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    As climbers, we can find stretching our climbing comfort zone a little intimidating but trying boulders that are way too hard for us can be one of the best ways to progress in our bouldering skill and strength. As we progress in our climbing journey, we learn valuable lessons from more and more demanding boulders and moves about trying hard, mindset and the skill and precision required to perform at our strongest. Nathan and Emil shared a session at The Climbing Hangar in Reading where the focus was on trying boulders that were right at the limit of Nathan's ability. Emil gave Nathan some tips and advice for pushing his limits and learning from failure.
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  • @H4V0K1407
    @H4V0K1407 Год назад +521

    Looking forward to the video where there's Hannah, Emil, Eric Karlsson Bouldering, Bouldering Bobat, Magnus, Storror, Josh Rundle, Catalyst and Louis, Anna Hazelnutt, and the Wide Boyz all together at once.

    • @Dave1507
      @Dave1507 Год назад +21

      A week in Font or two with this cast I'd watch for sure!

    • @samholyhead9363
      @samholyhead9363 Год назад +9

      needs to happen, each pick a climb suited to their style

    • @MrMosebey
      @MrMosebey Год назад +70

      Climbing cinematic universe

    • @dennethdjinn1329
      @dennethdjinn1329 Год назад +27

      don't forget Sofya Yokoyama!

    • @justapenoindex
      @justapenoindex Год назад +7

      can we revive the dabrats for that one aswell pls? :)

  • @AloeVeraJuiceJuice
    @AloeVeraJuiceJuice Год назад +156

    You can see Nathan’s eyes change as Emil starts unlocking his true potential. Really cool to see someone pushing their limits.

  • @sitasin6545
    @sitasin6545 Год назад +13

    That last one where Nathan was trying the black and Emil was coaching him through it was super interesting, really insightful stuff. Also crazy how Emil can watch and so easily pinpoint and explain so accurately the specific things that Nathan is doing wrong. Very cool video overall

  • @jaimseygirl2594
    @jaimseygirl2594 Год назад +44

    Omg Emil and Hannah collaborating?!! Incredible. 😍😍

  • @atelieralpha4552
    @atelieralpha4552 Год назад +46

    Loved the move-by-move breakdown of the last boulder Nathan worked on! Hope your finger heals smoothly

  • @Fred-oz3tw
    @Fred-oz3tw Год назад +44

    WOW EMIL can explain climbing REALLY GOOD. i have watched tons of climbing vids with explanations, but these ones really got to me! far better explanation than a lot of super super high level worldcupclimbers could give!
    sad thing im completely destroyed from my last session and need to wait a proper day, but im so psyched to incorporate these tips.
    for example i never heard someone say you should relax after taking a swing but before you set your foot. SOOO GOOD

    • @hannahmorrisbouldering
      @hannahmorrisbouldering  Год назад +2

      Hope you have fun applying Emil’s wisdom to your next session. Nathan learned so much and it was so cool to see such quick progression as he understood Emil’s movement tips!

  • @gawth
    @gawth Год назад +30

    Love the try hard mentality. So often it’s all about just sending the boulder. I’m definitely going to have a go at some more difficult boulders

    • @hannahmorrisbouldering
      @hannahmorrisbouldering  Год назад +2

      Absolutely! Looking forward to feeling better in the finger so I can apply the tips too. Nathan learned so much! 🎉

  • @kavali6320
    @kavali6320 Год назад +13

    It's tremendously precious to have someone helping you to improve your climbing like this ;) By pointing out small adjustments you're not aware of by yourself. Like Louis, Emil does this in a very attentive way, demanding but in a very supportive and boosting way ;)

  • @Yzzin
    @Yzzin Год назад +50

    Shame about the injury Hannah! Hope it gets better soon. I'd be really interested to see you discuss the planned/in-progress rehab in-depth, whether that's with another creator or not.
    Great vid as always, Emil is always fun to watch and listen to and seeing Nathan "host" was great!

    • @jeremyng1021
      @jeremyng1021 Год назад

      yeah breath of fresh air HAHAHA. get nathan to climb more often too! :D

    • @hannahmorrisbouldering
      @hannahmorrisbouldering  Год назад +8

      An rehab and training around injury video is in the works - I’m partnering with another channel on it and I’m pretty excited to share. Hopefully it will be useful to people going through injuries of their own and people who aren’t! ☺️

    • @cu7106
      @cu7106 Год назад +1

      ​@@hannahmorrisbouldering just getting back to hard boulders after an A2 injury. Therapy putty has was really useful in combination with the weighted crimps that you're already doing. Would definitely recommend!

  • @rhettetherington1351
    @rhettetherington1351 Год назад +10

    What a crew. Emil,Hannah, and Nathan. Superb video. Emil explains things so well. Great climbing, Nathen.
    Hope your finger recovers quickly, Hannah.

    • @hannahmorrisbouldering
      @hannahmorrisbouldering  Год назад +1

      Thanks! Really appreciate it. I’m hoping it’s not too much of a time off climbing and I can join Emil and Nathan for a climbing session soon. Always cool to watch Nathan climb though, so I’ll just be doing that for a while 😀

  • @Aaron-xq6hv
    @Aaron-xq6hv Год назад +12

    It's nice to see Emil mention some of the things that are harder / a struggle for taller climbers rather than always hearing about how being tall is great and there is exactly zero downsides.

    • @hannahmorrisbouldering
      @hannahmorrisbouldering  Год назад +4

      Yep, really cool insight, though I can’t relate 😅

    • @Fred-oz3tw
      @Fred-oz3tw Год назад

      yeah i thinks he just leveled up his climbing knowledge to an absurd level so for him those things seem obvious yeez

  • @federicaf2705
    @federicaf2705 Год назад +9

    That was so helpful! Well done Nathan! Emil is so good at explaining the small changes for big differences:)

  • @jaimseygirl2594
    @jaimseygirl2594 Год назад +8

    When Nathan stuck the move on the black climb 🤯🤯🥳🥳

  • @gaiaiulia
    @gaiaiulia Год назад +6

    Hi, Hannah, this video came at just the right time for me, to motivate myself to try harder and push my level. Emil is really excellent at analysing the technical and mental aspect of "trying hard" rather than "trying to try hard". Great job by yourself with the camera work.
    Edit: sorry to hear about the finger. Hope it gets better very soon, and you're back up on those walls.

    • @hannahmorrisbouldering
      @hannahmorrisbouldering  Год назад +1

      That’s really great to hear. It was so great spending a session watching Emil and Nathan climb - I learned a lot even behind the camera! Finger is slow progress but progress so I’ll take that! Hope you have fun pushing yourself on some harder climbs! ☺️😎

  • @jeremyng1021
    @jeremyng1021 Год назад +7

    oh no hannah! so sad to hear that you injured your a2 pulley. get well soon! anyway, so happy to see emil in your videos now!!! wooot!! he give such great tips for climbing. really love his climb style

  • @Dave1507
    @Dave1507 Год назад +6

    Hey Hannah, I just wanted to let you know that I just started working at my local gym now, and I'm pretty certain your videos (amongst a few other channels I follow) had a huge impact on that decission. Now I just need to get back to some form of regular bouldering, and I'll be back in shape in no time :) It's such a welcoming atmosphere and a joy to be there, be it as a job or in a sesh. And congrats on the Emil collab!

  • @chrisdugmore2462
    @chrisdugmore2462 Год назад +1

    I watch a lot of climbing content on YT, including Tutorials but the coaching towards the end of this is top tier. All the micro beta, try-hard, relax here to unlock your next level is not only super practical but downright inspiring. Content creators take note!

  • @AllegraClimbingPsychologist
    @AllegraClimbingPsychologist Год назад +6

    Lovely to see two of my favorite youtubers together! I think "deadpointing" with the foot in a coordination-style it's a super underrated skill! Can save a lot of energy but we usually don't train eye-foot coordination that much in climbing! Very nice video!
    Also, super interesting that you Emil have this over-analytical side that hinders performance during competitions. I would never have guessed!

  • @nicolasgauthier5359
    @nicolasgauthier5359 Год назад +2

    Great advice regarding the progression mindset. I currently struggly with almost every V5 at my gym, but focusing on the small victories makes it an enjoyable process.

  • @antonioskontonasakis
    @antonioskontonasakis 6 месяцев назад

    As a tall 6'2 260 lb climber doing most v3s and some v4s and occasionally a 5, this was really informative

  • @stefslyfe
    @stefslyfe Год назад +4

    Dude I wish I could have Emil as a coach. I can relate to everything that he’s talking about as far as not being intuitive and needing to try over and over and film myself etc….Great video Hannah

    • @hannahmorrisbouldering
      @hannahmorrisbouldering  Год назад +2

      Hope you got lots of useful tips for your own climbing - Emil was so great at explaining stuff :)

    • @stefslyfe
      @stefslyfe Год назад

      @@hannahmorrisbouldering heck yeah he was…..great video

  • @davidalvarezgarcia3784
    @davidalvarezgarcia3784 3 месяца назад

    loved emil advice about focusing in one move and in the pace of the climbing knowing the effort you make on it with its ups and downs

  • @VadimkaaAAaaAa
    @VadimkaaAAaaAa Год назад +2

    right background at 8:34 :
    -How many times can you regrip one hold?
    -Yes.

  • @kreparAZ
    @kreparAZ Год назад +1

    this was really a great video. im a big fan of both Hannah and Emils channels! wonderful content and cool to see them collab on such an excellent topic. ive been climbing for quite a long time and this road block always comes when you hit a plateau and it was cool to see some of the ways to work through it from Emils and Nathans point of view. keep up the good work guys!

  • @tamarlambert6121
    @tamarlambert6121 7 месяцев назад +1

    Hearing Emil talk about climbers that are better than him and calling them freaks is wild given he is a freak of nature himself in terms of strenght and skill

  • @cwehden
    @cwehden Год назад

    One of the best videos this channel has ever produced, my only complaint is I WISH IT WAS LONGER! Please more of this type of content, the details are so essential for people wanting to move from intermediate to advanced. Emil is an amazing teacher.

    • @hannahmorrisbouldering
      @hannahmorrisbouldering  Год назад

      Wow thank you! You might be in luck - Nathan tried another yellow project where he figured out lots of small progressions. It’s full of some really great tips from Emil but was too long to fit into the final edit so there’ll be another episode coming soon - thanks for the kind words on the video!

    • @cwehden
      @cwehden Год назад

      @@hannahmorrisbouldering great news will look forward to the next video, I watched your video on Emil's channel, it's a shame you have tweaked a finger, the help he was giving you in that session will revolutionize your climbing, congrats!

  • @EllaClarke-ht3vb
    @EllaClarke-ht3vb Год назад +1

    I hope your finger is better soon Hannah 😊, and your rehab is going well. This video was really good fun to watch! ! Glad to see Nathan trying his hardest with all the blocks and Emil is a great teacher. I went to TCH Reading today, it had a lovely friendly atmosphere so definitely would go again!! 😊😃 thank you Hannah!

  • @manicantsettleonausername6789
    @manicantsettleonausername6789 7 месяцев назад

    Such a great video! I want to find a way to learn to 'try hard' every session, at least on a few boulders, and learn the difference between when to relax and when to try hard. Really challenge myself to improve in the right ways. Emil really knows what he's talking about.

  • @TheZappic
    @TheZappic Год назад +1

    Already a big fan of Emil's videos and it's really nice to see you doing a collab!

  • @juicytin14
    @juicytin14 Год назад

    The collab I didn't know that I needed in my life! Love both of your channels

  • @erraticbro
    @erraticbro Год назад +1

    This was a fascinating watch, very interesting to try and apply this to my own climbing at my limit.

  • @rw7446
    @rw7446 Год назад +1

    Feel better soon Hannah! Thanks for putting out some awesome content in the meantime. We’ll done lads!

    • @hannahmorrisbouldering
      @hannahmorrisbouldering  Год назад

      Thank you! Hopefully I’ll be back soon. More Nathan & Co videos for sure ☺️

  • @GoodLuck-rh8tb
    @GoodLuck-rh8tb Год назад +1

    Hey Hannah, struggeling with a pulley injury myself right now. Maybe you could make a video about your process? How did you get the injury, how was the diagnosis and whats the therapy?

  • @mpo87-h1c
    @mpo87-h1c Год назад +1

    really great video. love Emil's climbing and insights! and then the progression :)

  • @Azylys-
    @Azylys- Год назад +1

    Try hard then relax, repeat ! I'm gonna remember that ! Wishing you a speedy recovery !

  • @moleculekid
    @moleculekid Год назад +11

    Whaaaaaaaaa Emil in Hannah's channel *_*

  • @vadimyatsun1620
    @vadimyatsun1620 Год назад

    Mmmore videos for tall people!) I'm 1.94m, and it was really hard in the beginning. Especially with 1.55m coach)) so thanks a lot, guys!

  • @MonkeyBarsEveryday
    @MonkeyBarsEveryday Год назад +1

    This video gives me a lot of hope because I'm not a talented or intuitive climber. Emil said he has to watch film and correct body position and movement after observation and I feel the same way. I see a lot of folks who move naturally but not me 😂

  • @phil7218
    @phil7218 Год назад

    The way he read the route at 10:27 was genius. Shows advanced self awareness of his own body in 3D space to be able to do that.
    Amazing.

  • @ReaperUnreal
    @ReaperUnreal Год назад +1

    I can absolutely confirm that having friends egg me on totally works. It's how I upped my flash grade.

  • @jonathanrossddsmhs1271
    @jonathanrossddsmhs1271 Год назад +1

    Emil: “People are not brushing holds enough in this world.”
    💯

  • @EdBordin
    @EdBordin Год назад

    Strained the A2 on my middle finger too a bit over a month ago despite being paranoid about overloading my fingers. Pulley injuries are frustrating! It will get better though, good job doing your rehab! 🙂

    • @hannahmorrisbouldering
      @hannahmorrisbouldering  Год назад +1

      Hope your finger is feeling better! Injuries are rubbish but definitely opportunities to switch focus up!

  • @conserve_climber
    @conserve_climber Год назад

    You got Emil for the video?!? Wow; super impressed 👍

  • @janosneumann1987
    @janosneumann1987 Год назад

    Hope you have a speedy recovery! This was an amazing video I learned so much so psyched for trying some of this next time I am in the gym. Thank you ❤

    • @janosneumann1987
      @janosneumann1987 Год назад

      The lesson on relaxing and trying resonated so much with me.

    • @hannahmorrisbouldering
      @hannahmorrisbouldering  Год назад +1

      Thanks very much! Really great to hear you learned something to help your own climbing - hope your next session is full of try-hard! ☺️

  • @stan4795
    @stan4795 Год назад

    I love Emils detail he's a great coach

    • @hannahmorrisbouldering
      @hannahmorrisbouldering  Год назад

      He is, it was really interesting watching him unlock Nathan’s beta! ☺️

  • @danielc925
    @danielc925 Год назад +1

    Emil calling himself “one of the other slightly higher level climbers”. It really doesn’t get more humble than that 👊

  • @alexgalays910
    @alexgalays910 Год назад

    Very interesting video about self imposed limitations. Both Emil and Nathan are good analytical thinkers.

  • @danielparsons2859
    @danielparsons2859 Год назад

    As a 53 year old who has just started bouldering a month ago bouldering seems beyond my limits at the moment as I am very sore after each climbing section, and I thought I was fit.

  • @TheJustinConnor
    @TheJustinConnor Год назад +1

    So sorry to hear you are injured, love the video tho! You may be doing so already but would highly recommend loading just the 1 finger at a time so your body doesn’t compensate with the uninjured fingers and you have a much better grasp on how much load the finger is ready to take so you can continue to increase the weight incrementally ❤

  • @phillipthilman340
    @phillipthilman340 Год назад

    Nice progress Nathan. This video really inspires me to try harder grades

  • @TheBenjaminsky
    @TheBenjaminsky Год назад +5

    I wanna start a climbing channel simply to get coaching from people like Emil. I feel like he's a great coach and how else would I get this? Rock up to some outdoor boulder he's projecting?

    • @peterkapunkt6783
      @peterkapunkt6783 Год назад +3

      I guess kidnapping would be an option.

    • @TheBenjaminsky
      @TheBenjaminsky Год назад +1

      @@peterkapunkt6783 you seem to have a different set of skills than I do :)

  • @lukaslasku9429
    @lukaslasku9429 Год назад

    As a tall guy i really appreciate this video

  • @Max_Alive
    @Max_Alive Год назад +1

    That was some serious type 2 fun. 💪

  • @luxlucetq
    @luxlucetq Год назад +1

    So strange to see someone much taller than Emil in a video. Nathan is a freaking giant!
    Great to see some tall boy tips and beta though! Finally

  • @adventureawaits6923
    @adventureawaits6923 Год назад

    Best wishes on a speedy recovery Hannah! Awesome video! Kinda coincidental too, Emil was talking about not being afraid of trying things beyond your limit, well my goal for my first year of climbing is V10 and I still haven’t broken out of V7’s. So I’m just going to skip 8 and 9, go straight to projecting a V10 - I’ve only got two months left!

  • @Sandraa021
    @Sandraa021 Год назад

    Super helpful tips for trying hard at the end! Very inspiring! :D

  • @natalieminnis
    @natalieminnis Год назад

    Emil is such a good coach! Nathan is an excellent climber, but Emil brought out the beast in him. 😄

    • @hannahmorrisbouldering
      @hannahmorrisbouldering  Год назад +2

      Emil really is! It was really cool to watch Nathan realise that he was capable of the moves and piece boulders together. Everyone needs an Emil on hand to coach them up their project! 😎☺️

  • @loganwassill7003
    @loganwassill7003 Год назад

    Yes Coach Emil!

  • @pxr3423
    @pxr3423 Год назад +1

    Emil's so dreamy

  • @aidanloeser4890
    @aidanloeser4890 Год назад

    "people are not brushing holds enough"
    true words.

  • @flip_lange
    @flip_lange Год назад +1

    Hey Hannah! Another really nice video. I have a question though: what kind of brush was Nathan using? It looks really nice 😂

    • @hannahmorrisbouldering
      @hannahmorrisbouldering  Год назад +1

      Hey, thanks very much! It’s a Faza brush - they’re great.

    • @flip_lange
      @flip_lange Год назад

      @@hannahmorrisbouldering that’s what I thought! But I couldn’t figure out which one lol

  • @velvetventress
    @velvetventress Год назад

    On the topic of grades; if you do decide to try rock city in hull (the one with the whole room of slab haha), it's a different grading system there, I'd be interested to know if you feel like theres a difference to your usual gym at all! (whether that's grades or setters, I have no idea)
    It's blagged me before, switching systems & I'd love to know if it even effects more experienced climbers.

  • @ghinwamoujaes9059
    @ghinwamoujaes9059 Год назад +1

    This was awesome

  • @malindarayallen
    @malindarayallen Год назад +1

    Hannah's gonna reach 100k soon.🎉

  • @peanutsraisins
    @peanutsraisins Год назад +1

    Really appreciate the tall beta!!

  • @lucasbush113
    @lucasbush113 Год назад

    Would love to know how large Nathans and Emils hands are and how they feel it affects holds. Emils point about the difference a couple centimeters makes for his performance on small holds is interesting because it seems like he thinks its a strength thing but if your hands are larger than another climbers, you would have a smaller contact patch on your hand than them, no?

  • @Bobbzorzen
    @Bobbzorzen Год назад +1

    Awesome collab! Need more of my favorite climbing youtubers to link up! Eric Karlsson or bobats linkup soon? :D

  • @Exi01
    @Exi01 Год назад

    I think we all enjoyed that

  • @eliotrocks1
    @eliotrocks1 Год назад

    Great video!! 🔥🔥

  • @Cslteo
    @Cslteo Год назад +1

    Just out of interest / to get some context, how tall is Nathan & what's his wingspan? 🤔

  • @Eyllexx
    @Eyllexx Год назад

    Where did you get your rehab training from? Did you see any special doctor for it, because I also injured on of my fingers and don't really know what to do

  • @carsythe
    @carsythe Год назад +1

    I would love to have Emil walk me through a hard boulder move by move.

  • @bjbboy71697
    @bjbboy71697 Год назад +1

    0:53 "Hannah Moms Bouldering" 😆

  • @hronte6616
    @hronte6616 Год назад

    Are you going to release the footage of Emil on the super hard black in the roof because I’m working and I really want to see his beta thanks.

  • @imxd9698
    @imxd9698 Год назад

    What is this… engaging the lat? How do you engage your lat while climbing??

    • @freddie_connor9202
      @freddie_connor9202 Год назад

      your lat works mainly by tucking your elbow into your body, imagine the top of a pullup for example

  • @robinthebobin6537
    @robinthebobin6537 4 месяца назад

    Emil making the blacks look like purples😂. It's so great to watch someone who not only has absolutely ridiculous levels of power, but also a perfect understanding of technique

  • @idrisso.g.6316
    @idrisso.g.6316 Год назад

    Does anyone know which brand EMILS Chalkbag is?

  • @unicornsxhippos
    @unicornsxhippos Год назад

    Will you be bringing back the black shirts soon?

  • @BlitzDG
    @BlitzDG Год назад +1

    Nathan is a crusher. Gotta see a followup where he beasts this.

  • @midget_snipez8283
    @midget_snipez8283 Год назад +1

    Emil is just like a young Magnus

  • @christianv-b.nielsen1505
    @christianv-b.nielsen1505 Год назад

    Any tips on not getting injured when trying limit moves?

    • @hannahmorrisbouldering
      @hannahmorrisbouldering  Год назад +1

      I'm not the best person to ask about not getting injured, as it seems I often am, but listening to your body when it's tired and fuelling properly are always the first things I try and keep consistent, followed by a session specific warm up and a decent level of consistency in pre-hab and maintenance so that I'm not asking too much of my body when it's not used to it!

    • @christianv-b.nielsen1505
      @christianv-b.nielsen1505 Год назад

      @@hannahmorrisbouldering thanks for answering, maybe it's the more session specific warm-up I need. I have just had a lot of overuse injuries, so working at my limit in a non-controlled way is scary to me.

  • @simonrobbins815
    @simonrobbins815 Год назад

    8:23 "People are not brushing holds enough in this world"!

  • @civilizedlemur9410
    @civilizedlemur9410 Год назад

    What happend to the footage of Emil trying the black problem in the cave, will that be another video ?

    • @hannahmorrisbouldering
      @hannahmorrisbouldering  Год назад +1

      He only have one or two attempts on the cave problem, there’s another video to come with another yellow boulder so I may include the attempts in that!

  • @TunnelVision
    @TunnelVision Год назад +1

    7:37 that attempt didn't could if you use holds of a different boulder @Emil

  • @robertcreer8826
    @robertcreer8826 Год назад

    Need to be trying harder! What van have you got?

  • @leasuhl1196
    @leasuhl1196 10 месяцев назад

    Emil and Bee are so alike in their way of explaining and attempting climbs. Are they dating !? 😅

  • @ctogive
    @ctogive Год назад +1

    This guy really reminds me of Magnus

  • @riiiibu
    @riiiibu Год назад

    hoping for a smooth recovery! :)

  • @_Crazy_Climber
    @_Crazy_Climber Год назад

    next video can u make it where we cant hear the scratching on the wall , good video just was able to hear the scratching

    • @hannahmorrisbouldering
      @hannahmorrisbouldering  Год назад

      My bad, I always try to minimise it as much as I can but I’ll try and make sure it doesn’t make the cut.

  • @rchrd3353
    @rchrd3353 8 месяцев назад

    I wish I was as bad as Emil!

  • @LorieCarr
    @LorieCarr Год назад

    So weird seeing my climbing wall in a video 😂

    • @hannahmorrisbouldering
      @hannahmorrisbouldering  Год назад

      Hehe hope you liked seeing Reading in a video! I always think it’s cool to see boulders you’ve either tried or are familiar with because you can imagine how the holds / moves feel a bit more.

  • @khaibernate
    @khaibernate Год назад

    Song at @8:59 anyone?

  • @boathecat919
    @boathecat919 Год назад

    Looks like Magnus

  • @yourneighborwiththecutedog
    @yourneighborwiththecutedog Год назад

    sorry you got hurt!!

  • @RileyJefferson-l7n
    @RileyJefferson-l7n Год назад

    No send on the second black

  • @BetaBreaker
    @BetaBreaker Год назад

    What gym was this

  • @simonjenkins9296
    @simonjenkins9296 Год назад

    God damn he's so likeable!

  • @rtotheizzle
    @rtotheizzle 4 месяца назад

    Emil the kinda guy to not listen when someone talks to him. Always just waiting for his opportunity to say what he wants.

  • @iimpacti4961
    @iimpacti4961 Год назад +1

    LMAO she made it to the next level as well!
    Mostly silent in collabs now she's not even here anymore! GJ!