Now it changed to: 🇩🇪 "Werden Dampfmaschinen im Jahr 2025 endlich erfolgreich sein." 🇬🇧 "Will (stationary) steam engines finally be successful in 2025?" 😂
Valve working with Lenovo is a risk free endeavor for them. The only one at risk with that partnership is Lenovo. Even if Lenovo succeeds in eating into the steam deck sales, it's still a win for Valve because their primary revenue source is selling software. They're goal is to spread steam os and lock more people into the steam ecosystem which would boost software sales.
I recently got a ROG Ally as part of a package deal -- I'd been thinking I might replace my laptop altogether with one of these new handhelds... wow, I'm so glad I didn't go that route.... I find the Ally to be super-clunky, what with Windows/MyAsus/ArmouryCrate/X, Y, Z, libraries, etc.... I'd be kicking myself trying to use that in lieu of an actual laptop. I haven't tried a SteamDeck, but with the integrated OS, I would expect it to be a smoother user experience.... I'm also fairly certain all these SteamOS devices will also support Lutris, no? So if you *do* have other libraries, you can still use them!
@@JackDraak I use Heroic Games Launcher for my GoG, Epic and Prime games. When I install one of these games on my Rog Ally it gets added to my Steam Library.
More than I want Valve to succeed, I wanted MORE for Linux as a gaming platform to succeed. So thank you valve for making linux a worthy options for gamers out there
Proton will be a huge factor this time, being able to play a large part of currently existing libraries will make adoption more viable for more people.
in other hand, having first party hardware, gives games developer a target to develop for, Linux is an entire universe of configurations and variations, but having a Steam-first setup, makes it easier for developers.
a large part is an understatement, it is literally almost everything on the library except for some very old unsupported games (not even supported on current windows), then the ultra competitive titles with their kernel level anti cheats, and some indies that barely run even on windows, aside from those, proton runs literally 95% (or more) of steam library AND the other launchers, like epic, hoyo, origin, rockstar launcher, etc.
@@mrxmgs3768 They don't target hardware today, why should they even think about 2% of the Steam users using Linux? You can't run some of the newest AAA games on highest settings without turning on DLSS, frame gen and res. scaling on a beefy PC with a 4090 and 9800X3D.
If Valve wants to get console users to use Steam, then its a good idea they have their own first-party hardware as it will be a plug and play solution.
Its crazy to see how far technology itself has come since 2015, integrated graphics in current AMD processors are able to run heavy hitters like cyberpunk BG3 and RDR2, pretty smoothly granted as long as you lower the settings and resolution accordingly. Not to mention other new technologies like FSR and AFMF that only further improve performance, it's like all the pieces have fallen in place not only to make steam machines viable, but to make PC gaming itself the most accessible it's been in a while.
No kidding! I had recently picked-up an Xbox Series-X no-disc console, thinking it would be a plug-and-play experience (my last console was a PS-3... more than a decade ago). My money was much better spent after returning that proprietary box.... "Your TV is an Xbox! Your Phone is an Xbox! Your PC is an Xbox!... Oh, you bought an actual Xbox? Well you'll also need Xbox devices, eg. it will ignore your flight-stick, mouse, and keyboard. Oh, also, your Ring camera is an Xbox!..." That thing also murdered my Fibre router.... apparently everyone with my model of router has the same issue... "nice network stack you've got there! It would be a shame if something wuz to happen to it!" Do they design these things with only contract and temp workers (and AI) these days? Meanwhile, the PC master-race with it's (more) open ecosystem can be anything for anyone. Narrow (i.e. MS, Sony, Nintendo too?) consoles are just not worth the trouble, if you ask me. Add-in the new-economy issue of scalpers buying all the stock -- if the manufacturers and distributors don't address that, the market will collapse all the faster. Consoles are dead, long live Steam Machines and PCs!
"les machines à vapeur réussiront elles en 2025", thank you for the automatic translation RUclips, a Steam Machine is not a steam train 🤣 I thought maybe it would talk about steam powered consoles, with charcoal in it... Yep, not very environnemental friendly ^^'
We really need an official Steambox made by Valve. Only they could bring us the most bang for the buck by subsidizing the manufacturing costs thanks to their software sales. Asus et al. only make money off the hardware sales, so there isn't much room for them to cut into their profit margins.
If Valve wants more third party manufacturers to release their own SteamOS devices, Valve could offer a cut of software sales to them in some way. Not sure if this is in Valve's best interest, but yeah, releasing their own official Steam Box is really needed
I think it would be difficult to maintain a good working relationship with the other hardware manufacturers if you're simultaneously trying to undercut them with a direct incursion into the marketplace like that; I'd rather Valve spend the time and money perfecting SteamOS, Proton, and maintaining good relations with the hardware manufacturers.
@@ZestyAsTech Windows, but that's just for my current use case :) Btw, I upgraded the i3 to an i7 when I had first gotten it (which made a huge difference at the time). I don't game on it anymore, but it has been great as a box to run my game's server and other light always on applications. It died briefly when the motherboard battery needed to be replaced, but otherwise it just keeps on chuggin.
The only problem with the steam deck is that it doesn't ship everywhere only the United States excluding its territories, Europe, The UK and Asia through Komodo everywhere else it's screwed and have to get it through a scalper at a higher price or use through GameStop with the ladder sometimes being defective. So if they want to succeed with the steam machines then they need to be available everywhere even their flagship one if not they're going to fail again.
If you've already got a hand held like the Legion Go, or the ROG ally...and don't want to have to buy again for the Steam OS, install Linux Bazzite, It's a Linux gaming distro that will turn your device into a more powerful Steam deck, as it's essentially the same OS the Deck uses. I did just that on my Legion Go and it's way better than Windows on that device, and has a bit more horsepower under the hood than a Steam Deck.
True. It's a great solution for those who want to stick to Windows for gaming. As for Linux I think there needs to more of these game centric OS' and super front ends. Better yet Linux distros ought to have integrated *Game console modes* to the level of Bazzite (up to the users to install this or not)
At the time the Steam Machines were priced like PCs but only 25% of the Steam library had Linux support. So you pay the same amount as buying a new PC to only play 25% of your games, and there wasn't really anything new it offered. It was a bad deal. Steam Deck gives us a cheap way to play most of our PC library PORTABLY. So it offers a significant new feature, and it's cheap, and we can play most of our games. It's good value for money. What a SteamBox would do is provide a cheap way to play most of our PC games on a TV. Thr differences with the Steam Machines are being competitive on price, library size, user experience, and being part of a much more coherent ecosystem together with the Deck.
If you've ever tried something like Bazzite, "SteamOS" (if the term still applies!) probably makes more sense as a living room console than a handheld.
We need something, like SteamDeck, but on 30-40% more powerful and without screen/controller/etc. Just micro pc, that you can screw into VESA on your monitor and use without any tweaks
One problem though is anti cheats working with Linux properly because if these companies were to make their anti cheat programs work with Linux, then we could see more multiplayer games working on Steam OS 3.x.
Valve doesn't need to have the fastest machine, it just need to have the best "bang for the buck", having a good balance between price to performance. The Steam Deck isn't as fast as most other portables these days, but it has the right balance of performance, price and features, making it's cost/benefit the best option.
I'm a fairly basic gaming consumer, but I like the idea of a steam machine. I think though that they should be doing it all themselves, and making machines that are fully upgradeable in terms of RAM and GPU etc. so there is a spectrum of options. I also wish more games had cheat codes though.
The problem is that Valve is a software distribution company. If they can do away not having to make hardware, they would. However, more hardware that can purchase Steam library means more sales for those games. Thus, Valve will not discourage competition in the hardware business as long as they can seamlessly interact with the Steam Library.
What went wrong last time is that they left it to third party companies to actually build the machines. The price points were cooked and I never even saw one in the flesh. Just a bungled operation from start to finish. I hope they actually make a steam machine this time.
I'm more inclined to go first party. Love my Steam Deck, and it's basically my go-to gaming machine. However, if Valve released a first party, more powerful gaming PC? I'd jump on it. I'm sure other companies may make more powerful ones, but honestly I'd be fine with a machine that can reliably play every game on high at 1080p, maybe pushing it to 1440p.
Excellent video, BTW. Steam, at that time, fell into the STB carry-over from the late 80s and early 90s. Remember Set Top Box consoles made for television - sometimes known as media center consoles? Commodore Amiga was one of the first with its CDTV32 that flopped due to Commodore crashing and burning from market over saturation and commercial campaign shenanigans(along with such other similar devices like Phillips CD-I and the 3DO) . Well! That carried over into the new millennium with Stadia and OUYA which both suffered from limited power, bandwidth and titles. Steam may of flopped and learned but they went even further to build off of what worked and ditched what didn't - real evolution style. They're in it for the long haul by paying attention to the ecology (broader historical ecosystem) seeking practical diversity and allowing for long-term technical advancement and adaptation i.e. open source rather than proprietary software {Linux based} AND compensating for out dated planned obsolescence engineering by making hardware more easily repairable and upgradeable.
My problem with the steam deck is that its under powered for what I want out of a gaming PC. So 3rd party is much more interesting to me. I also don't think were going to see many first party hardware releases because the primary point of them isn't to be maximally profitable but to prove to 3rd party manufacturers that the idea works.
It won’t. They didn’t have Vulkan.api back then. It was left up to devs and gamers to figure out how run the 95% of windows games under linux. It was horrible experience. And the few game companies that had Linux ports, were often worst then windows version. Vulkan.api change all this. Vulkan made DX 10/11/12 game run often better then windows version. Steam os is built from ground up for pc gaming. Steam os 3x it’s built on Arch Linux. Where old steam os 1.0 was on Debian. It wasn’t great, and was learning lesson for Valve. Windows is NOT built for pc gaming. It was tacked on with window 95, and later DirectX. vulkan = open source. Windows 10/11 are not. DX 10/11/12 are all bloatware just like windows is. Pc gaming is better on steam deck. They are proof it works and steam os 3x is proof pc gaming is going be so much better, once both software and hardware vendors see steam os is better future. Finally in steam recommended os: steam os will be coming soon. Instead bloated windows 11 only bs.
I think the question is really "how do you get people to switch platforms?" You're not trying to win over PC gamers, you're trying to take console gamers away from pre-established names. Half Life 3 doesnt mean anything to some guy that plays Madden or Forza. I think what will push this console over the edge is if modding games on it is just as easy as it is on PC or the Steam Deck. If the console supports mods natively, Valve will take over the console market.
It wouldn't be any different than how it is on the Steam Deck. It's pretty much gonna be the same exact experience as with a docked Steam Deck, just plug and play. But I doubt that modding is such an important feature. Sure, there are great mods for some games... but overall?
It's been 4-5 years since my last computer upgrades, so I took advantage of the holiday sales to get a bit more current; a bit of a shame, since I may have waited had I known this. C'est a vie!
Not relying on Windows for PCs and not relying on underpowered hardware for the Steam Deck. One of the big issues with Linux is that it's not as easy as Windows to set up and doesn't have as much compatibility with games. Not using Windows can lead to lower hardware requirements for games as well, since Windows hogs way too many resources for junk that you don't actually need.
Modern PC have inadequate design for 2025. All this empty space and sagging components in giant cases were ok in 2005, but now it's outdated af. 5-10 litres PC are future for ppl, that aren't interested in pc, that drains 1+ kW of power
Depends on the price and hardware. How much will Valve subsidize the hardware to get more Steam cunstomers? If the price is too high and the hardware is too weak... I would just make my own Steam Machine. I made my own Steam Machine two years ago, I used a CPU I had from a broken PC and bought a mining used AMD RX 6600 for cheap. Paired it with Bazzite and a Steam Controller. I can easily change the CPU to something better like 5700X3D and buy a RX 7600 XT or 7800 XT.
@@Kmarksman It is cheap compared to a decent gaming PC, the hardware itself isn't what I would call cheap for those components. A Switch is a lot cheaper, and I wouldn't define those as cheap.
Pretty sure Valve will keep making the SteamDeck but think of all the physical longevity the Steam console will give to your Deck and there are some people who don't care for portable gaming or have the money to sink into a dedicated gaming PC.
Linux ought to have more Game centric OSs with controller usable super front ends.... or better yet certain LInux distros can have 'Game console modes' built deep in (up to users to install them or not)
I mean you already have that with bazzite OS. Main issues are hardware support ie nvidia. I think nvidia are getting better at this. Having more distros I think diswades the average user as they have too much choice, that it confuses them as to which is best for them that they just dont bother and stick to windows. I think having proper steam OS with brand recognition and great hardware support is the way to go but its again up to the hardware manufacturers to make good drivers for linux or support open source community drivers being made. What needs to happen is a higher Linux adoption rate so companies actually develop with Linux in mind. So if we could get the average user onto say Steam OS more companies would step up and recognize Linux. Then all this would filter down to the other distros making the time of the power users more enjoyable also.
@@screwball992 Bazzite, ChimeraOS, NobaraOs-deck, CachyOS-deck, Garuda and many more. The only thing game devs needs to do is to run their games through Proton before launch, optimize it so it works. No need for native games anymore. Having a lot of distro's is one of the things I like about Linux desktop OS's. SteamOS will not save you from Windows. Installing and using Linux will. Try out many different distro's and images. Don't run back to Windows when the first problem appears. Stop playing anti-cheat games, enjoy what you can play.
@@Kennethlnor don't get me wrong I'm thankful for proton but it shouldn't only be what Linux is all about. I'd much prefer native programs rather than having to use a compatibility layer for every single program. Proton in my eyes is just a thing to get us to the point of adoption where it's more viable for companies to make native programs and drivers. It shouldn't be Linux's future to just be a windows clone. Unfortunately the average user isn't going to spend time trouble shooting things that just work on windows. It's okay for the power user but for some, time is money and they ain't spending doing it if it's not their cup of tea. I think Linux is getting better with that but if again we're talking about Steam OS or bazzite which for the most part work straight out of the box there's less stress for that average user. For most it's unfortunate but in most cases convenience will always win.
@@screwball992 They tried that. Porting games to Linux, making native games. It's to much work to do for 1-2% of their customers. Many years ago before Proton, one game dev or one of the companies who ported Windows games to Linux said that 90% of the complaints, PR's and bug repporting came from the few percent that used Linux. I rather want game devs to consentrate on the game and not on Linux native games. Linux is not for normies. Most normal PC users(the average user) have never installed Windows. They buy a prebuilt PC with Windows on it. SteamOS, Bazzite and Linux in general will not be the a desktop OS for the general public. What codeweavers did with Wine and Proton is amazing. I built my first PC in 2018 with i5-8400 and RX 580 8GB. I made a Steam account that year and I used Ubuntu MATE. I only bought the Valve package with HL. The difference between 2018 and 2024 is huge. Sometimes I forget to check protondb to see if the game works before I purchase it. I get a lot of free or cheap games from Epic, GoG, Prime and Humble Choice. Todays free Epic game was [REDACTED]. One Protondb review for the Steam Deck. I installed it with Wine-GE-Latest and it just worked.
Controller support Controller support Controller support PC games need to have full controllers support developed from the start going forward if PCs are going to finally leave the desk.
If the price is good and the companies don't go crazy launching a bunch of models i think they can succeed. That being said, i highly doubt they will, its likely they'll release a bunch of models with a bunch of different price point and performance, and they value won't be there unless Steam themselves sell the hardware, this is just by a simple fact, companies like Sony and Microsoft can sell consoles with little margin or even at a loss cause they will get money from software sales. Steam machines being sold by other companies must make a decent profit to make sense. And at that point it's better to just buy yourself your own PC custom to your budget and needs
Without a Steam OS console, Sony have the market to themselves now Xbox are focusing on cloud gaming and stepping away from hardware. Valve could give Sony the competition it needs to keep them in check.
2025 is too soon. They should time it right to have stronger hardware than MS and Sony’s next-gen consoles, rather than being perceived as less powerful. Nintendo’s IP lets them get away with older hardware, but Valve can’t play that game. I’m looking forward to it though, Steam and Switch are all I need.
If Valve can get Intel in on making their newer GPUs (which have proven to be a lot better than expected) available on linux, that'll be big ol' feather as AMD is already on board. This might give team Green the swift kick needed to get linux drivers properly working for their GTX line.
STILL an issue with lots of *PC games NOT having full controller support* developed in - namely RTS. The whole KB/M elitism nonsense has to got to end if PCs want to dominate the living AND with **Handheld** gaming PCs looking to be the major way PC gamers will play their games in a few years.
They will only succeed if valve makes a dedicated machine. Steam deck was a success because they decided to cut the cost of it and make back their revenue through their games. if they rely on 3rd party, they will try to profit.
@ good question. For me the biggest reason to get an steam deck over let's say a pc is the ease of use from a much more stream lined OS and user experience almost console like, basically 0 tinkering from out of the Box. And the reason to get it over a steam deck is better performance and maybe easier upgradability.
Why I think the Steam Machines will fail again IF they actually release and why I think the Steamdeck will be gone within 5 or so years: Three years in and the Steamdeck is still estimated to be well under 8 million units sold (likely less since the trajectory was just 3 million by the end of 2023) at a moderately high price point while the Switch is ending its 7 year run with 150~ million units sold at a moderate price point while the PS5 is sitting at 65.5 million units sold at its half way (maybe?) mark with a moderately high price point. The competition in the PC handheld space is getting more competitive (the Ally X is my favorite at the moment) and Bazzite provides PC handheld users a way to have a console-like experience with their Windows 11 centric handhelds. Also the Switch 2 is just around the corner and the PS5 is selling extremely well while further building its IPs brands via TV shows and seemingly ready to start releasing long overdue first party titles from its marquee studios. I just don't see how a Steam machine can win over people who are outside of the few million people who bought a Steamdeck. I honestly don't see Valve being in hardware five years from now. I know the irrational fans will ignore those numbers, but that's what decides business decisions; numbers. If both PlayStation and Xbox actually release dedicated hardware that's both forward~ and backwards compatible, I think Valve's hardware ambitions will forever be crushed.
Millions Steam Deck sold is millions more than previous Steam Machine. Microsoft would not stop in converting Windows to walled garden. Valve has no choice but to provide alternative if they want to stay in business. Steam Machines would be not revolution but an option to people alienated by Windows. This option also keeps Microsoft in check. And Microsoft never stops to alienate its users.
@@sergeykishMicrosoft is failing without Valve doing anything. Xbox has lost the majority of its gamers to PlayStation the past two generations and Windows is (slowly) being chipped away by Mac OS and to a much lesser extent, Linux based OS (I'm on Ubuntu and Pop OS). Also, a couple million more than the last couple of million is still selling a fraction of a fraction of what your direct competitors are selling, which is bad for direct developer support (which has fallen, but Proton is easing that issue). If the Xbox (that's estimated to be around 30 million units sold) is losing money with each hardware being sold still, then that's definitely the case for the Steamdeck. The economics of selling dedicated gaming hardware isn't adding up to something positive for the Steamdeck when you realize both the last gen and current gen Xbox, Sega Dreamcast and Vita outperformed the Steamdeck.
@@AgentZeroNine1 Windows lost to Android but still dominates PC. Microsoft can lock PC to Windows if not kept in check. Switching to Linux would require buying hardware that's much costlier than hardware supported by Windows. Microsoft Store apps can't be executed on Linux. Running them bring same issues as Nintendo emulation. Converting Windows to walled garden means end to Steam business. The economics is obvious. Linux is very close to both loosing and winning PC.
I dont think rhey can launch a home console until they get 3rd party launchers and anti cheat under control. The number of times ubisoft and EA have broken their launchers on the steam deck is untenable on a console.
I think it needs to be a complete OS. Im very tiered of Microsoft and Google (and Apple). So if you can do most things, not only game on the SteamOS, then I would switch as soon as possible. Giving linux a chans in the mainstream. Then you have a switch where you can use a streamlined version. So Then I can use it as a console OS for a small form pc connected to my tv and have it as a full media interface, but still be able to use it as my OS on my main pc
It is a complete OS. You switch to desktop mode and it’s a full KDE desktop environment. Anything you can do on a regular Linux PC, you can do in SteamOS
I guess they try but knowing it not easy to set up. They knew it was not easy job to do OS and hardware. But at least it get those developer on linux in some degree. Still it promote small hardware by this effect. Without them. It would be laptop and desktop. It just guess work. Since those people believe in small compact pc will work well for normal people.
I just don't see a valid business model here. Consoles make their money by selling inferior versions of games at higher prices than PC versions. S team machine does not have that profit making capability. In order for it to be profitable, it cannot lose money on the hardware meaning it will be about as expensive as a PC. While some may people may buy that, I don't think it will ever be a profitable model.
They still don't need to make as much money on hardware sales as something like Alienware. They won't be able to sell as cheap as an Xbox series S but it will still be very appealing to someone that already has a steam library or someone that wants a desktop alongside a console even at a higher price point
@@Pereza0i want something like Xbox series S with SteamOS, maybe for 500$. I literally don't need windows for anything but compatibility with games. All my software is anyway open source, like GIMP/LibreOffice
I absolutely hate windows. I am forced to use it a few times a week for work because of applications that are only for windows. That is why i love my steam deck. It lets me play windows games and i dont need windows to do it. I understand any linux machine is capable in wine but is it mostly for advanced users.
Dampfmaschinen werden im Jahr 2025 keine große Rolle mehr spielen, da sie durch effizientere und umweltfreundlichere Technologien wie elektrische und erneuerbare Energiesysteme weitgehend ersetzt wurden. Ihre Nutzung beschränkt sich auf historische, museale oder sehr spezialisierte Anwendungen.
Steam deck is a "huge success"... It's sold probably less than 3 million, which is tiny. Dont assume they will be able to rival Nintendo or PlayStation in either domain. They sell over 100 million units.
@kuhpunkt that the metrics for success are so different. The reason Valve has to depend on other manufacturers is because they have no economies of scale and the reason PlayStation is able to grow so massive is because they dont depend on the hardware to make money alone, they recoup through the store, exclusives and subscriptions, as well as accessories and other areas. Steam deck is a nice little niche product but the minute they seriously try to compete against PlayStation, they'll get their heads busted in.
@@bryanking1428 How are they depending on other manufacturers? They made the Steam Deck themselves and they could do that with a new Steam Machine as well. Valve also doesn't depend on hardware to make money. They make money with Steam. And Valve already competes with Playstation. They have been for 2 decades now.
@kuhpunkt not directly. Yes, they made about 3 million in 4-5 years. That's not competing on a hardware level. It would be hilarious to see them try to make over 50 million units... Even Microsoft gave up and they have more money than anyone.
Valve can set the minimum controllers standards for Gaming PCs (additions not substitutions) - additional 4 x M buttons = macro buttons, shft + ctrl - additional 8 x N buttons = keyboard 1~8 number keys - 8 small nubs top of the controller - additional 2 x trackpads = Desktop navigation.
I still dont think itll take off. Why would I as a steam deck user buy ANOTHER steamOS device when i can just dock my steam deck to a TV already. They need a dock with a GPU or something to boost the deck or just a Deck 2.
everyone knew what steam was at the time as it was ALREADY the gaming platform on PC by that time with millions of users.. the problem was what was stated in the video.. proton did not exist thus hardly any games were on Linux at the time and WINE which proton is based on was a far cry from what proton is now
Please get rid of these autotranslations. The title was in German and said: "will locomotives become successful"
"steam machines" 😅
Will locomotives make a comeback?
If it wasn't for the use of coal, they may be great environmentally friendly transportation.
i don't think he can.
@@AdmiralBison Any combustion engine has pretty bad efficiency. So no, steam engines would not be environmentally friendly, even without using coal.
Google opts you in by default, I’m going to get that turned off. Didn’t think it would be that bad 😄
Now it changed to:
🇩🇪 "Werden Dampfmaschinen im Jahr 2025 endlich erfolgreich sein."
🇬🇧 "Will (stationary) steam engines finally be successful in 2025?" 😂
Valve working with Lenovo is a risk free endeavor for them. The only one at risk with that partnership is Lenovo. Even if Lenovo succeeds in eating into the steam deck sales, it's still a win for Valve because their primary revenue source is selling software. They're goal is to spread steam os and lock more people into the steam ecosystem which would boost software sales.
I recently got a ROG Ally as part of a package deal -- I'd been thinking I might replace my laptop altogether with one of these new handhelds... wow, I'm so glad I didn't go that route.... I find the Ally to be super-clunky, what with Windows/MyAsus/ArmouryCrate/X, Y, Z, libraries, etc.... I'd be kicking myself trying to use that in lieu of an actual laptop.
I haven't tried a SteamDeck, but with the integrated OS, I would expect it to be a smoother user experience....
I'm also fairly certain all these SteamOS devices will also support Lutris, no? So if you *do* have other libraries, you can still use them!
@@JackDraak Try putting Bazzite on that Ally
Doesn't really work, it's a nice addition to your laptop @@JackDraak
And that win for Valve is a win for Linux.
@@JackDraak I use Heroic Games Launcher for my GoG, Epic and Prime games. When I install one of these games on my Rog Ally it gets added to my Steam Library.
More than I want Valve to succeed, I wanted MORE for Linux as a gaming platform to succeed. So thank you valve for making linux a worthy options for gamers out there
Proton will be a huge factor this time, being able to play a large part of currently existing libraries will make adoption more viable for more people.
in other hand, having first party hardware, gives games developer a target to develop for, Linux is an entire universe of configurations and variations, but having a Steam-first setup, makes it easier for developers.
a large part is an understatement, it is literally almost everything on the library except for some very old unsupported games (not even supported on current windows), then the ultra competitive titles with their kernel level anti cheats, and some indies that barely run even on windows, aside from those, proton runs literally 95% (or more) of steam library AND the other launchers, like epic, hoyo, origin, rockstar launcher, etc.
@@mrxmgs3768 They don't target hardware today, why should they even think about 2% of the Steam users using Linux? You can't run some of the newest AAA games on highest settings without turning on DLSS, frame gen and res. scaling on a beefy PC with a 4090 and 9800X3D.
@@mrxmgs3768 well popular games like gta doesn't work so i guess piracy will help it then?
It's what makes Steam the best thing that has EVER happened to Linux gaming.
Please, Valve, define a minimum standard configuration.
Isn't that what the Steam Deck is?
@@Lestibournesgiven how it's a custom chipset, idk if it will be avaiable to other manufacturers
@@Nandru85 it's still just a standard PC
@@Lestibournes in the same way a ps5 is a pc
@@Nandru85 A PS5 has a completely different operating system and no support for Windows software.
If Valve wants to get console users to use Steam, then its a good idea they have their own first-party hardware as it will be a plug and play solution.
Its crazy to see how far technology itself has come since 2015, integrated graphics in current AMD processors are able to run heavy hitters like cyberpunk BG3 and RDR2, pretty smoothly granted as long as you lower the settings and resolution accordingly.
Not to mention other new technologies like FSR and AFMF that only further improve performance, it's like all the pieces have fallen in place not only to make steam machines viable, but to make PC gaming itself the most accessible it's been in a while.
No kidding! I had recently picked-up an Xbox Series-X no-disc console, thinking it would be a plug-and-play experience (my last console was a PS-3... more than a decade ago). My money was much better spent after returning that proprietary box....
"Your TV is an Xbox! Your Phone is an Xbox! Your PC is an Xbox!... Oh, you bought an actual Xbox? Well you'll also need Xbox devices, eg. it will ignore your flight-stick, mouse, and keyboard. Oh, also, your Ring camera is an Xbox!..."
That thing also murdered my Fibre router.... apparently everyone with my model of router has the same issue... "nice network stack you've got there! It would be a shame if something wuz to happen to it!"
Do they design these things with only contract and temp workers (and AI) these days?
Meanwhile, the PC master-race with it's (more) open ecosystem can be anything for anyone. Narrow (i.e. MS, Sony, Nintendo too?) consoles are just not worth the trouble, if you ask me. Add-in the new-economy issue of scalpers buying all the stock -- if the manufacturers and distributors don't address that, the market will collapse all the faster.
Consoles are dead, long live Steam Machines and PCs!
"les machines à vapeur réussiront elles en 2025", thank you for the automatic translation RUclips, a Steam Machine is not a steam train 🤣 I thought maybe it would talk about steam powered consoles, with charcoal in it... Yep, not very environnemental friendly ^^'
And the Steam Punk crowd gets all excited until they realize that that's not what they meant. Sign! 😅
We really need an official Steambox made by Valve. Only they could bring us the most bang for the buck by subsidizing the manufacturing costs thanks to their software sales. Asus et al. only make money off the hardware sales, so there isn't much room for them to cut into their profit margins.
Agreed
If Valve wants more third party manufacturers to release their own SteamOS devices, Valve could offer a cut of software sales to them in some way. Not sure if this is in Valve's best interest, but yeah, releasing their own official Steam Box is really needed
Steambox? Steamstation? nah.. Steam uhh tank?? boat??? steam…………………….. uh machine,.
I think it would be difficult to maintain a good working relationship with the other hardware manufacturers if you're simultaneously trying to undercut them with a direct incursion into the marketplace like that; I'd rather Valve spend the time and money perfecting SteamOS, Proton, and maintaining good relations with the hardware manufacturers.
My Alienware Alpha is still running to this day.
Do you have it running windows or Steam OS?
@@ZestyAsTech Windows, but that's just for my current use case :) Btw, I upgraded the i3 to an i7 when I had first gotten it (which made a huge difference at the time). I don't game on it anymore, but it has been great as a box to run my game's server and other light always on applications. It died briefly when the motherboard battery needed to be replaced, but otherwise it just keeps on chuggin.
The only problem with the steam deck is that it doesn't ship everywhere only the United States excluding its territories, Europe, The UK and Asia through Komodo everywhere else it's screwed and have to get it through a scalper at a higher price or use through GameStop with the ladder sometimes being defective. So if they want to succeed with the steam machines then they need to be available everywhere even their flagship one if not they're going to fail again.
If you've already got a hand held like the Legion Go, or the ROG ally...and don't want to have to buy again for the Steam OS, install Linux Bazzite, It's a Linux gaming distro that will turn your device into a more powerful Steam deck, as it's essentially the same OS the Deck uses. I did just that on my Legion Go and it's way better than Windows on that device, and has a bit more horsepower under the hood than a Steam Deck.
True. It's a great solution for those who want to stick to Windows for gaming.
As for Linux I think there needs to more of these game centric OS' and super front ends.
Better yet Linux distros ought to have integrated *Game console modes* to the level of Bazzite (up to the users to install this or not)
Bazzite is not a distro 😉
Bazzite is not the same as SteamOS.
SteamOS is an immutable Arch distro. Bazzite is an image based on Fedora Atomic desktop.
@@AdmiralBison Most Linux users don't use Steam or game at all.
At the time the Steam Machines were priced like PCs but only 25% of the Steam library had Linux support. So you pay the same amount as buying a new PC to only play 25% of your games, and there wasn't really anything new it offered. It was a bad deal.
Steam Deck gives us a cheap way to play most of our PC library PORTABLY. So it offers a significant new feature, and it's cheap, and we can play most of our games. It's good value for money.
What a SteamBox would do is provide a cheap way to play most of our PC games on a TV. Thr differences with the Steam Machines are being competitive on price, library size, user experience, and being part of a much more coherent ecosystem together with the Deck.
The thing is tho you can play steam games on a tv, a steam box is laughably easy to get running
@originzz regular people are looking for plug and play, not and IT project.
this time steam os and proton are way more matured than 10 years ago i can see this be successful
If you've ever tried something like Bazzite, "SteamOS" (if the term still applies!) probably makes more sense as a living room console than a handheld.
We need something, like SteamDeck, but on 30-40% more powerful and without screen/controller/etc. Just micro pc, that you can screw into VESA on your monitor and use without any tweaks
One problem though is anti cheats working with Linux properly because if these companies were to make their anti cheat programs work with Linux, then we could see more multiplayer games working on Steam OS 3.x.
Valve doesn't need to have the fastest machine, it just need to have the best "bang for the buck", having a good balance between price to performance. The Steam Deck isn't as fast as most other portables these days, but it has the right balance of performance, price and features, making it's cost/benefit the best option.
I'm a fairly basic gaming consumer, but I like the idea of a steam machine. I think though that they should be doing it all themselves, and making machines that are fully upgradeable in terms of RAM and GPU etc. so there is a spectrum of options. I also wish more games had cheat codes though.
The problem is that Valve is a software distribution company. If they can do away not having to make hardware, they would. However, more hardware that can purchase Steam library means more sales for those games. Thus, Valve will not discourage competition in the hardware business as long as they can seamlessly interact with the Steam Library.
What went wrong last time is that they left it to third party companies to actually build the machines. The price points were cooked and I never even saw one in the flesh. Just a bungled operation from start to finish.
I hope they actually make a steam machine this time.
I'm more inclined to go first party. Love my Steam Deck, and it's basically my go-to gaming machine. However, if Valve released a first party, more powerful gaming PC? I'd jump on it. I'm sure other companies may make more powerful ones, but honestly I'd be fine with a machine that can reliably play every game on high at 1080p, maybe pushing it to 1440p.
For some people sales lower than consoles will be enough to call it a failure
Excellent video, BTW. Steam, at that time, fell into the STB carry-over from the late 80s and early 90s. Remember Set Top Box consoles made for television - sometimes known as media center consoles? Commodore Amiga was one of the first with its CDTV32 that flopped due to Commodore crashing and burning from market over saturation and commercial campaign shenanigans(along with such other similar devices like Phillips CD-I and the 3DO) . Well! That carried over into the new millennium with Stadia and OUYA which both suffered from limited power, bandwidth and titles. Steam may of flopped and learned but they went even further to build off of what worked and ditched what didn't - real evolution style. They're in it for the long haul by paying attention to the ecology (broader historical ecosystem) seeking practical diversity and allowing for long-term technical advancement and adaptation i.e. open source rather than proprietary software {Linux based} AND compensating for out dated planned obsolescence engineering by making hardware more easily repairable and upgradeable.
My problem with the steam deck is that its under powered for what I want out of a gaming PC. So 3rd party is much more interesting to me. I also don't think were going to see many first party hardware releases because the primary point of them isn't to be maximally profitable but to prove to 3rd party manufacturers that the idea works.
I think if they want, they would sell more than Xbox. 😂
They need to get the hardware out of their Steam Store and into ordenary electronics shops.
Dampfmaschinen in 2025 ist crazy
It won’t. They didn’t have Vulkan.api back then. It was left up to devs and gamers to figure out how run the 95% of windows games under linux. It was horrible experience. And the few game companies that had Linux ports, were often worst then windows version.
Vulkan.api change all this. Vulkan made DX 10/11/12 game run often better then windows version. Steam os is built from ground up for pc gaming. Steam os 3x it’s built on Arch Linux. Where old steam os 1.0 was on Debian. It wasn’t great, and was learning lesson for Valve.
Windows is NOT built for pc gaming. It was tacked on with window 95, and later DirectX.
vulkan = open source. Windows 10/11 are not. DX 10/11/12 are all bloatware just like windows is.
Pc gaming is better on steam deck. They are proof it works and steam os 3x is proof pc gaming is going be so much better, once both software and hardware vendors see steam os is better future.
Finally in steam recommended os: steam os will be coming soon. Instead bloated windows 11 only bs.
I think the question is really "how do you get people to switch platforms?"
You're not trying to win over PC gamers, you're trying to take console gamers away from pre-established names. Half Life 3 doesnt mean anything to some guy that plays Madden or Forza.
I think what will push this console over the edge is if modding games on it is just as easy as it is on PC or the Steam Deck. If the console supports mods natively, Valve will take over the console market.
It wouldn't be any different than how it is on the Steam Deck. It's pretty much gonna be the same exact experience as with a docked Steam Deck, just plug and play.
But I doubt that modding is such an important feature. Sure, there are great mods for some games... but overall?
they should limit the hardware that ships with Steam OS, so that they have more control.
an updated steam controller so i can use the steamdeck docked at my tv would be great.
It's been 4-5 years since my last computer upgrades, so I took advantage of the holiday sales to get a bit more current; a bit of a shame, since I may have waited had I known this. C'est a vie!
What's the point of a steam machine when you could just play on your pc when you're home or just connect your steam deck to a dock?
Not everyone wants a handheld and its dock to get the steam os experience.
Not relying on Windows for PCs and not relying on underpowered hardware for the Steam Deck.
One of the big issues with Linux is that it's not as easy as Windows to set up and doesn't have as much compatibility with games.
Not using Windows can lead to lower hardware requirements for games as well, since Windows hogs way too many resources for junk that you don't actually need.
Preinstalled SteamOS on hardware supported by Valve. Higher TDP than Steam Deck.
Modern PC have inadequate design for 2025. All this empty space and sagging components in giant cases were ok in 2005, but now it's outdated af. 5-10 litres PC are future for ppl, that aren't interested in pc, that drains 1+ kW of power
first party is real way to go
Depends on the price and hardware. How much will Valve subsidize the hardware to get more Steam cunstomers? If the price is too high and the hardware is too weak... I would just make my own Steam Machine. I made my own Steam Machine two years ago, I used a CPU I had from a broken PC and bought a mining used AMD RX 6600 for cheap. Paired it with Bazzite and a Steam Controller. I can easily change the CPU to something better like 5700X3D and buy a RX 7600 XT or 7800 XT.
The only chance it has is if it is way cheaper than an equivalent PC, and so far with the all hardware Valve have worked on, it has never been cheap.
the steam deck is cheap
@@Kmarksman It is cheap compared to a decent gaming PC, the hardware itself isn't what I would call cheap for those components. A Switch is a lot cheaper, and I wouldn't define those as cheap.
dude we have the steamdeck, just keep making those.
Pretty sure Valve will keep making the SteamDeck but think of all the physical longevity the Steam console will give to your Deck and there are some people who don't care for portable gaming or have the money to sink into a dedicated gaming PC.
the steam deck isn't powerful enough...
Linux ought to have more Game centric OSs with controller usable super front ends....
or better yet certain LInux distros can have 'Game console modes' built deep in (up to users to install them or not)
I mean you already have that with bazzite OS. Main issues are hardware support ie nvidia. I think nvidia are getting better at this.
Having more distros I think diswades the average user as they have too much choice, that it confuses them as to which is best for them that they just dont bother and stick to windows.
I think having proper steam OS with brand recognition and great hardware support is the way to go but its again up to the hardware manufacturers to make good drivers for linux or support open source community drivers being made.
What needs to happen is a higher Linux adoption rate so companies actually develop with Linux in mind. So if we could get the average user onto say Steam OS more companies would step up and recognize Linux. Then all this would filter down to the other distros making the time of the power users more enjoyable also.
@@screwball992 Bazzite, ChimeraOS, NobaraOs-deck, CachyOS-deck, Garuda and many more.
The only thing game devs needs to do is to run their games through Proton before launch, optimize it so it works. No need for native games anymore.
Having a lot of distro's is one of the things I like about Linux desktop OS's.
SteamOS will not save you from Windows. Installing and using Linux will. Try out many different distro's and images. Don't run back to Windows when the first problem appears. Stop playing anti-cheat games, enjoy what you can play.
@@Kennethlnor don't get me wrong I'm thankful for proton but it shouldn't only be what Linux is all about. I'd much prefer native programs rather than having to use a compatibility layer for every single program. Proton in my eyes is just a thing to get us to the point of adoption where it's more viable for companies to make native programs and drivers. It shouldn't be Linux's future to just be a windows clone.
Unfortunately the average user isn't going to spend time trouble shooting things that just work on windows. It's okay for the power user but for some, time is money and they ain't spending doing it if it's not their cup of tea. I think Linux is getting better with that but if again we're talking about Steam OS or bazzite which for the most part work straight out of the box there's less stress for that average user. For most it's unfortunate but in most cases convenience will always win.
@@screwball992 They tried that. Porting games to Linux, making native games. It's to much work to do for 1-2% of their customers. Many years ago before Proton, one game dev or one of the companies who ported Windows games to Linux said that 90% of the complaints, PR's and bug repporting came from the few percent that used Linux.
I rather want game devs to consentrate on the game and not on Linux native games.
Linux is not for normies. Most normal PC users(the average user) have never installed Windows. They buy a prebuilt PC with Windows on it. SteamOS, Bazzite and Linux in general will not be the a desktop OS for the general public.
What codeweavers did with Wine and Proton is amazing. I built my first PC in 2018 with i5-8400 and RX 580 8GB. I made a Steam account that year and I used Ubuntu MATE. I only bought the Valve package with HL. The difference between 2018 and 2024 is huge. Sometimes I forget to check protondb to see if the game works before I purchase it. I get a lot of free or cheap games from Epic, GoG, Prime and Humble Choice.
Todays free Epic game was [REDACTED]. One Protondb review for the Steam Deck. I installed it with Wine-GE-Latest and it just worked.
should be fine. i been playing exclusively on linux for 3 years and most games work just fine.
Controller support
Controller support
Controller support
PC games need to have full controllers support developed from the start going forward if PCs are going to finally leave the desk.
If the price is good and the companies don't go crazy launching a bunch of models i think they can succeed. That being said, i highly doubt they will, its likely they'll release a bunch of models with a bunch of different price point and performance, and they value won't be there unless Steam themselves sell the hardware, this is just by a simple fact, companies like Sony and Microsoft can sell consoles with little margin or even at a loss cause they will get money from software sales. Steam machines being sold by other companies must make a decent profit to make sense. And at that point it's better to just buy yourself your own PC custom to your budget and needs
Without a Steam OS console, Sony have the market to themselves now Xbox are focusing on cloud gaming and stepping away from hardware. Valve could give Sony the competition it needs to keep them in check.
We need this to succeed esp with whats going on with the microsoft.
2025 is too soon. They should time it right to have stronger hardware than MS and Sony’s next-gen consoles, rather than being perceived as less powerful. Nintendo’s IP lets them get away with older hardware, but Valve can’t play that game.
I’m looking forward to it though, Steam and Switch are all I need.
If Valve can get Intel in on making their newer GPUs (which have proven to be a lot better than expected) available on linux, that'll be big ol' feather as AMD is already on board. This might give team Green the swift kick needed to get linux drivers properly working for their GTX line.
I hadn’t thought about Intel, but that would be huge!
First Party always for me personally as long its first Gen of 3rd Party Offers.
STILL an issue with lots of *PC games NOT having full controller support* developed in - namely RTS.
The whole KB/M elitism nonsense has to got to end if PCs want to dominate the living AND with **Handheld** gaming PCs looking to be the major way PC gamers will play their games in a few years.
They will only succeed if valve makes a dedicated machine. Steam deck was a success because they decided to cut the cost of it and make back their revenue through their games. if they rely on 3rd party, they will try to profit.
I believe it can succeed, steam deck is a very successful steam machine with a screen attached to it.
Why play on a steam machine when you could just play on your pc or steam deck?
@ good question. For me the biggest reason to get an steam deck over let's say a pc is the ease of use from a much more stream lined OS and user experience almost console like, basically 0 tinkering from out of the Box. And the reason to get it over a steam deck is better performance and maybe easier upgradability.
@tomosima1992 I play games in my windows pc how much tinkering do you have to do on your pc?
@@tomosima1992 Can you upgrade Xbox or PS consoles? A Steam Machine needs to be custom not a box with PC parts.
Why I think the Steam Machines will fail again IF they actually release and why I think the Steamdeck will be gone within 5 or so years:
Three years in and the Steamdeck is still estimated to be well under 8 million units sold (likely less since the trajectory was just 3 million by the end of 2023) at a moderately high price point while the Switch is ending its 7 year run with 150~ million units sold at a moderate price point while the PS5 is sitting at 65.5 million units sold at its half way (maybe?) mark with a moderately high price point.
The competition in the PC handheld space is getting more competitive (the Ally X is my favorite at the moment) and Bazzite provides PC handheld users a way to have a console-like experience with their Windows 11 centric handhelds.
Also the Switch 2 is just around the corner and the PS5 is selling extremely well while further building its IPs brands via TV shows and seemingly ready to start releasing long overdue first party titles from its marquee studios. I just don't see how a Steam machine can win over people who are outside of the few million people who bought a Steamdeck. I honestly don't see Valve being in hardware five years from now. I know the irrational fans will ignore those numbers, but that's what decides business decisions; numbers.
If both PlayStation and Xbox actually release dedicated hardware that's both forward~ and backwards compatible, I think Valve's hardware ambitions will forever be crushed.
Millions Steam Deck sold is millions more than previous Steam Machine. Microsoft would not stop in converting Windows to walled garden. Valve has no choice but to provide alternative if they want to stay in business.
Steam Machines would be not revolution but an option to people alienated by Windows. This option also keeps Microsoft in check. And Microsoft never stops to alienate its users.
@@sergeykishMicrosoft is failing without Valve doing anything. Xbox has lost the majority of its gamers to PlayStation the past two generations and Windows is (slowly) being chipped away by Mac OS and to a much lesser extent, Linux based OS (I'm on Ubuntu and Pop OS).
Also, a couple million more than the last couple of million is still selling a fraction of a fraction of what your direct competitors are selling, which is bad for direct developer support (which has fallen, but Proton is easing that issue). If the Xbox (that's estimated to be around 30 million units sold) is losing money with each hardware being sold still, then that's definitely the case for the Steamdeck. The economics of selling dedicated gaming hardware isn't adding up to something positive for the Steamdeck when you realize both the last gen and current gen Xbox, Sega Dreamcast and Vita outperformed the Steamdeck.
@@AgentZeroNine1 Windows lost to Android but still dominates PC. Microsoft can lock PC to Windows if not kept in check. Switching to Linux would require buying hardware that's much costlier than hardware supported by Windows.
Microsoft Store apps can't be executed on Linux. Running them bring same issues as Nintendo emulation. Converting Windows to walled garden means end to Steam business. The economics is obvious.
Linux is very close to both loosing and winning PC.
I dont think rhey can launch a home console until they get 3rd party launchers and anti cheat under control. The number of times ubisoft and EA have broken their launchers on the steam deck is untenable on a console.
they should start with a mini pc with a real GPU, a la the Minisforum HG100X, then make a more powerful 4k version.
I think it needs to be a complete OS. Im very tiered of Microsoft and Google (and Apple). So if you can do most things, not only game on the SteamOS, then I would switch as soon as possible. Giving linux a chans in the mainstream.
Then you have a switch where you can use a streamlined version. So Then I can use it as a console OS for a small form pc connected to my tv and have it as a full media interface, but still be able to use it as my OS on my main pc
Valve will not make something like that. More likely something the community would make
It is a complete OS. You switch to desktop mode and it’s a full KDE desktop environment. Anything you can do on a regular Linux PC, you can do in SteamOS
@@jabur81 wow! If thats true it would be amazing!
I guess they try but knowing it not easy to set up. They knew it was not easy job to do OS and hardware. But at least it get those developer on linux in some degree. Still it promote small hardware by this effect. Without them. It would be laptop and desktop. It just guess work. Since those people believe in small compact pc will work well for normal people.
I just don't see a valid business model here. Consoles make their money by selling inferior versions of games at higher prices than PC versions. S team machine does not have that profit making capability. In order for it to be profitable, it cannot lose money on the hardware meaning it will be about as expensive as a PC. While some may people may buy that, I don't think it will ever be a profitable model.
They still don't need to make as much money on hardware sales as something like Alienware. They won't be able to sell as cheap as an Xbox series S but it will still be very appealing to someone that already has a steam library or someone that wants a desktop alongside a console even at a higher price point
@@Pereza0i want something like Xbox series S with SteamOS, maybe for 500$. I literally don't need windows for anything but compatibility with games. All my software is anyway open source, like GIMP/LibreOffice
I absolutely hate windows. I am forced to use it a few times a week for work because of applications that are only for windows. That is why i love my steam deck. It lets me play windows games and i dont need windows to do it.
I understand any linux machine is capable in wine but is it mostly for advanced users.
Dampfmaschinen werden im Jahr 2025 keine große Rolle mehr spielen, da sie durch effizientere und umweltfreundlichere Technologien wie elektrische und erneuerbare Energiesysteme weitgehend ersetzt wurden. Ihre Nutzung beschränkt sich auf historische, museale oder sehr spezialisierte Anwendungen.
;P
Console is dead.
Those poor fools still using them will move to steam machine consoles.
It’s the future.
Steam deck is a "huge success"... It's sold probably less than 3 million, which is tiny. Dont assume they will be able to rival Nintendo or PlayStation in either domain. They sell over 100 million units.
your point is what exactly
@kuhpunkt that the metrics for success are so different. The reason Valve has to depend on other manufacturers is because they have no economies of scale and the reason PlayStation is able to grow so massive is because they dont depend on the hardware to make money alone, they recoup through the store, exclusives and subscriptions, as well as accessories and other areas. Steam deck is a nice little niche product but the minute they seriously try to compete against PlayStation, they'll get their heads busted in.
@@bryanking1428 How are they depending on other manufacturers? They made the Steam Deck themselves and they could do that with a new Steam Machine as well.
Valve also doesn't depend on hardware to make money. They make money with Steam.
And Valve already competes with Playstation. They have been for 2 decades now.
@kuhpunkt not directly. Yes, they made about 3 million in 4-5 years. That's not competing on a hardware level. It would be hilarious to see them try to make over 50 million units... Even Microsoft gave up and they have more money than anyone.
@@bryanking1428 why do you focus on hardware sales numbers?
Les Machines à vapeur réussiront elles enfin en 2025😂😂😂 retour dans le futur !
In French is: Will the Steam Engines finally succeed in 2025😂😂
*Christ! I got one of those Steam controllers. They absolutely suck.*
The old version that got discontinued had some major issues. I’m hoping that the new one coming out will be much better
@@ZestyAsTech As long as they don't have the terrible bumper placement on the back.
Hopefully
No reason to buy this when you have a ps5 that does everything better
why are you like this
wwooooaaaahhhhh........... 0:27
Valve can set the minimum controllers standards for Gaming PCs (additions not substitutions)
- additional 4 x M buttons = macro buttons, shft + ctrl
- additional 8 x N buttons = keyboard 1~8 number keys - 8 small nubs top of the controller
- additional 2 x trackpads = Desktop navigation.
Ps5 is a better pc than steam machinery
I still dont think itll take off. Why would I as a steam deck user buy ANOTHER steamOS device when i can just dock my steam deck to a TV already. They need a dock with a GPU or something to boost the deck or just a Deck 2.
who cares about valve corporation
lots of people do
The problem was nobody had a clue what steam was. I'd buy a steam machine now. Infact I've been looking into building my own
everyone knew what steam was at the time as it was ALREADY the gaming platform on PC by that time with millions of users.. the problem was what was stated in the video.. proton did not exist thus hardly any games were on Linux at the time and WINE which proton is based on was a far cry from what proton is now
Another console since xbox is dying
Nope
Windows sucks. Thats all.
I want it to come out already!!!! (First party!!)
Valve never seems to move very quickly