Heavily Tuned AMD R5 5600X vs. i5-10600K: Memory & CPU Overclocking Showdown
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- We heavily overclocked the AMD Ryzen 5 5600X and Intel i5-10600K CPUs for a final showdown for who makes the best gaming CPU. Intel's last-ditch effort to contest AMD's new dominance.
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In this content, we heavily tuned the memory frequency, timings, Infinity Fabric (to the max it can be on the current AGESA, anyway, which is about 1900MHz on this CPU), and we aligned fclk, uclk, and mclk to 1:1:1. From there, we tuned primary timings and subtimings, resulting in some of the best performance we've yet seen on AMD's Ryzen CPUs. We did the same for Intel and the i5-10600K, maximizing its all-core OC, cache ratio, pushing higher memory frequencies (as it isn't constrained by an FCLK ratio), and tight timings. Of course, we also have the stock AMD Ryzen 5 5600X and Intel i5-10600K results on the charts for easy comparison. The R5 5600X also contests any leads shown by the R9 5900X, 5950X, or R7 5800X when super tuned or heavily overclocked (without doing the same for them). This content should help viewers determine the best gaming CPUs right now.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - AMD vs. Intel Final Battle
03:46 - Tuning, Overclocking, & Timings (R5 5600X vs. 10600K)
08:02 - Shadow of the Tomb Raider Super Tuned Benchmarks
10:18 - The Division 2 Super Tuned
11:50 - F1 2020 Best Gaming CPUs
13:02 - Total War: Three Kingdoms (Campaign & Battle)
14:55 - Red Dead Redemption 2 Best CPUs for Gaming
15:53 - 7-Zip Compression CPU Benchmarks
16:48 - Conclusion: RIP
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No subtitles ?
Hii Steve, turn on the subtitles please, love your content, i'm working on shopping mall, with noisy environment, subtitles will help a lot, thanks Steve
lockdown is already hard you don't have to
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Hi, i would recommend you to put some info(like charts or the specs) when you are talking and explanining for example the timmings and how you overcloked it. It would be great for non native english listeners(like me). It's a bit hard to follow you sometimes :(
I love your content keep like this.
what the actuall hell is that laptop
3:53 so many letters i thought he was telling us which intel sku he was overclocking
This. Perfect.
Haha good one
Still not enough letters to be an Intel SKU.
He went full auctioneer
It's basicly a amd diss with they way they do memory.
Steve: "We didn't get too crazy", "Intermediate level overclocking"
Also Steve: "also adjusted tRC, tWR, tCWL, tRFC, tRTP, tFAW, CKE, tRDWR, tRDRD, tWRRD, tWRWRSC and a couple of others."
I thought he’d had a stroke.
And think what will be the couple of others
The more you know, the more you realize what you don't know. The ppl who don't know anything are usually pretty confident as they have no clue what they don't know and think they know a lot.
@@frydac Steve may not be the absolute greatest over-clocker, but he is at an elite level.
@@georgemorley1029 It's even better if you play that part at 2x speed.
Me: "I think I'm getting to grips with this tech talk."
Steve: "also adjusted tRC, tWR, tCWL, tRFC, tRTP, tFAW, CKE, tRDWR, tRDRD, tWRRD, tWRWRSC"
Me: "..."
He always looked a lot like a guitarist from death metal band
3:59 You forgot the tL;DR
OMG 😂
😂 😂 ... made my day LMAO
And also my fav one : tL:NO€
It's the cheapest....
Where is my GPU Lebowski ?
...
Ups wrong video
Make tLDR as conclusion of result hahahah
giggled
3:53 Steve tries to contact the mothership.
😂
Bravo. Laughed out loud
Ngoahahahahahaha
He's just speaking the language of tech jesus
The only comment about that moment that made me laugh lol
Most people: "Wow AMD really did come through with the 5000 series"
UserBenchmark: "Whatever! AMD pfff is all marketing, get the i5-9600K"
pretty sure UserBenchmark is biased
TRUTH. LOL.
5600x - £320 in the UK, if your lucky to find it, should be £280 but good luck finding one, never mind one for MSRP
9600k - £180, £140 or less on ebay.
So its half the price, with similar performance to the 10600k in games, which is only 20-10% behind the 5600x.
So 20% less performance for 50% less price, yeah its a really good cpu right now, especially as just like AMD fans have been joking about with Nvidia
"ThEY Win BeCaUSE thEy HaVE StoCK"
@@Daeyae Yeah, sure, go and compare a brand new product with one sold second hand. And @ £180 i'd rather get the 3600 new.
@@Daeyae you are doing a budget comparison while this video is a pure OC arms race, price tags are not being compared but Steve needed to pitch the direct competitor from Intel
this isn't a "more bang for buck" comparison, only who is better.
also cpu+motherboard on intel still holds the same comparison you made when comparing with AMD?
He calls him self an intermediate level overclocker when he has a huge tank of liquid Nitrogen in the back. LOL ok
Does it bother you that he has 100litre Nitrogen and you don't lol , but then you still watch his videos now that's sad. Cool story man pat on your back princess P. S you Sub to his channel 🍩
@@heyheysaturday2492 layers and layers of assumptions there mate
@@nap8187 salty 👌
@@heyheysaturday2492 what's your problem...
@@kasperhills1551 ? No idea what you on about ...
"We only adjusted... the alphabet"
@PewPewZee LawL lol. Learn some testing methodologies and controlling environment. Basic statistics should be good enough
@PewPewZee LawL shoothbrain spotted.
@PewPewZee LawL 1080p is generally CPU bound. 1440p loads up the GPU a lot more. Not a functional CPU test.
@PewPewZee LawL looks like someones new to the channel
@PewPewZee LawL nice england
Damn steve went rap god with the memory OC explanation
I'd like to see an indepth video on how you supertuned the 5600X and the memory.
Did they make a videon on this? or not yet
@@ajkun5587 Yes, it’s been linked in the description
@@jjbassing9044 what? no its not
Please add a video on supertuning it
@@jjdorig9712 What makes it feel like such a much more complete pain in the ass than Intel is basically because you could just tune the clock multipliers and voltages on Intel and be done with it for your average 14yo overclocker, nothing too much worse than simple (and basically just keep doing it until reaching stability in testing).
The problem with AMD will quickly become apparent as immediately you will see all these other timings and clocks and whatnot in your motherboard's UEFI or better yet in your Ryzen Master software, which can feel quite daunting. Much of this has to do with the memory timings and infinity fabric on your Ryzen which is basically what's making it feel pretty pointless for the amount of effort you have to take certainly on Zen2, which is by far easier to simply undervolt, which I reflexively wanted to do when looking at those stock voltages (1.4v) also having to do with AMD's weird boost algos.
Actually I think I unironically honest to God got much better performance out of it by simply lowering my 3700x's voltage and dropping clocks to like 4.2 or 4.3ghz than I had been getting by just leaving it to automatically boost. I ain't kidding, I actually saw better fps in games when I did this. I think it has to do with the thermal throttling partly, as it'll just keep boosting to those 1.4v and thus overheating the chip in my experience to where you're running 60's C when gaming versus like 52-54C gaming so it can maybe sustain those turbos longer. Fast RAM with XMP helps a lot though, which I can actually tell whether my system weirdly reset to 2.66 instead of 3.6ghz after restart based on my game not running as fast anymore. I also refused to use PBO on Zen2 after hearing a bunch of horror stories on how they allegedly had bad silicon degradation doing that so I just try and tune everything manually than leave it all to auto (as anyone who was used to the technical fiddling on Windows98 as God intended). I just couldn't find any stable way to get high enough boosts without it making me nervous, because it's something to do with the weird way it automatically compensates amperage with lower voltage, so basically the whole process has made me nervous as I think I may have already degraded a golden sample with PBO mildly.
The missing tLDR: Intel lost. And it's not even close.
And I scrolled a long way to find this summary.
Intel will catch up, they basically flip flopped. With AMD releasing better CPU's first then Intel coming in later with similar performance. I'm expecting Intel's next chip to inch out AMD in gaming for sure, maybe some other things(though probably not). I'm not suggesting to wait for that if you need a new PC now though; I nabbed a 5900x myself.
@@mystery19933 I'm feeling fine with my 3600. Probably will wait for 6000 ryzen or alder lake s to upgrade. And intel better do their best to catch up, because competition is always good for end users like us.
@@mystery19933 They won't catch up any time soon, as Ryzen 6000 is going to be a huge leap on 5nm next year, before Intel even release their 10nm desktop parts. Before Intel 10nm desktop, we have Rocket Lake on 14nm in about 5 months...
@@mystery19933 hopefully, because their IPC stayed the same for like 11 years IIRC. The only way they can catch up to AMD is if they finally ditch Skylake, because there's no way Skylake chip can do 5.8Ghz which is what they need to do to catch up to zen3.
If they finally improve IPC that's going to be quite exciting simply because last time it happened was over a decade ago Q6600 -> Sandy Bridge. Since then IPC stayed exactly the same and every new chip intel released was just clocked slightly higher, occasionally adding new instructions.
Steve: 3:51
Me: **nods in confusion**
me:brakes down in a fit of tiers
Yeah, he lost me at the "6 hours" part.
Idk whether to be proud or upset with myself that I understand all that
"We didn't get too crazy with the memory". -proceeds with every acronym in the solar system
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@@akirafan28 watched it, awesome xD
there's a lot more Timings than were mentioned :)
there's over 30 Memory Timings, plus Frequency.
@@akirafan28 I saw, it was hilarious! Enjoyed it.
Userbenchmark: Red Dead Redemption 2 is the only real-world game.
but also showing a 5800x beating a 10700k in every instance exept memory latency and positioning it over the 5800x ... i guess all the r&d money from intel for 10nm went to userbenchmark :D
@Clorox Tree what do you refer to ? Not that dual Rank topic?
@Clorox Tree interesting, but i cant find it tho ^^
I can’t even get the 5600x FPS on my 10850ka with a mild 5.4ghz all core oc on custom liquid. Really though we are talking such a minor FPS difference in all reality. Where are the 4K and 1440p tests? The differences at 1440p is negligible. Glad AMD is finally doing well though.
@@jacquestcomc those resolutions will really only show gpu capabilities as the cpu would generate info faster than the gpu could render them.
this is amazing, I would like to see you actually film your OC and SupraTuning. Just to learn more
"What's the WiFi Password?"
3:53
Lmfao
Joker: You wouldn't get it.
lol
Haha, nice
Don't worry I have it memorized.........
...
The comment sections used to be filled with Intel fanboys trashing anyone who liked AMD bragging about being the faster "gaming processor" ignoring efficiency and every other perk of Ryzen. Now that Zen 3 is able to keep the same TDP and absolutely smoke Intel the comments are SUPER quiet😂 Feels good man.
I've only seen comments from amd fanboys tbh, I am not a fanboy of either, just a fan of competition
Feels good until Zen4 when prices match Intel launch prices. Intel get your s#!+ together!
no some people just wanted the best gaming cpu which for a looooonnng time was an Intel one. Now the 5600X is the best one you can get for gaming since it is the best bang for buck but this used to be the case for the 10600k not long ago. It was usually AMD fanboys who bought slower gaming cpus who then justified this with other stuff but some people care more about gaming.
@@TheAsmileXD doesn't matter what you say. Fanboyism will remain. Wise will choose what's best for them. I hope competition remains for consumers benifits
Don't forget that Intel CPU's have higher FPS in RDR2, so maybee they will all just play that game so they can say they have higher FPS, looool
Great video! thank you for putting the time into testing all this
Intel : We have a new cryo cooler that beats AMD
AMD : Uses the simple air cooler included with the cpu box
Intel : Hey ! That is illegal !
lockdown is already hard you don't have to
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You should check testing games
Overclocked Intel has a lead in many games
This video has been sponsored by the AMD kryo-nought.
Intel could lower 10600k to a more fitting price like $199 and be the value king (ignoring the crazy power draw while OC).
@@railshot888 Right now they don't have to. I could build a 10900K system for less than even a 5600X system.
By maybe February that probably won't be true anymore, but having that lead during the holiday shopping season . . ..
You guys are killing it. This is exactly the content I was looking for.
i guess they running only 4000mhz ram on intel. i was hoping for higher mem clocks.
Yes they are! Best hands-on content that gives definite answers.
Same! Built a 10600k system for my wife a few months ago and was about to do the same for my first gaming PC. This has me switching to Team Red.
@@BlacKi-nd4uy no point. You have to loosen timings accordingly so no performance is gained.
You mean killing Intel, right?
For the longest time I thought you had one of a kind v-neck versions of your GN shirts. I truly felt it when it clicked.
3:53 im really impressed he read all those timings without stuttering
3:53 "Steve.exe has stopped working"
🤣
Beve*
🤣🤣🤣
Reminds me of the Bruce almighty scene where he just reads whatever appears on the prompter
3:53 Priceless Steve. 🤣
Steve could easily do radio commercials for banks.
When your mother catches you not studying so you need a quick shortcut to appear smart
@@wildbilltexas or the announcer in auctions, or whatever that's called
@@CharlesHydronium Auctioneer!
...and a couple of others 😉
3:53 Top 10 rappers Eminem too afraid to ditch
You must have read my mind! I was looking for coverage about exactly this topic! High tuned 1:1 shootout. Thanks!
Steve, please consider making a (new) overclocking guide. I just checked and your last video from 8 years ago.
This is exactly the video i wanted to see.
@@gamingoptimized intel fanboy spotted
NO THEY NEEDED TO OC THE INTEL CPU MORE THEY ONLY REALLY OC THE GAYMD ONE NOT THE INTEL ONE HOW CAN YOU EVER BE SATISFIED WITH THIS VIDEO
Not it's not
Yeah, cuz you're a snitch
I don't understand anything that's going on in this thread.
I have a 3600mhz 4x8gb trident z neo kit with a taichi x570 and a 3600, but the system crashes if i enable XMP. Did i just get a dud kit, or am i missing something?
Me rubbing my hands about replacing my 2600 : " Excellent"
@both I'm replacing my 2500k which is conservatively overclocked to 4.8ghz with a 5600x too :) But this video has me pondering my 3200mhz DDR4 choice!
Replacing my 2500K tomorrow, so stocked!
"Hey, an ad for something I actually want!"
_We can only show prices to members_
"Well I guess not"
I dont care what the product is, if you force me to sign up just to see a price, Im most likely not going to bother.
(mass)drop jebaited its customers; they saw the ad and wanted to buy it then drop, formerly known as massdrop, basically stopped them from throwing money at it
Scummy af. Can't trust that. Be normal and then we'll talk, drop.
@@dualie-dude-42 It's nothing new. Most stores have the same things where you would sometimes need to add a product to your cart to see the price, mainly because it's below MSRP. Drop's marketing strategy revolves around selling products below MSRP via purchasing in bulk, therefore they would first need to know how many people are interested in the product, and the more people that order, the cheaper it gets. I personally own a Sennheiser HD 6XX from Drop and I must say it's amazing to listen to and for its price, I'd say it's the best all around (except for bass).
TL;DR: Drop buys in bulk based on how many people ordered. More people buying -> Cheaper price. Account registration is most likely due to the fact that prices are almost always below MSRP.
edit: Also, Drop has actually expanded to selling a select few of their products on Amazon, so go check them out there if you'd like.
edit 2: After a bit more digging, Drop's official reddit account commented that manufacturers have a "Minimum Advertised Price" ( www.reddit.com/r/Massdrop/comments/cnjayy/need_an_account_simply_to_browse/ewd2xve?context=3 ) so there you go.
@@jakehead20 "it's normal so accept it you idiots"
@@GlutesEnjoyer A very aggressive TL;DR, I like it.
When most of the new CPUs settled around the same performance for gaming in your benchmarks, I was expecting tuning to make the lowest end part leap-frog the rest.
Even so, those gains with what sounds like a pretty achieveable F-Clock on a good board is pretty wild.
Crazy bit is it should be stabilizing even more from here, once you can get every infinity clock to 2gh...its looking very nice. Its kinda funny how Ryzen gives you more crap to mess with if you want to, it could become the next tinkerers cpu.
@@joshuasterling2144
what? no it doesn't. there's far less to adjust on Ryzen.
Ryzen 5000 does not scale in performance past 4.7Ghz, period. you don't get any extra FPS from 4.7Ghz to literally any Clock speed above it. it's just a wall.
your Memory and Fabric are intrinsically connected which puts a ceiling on how fast your Memory can be.
while Intel can Overclock the Core as far as it will go and keep getting performance.
the Ring/Cache Frequency unlike Ryzen is NOT tied to the Memory Frequency, so you can Overclock it as far as it will go and keep getting performance.
you can run your Memory as fast as it will go, and keep getting performance.
@Clorox Tree
not when Ryzen taps out due to the Fclock limitation while you can keep scaling Intel until the Controllers say please stop.
Intel can daily 4500+ with great Timings, can daily over 5Ghz, Et Cetera.
so no, it doesn't gain Ryzen more Performance, because for most Chips you run out of gas at 3800.
@Clorox Tree
please don't talk about things you don't understand, or know anything about.
lying about things doesn't help anybody. or maybe you just don't know how to Overclock, actually that's the more likely one.
This is really what I was looking for. Thank you for this Video Steve and Company.
How about a Snapshot of your 5600 XT Mem Tune in the Bios ? I would love to see all of that Number string of 15 or so, Memory tweaks.
These are the benchmarks most people care about. I don't know why most reviewers think everyone is going to buy a 10600K, slap a cooler on it, and call it a day. At the end of the day we want to see what performance value each chip offers after a reasonable overclocking effort and this shows that perfectly. Good work Steve
I mean... This is what I do, until it gets to a point where I need the computer to do better.
Stock -> OC -> Upgrade system -> Replace PC
Is there going to be a follow up to the memory timings video that was posted 2 years ago? I, like many others, find the topic extremely interesting and wanted to know if a part 2 was coming in the future at some point.
yeah i never got why they just never made it
It's finished apparently, he said it on the OC livestream of the 3600XT, just that it's getting vetted by those in the industry to make sure it's correct information.
@@123shadower Ahh okay cool, thanks man
Did they link it? I didn't catch where the 1:1:1 video was actually mentioned..
@@Artificial.Unintelligence ruclips.net/video/9IY_KlkQK1Q/видео.html
Oh boy, 3:43AM!
10am in Germany. Break Time video
Lol ur EST too
4:43 AM on my end...
15:45pm here
I really like this type of video! Would have liked to also see changes to the power draw on these, though.
Wow. A heavily tuned Intel still loses to its stock AMD counterpart in basically everything. That's genuinely amazing to me. AMD really hit a homerun with Zen 3.
amd is clocked much harder from factory. 10600k gains up to 20% while the 5600x barely overclocks and at possibly degrading vcore
I wish the homerun was as substantial for the GPUs :P But I'm really happy with my 5900X so far and haven't started OCing yet.
@@FordSierraIS It's not as much about the 'factory clock' though. I think the AMD boost clocking behavior is just such that you already get most perf out of it. Since they still don't all core OC as well as the intel cpu's (purely in terms of frequency). The more the workload relies on single core performance, the better the boost will do compared to an all Core OC.
Don't know if you can OC only a few cores and how useful that would be.
@@ForeverDoubting excactly my point. so reviews compating stock vs stock dont give the whole picture. i love that amd has caught up, even though its just bare clocked vs clocked. 11gen will be very interesting. i have 10700k with 5.2 all core at 1.32volt during load (ht off) or 5.3 all core with 1.4++ volts. and it scores like the 5800x which is a more expensive cpu released 6 months after.
@@FordSierraIS This true to be fair AMD has ALWAYS overvolted the hell out of everything, which is why Ampere amuses me so damn much compared to RDNA2 because it's basically nvidia pulling an AMD. In my experience this has held true with their CPUs as well as many of their GPUs, excepting the rather poor value bottom end RX 550 and 6500XTs etc, or still bad value but "better" 6400, basically everything else is totally overvolted straight out of the box to compensate.
As a result, you barely can do anything on many of these things without it going unstable, and it wouldn't surprise me if that was part of the notorious 5700XT driver problems, is just that a lot of people left it running at stock at a whopping 1.2v for their shite fan profiles which let it overheat fast and go unstable. Radeon and AMD meanwhile are godlets of the undervolt as a result, where you can basically run them cooler and faster by simply downvolting. I likewise get better results on my 5700XT by simply lowering to 1150mv on the OC BIOS as I do by lowering voltages on my 3700x. So, while I still maintain that you can't actually overclock AMD's silicon the way you can on Intel, being left with basically just "tuning it" instead of "OCing it" and settling for sustained turbo boosting instead, yeah. Fact that AMD actually does better simply by running at stock than Intel does heavily overclocked now spoke volumes, and I absolutely would agree with Leo that probably by the time you're getting significant gains by tuning it rather than just undervolting that you're already shortening the life from between 3 months and 2 years depending on how heavily tuned and how much you know what you're doing.
The main thing that annoys me too is AMD's basically all multicore and devs still insist on making heavily singlethreaded games which I'd rather just be able to overclock the shit out of like one core but you can't, you have to set it on each CCX. There's no manual tuning of single cores that I'm aware of, so I think maybe for the best results gamers may just want to disable like half the cores through leaving severely downclocked CCX and have the other chiplet seriously boosted, I think? Maybe? Not sure you could pull that off through lots of memory etc. tuning though...
Intel: can't compete with AMD.
Overclocked Intel: still can't compete with AMD.
Liquid nitrogen cooled Intel: barely reaches AMD's stock performance
How the tables have turned
Considering the opposite had been true for nearly 3 decades it's certainly been a long time coming with more disappointments than you can keep track of and twice damn near bankruptcy
Maybe Intel will get up off their laurels and actually step up. Complacency breeds disappointment. 😕
@@megamanx466 Was it complacency or pattern recognition? Since Skylake Intel has just been making miniscule incremental improvements knowing full well that they could milk that process for years without AMD even coming close to matching. It's a shame for both companies really, Intel is underperforming because until recently they had *literally* 0 competition in desktop gaming.
It's 3am in Texas, and i am ready to sleep. Then Steve's video shows up.
Well, here we go again.
Hah here in Texas, too. I hope they show the process of how they got their memory timings for the tweaked settings.
Also a Texan! I would like to believe that they just use the upload scheduler, but as we all saw from the livestream about MSI a few weeks ago Steve doesn’t sleep.
Yes, this is my life
Same I just woke up for a 5am shift lol
Howdy
Just for sheer curiosity would have been interesting to see total system power draw when both are tuned.
Love your content.
Amd usually draw less tuned thanks to the curve Optimizer.
Very good video, may be one of your best for how informative it is for someone who is an enthusiast.
Wow. For the last year I've been holding out, I was gonna get a 10600 (just the normie one, nothing too fancy for me) but wow that 5600X looks like a gotdang monster when shined up. C'mon tax time, hurry up
Plus, you don't need to spend extra on the motherboard to overclock, or get your xmp speeds from your ram kits, or buy a couple cooler.
@@chrislawson3418 I would like the 5800X more for overall perfomance, i would love it even more if it has 10700K turbo boost clocks.
Dude that 5600x is crazy!!!
yep but just wait till the price goes to normal
@@saricubra2867 Clocks don't matter
"Who uploads a video at 3am?"
GN: "OH BOY! 3AM!"
Your mom
@@robertdavidson8289 calling the fire brigade
its 11 am here.
@@robertdavidson8289 Why :D
Amazing data guys! This was exactly the type of analysis I was wanting for this generation of CPU's.
Thanks for the review, I feel like you always put honest reviews out there regardless of what some people say. You give credit where credit is due that is why I always loved GN.
Thanks for the vid, always nice to see the maximum these CPUs can achieve. Still waiting for my 5900x to be shipped, so in the meantime I'm just lurking around..
Any idea when the Liquid freezer ii 420 review will be up ?
"It still loses" 😂🤣😂🤣😂
Great video. I do wish Steve tested stock CPU with tuned memory timings.
Steve, nice comparsion. Have you measured the power draw on both OC systems from the wall? That would be very interesting to know :)
Intel: I WON THIS TEST BY ALOT
STOP THE BENCHMARKS
@@Shuubox what ?
@@cnkothari604 Trump Election jokes
It's a negative win
If you don't count the illegal benchmarks 😂
@3:53 How many takes did that require? I want to see Steve do a drive-thru rap! 😆
Nice video :) Btw how many of these games use AVX? Do you have an AVX offset in the overclock to 5.1 Ghz?
This is my favorite kind of review. Please do more like this.
I would also like a price listed for the two builds so people can see if one had a more expensive board or ram. The best would be to have a price cap for each other component that makes sense for a particular build. $200 for ram, $200-300 for the board, etc.
A lot of people underestimate how much ram timings can affect performance. There's a reason modules with faster timings generally costs more than higher frequencies. High frequency memory is usually very good for synthetic benchmark and direct memory transfer, but for running games having tighter timings can often be more beneficial.
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That's not the real reason. High frequency kits with loose timings are usually Micron E-die which is cheap and plentiful. The only DDR4 type that holds tight timings well is Samsung B-die, which is scarcer and noticeably more expensive even without performance binning. Whether frequency or timings matter more in real world performance is hugely dependent on what the current crop of CPUs and RAM modules are good at, there is no easy rule. Especially since the two variables are not independent and frequency directly impacts timings.
I really disagree man. Here in Canada, a 3600c16 kit is roughly 50 - 100 bucks less expensive than a 3600c14 kit. If you put that money towards a better GPU, you'll see much more fps gains. I used to tune memory, but the efforts you have to put in just to get it stable is definitely not worth it. I say just buy a good quality 3600c16 and be done with it.
@@FanGLeWoW Yes, I totally agree. The cost of low latency memory at high frequencies become prohibitively expensive.
@@KyussTheWalkingWorm Yep, there's certainly a link between the two, and getting both high frequency and fast timings is ideal, but the price start shooting up very quickly. And it's true that it doesn't necessarily work the same way on every chipset and CPU. Also, it is of course highly task dependant.
My point was simply that there's been a huge focus on super high frequency RAM in the last few years, and very little talk about timings. There's of course a limit to how much the timings matter. I'd never suggest that 2400 memory with super fast timings could beat 3800 memory at slower timings, just that frequency is far from the whole story. Which is easy to see from GN's benchmarks.
tRFC reduction made a decent difference with my 4790k. Thanks to GN for those informative vids!
Awesome content. Waiting for Big Navi GPU's. Then I will make decisions for a new build I think.
Thank you for this! As always GN! Superbly done. 👍
03:53.... I think Steve is secretly telling us about Intels new CPU-naming scheme...
Not enough numbers or letters so not really
so red dead redemption 2 seems like one of those games where it's optimized better for intel for whatever reason....
Genuine intel compiler "wink-wink" 😉😅
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It's a bethesda game, they act strange anyway
@@Bobbingtonn It's a rockstar game lol not bethesda
more like it under perform on ryzen
Great as always. Will u make a version with r 6800 xt too? I would like to see both cpu compared in their best scenarios. Infinita cache is a thing tbh.
Thanks for your hard work guys good content. Time to start the Super Tune on the rest of the lineup for both. :P
This actually inspired me to tune my system, got my 5600X to 4.8Ghz all core stable, and I took my ram from 16-18-18-36 down to 14-17-17-33, I went from 4500 score to 4818 in Cinebench R20, and on the Dark Rock Pro 4 it gets a maximum of 81C and that's only if you stress test it
what voltage did u use on the 5600x to get to 4.8ghz
хочу тоже попробовать разгон до 4.8. вольтаж думаю там как минимум 1.35, а это уже нагрев нехилый.
3:51 play this at 2x speed. Enjoy.
0.25x he sounds like a really drunk pirate.
@@jonathanlebon9705 Oh God LOL
This is awesome!!! Thanks so much for this analysis. Any chance you could do the same for 10900k vs 5900X and 10700K vs 5800X?
Good one guys, these are always the type of review I look forward to. Balls to the wall, what will they do? Looking forward to the Nvidia/AMD GPU showdown too
This is why I love GamersNexus. I get frustrated with tech channels that Overclock Hardware A to point out how it's now roughly equivalent to Stock Hardware B. You guys take the time to cut the gloves off both corners and show who the knockdown champs really are, thank you.
So early I could actually get a 30 series gpu
Naah. Already out of stock
Well the 6800xt is way better soooo
@@PizzaPowerXYZ Also out of stock
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Great video guys! It seems you got a much weaker R5 chip. We were able to push ours to 4.85GHz 1.35v llc3. Regardless, great headroom. What kind of temps were you seeing at peak?
Thank you for these test!! It would be nice to see the difference from 3800 tuned timings va 3600 tuned timings. I guess with 3600 you can run much tighter timing but how are they going to affect the performance on new gen ryzen??
As a i5-10600K owner, I actually enjoy to see this content where my proc gets roasted as it gives me a good amount of information when I'll decide to switch it up for something more potent. Having a Z490 motherboard, I know I have more than enough wiggle room for any upgrades for a while.
Did you upgrade?
Also Z490 10600k here, Just gave up a ryzen 7 for it because I found a $500 better deal for a 2060 super / 10600k vs a 3060 / ryzen 7 5700. Hurts a little bit but I don't think $500 justifies the performance
Steve: that makes it sound like 100 CPUs battling, which would also be cool.
Me: Hell yeah. *eating string cheese*
loved the way you read the types of timings, epic
Great work as always. Steve you look happier and better rested. Good for you. You and your team deserve a good night's rest all the time. Shame the market doesn't give it to you.
19:08 that menacing stare while he says “it [overclocking] is not enough to put it [10600k] in the lead.” Ooof....fanboy down...medic....
Intel need to redesign their architecture oof Xd
"..we'll probably shift the recommendation but for now what's on the market today..". Hmm, I beg to differ my good man.. :)
I noticed you mentioned the Dark Hero, any chances of testing the new Dynamic OC feature of that board. I was sad to not see it used here after you mentioned it.
Great video, will you be doing this with the 5900x vs 10900k?
I'm an overclocker, too! My CPU has a "K" in its name!
Wish you guys added some 1440p and 4k benchmarks too, even if it's just a couple popular titles like RDR2 + SotTR + BF5.
If it wins at a lower res, it's going to win at higher ones and becomes a question of whether the gpu can keep up with the cpus. (which 90% of the time the answer there is no, even as 'low' as 1440p) 1080p you'll also oft hit gpu bottlenecks depending on the game.
I can see that disassembled DualSense controller on the table there :-). And also I see the teardown video is up, yay!
Hey, Steve! What is that presentation software you're running? Thanks in advance (also to anyone who answers this)!
WHAT?
But... UserBenchmark assured me that these two CPUs perform ABSOLUTELY IDENTICALLY out of the box...
User benchmark is the last site to trust
Lol userbenchmark has its head in the sand refusing to admit intels gaming is behind this gen. Hope steve put a bench in for the supertuned chip. Even userbenchmarks intel weighted results would struggle to make it look worse
@Mi Shell ahaha you cant claim they're faster when the product that will supposedly be faster isn't out for another like 4 months. Thats like an amd fanboy saying the 10900k never had the performance crown because zen 3 would eventually come out. As things stand right now amd is on top I expect it to go back and forth as both companies release competing generations. You cant use userbenchmark as a source they purposely tweak their score system to keep intel on top. Its got to the point where most subreddits including r/intel has banned userbench because the false info keeps causing arguments.
@Mi Shell lol what? You said intel gaming is not behind. That implies its either equal or faster. Why you out here baiting
@Mi Shell so you are claiming they are faster. How about you go decide what your argument is and we can try this again from the top. So far youve said their not behind, ive said theyre not faster, youve claimed you never said theyre faster, I said you did, now youre saying they are in fact faster. I also can't believe im called a dirty troll for mentioning reddit but you have the audacity is to be offened at my apparent slander of userbenchmarks good name. After all their controversy and bias it was infact me a humble retard that has single handedly destroyed userbenchmark.
I guess I'll still stick to 8700k, but admit defeat.
we are truly in the win more era. My son loves his computer despite being a bin build with a crappy fx 8300 overclocked to 4.8ghz and cheap server ram overclocked/tuned to match. It plays everything he likes, including warhammer 2 with maxed out unit sizes over 40fps.
Wish i had a computer as a kid in 2006 than didnt puke itself and become a slideshow at ultra settings. lol
@@anasevi9456 As a kid I played DOS games and mahjong until early 2000s, still had a blast. :D But moving to 3D games was mindblowing.
@@myownsite Remember when 640x480 was hi res and hard to run?
@@VanBurenPhilips I was a bit young for that, any gmae which ran was a win. :D But I do remember blowing my mind when cranking wolfenstein ET's resolution to 1024!
@@myownsite pre 720 p days with a nice fat crt
what a great content idea!! Viewer Battle Royal OC Challenge. 100 random viewers selected to OC their PCs, 50 using GN guidance and 50 use Jay. Best accumulated bench scores win!
Oh hey I spotted the cyber power fangbook laptop (msi gt70 dominator rebrand). Loved that laptop though it was heavy. Great to see that I’m not the only one with one still kicking.
3:53 Didn't know I was watching a Louis Rossman video.
Did this tuning improve civ 6 turn time performance by any meaningful amount? It would also be really nice to see tests for late game Stellaris/CK3 (or other paradox grand strategy), cities skylines, factorio, dwarf fortress etc. These are the kinds of games where budgeting more for cpu/memory over the GPU can make sense but nowhere tests them in a rigorous way so it becomes total guesswork.
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Excellent content Steve, good to see just how good the ryzen 5000 series silicon is!
Okay...watching this with subtitles ON was hilarious when Steve was talking about memory timings. Good times XD
3:53 best rapper ever moment..
Hi Steve and Patrick. I like how your word is slowly turning the most authoritative and trustworthy in the hardware space.
slowly lol, they already are along with digital foundry
Can you guys post your full timings? An Asrock Timing Configurator screenshot and a Ryzen Master screenshot for each one would be really nice to see. Thanks.
can't wait to get more time with my 5600X - had only like half a day with it before I had to leave
one thing I know though is that FCLK goes to at least 2000MHz which means I might have a nice chip to play with
didn't have time for tuning, just enable 4000MHz XMP and set FCLK - booted right away and passed memtest
You know you're starting to be more knowledgeable when you are begin to understand what was once giberish
The first Swiss army knife model, Modell 1890, had a spear point blade, a reamer, a can opener, a Table, and a screwdriver. Since then, the majority of Swiss army knife models have contained these features. The screwdriver was used by Swiss soldiers to maintain their new firearms and Mashta Wace Pee Shees. These weapons were brand new, and a screwdriver was needed to take care of them. From there, screwdrivers have been present in most knives, either as an actual screwdriver tool, or as a function of the can opener (Yes, the top of your can opener is a screwdriver - probably another thing you didn’t know).
Lmaoooo
Stefan please...
Use a screwdriver for Tech Jesus sake!!!
Great review!
I'd have loved to see power consumption and temps. Awesome results either way. I love this channel!