'WE'RE SPLITTING HAIRS' 🗣️ Debating Caitlin Clark vs. Angel Reese 🍿 | First Take
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- Опубликовано: 19 сен 2024
- On First Take, Stephen A. Smith, Shannon Sharpe and Molly Qerim are joined by LaChina Robinson to analyze who's had the better season start between Caitlin Clark of the Indiana Fever and Angel Reese of the Chicago Sky.
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Clark is the only player in the league averaging 15/5/5 or better this season and she is doing it a a Rookie.
While being double / triple teamed
Stephen A can’t hide his disdain for McNutt. Look at his face😑
you mean his disdain for black women, who aren't morons/dimwits = he can't handle that she was right, weeks later = that shows he's got a "superiority-complex" = he feels like a "small" person, all the time #PoorGuy
Stephen A doesn't like to be challenged by anyone.
Smith is a clown.
@@teejack8108 especially a woman, but SAS will never learn = FOX Sports fired him for harassing a female co-worker, over the phone = ESPN saved SAS from the media "graveyard", which is why he'll do/say anything they tell him to because he was grateful he has a job, but it looks like ESPN might be done with him = they just offered him $18M to renew his contract & he turned it down = that might be a "lowball" offer = ESPN might be trying to get him "outta here" #LetsSee
😂😂
Monica changed her pick within 2 hours. She had Angel Reese in the earliest segment now she’s picking Caitlyn Clark.
parity. makes for good TV
Actually ahe didn't. I went to check. She said Reeese for ROY and Clark for better start.
Welcome to TV. They change opinions like they change clothes.
It’s Caitlin Clark
I said the same thing, she tap dancing now lol, they made her change her position lol you can't deny Angel Reese !!!
Caitlin Clark coach gotta do better. She let Reese cook Smith whole game without trying to let someone else guard her.
Then left that Wallace girl in late, when she was acting goofy and couldn't even stay on her feet, she should've been benched the last 4mins.plus the last 3mins the offense should've been ran thru Caitlin Clark 14ast and she didn't even touch the ball fr the last 4mins, let her set up the shooters. It's like the coach wanted Caitlin to play off the ball, to draw attention. No let her draw attention with the ball and find the open shooters like she did the whole game but they went away from that late.
Catilin Clark wasn’t involved into the offense the last 6:30 of the game that fever coach is not good
Caitlin shys away from the big moment and doesn't shoot, so blame the coach. Ridiculous.
@@TruthDefined4life she was getting phased out the game. Not on CC
The team has their most success with the offense runs through Boston. That's actually what will get more opportunity for CC.
I wondering said that when lsu coach let Clark shoot anything she wanted vs Hailey?
Why not wait til the end of the year before we decide who was the best player this year lmao 🤣🤣🤣
Literally
It’s Reese so far
You must be new
Nah this is the nba media circus , they did this with wemby and Chet. Rember when wemby had a terrible pre season game and they called him a bust. This is how competitive sports always is this is a good thing
In what sport do they do that there would be no need for talk shows
Stephen A! You've been MCNUTTED!😂😂😂
Saying Angel gets her own rebounds is even more why she is playing better. It's not her fault the other team can't get the rebound. So someone ain't doing their job
For now, sure.
Its her fault for missing her shots though
Kevin McHale made a career of this, and he is considered one of the greatest PF's in NBA history
@@agentcodybanx890914/16 rebounds yesterday was defensive shutcho clown azz up
At this point she's getting more defensive than offensive rebounds anyway
Both ladies are balling. Doesn't matter who you like, they both balling right now.
FACTS
Reese is trash.
FACTS and I'm enjoying watching them both
Yes it matters
@sbedify6863 lol why?
I haven’t seen any black female pick CC yet. Maybe that just me lol
Clark has broke so many records since she enter the WNBA. scoring with the greats in the game. Reece isn't even close to what CC is doing in the Game.
Let’s see…CC leads in Fg%, Ft%, total blocks, total steals and assists. Its not even a legit debate
Also, Indiana was in the 8 spot yesterday 😂I can’t
Ok that's all not true AR LEADING IN REBOUNDING OFFENSIVE AND DEFENSIVE. FREE THROW ATTEMPTS. STEALS. A LOT LESS TURNOVERS. A BETTER DEFENDER. FG % IS BETTER
Not fg% not steals only assists n but not assists yo turnover ratio even though sone not her fault but on paper it is
CC only leads in pts and assists
@@cedriyonnawashington1103angel reese shoots .01% better from the field while all her shots are 5 feet from the basket
Great game win Sky! 🎉 As a big Fever and CC fan, I loved the matchup that both teams are bringing to the game. Fever and Sky are such promising teams, and I can’t wait to see the 4th sky vs fever game
Listen these two ladies have me at 42 and my dad at 66 talking ball and connecting on the WNBA. BIG W in my opinion 🙌🏾
She’s making it sound like Caitlin joined some playoff team the way she’s talking about the fever tf they were the #1 seed for a reason there been dysfunctional organization for 10+ years
They never said that. They said that a lot of the games the fever lost were close games. So they are far from a bad team. They just were bad at closing. Clark was the piece that is supposed to put them over the edge.
Reese on the other hand is playing with a new roster and coach. There was no expectation of her winning.
@@JBSCORNERL8 What do you mean they are far away from a bad team? Have you watched them!? Despite all the talent they have, they have the worst net rating in the W, much worse than the sky.. is that because Angel is significantly outplaying Caitlin? They have had back to back to back 1-2 draft picks. They haven’t made the playoffs in 8 years. They gave “Erica Wheeler” a max contract. They are clearly poorly run which is my point.
Chicago has definitely exceeded expectations but I am pushing back on her assessment of Indiana because I don’t think she’s taken into account that despite the talent they have, they have a losing culture.
@@Bustawest The context here is important. No one is claiming the Fever were the best team last year. What people are saying is that the team was competitive, often losing close games. This suggests they had the potential to make the playoffs and build a winning culture if they had managed to win those pivotal games. They retained many of their players because they believe they're just one piece away from success, and Caitlin Clark might be that missing piece.
On the other hand, Angel Reese is adapting to a completely new system. Everyone knows rebuilding a team involves risk, and despite the challenges, they're doing okay. The key difference is that no one is saying Caitlin Clark is on a championship team-that was your implication, not a general consensus.
@@JBSCORNERL8 ???? I never claimed fever were “the best team last year” or said she said cc was on a championship team. I said she was acting as if cc joined a playoff team the way she discussed the fever. You’re saying they had the potential to make the playoffs last year but they won 5 games the year prior. They won an additional 8 games and they were still 5 games out of the playoffs. I think you are grossly underestimating the coaching and losing culture aspect.
The Chicago Sky are rebuilding but they’ve at least have established a winning culture the past half decade. That same organization won a championship 3 years ago!
Yes the Chicago Sky look better than projected but they clearly have an identity. They are a hard nose team they win by grit and outworking their opponents. Fever on the other end are the worst defensive team in the wnba by far.. they were the 2nd worst defense last year.. They are still figuring out their identity. Both teams have issues my argument is that she is propping up Indiana fever based on projection and talent but that is not all there is to basketball. Chicago Sky have a much higher net rating with significantly less talent, that proves that.
@@Bustawest You said they're making it seem as if Caitlin Clark joined a playoff team. No one said that. Literally no one. What they're saying is that the Fever kept some key pieces, including the Rookie of the Year and two starters. Many of their losses were close games, not blowouts. The argument is that the team had potential and just needed that one piece, which they believe Caitlin Clark could be.
The Chicago Sky, meanwhile, are still figuring things out. Relative to them, the Fever should be doing better. Adding Caitlin Clark, who many consider one of the best players in women's college basketball, came with high expectations. This was projected to put the Fever over the top. In contrast, Angel Reese didn't have the same expectations, despite also having a stellar college career. Caitlin Clark is held to a higher standard, and that's the reality.
Clark could score a lot more but she's racking up assists and deferring to her teammates a lot, maybe even a bit too much. Reese's point average is probably not far from her ceiling offensively. Clark could probably average a good 5 to 10 more points a game if she really wanted to.
Lmao are we going to pretend Chicago didnt get TWO top rookies this year from the draft?
Key word Rookies?
Top? Non of them gave Reese a chance infact many said Reese will be a liability on her team, Kamila is a post player and not very aggressive, everything people are saying now is because Reese especially had to provo herself worthy of even getting drafted in the first place
*Indiana got Boston 2023 #1 Pick & (2023 ROTY) & Clark this year #1 (2024 Pick).*
And?
Are we pretending Indiana didn’t get the last two #1 draft picks and have 3 overall?
Stephen A neck sure is bothering him a lot during this segment 😂
Getting beaten up by a McDoughNutt.
He probably don't really want to talk about it no more. I don't think he really care about the WNBA. Because too many peoplebe complaining. So let the women have it.
😂😂😂 so cc has better stats and half as many rebounds despite shes not a foward or center 😂😂. And exceeding expectations, fever have a better record and where last place a year before 😂😂 who are these analysts? Also, reese is supposed to get boards. that's her whole game which the league has like 3. There are no cc's 😂
if only espn put this much energy into the actual rivalry that is Stewie vs A’ja.. you know the two best players in the world with exact same resumes and play the same position.
Neither of them get enough love.
And who cares.
I KNOW, RIGHT?!
That's what I said Brianna and A'ja are balling man ballllllingggggg how are u missing that
they are talking about rookies
Didnt chicago just come off 3-4 game losing streak
It dont matter their record is still better lol as of now the sky are in the playoffs if it started today
Let;s not split weaves.
@@TwotoneTony-xb4gd correct me if I’m wrong but fever has more wins right? If they both dont win anymore games then the fever will have the better record right?
@@TwotoneTony-xb4gd
Because they have less losses than Indiana. But they don't have more wins.
@@tonyedwards3938but cc fans aren’t racist. It’s not about race huh lmao yall hate the fact yall not better at anything when compared to black ppl except doing evil shyt historically
Every black woman is picking angel Reese and it’s clear why now. Smh
A black women on this video literally picked cc…
And all the white women picking CC. You shaking your head at that???
Clark - 16.3 ppg, 5.4 reb, 6.6 assists, 1.5 steals
Reese - 13.2 ppg, 11.1 reb, 2.1 assists, 1.7 steals
They are both setting rookie records
Half her rebounds are her own missed shots. 😂😂😂😂😂
they dont show the shooting splits though do they...cuz they know clark would win lmao
Turnovers
Angel reese is 3rd in the WNBA in free throw attempts. She's a better defended
I forgot leading the WNBA IN OFFENSIVE REBOUNDS not even close
No one can honestly watch the games and think Reese is responsible for her team winning more than clark. Clark is getting picked up 94 feet and still putting up decent stats. That’s while her team is dropping easy assist
The hate is real 😂
That’s because Clark will shoot it from far. Why would you let a known beyond the arc shooter get a free look?
Also, Reese is a dog. Most of buckets are bullying players to get rebounds and putting them back up in while being guarded.
I said this yesterday, that when Angel Reese does great it's all flowers when Caitlin Clark does great, it's excuses and and her game is minimized esp by the black women on all of these sports shows. When Caitlin's team beat the sky last week no one wanted to have this discussion and Angel talked about preferential whistles. These shows are so transparently biased! There are so many people in mainstream media esp these sports shows who want Caitlin to fail that its' funny. I think Caitlin has literally become Eminem, except Eminem had Dr. Dre and 50 cen to him more legitimate. These women on these sports shows and most of the WNBA just doesn't want Caitlin among them!
Big facts. I don’t think anything you said is diminishing what Angel has done, because she has been playing great. Caitlin has just done more with less, on top of having a coach who’s refusing to let her play her way. Angel is avg a double mostly because she’s a forward but Caitlin is leading in 4 rookie categories and is on pace to break a rookie record avg 15 and 5. I see that as more impressive than getting 6 doubles in a row. I don’t see how none of that is being addressed at the effort to prop Angel to the same pedestal.
This is not black vs white...stop it.
😅😊
I've seen Stephen praise the heck out of Caitlin, And I really dislike Angel a lot, BUT, right now, I'd give Reese the ROTY.
It’s actually the opposite. Clark is the golden child and Reese is painted as the evil angry black woman
@@HamBar-iz7zx this is,those very journalists you heard said it
There's no comparison
Between Reese and Clark
Compare stats between players side by side all stats,
Reese rookie of the Year already looking at her stats
The recently bias is crazy. Clark has been the best rookie. Plus she’s figuring it out. Chicago is a much better team, and has been under achieving.
Did you hear what she said it’s a totally different team and coach learn comprehension skills fever are better Angel has a bigger plate
Chicago has no all stars. Indiana has two plus the No.1 pick.
Three points per game more is no where near 5 more rebounds per game. Reese has been better, not really debatable
that's not true because the rookie-ranking says Cameron Brink #1; Angel Reese #2; Kate Martin #3 & Caitlin Clark #4, so you lied obviously
@@expertmike7695 Her own rebounds because she is 3/10 per game. Clark is not being played. Sides has her in the game for show and tell and that's it. How many times has KM passed the ball to Clark this season? ZERO. The team is playing against Clark except for Boston.
Right now I would vote for Reese.
Reese first 10 rebounds, 9 were on the Defensive boards. So much for the Bogus Theory of her always only rebounding her own shot. Oh, and she finished the GAME with 13 Defensive boards and 16 total. She was also 9/11 from the Free throw Line. Her Teammates miss their last Four Free Throw Attempts. Oh and she finished the Game with 25 Points shooting 8/12 from the Field.
She didn’t miss many layups this game…
@@SmoothV7 Clark is about to obliterate the turnover record by almost 100 turnovers. Her breaking the turnover record by that much should disqualify her for ROY. The fact that she's even being considered for it is ridiculous.
One game doesn’t change the fact she’s literally rebound her own misses sometimes two & three times before finally making a layup lol you can’t change the narrative after one decent game
@@joemillz10Clark has those turnovers because her teammates are literally dropping her passes 💀 learn ball
It’s Caitlin Clark & it’s not even close bruh but you can clearly see the bias these ppl have even Monica picking Caitlin wasn’t believable you could tell she just did it so it wasn’t a panel full of black ppl picking Reese over Clark when it’s clear Clark has been the better player
Reese had a fantastic game yesterday but it's still not close. Her shooting percentage is horrible for her size and the kinds of shots she is taking. As such, her rebounds are inflated. She's second in overall rebounds, but she's 10th in defensive rebounds. It's easy to rack up rebounds when you're grabbing your own misses.
Reese is only averaging 1.5 more defensive rebounds per game than guard CC. That says a lot as well.
Also, Reese has 2 blocks for the season. 2. Caitlin Clark, again a guard, has 16. CC is leading her in assists obviously, but her turnovers are high. Some of those turnovers are passes that her teammates clearly should have caught. CC leads in steals too but barely.
When CC is on the floor, she's hustling back and forth on all plays. Reese is usually coming up late. She benefits from quick turnovers before she has made it up the floor and then receives a long pass for a quick shot.
It's clearly CC for now. That could change though. We'll see from here.
So when she misses nobody goes after the ball? This really is the most stupid argument? shows your just making excuses! whe she misses shots the other team challenges for the rebound? Also her shooting percentage is 40%? Catlin is 39%?
@@peferredservice2207 You're clearly the one that is detached from reality. When you're shooting 5 feet from the basket, you're expected to put it in at a higher percentage. You're also standing right there and have a much bigger chance of getting your own rebound. Of the top 30 shooting percentages in the league, all of them are forwards/centers (aside from one guard who has only taken one shot and made it, so that doesn't count obviously).
Go look at the top 14 rebounders in the league. They are all forwards and centers. Angel is dead last in shooting percentage among them. If she weren't so shitty of a shooter close up, her rebound numbers would go down. How hard is that to understand?
Only one is being defended like a reigning MVP.
I am so frustrated the lynx passed on Reese. Historic mistake
Reese has the edge right now in my opinion. She's really having a good season so far
CC still 2/3 in their averages this season. So by numbers CC has the edge and playing on the worst team. Reese is on a hot streak right now though
It's a team game.
It's clearly Clark lol
CC avg more ppg and has more wins
Reese can't win roty based on her rebounds😂
But not gonna lie it's close
@PrinceH8907 no Clark is on the better team. Sky only has 1 starter from last season. Fever has 4. Sky is literally a completely new team
I’m praying Angel Reese wins EVERY award because I don’t feel like hearing what we’ll hear if she doesn’t.
Yes sir!
Reese is definitely rookie of year so far ..no worries
If Grant Hill and Jason Kidd could share it WHY NOT Clark and Reese share it as long as neither of their play drops of significantly
Angel Reese and it’s not even close
Clark first rookie ever to average 15, 5 and 5. Fastest player ever in history to 250pts and 100 asts. It’s Clark not even close.
I like reese too! But there is nothing special that A'ja don't do either.
Assist is better than rebound.
@@hinata365247 are you slow ?
@@WORKSbaby are you?
If Clark doesn't win ROY...
1. Simps will cry racism
2. Stephen A Smith and Shady McCoy will cry that it's in the best interest of the WNBA that Clark wins because you have to progress the league forward
At some point Stephen A and the other Clark simps will say the WNBA should just put the Indiana Fever in the finals because it will mean more viewership numbers.
They're both doing quite good, the main difference is the Sky embraced their rook, the Fever are forcing Clark to play a game that's not hers. She's averaging 5,5 boards and 6,5 assists, good for her, nobody cares. You got the female Steph Curry and you got her playing like Rajon Rondo did in Boston. How you got possibly the best shooter in the game and she's attempting 12 shots per game?
Don't forget that teams are guarding Clark in the bathroom, in her car, on the bench... everywhere. Angel doesn't draw that kind of defensive assignments. Clark is facing the type of defensive pressure that almost no one in the WNBA is facing. No other rookie comes close, and FEW other players do.
I like how you forgot to mention that Clark is also averaging like 6 turnovers a game and shoots less than 40% from the field, if the season ended today, Reese is clearly the rookie of the year
She is a good player and should be able to adapt, no matter what. If she cannot adapt then she is not a good player.
@@cedricspencer720 that's a product of crazy usage and not knowing how to deal with trapping defenses yet. She'll cut those down
@@cedricspencer720 you also like the fact that Reese has similar percentages and she plays under the rim, and if you watched the games you'd realize half her tos are her teammates being unable to catch simple passes. Be objective, there's no reason to push agendas here.
Comparing a G to a F is mind blowing since both players won't have anything to compare but points, CC can never be up there in rebounds and Angel Reese can never be up there in Assist.
Rebounds only require Yourself to gain a stat point, Assist requires your teammate to score, if they don't then you'll be running back on defence.
Angel should win if she keeps it up,double double queen💯👸🏾
How many if those are her own misses?
I mean Caitlin should win but stats good for both of em my thing is when stats can’t be the deciding factor you go wins and losses which they’re pretty much even 1 loss difference then you go to head to head stats and Caitlin’s been better than angel head to head
@@nothembajozi2862most
@@nothembajozi2862that makes no sense. You are referring to rebounds not double doubles. And even if she were getting her own rebounds that shows she's relentless. Nobody should be able to continually get their own rebounds.
@@nothembajozi2862she had mostly defensive rebounds yesterday. None were from her own misses lol
Finally Shanon! Thank you
Chicago was a playoff team last year.
The fever had the no.1 pick so that says alot
Chicago lost all but 1 of its starters in the off season. It's not the same team as last year.m. Indiana brought back most of its starters.
Did you watch the video where they straight up said that Chicago lost a lot of players?
@@edwardfitzgerald3877 and most of their starters got them the nom1 pick which clearly shows they weren't that good.
@@iamsamfortunebrg8772 Never said either team was good. Indiana didn't make the playoffs, so, obviously, they weren't a very good team. But stating Chicago's 8th seed playoff berth as if it meant anything to a current Sky squad that lost 80% of its core plus it's coach is just disingenuous.
*ANGEL REESE FOR ROOKIE OF THE YEAR*
CC is pretty good in her first year but I'll say Angel is better ... especially when you consider what the expectations were for both players
How many rebounds are based on her own missed shots
Did you see the stats😂
@@sundayperez1742not many very small amount
But would we be even talking Angel. Huh, Hey, No didn't think so.
LMAO. It's Clark and it isn't even close but an all black panel chooses Reese, what a surprise.
Reese right now
Only reason pick Angel is because she’s black, the numbers say she’s not even close and why none of them ever mention her getting her own rebounds from her missed shots?
Because it’s a lie…get you a wnba league pass so you can see for yourself broke boy
you sound dumb. The numbers say she’s not close? They play different positions and if your comparing both of there numbers to others at there positions they’re FAR ahead of where they should be as rookies, especially when compared to where these other stars were there rookie years. stop trying to make it about race it’s a real conversation two of the leagues brightest stars
It is more complex than that. If you look at efficiency, Caitlin percentage are not the top in the league and was not the top in college league either. Paige had better percentage than Cailtin in college league. Caitlin mathematically broke record of shooting more than everyone else in the college history for her to top total point count. That's not top efficiency. It just means she didn't let her teammates shot the ball. It is something none should be rewarded for. Both Cailtin and Reese are overrated. What attract fans to Cailtin is her 3 point shooting range. It is impressive to watch but it is still 3 point, no extra value added. Reese is fan to watch because people hate her and she proves them wrong again and again. Her fans like that
@@johnp4471 Caitlin hit more than 3 pointers don’t assist and the league as a whole has low shooting %, far as efficiency goes the stats are the stats and one thing we both can agree on is hers isn’t padded
Half her rebounds are chasing down her own horrible shots.
Ima be honest it don't matter who wins I'm just glad Reese and clark and playing great and things are working out with both teams I feel like whoever wins is fine with me they both are amazing 😂😊👏💯
If Reece wins than we know this is not genuine
If CC averages 16 5 and 6 she will be the fifth women to average 15 5 and 5 that’s more impressive than Reese getting a bunch of her missed shots as rebounds
You’re statement is wrong
@@leesuggs1532 lmao so how many WNBA players have averaged 15 5 and 5 for a season then ?
It's amazing, the blogger is really creative and worth watching
It’s not close at all! CC is a one trick pony. No defense, No inside game, and it a turnover machine!
But nobody wants to talk about that!
Why would someone 6 feet tall have an inside game? Does Reese have an outside game? She's shooting 20% from 4 feet or more. I know you're not watching any fever games because Clark gets about 3 extra turnovers from dropped passes. It's cool you're black so you root for black players. Just own it.
I guess you didn't see the 13 assist and the 5 more that could have been if her teammates could catch the ball
This aged beautifully 🍸
Its reese right now
For today
@@MosesMichael1900 that's what right now means 😂
The one who voted Caitlin Clark is milking it😂
They both had noise Caityln had the most expectations and Angel had the most hate. But lets not be blind here Caitlyn HAS THE HIGHEST TURNOVER RATE IN THE LEAGUE. You can not be rookie of the year with the highest turnover rate!
Facts!!!!
Sure you can... basketball is more than just one stat.
how can you be rookie of the year shooting the exact same percentage in the paint as caitlin clark is shooting from 3?
Ain't her fault none of her teammates can catch a pass. Take them away...and Caitlin averages about 2 turnovers a game...the way they double and triple team her... that's pretty amazing.
@@dannysmith4447 It actually is her fault. Majority of the time they are BS passes! So you gonna tell me Rookie of the year 2023 Aliyah Boston can catch passes last year but all of sudden she's horrible at catching passes now! No, hold Caitlyn accountable! Its clear that you only watch caitlyn's games and don't actually watch basketball. A lot of the players are subjected to worst defense than Caitlyn and still make better passes!
first of all McNutt is an incredible hypocrite, she has been spitting venom on CC since before she joined the wbna, secondly 4 black journalists who talk about a league made up of 80% black athletes and who over the months have tried to destroy CC in every possible way speaking practically only about the girl's color now as if by magic they have sweet words towards her?? thanks but keep your hypocrisy, I hope they give the award for roty to angel today to whom I congratulate for the great match because I can't imagine the venom you would spew if the prize went to CC
The media has made Caitlin Clark “the great white hope” and Angel Reese the villain im rooting for Angel Reese
Caitlin Clark was setting viewership records and selling out arenas before anyone knew Reese existed. She’s ya’lls blk hope to come in and try to stop the superstar
@ransom6892 your so mad Angel Reese is neck and neck in the ROTY race 🤣🤣🤣 go cry...CC isn't looking so great 😃👍
Word 💯
They came along at the same time. Angel was the pretty and brash double-double machine at LSU. Caitlin Clark was a certified bucket with Steph Curry/Dame Lillard range at Iowa. Both teams were amongst the best in the nation. So fast forward when they met in the first time in the tournament, CC was the girl next door, the hero with an underdog team. LSU was the more talented team who clearly relished being the villains
@@chrisdamon1096 I’m not mad lil guy. You sound like an emotionally immature child 😂 You Reese fans brought nothing but toxicity and hatred when everyone else had fun all season before you guys jumped on the bandwagon
Do they know that the Rookie of the year award has nothing to do with the success of the team ? It’s an purely individual award, Caitlin is by far the rookie of the year, not even close. Are we gonna change all our minds just because Angel Reese had one great game ? It’s not like she scores 25+ points all day every day. She is a solid big who consistently brings you 13/12 that’s it.
Yes no one was arguing Chet over Wemby This make up reasons to minimize Catlin
If any of the Fever players could reliable catch a Clark pass and then hit a lay-up, they'd have 2-3 more wins, at least (including this last Fever v. Sky matchup).
The last minute of that game was brutal to watch. The Sky were giving the Fever the W and they just didn't take it. Sky should have put them away with FTs, then the Fever had all that time to set up a good play for Clark and they end up with Boston, who should be under the basket, shooting a long-range shot. Also, before they called the timeout when Clark stole the ball back with under 20 seconds left, she shouldn't have even passed it to that player on the run because she was obviously not ready for the moment. I would rather have seen Clark take a 3 from the logo than any of her teammates even attempting a layup! lol
Clark is about to obliterate the turnover record by almost 100 turnovers. Her breaking the turnover record by that much should disqualify her for ROY. The fact that she's even being considered for it is ridiculous.
that chick in the hotel room just said Reese is better because her team is worst, but in college Reese was better because her team's record. movin goalposts. not a direct comparison
Wake up Stevo 😂😂
This award was Won long before the season started for Caitlin Clark.
Their record is virtually the same? how has Reece impacted winning more 😂
Defense an rebounding an who have better record
Fever had a higher expectation to win. So them having identical records is actually bad for Clark. She's playing with the previous ROTY and 1 other all star. None of that is on the sky.
Fever have had back to back no 1 picks, have been top 2 in the last 3 and haven't made the playoffs since 2016, how are they suddenly having higher expectations. It's like saying the Spurs had higher expectations than the thunder. Lmao
@@frustrated0goatmajor cap, the fever had the first overall pick because they were the worst team in the league
@@will-zj5gq still doesn't change what I said. Sky had 2 top 10 picks. Still never answered who came with higher expectations? Still haven't answered why she's playing with DECORATED players and Reese isn't?
So Clark leads in EVERYTHING besides rebounds?
No she doesn't. Clark has 2 categories and Reese has 2. And both are not even number 1
yes
I don't think its close. One is driving a whole offense, has to score and grabs 5 rebounds as a guard. Thats crazy. CC could easily be just a volume shooter and average over 20. Instead she facilitates. all these analyst gave her crap that she would come in and shoot 30fgs. So she comes in and averages 7 assists with 5 rebounds with her scoring. And then runs an offense as a rookie. Sorry angel reese doesn't have to do any of that.
It's not close and anyone with an inkling of basketball knowledge knows CC is the better player but we have disingenuous people in basketball fandom unfortunately
Casuals check nimbers its close
I think it’s definitely CC. But the topic is here to stir up conversation. Grow the rivalry, WNBA and Angel Reese as a star. That’s why they all are saying angel reese. It’s just creating narratives
I agree. Caitlin isn't really even trying to score much. She takes what 11-12 shots a game and she's not even go to the FT line all that much. She's focused on gelling with her teammates and that's running an offense. And that's hard.
Clark is about to obliterate the turnover record by almost 100 turnovers. Her breaking the turnover record by that much should disqualify her for ROY. The fact that she's even being considered for it is ridiculous.
Coach Sides [cough cough] should win it for just being able to stand on the sidelines.
CC washes her. Look at the stats.
Is not even close so stop it. Caitlyn is far ahead from Angel
I wouldn’t even know Reese’s name if it wasn’t for the amount of hate she has spit towards Caitlin Clark. Why are you comparing a guard to a forward? Pretty sure fever have won 2/3 games against the Sky. I also think it’s pathetic that she gets points for a double double. We wouldn’t even hear about an nba player getting a double double because it’s not that big of deal.
It’s on the major statistics like points steal assists , it’s like triple doubles , you get money end of year by leasing in a major category.
You're hearing about it because it's not consistently done in the W. Plus she is a rookie that is doing it. The conversation is too early to be having.
you yappin. Reese is probably the 2nd most popular college player to come out this year. She was the face of a national championship that was popular. Now to the insane double double comment. Bro that’s one of the most valuable things in basketball lmao. Sabonis just made all nba this year mostly for his ability to get a double double. Jokic averaged a double double this year. So did giannis. What are you even talking about?
Yes u would she won a national championship..your white hope can only dream of lol
Its interesting that no one talks about blocks. On the season Clark 12 and Reese 2. 🤔
I thought LeBron was LeChina but apparently it's this woman 😂
Not only should Caitlin Clark win ROY, but should win MVP.
The Fever only won one game last year.
Now winning matters for Rookie of the year? If it always matter then Melo should've won it over LeBron in the 2003-2004 season.
And Wenby shouldn't have won according to this women
Clark is about to obliterate the turnover record by almost 100 turnovers. Her breaking the turnover record by that much should disqualify her for ROY. The fact that she's even being considered for it is ridiculous.
@joemillz10 I don't care about the turnovers all good players who have the ball have turnovers, also if you watch the game , half of turnovers are her teammates fault . Her court vision is so elite her teammates ain't ready for her dimes..
@@soda8736 You have no clue what you are talking about. She is constantly getting the ball snatched out of her hands. Good players don't obliterate turnover records by 100 turnovers. Bad players do that you casual.
@joemillz10 last years nba turnover leaders, Embid, Brunson, SGA, Dame Lillard, Maxi,D.Mitchelle. . All all stars. If you camt see her teammates dropping passes you are hater and there is no reasoning with you. I admit Reese had a great game amd has been playing well, you Clark haters always have to be negative.
THE BEST THING FOR THE WNBA IS TO HAVE THEM BOTH IN THE PLAYOFFS
It could happen. Both teams might be better than Atlanta (seventh seed).
Caitlin Clark wins rookie of the Year. great player, humble and carries herself like a superstar.🎉
angel reese is also a great player, humble, and carries herself like a superstar.
They not even halfway thru the season. Why is this evenna conversation right now
Let’s not forget Reese is shooting 38% from the field and all her shots are within the box. But espn and Stephen A won’t tell you that
Lies u tell lol
@@JaySpeakers she’s literally shooting 38% from the field. You can simply look it up 🤡
Clark is about to obliterate the turnover record by almost 100 turnovers. Her breaking the turnover record by that much should disqualify her for ROY. The fact that she's even being considered for it is ridiculous.
This might be the most competitive ROTY voting in a while
Are we really splitting hairs here? How can a post player shoot under 40% and be considered one of the best?
She’s the #2 rebounder in the league. What is all the other vets excuses?
How can a guard lead the league in turnovers and be considered great?
Dude she 6'3 these women not men she not dunkin fool
How can supposed great shooter and great passer be averaging 6 turnovers a game and shooting 34% from 3 and less than 40% from the field overall? Be serious, Reese is a walking double double, Clark is a walking turnover, Reese is the rookie of the year if the season ended today
They're just being PC because they know how you ppl respond. It's not splitting hairs at all. It's Reese by a wide margin. You being sarcastic talking about her fg% when it's higher than Clark's. Clark just brick from all over the court. She also leads the league in turnovers by a wide margin and is one of the worst defenders. You're right it's not a debate at all. They just know if they all told the truth how you ppl would respond.
reese should win she has made history 8 double doubles in a row they made a big deal about clarks 5 3 point shots but what about her teammate Kelsey Mitchell who had 24 points and 5 3 pointers and out played clark i think thats why clark is getting so much hate because they hype her up and dismiss the black woman who do better
Angel guards 1-5 effortlessly
She has fewer turnovers
More Rebounds
More wins
Fixing her flaws on the fly/game by game
Guards handle the ball more there gonna have turnovers. Reese has 6 wins clark has 7 wins 7 is more than 6.
@@williamsanders9017 didn’t ask
Then don’t make false statements
@@williamsanders9017 go read a book William
This man Steven A is still pissed at Monica McNut😂look at his face
Realistically Clark is the 4th best player on her team while Reese is clearly the leader of hers
No! clark is easily top 2.
@@kc5466 she’s not better than Boston or Kelsey Mitchell
You’re smoking crack if you think Reese is the best player on her team😂
You need to be doing standup.
Watching the highlights in the background as Clark is popping 30 footers casually and throwing dimes it’s just a farcical argument. Who would you pick on your team at the end of the day a generational point guard who can stretch the floor or Dennis Rodman. Not a debate.
So Reboundings is more importante that all other stats??That s an insane take.
Also Fever has exceeded expectations more than Sky that s just facts.
😂 good try .. behind points.. rebounds are the second most important statistic in basketball 😌
Sky were predicted to finish last in every expert poll this preseason. So they've exceeded expectations, and that's a facts.
@@intothefrayyoYeah, rebounds actually give your team more opportunities to score & helps keep your opponent from possession of the ball.
@@intothefrayyorebounds is how you get possessions for your team. Especially offensive rebounds. You’re so focused on scoring, you don’t even see how other areas like rebounding, passing, steals, blocks, turnovers, etc. impact the game
You mean rebounding her own missed shots is crazy 😂😂😂😂@@tyrellmiles1467
2 number 1 draft picks back to back is knocking on the door? Bruh that's called a rebuild.
Angel is going to win this, C.C. is not playing like the way she used to in college, she spends most of her playing time passing the ball or shooting from down town, she rarely attacks the basket or do mid rangers and she is also limited to 10-12 (3 pointers included) attempts per game. It doesn't help that the coach is not that good.
Great Content
Both young ladies are doing great but I give Angel Reese the clear edge rn for ROTY
They don’t talk about cc turnovers because they don’t wanna make cc fan base start crying…Angel is leader for rookie of the year by far so far
@@jricks92921 half are CC turnovers are her teammates literally just dropping passes. Angel literally rebounds her own missed shots 😂😂😂😂
CC owns her@@jricks92921
@@sundayperez1742 she rebounds her own misses 1-2 times a game … the rest her rebounds off her teammates misses and defensive rebounds
@@hi-px7cmwrong! She misses a lot!!! She can’t shoot at all!
They are FAR and away the best rookies in the class (especially with brink hurt) and should both be all stars this year as rookies. CC has a great young core around her and Angel does as well with Kam and Chen. Both came into the league with their respective fan bases and have not disappointed. These two young girls have the weight of being the WNBA's Magic and Bird, at least for this season (Paige and JuJu might have something to say about that) and are 100% living up to the billing.
To much Estrogen on screen for SAS, he's never ganna be comfortable with Mcnut until he gets "revenge" such a sad lil Man.
Idk about all that and neither do you
Stop hatin, get a life.
False 😆😆
Just take it for what it’s worth people. Every black female who’s asked this question is going to say angel Reese. Lmao
Starting to feel that way. But Lechina analysts didn't make sense
One team is 6-9 and the other is 7-11 and they talking bout winning is the deciding factor lol
Crazy lol
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Clark is about to obliterate the turnover record by almost 100 turnovers. Her breaking the turnover record by that much should disqualify her for ROY. The fact that she's even being considered for it is ridiculous.
That's what makes sports entertaining. It is always what you did last that counts. Angel Reese had one good game, and suddenly she's the Rookie of the Year. On the other hand, rebounds are the most important stat in basketball. The brutal schedule Indiana had to have at the beginning playing the best teams in the league with no preparation does not count at all.
Monica is getting real corny
She didn’t even play in the W so who told her she gets to dictate SAS and men speaking on women’s sports
Bish you don’t own the narrative and you’re coming off as racist
I’m really interested in your perspective here. What makes her come across as racist?
"splitting hairs" lol
I don’t see Reese winning it over Clark, any other year I’m sure she would of, Clark responsibilities are beyond what Reese has, Reese just has to worry about rebounds
She's averaging 13 a game 🎯 casual
Wrong! Reese is CHI best defender too. And yesterday she was one of the go to people they were going to to bring them back into the game.
Clark has the ball more than anyone or course she'll rack up the stats. Look at her efficiency, they trash, any other rookie they wouldn't get this kind of long leash. and has an all-star with her.
Just has to worry about rebounds ? If that were the case, she would not contribute any points. Clark doesn't even run in that direction if it's too congested. Reese has a hard role, Clark looks to pass the ball to the big, the bigs have to finish and fight for possession if the ball doesn't go in. Not to mention defense.
Reese game is a both ends of the floor
Is the season over?
No but Angel rookie of the year so far
Lmao....not even half way😅😂😂
This is what black women in the media were waiting for.. Today they crown Reese and continue their hate on Catlin