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Stop spreading this urban legend again and again. 🤦♂ The Saturn wasn't designed first for 2D Even 2D games were a mess to develop with the first dev kit. Very simple 2D Games like suiko Enbu fuunsaïki had TERRIBLE frame drop with the first dev kit. SEGA Saturn was a 2D powerhouse AND a 3D powerhouse but was a mess to develop on. It's the only 32bit console that had 60 FPS 3D textured game in HIGH RESOLUTION..! 😱 We were only in 1995..! Playstation never magaged to do so EVEN in 1998/1999 with their new Andromada Kit..! Just imagine what they've could achieve if they didn't abandon the system so early... (Sorry for my English)
For me it was great and had the best joypad ever. I used to play streetfighter and fighting titles in general a lot, so the 6 buttons layout was just the best. And still up to this day it's my favourite joypad. And Daytona USA...damn when I played that in the arcades it was such a new experience and then on the Saturn it was too for me.
Everyone in highschool had Playstation and talked trash on Saturn, UNTIL they came to my house... I had almost everything... We'd play Decathlete/ Winter Heat, Radiant Silvergun, The Street Fighter vs. Games, The Panzer Dragoons, Guardia Heros, and so many others... Only problem, was when they wanted to get some, the Games were almost immediately difficult to buy... Still play them to this day with my kids...
The Saturn being able to play arcade perfect ports of X-Men vs Street Fighter, Marvel Superheros vs Street Fighter, Darkstalkers 3 etc to me was sorcery and truly next gen experience at the time.
I loved the Saturn. My brother had one, while I owned a Nintendo 64 instead. It was an impressive piece of hardware. Too bad nobody liked writing games for it.
3:16 I was just watching an interview with a programmer; he said it wasn't that the Saturn was hard to program for, all new systems were hard to learn. What Playstation had was more documentation than the other systems, so it was easy to figure out how to work with it. 18:06 I have it; I should have got it free in "Ultra Game Players" magazine, but it wasn't there. But eventually got it about 20 years later off Ebay. Too bad I can't get P.T. Demo, that's why the future must remain physical. 25:02 I did a live stream of Deep Fear this October.
The Saturn actually rendered games using quadrilaterals instead of triangles as other 3D systems did. This contributed to the difficulty of making games because most 3D modeling programs used triangles. As far as I know this is still the case today as "quads" never caught on.
Had tons of fun with the Sega Saturn back as a kid! Daytona USA, Daytona USA: Championship Circuit Edition, Virtua Cop, Virtua Cop 2, Tomb Raider, Last Bronx, Nights into Dreams, Sega Rally Championship, Manx TT Superbike, FIghting Vipers, Destruction Derby.. and many more! Bought a lot of used games on the cheap so had a pretty good set of games for it😁
Saturn was a good console. But it's a great console now. The Saturn and DC analogue sticks are drift proof because they use magnets to detect movement - so they don't wear out.
The Sega Saturn was the best fifth generation home video game console because the Sega Saturn was compatible with the Action Replay Plus RAM cartridge which allowed all Sega Saturn models to play imported USA, PAL region and Japanese Sega Saturn games such as the Japan-released only titles like X-Men vs. Street Fighter, Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter, etc.. Plus, the Saturn was backwards-compatible with music CDs.
Saturn was basically arcade hardware shoehorned into a console. And yes it was meant to do 2D AND 3D. Back when 486 PCs' were trying to brute force 10,000 flat shaded polygons Saturn/ST-V were pushing 200K texture mapped, gourad shaded polys at great frame rates and having a 2nd GPU just for backgrounds/ playfields was the icing on the cake. Some ports suffered but games built from the ground up on it and developed by experienced programmers were magical.
I love the Saturn so much, it's right there with the SNES as my favorite system, still to this day I use a Saturn pad for all of my 6 button fighting games. And so many of my favorite games live right here on this system. Dragon Force may just be my favorite games of all time, Sega Rally on Sat is easily my favorite arcade racer of all time and Street Fighter Alpha 2 Gold from the SF Collection on Sat is my favorite fighting game. The library may not have been as strong as the PS1's in NA, but the gems on the Saturn shine so bright.
The Saturn is the real beast of all Sega’s consoles, 1107 games, more consoles variants than any other, best controller, best tactical rpg…. Ok I guess it is only my point of view 😅
To this day, I honestly believe that the Saturn might be the most underrated system of all time, and it's an absolute crime the way Bernie Stolar treated it. I'm glad to see it's now getting the love it deserves. I always wanted to get another Saturn console but the price range kept it out of my hands. Thankfully I'm able to relive the Saturn again via emulation on my Steam Deck, which runs it near flawlessly. I know you mentioned Duke Nukem 3D, which was a very impressive feat, even for a talented studio like Lobotomy, but whoever thought they'd actually get QUAKE to run on the Saturn, let alone run it quite well! The claim that the Saturn can not do 3D is one of gaming's biggest lies, almost up there when they lie about how Xbox has no games.
I lived beside the factory that pressed the CD games for the Saturn. QC would throw out anything with the slightest blemish. My friends and I would go to the back of the factory each week and lift trashbags full of games out of the skip. Wed keep titles we didnt have and sell the rest to games shops as trade ins. Special times!
The Saturn and the Dreamcast are 2 consoles that i absolutely love. Its such a shame some of the coolest titles never left Japan. There are so many RPGs on both consoles never got localized for the west
I’m still buying games for the Saturn and my Saturn is still hooked up to a CRT ready to go. I love the shmups genre meaning I absolutely adore the Saturn’s shmup library.
The megadrive will always be my all time favourite console, i never had a saturn back in the day i switched to the ps1 but i got a saturn last year and love it ❤️
I had a sega saturn the year before they came out and wow - ill never forget how ahead of its time it was. Blows my mind this wasn't bigger than playstation.
As a kid, I remember playing many exclusives, and actually played more 16-bit Sonic games on the Saturn than I did with the Mega Drive. The only thing they should have done is to add all Master System, the Game Gear exclusive Triple Trouble and Sonic CD to be the complete package, the museum in Sonic 3D World shows a lot of material from all Sonic versions and I somehow expected the 8-bit and CD games could be unlocked somehow, as this compilation isn't emulation, but a proper and enhanced port, like many console/arcade/computer-to console games tended to be, emulation was basically non-existent, which often meant good quality ports. Things like the dreaded Sega Smash Pack on the Dreamcast and many other 6th ports are emulated. Even back then I found Die Hard Trilogy clunky, with weird visuals, but I had so much fun playing the first and third games, Pandemonium, Croc, Sonic R, KOF96/97, Xmen vs SF, Marvel vs SF, Shining Force 3 trilogy, Alien Trilogy, Hexen, Duke 3D, The Holy Ark, Mystaria, Dragon Force, Die Hard Arcade, Virtua Cop 2, Tomb Raider, Grandia, Resident Evil, Myst, Riven and this is to name a few, it was the best time for me and my brothers, and also the best console to choose as we were totally into arcades, you could have it all with this console.
Wrong.... the Saturn was built to be a 3-D machine right out the box. Sega built the Saturn based on their own experience of using multiple chips to make quality games. Third-party developers were not capable of developing games for a complex multichip architecture vs. the simple design of the PSX.
Great commentary video, i love my saturn, but i hated how it got treated here in the states, i was the only one out of my friends with a saturn, thumbs up for mentioning wing arms!
I don’t think people view the Saturn the way you’re describing anymore. We Saturn fans have gone out and showed people the great exclusives on Saturn and people understand the value of the Saturn Library.
It really is one of the greatest console of all time, bar none, no question. Effing' phenomenal system... Can't wait until the homebrew community gets really good at coding for it...
If you have the money you should check out the Japanese ones on eBay I bought one last year and it didn't have a scratch on it and the disk drive runs perfectly not to mention the games are cheap as hell.
Great video! What's amazing about the Saturn is just how many games there are for it -- as you mention prob 50+ high quality shooters and tons of arcade perfect ports; Space Harrier, Out Run, Afterburner, All the SF2/Alpha variations, Ghouls N Ghost/Ghosts n Goblins to name a few. The 3D does let it down a bit, but the top tier 3D games hold up and the 2D library is incredible.
Wait a minute Sega Saturn has more power under the hood than Sony Playstation 1 and I even knew it back then there is a lot more chips in that system that has not even been tapped yet with programming. And it doesn't make sense to say that SEGA went the 2D way at first knowing damn good well Panasonic 3DO was doing the 3D games in 1993. Basically every 32-bit system was designed with 3D in mind as if 3DO started at all.
Some devs had to use half its performance, maybe even less, many games, such as Sim City 2000 uses only one CPU. The PS1 has many slick advantages, yes, it's a great machine, but if properly designed, from the ground up, the Saturn could reproduce games that any other hardware at the time would have a really hard time to duplicate.
unfortunately none of the 90's consoles lived and had games to see the full potential of them ecept of course the playstation..imagine if playstation never existed and you had the chance to see great games from the sega saturn,atari jaguar,3do,amiga cd32 etc cause all these consoles had the power do do a lot more than what we saw,,or imagine to see other style of games than fighting games and shootemups from the ultimate neo geo..
Although the PS1 won this war, I had to own a Saturn due to my love of beat em ups, it was superior and it hit that itch that I wanted for near perfect arcade ports. As mentioned, guardian heroes..... An all time great. It's a shame that sega of America and Japan couldn't agree with how the later days of the genesis should have been handled and muddied the waters with too many add ons, this would have early on left newbies unsure as to what was an actual next gen console. Plus I read everywhere Saturn programming was rough compared to PS1 simplified hardware.
Yeah I wasn’t a newbie but I wanted a Sega CD when it came out but I couldn’t afford it and held out for the 32X. That tanked pretty fast and being fed up with Sega’s add-on nonsense I got a PlayStation. Around ’97 I did snag a used Saturn for mostly the excellent shooters and fighters available in Japan. It is now one of my favorite consoles of all time!
A lot of people talk about how overengineered the hardware was, but the Saturn had a second problem that made porting games over to it a pain: Quad polygons. Everyone else was using triangles, so models had to be heavily modified for the Saturn ports of games like Resident Evil, which is why they look so different.
People say arcade conversions were not good. If Sega in that time released a full on arcade system for the home with exact games it would have been a dream. Imagine Daytona USA the same as the arcade but on your TV at home.
@@Hahnsoulo I think Sega should have followed a similar technique of Sony in terms of similar game titles released that made the PlayStation successful.
Unfortunately, in the west the Saturn is viewed much more favorably as a retro console that it ever was as a current console back then. Back then people were blown away by the 3D graphics coming from the PS1 and N64. In retrospect, the 32-bit 2D games have aged better than the early 3D games did. So 2D PS1 games like Symphony of the Night are some of the best looking games on that system in retrospect. This also means that since the Saturn is a 2D powerhouse it is looked at much more favorably now than it was at the time, because 32-bit 2D graphics are viewed very favorably now.
There's a rumor that the Saturn was designed as 2D system and then scrambled to add a second chip for 3D at the last minute. This is just incorrect. The Saturn was actually designed off of their arcade architecture, which a multi-chip design. It was designed with 3D in mind. If you look at the interviews and magazine articles prior to the Japanese release of the Saturn, you can find showcases of its 3D capabilities - well before the PS1 was even announced. The Japanese Saturn 's launch titles were 3D games. The Japanese Saturn launched 6 months prior to E3.
After the marketing machine settles and people forget the hype, these machines have to stand on their own merit. Which explains why peeps tend to only appreciate these machines years after they fail.
I ❤️ the Saturn. It was not as much of a love back in the 90s. The PS was king then. But decades later my fondness grew for this system (and the N64) immensely. I just wish it was so with everyone else, because I cant afford games anymore! Why the hell did I ever get rid of my old game collection...?
Its the same problem when any of us gets rid of an old system, games, trading cards, toys and all that stuff. We never think to put it back in the box and hang onto it.
@@jasonleveck8546 that's the truth. I think everything i ever had while growing up, I've repurchased the past 10 years, at exorbitant prices! I really am gullible...
I was one of the few people who bought a Sega Saturn instead of a Playstation. I got mine at Toys R Us. I have the original Panzer Dragoon, the one in the middle of the screen at 7:28 I also bought a spaceship flying game that was kind of "on rails" with multiple corridors you could go down and some of them were dead ends. I can't remember the name of it, but I do remember that it had real actors in the little com-screen that would pop up when your teammates or enemies would talk to you during the missions. I remember one particular mission where you had to chase down an enemy but his ship was much faster than the player ship. I also have a football game, can't remember the name of that one either, it's not Madden but it's really good. Btw I really enjoy how genuine you seem, it somehow comes across in the video. This is the first time I've come across the channel so I'm just subbing now.
The Saturn's problem wasn't the hardware. The Saturn's problem was Sega. Their strategy was confusing, and they showed with the 32x they would drop it immediately, if they wanted to. Which they did. Then of course you have the Playstation, whose marketing made it the 'cooler' product, and so many flocked to that.
The Saturn was a 2d and a 3D beast. It had more raw power than the Playstation and even could do better textures. What the Saturn could never deliver better than the Playstation was the transparency effects in 3d games not the 3d itself. Look at Virtua Fighter 3, a perfect example of the console´s 3d capabilities when a game is written properly by in-house programers.
Of course could, but it was not worth the effort and hassle. Just take a look at Astal and Guardian Heroes. Also many effects took advantage of composite video, in RGB looks really nasty. Tricks of the era
@@orkoto6057 could never understand how those two games got the transparency to work right but every other game didn't. Even all the first party games. Really crappy
It's a cope that it was a '3D beast'. VDP1 couldn't draw nearly enough polygons (what are really 2D sprites distorted into quads) fast enough to match the PS1's GTE for instance. If your game could use VDP2 to draw the floor (which has to be flat, btw, somewhat limiting potential game design), freeing up resources on VDP1, then yeah you could pull off some impressive 3D visuals &/or performance.
Happy Thanksgiving and Merry Christmas! The retro algorithm has bestowed this video in RUclips for me to watch and I'm glad I pushed play. I dabbled in the Saturn by means of renting the system for a weekend at a Blockbuster in the mid 90s and my cousins owned one as well. I always appreciate videos that dig in deep on the Sega Saturn. Would love to see a Saturn mini be made for retrophiles like myself. Great video, following. Enjoy the rest of your weekend!
I love my sd modded Saturn and dreamcast. I remember getting my first Saturn for Christmas. It didn’t come with the right hookups for tv and I threw a major fit. Luckily my parents took me to get the proper hookups and all was well. Not sure if mine was just missing or what but it’s a memory I’ll never forget.
Which mod do you have? I've got a Fenrir Duo ODE for my Saturn. My DC isn't modded (yet). It's an awesome thing to have. I'm going through all the back issues of Sega Saturn Magazine I've recently downloaded in PDF, and it's really great revisiting such a great time in my gaming life. I've also ordered an HD upscaler for January, so I'm massively looking forward to that. I've been going crazy on the retro this past year, got an N64, PS1 and SNES too. The Saturn is my fave, however.
@@Nightopian1982 mine is Fenrir but not sure which series. I buy my consoles rtg. I can load everdrives and sd cards but prefer to have them already modded. Very convenient and imo best way to do it, especially someone just starting out with collecting. Playing on original hardware and have all the games available is awesome. I’m selling most of my physical. Saddens me and I hate to say it but Everdrives are the future for retro gaming.
@@stevenewsome5306 yeah I'm getting an Everdrive for my SNES and N64. I had to install my Fenrir myself, but it wasn't a problem. The ability to play on the original hardware is, as you said, by far the best way. Emulators are all well and good for those who haven't got the money to pay for consoles, but I found it very difficult to get any running on my laptop. There were all sorts of compatibility issues, so I just gave up in the end. Discovering the Fenrir was just fantastic.
I grew up during the '90s a.k.a. the Platinum Age of gaming. The Saturn was one of those consoles that I always wanted but never had when it was new. Didn't score mine until five years ago, when I got lucky and found a working unit at a flea market along with a few games: Virtua Fighter Remix, Virtua Fighter 2, and Daytona USA. Among the games I do want to find for it: Sonic Jam, Fighters Megamix, Dragon Force, the 2D Capcom games (even though I have Street Fighter Alpha 1 and 3 on PS1 already), Magic Knight Rayearth, and the various shmups on it. I can't help but feel cheated out of those experiences because I had a PS1 and N64 back then. To all the fanboys, fangirls, and everybody in between and beyond who bitch and moan about the Saturn: Can't we all agree that the Saturn, PS1, and N64 all had great games? That's all that matters! Let people enjoy things! As long as you're having fun, that's the most important thing that matters!
As did I. I was shocked to see it in stores early and as a huge VF fan I had to get it. Fast forward several months and you would need to scrape my jaw off the floor after seeing VF2 run.
I've had my Saturn for 20 years or so, Still play it all the time. Sataurn and Neo Geo CDZ are my gotos these days. I love the games and am sick of having to install games on the new consoles. I just want to put a disc in and play.
@@andriodman1 Radiant Silvergun, Shinrei Jusatushi Taroumaru, Elevator Action Returns, Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter, Street Fighter Collection, Magic Knight Rayearth....I could name more, so many good games
Loving those sweet, sweet Saturn money shots! I'm probably the only one to say this, but I LOVED playing with the pitch modulation in the cd player and watching those cubes pulse to the rhythm of the music.
Some of my faverite games I still play on my PAL Saturn are, Nights, Warcraft 2, Duke Nuk'em, Command and Conquer, Quake, Resident Evil, Amok, Tomb Raider. I didnt have a PC at the time but I was able to finnish all these games on my good old Saturn. Love the analogue 3D controller :)
It's my favorite Sega console also. I was very late to the Japanese side of things but I am really enjoying picking up new games for it. I also purchased my first Japanese Saturn console a couple weeks ago. I'm in love all over again. Can't stop spending money lol aaahhhhhhh! Cool vid SEGA!!!
Great video pal. I've recently got my Saturn modded with a Fenrir Duo ODE, and I'm so glad I did! Being able to play Panzer Dragoon Saga, Radiant Silvergun, Shining Force 3, X-Men vs Street Fighter, Metal Slug, Dead or Alive, King of Fighters 95/96 to name just a few, without having to spend hundreds, nay, thousands of pounds for the privilege is truly wonderful. I owned my original Saturn way back in 1996, and whilst many friends thought it rubbish next to the PS1 and N64 (because they all believed the massive media bias that existed back then), I personally never felt as much love for a console as this. I also still own a PS1, N64 and Dreamcast, and frankly, I've always enjoyed this era of gaming far more than modern machines. Gameplay is key, as opposed to the obsession with photo-realistic visuals. Was the Saturn a failure? No doubt yes, next to the PS1 in terms of sales, but there seems to have been a recent resurgence in the retro market for this truly wonderful console. The number of emulators, mods, and various geekery sites are great, and I heartily recommend that anyone who never gave the Saturn a chance back in the day, or modern day gamers who were too young to remember it, take advantage of the marvellous variety of options to play such gems of gaming history. I would, however, recommend getting hold of the console, modded or otherwise, together with the 3D controller, rather than an emulator. It's a far better experience overall. Unless you're a collector, though, I'd suggest a mod, as some of the top titles will set you back upwards of £100-800! There's a couple of HDMI converter cables available nowadays, so there's no real issues with playing on modern TVs!
We bought ours shortly after the Saturn was released early to the public in '95. Having played Daytona USA in the arcades, the Saturn port looked dreadful and it immediately gave me a bad vibe about the console. After the initial game library that we picked up, we picked up NHL Powerplay '96 as our last game for the system and it collected dust for many many many years. Fast forward to about 2019 when I decided to get a Pro Action replay and try out some of the Japanese games that I would burn to disc. And holy shit... The Saturn went from something I didn't care about at all, to a console in my top 5 now. It blows the N64 away imo. The library of arcade games and 2 gaming is incredible. It is such an underrated console, I'm so happy that it's getting it's due 27 years after it's launch. Hail Sega Saturn. :)
@@gedrooney9305 I’ll be honest they are crap. I was listening to their first two albums yesterday. I just prefer bands like Soundgarden if I wasn’t my 90s grunge fix. They sound more heavier and metal.
@@outerspaceman7534 Im a Soundgarden/ Stone Temple fan, I never bothered buying another PJ album after Vitalogy as a kid. Moved onto Beefheart and down that rabbit hole..I’m a 43yr old rock climber now..Grunge energy keeps me pulling hard on rock instead of smashing shins on my board..
The Saturn deserved better, especially outside of Japan. Imagine if we would have gotten games like Sonic Xtreme and Shenmue on the system, that would have been insane!
Ppl don't support these systems when they're out but always like it after its gone The sega Saturn The sega Dreamcast The Nintendo GameCube I think it's bcuz ppl love an underdog
@@maroon9273 the 68000k was not the main cpu, it was just a cpu to do little stuff here and there like reading input from the controller. The CPU TOM and the GPU Jerry were real 32bits. Motorolla were never Risc CPU and Risc is always faster than cisc.
It pretty much is true that it was always intended to be 3D. That was confirmed by Hideki Sato who is the person who designed the hardware. There's a lot of rumors about Saturn's design but what we know from the Hideki Sato interviews is this: Originally Saturn was going to be 1 SH2 and the SCU DSP to help with 3D math calculations. VDP2 and VDP1 seem to have always been there in some form, along with the SCSP and 68K to drive it. Around late 1993 Sega felt they weren't getting the performance they wanted out of the single SH2 + DSP set up and asked Hitachi if they could increase the clock speed. Hitachi wasn't able to do this but instead said they could use 2 SH-2s in a master slave configuration. Sega tried this and it helped their performance issues and that's what they went with. So the fabled last second change was adding the 2nd SH2. It seems at this point any further development on the custom DSP in the SCU stopped which could explain why that chip is a bit of a buggy mess. With the 2nd SH2 a lot of the the original intent for the DSP goes away because anything the DSP can do, the 2nd SH2 can do just as fast if not better. But at this point it would cost more to get rid of the DSP than to keep it due to redesign costs so they kept it for helping in cases where CPU resources are the bottleneck. By about late 1993 the Saturn's overall design was becoming finalized with any other changes being things like adding additional features like High Speed Shrink to VDP1 and what not. So basically 3D was always intended to be there, it's why they went with the SH2 and why the DSP was originally there in the SCU. And it's why they added another SH2 to make the 3D performance better.
@@SegaFanatic5188 - You’re correct, and remember at the time of the console’s development, Daytona USA and Virtua Fighter were all the rage. They had plans to bring those games to the console and needed to design the hardware to run them.
@@SegaFanatic5188 Personally, Dual SH2 and warped sprites is a bad idea for the saturn. A better performing single SH3, MIPS, NEC, Arm and power pc cpus would've made the saturn performance more efficient reduce the programming difficulties.
@@maroon9273 The SH2s are fine. They're the least controversial part of the Saturn and are very good and powerful CPUs for the time. When it comes to things like Multiplication and Division the SH2s significantly outperform the MIPS CPU in the PS1. The real reason the PS1 pulls ahead is that it's GPU has a significantly higher fillrate than Saturn's VDP1, and the GTE Coprocessor just edges out the SH2 for 3D Math performance because it's a custom chip with Hardware implementations of 3D Math functions. It's not the use of Quads/Distorted Sprites that's a problem either. It's simply the lack of Texture Coordinates, and that VDP1 is slower than the competition. That said, it's not nearly as poor as people try to claim either. Finally, bringing up the SH3 is just plain silly because without the Saturn using the SH2, there is no SH2 (so no 32X either). Without the SH2, there is no SH3.
My beat time on video games. And I had them all at one time. But the Saturn was awesome. Luckily I had access to the world wide market. I got more Japanese games than EU ones.❤
DragonForce is my all-time favourite game for the Sega Saturn. Back then I did not speak English and didn't understand anything but I still had a lot of fun playing it. Even I never managed to beat the game, for obvious reasons 🤣 -Tian
I absolutely loved my Sega Saturn. I bought it when it first came out and spent many hours playing it with my brother and some friends. I had well over 30 games in my library which were all completely awesome and imop hands down way better than anything the PlayStation had to offer. Sadly I made the dumbass decision to give it away when I was moving to some friend of my then girlfriend. A totally stupid decision because I miss the games and basically everything about that system. Awesome video and great content. Thanks so much for bringing us this.
I noticed that the video seems to be hitching or glitching or... itching? something... anyway yeah so every once in a while it locks up for a split second here and there. This is not something that is happening on my original video file so I guess this is a youtube issue. I dont know. My apologies about that. I dont know if I can do anything to fix it.
Stop spreading this urban legend again and again. 🤦♂ The Saturn wasn't designed first for 2D
Even 2D games were a mess to develop with the first dev kit.
Very simple 2D Games like suiko Enbu fuunsaïki had TERRIBLE frame drop with the first dev kit.
SEGA Saturn was a 2D powerhouse AND a 3D powerhouse but was a mess to develop on.
It's the only 32bit console that had 60 FPS 3D textured game in HIGH RESOLUTION..! 😱 We were only in 1995..! Playstation never magaged to do so EVEN in 1998/1999 with their new Andromada Kit..!
Just imagine what they've could achieve if they didn't abandon the system so early...
(Sorry for my English)
Hitch, glitch and itch all rhyme.
Apparently, this is a myth that Saturn was always intended to be a 3-D machine.
100% correct man. Launch titles were 3D games, goes to show you the system had 3D in mind from the get go
For me it was great and had the best joypad ever. I used to play streetfighter and fighting titles in general a lot, so the 6 buttons layout was just the best. And still up to this day it's my favourite joypad. And Daytona USA...damn when I played that in the arcades it was such a new experience and then on the Saturn it was too for me.
Everyone in highschool had Playstation and talked trash on Saturn, UNTIL they came to my house... I had almost everything... We'd play Decathlete/ Winter Heat, Radiant Silvergun, The Street Fighter vs. Games, The Panzer Dragoons, Guardia Heros, and so many others... Only problem, was when they wanted to get some, the Games were almost immediately difficult to buy... Still play them to this day with my kids...
Of course it is out of this world, it's a SATURN! 😁
The Saturn being able to play arcade perfect ports of X-Men vs Street Fighter, Marvel Superheros vs Street Fighter, Darkstalkers 3 etc to me was sorcery and truly next gen experience at the time.
Alpha 1-3 too
@@macuser7048 Alpha 3 on Saturn is peak Saturn. Still considered the best port by many. Peak price too though.
@@macuser7048 Yes EVERYTHING by Capcom, SNK even Sunsoft ( the ones who made Astra superstars) and Sega themselves Nights, Astal Panzer Dragoon etc
@@aegisreflector1239 Speaking of Sunsoft, Waku Waku 7 is on PS4 and XBOX One
@@davy_K Yeah it's gotten crazy now. lol The other Marvel games and Street Fighter games aren't as high in price now though.
Long live the saturn ❤ thank you for sharing 🙏🏾
So many great memories of the saturn. Sega rally, virtua fighter 2, fighters mega mix, the panza series, athlete Kings and so many more great games.
I loved the Saturn. My brother had one, while I owned a Nintendo 64 instead. It was an impressive piece of hardware. Too bad nobody liked writing games for it.
3:16 I was just watching an interview with a programmer; he said it wasn't that the Saturn was hard to program for, all new systems were hard to learn. What Playstation had was more documentation than the other systems, so it was easy to figure out how to work with it.
18:06 I have it; I should have got it free in "Ultra Game Players" magazine, but it wasn't there. But eventually got it about 20 years later off Ebay. Too bad I can't get P.T. Demo, that's why the future must remain physical.
25:02 I did a live stream of Deep Fear this October.
The Saturn actually rendered games using quadrilaterals instead of triangles as other 3D systems did. This contributed to the difficulty of making games because most 3D modeling programs used triangles. As far as I know this is still the case today as "quads" never caught on.
I wonder who came up with the idea of using quads for the Saturn --- that was a big mistake.
Had tons of fun with the Sega Saturn back as a kid!
Daytona USA, Daytona USA: Championship Circuit Edition, Virtua Cop, Virtua Cop 2, Tomb Raider, Last Bronx, Nights into Dreams, Sega Rally Championship, Manx TT Superbike, FIghting Vipers, Destruction Derby.. and many more! Bought a lot of used games on the cheap so had a pretty good set of games for it😁
Saturn was a good console. But it's a great console now. The Saturn and DC analogue sticks are drift proof because they use magnets to detect movement - so they don't wear out.
The Sega Saturn was the best fifth generation home video game console because the Sega Saturn was compatible with the Action Replay Plus RAM cartridge which allowed all Sega Saturn models to play imported USA, PAL region and Japanese Sega Saturn games such as the Japan-released only titles like X-Men vs. Street Fighter, Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter, etc.. Plus, the Saturn was backwards-compatible with music CDs.
thats why it was the best? lololol
@@TrevorFosterTheFosterDojo I'm not sure... Maybe some forgot that the PS1 played music CD's as well?
@@23GreyFox ps1 dominated the Saturn these morons
@@TrevorFosterTheFosterDojo Saturn? Shit N64 too! I had no faith in PlayStation and BOY…did I bet wrong!🤦🏻♂️🤣
SEGA is the best video game company that ever existed
Saturn was basically arcade hardware shoehorned into a console. And yes it was meant to do 2D AND 3D. Back when 486 PCs' were trying to brute force 10,000 flat shaded polygons Saturn/ST-V were pushing 200K texture mapped, gourad shaded polys at great frame rates and having a 2nd GPU just for backgrounds/ playfields was the icing on the cake. Some ports suffered but games built from the ground up on it and developed by experienced programmers were magical.
I cant believe that the guys behind the Virtua series, truly thought that the Saturn should have a 2D emphasis.
I love the Saturn so much, it's right there with the SNES as my favorite system, still to this day I use a Saturn pad for all of my 6 button fighting games.
And so many of my favorite games live right here on this system.
Dragon Force may just be my favorite games of all time, Sega Rally on Sat is easily my favorite arcade racer of all time and Street Fighter Alpha 2 Gold from the SF Collection on Sat is my favorite fighting game.
The library may not have been as strong as the PS1's in NA, but the gems on the Saturn shine so bright.
The Saturn is the real beast of all Sega’s consoles, 1107 games, more consoles variants than any other, best controller, best tactical rpg….
Ok I guess it is only my point of view 😅
To this day, I honestly believe that the Saturn might be the most underrated system of all time, and it's an absolute crime the way Bernie Stolar treated it. I'm glad to see it's now getting the love it deserves. I always wanted to get another Saturn console but the price range kept it out of my hands. Thankfully I'm able to relive the Saturn again via emulation on my Steam Deck, which runs it near flawlessly.
I know you mentioned Duke Nukem 3D, which was a very impressive feat, even for a talented studio like Lobotomy, but whoever thought they'd actually get QUAKE to run on the Saturn, let alone run it quite well! The claim that the Saturn can not do 3D is one of gaming's biggest lies, almost up there when they lie about how Xbox has no games.
I lived beside the factory that pressed the CD games for the Saturn. QC would throw out anything with the slightest blemish. My friends and I would go to the back of the factory each week and lift trashbags full of games out of the skip. Wed keep titles we didnt have and sell the rest to games shops as trade ins. Special times!
That’s the craziest thing I’ve heard! What a lucky location
Sega as a whole company was ahead of it times point blank!
The Saturn and the Dreamcast are 2 consoles that i absolutely love. Its such a shame some of the coolest titles never left Japan. There are so many RPGs on both consoles never got localized for the west
I’m still buying games for the Saturn and my Saturn is still hooked up to a CRT ready to go. I love the shmups genre meaning I absolutely adore the Saturn’s shmup library.
The megadrive will always be my all time favourite console, i never had a saturn back in the day i switched to the ps1 but i got a saturn last year and love it ❤️
Those pixels look super crisp... I'm guessing it looked smoother on the CRT screens people had back then
I had a sega saturn the year before they came out and wow - ill never forget how ahead of its time it was. Blows my mind this wasn't bigger than playstation.
As a kid, I remember playing many exclusives, and actually played more 16-bit Sonic games on the Saturn than I did with the Mega Drive. The only thing they should have done is to add all Master System, the Game Gear exclusive Triple Trouble and Sonic CD to be the complete package, the museum in Sonic 3D World shows a lot of material from all Sonic versions and I somehow expected the 8-bit and CD games could be unlocked somehow, as this compilation isn't emulation, but a proper and enhanced port, like many console/arcade/computer-to console games tended to be, emulation was basically non-existent, which often meant good quality ports. Things like the dreaded Sega Smash Pack on the Dreamcast and many other 6th ports are emulated.
Even back then I found Die Hard Trilogy clunky, with weird visuals, but I had so much fun playing the first and third games, Pandemonium, Croc, Sonic R, KOF96/97, Xmen vs SF, Marvel vs SF, Shining Force 3 trilogy, Alien Trilogy, Hexen, Duke 3D, The Holy Ark, Mystaria, Dragon Force, Die Hard Arcade, Virtua Cop 2, Tomb Raider, Grandia, Resident Evil, Myst, Riven and this is to name a few, it was the best time for me and my brothers, and also the best console to choose as we were totally into arcades, you could have it all with this console.
its kinda sad, but i'm glad finally we can all appreciate how amazing this generation of gaming really was
Normal since saturday means Saturn day.
Wrong.... the Saturn was built to be a 3-D machine right out the box. Sega built the Saturn based on their own experience of using multiple chips to make quality games.
Third-party developers were not capable of developing games for a complex multichip architecture vs. the simple design of the PSX.
Such a beautiful gaming system! I ♥ the SEGA Saturn!
As a huge SEGA fan i really like your videos. Keep up the good work!
I just installed a Fenrir in my Saturn, best decision ever! Now I want to mod all of my pre Wii era disc based consoles with ODE's!
Great commentary video, i love my saturn, but i hated how it got treated here in the states, i was the only one out of my friends with a saturn, thumbs up for mentioning wing arms!
I was the only kid in northern Canada with a Saturn. World series baseball was my happy place
@@mrfake675 my happy place was panzer 1-2, sega rally and gun griffin.
I don’t think people view the Saturn the way you’re describing anymore. We Saturn fans have gone out and showed people the great exclusives on Saturn and people understand the value of the Saturn Library.
I still have my original and still works in 2022
It really is one of the greatest console of all time, bar none, no question. Effing' phenomenal system... Can't wait until the homebrew community gets really good at coding for it...
Imo it’s THE best. Saturn, MegaCD, & GameCube are the GOATs
@@marcbasil why the gamecube?
Man, I wish I had gotten a Saturn back then!
If you have the money you should check out the Japanese ones on eBay I bought one last year and it didn't have a scratch on it and the disk drive runs perfectly not to mention the games are cheap as hell.
Love the Saturn. Panzer Dragoon Saga is my favorite RPG of all time
Sega Saturn was awesome.. thx for this video!
Great video! What's amazing about the Saturn is just how many games there are for it -- as you mention prob 50+ high quality shooters and tons of arcade perfect ports; Space Harrier, Out Run, Afterburner, All the SF2/Alpha variations, Ghouls N Ghost/Ghosts n Goblins to name a few.
The 3D does let it down a bit, but the top tier 3D games hold up and the 2D library is incredible.
Wait a minute Sega Saturn has more power under the hood than Sony Playstation 1 and I even knew it back then there is a lot more chips in that system that has not even been tapped yet with programming. And it doesn't make sense to say that SEGA went the 2D way at first knowing damn good well Panasonic 3DO was doing the 3D games in 1993. Basically every 32-bit system was designed with 3D in mind as if 3DO started at all.
Some devs had to use half its performance, maybe even less, many games, such as Sim City 2000 uses only one CPU. The PS1 has many slick advantages, yes, it's a great machine, but if properly designed, from the ground up, the Saturn could reproduce games that any other hardware at the time would have a really hard time to duplicate.
Who remembers Guardian Heroes? They re released it in X360 with ONLINE PLAY!! And outside of arcade 1up, Saturn had the best release of Xmen vs SF
unfortunately none of the 90's consoles lived and had games to see the full potential of them ecept of course the playstation..imagine if playstation never existed and you had the chance to see great games from the sega saturn,atari jaguar,3do,amiga cd32 etc cause all these consoles had the power do do a lot more than what we saw,,or imagine to see other style of games than fighting games and shootemups from the ultimate neo geo..
Although the PS1 won this war, I had to own a Saturn due to my love of beat em ups, it was superior and it hit that itch that I wanted for near perfect arcade ports. As mentioned, guardian heroes..... An all time great. It's a shame that sega of America and Japan couldn't agree with how the later days of the genesis should have been handled and muddied the waters with too many add ons, this would have early on left newbies unsure as to what was an actual next gen console. Plus I read everywhere Saturn programming was rough compared to PS1 simplified hardware.
Yeah I wasn’t a newbie but I wanted a Sega CD when it came out but I couldn’t afford it and held out for the 32X. That tanked pretty fast and being fed up with Sega’s add-on nonsense I got a PlayStation. Around ’97 I did snag a used Saturn for mostly the excellent shooters and fighters available in Japan. It is now one of my favorite consoles of all time!
A lot of people talk about how overengineered the hardware was, but the Saturn had a second problem that made porting games over to it a pain: Quad polygons. Everyone else was using triangles, so models had to be heavily modified for the Saturn ports of games like Resident Evil, which is why they look so different.
I have a Japanese Saturn and Christmas Nights. Will definitely play it this Christmas!
I love the Saturn ... My fav ever. I still have all of my games with receipts! :)
People say arcade conversions were not good. If Sega in that time released a full on arcade system for the home with exact games it would have been a dream. Imagine Daytona USA the same as the arcade but on your TV at home.
That would have been much more expensive than the Sega Saturn, sadly.
They kind of did do this, but later. The Dreamcast. It had a whole bunch of arcade perfect ports.
@@Hahnsoulo I think Sega should have followed a similar technique of Sony in terms of similar game titles released that made the PlayStation successful.
Unfortunately, in the west the Saturn is viewed much more favorably as a retro console that it ever was as a current console back then. Back then people were blown away by the 3D graphics coming from the PS1 and N64. In retrospect, the 32-bit 2D games have aged better than the early 3D games did. So 2D PS1 games like Symphony of the Night are some of the best looking games on that system in retrospect. This also means that since the Saturn is a 2D powerhouse it is looked at much more favorably now than it was at the time, because 32-bit 2D graphics are viewed very favorably now.
Awesome system. Legend of Oasis, Dark Savior, Astal, Guardian Heroes, Sega Rally….. there were amazing games on this thing.
There's a rumor that the Saturn was designed as 2D system and then scrambled to add a second chip for 3D at the last minute. This is just incorrect. The Saturn was actually designed off of their arcade architecture, which a multi-chip design. It was designed with 3D in mind. If you look at the interviews and magazine articles prior to the Japanese release of the Saturn, you can find showcases of its 3D capabilities - well before the PS1 was even announced. The Japanese Saturn 's launch titles were 3D games. The Japanese Saturn launched 6 months prior to E3.
Sega six button for street fighter 2 is perfection.
There is definitely something special about that system
I NEVER see "Firestorm: Thunderhawk/Thunderstrike 2" in these videos. VERY underated game if you like flight simulators!
After the marketing machine settles and people forget the hype, these machines have to stand on their own merit. Which explains why peeps tend to only appreciate these machines years after they fail.
I do agree that the Sega Saturn is an underrated console
Man, I'll always love the Saturn.
Sad that console wise we are now down to two options. PS or Xbox.
Loved the days of the console wars.
I almost wish video games would have stayed 2D for a while longer. The 2D era was some of the best gaming in history
I ❤️ the Saturn. It was not as much of a love back in the 90s. The PS was king then. But decades later my fondness grew for this system (and the N64) immensely.
I just wish it was so with everyone else, because I cant afford games anymore! Why the hell did I ever get rid of my old game collection...?
Its the same problem when any of us gets rid of an old system, games, trading cards, toys and all that stuff. We never think to put it back in the box and hang onto it.
@@jasonleveck8546 that's the truth. I think everything i ever had while growing up, I've repurchased the past 10 years, at exorbitant prices! I really am gullible...
@@LukeDodge916 Yeah the older we get the more we love to replay the past.
I was one of the few people who bought a Sega Saturn instead of a Playstation. I got mine at Toys R Us. I have the original Panzer Dragoon, the one in the middle of the screen at 7:28 I also bought a spaceship flying game that was kind of "on rails" with multiple corridors you could go down and some of them were dead ends. I can't remember the name of it, but I do remember that it had real actors in the little com-screen that would pop up when your teammates or enemies would talk to you during the missions. I remember one particular mission where you had to chase down an enemy but his ship was much faster than the player ship. I also have a football game, can't remember the name of that one either, it's not Madden but it's really good. Btw I really enjoy how genuine you seem, it somehow comes across in the video. This is the first time I've come across the channel so I'm just subbing now.
Not a space ship game but this kind of sounds like Sewer Shark, from your description, or possibly Descent
I was hooked on Sewer Shark back in the day for some reason lol
The Saturn's problem wasn't the hardware. The Saturn's problem was Sega. Their strategy was confusing, and they showed with the 32x they would drop it immediately, if they wanted to. Which they did.
Then of course you have the Playstation, whose marketing made it the 'cooler' product, and so many flocked to that.
Sega was, many times, it's own worst enemy.
The Saturn was a 2d and a 3D beast. It had more raw power than the Playstation and even could do better textures. What the Saturn could never deliver better than the Playstation was the transparency effects in 3d games not the 3d itself. Look at Virtua Fighter 3, a perfect example of the console´s 3d capabilities when a game is written properly by in-house programers.
Of course could, but it was not worth the effort and hassle. Just take a look at Astal and Guardian Heroes. Also many effects took advantage of composite video, in RGB looks really nasty. Tricks of the era
@@orkoto6057 could never understand how those two games got the transparency to work right but every other game didn't. Even all the first party games. Really crappy
@@andriodman1 take a look at this channel its quite revealing
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It's a cope that it was a '3D beast'. VDP1 couldn't draw nearly enough polygons (what are really 2D sprites distorted into quads) fast enough to match the PS1's GTE for instance. If your game could use VDP2 to draw the floor (which has to be flat, btw, somewhat limiting potential game design), freeing up resources on VDP1, then yeah you could pull off some impressive 3D visuals &/or performance.
Saturn was horrible with lighting and used warped sprites/polygons.
Sega had the best 3D arcade games at the time.
"Hey lets focus on a next gen 2D console and not utilize our established IPs. Why am I losing?"
They were such a mess
Great video ! We still love segasaturn 😀
Happy Thanksgiving and Merry Christmas! The retro algorithm has bestowed this video in RUclips for me to watch and I'm glad I pushed play. I dabbled in the Saturn by means of renting the system for a weekend at a Blockbuster in the mid 90s and my cousins owned one as well. I always appreciate videos that dig in deep on the Sega Saturn. Would love to see a Saturn mini be made for retrophiles like myself. Great video, following. Enjoy the rest of your weekend!
I enjoyed this video. Thank you.
Hey Cyrus! Great to hear you still doing the game thing and here on one of my personal favorites, the Sega Saturn!! I subbed!
I love my sd modded Saturn and dreamcast. I remember getting my first Saturn for Christmas. It didn’t come with the right hookups for tv and I threw a major fit. Luckily my parents took me to get the proper hookups and all was well. Not sure if mine was just missing or what but it’s a memory I’ll never forget.
Which mod do you have? I've got a Fenrir Duo ODE for my Saturn. My DC isn't modded (yet). It's an awesome thing to have. I'm going through all the back issues of Sega Saturn Magazine I've recently downloaded in PDF, and it's really great revisiting such a great time in my gaming life.
I've also ordered an HD upscaler for January, so I'm massively looking forward to that. I've been going crazy on the retro this past year, got an N64, PS1 and SNES too. The Saturn is my fave, however.
@@Nightopian1982 mine is Fenrir but not sure which series. I buy my consoles rtg. I can load everdrives and sd cards but prefer to have them already modded. Very convenient and imo best way to do it, especially someone just starting out with collecting. Playing on original hardware and have all the games available is awesome. I’m selling most of my physical. Saddens me and I hate to say it but Everdrives are the future for retro gaming.
@@stevenewsome5306 yeah I'm getting an Everdrive for my SNES and N64. I had to install my Fenrir myself, but it wasn't a problem. The ability to play on the original hardware is, as you said, by far the best way. Emulators are all well and good for those who haven't got the money to pay for consoles, but I found it very difficult to get any running on my laptop. There were all sorts of compatibility issues, so I just gave up in the end. Discovering the Fenrir was just fantastic.
What a great video. I wish I kept my Saturn.. Watching this video brought back so many fond childhood memories. Glad I came across your channel!
This backup unlocked sounds awesome!!!! I have close to a hundred CDs I burned for Saturn during lockdown...I love the system
I grew up during the '90s a.k.a. the Platinum Age of gaming. The Saturn was one of those consoles that I always wanted but never had when it was new. Didn't score mine until five years ago, when I got lucky and found a working unit at a flea market along with a few games: Virtua Fighter Remix, Virtua Fighter 2, and Daytona USA. Among the games I do want to find for it: Sonic Jam, Fighters Megamix, Dragon Force, the 2D Capcom games (even though I have Street Fighter Alpha 1 and 3 on PS1 already), Magic Knight Rayearth, and the various shmups on it. I can't help but feel cheated out of those experiences because I had a PS1 and N64 back then.
To all the fanboys, fangirls, and everybody in between and beyond who bitch and moan about the Saturn: Can't we all agree that the Saturn, PS1, and N64 all had great games? That's all that matters! Let people enjoy things! As long as you're having fun, that's the most important thing that matters!
Bought my Saturn at launch and boy was it great
As did I. I was shocked to see it in stores early and as a huge VF fan I had to get it. Fast forward several months and you would need to scrape my jaw off the floor after seeing VF2 run.
Loving the Golden Axe theme at the start!!
I've had my Saturn for 20 years or so, Still play it all the time. Sataurn and Neo Geo CDZ are my gotos these days. I love the games and am sick of having to install games on the new consoles. I just want to put a disc in and play.
What games do you find yourself playing now a days on the Saturn? Just curious. Thanks
@@andriodman1 Radiant Silvergun, Shinrei Jusatushi Taroumaru, Elevator Action Returns, Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter, Street Fighter Collection, Magic Knight Rayearth....I could name more, so many good games
Loving those sweet, sweet Saturn money shots! I'm probably the only one to say this, but I LOVED playing with the pitch modulation in the cd player and watching those cubes pulse to the rhythm of the music.
I love the Saturn. The others jumped straight to 3d and it didn’t age well.
Virtua cop was a great game for Saturn
If not the best
Some of my faverite games I still play on my PAL Saturn are, Nights, Warcraft 2, Duke Nuk'em, Command and Conquer, Quake, Resident Evil, Amok, Tomb Raider. I didnt have a PC at the time but I was able to finnish all these games on my good old Saturn. Love the analogue 3D controller :)
It's my favorite Sega console also. I was very late to the Japanese side of things but I am really enjoying picking up new games for it. I also purchased my first Japanese Saturn console a couple weeks ago. I'm in love all over again. Can't stop spending money lol aaahhhhhhh!
Cool vid
SEGA!!!
Sega Saturn blew me away bitd. Still has some of the best games ever.
You're making me miss my Sega Saturn Bro.
To finally have sega rally at home instead of just arcade was one of the best times in my life. Enough said
I think Sega Rally 1 is still better then 2.
1 was so much fun. :)
Great video and loving the golden axe music in the background!
Great video pal.
I've recently got my Saturn modded with a Fenrir Duo ODE, and I'm so glad I did! Being able to play Panzer Dragoon Saga, Radiant Silvergun, Shining Force 3, X-Men vs Street Fighter, Metal Slug, Dead or Alive, King of Fighters 95/96 to name just a few, without having to spend hundreds, nay, thousands of pounds for the privilege is truly wonderful.
I owned my original Saturn way back in 1996, and whilst many friends thought it rubbish next to the PS1 and N64 (because they all believed the massive media bias that existed back then), I personally never felt as much love for a console as this. I also still own a PS1, N64 and Dreamcast, and frankly, I've always enjoyed this era of gaming far more than modern machines. Gameplay is key, as opposed to the obsession with photo-realistic visuals.
Was the Saturn a failure? No doubt yes, next to the PS1 in terms of sales, but there seems to have been a recent resurgence in the retro market for this truly wonderful console. The number of emulators, mods, and various geekery sites are great, and I heartily recommend that anyone who never gave the Saturn a chance back in the day, or modern day gamers who were too young to remember it, take advantage of the marvellous variety of options to play such gems of gaming history.
I would, however, recommend getting hold of the console, modded or otherwise, together with the 3D controller, rather than an emulator. It's a far better experience overall. Unless you're a collector, though, I'd suggest a mod, as some of the top titles will set you back upwards of £100-800! There's a couple of HDMI converter cables available nowadays, so there's no real issues with playing on modern TVs!
We bought ours shortly after the Saturn was released early to the public in '95. Having played Daytona USA in the arcades, the Saturn port looked dreadful and it immediately gave me a bad vibe about the console. After the initial game library that we picked up, we picked up NHL Powerplay '96 as our last game for the system and it collected dust for many many many years.
Fast forward to about 2019 when I decided to get a Pro Action replay and try out some of the Japanese games that I would burn to disc. And holy shit... The Saturn went from something I didn't care about at all, to a console in my top 5 now. It blows the N64 away imo. The library of arcade games and 2 gaming is incredible. It is such an underrated console, I'm so happy that it's getting it's due 27 years after it's launch. Hail Sega Saturn. :)
I was a big fan of the Dreamcast too. If you liked certain types of games, both were pretty great.
Grandia 2 and Skies of Arcadia are my 2 favorite RPG games of all times that came out on the dreamcast.
Daytona was GREATNESS as a 14yr old with long hair, a skateboard and a Pearl Jam T-shirt…
Pearl Jam wasn’t good bro.
@@outerspaceman7534 For a teenager in the 90’s the first two albums were awesome- after that they went shit
@@gedrooney9305 I’ll be honest they are crap. I was listening to their first two albums yesterday. I just prefer bands like Soundgarden if I wasn’t my 90s grunge fix. They sound more heavier and metal.
@@outerspaceman7534 Im a Soundgarden/ Stone Temple fan, I never bothered buying another PJ album after Vitalogy as a kid. Moved onto Beefheart and down that rabbit hole..I’m a 43yr old rock climber now..Grunge energy keeps me pulling hard on rock instead of smashing shins on my board..
AIC > PJ and STP
The Saturn deserved better, especially outside of Japan. Imagine if we would have gotten games like Sonic Xtreme and Shenmue on the system, that would have been insane!
Now that you've mentioned it. I still need to play Shenmue 3 to finish the story. Played 1 and 2 on the Dreamcast.
I cam image a Shem Mue on the Saturn, it already run horrible on the Dreamcast.
Ppl don't support these systems when they're out but always like it after its gone
The sega Saturn
The sega Dreamcast
The Nintendo GameCube
I think it's bcuz ppl love an underdog
Hindsight is 20/20
Yes! I was waiting for this!
What killed the Saturn and Jaguar was the lack of a proper SDK and documentation.
For the jaguar cpu. M68k is terrible cpu while atari could've used motorolla 32-bit cpus instead.
@@maroon9273 the 68000k was not the main cpu, it was just a cpu to do little stuff here and there like reading input from the controller. The CPU TOM and the GPU Jerry were real 32bits. Motorolla were never Risc CPU and Risc is always faster than cisc.
I thought that was a rumor and Saturn was always intended to be 3D
Saturn's 2 processor design mimics their arcade tech not their console tech
Its very possible. Im learning a lot from everybody's comments and links Im being sent. This has all been really educational. Im grateful for that.
It pretty much is true that it was always intended to be 3D. That was confirmed by Hideki Sato who is the person who designed the hardware. There's a lot of rumors about Saturn's design but what we know from the Hideki Sato interviews is this:
Originally Saturn was going to be 1 SH2 and the SCU DSP to help with 3D math calculations. VDP2 and VDP1 seem to have always been there in some form, along with the SCSP and 68K to drive it. Around late 1993 Sega felt they weren't getting the performance they wanted out of the single SH2 + DSP set up and asked Hitachi if they could increase the clock speed. Hitachi wasn't able to do this but instead said they could use 2 SH-2s in a master slave configuration. Sega tried this and it helped their performance issues and that's what they went with.
So the fabled last second change was adding the 2nd SH2. It seems at this point any further development on the custom DSP in the SCU stopped which could explain why that chip is a bit of a buggy mess. With the 2nd SH2 a lot of the the original intent for the DSP goes away because anything the DSP can do, the 2nd SH2 can do just as fast if not better. But at this point it would cost more to get rid of the DSP than to keep it due to redesign costs so they kept it for helping in cases where CPU resources are the bottleneck.
By about late 1993 the Saturn's overall design was becoming finalized with any other changes being things like adding additional features like High Speed Shrink to VDP1 and what not. So basically 3D was always intended to be there, it's why they went with the SH2 and why the DSP was originally there in the SCU. And it's why they added another SH2 to make the 3D performance better.
@@SegaFanatic5188 - You’re correct, and remember at the time of the console’s development, Daytona USA and Virtua Fighter were all the rage. They had plans to bring those games to the console and needed to design the hardware to run them.
@@SegaFanatic5188 Personally, Dual SH2 and warped sprites is a bad idea for the saturn. A better performing single SH3, MIPS, NEC, Arm and power pc cpus would've made the saturn performance more efficient reduce the programming difficulties.
@@maroon9273 The SH2s are fine. They're the least controversial part of the Saturn and are very good and powerful CPUs for the time. When it comes to things like Multiplication and Division the SH2s significantly outperform the MIPS CPU in the PS1. The real reason the PS1 pulls ahead is that it's GPU has a significantly higher fillrate than Saturn's VDP1, and the GTE Coprocessor just edges out the SH2 for 3D Math performance because it's a custom chip with Hardware implementations of 3D Math functions.
It's not the use of Quads/Distorted Sprites that's a problem either. It's simply the lack of Texture Coordinates, and that VDP1 is slower than the competition. That said, it's not nearly as poor as people try to claim either.
Finally, bringing up the SH3 is just plain silly because without the Saturn using the SH2, there is no SH2 (so no 32X either). Without the SH2, there is no SH3.
amazing work man plz continue
The Saturn died too soon. I really liked the system but I remember hearing that it was too difficult for programmers to make games for it.
My beat time on video games. And I had them all at one time. But the Saturn was awesome. Luckily I had access to the world wide market. I got more Japanese games than EU ones.❤
Much ♡ to this Console.
My Top 5.
Story of Thor 2
Athlete Kings
Torico
Virtua Cop 2
Sega Rally
Saw that copy of "Last Bronx"! Hell yeah!
I subscribed for the homies. Well done!
DragonForce is my all-time favourite game for the Sega Saturn.
Back then I did not speak English and didn't understand anything but I still had a lot of fun playing it. Even I never managed to beat the game, for obvious reasons 🤣
-Tian
Great system with an amazing game library.
I absolutely loved my Sega Saturn. I bought it when it first came out and spent many hours playing it with my brother and some friends. I had well over 30 games in my library which were all completely awesome and imop hands down way better than anything the PlayStation had to offer. Sadly I made the dumbass decision to give it away when I was moving to some friend of my then girlfriend. A totally stupid decision because I miss the games and basically everything about that system. Awesome video and great content. Thanks so much for bringing us this.