Any comment on this video refusing to acknowledge how mind-blowing this 46.4 was from Pan Zhanle should be viewed as an absolute joke. The best way to prove you know nothing about swimming is to not act blown away by this 100 free WR.
Pan the man 🫡🫡🫡 It would be amazing if we saw a 45. flat start in our lifetimes...crazy to think that now with Pan, theres a real possibility of that happening.
10 years ago, record from today were a joke. China facilities and well being for athletes are world top tier, while western facilities and method become dull and old, maybe that's also play into the fact they do well better than others ??
The anthropometric literature shows that the center of mass in blacks is 3 percent higher above the ground than in whites. This means that blacks hold a 1.5 percent speed advantage in running, and whites hold a 1.5 percent speed advantage in swimming. Among athletes of the same height Asians are even more favored than whites in swimming but they are not setting records because they are not as tall. If you are not happy with Asian beating all records in swimming, go do water polo
"It does break my heart to see people put hard effort into four straight years to prepare for an Olympic Games, then to have it taken away from them by somebody who is cheating," Phelps said. "It's not right. I stand for that and I will always stand for that." Will you stand for those athletes competing the 200m against ur buddy Erriyon Knighton?
Just take a closer look at Pan's outstanding technique. It is super clear from the video that his body remains perfectly streamlined, and his arm movements are so fluid that they create minimal waves. Meanwhile, his legs also kicks with an incredible speed. If you watch the short clips comparing underwater techniques between Pan and Chalmers, Chalmers appears very clumsy next Pan. One will even start to wonder how can Chalmers swim so fast with such a clumsy movement. Accusations of doping against Pan are baseless and do nothing to advance the sport or improve anyone's swimming. Learn from his amazing technique should be the right thing to do.
@@brisley88 False. China testing positivity rate is 0.2% vs the US 1.2%. And the US and AU, France has highest number of "therapeutic exemptions" on the excuse of "asthma", "POTS" etc - so they legally doping. That's institutional doping. That's a history of cheating. The Chinese have very few of such exemptions.
@@brisley88 Yeah, according to the number 1 propaganda machine the Evil Empire of the United Snakes who has a history of vilifying its perceived enemy with fake news. Very credible indeed, give me a break!
Aussie here. Cheered for king Kyle but I was so impressed with Pan. This was a historical performance and the best swim ever in history in this blue ribbon event. It's really unfair and sour grapes to suggest he dopes when he has been tested far more than his competitors. Pan is the Usain Bolt of swimming. We should be celebrating his achievements because pan elevates the sport.
I wouldn't say he's the Usain Bolt yet😂. Maybe if he swam the 200 and 50 as well and did well in all those for 3 straight olympics (which he could). Until then, he ain't no Bolt.
Trust me, Pan record will be broken again, whether by Asian or Westerners. Human will find a way and there will be breakthrough, either in technique, or core strength and flexibiliy.
They have been tested 21 times during the game and all came out clean, and how many times have our swimmers been tested? ZERO! The real shame is how certain swimmers doped yet still managed to lose the game!
You realize that some of the drugs benefit the training which carries over into competitions, even though they are negative during the competitions. TMZ for example, for which the Chinese Team tested positive for and had no legitimate explanation.
When Michael Phelps became the most dominant swimmer in his time and took home many WRs n Golds, people praised him without any accusations but when a Chinese swimmer did the same, the media accused him of abusing substances. Utterly disgusting
USA is a disgrace. Their silver and bronze medalists refused to shake hands with the Chinese Gold medalist. The USA 2nd place athletes went straight to the 1st placed Chinese athlete and called him a doping cheat. And regardless of the 7 times a day testing of the Chinese athletes prior to the event to stop them from having proper rest (Midnight, Early morning, Morning, Afternoon, Late afternoon, Evening, etc) they are now demanding that court hearings be held on the Chinese Athletes after the Olympics. USA has 600% more drug violations than China (USA 1.2%, China 0.2%) yet USA is 35% less tested than China (USA 6,782 samples, China 19,228 samples). ANTI-DOPING TESTING FIGURES IN SELECTED COUNTRIES - Violations 2022 India : 3.2% (Samples: 3,865) South Africa: 2.9% (Samples: 2,033) Kazakhstan: 1.9% (Samples: 2,174) Mexico: 1.4% (Samples: 2,252) USA: 1.2% (Samples: 6,782) Canada: 1.1% (Samples: 3,846) Russia: 0.8% (Samples: 10,186) Germany: 0.3% (Samples: 13,653) Japan: 0.2% (Samples: 5,706) China: 0.2% (Samples: 19,228)
Two of athletes in the Chinese team were caught doping in 2022 and they were allowed to compete without any bans . Pan is probably clear of drugs , but the rest ain’t
@@DurcDurc LoL.... With such datas..... Not a single of them come to argue your comment. I've been debating those kind of people for years and at some point i realized that they don't care about fact or any morality value. Only small minority of them do
@@winkus8586 maybe because you stuck your head in the sand. It's all over the internet, AND there are medical/scientific reason for unnatural purple faces.
We don't care if randoms accusing Pan of doping but you can't help but be defensive when western swimmers and coaches throwing accusations like "It's not humanly possible" and "what's the point in winning while cheating". WADA literally said they're tired of testing Chinese over and over just to please certain countries and people.
It’s not accusations when it’s been proven time and time again that the Chinese swimmers cheat over and over. You wanna stop “westerners” from being upset that they constantly get away with it then stop cheating. They know exactly what they’re doing and do not care. It’s a joke. Quit defending known cheaters
Yesterday's diving and today's swimming! I believe that only yellow people can break the world record set by Pan Zhanle, because the Australian coach and US Michael Phelps said that his record is impossible for humans and it starts from the perspective of white people, but they don’t know that yellow people’s bodies are good materials for swimming instead of white. As long as everyone looks at whether a submarine is faster or a battleship is faster, it will be clear. The fat and muscle evolved by yellow people The proportions, streamlined frame, and flexibility of tendons are all superior to those of white people. As long as they are well-nourished, yellow people will sweep the swimming world. Just like in the past, no one in Europe and the United States could "dive" in the Olympic diving world since US Greg Lugennis. ", all were outcompeted by yellow people. From now on, in the swimming world, white people will soon be unable to "swim", because the economies of East and Southeast Asian countries are taking off, and after their people have enough nutrition, The body will grow longer, and by then the swimming world will only be dominated by yellow people!
He went almost half a second Faster then his previous which was the fastest ever . In a 100mts in Water 800 times denser than Air. We can see that is a Fenomenal feat. Can you imagine a Runner breaking the 100mts WR by almost half a second. That would mean that the runner would leave the next fastest human being on the Planet behind by 10 meters !!! What a sight to behold. See it to believe it Right? Pan Zhanle did just that ! He left behind the next fastest swimmer in the planet by a full Body (aprox2mts) in a 100mts freestyle. A Fenomena never ever seen in the history of any Sport. A Miracle of God all mighty that we all witnessed.
Things you have not seen far enough in your life doesn’t mean it cannot happen. When American or Australian swimmers break the records that no one else can, you would say ‘he or she is the best swimmer of all time’ and without question or suspicion regarding doping. It seems to me the doping question only raised when Chinese swimmers making progress.
In another Chinese interview, he actually revealed his secret: He thinks his technique is not perfect and has a lot to improve, yet when competing, he realizes the other players are even worse. He thinks the US way of putting on muscle is the wrong way to go. The right technique and the right body shape are more important. Swimming in the water like an arrow.
Nothing wrong with saying him swim was impossible, but to discredit him and accuse him of 'cheating' when he was subjected to 4-5 times more doping test and passed every single of them. That is just bad sportsmanship
I think you are a fair person. If Pan didn’t take that many test, anybody can doubt his performance. But over-tested result only can approve he is a super star! And his attitude towards to test was “ I can take it as long as it is within the line” ! Why losers can’t find reason on themselves?????
If China has some miraculous substance that can't be detected by test, why do they only give it to Pan? Why not the whole swimming team, or the whole Chinese Olympic team? We should've seen a lot more 'unhuman' world record breaking in all sport if that was the case.
Maybe they over dosed most of the swimming team at this Olympics hence many CN swimmers underperformed in Paris? Nah just joking. The absurdity of such baseless accusation is mind blowing.
Fact 1: ALL Swimming and Athletic records are MEANT to be broken and WILL be broken Fact 2: Pan was the first swimmer to go sub 46 sec Fact 3: Pan was tested NEGATIVE 21 times in 2024 AND has NEVER tested POSITIVE Opinion 1: People screaming "drug cheat" are immature, biased, bigoted etc and have not reflected on the FACTS around his swims Opinion 2: Sport has always been politicised and it's a real shame that the world was literally divided over his win/record. Both of his swims DESERVED to be celebrated as a HUMAN achievement not just a Chinese achievement Opinion 3: US, AU, UK and other Anglosphere countries have a much larger and powerful MEDIA MACHINE to drive OPINION and NARATIVE. We don't often get to hear the other side if they're from non-English speaking countries Opinion 4: It doesn't matter whether you think his swims are drug assisted or not, as long as you have arrived at that conclusion based on critical reasoning and FACTS and not OPINION/SPECULATION Opinion 5: I think both of his swims were up there with Usain Bolt's record run, Bob Beamon and Mike Powell's record jumps- events that produced a double take when the time/distance is revealed- hence the GASPS!. Something very magical about that. You were very lucky to have been there to witness it
Yeah, after watching these swimming contests I just realize some of the USA swimmers literally got a Thanos purple face, which is CLEARLY abnormal and suspicious, but no one's even mentioning it.
Great post. Except that I wouldn't put Beamon's record anywhere close to the rest. That record was like a glitch in the matrix, it was mythical, it was so far out that the rest are just not in the same league, albeit also amazing. The equivalent here would be if he suddenly swam sub 44 or something. Beamon went from 8.30 to 8.90. And until now no one has repeated such a jump, except Powell and I have my reservations about him being clean.
@@drakestallworth3621 Yes, 400 out of 600 US athletes are purple with either asthmatic, ADHD or anti depressant….a bit hard to tell purple when it’s black, but I’m sure it’s there.
Almost all US swim team take prescription for asthma, which enhances bloodflow, and cause their faces turn purple after the competition. Also, almost all US gymnastic team take Adderol for ADHD, and it increases concentration. Do you think they are clean, or is it leagal doping?
To be fair, all Americans take adderall, most do it and sit on the couch. It's a nation of pillpoppers I lived there for two years, random people would offer me pills if I sneezed funny.
Just learned that Chinese swimming team tested 7 times a day.. more than 20-30 times since they arrived to Paris. If talked about fairness… other team such as USA, France, Uk test amount should be the same, but apparently not. Some can even refuse not to be tested.
Pan stated in an interview that he was tested once or twice a day since arriving Paris. So perhaps 20-30 times per swimmer. But they came during early mornings and disrupted some swimmers' sleep.
There was also a chart from a RUclipsr that showed that even with all the rigorous testing in China, history showed they only tested positive at .2% while usa tested positive around 1.5% with even less testing.
That explains why a certain cyclist won Tour De France 7 times with doping yet no positive tests. If an Asian won Tour De France the west would ask non stop testing - probably test the parents as well 😂
The westerners are just being racists because if it was Dressel or any other US swimmer they would treat him as a hero and not a single one suspicious of doping would be claimed by the others. But as an Chinese swimmer did it so... Also these pro swimmers and coaches should be learning about the technique and efficiency of Pan's strokes. It's magical, so fluid and perfect, it does not waste energy going up and down with the torso, he's perfect horizontal in the water just accelerating and gliding with full leg power.
he already hit that mark way before the olympic, but he didn't show it in any of the competition as a smoke screen, there is a video interview about it
The us swimming team is known as the asthma team. Team usa gymnastics has 100% adhd roster and most basketball players aren't even tested for ped's. Usa have the most therapeutic exemptions aka supervised doping, they are mad cause even with institutional doping, Pan destroyed them.
I do not know why he is so shocked. If you look at the Pan's swimming video frame by frame, it is so obvious that Pan has the best swimming tech among the competitors. It is the time for the swimming society to revise the theory of how to swim faster in 100m freestyle.
Hum you’re in trouble with Kyle if you tranna say you predicted better than 46.80 in what we all agreed was a slow no-records pool? Holy heck he coulda won a second slower at 47.40 iand saved a lot of Aussie cardiac arrests. 20-20 hindsight hmmm
Western reporting at its finest. Canadian Hammer thrower wins by 4 METERS, more than 13 feet farther than the silver medal, no one broke 80 meters, he went 84 meters, everybody calls him fantastic. Katy Ledecky wins by 10 seconds ahead of silver, broke Olympic mark by 5 seconds in 1500m freestyle, she's treated like the Queen. Marchand of France wins by 6 secs in 400 IM, wins by 1.2 secs in 200 IM, he's hero of France. Pan Zhanle wins 100 m freestyle by 1 sec, he's on DRUGS, though he's been tested frequently, last year, 29 times, always negative! That's western reporting for ya.
China's CCTV ( China Central TV) has just aird an interview with Pan before the Olympics which he urged to air the interview only after the game for keeping his secret weapon a secret. In this interview he said he could do 46.6 already in the training , but he wanted to keep it as a secret so he swam only 46.8 in World Aquatics Championships - Fukuoka 2023 - Japan in order to fool everybody into thinking that's the limit he could do. Then his rivals would think that as long as they could do 46.8 or above, they could beat him. He said he would reveal his true score in the Olympics as a surprise.
So he just decided to swim about 2 tenths off his best? That's very difficult to do, I think more likely would be that he just tried his best, but already knew he could be faster after the race. I would also throw a bit of doubt on the idea that anyone in that field would stop pushing past 46.7 if they truly believed they had a shot at the WR -- they're all swimming to be at their own peak. Cool idea, doesn't really stand up to scrutiny.
@@adamhotaling3946 i saw the interview - what OP said is not exactly true, he meant he likely could've swam faster than 46.8 in doha, but some parts of his swim weren't the best he could do, so he didn't. he was grateful for that because it meant the other swimmers would think he could only swim a 46.8 at best. he also mentioned that he needed to put "two or three times the effort in training hard" in order to actually guarantee he would be able to swim something incredible at the olympics
@@olexy.skrypnik Chinese are really technical in training, I suggest you go over there and watch them train. Sun Yang, Pan Zhanle both have sublime technique.
My question to Brett Hawke was...why didn't he get angry when Michael Phelp and other European Gold medalists did it and when it is Pan Zhanle's turn, he was angry ! Hey how about the doping tests that are done to China team apply to US too then I would say it is fair because Chinese team lost the sleep and rest that are needed for competition, get it ? So you are saying he took a cookie that was doped just before the swim ? You and I know this is Oympic games so it would not be that simple to break the rules. BTW Brettt Hawke has since retracted his doubt after Pan Zhanle's 4X100M relay gold.
The Western world can't understand that the more prejudiced they are, the more it'll be used as fuel for these non-white athletes. Pan was powered by needing to prove racists wrong
Why Pan ia so great? He broke the World record frantically. He inspired the world there is another way of swimming for anyone want to do the same thing he did to follow. Its the flutter kicking. You know why people are so sick of the Western swimmer who accused Pan. Because on one hand , they have already know Pan's swimming technique is good, on the others hand, they try to bring him down intentionally and strategically. That hypocractics make the world feel fxxking sick.
Something very interesting and intriguing is the interview Pan gave in China a week before leaving for Paris. It is on youtube now. He asked the interviewer not to broadcast what he was about to say until after the olympics. He then proceeded to state that he was glad that he only swam 46.8 in DOHA because now his competitors will use that as the mark to try and beat in training leading up to the olympics. He called it a smokescreen. Then the interviewer asked him how fast can he swim, he just smiled.
As a spectator (politics aside), I was amazed by his anchor leg swim in the 4x100 m relay trailing almost a full body length to overtake US and win the Gold medal.🏅 Absolutely epic and heroic performance! Truly inspiring.👏
Nobody is bringing politics 😂. It was just a doping scandal. I don't care if someone is socialist, liberal, republican or none of the above! China had a bad history of doping. I'm saying that as a fan of many of their athletes and their beautiful lanscapes.
@@NRClips3414 If you are an objective viewer, then you should respect WADA's official statements and announcements rather than the political news of certain countries. The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) has publicly said that the Chinese team members have been strictly tested and have not violated any rules, and accused the United States of unwarranted politicization. The 2021 swim team tested weakly positive, which was a self-test by China a few months before the competition, which they reported truthfully and sent Swiss investigators to participate in the investigation and determined that it was an accident and would not affect the duration of the competition. In the world public record, the proportion of positive doping in the United States is many times higher than that of China, so who has a bad record?
@@NRClips3414 "China had a bad history of doping" is such a confirmation biased. Many American athletes were doping in history. But you won't call them "USA had a bad history blah blah blah..." cuz the Americans keep winning in those areas. Would you call the Chinese winners in table tennis, weightlifting, diving and badminton doping? NO... right?
I can't even swim! But I can run, even when I am hungry. Some physical techniques are created naturally at childhood. When you grow up, you can only make minor adjustments. So he must be a natural.
I must point out a fact that many people don't know. The United States can be exempted from the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA). The United States uses its strong political and military power and financial control to sanction and even intimidate any country, organization or individual, so the IOC and WADA must give in to the United States. The testing of American athletes is independently tested by the USADA of the United States. In international sports events related to national honor, the United States can decide whether its athletes have violated anti-doping laws. How can it convince other countries and people? Similarly, due to the "influence" of the United States as a superpower, the United States can arbitrarily obtain favorable results through rules. The asthma problem of American athletes is well known, but the amazing thing is the success rate of American athletes in applying for drug exemptions. 2/3 of them have been approved, while the pass rate of China is less than 1/20 of that of the United States. Such a disgraceful United States has made many false accusations and even smears against China, and even said that China politically interfered with WADA, causing WADA to fight back and publicly accused 90% of American athletes of not testing according to WADA rules at a press conference.
The most unfortunate part of being a swim fan right now is that the spotlight has shifted away from the sport of swimming into a doping allegation witch-hunt based on politics, ego, and/or xenophobia. If we are to accept that Pan is doping to explain his successful swims, or that Qin is not doping enough to explain his unsuccessful swims, then we undermine the integrity of the ENTIRE meet. After all, the same organization that allows Chinese swimmers to participate in the meet also allow American swimmers, Australian swimmers, etc to participate. The result is non-discussion that devolves into a witch-hunt that isn't just one sided: American swimmers are also accused of doping to explain their unnatural purple skin color post race. If we are to believe our American swimmers are clean because they've been tested, then we must also believe the other country's swimmers who have also been tested (even more), are also clean. Not for their swimmers' sake, but for ours. We must believe in innocence until proven otherwise.
At the age of 10 he is already very fast and he said just swim faster than Sun Yang then that's it. Sadly USA managed to trapped Sun Yang for doping which he didn't
any experienced swimmer could see that Pan had much cleaner stroke leading to far more efficient technique than others hence his wide margin of victory
Western media would never tell you this: many Chinese gold medalists set their laser-focused goals at a very young age. The hours they dedicate to training are beyond comprehension, with many sacrificing personal and family time, even during holidays. These athletes are among the most resilient, ambitious, and hardworking individuals you might ever encounter, driven by a single goal-winning an Olympic gold medal. It's disgraceful that many from "developed" countries questioned their achievements, including some famous figures, despite numerous tests proving their legitimacy. Limitless nights and days you worked harder than anyone else and people judged you right away based on your race n country u are from. You may not understand China. The new generation of China 500 million people is on the rise. They aren't content with just national or Asian titles; their goal is to challenge the status quo in every aspect and shine on the world stage. BE READY FOR MORE TO COME !
Yeah regardless of all the politics later on, all swimming fans had their jaws on the floor watching the finish and time at the wall. The live reactions including myself, physically jumped in shock. It's one of moments you will never forget and can't be taken away. I can't remember another swim more mind blowing.
Some of people making comments about Pan cheating, test him, and this is not humanely possible so he must be doping…man some of yall are racist as hell. Chinese get tested ALL THE TIME now due to what happened awhile ago. Yall need to let this go
I would be flabbergasted, too, 😢 if I had been doping for that many years and still couldn't beat a 19 years old non-doping naturally talented Chinese swimmer.
Pan deserved his win. He has been performing brilliantly and he had the world behind him the better he went. Please, can we just give Pan the credit without reacting with the desire to reject his great performance. Do not make this an anti-China episode. Give Pan credit.
being a chinese, i will say we dont care for the others sore words as we are used to. how we react is to become stronger. i just went to china last week and really surprised how it becomes. China has its way to achieve under the suppression, i watched an interview of a swimmer who was trainned under the same coach and he said the special thing about Pan is not his arms it is his leg power.
you agreed with Michael Phelps, "If you test positive, you should never be allowed to come back and compete again, cut and dry." Can you tell us your opinion on Shayna Jack? Should she be allowed to compete and won 2 gold metals?
Unless Pan Zhanle is found guilt for doping or even an alien from out of space, he deserves all the accolades for his superiority in the 100m freestyle.👏👏👏👏👏
What confuses me is why the Olympics don’t test EVERY athlete after every match regardless of if they won or lost. That would literally eliminate any doubt. Right now only a VERY small portion of members from each team gets tested and only BEFORE the competition. This means that during the competition any athlete can take whatever they want since they know they will never be tested again.
man , you voiced it just about perfectly. if we as swimming fans want to truly believe that pan zhanle was juiced at these games, we have to admit that WADA has massively failed at their job, and if you believe that then why not witch hunt anyone else. no one assumed dressel was doping when he won a short course 50 free by 1.01 seconds. why not go for bobby finke and his ability to finish hard, couldn't that be trimetazidine? it's our job to believe innocent until proven guilty, or we have to otherwise believe anyone can be guilty. anyone who is only throwing pan under the bus is just saying something about themselves instead of him.
I agree with it all accept that WADA already massively failed with the "contamination" coverup before Tokyo. The whole strict liability thing were told as athletes was kinda just thrown out the window in that special case. I’m not saying something like that has happened again just that the lack of trust in wada right now is somewhat well warranted and pan is getting caught in the crossfire.
The difference is that China has a history of institutional doping, which is unfair to its athletes who aren't doping, but completely understandable. Hell they hired former East German coaches early in developing their swimming program (who, of course, had no history of institutional doping!) and the doping that ensued earned them the their first sanctions for doping ... so being suspicious of Chinese athletes is reasonable (and unfortunate).
@@Geeliowl yea agreed, tue’s should absolutely be disclosed. In the case of this past incident though, the odds 23 athletes all have heart disease and need a medication that increases blood oxygen carrying capacity is ludicrous. They then investigated themselves and found nothing wrong…
Before the Games began, Pan Zhanle revealed in an interview that he could actually reach to 46.50 seconds at the 100m freestyle, and he requested that that interview not be broadcasted until after his races are over. So Pan was already reaching unbelievable records in training before the Paris Olympics started.
@@thebrownjames1656 not to mention, everyone Usain raced against were tested on dope lol--tyson gay, justin gatler, his own jamaican teammates like nester carter and yohan blake. Yet no one's ever questioned it that a completely clean sprinter beat all the doped guys by a huge margin
@@thebrownjames1656they did. They been questioning Bolt ever since he broke the record but couldn’t caught him even once. Meanwhile you see guys like Tyson gay and Justin Gatlin, who were proven to be doping, got little to no questions from the mass media and public
Just like 100 meter runners breaking the 10 seconds for the first time. For swimming it is the same. Someday, someone will do it somewhere. It just happened to be done by a Chinese swimmer in these two events during this Olympics
I have lots of thoughts on this as a swimmer myself. What springs to mind is looking at other sports like football for example where Messi has almost impossible God like skills compared to other players, then there was Federer in his day in tennis, and of course Usain Bolt's 9:58 which no one has close to. Pan Zhanle similar to David Popovici both seem to have incredible technique which is prob why they both broke recent 100m free world records. When you look at the underwater footage both swimmers imo have better body position than other world class swimmers plus better catch/EVF position + DSP. Pan also has that phenomenal leg kick which combined with his reach allowed him to glide super fast on water before beginning his catch + save fractions of energy whilst doing so. I think Pan just like David are just both brilliant swimmers in the same way that Bolt,Messi,Federer etc etc are all brilliant too.
Dude, Pan was born to be a natural swimmer. He did train hard and beat all American swimmers, Aussie swimmers, and G7 swimmers. Dont be sore losers. Once an Asian swimmer beats all white swimmers, you guys blame on him for doping :). From now on, we should test all American and Western swimmers.
Kyle, its a fact that SOME positive tests do result from contamination - not necessarily saying that the 23 Chinese were b/c of contamination, but contamination can result in positives. Given this fact, how is it fair that you ban ALL positive tests and see them equally? As a swimmer, you should be able to see that having your entire life/career derailed because of a test result you weren't even responsible for is very unfair. Swimmers already don't make a lot of money - having Michael Phelps call for all positives - even contamination - to be banned just makes it so much worse.
Difference is the Chinese self reported their swimmers in 2021 👇 Chinese swimming scandal: a strong defence by world anti-doping body, but narrative of ‘cover-up’ remains Published: April 24, 2024 Given an investigation by the Chinese Ministry of Public Security found traces of the banned substance trimetazidine (TMZ) in a kitchen at the swimmers’ hotel, CHINADA ruled the positive tests were the result of accidental contamination. The Chinese swimmers were cleared without any public announcement. WADA says China’s national anti-doping agency kept them abreast of events throughout their extensive investigation, which took place during strict COVID lockdowns and was impacted by a local outbreak of the virus. Far from accepting CHINADA’s findings on the face of it, WADA requested the entire case file so it could conduct its own scientific and legal investigations - including speaking with the drug manufacturer to get the latest unpublished science on TMZ, and comparing the Chinese positive tests with TMZ cases in other countries, including the US. WADA ultimately determined there was no concrete evidence to “disprove” the possibility of environmental contamination. Here are a few reasons WADA gave as to why in its press conference this week: More than 200 swimmers competing in the Chinese National Championships were staying in at least two different hotels at the time. The swimmers who tested positive to non-performance-enhancing amounts of TMZ were all at one hotel. There were fluctuating negative and positive results for the swimmers that were tested on multiple occasions, which were not consistent with deliberate doping techniques, including microdosing. WADA found no evidence of misconduct or manipulation in the case file handed over by CHINADA. WADA says it reviews between 2,000 and 3,000 cases of suspected doping every year. It is not unusual for the body to file an appeal challenging anti-doping findings. For example, WADA challenged an Australian Football League decision to clear 34 members of the Essendon Football Club. It also appealed a decision by the world swimming body, FINA, to clear high-profile Chinese swimmer Sun Yang of wrongdoing for his conduct during a 2018 drug test. According to WADA’s general counsel, Ross Wenzel, the difference between these cases and the more recent allegations against the Chinese swimmers was that the body accepted the “no fault” finding in the latter case. In the earlier cases, it did not. He also said WADA received external legal advice that it would have had less than a 1% chance of winning an appeal in the TMZ case. According to WADA, everything was handled by the book, and if the body was faced with the same situation again, it would do nothing differently. Has China been unfairly singled out? So, has WADA succeeded in changing the narrative? Probably not. Why? Because putting the words “China” and “doping” together is a lightning rod in the current political climate given the intense rivalry between China and the US. Currently there are 23 people serving anti-doping suspensions in Australia. Do we feel personal or national shame for their wrongdoing? Every time the US team marches into an Olympic Games, or steps up onto a World Championships medal podium, do we point at them while recalling memories of the US Postal Service cycling team and the banned-for-life cyclist Lance Armstrong? But when it comes to China, many observers are quick to name and shame athletes, viewing every news story as some kind of proof the country must have a systemic, state-sanctioned doping program. The Conversation
This can come from deliberate sabotage as well. Just the other day, a Chinese diver (gold medal favorite) was a offered some treat by an American or European diver (competitor) just before taking her dives. Luckily, the Chinese diver had the presence of mind to decline the offer, then, her coach took the offer instead, out of respect. Not saying that treat was doped, but what if? Deliberate or not? How would Chinese athletes be perceived? As if they're not already unfairly judged.
@@Freedom_and_Democracy is Pan one of the 23? Or are you just part of the witch hunt? Why don't you talk about the 1.2% of the 6700 tests that the US were caught for doping in 2022? Cause that year China was caught 0.2% out of 19,000+ tests. Clearly it's a hard pill to swallow for the west even when they can't win while on all those "medical" exemptions
If you look at Pan's form, it is AMAZING. It is just more smooth than the competition, and I think that is the key to his success. It isn't just pure athletic prowess (yes, he obviously is very physically gifted), but his flawless technique. Watch how much smoother he is when he takes a breath and how his arm stroke does not leave as much splash when it enters the water. His technique is just better, which clearly will make him faster than those with less perfect technique.
@@chasx7062 According to his TUE for asthma, he was on Albuterol throughout his Olympic years. Albuterol is a banned substance which relaxes the muscles in the airways and increases airflow to the lungs. Because of his TUE for Albuterol, he was never tested for it so no idea how much of it did he take to juice his performance.
Watch Pan’s interview with national TV before he left for Paris Olympics. He asked the interviewer not to braodcast it before the Olympics. This guy has been swimming those kind of timings all along.
People keep bitching about the shallow pool. Finke broke the WR, Dressel broke the WR, ledecky broke Olympic record. All in the same fucking pool, USA female medly new WR, Are they all doping as well, since it must be impossible in this "slow" pool?
Swimmer got more waves, especially the ones who didn’t lead. The ones who broke the records may less be affected, because they created waves for others.
What is bro on about. Dressel didn't break no wr. He was 0.4 slower on his relay fly spit than in his prime. Also, Finke broke the wr because distance swimming doesn't use much underwaters and he was far from the pact. Watch the 100br and all of Leon's performances ruined and tell me the pool of 2.1 meters was not bad.
When Pan finished the competition, a western journalist gave him a bottle of water, the coach stopped Pan from drinking it. It was taken to test and proved containing dope.
@@ligeguo197 , Just like the female journalist who deliberately colliding with the Chinese table tennis player Wang Chuqin, her identity would not be expose until the organizing committee finished investigation. The result is - she was a Swedish journalist, and the punishment was being banned from the Olympics. That’s all, I don’t even know her name from the news. This doped water case is not the only case happened to the Chinese team, The Chinese team cannot identified the “who” without the help of the organizing committee.
I don’t think so when Bolt made his world record in Beijing 2008 at 9.69 crowd cheers and gave him big big compliments! No body was ever believed a human can get into 9.7 but he did it. So that’s not a next level thing ppl jus can’t take it❤
Actually most folks were happy with Bolt record run, except for sour grapes Americans like Carl Lewis proclaiming that Bolt was doping. Only later on, when Bolt continously ran fastest, did the western media n opinions began to change grudgeingly. Most Americans, brits, aussies etc are just poor losers.
Because he’s not an athlete from the United States. Look at how people in China treated Michael Phelps, Torri Huske, Katie Ledecky and all other US swimmers who won gold or even silver.
@@eltonlei2481 The two cannot be compared. Pan never applied for any drug exemption, while Phelps wore the armor of asthma and went on to win gold medals.
You spent whole 12 minutes saying nothing. This could be straight, if Pan propels his arms and feet at significantly higher frequency over a significant amount of time, yes you can suspect the doping. But if that's not the case, stop your nonsense. When there is no proof of doping, at least show some technical prowess and analyze his technique. There was another WHITE channel actually saying Pan moves further per stroke and it takes him less strokes to finish the same distance. If that's true, you should talk about how everyone should follow suit.
Oh Kyle, You are my sunshine, My only sunshine. You make me happy When skies are gray You'll never know, dear How much I love you Please don't take My sunshine away
There's a mourning tone to every american commentary on this. It's quite comical from an outsider standpoint. The rest of the world is like: "Hmm, a world record in swimming. That's cool I guess."
Pan was unbelievable! Biles Marchand, Sydney, thiam, Ledecky, I’m probably missing someone but honestly I thought Pan was the performance of the olympics….
I just find nowadays everyone is saying everyone who wins is cheating. Like seen multiple people are saying Leon is doping. Like cmon bro someone has to win, so general public stop dragging the winner. Some people are just that good
@@izzyfishie it's mostly people who are salty about people accusing the chinese athletes so they're trying to give the "west" a taste of their own medicine or something, kind of goofy imo
Leon is the most improved swimmer currently,he went from being a "nobody" at the 2020 games,even failing to qualify for some of his events to becoming double world champ in approx 1.5 years later,now obviously this might raise some suspicion ls toxsome people that accuse him
I too could not believe it when I first saw what he went but once I got the backstory it made a little more sense. Pan was furious about how he and other Chinese swimmers were getting treated (whether they deserved it or not and whether the slight was real or not). Having watched high performance athletics for a long time, I know that one of the biggest performance enhancers out there is emotions. Lezac didn’t throw down a 46.0 in that relay leg just by riding the French anchor’s bow wave. He did it in a situation where Phelps’ 8 Olympic Golds were facing its biggest threat against a heavily favored French team as the long time anchor for the US team. If Pan was clean, this is just another example of the incredible things that can happen when you combine extreme physical fitness with raw explosive emotion. Pretty incredible to watch in any circumstance. But definitely not out of the realm of possibility.
Pan has never in his life tested positive for banned substance despite being tested 29 times so far this year and has been a swimming phenom since age 12. He has said in interviews on Chinese TV that he has achieved amazing times such as this during training but did not want to reveal his true capabilities prior to the Olympics.
When a White swimmer wins gold, the White Western Europeans celebrate. When a Yellow swimmer wins gold, the White Western Europeans accuse doping. What’s going to happen when a Black swimmer wins gold?
I refuse to say he’s doping bc he wasn’t one of the ones who tested positive initially and I desperately want this and the 45.9 relay split to be real. I’m not a China fan but those time speak for themselves regardless of team/country
It’s VERY important to note that the US is most certainly not being left out of the blind doping accusations being thrown around. They’re actually one of the MOST accused without any of the athletes being accused having EVER tested positive for anything, ever.
@@Sockwell I believe thats mostly coming from Chinese fans in response to Pan being accused. The purple face theory was started on Chinese social media after the controversy already started, apparently as a way to cope. If Americans hadn't jumped to conclusions about Pan then we wouldn't have Chinese doing the same to USA Swimmers. Look at the timeline, it was the American fans first..
@@Sockwell IS that because USADA not letting anyone else test US athletes and them giving out hundreds of medical exemptions for their own athletes? Erriyon Knighton tested positive for banned substance and was subsequently cleared to compete this year and might actually medal. USADA cleared him due to contaminated meat - the same excuse used to clear those 23 Chinese swimmers from 3 years ago. On a whole, we have seen stats from WADA's ADAM database that shows US athletes actual test positive at a rate 5x higher than China and is 4th in the world. These Chinese swimmers were tested day and night at these olympics. Hate to see them treated this way. These olympic records will look easy in a decade and people would have felt dumb for questioning them on face value.
The most glaring solution is to step up with more testing from countries that are lax about it (ahem, US of A). People on the Salem doping witch hunt always deflect that athletes dope during training and then cycle off during competition. Then test more out of competition, which we know a certain country does the bare minimum in a cat away, mouse will play scheme. The easiest method of not getting caught is simply knowing testing isn't a threat - or it's done only during competition when they can "cycle down." It's basically no-holds-barred with that system in play. Apparently when Phelps was an actively competing, he resisted calls for bio passports (which are in place now and anti-doping tools used in the investigation of the 23 Chinese swimmers that supported their clearance) that his rivals advocated for. I wonder why, huh? I've already said my piece about Phelps' redemption with his substance abuses (marijuana and alcohol) where he was arrested TWICE for DUI - a criminal offense far more harmful that could have taken innocent lives (or his own). I find it all duplicitous and self-righteous.
the age, body conditioning, weight, height, perfect technique, genetics, speed, oxygen/lungs, inner health, mental health, determination and belief he can push and go further , amount of training etc etc . Pan might have just been perfect, in peak mode
I can only imagine how fast he could kick a 100 free. I would bet he can kick it faster than anyone else could kick it. His technique is his unsung ability. I used to swim and there was a fella who was all technique we had to swim againt. We knee this because he was 5’9” tall and 135-140 lbs full grown. When he swam backstroke his kick mever broke the surface and his hands always made a slapping sound and it was soooo frickn smooth to watch and he still destroyed the competition. All technique no power. Pan has decent power but perfect technique. Way to go Pan!! Loved the race! I was one of the people who said to myself “holy crap! He won a 100 by over a body length”. He is amazing!
Yes. But because a Chinese athlete did it, people are skeptical. This is thanks to the hundreds of millions of dollars the US spends on smearing and spreading misinformation on China every year.
No one doubted him for doping then because it is a fixation in our minds that black guys can run. The problem here is there is a fixation in the White man minds that only White guys can swim.
The double standard comes into play when nobody bats an eyelash when records get destroyed by Usain Bolt or Sydney McLaughlin. When a Chinese athlete does it, sirens and alarm bells go off all over the place.
People think iPhone screenshots of an athlete’s face with a slightly purple hue to it after a race is enough evidence to make claims of systematic doping. It is not and the theory should be laughed at.
@@mayl4152basing a systematic doping argument on iPhone screenshots of athletes in a blue LED lit venue after a race is absolutely insane behavior and an embarrassing argument to defend in any capacity.
@@Sockwell don’t avoid the question. Why is it that only the US team who turned purple and none others? And it’s not just one of their team members turning purple。 if it’s IPhone’s fault, photos of other athletes in the race turning purple afterwards should have already popped up, pls do direct me to those? And people aren’t even accusing them of doping yet so you don’t have to be so sensitive.😜
Instead of groundless speculation, lets look at facts. The most consequencential fact IMHO is Pan's extraordinary high cadence and powerful kicks. All along, we were told/taught that arms movement account for overwhelming proportion of propulsion, ranging from 90% to maybe 70%. So for legs, 10 to 30%. In Pan's case, his legs contribution got to be at the high end and maybe even more. I think Pan has proven conventional wisdom wrong, and he has revoluntioned free style swimming!
This kid was 19 years old and turned into 20 few days ago. He has won many world titles in the past many years. China team swimmers have been treated unfairly, everyone tested at 5 am, 6 am and many times during the day and week. Their sleeps have been interrupted over and over. When the track and field records been broken year after year, we didn’t hear doping suspicions. Go watch his world records history and time he beat his own records with his age. JUST ASK YOURSELF, if today it’s not Pan winning, it’s from US, Britain or France - will you still ask the same question? When next time, any record being broken, shouldn’t we have the same suspicions? A little bit background of Pan - he started little and would not come out of swimming pools since he was under 5 years old. The only punishment his coach could do was not allowing him to be in the water. He has all the trophies and medals hanging in his room since he was little and only one space was saved for the Olympic Games. Do we want to say he started doping since he was little? Just like all the athletes, everyone works hard to get to their dreams. It’s not a surprise to see records being broken every time. Check on all sport records in past decades.
@@als8627 2020 Olympics tested over 19K times to China athletes with 0.2% positive outcomes. Tested 6K times US athletes while US team had many more athletes than China with 6 times more positive outcomes. This Olympics US had 23 athletes all tested positive, investigation found out the foods they ate especially meats had growth hormones. China team had tested positive and retested as negative, which was the false positive test. China team was tested from 5am to 9pm several times a day. Do you think it’s fair? All athletes worked hard, trained hard, and expected to compete fairly. We didn’t hear the doping suspicions of the young swimmer from Singapore who swam faster than our greatest swimming legend, Michale P. in 2018 Olympics. Year after year, many records have been broken, that’s the facts. Many athletes from countries that never been to the finals but a lot of them did this year. We are thrilled that they are on the stage to compete and at mean time, we should be happy for the winners, continue to be better not slandering.
@@als8627 The test results of 23 Chinese people were weakly positive due to food contamination, which is different from the positive results of taking stimulants. In addition, this was detected by Chinese institutions themselves and reported to WADA.
When Bolt won the Men's 100M Final in Beijing in 2008 he blew the field away and started celebrating 20 meters out from the finish. Ato Bolton said they were into video game times. The world celebrated. I celebrated. Simone Biles and Phelps and Ledecky are celebrated when the win by large margins. Congratulations Pan.
The Chinese media just released an interview footage of Pan prior to Paris Olympics, he said the last word record of 46.8 he broke in Doha was just a smoke screen, he wasn't trying his best to make other swimmers drop their guard during the Olympics lol.
Any comment on this video refusing to acknowledge how mind-blowing this 46.4 was from Pan Zhanle should be viewed as an absolute joke.
The best way to prove you know nothing about swimming is to not act blown away by this 100 free WR.
Pan the man 🫡🫡🫡
It would be amazing if we saw a 45. flat start in our lifetimes...crazy to think that now with Pan, theres a real possibility of that happening.
Bro found a way to combine Caeleb Dressel's opening 50 with Kyle Chalmers's closing 50. Legend!
10 years ago, record from today were a joke.
China facilities and well being for athletes are world top tier, while western facilities and method become dull and old, maybe that's also play into the fact they do well better than others ??
The anthropometric literature shows that the center of mass in blacks is 3 percent higher above the ground than in whites. This means that blacks hold a 1.5 percent speed advantage in running, and whites hold a 1.5 percent speed advantage in swimming. Among athletes of the same height Asians are even more favored than whites in swimming but they are not setting records because they are not as tall.
If you are not happy with Asian beating all records in swimming, go do water polo
"It does break my heart to see people put hard effort into four straight years to prepare for an Olympic Games, then to have it taken away from them by somebody who is cheating," Phelps said. "It's not right. I stand for that and I will always stand for that." Will you stand for those athletes competing the 200m against ur buddy Erriyon Knighton?
Just take a closer look at Pan's outstanding technique. It is super clear from the video that his body remains perfectly streamlined, and his arm movements are so fluid that they create minimal waves. Meanwhile, his legs also kicks with an incredible speed. If you watch the short clips comparing underwater techniques between Pan and Chalmers, Chalmers appears very clumsy next Pan. One will even start to wonder how can Chalmers swim so fast with such a clumsy movement. Accusations of doping against Pan are baseless and do nothing to advance the sport or improve anyone's swimming. Learn from his amazing technique should be the right thing to do.
@@brisley88 Please read all relevant WADA reports by yourself. Pan has nothing to do with your accusations.
@@summerll666 WADA is proving to be just as corrupt at the Chinese government. Their reports were a joke
@@brisley88 False. China testing positivity rate is 0.2% vs the US 1.2%. And the US and AU, France has highest number of "therapeutic exemptions" on the excuse of "asthma", "POTS" etc - so they legally doping. That's institutional doping. That's a history of cheating. The Chinese have very few of such exemptions.
@@brisley88
Racist
@@brisley88 Yeah, according to the number 1 propaganda machine the Evil Empire of the United Snakes who has a history of vilifying its perceived enemy with fake news. Very credible indeed, give me a break!
Aussie here. Cheered for king Kyle but I was so impressed with Pan. This was a historical performance and the best swim ever in history in this blue ribbon event. It's really unfair and sour grapes to suggest he dopes when he has been tested far more than his competitors. Pan is the Usain Bolt of swimming. We should be celebrating his achievements because pan elevates the sport.
I wouldn't say he's the Usain Bolt yet😂. Maybe if he swam the 200 and 50 as well and did well in all those for 3 straight olympics (which he could). Until then, he ain't no Bolt.
Trust me, Pan record will be broken again, whether by Asian or Westerners. Human will find a way and there will be breakthrough, either in technique, or core strength and flexibiliy.
@@mcsoo5291yeah, and I hope that whoever breaks the record, whatever their race is, we could all genuinely cheer for them
Nice words " ... because pan elevates the sport"
Indeed he did ! Just like what Tiger Woods did for golf !
Is nice to hear a westerner talk like a level head normal human!!!
They have been tested 21 times during the game and all came out clean, and how many times have our swimmers been tested? ZERO! The real shame is how certain swimmers doped yet still managed to lose the game!
Pan is SO fast that even assuming doping can't explain that HUGE margin.
It must be rare talent + die hard training + revolutionary skills.
They test him like 4am, 6am, disgusting.
You realize that some of the drugs benefit the training which carries over into competitions, even though they are negative during the competitions. TMZ for example, for which the Chinese Team tested positive for and had no legitimate explanation.
@@passthetunaporfavorwow...sounds like u should be employed as the head in WADA! Is your name Alec or Karen?
@@passthetunaporfavorwho tested them and when? Jealousy makes you nowhere .
When Michael Phelps became the most dominant swimmer in his time and took home many WRs n Golds, people praised him without any accusations but when a Chinese swimmer did the same, the media accused him of abusing substances. Utterly disgusting
Politic is disgusting… but that’s human nature. We are different and we can not stand those who are different than us.
This is precisely why I hate the Olympics. It's just another arena in which countries spew vicious bile against each other, using sports.
asthma cheats for sure.
phelps records are all under scrutiny now
@@musiqal333the problem is people with low IQ couldnt grasping the truth😂
USA is a disgrace. Their silver and bronze medalists refused to shake hands with the Chinese Gold medalist. The USA 2nd place athletes went straight to the 1st placed Chinese athlete and called him a doping cheat. And regardless of the 7 times a day testing of the Chinese athletes prior to the event to stop them from having proper rest (Midnight, Early morning, Morning, Afternoon, Late afternoon, Evening, etc) they are now demanding that court hearings be held on the Chinese Athletes after the Olympics.
USA has 600% more drug violations than China (USA 1.2%, China 0.2%) yet USA is 35% less tested than China (USA 6,782 samples, China 19,228 samples).
ANTI-DOPING TESTING FIGURES IN SELECTED COUNTRIES - Violations 2022
India : 3.2% (Samples: 3,865)
South Africa: 2.9% (Samples: 2,033)
Kazakhstan: 1.9% (Samples: 2,174)
Mexico: 1.4% (Samples: 2,252)
USA: 1.2% (Samples: 6,782)
Canada: 1.1% (Samples: 3,846)
Russia: 0.8% (Samples: 10,186)
Germany: 0.3% (Samples: 13,653)
Japan: 0.2% (Samples: 5,706)
China: 0.2% (Samples: 19,228)
Two of athletes in the Chinese team were caught doping in 2022 and they were allowed to compete without any bans . Pan is probably clear of drugs , but the rest ain’t
Let them explain the US purple faces phenomenon then, who was cheating?
@@DurcDurc
LoL....
With such datas..... Not a single of them come to argue your comment.
I've been debating those kind of people for years and at some point i realized that they don't care about fact or any morality value. Only small minority of them do
@@winkus8586 maybe because you stuck your head in the sand. It's all over the internet, AND there are medical/scientific reason for unnatural purple faces.
铁一般的事实，数据啪啪打脸。
We don't care if randoms accusing Pan of doping but you can't help but be defensive when western swimmers and coaches throwing accusations like "It's not humanly possible" and "what's the point in winning while cheating". WADA literally said they're tired of testing Chinese over and over just to please certain countries and people.
Para ser exactos una media de 21 vez a cada nadador, cuando a americanos o australianos entre 3 -6…. Eso se le llama discriminacion.😡
It’s not accusations when it’s been proven time and time again that the Chinese swimmers cheat over and over. You wanna stop “westerners” from being upset that they constantly get away with it then stop cheating.
They know exactly what they’re doing and do not care. It’s a joke.
Quit defending known cheaters
Many tests to interrupt sleeping time and trainings 😅😅
even WADA was tired of doing that over and over again 😂
Just how intransigent they are
Yesterday's diving and today's swimming!
I believe that only yellow people can break the world record set by Pan Zhanle, because the Australian coach and US Michael Phelps said that his record is impossible for humans and it starts from the perspective of white people, but they don’t know that yellow people’s bodies are good materials for swimming instead of white. As long as everyone looks at whether a submarine is faster or a battleship is faster, it will be clear. The fat and muscle evolved by yellow people The proportions, streamlined frame, and flexibility of tendons are all superior to those of white people. As long as they are well-nourished, yellow people will sweep the swimming world. Just like in the past, no one in Europe and the United States could "dive" in the Olympic diving world since US Greg Lugennis. ", all were outcompeted by yellow people. From now on, in the swimming world, white people will soon be unable to "swim", because the economies of East and Southeast Asian countries are taking off, and after their people have enough nutrition, The body will grow longer, and by then the swimming world will only be dominated by yellow people!
The prior WR of 46’80 was also Pan’s.
Indeed
When someone is "white" most of them choose to ignore and forget about fact. Only minority will realized it.
He went almost half a second Faster then his previous which was the fastest ever . In a 100mts in Water 800 times denser than Air. We can see that is a Fenomenal feat. Can you imagine a Runner breaking the 100mts WR by almost half a second. That would mean that the runner would leave the next fastest human being on the Planet behind by 10 meters !!! What a sight to behold. See it to believe it Right?
Pan Zhanle did just that ! He left behind the next fastest swimmer in the planet by a full Body (aprox2mts) in a 100mts freestyle. A Fenomena never ever seen in the history of any Sport. A Miracle of God all mighty that we all witnessed.
Guess the west had to ignore that fact in order to smear Pan. lol
I feel like that's a huge part that people are skipping over. He didn't just beat A world record, he beat HIS world record.
Things you have not seen far enough in your life doesn’t mean it cannot happen. When American or Australian swimmers break the records that no one else can, you would say ‘he or she is the best swimmer of all time’ and without question or suspicion regarding doping. It seems to me the doping question only raised when Chinese swimmers making progress.
The questions are raised because they are constantly cheating and getting away with it. That’s the difference.
Outright discrimination and racism
Exactly this!
Agreed!
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In another Chinese interview, he actually revealed his secret:
He thinks his technique is not perfect and has a lot to improve, yet when competing, he realizes the other players are even worse. He thinks the US way of putting on muscle is the wrong way to go. The right technique and the right body shape are more important.
Swimming in the water like an arrow.
I suggest a “swim-off” after everyone is tested by each others countries.
Petty jealousies and discrimination do not belong in the Olympics.
Nothing wrong with saying him swim was impossible, but to discredit him and accuse him of 'cheating' when he was subjected to 4-5 times more doping test and passed every single of them. That is just bad sportsmanship
Some people just cannot accept the fact that an Asian could swim faster, much faster than they do.
Be gracious.
Asia is big. better specify East Asian.
Torri Huske is half chinese heritage and she can swim fast. No one questions her because she swims for America. Asians can swim fast is no scret.
@@mojomom1888westerners dont believe full blooded asian genetics can break sub 47.
Truth …if this were an American, they wouldn’t even bring this up
Believing a 1.4 billion population can’t produce a single extremely fast swimmer is unrealistic
I think you are a fair person. If Pan didn’t take that many test, anybody can doubt his performance. But over-tested result only can approve he is a super star! And his attitude towards to test was “ I can take it as long as it is within the line” ! Why losers can’t find reason on themselves?????
Poor Pan, imagine if he didn't get those tests...😢 he would be so harassed online for possible doping. Good on him though.
你是對的
If China has some miraculous substance that can't be detected by test, why do they only give it to Pan? Why not the whole swimming team, or the whole Chinese Olympic team? We should've seen a lot more 'unhuman' world record breaking in all sport if that was the case.
they would give to their men's soccer team. Lololol😂
Maybe they over dosed most of the swimming team at this Olympics hence many CN swimmers underperformed in Paris? Nah just joking. The absurdity of such baseless accusation is mind blowing.
Or give it to their men's football team coz they suck big time! Alas, no such miracle super secretive substance.
Hi Kyle ! You got it ?
Well they gave it to 90% of their Tokyo team so they kind of have already
Fact 1: ALL Swimming and Athletic records are MEANT to be broken and WILL be broken
Fact 2: Pan was the first swimmer to go sub 46 sec
Fact 3: Pan was tested NEGATIVE 21 times in 2024 AND has NEVER tested POSITIVE
Opinion 1: People screaming "drug cheat" are immature, biased, bigoted etc and have not reflected on the FACTS around his swims
Opinion 2: Sport has always been politicised and it's a real shame that the world was literally divided over his win/record. Both of his swims DESERVED to be celebrated as a HUMAN achievement not just a Chinese achievement
Opinion 3: US, AU, UK and other Anglosphere countries have a much larger and powerful MEDIA MACHINE to drive OPINION and NARATIVE. We don't often get to hear the other side if they're from non-English speaking countries
Opinion 4: It doesn't matter whether you think his swims are drug assisted or not, as long as you have arrived at that conclusion based on critical reasoning and FACTS and not OPINION/SPECULATION
Opinion 5: I think both of his swims were up there with Usain Bolt's record run, Bob Beamon and Mike Powell's record jumps- events that produced a double take when the time/distance is revealed- hence the GASPS!. Something very magical about that. You were very lucky to have been there to witness it
Yeah, after watching these swimming contests I just realize some of the USA swimmers literally got a Thanos purple face, which is CLEARLY abnormal and suspicious, but no one's even mentioning it.
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Great post. Except that I wouldn't put Beamon's record anywhere close to the rest. That record was like a glitch in the matrix, it was mythical, it was so far out that the rest are just not in the same league, albeit also amazing. The equivalent here would be if he suddenly swam sub 44 or something. Beamon went from 8.30 to 8.90. And until now no one has repeated such a jump, except Powell and I have my reservations about him being clean.
Damn it’s a well said speech 👏
@@pseufei839 They pay to tell the truth? I thought it was the opposite.
U.S. is a true Rainbow nation. Here are the U.S. Olympic team:
Track and field- black
Shooting - white
Table tennis - Asian
Swimming - Purple
ture
Purple 😮
Basketball= Black. Football=Mixed. If cannot win slander!!!!!! Hahahaha!!!!
Everyone’s fucking purple, dude. Sorry you just now started paying attention
@@drakestallworth3621 Yes, 400 out of 600 US athletes are purple with either asthmatic, ADHD or anti depressant….a bit hard to tell purple when it’s black, but I’m sure it’s there.
Pan swam 45.92 on his 20th birthday. 4+5+9+2=20. Magic!
That's actually slower than his WR since it happened during the middle of a relay
Hardly magic there's about 40 possible combinations from 45.00 - 48.00 that add up to 20.
@@Fred-vy1hm you sound like a real pocket of posies to be aroubd
Do you know how many possible combinations?
That doesn't supisce any of you?
Almost all US swim team take prescription for asthma, which enhances bloodflow, and cause their faces turn purple after the competition. Also, almost all US gymnastic team take Adderol for ADHD, and it increases concentration. Do you think they are clean, or is it leagal doping?
To be fair, all Americans take adderall, most do it and sit on the couch. It's a nation of pillpoppers I lived there for two years, random people would offer me pills if I sneezed funny.
It's the US rule-based order.
Legalized doping! Just like their legalized bribery called lobbying.
Get off the couch grandpa
The Tonya Harding TUE team!
Just learned that Chinese swimming team tested 7 times a day.. more than 20-30 times since they arrived to Paris.
If talked about fairness… other team such as USA, France, Uk test amount should be the same, but apparently not. Some can even refuse not to be tested.
Pan stated in an interview that he was tested once or twice a day since arriving Paris. So perhaps 20-30 times per swimmer. But they came during early mornings and disrupted some swimmers' sleep.
Not only "7 times per day" but allegedly midnight, then *5AM* that morning.
There was also a chart from a RUclipsr that showed that even with all the rigorous testing in China, history showed they only tested positive at .2% while usa tested positive around 1.5% with even less testing.
That explains why a certain cyclist won Tour De France 7 times with doping yet no positive tests.
If an Asian won Tour De France the west would ask non stop testing - probably test the parents as well 😂
@@kchankchan hey now, he sacrificed 1 ball for those 7 tour wins
The westerners are just being racists because if it was Dressel or any other US swimmer they would treat him as a hero and not a single one suspicious of doping would be claimed by the others. But as an Chinese swimmer did it so... Also these pro swimmers and coaches should be learning about the technique and efficiency of Pan's strokes. It's magical, so fluid and perfect, it does not waste energy going up and down with the torso, he's perfect horizontal in the water just accelerating and gliding with full leg power.
On Reddit people are commenting on his kicking and how he swims differently. This should be the focus of analysis.
Could you provide a link of the discussion? I appreciate it.
Aero dynamic
@@DesuKaXianghydro dynamic. Sorry but I always correct myself when I say aero and I’m taking it out on you
PAN IS THE MAN. 46.4 AND 45.9 IN RELAY ARE INCREDIBLE CONSISTANT.
And to top it off, the Chinese swimmers were tested more often then swimmers from other countries.
he already hit that mark way before the olympic, but he didn't show it in any of the competition as a smoke screen, there is a video interview about it
ruclips.net/video/PPSIIs6TIGQ/видео.htmlsi=v_TY0HYBfCsslnpM
The us swimming team is known as the asthma team. Team usa gymnastics has 100% adhd roster and most basketball players aren't even tested for ped's.
Usa have the most therapeutic exemptions aka supervised doping, they are mad cause even with institutional doping, Pan destroyed them.
aka institutional doping.
Even ryan murphy said "he has asthma" in one of the interviews lol
So is the norwegian cross-country skiing team. Excemptions = medals.
@@xavierr_yt3438 complete crap. Ledecky is on the same juice phelps was. But they're American so the propaganda is helping them stay clean
State your source! Can somebody just fucking state your goddamn source! Because yall just say shit and it’s really annoying.
I do not know why he is so shocked. If you look at the Pan's swimming video frame by frame, it is so obvious that Pan has the best swimming tech among the competitors. It is the time for the swimming society to revise the theory of how to swim faster in 100m freestyle.
Are you saying that a 46.40 isnt shocking or impressive? Nobody saw that coming.
Hum you’re in trouble with Kyle if you tranna say you predicted better than 46.80 in what we all agreed was a slow no-records pool? Holy heck he coulda won a second slower at 47.40 iand saved a lot of Aussie cardiac arrests. 20-20 hindsight hmmm
Western reporting at its finest. Canadian Hammer thrower wins by 4 METERS, more than 13 feet farther than the silver medal, no one broke 80 meters, he went 84 meters, everybody calls him fantastic. Katy Ledecky wins by 10 seconds ahead of silver, broke Olympic mark by 5 seconds in 1500m freestyle, she's treated like the Queen. Marchand of France wins by 6 secs in 400 IM, wins by 1.2 secs in 200 IM, he's hero of France. Pan Zhanle wins 100 m freestyle by 1 sec, he's on DRUGS, though he's been tested frequently, last year, 29 times, always negative! That's western reporting for ya.
This was the best race I've ever seen. It is now humanly possible. Congratulations Pan and on your 20th birthday.
China's CCTV ( China Central TV) has just aird an interview with Pan before the Olympics which he urged to air the interview only after the game for keeping his secret weapon a secret. In this interview he said he could do 46.6 already in the training , but he wanted to keep it as a secret so he swam only 46.8 in World Aquatics Championships - Fukuoka 2023 - Japan in order to fool everybody into thinking that's the limit he could do. Then his rivals would think that as long as they could do 46.8 or above, they could beat him. He said he would reveal his true score in the Olympics as a surprise.
There's absolutely no way you could purposely swim 0.2s slower
So he just decided to swim about 2 tenths off his best? That's very difficult to do, I think more likely would be that he just tried his best, but already knew he could be faster after the race. I would also throw a bit of doubt on the idea that anyone in that field would stop pushing past 46.7 if they truly believed they had a shot at the WR -- they're all swimming to be at their own peak.
Cool idea, doesn't really stand up to scrutiny.
Looking at his technique I believe his time is natural. But at the same time I refuse to. It makes and doesn't make sense at the same time.
@@adamhotaling3946 i saw the interview - what OP said is not exactly true, he meant he likely could've swam faster than 46.8 in doha, but some parts of his swim weren't the best he could do, so he didn't. he was grateful for that because it meant the other swimmers would think he could only swim a 46.8 at best.
he also mentioned that he needed to put "two or three times the effort in training hard" in order to actually guarantee he would be able to swim something incredible at the olympics
@@olexy.skrypnik Chinese are really technical in training, I suggest you go over there and watch them train. Sun Yang, Pan Zhanle both have sublime technique.
My question to Brett Hawke was...why didn't he get angry when Michael Phelp and other European Gold medalists did it and when it is Pan Zhanle's turn, he was angry ! Hey how about the doping tests that are done to China team apply to US too then I would say it is fair because Chinese team lost the sleep and rest that are needed for competition, get it ? So you are saying he took a cookie that was doped just before the swim ? You and I know this is Oympic games so it would not be that simple to break the rules. BTW Brettt Hawke has since retracted his doubt after Pan Zhanle's 4X100M relay gold.
He's angry because no one would hire him anymore.
He was angry because not even asthmatic drug can bring out this kind of performance.😁😁
There was a podcast of Brett with Alex Popov where he said "Now We all need to start thinking about the possibility of a 45-second 100 freestyle"
U mean that spoiled brat hawke ?
Hawke is racist. That simple.
"I finally beat them all today !"
That's what they get for disrespecting him. Keep disrespecting China and you will get your ass kicked. Ha ha.
In an interview, Pan said that Westerners' skills are too poor. They only have big muscles, which increase friction.
Yes, Pan did beat them all today especially G7 country swimmers :).
The more accurate translation I guess should be: "I finally kicked their asses, all of them"😅😂
The Western world can't understand that the more prejudiced they are, the more it'll be used as fuel for these non-white athletes. Pan was powered by needing to prove racists wrong
Why Pan ia so great? He broke the World record frantically. He inspired the world there is another way of swimming for anyone want to do the same thing he did to follow. Its the flutter kicking. You know why people are so sick of the Western swimmer who accused Pan. Because on one hand , they have already know Pan's swimming technique is good, on the others hand, they try to bring him down intentionally and strategically. That hypocractics make the world feel fxxking sick.
Pan's way of swimming might be ban in coming summer game in LA
Something very interesting and intriguing is the interview Pan gave in China a week before leaving for Paris. It is on youtube now. He asked the interviewer not to broadcast what he was about to say until after the olympics. He then proceeded to state that he was glad that he only swam 46.8 in DOHA because now his competitors will use that as the mark to try and beat in training leading up to the olympics. He called it a smokescreen. Then the interviewer asked him how fast can he swim, he just smiled.
As a spectator (politics aside), I was amazed by his anchor leg swim in the 4x100 m relay trailing almost a full body length to overtake US and win the Gold medal.🏅 Absolutely epic and heroic performance! Truly inspiring.👏
Nobody is bringing politics 😂. It was just a doping scandal. I don't care if someone is socialist, liberal, republican or none of the above! China had a bad history of doping. I'm saying that as a fan of many of their athletes and their beautiful lanscapes.
@@NRClips3414 If you are an objective viewer, then you should respect WADA's official statements and announcements rather than the political news of certain countries. The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) has publicly said that the Chinese team members have been strictly tested and have not violated any rules, and accused the United States of unwarranted politicization. The 2021 swim team tested weakly positive, which was a self-test by China a few months before the competition, which they reported truthfully and sent Swiss investigators to participate in the investigation and determined that it was an accident and would not affect the duration of the competition. In the world public record, the proportion of positive doping in the United States is many times higher than that of China, so who has a bad record?
@@NRClips3414 but the west has dopped more.. so why arent you scrutinizing them more?
@@NRClips3414 "China had a bad history of doping" is such a confirmation biased. Many American athletes were doping in history. But you won't call them "USA had a bad history blah blah blah..." cuz the Americans keep winning in those areas. Would you call the Chinese winners in table tennis, weightlifting, diving and badminton doping? NO... right?
@@NRClips3414 中国以前对西方人很友善，所以喝了西方人（记者或者运动员）给的水，才有了你说的兴奋剂历史，现在中国运动员普遍常识：比赛期间不接受一切他人赠与的饮食。
Pan ZhangLe swims with a good understanding of “law of physics “ and techniques to achieve his goal, as simple as that ❤
I can't even swim! But I can run, even when I am hungry. Some physical techniques are created naturally at childhood. When you grow up, you can only make minor adjustments. So he must be a natural.
I suspect Pan get support from physics scientists in china to perfect his swimming technique and US just get help from chemists.
And his strength and power, yt people are weak😅
We weren't ready for that performance. Even on tv that was breathtaking, really happy for him doing it twice
Mannn... Pan's broke his own record. Amazing!!! 🎉
I must point out a fact that many people don't know. The United States can be exempted from the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA). The United States uses its strong political and military power and financial control to sanction and even intimidate any country, organization or individual, so the IOC and WADA must give in to the United States. The testing of American athletes is independently tested by the USADA of the United States.
In international sports events related to national honor, the United States can decide whether its athletes have violated anti-doping laws. How can it convince other countries and people?
Similarly, due to the "influence" of the United States as a superpower, the United States can arbitrarily obtain favorable results through rules. The asthma problem of American athletes is well known, but the amazing thing is the success rate of American athletes in applying for drug exemptions. 2/3 of them have been approved, while the pass rate of China is less than 1/20 of that of the United States.
Such a disgraceful United States has made many false accusations and even smears against China, and even said that China politically interfered with WADA, causing WADA to fight back and publicly accused 90% of American athletes of not testing according to WADA rules at a press conference.
World record runners never tested positive from US but later admitted, MARION jones, Tim Montgomery. Even Carl Lewus
simple as that asthma cheats and lies. no one has asthma....
A white dude broke WR - We achieved the impossible!
An Asian broke WR - It is impossible! He must be cheating!
See the racism here?
The most unfortunate part of being a swim fan right now is that the spotlight has shifted away from the sport of swimming into a doping allegation witch-hunt based on politics, ego, and/or xenophobia. If we are to accept that Pan is doping to explain his successful swims, or that Qin is not doping enough to explain his unsuccessful swims, then we undermine the integrity of the ENTIRE meet. After all, the same organization that allows Chinese swimmers to participate in the meet also allow American swimmers, Australian swimmers, etc to participate. The result is non-discussion that devolves into a witch-hunt that isn't just one sided: American swimmers are also accused of doping to explain their unnatural purple skin color post race.
If we are to believe our American swimmers are clean because they've been tested, then we must also believe the other country's swimmers who have also been tested (even more), are also clean. Not for their swimmers' sake, but for ours. We must believe in innocence until proven otherwise.
True. We Chinese are tired of explaining. We accuse the same way others accuse us. Let the battel begin if somebody wants it!
If the US team stop taking in swimmers with asthma, may be they will perform better.
Pan was amazing, and his swim was entertaining. Get off the junk food and accept it.
At the age of 10 he is already very fast and he said just swim faster than Sun Yang then that's it. Sadly USA managed to trapped Sun Yang for doping which he didn't
any experienced swimmer could see that Pan had much cleaner stroke leading to far more efficient technique than others hence his wide margin of victory
Western media would never tell you this: many Chinese gold medalists set their laser-focused goals at a very young age. The hours they dedicate to training are beyond comprehension, with many sacrificing personal and family time, even during holidays. These athletes are among the most resilient, ambitious, and hardworking individuals you might ever encounter, driven by a single goal-winning an Olympic gold medal.
It's disgraceful that many from "developed" countries questioned their achievements, including some famous figures, despite numerous tests proving their legitimacy.
Limitless nights and days you worked harder than anyone else and people judged you right away based on your race n country u are from.
You may not understand China. The new generation of China 500 million people is on the rise. They aren't content with just national or Asian titles; their goal is to challenge the status quo in every aspect and shine on the world stage. BE READY FOR MORE TO COME !
Spot on 👍👍👍
What's crazy was in the last 25m. You can visually see him go into a new gear of speed. Mind-blowing 🔥
Yeah regardless of all the politics later on, all swimming fans had their jaws on the floor watching the finish and time at the wall. The live reactions including myself, physically jumped in shock. It's one of moments you will never forget and can't be taken away. I can't remember another swim more mind blowing.
Some of people making comments about Pan cheating, test him, and this is not humanely possible so he must be doping…man some of yall are racist as hell. Chinese get tested ALL THE TIME now due to what happened awhile ago. Yall need to let this go
I am glad not all US swimmers ended up with purple-faced on the pool .
I saw that, what was that all about?
@@116Swimmer dope! you know that :)
@@agatehao I figured the speculation was doping but I was wondering if anyone knew the compound that did that
Dude this take doesn’t make sense. My face is purple after a race. And im 16 and the most performance enhancing thing ill do is a caffeinated drink
@@ayejayrulez9 But swimmers from other countries don't have red-purple face. Can you explain why?
I would be flabbergasted, too, 😢 if I had been doping for that many years and still couldn't beat a 19 years old non-doping naturally talented Chinese swimmer.
If you lie enough you’ll believe it. Entire life is a lie.
@rogerc23 You must have been mistaken me for someone who cares.
@@Seven.Heavenly.Sins.666 Beijing bot. What’s it living a compietely useless existence ?
Pan deserved his win. He has been performing brilliantly and he had the world behind him the better he went. Please, can we just give Pan the credit without reacting with the desire to reject his great performance. Do not make this an anti-China episode. Give Pan credit.
being a chinese, i will say we dont care for the others sore words as we are used to. how we react is to become stronger. i just went to china last week and really surprised how it becomes. China has its way to achieve under the suppression, i watched an interview of a swimmer who was trainned under the same coach and he said the special thing about Pan is not his arms it is his leg power.
you agreed with Michael Phelps, "If you test positive, you should never be allowed to come back and compete again, cut and dry." Can you tell us your opinion on Shayna Jack? Should she be allowed to compete and won 2 gold metals?
won 2 gold metals.
Phelps can talk cock since he's not competing anymore.
How about Biles winning 4 Gold in Rio after tested positive ?
But not Americans
I think he meant only non americans preferably Chinese
You said it best!!
Innocent proven guilty and he was
tested 21 times and the results were all
clean time and time again.
Unless Pan Zhanle is found guilt for doping or even an alien from out of space, he deserves all the accolades for his superiority in the 100m freestyle.👏👏👏👏👏
What confuses me is why the Olympics don’t test EVERY athlete after every match regardless of if they won or lost. That would literally eliminate any doubt. Right now only a VERY small portion of members from each team gets tested and only BEFORE the competition. This means that during the competition any athlete can take whatever they want since they know they will never be tested again.
man , you voiced it just about perfectly. if we as swimming fans want to truly believe that pan zhanle was juiced at these games, we have to admit that WADA has massively failed at their job, and if you believe that then why not witch hunt anyone else. no one assumed dressel was doping when he won a short course 50 free by 1.01 seconds. why not go for bobby finke and his ability to finish hard, couldn't that be trimetazidine? it's our job to believe innocent until proven guilty, or we have to otherwise believe anyone can be guilty. anyone who is only throwing pan under the bus is just saying something about themselves instead of him.
some wise and objective words👍🏼
I agree with it all accept that WADA already massively failed with the "contamination" coverup before Tokyo. The whole strict liability thing were told as athletes was kinda just thrown out the window in that special case. I’m not saying something like that has happened again just that the lack of trust in wada right now is somewhat well warranted and pan is getting caught in the crossfire.
I think it would be fair to disclose all those athletes who is doping legally, means get the exemption because of asthma/heart disease etc.
The difference is that China has a history of institutional doping, which is unfair to its athletes who aren't doping, but completely understandable. Hell they hired former East German coaches early in developing their swimming program (who, of course, had no history of institutional doping!) and the doping that ensued earned them the their first sanctions for doping ... so being suspicious of Chinese athletes is reasonable (and unfortunate).
@@Geeliowl yea agreed, tue’s should absolutely be disclosed. In the case of this past incident though, the odds 23 athletes all have heart disease and need a medication that increases blood oxygen carrying capacity is ludicrous. They then investigated themselves and found nothing wrong…
Before the Games began, Pan Zhanle revealed in an interview that he could actually reach to 46.50 seconds at the 100m freestyle, and he requested that that interview not be broadcasted until after his races are over. So Pan was already reaching unbelievable records in training before the Paris Olympics started.
Pan called it a smokescreen to keep the rest in suspense about his real potential for record breaking feat.
Let's also not forget the 45.9 on the back end of the 4x100 Medley! Unreal swimming
If Pan was from USA, nobody would doubt the result
Waiting for WADA to explain the purple face
Usain Bolt is the king on land and Pan Zhanle is the king on water.
And How is there no one questioning bolts 9.58s record which is more than 0.1s faster than the second fastest time 9.69s
@@thebrownjames1656 not to mention, everyone Usain raced against were tested on dope lol--tyson gay, justin gatler, his own jamaican teammates like nester carter and yohan blake. Yet no one's ever questioned it that a completely clean sprinter beat all the doped guys by a huge margin
@@thebrownjames1656they did. They been questioning Bolt ever since he broke the record but couldn’t caught him even once. Meanwhile you see guys like Tyson gay and Justin Gatlin, who were proven to be doping, got little to no questions from the mass media and public
@@thebrownjames1656 they did. They said that jamaican food probably contains steroids and other weird doping accusations.
When I tell you I had to blink twice to make sure I really saw a 46.4! Jaw dropped
I don't think I took a breath for about 3 minutes
Pan who was the anchor in the 4x100 meter freestyle clocked 45.9 sec.
Just like 100 meter runners breaking the 10 seconds for the first time. For swimming it is the same. Someday, someone will do it somewhere. It just happened to be done by a Chinese swimmer in these two events during this Olympics
Kyle, what do you think of Cielo's positive in 2011? Should he be banned for life per Phelps?
I have lots of thoughts on this as a swimmer myself. What springs to mind is looking at other sports like football for example where Messi has almost impossible God like skills compared to other players, then there was Federer in his day in tennis, and of course Usain Bolt's 9:58 which no one has close to. Pan Zhanle similar to David Popovici both seem to have incredible technique which is prob why they both broke recent 100m free world records. When you look at the underwater footage both swimmers imo have better body position than other world class swimmers plus better catch/EVF position + DSP. Pan also has that phenomenal leg kick which combined with his reach allowed him to glide super fast on water before beginning his catch + save fractions of energy whilst doing so. I think Pan just like David are just both brilliant swimmers in the same way that Bolt,Messi,Federer etc etc are all brilliant too.
Dude, Pan was born to be a natural swimmer. He did train hard and beat all American swimmers, Aussie swimmers, and G7 swimmers. Dont be sore losers. Once an Asian swimmer beats all white swimmers, you guys blame on him for doping :). From now on, we should test all American and Western swimmers.
Kyle, its a fact that SOME positive tests do result from contamination - not necessarily saying that the 23 Chinese were b/c of contamination, but contamination can result in positives.
Given this fact, how is it fair that you ban ALL positive tests and see them equally? As a swimmer, you should be able to see that having your entire life/career derailed because of a test result you weren't even responsible for is very unfair.
Swimmers already don't make a lot of money - having Michael Phelps call for all positives - even contamination - to be banned just makes it so much worse.
Difference is the Chinese self reported their swimmers in 2021
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Chinese swimming scandal: a strong defence by world anti-doping body, but narrative of ‘cover-up’ remains
Published: April 24, 2024
Given an investigation by the Chinese Ministry of Public Security found traces of the banned substance trimetazidine (TMZ) in a kitchen at the swimmers’ hotel, CHINADA ruled the positive tests were the result of accidental contamination. The Chinese swimmers were cleared without any public announcement.
WADA says China’s national anti-doping agency kept them abreast of events throughout their extensive investigation, which took place during strict COVID lockdowns and was impacted by a local outbreak of the virus.
Far from accepting CHINADA’s findings on the face of it, WADA requested the entire case file so it could conduct its own scientific and legal investigations - including speaking with the drug manufacturer to get the latest unpublished science on TMZ, and comparing the Chinese positive tests with TMZ cases in other countries, including the US. WADA ultimately determined there was no concrete evidence to “disprove” the possibility of environmental contamination.
Here are a few reasons WADA gave as to why in its press conference this week:
More than 200 swimmers competing in the Chinese National Championships were staying in at least two different hotels at the time. The swimmers who tested positive to non-performance-enhancing amounts of TMZ were all at one hotel.
There were fluctuating negative and positive results for the swimmers that were tested on multiple occasions, which were not consistent with deliberate doping techniques, including microdosing.
WADA found no evidence of misconduct or manipulation in the case file handed over by CHINADA.
WADA says it reviews between 2,000 and 3,000 cases of suspected doping every year. It is not unusual for the body to file an appeal challenging anti-doping findings.
For example, WADA challenged an Australian Football League decision to clear 34 members of the Essendon Football Club. It also appealed a decision by the world swimming body, FINA, to clear high-profile Chinese swimmer Sun Yang of wrongdoing for his conduct during a 2018 drug test.
According to WADA’s general counsel, Ross Wenzel, the difference between these cases and the more recent allegations against the Chinese swimmers was that the body accepted the “no fault” finding in the latter case. In the earlier cases, it did not.
He also said WADA received external legal advice that it would have had less than a 1% chance of winning an appeal in the TMZ case. According to WADA, everything was handled by the book, and if the body was faced with the same situation again, it would do nothing differently.
Has China been unfairly singled out?
So, has WADA succeeded in changing the narrative? Probably not.
Why? Because putting the words “China” and “doping” together is a lightning rod in the current political climate given the intense rivalry between China and the US.
Currently there are 23 people serving anti-doping suspensions in Australia. Do we feel personal or national shame for their wrongdoing?
Every time the US team marches into an Olympic Games, or steps up onto a World Championships medal podium, do we point at them while recalling memories of the US Postal Service cycling team and the banned-for-life cyclist Lance Armstrong?
But when it comes to China, many observers are quick to name and shame athletes, viewing every news story as some kind of proof the country must have a systemic, state-sanctioned doping program.
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Totally agree with. I Don't want that kind of punishment to any athlete regardless of nationality .
I can get behind this
This can come from deliberate sabotage as well. Just the other day, a Chinese diver (gold medal favorite) was a offered some treat by an American or European diver (competitor) just before taking her dives. Luckily, the Chinese diver had the presence of mind to decline the offer, then, her coach took the offer instead, out of respect. Not saying that treat was doped, but what if? Deliberate or not? How would Chinese athletes be perceived? As if they're not already unfairly judged.
let's do the number of american swimmers getting exemption for ADHD and asthma drugs first. Phelps?
it is a hard pill to swallow for some ...
Seems like more than some😂
Real hard 😂
especially the Austrian coach. Too big of a pill.
Hmm, not for 23 swimmers, potentially.
@@Freedom_and_Democracy is Pan one of the 23? Or are you just part of the witch hunt? Why don't you talk about the 1.2% of the 6700 tests that the US were caught for doping in 2022? Cause that year China was caught 0.2% out of 19,000+ tests. Clearly it's a hard pill to swallow for the west even when they can't win while on all those "medical" exemptions
真是遗憾比赛结束作为运动员听到的不是分析技术，只是这些。去看看中国队员的采访吧，男子4*100结束后，徐特意强调说他是从美国队员莫菲在选拔赛中的动作得到启发，提高了自己！这才是奥运精神，而不是令人作呕的偏见！奥运会本来就是一个突破人类极限的比赛，世界纪录本来就是用来突破的，不是吗？
别在乎他们，输不起的掉样。超过我的就是吃药了！德行
你误解博主的意思了，他从头到尾都是在表达对潘展乐游泳成绩的惊叹（善意的那种），而且呼吁大家不要搞有罪推定，说这对运动员非常不公平
@@taolj 😅
@@taoljYou need to improve your comprehension ability.
@@taolj are you sure?
If you look at Pan's form, it is AMAZING. It is just more smooth than the competition, and I think that is the key to his success. It isn't just pure athletic prowess (yes, he obviously is very physically gifted), but his flawless technique. Watch how much smoother he is when he takes a breath and how his arm stroke does not leave as much splash when it enters the water. His technique is just better, which clearly will make him faster than those with less perfect technique.
Phelps is the real king of drug. We don’t even know how many kinds of juices he was on.
The US team(s) was on asthma or ADHD steroids or worse!
@@chasx7062 According to his TUE for asthma, he was on Albuterol throughout his Olympic years. Albuterol is a banned substance which relaxes the muscles in the airways and increases airflow to the lungs. Because of his TUE for Albuterol, he was never tested for it so no idea how much of it did he take to juice his performance.
That explains why he looks like a 70 year old now.
Bro’s just saying shit
He's asthmatic just like 2 third of American athletes! Allowing them to dope on prohibited performance enhancing substances. 😂
Watch Pan’s interview with national TV before he left for Paris Olympics. He asked the interviewer not to braodcast it before the Olympics. This guy has been swimming those kind of timings all along.
That is what breaking records is all about. It feels inhuman until it becomes human.
People keep bitching about the shallow pool. Finke broke the WR, Dressel broke the WR, ledecky broke Olympic record. All in the same fucking pool, USA female medly new WR, Are they all doping as well, since it must be impossible in this "slow" pool?
Dressel didn't break and WR during Paris Olympic
Swimmer got more waves, especially the ones who didn’t lead. The ones who broke the records may less be affected, because they created waves for others.
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What is bro on about. Dressel didn't break no wr. He was 0.4 slower on his relay fly spit than in his prime. Also, Finke broke the wr because distance swimming doesn't use much underwaters and he was far from the pact. Watch the 100br and all of Leon's performances ruined and tell me the pool of 2.1 meters was not bad.
All American swimmers need to be tested every day.
When Pan finished the competition, a western journalist gave him a bottle of water, the coach stopped Pan from drinking it. It was taken to test and proved containing dope.
Which journalist?
@@ligeguo197 ,
Just like the female journalist who deliberately colliding with the Chinese table tennis player Wang Chuqin, her identity would not be expose until the organizing committee finished investigation.
The result is - she was a Swedish journalist, and the punishment was being banned from the Olympics. That’s all, I don’t even know her name from the news.
This doped water case is not the only case happened to the Chinese team, The Chinese team cannot identified the “who” without the help of the organizing committee.
@@aw888492 do you have the video I can see?
When US does something unbelievable: “Wow, look at that talent!”
When other countries do something unbelievable: “They are definitely doping!”
I don’t think so when Bolt made his world record in Beijing 2008 at 9.69 crowd cheers and gave him big big compliments! No body was ever believed a human can get into 9.7 but he did it. So that’s not a next level thing ppl jus can’t take it❤
Actually most folks were happy with Bolt record run, except for sour grapes Americans like Carl Lewis proclaiming that Bolt was doping. Only later on, when Bolt continously ran fastest, did the western media n opinions began to change grudgeingly. Most Americans, brits, aussies etc are just poor losers.
Because he’s not an athlete from the United States. Look at how people in China treated Michael Phelps, Torri Huske, Katie Ledecky and all other US swimmers who won gold or even silver.
@@eltonlei2481 Michael was very welcomed in China 2008🤣
@@eltonlei2481just think who started this shit throwing war
@@eltonlei2481 The two cannot be compared. Pan never applied for any drug exemption, while Phelps wore the armor of asthma and went on to win gold medals.
You just can’t take to lose, that’s it
Pan swam extremely angry. That with his insane talent produced that mindboggling time
You're very right. He wanted to destroy Kyle Chalmers, David Popovici and the entire field of western and American swimmers
Anger is the path to the dark side of the force. 😁
@@JasinNatael10/10 would join
Pan was angry at the media and he took it out on the World Record(s)...! Dude's the man!
@@JasinNatael No wonder “some consider (it) to be unnatural”
I’m going to say it, I really appreciate this guy love the content and the way he talks about these events. Thank you
You spent whole 12 minutes saying nothing. This could be straight, if Pan propels his arms and feet at significantly higher frequency over a significant amount of time, yes you can suspect the doping. But if that's not the case, stop your nonsense. When there is no proof of doping, at least show some technical prowess and analyze his technique. There was another WHITE channel actually saying Pan moves further per stroke and it takes him less strokes to finish the same distance. If that's true, you should talk about how everyone should follow suit.
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He trained at Shaolin Temple, that's why.
ya, thats kung fu swimming...
@@fcyong Zen swimming as Shaolin temple is a Zen temple in the first place.
😂😂😂
"Everybody was kung fu swimming
Those limbs were fast as lightening..."
Kyle has never been to China Town.
@@Shairony Ha ha ha!
There's a mourning tone to every american commentary on this. It's quite comical from an outsider standpoint. The rest of the world is like: "Hmm, a world record in swimming. That's cool I guess."
Pan was unbelievable! Biles Marchand, Sydney, thiam, Ledecky, I’m probably missing someone but honestly I thought Pan was the performance of the olympics….
Could you have a professional video to introduce Pan's swimming technique?
good question, apparently this guy has no sense on technique😅
I just find nowadays everyone is saying everyone who wins is cheating. Like seen multiple people are saying Leon is doping. Like cmon bro someone has to win, so general public stop dragging the winner. Some people are just that good
Purple face is normal?
Armstrong?
yep. it’s either that or accusing them for being men (someone accused alex walsh and katie ledecky for being men 😭)
@@izzyfishie it's mostly people who are salty about people accusing the chinese athletes so they're trying to give the "west" a taste of their own medicine or something, kind of goofy imo
Leon is the most improved swimmer currently,he went from being a "nobody" at the 2020 games,even failing to qualify for some of his events to becoming double world champ in approx 1.5 years later,now obviously this might raise some suspicion ls toxsome people that accuse him
I too could not believe it when I first saw what he went but once I got the backstory it made a little more sense. Pan was furious about how he and other Chinese swimmers were getting treated (whether they deserved it or not and whether the slight was real or not). Having watched high performance athletics for a long time, I know that one of the biggest performance enhancers out there is emotions. Lezac didn’t throw down a 46.0 in that relay leg just by riding the French anchor’s bow wave. He did it in a situation where Phelps’ 8 Olympic Golds were facing its biggest threat against a heavily favored French team as the long time anchor for the US team. If Pan was clean, this is just another example of the incredible things that can happen when you combine extreme physical fitness with raw explosive emotion. Pretty incredible to watch in any circumstance. But definitely not out of the realm of possibility.
Pan has never in his life tested positive for banned substance despite being tested 29 times so far this year and has been a swimming phenom since age 12. He has said in interviews on Chinese TV that he has achieved amazing times such as this during training but did not want to reveal his true capabilities prior to the Olympics.
When a White swimmer wins gold, the White Western Europeans celebrate. When a Yellow swimmer wins gold, the White Western Europeans accuse doping. What’s going to happen when a Black swimmer wins gold?
All the white women will try to sleep with him because they love black guys.
I refuse to say he’s doping bc he wasn’t one of the ones who tested positive initially and I desperately want this and the 45.9 relay split to be real. I’m not a China fan but those time speak for themselves regardless of team/country
The testing is very easy to beat. And I promise you China has twice the state sponsored doping that Russia has.
@@tangarz5357 You promised？😂😂😂 on what？a cheeseburger？
@@dontaskmewhy100He promised on his asthma puffer
@@tangarz5357yes it’s very easy to beat, just apply to be asthmatic
@@tangarz5357 testing very easy to beat? where is your PhD biochem degree?
American and Brirish just can't accept the fact that they lost to Asian and bring out doping issue without any evidence 😅
Sad that it's no longer innocent until proven guilty, people just jump to unfortunate conclusions for certain countries I guess
It’s VERY important to note that the US is most certainly not being left out of the blind doping accusations being thrown around. They’re actually one of the MOST accused without any of the athletes being accused having EVER tested positive for anything, ever.
@@Sockwell I believe thats mostly coming from Chinese fans in response to Pan being accused. The purple face theory was started on Chinese social media after the controversy already started, apparently as a way to cope.
If Americans hadn't jumped to conclusions about Pan then we wouldn't have Chinese doing the same to USA Swimmers. Look at the timeline, it was the American fans first..
@@Sockwell So why are the Chinese tested repeatedly but not the US team? Wouldn't it only be fair if everyone is tested the same way? genuine question
@@Sockwell IS that because USADA not letting anyone else test US athletes and them giving out hundreds of medical exemptions for their own athletes? Erriyon Knighton tested positive for banned substance and was subsequently cleared to compete this year and might actually medal. USADA cleared him due to contaminated meat - the same excuse used to clear those 23 Chinese swimmers from 3 years ago. On a whole, we have seen stats from WADA's ADAM database that shows US athletes actual test positive at a rate 5x higher than China and is 4th in the world. These Chinese swimmers were tested day and night at these olympics. Hate to see them treated this way. These olympic records will look easy in a decade and people would have felt dumb for questioning them on face value.
@@Sockwellthis would be plausible IF USA was testing crazy amount of times China has been tested but thats not the case. USA has control over Olympic
now that Phelps is no longer competing...he want life-time ban for doping...
The most glaring solution is to step up with more testing from countries that are lax about it (ahem, US of A). People on the Salem doping witch hunt always deflect that athletes dope during training and then cycle off during competition. Then test more out of competition, which we know a certain country does the bare minimum in a cat away, mouse will play scheme.
The easiest method of not getting caught is simply knowing testing isn't a threat - or it's done only during competition when they can "cycle down." It's basically no-holds-barred with that system in play.
Apparently when Phelps was an actively competing, he resisted calls for bio passports (which are in place now and anti-doping tools used in the investigation of the 23 Chinese swimmers that supported their clearance) that his rivals advocated for. I wonder why, huh?
I've already said my piece about Phelps' redemption with his substance abuses (marijuana and alcohol) where he was arrested TWICE for DUI - a criminal offense far more harmful that could have taken innocent lives (or his own). I find it all duplicitous and self-righteous.
the age, body conditioning, weight, height, perfect technique, genetics, speed, oxygen/lungs, inner health, mental health, determination and belief he can push and go further , amount of training etc etc . Pan might have just been perfect, in peak mode
I can only imagine how fast he could kick a 100 free. I would bet he can kick it faster than anyone else could kick it. His technique is his unsung ability.
I used to swim and there was a fella who was all technique we had to swim againt. We knee this because he was 5’9” tall and 135-140 lbs full grown. When he swam backstroke his kick mever broke the surface and his hands always made a slapping sound and it was soooo frickn smooth to watch and he still destroyed the competition. All technique no power.
Pan has decent power but perfect technique. Way to go Pan!! Loved the race!
I was one of the people who said to myself “holy crap! He won a 100 by over a body length”.
He is amazing!
Reminds me of Usain Bolt's 100m WR in Beijing.... it was mind-boggling
Yes. But because a Chinese athlete did it, people are skeptical. This is thanks to the hundreds of millions of dollars the US spends on smearing and spreading misinformation on China every year.
No one doubted him for doping then because it is a fixation in our minds that black guys can run. The problem here is there is a fixation in the White man minds that only White guys can swim.
True, but he kinda won on a bigger margin. We have to wait until Pan is Usain's prime age
Bolt's WR was in 2009 at Berlin, not important but just saying.
@@educatedduck6618 He did break the WR in Beijing too. Greatest 100m race ever
The double standard comes into play when nobody bats an eyelash when records get destroyed by Usain Bolt or Sydney McLaughlin. When a Chinese athlete does it, sirens and alarm bells go off all over the place.
The difference is the Chinese teams have been known to cheat over and over again.
Can help explain the “purple face controversy”? Thanks.
People think iPhone screenshots of an athlete’s face with a slightly purple hue to it after a race is enough evidence to make claims of systematic doping. It is not and the theory should be laughed at.
Chinese bots are accusing Americans of doping because Torri Huske's face gets slightly purple after she races.
@@Sockwelland it’s just coincidently the US team members who turn purple, and none others? It’s not even just one set of photos but multiple
@@mayl4152basing a systematic doping argument on iPhone screenshots of athletes in a blue LED lit venue after a race is absolutely insane behavior and an embarrassing argument to defend in any capacity.
@@Sockwell don’t avoid the question. Why is it that only the US team who turned purple and none others? And it’s not just one of their team members turning purple。
if it’s IPhone’s fault, photos of other athletes in the race turning purple afterwards should have already popped up, pls do direct me to those?
And people aren’t even accusing them of doping yet so you don’t have to be so sensitive.😜
Instead of groundless speculation, lets look at facts. The most consequencential fact IMHO is Pan's extraordinary high cadence and powerful kicks. All along, we were told/taught that arms movement account for overwhelming proportion of propulsion, ranging from 90% to maybe 70%. So for legs, 10 to 30%. In Pan's case, his legs contribution got to be at the high end and maybe even more. I think Pan has proven conventional wisdom wrong, and he has revoluntioned free style swimming!
It does happen.I 12:35 dont think dopping can explain, just purely telant which is normal people can not imagine.
This kid was 19 years old and turned into 20 few days ago. He has won many world titles in the past many years. China team swimmers have been treated unfairly, everyone tested at 5 am, 6 am and many times during the day and week. Their sleeps have been interrupted over and over. When the track and field records been broken year after year, we didn’t hear doping suspicions. Go watch his world records history and time he beat his own records with his age. JUST ASK YOURSELF, if today it’s not Pan winning, it’s from US, Britain or France - will you still ask the same question? When next time, any record being broken, shouldn’t we have the same suspicions? A little bit background of Pan - he started little and would not come out of swimming pools since he was under 5 years old. The only punishment his coach could do was not allowing him to be in the water. He has all the trophies and medals hanging in his room since he was little and only one space was saved for the Olympic Games. Do we want to say he started doping since he was little? Just like all the athletes, everyone works hard to get to their dreams. It’s not a surprise to see records being broken every time. Check on all sport records in past decades.
there is a reason why there are tested a lot, it wasnt so long ago some were caught doping, so yeah
@@als8627 2020 Olympics tested over 19K times to China athletes with 0.2% positive outcomes. Tested 6K times US athletes while US team had many more athletes than China with 6 times more positive outcomes. This Olympics US had 23 athletes all tested positive, investigation found out the foods they ate especially meats had growth hormones. China team had tested positive and retested as negative, which was the false positive test. China team was tested from 5am to 9pm several times a day. Do you think it’s fair? All athletes worked hard, trained hard, and expected to compete fairly. We didn’t hear the doping suspicions of the young swimmer from Singapore who swam faster than our greatest swimming legend, Michale P. in 2018 Olympics. Year after year, many records have been broken, that’s the facts. Many athletes from countries that never been to the finals but a lot of them did this year. We are thrilled that they are on the stage to compete and at mean time, we should be happy for the winners, continue to be better not slandering.
@@als8627 The test results of 23 Chinese people were weakly positive due to food contamination, which is different from the positive results of taking stimulants. In addition, this was detected by Chinese institutions themselves and reported to WADA.
His name is pronounced in the exact same way as Breaking the Record in our local language, a dialect in China. He is born for breaking records.
amazing!
哈哈，潘展乐～破纪录！you are the man!
Where is your hometown in China?
@@Shadowless_Kick Wenzhou
@@chirenwei Even in mandarin, the standard pronunciation, his name sounds close to “break record(破纪录)”：
潘展乐 - Pan Zhan Le
破纪录 - Po Ji Lu
its so sad that china has been accused of doping so much that it's already assumed that he was doping
When Bolt won the Men's 100M Final in Beijing in 2008 he blew the field away and started celebrating 20 meters out from the finish. Ato Bolton said they were into video game times. The world celebrated. I celebrated. Simone Biles and Phelps and Ledecky are celebrated when the win by large margins. Congratulations Pan.
The Chinese media just released an interview footage of Pan prior to Paris Olympics, he said the last word record of 46.8 he broke in Doha was just a smoke screen, he wasn't trying his best to make other swimmers drop their guard during the Olympics lol.