Goggins might not have been what Tony needed, but props to him for trying something new to find a spark. So many fighters lack a motor and someone like Goggins supporting them could be the missing puzzle piece. Seems it was too little, too late for El Cucuy though
I dunno, man. Not so sure Tony is intelligently seeking out the guidance he needs. Sounds to me like he's spent his later career bouncing between teams that just accommodate whatever he wants to do to feel good about himself in the moment. Completely presumptuous of me, I know, but I suspect Tony is insufferable as a student. Can you imagine him shutting up for a second and doing the boring difficult things he needs to do with humility, to follow a good coach's masterplan? I can't. Every time someone tried to teach him something in the last few years I gotta assume he just launched one of his signature bitter deluded Tony meandering rant, just a stream-of-consciousness maze of goofy contradictions where the only consistent message is that Tony is the best at everything.
Shocking how much worse Tony looked vs Paddy compared to how he looked against Gaethje. He got demolished in that fight but still had a couple highlights, with the uppercut and the foot sweep. That fight just changed everything for Tony.
@@ruin3r guru does seem to have slowed down a bit but I can’t fault him for that; he’s been grinding hard for years and now that he’s up he should enjoy it. I don’t see Lucas overtaking him this year though unless guru full on stops uploading for several months; but who knows RUclips’s weird.
People forget that 2 fights after Askren, Masvidal fought PRIME usman on 6 days noticed and defended most of the takedowns for 5 rounds. All usman could do was hold him in the fence and stomp feet. Yeah, he would of handled Askren fine
Thank you for mentioning the Stephen A take, ive been thinking that for years. Cowboy himself had the same sentiment when asked about the fight years later
I've practiced martial arts and switched between boxing and k1 kickboxing over the years and let me tell you, every person in the realm of sport combat is opinionated, And they're right but at the same time wrong, I can't explain it anymore than that, but while I don't agree with Steven a Smith's conclusion to how the cowboy cerone vs Connor fight went down, I'm always willing to listen to EVERYONE'S thoughts, now whether or not you train does matter but what you can offer knowledge wise can still be useful depending, Even a toddler can teach an adult something knew, A new perspective, It's just we're so used to many casuals acting like no at alls aswell and I'm sorry if you personally don't feel you can offer an opinion
i look at tapping similar to resigning in chess, high level players in mma and chess can look at their situation and decide that it isn’t worth fighting anymore. it can be looked at as quitting if they maybe resign or tap early, but it isn’t quitting, some fighters are deciding they would rather not have a career ending arm break
It is by definition quitting. The issue for me is more so the lack of nuance, quitting isn’t always bad. I can think of plenty situations where quitting is the honorable and correct option, and tapping and saving your body for more fights instead off going out or getting a shoulder ripped out is definitely one of those times
I've completed in jiu jitsu and to your first point about coaching, it doesn't need to be technical a lot of the time. Just having your team motivating you and cheering you on is actually really good to help push through tough spots.
I wouldn't say Conor is one-dimensional, dude only real weakness is his stamina, his Bjj is pretty solid and he has decent enough wrestling, he just sadly had to fight guys like Khabib who was one of the best wrestlers in the UFC, also Conor used BJJ against Max Holloway early in his career
He’s also shown nice clinch work (Diaz 2 and shoulder strikes in the Cowboy fight ). Like, yeah he’s not the 2016 Conor anymore but this agreement is extremely crude way of viewing present/pass McGregor.
You could say he's 1 dimensional now especially after focusing on boxing for so long. Back in the day at 145 he could do it all but that's life as a combat sports athlete, you peak and decline ce la vie
Hes one dimensional because hes only got one viable option to win a fight and that is to outsrike and ko his opponent. “I only count knockouts” - conor
Him & MMA Joey are my favs but MMA Joey doesn’t take advice to grow his channel. I kept telling him to collab with Lucas and do UFC card Recaps together or videos like this. Imagine Joey on screen giving his take as well with this video. Those would be good
@@IronReef77 Dude I know, like I promise you the ones that actually train don't have that much time, they've got their own fights and camps to worry about
How could hardcore fans not agree with Stephen there? Cowboy was THE premier quitter in the UFC. All his losses are him just accepting punishment until the ref stops it
@@JimBeatman Well yeah but when someone like izzy or cody garbrandt gets rocked, they are still dangerous to chase after. Even in his prime, it seemed like when cowboy got hit clean he would shell up and paint a target around himself and lose all offensive ability. If you rock cowboy, you can flurry on him with 0 risk of eating a check hook, getting taken down, or getting tangled in a clinch
@@loismylanegetting rocked and finished doesn't mean you are a quitter in any sort of way. You do realize not everybody can get rocked bad and be fine right??? Cowboy never had an iron chin and thats the reason why people like you say and think he is a quitter. More often than not guys that get rocked and start swinging wildly get finished than guys who protect themselves, shell up and try to recover. Even your example of Izzy is wrong. When Alex had him hurt he turtled up and the cage and did nothing for about 30 seconds besides get lit up and quit.
Entering your prime is like walking on new legs. It takes some getting used to. The next time Tony steps into that Octagon, he's going to be winning like you wouldn't believe.
I used to go to Chael for his strong opinions but he has been off the deep end for quite sometime now and I am so thankful to have Lucas always bring that new heat. No matter if you agree or disagree with him it's always fun to watch him go hard in the paint. Lucas and Guru are pretty much the only MMA channels I watch and actually care what they have to say.
I never understood the goggins hate when he was in the corner. And it's basically as you said, the fighter has been training for 2 months or more for this very moment, sometimes a fighter might get discouraged after a round where they may have not done the best, and their corner comes in and kicks them in the ass a bit try and hype them up.
@@waleedhamadeh-by8jzjones lost against reyes santos gus 1 Aspinall has wrestling natural heavyweight Aspinall is like ngannou but faster and has better grappling (His chin was tested with pavlovich)
I think for UFC 196 Conor mcgregor at one point said pass out before tap out. He was getting choked out and tapped out while Holly holm the same night passed out by Miesha Tate.
The thing that pissed me off the most in the Tony Ferguson fight is that I actually had high hopes, and thought he would come in clutch with the cardio, specially that moment where Paddy gasses out completely yet Tony himself was too tired to throw a punch, I remember thinking “all that cardio for what?! He’s too tired to throw a single punch”, if instead of doing mindless running, he had actually done sport specific cardio it’s obvious he would’ve preformed better , and when he got taken down he was too mentally defeated, and physically weak to get back up, if he had focused more on sport specific training with actual intensity (not just mindless running), then I feel like he would’ve actually done better, I just remember when he got taken down and seeing the look Tony had like he had given up and thinking of maybe he did a little more strength and conditioning and a fuckton less running that this wouldn’t have happened but he is an old man so I’m not saying he would’ve BECOME more powerful, but he could’ve at least regained some explosiveness
And now you see why people who should know what they're doing need to be helping these fighters out, a loud mouth who lifts and runs isn't going to offer much in sport combat
@@bmmjg Lol Very VERY wrong, If he had a coach that would focus on shorter concise movements that wouldn't allow Tony to gas as much and study paddy, he would've atleast given a better performance
Totally right about boxing. Where’s their RUclips niche ? They only have big media channels but hardly any independent RUclipsrs doing their own thing covering the sport like we have for mma. It is 100% a dying sport
@@cogitoy7692lmao you acting like they in the same sport which competition would be ideal but there not the same sport . Your point would be valid if you were talking about ONE or Bellator
Lucas your videos are legit so entertaining and your commentary is great, when you say something controversial and you tell everyone to calm down I swear it's comedy, you always follow up w ur point and it's good lol
To be fair Tony hasn’t had a great corner since May 2020… his dad confided in Chael on how to get his son to stop fighting and his fear for lack of competence in his team… Based yet sad
Honestly goggins in the corner was kinda a genius idea it’s genuinely rare a corner man gives amazing advice honestly getting goggins in there is probably the best idea Tony’s had in years
So I guess Lucas Is the hardcore fan In this case. Don't think we didn't forget about "Cyril Gane will bully 50-45 Jon Jones" and "Charles Oliveira Is going to get crushed by Beneil Dariush" takes my guy, lol.
I don't think all the hardcore fans were necessarily anti-Goggins. I saw it as a pretty casual take, but it being the result of tunnel vision from a hardcore fan makes sense.
wow i just realized we both started watching ufc consistently at the same time around 2017 following the very same fight! that's crazy man, i love this channel even more now
I think the quitting take is a bit stupid because you see people quit in boxing too. As soon as you stop throwing back and just stand at the ropes with your guard up until the ref steppes in you could argue you were quitting
tony is uncoachable and never worked on his bad habits, he's way too accepting to being on the bottom trying to bjj and throw albows, it doesn't work for him anymore. Among other things.
People saying McGregor and Rousey are multi-dimensional is honestly a huge disrespect for champions who have shown to have worked on their weak areas, Kamaru Usman comes to mind specifically as his striking has evolved so much from the nut hugger he used to be. Moreno and Figgy have both helped eachother become absolute powerhouses, and everyone else yoy mentioned
I was gonna defend conor saying he had decent takedown defence and anti grappling, but then i just rewatched his fight against chad mendes- he stuffed a few and got like twice, but then gassed out and had to wait for either the round to end, or for chad to make a mistake (he went for the gilly) to get up- i think i've been spoiled by modern takedown defence like leon edwards' defence and thought mcgregor was up to that standard. if people can call darren till and shara bullet one dimensional, then i think you can call conor one dimensional as well
Lucas Ive listened to you sporadically over the last year or so. I became a diehard in 01 around diaz lawler one. Bought all previous events on vhs and bought all events until they stopped selling physical copies. I've never missed one event and own a vast library of the Neanderthal shit. So.. sir you have earned my subscription and my attention.As an og fan,and me being 42 I don't usually agree with alot of day to day people or RUclips personalities who Xerox the common narrative. As a young man you see the sport in a common light as me. People say the Dricus Strickland melee was orchestrated... TKO merged WWE +UFC... about 3 months ago enough time for collective focus groups. What do you think man it's a multi billion dollar collaboration. Take what sells in the dying "sport" and apply it to the growing cash cow. God I hope that shit isn't true but I can kinda see it. Sean crying on a podcast to oversell it because he sold out. So tell me what you think man..
Also steven a smith said cowboy couldn't take the pressure and willted under the brightlights. cowboy in his interview with brett okamoto, he said he didn't want to be thier and that cerroni showed up not cowboy, and i dont like a smith but when your right your right.
There were so many times fighters tapped in a choke with 2 seconds left in the round, that’s when you DONT QUIT and hope you’re awake for the next round
We hype Volk up because he escaped, but he himself already said many times his vision had blacked out almost completely, he was maybe two secs away from sleeping. Your alternative to not tapping is sleeping or having an injured limb, for every Volkanovski there are ten Joseph Benavidez and Minotauro Nogueiras, it's not quitting, that is a stupid take.
‘Goggins is a good cornerman because you don’t need any skill to be a cornerman’ is a really, really bad take, and the man absolutely has no business in the sport. You think Goggins would throw in the towel if his guy needed it? That’s not hardcore man! Goggins would absolutely let someone die in there, for his own ego. The job of cornerman is SO much more than ‘advice’. It has nothing to do with MMA being ‘sacred’. This is about qualifications for something where safety should be paramount. Tony went into this fight overtrained and burnt out so that Goggins could maintain his hardcore persona. Cornermen CANNOT put their own needs first.
Hot take , having Olympic wrestling pedigree is a bad sign sometimes for transitioning to MMA ,becauseeeee wrestlers are so hard on themselves in the gym , on the mat sparring , and cutting weight almost towards death , this adds up over years and we've seen with fighters like Askren who had hip injuries, I'm sure way more , n you can tell his body is a product of horrible years of weight cutting and not having much to bulk up , I'm sure he was an explosive powerhouse when he was wrestling but those weight cuts n injuries n hard ass sparring even if jus wrestling definitely shortened his prime and made his older years harder on his physicality chin and skills , we've also seen this with others like roel ramero which by no means was his physicality bad but you would think a man who looks likes he's in his prime of his life would have a killer gas tank especially an Olympic level wrestler but I'm sure weight cuts really hurt how long his conditioning lasting which another good clue of that is his chin and why he liked striking more in his later years then on the other specturm you got top tier fighters like volk who did wrestling for two years when he was like 14 and only started mma later than most and still be an insane grappler without an insane wrestling pedigree and other great fighters like jon jones who didnt do anything insane wrestling wise and is arguably the goat
Just to be clear, MMA never grew more popular than Boxing, it may have come close but now that boxing is in a new golden age, MMA is hopelessly behind. You clearly aren’t checking the numbers at all. The RUclips channels argument is brain dead, the actually viewers for the UFC is like 1/4th of boxing
I remember thinking Stephen A is absolutely right. That was not the Donald Cerrone we had seen up until that point. The pressure of 'the big fight' got to him. Cerrone froze!
I don't think tapping is quitting at all. That would be like saying if you get knocked down and are concussed and everything and covering up means you quit. You are in a position that you won't be able to escape that would result in something breaking or you sleeping so there's no point making yourself take more damage when you already lost. The sleeping/break only exist to 100% say you lost and having those situations can affect your career and going unconscious from chokes isn't good for the brain either and if the ref sucks you could die or have complications. If someone gets you in a rnc you will straight up have a broken jaw. There's quitting and then there's preserving yourself and accepting the fact defeat is inevitable.
Cornering is its own skill, knowing what kind of advice is actually digestible and actionable, and laying the groundwork for certain queues throughout the camp so that the fighter has a conditioned response to an actionable change in gameplan, or to execute a strategy that was worked on. No, it doesn’t make sense to try to teach somebody better boxing in between Rams… It also doesn’t make sense to have somebody who has nothing to do with the sport in the corner of somebody who is taking the fast track to CTE land. The fact that we can point out, but a lot of MMA corners are not specialized in the task, if not being outright, shitty at it, but that doesn’t make it a bAd tAkE to point out that Dave Goggins Has less reason to be in a corner than Coach Latori
Agreed. Tap=submit. submit=admitting that you lose and want it to stop/admitting to the dominance and letting it happen. the disagreement here is that it should NOT be seen as soft to live to fight another day when you tap to avoid you bones and ligament getting destroyed and ruining your career. also its not a fair comparison comparing punch damage vs ligament and bone damage from submissions. boxers can be warriors during punches, get put out, then train in months again, if u try to be a warrior in a heel hook or kimura, you risk your prime ending then and there, losing 1 year of your career healing with surgery and rehab, or more. the only fair apples to apples comparison are the times an mma fighter quit on the stool or wilted and covered up for the tko from strikes vs the times boxers quit on the stool or wilted and covered up or refused to get up for the tko.
finally someone saying what I´ve been saying...Masvidal would´ve beaten Askren 9/10 times and NOT the other way around...Masvidal had really good tkd in his prime and could scramble his way out really well while Askren was always hella predictable since he was a one trick pony, all he could do was wrestle and had literally no hands
I think Goggins is a bit silly, but when your fighter is 40 and getting his ass handed to him and has no shot to win, a really fired up speech going into the final round would be pretty awkward. Goggins would be good to have in your corner if its a very close fight and whoever takes the last round wins.
I think if you’re arguing that tapping isn’t quitting you probably don’t actually understand the definition of submission, both in the actual sense and in combat sports. Submission literally means to accept or yield to a more powerful force or opponent
As a hardcore fan of both MMA and Boxing (especially MMA), one of the reasons why I think you didn't like Ryan Garcia vs Tank is because they actually aren't that high level (Tank could be but is yet to prove it). Jermell Charlo was just running the whole time against Canelo. If you watch the right boxing fights and follow the right boxers, you will enjoy boxing way more than you do now.
Saying Conor is one dimensional is casual af, he utilises his kicks and has excellent take down defence etc, he does not just box when gets in that octagon 🤦♂️
The casuals were not right and the hardcore fans were spot on. Tony never needed help with his cardio...but some better ground defense and game-planning with a smarter approach and fighter i.q could have actually made the difference.
Tony knows proper technique he's been training mma for nearly 2 decades. His body doesn't work. His coaches are always giving technical advice bit it hasn't worked so far.
@@TheButcher-w7z his Granby roll and his grappling technique used to be proper. Like I said before when your body is broken it doesn't respond to the commands your brain is giving it. No coach was gonna be able to help him beat Pimblett sadly.
@@chrissimon3790 There was never anything proper about it. The way he would shoot in on subs was beyond reckless and he kinda just flails on the ground like a mad man. Just because he used to make it work doesn't mean it was good technique.
Goggins might not have been what Tony needed, but props to him for trying something new to find a spark. So many fighters lack a motor and someone like Goggins supporting them could be the missing puzzle piece. Seems it was too little, too late for El Cucuy though
i think after maybe the justin fight goggins would of been a good pick, but this late you're right too little too late
@@Pals420he would’ve beat Chandler
@kimbopizzaslice ya he looked good in the first round
I dunno, man. Not so sure Tony is intelligently seeking out the guidance he needs. Sounds to me like he's spent his later career bouncing between teams that just accommodate whatever he wants to do to feel good about himself in the moment. Completely presumptuous of me, I know, but I suspect Tony is insufferable as a student. Can you imagine him shutting up for a second and doing the boring difficult things he needs to do with humility, to follow a good coach's masterplan? I can't. Every time someone tried to teach him something in the last few years I gotta assume he just launched one of his signature bitter deluded Tony meandering rant, just a stream-of-consciousness maze of goofy contradictions where the only consistent message is that Tony is the best at everything.
nah goons seemed awkward and out of place especially near the stool
Let’s be real goggins wasn’t worse than “throw sand” 😂
Definitely better than pat Barry
@@rockNhardplace him too! I was trying to remember bros name; that whole situation is fucked.
Asking Tony to throw sand was brilliant, that coach is the goat
Shocking how much worse Tony looked vs Paddy compared to how he looked against Gaethje. He got demolished in that fight but still had a couple highlights, with the uppercut and the foot sweep. That fight just changed everything for Tony.
bro was listening to Stricklands advice and repeating it lol. gogginns was a shit corner man dunno how Lucas can act like that's a bad take
Lucas is committed to the game. Absolutely pumping content.
Shut up bro. Corny af
On his grind for sure
Pumping content like he is pumping iron.
Could overtake Guru this year cause bro is burned out and resting on his laurels now that fighters are interacting with him.
@@ruin3r guru does seem to have slowed down a bit but I can’t fault him for that; he’s been grinding hard for years and now that he’s up he should enjoy it. I don’t see Lucas overtaking him this year though unless guru full on stops uploading for several months; but who knows RUclips’s weird.
People forget that 2 fights after Askren, Masvidal fought PRIME usman on 6 days noticed and defended most of the takedowns for 5 rounds. All usman could do was hold him in the fence and stomp feet. Yeah, he would of handled Askren fine
Jorge one dimensional he beat askein who’s an old bag a milk and that’s it and beat up Nate when everyone does
Lol bro I’ve been saying this, masvidal would’ve probably beat piss out of askren for 15 minutes
facts. the first usman fight was impressive for jorge imo
@@TheScott-man nah for real. EVERYONE beats the piss outta nate lol
Then got a full camp... Got Unbatized.😂
Thank you for mentioning the Stephen A take, ive been thinking that for years. Cowboy himself had the same sentiment when asked about the fight years later
I've practiced martial arts and switched between boxing and k1 kickboxing over the years and let me tell you, every person in the realm of sport combat is opinionated,
And they're right but at the same time wrong,
I can't explain it anymore than that, but while I don't agree with Steven a Smith's conclusion to how the cowboy cerone vs Connor fight went down,
I'm always willing to listen to EVERYONE'S thoughts, now whether or not you train does matter but what you can offer knowledge wise can still be useful depending,
Even a toddler can teach an adult something knew,
A new perspective,
It's just we're so used to many casuals acting like no at alls aswell and I'm sorry if you personally don't feel you can offer an opinion
Yeah Cowboy himself admitted and even then fans disagreed with him lol.
Me too man
Exactly. He literally said that Stephen A was right
@@Dahn.Baern.years later. He should’ve supported Smith when mma fans were ripping his fckin heart out.
i look at tapping similar to resigning in chess, high level players in mma and chess can look at their situation and decide that it isn’t worth fighting anymore. it can be looked at as quitting if they maybe resign or tap early, but it isn’t quitting, some fighters are deciding they would rather not have a career ending arm break
I think tapping to an ankle lock is different than a guillotine
It is by definition quitting. The issue for me is more so the lack of nuance, quitting isn’t always bad. I can think of plenty situations where quitting is the honorable and correct option, and tapping and saving your body for more fights instead off going out or getting a shoulder ripped out is definitely one of those times
that is literally quitting, not that is something bad, but it means you are acepting your loss so it is actually quitting
Lucas the GOAT of original/fresh MMA content concepts! Happy holidays ploddy plodster :)
I've completed in jiu jitsu and to your first point about coaching, it doesn't need to be technical a lot of the time. Just having your team motivating you and cheering you on is actually really good to help push through tough spots.
No doubt man.
That’s why boxing is better. You 100% need a good coach
@@Ishbikes i agree withe the second statement but dont understand the first. like how does that make it better? like in what sense? lol
@russellwilson9911 like the kids say *cope harder* 🤷🏾♂️
I wouldn't say Conor is one-dimensional, dude only real weakness is his stamina, his Bjj is pretty solid and he has decent enough wrestling, he just sadly had to fight guys like Khabib who was one of the best wrestlers in the UFC, also Conor used BJJ against Max Holloway early in his career
He’s also shown nice clinch work (Diaz 2 and shoulder strikes in the Cowboy fight ). Like, yeah he’s not the 2016 Conor anymore but this agreement is extremely crude way of viewing present/pass McGregor.
I agree, Conor isn’t one dimensional. In his prime he was a true martial artist
You could say he's 1 dimensional now especially after focusing on boxing for so long. Back in the day at 145 he could do it all but that's life as a combat sports athlete, you peak and decline ce la vie
Hes one dimensional because hes only got one viable option to win a fight and that is to outsrike and ko his opponent. “I only count knockouts” - conor
He's one dimensional on the offensive.
Best mma content on RUclips. Keep changing the game
Him & MMA Joey are my favs but MMA Joey doesn’t take advice to grow his channel. I kept telling him to collab with Lucas and do UFC card Recaps together or videos like this. Imagine Joey on screen giving his take as well with this video. Those would be good
Unfortunately a good chunk of mma fans don't actually do any MMA...
Ironic...
And be the main ones talking the most shit
@@IronReef77
Dude I know, like I promise you the ones that actually train don't have that much time, they've got their own fights and camps to worry about
Mfs never even been in a fight. It’s mostly mayonnaise boys who can’t throw hands so they hope to wrestle
So basically David Goggins is a glorified cheerleader? 😂
david goggins is the greatest fighter that ever lived
Yes
You’re lucky David goggins doesn’t try and be a fighter, he would be welterweight champion
aren’t all corner men
Still better than Colby’s corner men..wtf was that
"if you could walk on water, mf's will say that you can't swim" - David "adamantium Knees" Goggins
How could hardcore fans not agree with Stephen there? Cowboy was THE premier quitter in the UFC. All his losses are him just accepting punishment until the ref stops it
It really isn’t that he’s jst a level below the top cowboy always was .. no shame in that
@@JimBeatman Well yeah but when someone like izzy or cody garbrandt gets rocked, they are still dangerous to chase after. Even in his prime, it seemed like when cowboy got hit clean he would shell up and paint a target around himself and lose all offensive ability. If you rock cowboy, you can flurry on him with 0 risk of eating a check hook, getting taken down, or getting tangled in a clinch
@@loismylanegetting rocked and finished doesn't mean you are a quitter in any sort of way. You do realize not everybody can get rocked bad and be fine right??? Cowboy never had an iron chin and thats the reason why people like you say and think he is a quitter. More often than not guys that get rocked and start swinging wildly get finished than guys who protect themselves, shell up and try to recover. Even your example of Izzy is wrong. When Alex had him hurt he turtled up and the cage and did nothing for about 30 seconds besides get lit up and quit.
@@curtharakaly4620he literally admitted to not wanting to be there in the Conor fight. Sounds like quitting to me.
Thank you for bringing everyday entertaining! You really have grown on me
Entering your prime is like walking on new legs. It takes some getting used to. The next time Tony steps into that Octagon, he's going to be winning like you wouldn't believe.
blades and shades
🤣🤣🤣
Goggins felt that loss, hes entire destiny was linked to that fight "Can he resurrect the late Tony Ferg"
Sometimes casual fans can see things we (hardcore fans) cannot because we are too busy looking for complicated answers when the truth is much simpler.
Justice for Parker Porter
Why? How
@@faithalone5081Parker Porter got cut
I swear my brain just reads his name as Parker porker 😂
I used to go to Chael for his strong opinions but he has been off the deep end for quite sometime now and I am so thankful to have Lucas always bring that new heat. No matter if you agree or disagree with him it's always fun to watch him go hard in the paint. Lucas and Guru are pretty much the only MMA channels I watch and actually care what they have to say.
I haven’t seen Chael in a while, wym he’s off the deep end?
I agree, Chael is just embarrassing now
I keep getting confused on which side he actually supports haha
I never understood the goggins hate when he was in the corner. And it's basically as you said, the fighter has been training for 2 months or more for this very moment, sometimes a fighter might get discouraged after a round where they may have not done the best, and their corner comes in and kicks them in the ass a bit try and hype them up.
Lucas Is the Hardcore Fan
Lucas is the casual he thinks tom aspinall beats jon jones or ngannou
@@waleedhamadeh-by8jzmaybe not Ngannou but he probably beats Jon
@@waleedhamadeh-by8jzjones lost against reyes santos gus 1
Aspinall has wrestling natural heavyweight
Aspinall is like ngannou but faster and has better grappling
(His chin was tested with pavlovich)
I love the whole Lucas is a causal Talk. He doesn’t like that shit🤣
W takes Lucas. This is your best video
I think for UFC 196 Conor mcgregor at one point said pass out before tap out. He was getting choked out and tapped out while Holly holm the same night passed out by Miesha Tate.
The thing that pissed me off the most in the Tony Ferguson fight is that I actually had high hopes, and thought he would come in clutch with the cardio, specially that moment where Paddy gasses out completely yet Tony himself was too tired to throw a punch, I remember thinking “all that cardio for what?! He’s too tired to throw a single punch”, if instead of doing mindless running, he had actually done sport specific cardio it’s obvious he would’ve preformed better , and when he got taken down he was too mentally defeated, and physically weak to get back up, if he had focused more on sport specific training with actual intensity (not just mindless running), then I feel like he would’ve actually done better, I just remember when he got taken down and seeing the look Tony had like he had given up and thinking of maybe he did a little more strength and conditioning and a fuckton less running that this wouldn’t have happened but he is an old man so I’m not saying he would’ve BECOME more powerful, but he could’ve at least regained some explosiveness
And now you see why people who should know what they're doing need to be helping these fighters out, a loud mouth who lifts and runs isn't going to offer much in sport combat
@@aarkproductions
he's a stamina and mentality guy
@@motianton
You can't build stamina in the octagon by running you build stamina by sparring,
Wait have you ever trained before?
@@aarkproductionshe could have any coach on earth and he still wouldnt sniff a win in the top 10 of any division
@@bmmjg
Lol
Very VERY wrong,
If he had a coach that would focus on shorter concise movements that wouldn't allow Tony to gas as much and study paddy, he would've atleast given a better performance
Totally right about boxing. Where’s their RUclips niche ? They only have big media channels but hardly any independent RUclipsrs doing their own thing covering the sport like we have for mma. It is 100% a dying sport
This is severely untrue.
Don't get mma fans coping so hard about boxing's demise... it's beneficial to have more combat sports, from the fan pov anyway
@@cogitoy7692 its ufc or nothin
Boxing only has a bunch of 50 year old fans left, they barely know how to work youtube
@@cogitoy7692lmao you acting like they in the same sport which competition would be ideal but there not the same sport . Your point would be valid if you were talking about ONE or Bellator
Lucas your videos are legit so entertaining and your commentary is great, when you say something controversial and you tell everyone to calm down I swear it's comedy, you always follow up w ur point and it's good lol
I love this video. You're spot in with this one, Lucas
To be fair Tony hasn’t had a great corner since May 2020… his dad confided in Chael on how to get his son to stop fighting and his fear for lack of competence in his team… Based yet sad
Honestly goggins in the corner was kinda a genius idea it’s genuinely rare a corner man gives amazing advice honestly getting goggins in there is probably the best idea Tony’s had in years
Festive Lucas destroys any other MMA RUclipsr
THANK YOU !!!!!! FOR THAT JORGE STATEMENT!!!!! I got shyt for saying it awhile back !!!
Great content and topic, loving the channel
that canelo take was wild. he just fought a Charlo twin
So I guess Lucas Is the hardcore fan In this case. Don't think we didn't forget about "Cyril Gane will bully 50-45 Jon Jones" and "Charles Oliveira Is going to get crushed by Beneil Dariush" takes my guy, lol.
You stopped there? Theres atleast 20 other examples you could of said too. 🤣
Baron Banana peel himself 😂
Don’t forget Whittaker and the Banana peel
Or Aljo is gonna smother O’Malley
Charles sucks so it was a good prediction lol
I can't believe I started watching UFC earlier than you
I don't think all the hardcore fans were necessarily anti-Goggins. I saw it as a pretty casual take, but it being the result of tunnel vision from a hardcore fan makes sense.
i like how you just get right into the topic of discussion with no cheesy intro or nothing, i need more lucasTracyMMA content in my veins!
I really liked the new style thumbnail this video it makes ur vids stand out more
Spot on. People got mad cuz sas said cowboy quits in the big moments, which he does
It's time to talk about your hair.
Kinda looks like ruffled up carpet.
@eveningstar4543 At his age, Tanzanian pigmy's start to lose their hair. Lucas is just a bit shy about it 😳
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wow i just realized we both started watching ufc consistently at the same time around 2017 following the very same fight! that's crazy man, i love this channel even more now
Lucas is a hardcore casual, picks spivak against gane and dariush against arman to seem like a mma mastermind lol
He probably still thinks that beneil was a good pick on paper
It's not that deep
i like the background being grey, helps my eyes
You actually made good points with the tapping is quitting take.
I saw this in my recommended and I thought he was back...
Yay
He is
I think the quitting take is a bit stupid because you see people quit in boxing too. As soon as you stop throwing back and just stand at the ropes with your guard up until the ref steppes in you could argue you were quitting
Former casual Current hardcore 👏
tony would had been better off spending NO time with david goggins and spent that time TRAINING with his REAL coach. EXACTLY what PADDY said.
I was really hoping to hear a "Who's gonna carry the boats, Tony!" From Goggins
The masvidal take redeemed you, I’m not a Jorge fan like I used to be but everyone saw asleep Jake Paul and Jorge’s take down defense is legit.
Goggins was just cussing in Tony’s face the whole time
tony is uncoachable and never worked on his bad habits, he's way too accepting to being on the bottom trying to bjj and throw albows, it doesn't work for him anymore. Among other things.
Boxing is NOT dying! This year was its biggest year in years. Wtf are you talking about?
I was waiting on the SAS take glad you had the balls to say it respect
People saying McGregor and Rousey are multi-dimensional is honestly a huge disrespect for champions who have shown to have worked on their weak areas, Kamaru Usman comes to mind specifically as his striking has evolved so much from the nut hugger he used to be. Moreno and Figgy have both helped eachother become absolute powerhouses, and everyone else yoy mentioned
I was gonna defend conor saying he had decent takedown defence and anti grappling, but then i just rewatched his fight against chad mendes- he stuffed a few and got like twice, but then gassed out and had to wait for either the round to end, or for chad to make a mistake (he went for the gilly) to get up- i think i've been spoiled by modern takedown defence like leon edwards' defence and thought mcgregor was up to that standard.
if people can call darren till and shara bullet one dimensional, then i think you can call conor one dimensional as well
Lucas Ive listened to you sporadically over the last year or so. I became a diehard in 01 around diaz lawler one. Bought all previous events on vhs and bought all events until they stopped selling physical copies. I've never missed one event and own a vast library of the Neanderthal shit. So.. sir you have earned my subscription and my attention.As an og fan,and me being 42 I don't usually agree with alot of day to day people or RUclips personalities who Xerox the common narrative. As a young man you see the sport in a common light as me. People say the Dricus Strickland melee was orchestrated... TKO merged WWE +UFC... about 3 months ago enough time for collective focus groups. What do you think man it's a multi billion dollar collaboration. Take what sells in the dying "sport" and apply it to the growing cash cow. God I hope that shit isn't true but I can kinda see it. Sean crying on a podcast to oversell it because he sold out. So tell me what you think man..
Goggins took advantage of an over the hill fighter to build his own brand. He should be ashamed of himself
Thank you for the Askren Masvidal take. Constantly seeing that take literally gives me a headache.
Also steven a smith said cowboy couldn't take the pressure and willted under the brightlights. cowboy in his interview with brett okamoto, he said he didn't want to be thier and that cerroni showed up not cowboy, and i dont like a smith but when your right your right.
Let’s go my idea was used!! Everybody knows Stephen A was right despite all the hardcores trying to overcomplicate things
Mma community loves purity testing opinions based on how casual or hardcore the person who said it is
There were so many times fighters tapped in a choke with 2 seconds left in the round, that’s when you DONT QUIT and hope you’re awake for the next round
interesting takes
We hype Volk up because he escaped, but he himself already said many times his vision had blacked out almost completely, he was maybe two secs away from sleeping. Your alternative to not tapping is sleeping or having an injured limb, for every Volkanovski there are ten Joseph Benavidez and Minotauro Nogueiras, it's not quitting, that is a stupid take.
Stephen A Smiths comments on WMMA were also spot on.
Thanks for the dim background.
The cowboy take is garbage. He was hurt within 5 seconds
100% - The most effective corner coaching is psychological, not technical.
David "do what we did!" Goggins
Love this video. I saw the Stephen A - Rogan interaction again about 6 months ago and I was like damn Stephen A is a total goofball but he’s right
‘Goggins is a good cornerman because you don’t need any skill to be a cornerman’ is a really, really bad take, and the man absolutely has no business in the sport. You think Goggins would throw in the towel if his guy needed it? That’s not hardcore man! Goggins would absolutely let someone die in there, for his own ego. The job of cornerman is SO much more than ‘advice’. It has nothing to do with MMA being ‘sacred’. This is about qualifications for something where safety should be paramount. Tony went into this fight overtrained and burnt out so that Goggins could maintain his hardcore persona. Cornermen CANNOT put their own needs first.
Asscream had his hip surgery after ufc, as casuals would not know
Remember mike perry won a fight with only his Girlfriend in his corner lol. Ppl put too much on the shoulders on fighters cornermen.
Hot take , having Olympic wrestling pedigree is a bad sign sometimes for transitioning to MMA ,becauseeeee wrestlers are so hard on themselves in the gym , on the mat sparring , and cutting weight almost towards death , this adds up over years and we've seen with fighters like Askren who had hip injuries, I'm sure way more , n you can tell his body is a product of horrible years of weight cutting and not having much to bulk up , I'm sure he was an explosive powerhouse when he was wrestling but those weight cuts n injuries n hard ass sparring even if jus wrestling definitely shortened his prime and made his older years harder on his physicality chin and skills , we've also seen this with others like roel ramero which by no means was his physicality bad but you would think a man who looks likes he's in his prime of his life would have a killer gas tank especially an Olympic level wrestler but I'm sure weight cuts really hurt how long his conditioning lasting which another good clue of that is his chin and why he liked striking more in his later years then on the other specturm you got top tier fighters like volk who did wrestling for two years when he was like 14 and only started mma later than most and still be an insane grappler without an insane wrestling pedigree and other great fighters like jon jones who didnt do anything insane wrestling wise and is arguably the goat
And freestyle wrestling needs actual cage grappling to bridge that gap. You are much better off having a Sambo world championship under your belt.
i think the 'no quit in him' refers to just accepting the submission instead of fighting out of it over and over, not necessarily tapping
Just to be clear, MMA never grew more popular than Boxing, it may have come close but now that boxing is in a new golden age, MMA is hopelessly behind. You clearly aren’t checking the numbers at all. The RUclips channels argument is brain dead, the actually viewers for the UFC is like 1/4th of boxing
I remember thinking Stephen A is absolutely right. That was not the Donald Cerrone we had seen up until that point. The pressure of 'the big fight' got to him. Cerrone froze!
I don't think tapping is quitting at all. That would be like saying if you get knocked down and are concussed and everything and covering up means you quit. You are in a position that you won't be able to escape that would result in something breaking or you sleeping so there's no point making yourself take more damage when you already lost. The sleeping/break only exist to 100% say you lost and having those situations can affect your career and going unconscious from chokes isn't good for the brain either and if the ref sucks you could die or have complications. If someone gets you in a rnc you will straight up have a broken jaw. There's quitting and then there's preserving yourself and accepting the fact defeat is inevitable.
Covering up when you're concussed is not the same as throwing in the towel. It is essentially still a scramble.
Tapping is yielding from the dominant force of the opponent which is quitting. Not saying that’s bad or good but that’s quitting.
Cornering is its own skill, knowing what kind of advice is actually digestible and actionable, and laying the groundwork for certain queues throughout the camp so that the fighter has a conditioned response to an actionable change in gameplan, or to execute a strategy that was worked on. No, it doesn’t make sense to try to teach somebody better boxing in between Rams… It also doesn’t make sense to have somebody who has nothing to do with the sport in the corner of somebody who is taking the fast track to CTE land. The fact that we can point out, but a lot of MMA corners are not specialized in the task, if not being outright, shitty at it, but that doesn’t make it a bAd tAkE to point out that Dave Goggins Has less reason to be in a corner than Coach Latori
Agreed. Tap=submit. submit=admitting that you lose and want it to stop/admitting to the dominance and letting it happen.
the disagreement here is that it should NOT be seen as soft to live to fight another day when you tap to avoid you bones and ligament getting destroyed and ruining your career. also its not a fair comparison comparing punch damage vs ligament and bone damage from submissions. boxers can be warriors during punches, get put out, then train in months again, if u try to be a warrior in a heel hook or kimura, you risk your prime ending then and there, losing 1 year of your career healing with surgery and rehab, or more.
the only fair apples to apples comparison are the times an mma fighter quit on the stool or wilted and covered up for the tko from strikes vs the times boxers quit on the stool or wilted and covered up or refused to get up for the tko.
It reminds me when economists fail to predict market declines, even though everyone is not saw it coming.
finally someone saying what I´ve been saying...Masvidal would´ve beaten Askren 9/10 times and NOT the other way around...Masvidal had really good tkd in his prime and could scramble his way out really well while Askren was always hella predictable since he was a one trick pony, all he could do was wrestle and had literally no hands
Awww I love your tree!!
I think Goggins is a bit silly, but when your fighter is 40 and getting his ass handed to him and has no shot to win, a really fired up speech going into the final round would be pretty awkward. Goggins would be good to have in your corner if its a very close fight and whoever takes the last round wins.
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Lucas Tracy coming for Bedtime’s p4p best PowerPoint presenter skills with this one.
I’ve been watching mma consistently since ufc 115 in 2010 and I still feel like a casual sometimes lol
Goggins is a self-help guru perfect for a ufc fighter .
Each video is heard quieter than the previous one bro, turn that master volume waaaay up pls
I think if you’re arguing that tapping isn’t quitting you probably don’t actually understand the definition of submission, both in the actual sense and in combat sports. Submission literally means to accept or yield to a more powerful force or opponent
As a hardcore fan of both MMA and Boxing (especially MMA), one of the reasons why I think you didn't like Ryan Garcia vs Tank is because they actually aren't that high level (Tank could be but is yet to prove it). Jermell Charlo was just running the whole time against Canelo.
If you watch the right boxing fights and follow the right boxers, you will enjoy boxing way more than you do now.
last few devin haney fights,crawford,bivol start growing on me. i will start watching boxing again after few years
Ik u didn’t just say tank isn’t a high level fighter lol 🤦🏾♂️ come on now fam we gotta be kidding me
Saying Conor is one dimensional is casual af, he utilises his kicks and has excellent take down defence etc, he does not just box when gets in that octagon 🤦♂️
Uncle Chael says every fighter that has ever been choked out, actually quit.
It feels like casuals fall backwards into the right take in these videos rather than having actual insight.
Who would you rather have as a coach?
-Joshua Fabia
-Steven Seagal
-Dale Brown
Boxing is still pretty huge in Mexico and some parts of Europe and Russia but MMA is taking over the States
That’s why Luke Tracy is a casual
The casuals were not right and the hardcore fans were spot on. Tony never needed help with his cardio...but some better ground defense and game-planning with a smarter approach and fighter i.q could have actually made the difference.
He’s a broken down middle aged man his game plan should’ve been to try and take less damage 😭
Tony knows proper technique he's been training mma for nearly 2 decades. His body doesn't work. His coaches are always giving technical advice bit it hasn't worked so far.
@@chrissimon3790 i don't know if you've ever seen a tony ferguson fight but there is nothing proper about any of his techniques...never has been
@@TheButcher-w7z his Granby roll and his grappling technique used to be proper. Like I said before when your body is broken it doesn't respond to the commands your brain is giving it. No coach was gonna be able to help him beat Pimblett sadly.
@@chrissimon3790 There was never anything proper about it. The way he would shoot in on subs was beyond reckless and he kinda just flails on the ground like a mad man. Just because he used to make it work doesn't mean it was good technique.