Shocking how much worse Tony looked vs Paddy compared to how he looked against Gaethje. He got demolished in that fight but still had a couple highlights, with the uppercut and the foot sweep. That fight just changed everything for Tony.
It’s the way you deliver things and you make it seem like your calling ppl cowards and weenies when you talk about them.. it’s how you come off. Sometimes it’s not what you say it’s how you say it.
Goggins might not have been what Tony needed, but props to him for trying something new to find a spark. So many fighters lack a motor and someone like Goggins supporting them could be the missing puzzle piece. Seems it was too little, too late for El Cucuy though
I dunno, man. Not so sure Tony is intelligently seeking out the guidance he needs. Sounds to me like he's spent his later career bouncing between teams that just accommodate whatever he wants to do to feel good about himself in the moment. Completely presumptuous of me, I know, but I suspect Tony is insufferable as a student. Can you imagine him shutting up for a second and doing the boring difficult things he needs to do with humility, to follow a good coach's masterplan? I can't. Every time someone tried to teach him something in the last few years I gotta assume he just launched one of his signature bitter deluded Tony meandering rant, just a stream-of-consciousness maze of goofy contradictions where the only consistent message is that Tony is the best at everything.
People forget that 2 fights after Askren, Masvidal fought PRIME usman on 6 days noticed and defended most of the takedowns for 5 rounds. All usman could do was hold him in the fence and stomp feet. Yeah, he would of handled Askren fine
@@ruin3r guru does seem to have slowed down a bit but I can’t fault him for that; he’s been grinding hard for years and now that he’s up he should enjoy it. I don’t see Lucas overtaking him this year though unless guru full on stops uploading for several months; but who knows RUclips’s weird.
Thank you for mentioning the Stephen A take, ive been thinking that for years. Cowboy himself had the same sentiment when asked about the fight years later
I've practiced martial arts and switched between boxing and k1 kickboxing over the years and let me tell you, every person in the realm of sport combat is opinionated, And they're right but at the same time wrong, I can't explain it anymore than that, but while I don't agree with Steven a Smith's conclusion to how the cowboy cerone vs Connor fight went down, I'm always willing to listen to EVERYONE'S thoughts, now whether or not you train does matter but what you can offer knowledge wise can still be useful depending, Even a toddler can teach an adult something knew, A new perspective, It's just we're so used to many casuals acting like no at alls aswell and I'm sorry if you personally don't feel you can offer an opinion
i look at tapping similar to resigning in chess, high level players in mma and chess can look at their situation and decide that it isn’t worth fighting anymore. it can be looked at as quitting if they maybe resign or tap early, but it isn’t quitting, some fighters are deciding they would rather not have a career ending arm break
It is by definition quitting. The issue for me is more so the lack of nuance, quitting isn’t always bad. I can think of plenty situations where quitting is the honorable and correct option, and tapping and saving your body for more fights instead off going out or getting a shoulder ripped out is definitely one of those times
I wouldn't say Conor is one-dimensional, dude only real weakness is his stamina, his Bjj is pretty solid and he has decent enough wrestling, he just sadly had to fight guys like Khabib who was one of the best wrestlers in the UFC, also Conor used BJJ against Max Holloway early in his career
He’s also shown nice clinch work (Diaz 2 and shoulder strikes in the Cowboy fight ). Like, yeah he’s not the 2016 Conor anymore but this agreement is extremely crude way of viewing present/pass McGregor.
You could say he's 1 dimensional now especially after focusing on boxing for so long. Back in the day at 145 he could do it all but that's life as a combat sports athlete, you peak and decline ce la vie
Hes one dimensional because hes only got one viable option to win a fight and that is to outsrike and ko his opponent. “I only count knockouts” - conor
I've completed in jiu jitsu and to your first point about coaching, it doesn't need to be technical a lot of the time. Just having your team motivating you and cheering you on is actually really good to help push through tough spots.
@@IronReef77 Dude I know, like I promise you the ones that actually train don't have that much time, they've got their own fights and camps to worry about
@@waleedhamadeh-by8jzjones lost against reyes santos gus 1 Aspinall has wrestling natural heavyweight Aspinall is like ngannou but faster and has better grappling (His chin was tested with pavlovich)
How could hardcore fans not agree with Stephen there? Cowboy was THE premier quitter in the UFC. All his losses are him just accepting punishment until the ref stops it
@@JimBeatman Well yeah but when someone like izzy or cody garbrandt gets rocked, they are still dangerous to chase after. Even in his prime, it seemed like when cowboy got hit clean he would shell up and paint a target around himself and lose all offensive ability. If you rock cowboy, you can flurry on him with 0 risk of eating a check hook, getting taken down, or getting tangled in a clinch
@@loismylanegetting rocked and finished doesn't mean you are a quitter in any sort of way. You do realize not everybody can get rocked bad and be fine right??? Cowboy never had an iron chin and thats the reason why people like you say and think he is a quitter. More often than not guys that get rocked and start swinging wildly get finished than guys who protect themselves, shell up and try to recover. Even your example of Izzy is wrong. When Alex had him hurt he turtled up and the cage and did nothing for about 30 seconds besides get lit up and quit.
Entering your prime is like walking on new legs. It takes some getting used to. The next time Tony steps into that Octagon, he's going to be winning like you wouldn't believe.
Totally right about boxing. Where’s their RUclips niche ? They only have big media channels but hardly any independent RUclipsrs doing their own thing covering the sport like we have for mma. It is 100% a dying sport
@@cogitoy7692lmao you acting like they in the same sport which competition would be ideal but there not the same sport . Your point would be valid if you were talking about ONE or Bellator
I used to go to Chael for his strong opinions but he has been off the deep end for quite sometime now and I am so thankful to have Lucas always bring that new heat. No matter if you agree or disagree with him it's always fun to watch him go hard in the paint. Lucas and Guru are pretty much the only MMA channels I watch and actually care what they have to say.
I think for UFC 196 Conor mcgregor at one point said pass out before tap out. He was getting choked out and tapped out while Holly holm the same night passed out by Miesha Tate.
So I guess Lucas Is the hardcore fan In this case. Don't think we didn't forget about "Cyril Gane will bully 50-45 Jon Jones" and "Charles Oliveira Is going to get crushed by Beneil Dariush" takes my guy, lol.
The thing that pissed me off the most in the Tony Ferguson fight is that I actually had high hopes, and thought he would come in clutch with the cardio, specially that moment where Paddy gasses out completely yet Tony himself was too tired to throw a punch, I remember thinking “all that cardio for what?! He’s too tired to throw a single punch”, if instead of doing mindless running, he had actually done sport specific cardio it’s obvious he would’ve preformed better , and when he got taken down he was too mentally defeated, and physically weak to get back up, if he had focused more on sport specific training with actual intensity (not just mindless running), then I feel like he would’ve actually done better, I just remember when he got taken down and seeing the look Tony had like he had given up and thinking of maybe he did a little more strength and conditioning and a fuckton less running that this wouldn’t have happened but he is an old man so I’m not saying he would’ve BECOME more powerful, but he could’ve at least regained some explosiveness
And now you see why people who should know what they're doing need to be helping these fighters out, a loud mouth who lifts and runs isn't going to offer much in sport combat
@@bmmjg Lol Very VERY wrong, If he had a coach that would focus on shorter concise movements that wouldn't allow Tony to gas as much and study paddy, he would've atleast given a better performance
Him & MMA Joey are my favs but MMA Joey doesn’t take advice to grow his channel. I kept telling him to collab with Lucas and do UFC card Recaps together or videos like this. Imagine Joey on screen giving his take as well with this video. Those would be good
To be fair Tony hasn’t had a great corner since May 2020… his dad confided in Chael on how to get his son to stop fighting and his fear for lack of competence in his team… Based yet sad
tony is uncoachable and never worked on his bad habits, he's way too accepting to being on the bottom trying to bjj and throw albows, it doesn't work for him anymore. Among other things.
I never understood the goggins hate when he was in the corner. And it's basically as you said, the fighter has been training for 2 months or more for this very moment, sometimes a fighter might get discouraged after a round where they may have not done the best, and their corner comes in and kicks them in the ass a bit try and hype them up.
I don't think all the hardcore fans were necessarily anti-Goggins. I saw it as a pretty casual take, but it being the result of tunnel vision from a hardcore fan makes sense.
Just to be clear, MMA never grew more popular than Boxing, it may have come close but now that boxing is in a new golden age, MMA is hopelessly behind. You clearly aren’t checking the numbers at all. The RUclips channels argument is brain dead, the actually viewers for the UFC is like 1/4th of boxing
You could really cut down this video by like 10 minutes and not lose any actual content. You talk in circles lol. 'Its true that Connor can't wrestle, Conor wants to stand, when Conor wrestles he gets his ass kicked, when Conor gets taken down you know it's over, because Conor isn't a wrestler, conor really is one dimensional because he really isn't good on the ground. He can wrestle a little, but he always loses when he gets taken down because Conor is a stiker and he is one dimensional, that's not wrong to say'
Also steven a smith said cowboy couldn't take the pressure and willted under the brightlights. cowboy in his interview with brett okamoto, he said he didn't want to be thier and that cerroni showed up not cowboy, and i dont like a smith but when your right your right.
We hype Volk up because he escaped, but he himself already said many times his vision had blacked out almost completely, he was maybe two secs away from sleeping. Your alternative to not tapping is sleeping or having an injured limb, for every Volkanovski there are ten Joseph Benavidez and Minotauro Nogueiras, it's not quitting, that is a stupid take.
I think the quitting take is a bit stupid because you see people quit in boxing too. As soon as you stop throwing back and just stand at the ropes with your guard up until the ref steppes in you could argue you were quitting
Honestly goggins in the corner was kinda a genius idea it’s genuinely rare a corner man gives amazing advice honestly getting goggins in there is probably the best idea Tony’s had in years
People saying McGregor and Rousey are multi-dimensional is honestly a huge disrespect for champions who have shown to have worked on their weak areas, Kamaru Usman comes to mind specifically as his striking has evolved so much from the nut hugger he used to be. Moreno and Figgy have both helped eachother become absolute powerhouses, and everyone else yoy mentioned
I was gonna defend conor saying he had decent takedown defence and anti grappling, but then i just rewatched his fight against chad mendes- he stuffed a few and got like twice, but then gassed out and had to wait for either the round to end, or for chad to make a mistake (he went for the gilly) to get up- i think i've been spoiled by modern takedown defence like leon edwards' defence and thought mcgregor was up to that standard. if people can call darren till and shara bullet one dimensional, then i think you can call conor one dimensional as well
Hot take , having Olympic wrestling pedigree is a bad sign sometimes for transitioning to MMA ,becauseeeee wrestlers are so hard on themselves in the gym , on the mat sparring , and cutting weight almost towards death , this adds up over years and we've seen with fighters like Askren who had hip injuries, I'm sure way more , n you can tell his body is a product of horrible years of weight cutting and not having much to bulk up , I'm sure he was an explosive powerhouse when he was wrestling but those weight cuts n injuries n hard ass sparring even if jus wrestling definitely shortened his prime and made his older years harder on his physicality chin and skills , we've also seen this with others like roel ramero which by no means was his physicality bad but you would think a man who looks likes he's in his prime of his life would have a killer gas tank especially an Olympic level wrestler but I'm sure weight cuts really hurt how long his conditioning lasting which another good clue of that is his chin and why he liked striking more in his later years then on the other specturm you got top tier fighters like volk who did wrestling for two years when he was like 14 and only started mma later than most and still be an insane grappler without an insane wrestling pedigree and other great fighters like jon jones who didnt do anything insane wrestling wise and is arguably the goat
I’ve been called a casual so many times and not only did I grow up doing these things but I’ve also been watching the ufc since like the mid 2000s… yes I was striking and grappling before I even started watching the ufc.. and I’m always called a “casual” and it annoys me because it’s clearly some dumb 12 yr old or 20 yr old who have no life
It's just people projecting cause they were called casual by someone else at some point and got their feelings hurt so now they do it to others to feel better. I've seen so many braindead takes from people who throw around the word casual that at this point I think 90% of the people who use it are casuals themselves.
@@enmanuel1950 exactly. Lol that’s what drives me crazy is the things I’ll say will be something that’s like pretty smart or a good idea that no one else is even realizing yet and they flip out on me for it. Like what?? What I said actually show’s opposite of causal lol
@@profileone5655 i dont really see it, he has submissions under his belt and shot a bunch of takedowns on max Holloway (granted his leg was broken) dude almost knocked someone out from the bottom position with elbows, its not like he is terrified of getting to the ground
I think Goggins is a bit silly, but when your fighter is 40 and getting his ass handed to him and has no shot to win, a really fired up speech going into the final round would be pretty awkward. Goggins would be good to have in your corner if its a very close fight and whoever takes the last round wins.
Lucas your videos are legit so entertaining and your commentary is great, when you say something controversial and you tell everyone to calm down I swear it's comedy, you always follow up w ur point and it's good lol
Lucas Ive listened to you sporadically over the last year or so. I became a diehard in 01 around diaz lawler one. Bought all previous events on vhs and bought all events until they stopped selling physical copies. I've never missed one event and own a vast library of the Neanderthal shit. So.. sir you have earned my subscription and my attention.As an og fan,and me being 42 I don't usually agree with alot of day to day people or RUclips personalities who Xerox the common narrative. As a young man you see the sport in a common light as me. People say the Dricus Strickland melee was orchestrated... TKO merged WWE +UFC... about 3 months ago enough time for collective focus groups. What do you think man it's a multi billion dollar collaboration. Take what sells in the dying "sport" and apply it to the growing cash cow. God I hope that shit isn't true but I can kinda see it. Sean crying on a podcast to oversell it because he sold out. So tell me what you think man..
youre so right about askren v masvidal ... at that time, when masvidal was still pretty hungry (he lost it after the knee made him so popular) he would have eaten Askren alive 90% of teh time. Masivadal was a legit fighter, a brawler - askren is just pansy joker. wouldnt have been close.
those are shtty corner men yoy talk about. tony would benefit from a trevor whitman. who can give him detailed anbd exact instructions on how to adapt his striking to the situation. if you watch tony between rounds he was listening to his real cornermen coaches intently for advice on what to do. he basically ignored gogginbs useless "get ur head inb the game " advice
Masvidal actually didnt tap if i recall correctly, he went to sleep in the most epic submission in the history of the sport lol. Check out toby imada vs jorge masvidal in bellator.. so yeah i think you gotta sleep a guy like him Edit: i dont think tapping is quitting lol
finally someone saying what I´ve been saying...Masvidal would´ve beaten Askren 9/10 times and NOT the other way around...Masvidal had really good tkd in his prime and could scramble his way out really well while Askren was always hella predictable since he was a one trick pony, all he could do was wrestle and had literally no hands
yea the entitled fans malding over goggins was pretty annoying, especially when this mf wonderboy has jack black coming out right after. You'd think by now that they'd understand those kind of guys aren't gonna be the head coach or anything
I remember thinking Stephen A is absolutely right. That was not the Donald Cerrone we had seen up until that point. The pressure of 'the big fight' got to him. Cerrone froze!
You make some good points but the last one.. I don't know man.. Boxing has a ton of youtube channels with plenty of Subs.. Wade Plem, Showbiz the adult.. two just to name a few. I'd actually argue they may have more subs thn MMA channels do. Boxing is more popular internationally than it is in the USA.. Soccer isn't big out here but it's still the most popular sport in the world. That doesn't seem right to Americans.. People think Boxing is dead because of US PPV numbers but internationally it's probably bigger than it ever has been.. Massive massive following.
Masvidal has no ground game. Ben would of held him down... It would of been boring. Even with great Takedown defense, Askren would of kept him down, no finish.. Especially now that Jorge is washed up. I'm not saying he beats him 9-10 times, but if that knee never landed, Jorge would of been held down. It's also proven in MMA, the better grappler wins instead of the striker.. Many times, the grapplers have won.. You seem to be kind of a casual, sorry lol
I don't think tapping is quitting at all. That would be like saying if you get knocked down and are concussed and everything and covering up means you quit. You are in a position that you won't be able to escape that would result in something breaking or you sleeping so there's no point making yourself take more damage when you already lost. The sleeping/break only exist to 100% say you lost and having those situations can affect your career and going unconscious from chokes isn't good for the brain either and if the ref sucks you could die or have complications. If someone gets you in a rnc you will straight up have a broken jaw. There's quitting and then there's preserving yourself and accepting the fact defeat is inevitable.
After Coach Latorey Gonzalez went 1-2 coaching Mike "Platinum" Perry and encouraged him to optimize his talents for his career- I'm convinced a lot of MMA coaches just need to be dependable in an uncertain sport. If Tony wanted Goggins there alongside his trainers- it's better than Josh Fabian (who also has a UFC win, DQ... sure, still a win. More than myself 😂
Rogan was an idiot to treath Smith like this. Not because it was wrong because he kinda gatekeep the UFC.... thats stupid because Steven A Smith has such a huge following and this would open door for a new audince
Nothing is worse than people casually throwing “casual” around. It’s such a shitty thing to say and turns new eyes away from the sport. Also someone define casual. I’ve been watching since UFC 100 .. am I a casual? Do you have to be in your 40s and watched since UFC 1 to not be one?? Someone quantity and define casual please, and stop being a fucking gate-keeper. “Casual” 🤓
I always was a fan Tony, I love his whacky persona and entertaining style. But the narrative about his career is not very accurate. His win streak is overrated. Rio, Kikono and Castillo were not top guys, not big wins. Trujillo, Tibau and Thompson were all on the way down and retired shortly after losing to Tony. Vannata couldn’t hang at the top at all. RDA and Barbosa were great wins but still both guys had flaws in their game. Kevin Lee had a staph infection and went on to show how fragile his mind was for the UFC. Pettis and Cowboy were both very far from their primes and did nothing after the Tony fights. I understand it’s still very hard to put together a run like that, but I believe a number of lightweights could’ve beaten those guys at the point in their careers Tony fought them, Gaethje, Olivera, Poirier, Khabib and Makhachev for example. The other thing was that Tony went through hell with most of these guys, there were many wars. So his tank was depleted severely during the streak. Then Gaethje took another huge chunk out of his remaining mojo. Important to also remember that Tonys main strengths were his chin, endurance and movement. All drained out of him. Not to mention all the stuff he did outside of fighting like kicking pipes and cutting weight for no reason. So his current skid is not even slightly surprising. My point really is that Tony is not one of the greatest lightweights of all time and would’ve been crushed by Khabib. He is a legend of the sport and his streak will remain in the history books but the image of a mythical unbeatable force when at his prime doesn’t hold up to scrutiny when you analyse his career more deeply.
Or khabib when Dustin had him and he said”you think I’m going to tap in front of my father?!” But the other side when he had Conor in a neck crank yeah that’s a tap or Conor would have a broken face. Joe Rogan definitely came at Stephen a smith hard when he was right, cowboy was done, 2 or 3 years ago cowboy fights through that. I don’t think Joe ever apologized to Stephen a. I feel like fans of mma are sometimes sit in their high horse too much, we all start somewhere and Stephen a is a professional journalist I’m sure he knows the basics and fundamentals of mma.
Don't offer opinions until you've actually experienced what you are putting forward your opinion on. But hey, you're just a guy copying other people's schtick (ie. Weasle, Guru etc.) so I get it. You're doing it for the views, clicks and dumbasses like me who fell for your trap and left a comment. Well played sir.
Bro I would tap in a heartbeat if someone had me in a fucking armbar. I dont need my arm absolutely snapped. So if someone wants to call me a quitter then I'm alright with that cause I want my goddamn arm to function aftetwards. I don't think of these guys as weak because they wanted their goddamn joints to function. Hahaha.
I dont disagree with any of these. Mcgregor vs Diaz 1 was a level of hype nearly unseen it was the modern Forrest Griffin Vs Stephan Bonnar. Right in the middle of the Rousey and Mcgregor hype trains fully coalescing.
I still don't know how Tony getting ragdolled for 3 rounds proves the casuals right about Goggins lmao generally (especially in grappling exchanges) coaches have much more to say than two words and they don't involve motivation, just technique
imo, the problem is not Goggins cornering tony, i thought that was good actually, the problem was the training they did together, if tony had weakness stamina or mentality then maybe, but he needed more technical training & focusing his time on his weaknesses. And 1 more thing, the casual fans weren’t right, the hardcore fans were wrong. Casual fans don’t know what they are talking about they are just guessing
I call bullshit on Ben vs masvidal take 9/10 is high 7/10 is more likely we seen colby not only destroy masvidal ground defense but made it look easy . Let's get real masvidal got lucky caught him cold just like connor vs Aldo
95yr old hips AND post prime? Damn that's tough, sounds creaky. 14:00 oh shut the.. i'm in the middle of my comment here pal!!! (tapping is in fact quite important - helps to avoid broken hands, twisted kneecaps and so on.)
Let’s be real goggins wasn’t worse than “throw sand” 😂
Definitely better than pat Barry
@@rockNhardplace him too! I was trying to remember bros name; that whole situation is fucked.
Asking Tony to throw sand was brilliant, that coach is the goat
Shocking how much worse Tony looked vs Paddy compared to how he looked against Gaethje. He got demolished in that fight but still had a couple highlights, with the uppercut and the foot sweep. That fight just changed everything for Tony.
bro was listening to Stricklands advice and repeating it lol. gogginns was a shit corner man dunno how Lucas can act like that's a bad take
I was really hoping to hear a "Who's gonna carry the boats, Tony!" From Goggins
It’s the way you deliver things and you make it seem like your calling ppl cowards and weenies when you talk about them.. it’s how you come off. Sometimes it’s not what you say it’s how you say it.
You can’t be mad at us for keeping our hopes up!
"The very few instances"
Takes like this is why MMA Che is going to win
Goggins might not have been what Tony needed, but props to him for trying something new to find a spark. So many fighters lack a motor and someone like Goggins supporting them could be the missing puzzle piece. Seems it was too little, too late for El Cucuy though
i think after maybe the justin fight goggins would of been a good pick, but this late you're right too little too late
@@Pals420he would’ve beat Chandler
@kimbopizzaslice ya he looked good in the first round
I dunno, man. Not so sure Tony is intelligently seeking out the guidance he needs. Sounds to me like he's spent his later career bouncing between teams that just accommodate whatever he wants to do to feel good about himself in the moment. Completely presumptuous of me, I know, but I suspect Tony is insufferable as a student. Can you imagine him shutting up for a second and doing the boring difficult things he needs to do with humility, to follow a good coach's masterplan? I can't. Every time someone tried to teach him something in the last few years I gotta assume he just launched one of his signature bitter deluded Tony meandering rant, just a stream-of-consciousness maze of goofy contradictions where the only consistent message is that Tony is the best at everything.
nah goons seemed awkward and out of place especially near the stool
People forget that 2 fights after Askren, Masvidal fought PRIME usman on 6 days noticed and defended most of the takedowns for 5 rounds. All usman could do was hold him in the fence and stomp feet. Yeah, he would of handled Askren fine
Jorge one dimensional he beat askein who’s an old bag a milk and that’s it and beat up Nate when everyone does
Lol bro I’ve been saying this, masvidal would’ve probably beat piss out of askren for 15 minutes
facts. the first usman fight was impressive for jorge imo
@@TheScott-man nah for real. EVERYONE beats the piss outta nate lol
Then got a full camp... Got Unbatized.😂
Lucas is committed to the game. Absolutely pumping content.
Shut up bro. Corny af
On his grind for sure
Pumping content like he is pumping iron.
Could overtake Guru this year cause bro is burned out and resting on his laurels now that fighters are interacting with him.
@@ruin3r guru does seem to have slowed down a bit but I can’t fault him for that; he’s been grinding hard for years and now that he’s up he should enjoy it. I don’t see Lucas overtaking him this year though unless guru full on stops uploading for several months; but who knows RUclips’s weird.
Thank you for mentioning the Stephen A take, ive been thinking that for years. Cowboy himself had the same sentiment when asked about the fight years later
I've practiced martial arts and switched between boxing and k1 kickboxing over the years and let me tell you, every person in the realm of sport combat is opinionated,
And they're right but at the same time wrong,
I can't explain it anymore than that, but while I don't agree with Steven a Smith's conclusion to how the cowboy cerone vs Connor fight went down,
I'm always willing to listen to EVERYONE'S thoughts, now whether or not you train does matter but what you can offer knowledge wise can still be useful depending,
Even a toddler can teach an adult something knew,
A new perspective,
It's just we're so used to many casuals acting like no at alls aswell and I'm sorry if you personally don't feel you can offer an opinion
Yeah Cowboy himself admitted and even then fans disagreed with him lol.
Me too man
Exactly. He literally said that Stephen A was right
@@Dahn.Baern.years later. He should’ve supported Smith when mma fans were ripping his fckin heart out.
i look at tapping similar to resigning in chess, high level players in mma and chess can look at their situation and decide that it isn’t worth fighting anymore. it can be looked at as quitting if they maybe resign or tap early, but it isn’t quitting, some fighters are deciding they would rather not have a career ending arm break
I think tapping to an ankle lock is different than a guillotine
It is by definition quitting. The issue for me is more so the lack of nuance, quitting isn’t always bad. I can think of plenty situations where quitting is the honorable and correct option, and tapping and saving your body for more fights instead off going out or getting a shoulder ripped out is definitely one of those times
that is literally quitting, not that is something bad, but it means you are acepting your loss so it is actually quitting
So basically David Goggins is a glorified cheerleader? 😂
david goggins is the greatest fighter that ever lived
Yes
You’re lucky David goggins doesn’t try and be a fighter, he would be welterweight champion
aren’t all corner men
Still better than Colby’s corner men..wtf was that
It's time to talk about your hair.
Kinda looks like ruffled up carpet.
@eveningstar4543 At his age, Tanzanian pigmy's start to lose their hair. Lucas is just a bit shy about it 😳
Lucas the GOAT of original/fresh MMA content concepts! Happy holidays ploddy plodster :)
I wouldn't say Conor is one-dimensional, dude only real weakness is his stamina, his Bjj is pretty solid and he has decent enough wrestling, he just sadly had to fight guys like Khabib who was one of the best wrestlers in the UFC, also Conor used BJJ against Max Holloway early in his career
He’s also shown nice clinch work (Diaz 2 and shoulder strikes in the Cowboy fight ). Like, yeah he’s not the 2016 Conor anymore but this agreement is extremely crude way of viewing present/pass McGregor.
I agree, Conor isn’t one dimensional. In his prime he was a true martial artist
You could say he's 1 dimensional now especially after focusing on boxing for so long. Back in the day at 145 he could do it all but that's life as a combat sports athlete, you peak and decline ce la vie
Hes one dimensional because hes only got one viable option to win a fight and that is to outsrike and ko his opponent. “I only count knockouts” - conor
He's one dimensional on the offensive.
I keep getting confused on which side he actually supports haha
I've completed in jiu jitsu and to your first point about coaching, it doesn't need to be technical a lot of the time. Just having your team motivating you and cheering you on is actually really good to help push through tough spots.
No doubt man.
That’s why boxing is better. You 100% need a good coach
@@Ishbikes i agree withe the second statement but dont understand the first. like how does that make it better? like in what sense? lol
@russellwilson9911 like the kids say *cope harder* 🤷🏾♂️
Unfortunately a good chunk of mma fans don't actually do any MMA...
Ironic...
And be the main ones talking the most shit
@@IronReef77
Dude I know, like I promise you the ones that actually train don't have that much time, they've got their own fights and camps to worry about
Mfs never even been in a fight. It’s mostly mayonnaise boys who can’t throw hands so they hope to wrestle
Lucas Is the Hardcore Fan
Lucas is the casual he thinks tom aspinall beats jon jones or ngannou
@@waleedhamadeh-by8jzmaybe not Ngannou but he probably beats Jon
@@waleedhamadeh-by8jzjones lost against reyes santos gus 1
Aspinall has wrestling natural heavyweight
Aspinall is like ngannou but faster and has better grappling
(His chin was tested with pavlovich)
I love the whole Lucas is a causal Talk. He doesn’t like that shit🤣
Justice for Parker Porter
Why? How
@@faithalone5081Parker Porter got cut
I swear my brain just reads his name as Parker porker 😂
How could hardcore fans not agree with Stephen there? Cowboy was THE premier quitter in the UFC. All his losses are him just accepting punishment until the ref stops it
It really isn’t that he’s jst a level below the top cowboy always was .. no shame in that
@@JimBeatman Well yeah but when someone like izzy or cody garbrandt gets rocked, they are still dangerous to chase after. Even in his prime, it seemed like when cowboy got hit clean he would shell up and paint a target around himself and lose all offensive ability. If you rock cowboy, you can flurry on him with 0 risk of eating a check hook, getting taken down, or getting tangled in a clinch
@@loismylanegetting rocked and finished doesn't mean you are a quitter in any sort of way. You do realize not everybody can get rocked bad and be fine right??? Cowboy never had an iron chin and thats the reason why people like you say and think he is a quitter. More often than not guys that get rocked and start swinging wildly get finished than guys who protect themselves, shell up and try to recover. Even your example of Izzy is wrong. When Alex had him hurt he turtled up and the cage and did nothing for about 30 seconds besides get lit up and quit.
@@curtharakaly4620he literally admitted to not wanting to be there in the Conor fight. Sounds like quitting to me.
"if you could walk on water, mf's will say that you can't swim" - David "adamantium Knees" Goggins
Festive Lucas destroys any other MMA RUclipsr
Entering your prime is like walking on new legs. It takes some getting used to. The next time Tony steps into that Octagon, he's going to be winning like you wouldn't believe.
blades and shades
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Totally right about boxing. Where’s their RUclips niche ? They only have big media channels but hardly any independent RUclipsrs doing their own thing covering the sport like we have for mma. It is 100% a dying sport
This is severely untrue.
Don't get mma fans coping so hard about boxing's demise... it's beneficial to have more combat sports, from the fan pov anyway
@@cogitoy7692 its ufc or nothin
Boxing only has a bunch of 50 year old fans left, they barely know how to work youtube
@@cogitoy7692lmao you acting like they in the same sport which competition would be ideal but there not the same sport . Your point would be valid if you were talking about ONE or Bellator
Lucas is a hardcore casual, picks spivak against gane and dariush against arman to seem like a mma mastermind lol
He probably still thinks that beneil was a good pick on paper
It's not that deep
Goggins felt that loss, hes entire destiny was linked to that fight "Can he resurrect the late Tony Ferg"
I used to go to Chael for his strong opinions but he has been off the deep end for quite sometime now and I am so thankful to have Lucas always bring that new heat. No matter if you agree or disagree with him it's always fun to watch him go hard in the paint. Lucas and Guru are pretty much the only MMA channels I watch and actually care what they have to say.
I haven’t seen Chael in a while, wym he’s off the deep end?
I agree, Chael is just embarrassing now
I think for UFC 196 Conor mcgregor at one point said pass out before tap out. He was getting choked out and tapped out while Holly holm the same night passed out by Miesha Tate.
So I guess Lucas Is the hardcore fan In this case. Don't think we didn't forget about "Cyril Gane will bully 50-45 Jon Jones" and "Charles Oliveira Is going to get crushed by Beneil Dariush" takes my guy, lol.
You stopped there? Theres atleast 20 other examples you could of said too. 🤣
Baron Banana peel himself 😂
Don’t forget Whittaker and the Banana peel
Or Aljo is gonna smother O’Malley
Charles sucks so it was a good prediction lol
The thing that pissed me off the most in the Tony Ferguson fight is that I actually had high hopes, and thought he would come in clutch with the cardio, specially that moment where Paddy gasses out completely yet Tony himself was too tired to throw a punch, I remember thinking “all that cardio for what?! He’s too tired to throw a single punch”, if instead of doing mindless running, he had actually done sport specific cardio it’s obvious he would’ve preformed better , and when he got taken down he was too mentally defeated, and physically weak to get back up, if he had focused more on sport specific training with actual intensity (not just mindless running), then I feel like he would’ve actually done better, I just remember when he got taken down and seeing the look Tony had like he had given up and thinking of maybe he did a little more strength and conditioning and a fuckton less running that this wouldn’t have happened but he is an old man so I’m not saying he would’ve BECOME more powerful, but he could’ve at least regained some explosiveness
And now you see why people who should know what they're doing need to be helping these fighters out, a loud mouth who lifts and runs isn't going to offer much in sport combat
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he's a stamina and mentality guy
@@motianton
You can't build stamina in the octagon by running you build stamina by sparring,
Wait have you ever trained before?
@@aarkproductionshe could have any coach on earth and he still wouldnt sniff a win in the top 10 of any division
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Lol
Very VERY wrong,
If he had a coach that would focus on shorter concise movements that wouldn't allow Tony to gas as much and study paddy, he would've atleast given a better performance
Best mma content on RUclips. Keep changing the game
Him & MMA Joey are my favs but MMA Joey doesn’t take advice to grow his channel. I kept telling him to collab with Lucas and do UFC card Recaps together or videos like this. Imagine Joey on screen giving his take as well with this video. Those would be good
To be fair Tony hasn’t had a great corner since May 2020… his dad confided in Chael on how to get his son to stop fighting and his fear for lack of competence in his team… Based yet sad
tony is uncoachable and never worked on his bad habits, he's way too accepting to being on the bottom trying to bjj and throw albows, it doesn't work for him anymore. Among other things.
I never understood the goggins hate when he was in the corner. And it's basically as you said, the fighter has been training for 2 months or more for this very moment, sometimes a fighter might get discouraged after a round where they may have not done the best, and their corner comes in and kicks them in the ass a bit try and hype them up.
W takes Lucas. This is your best video
Sometimes casual fans can see things we (hardcore fans) cannot because we are too busy looking for complicated answers when the truth is much simpler.
that canelo take was wild. he just fought a Charlo twin
tony would had been better off spending NO time with david goggins and spent that time TRAINING with his REAL coach. EXACTLY what PADDY said.
Goggins took advantage of an over the hill fighter to build his own brand. He should be ashamed of himself
I don't think all the hardcore fans were necessarily anti-Goggins. I saw it as a pretty casual take, but it being the result of tunnel vision from a hardcore fan makes sense.
Just to be clear, MMA never grew more popular than Boxing, it may have come close but now that boxing is in a new golden age, MMA is hopelessly behind. You clearly aren’t checking the numbers at all. The RUclips channels argument is brain dead, the actually viewers for the UFC is like 1/4th of boxing
You could really cut down this video by like 10 minutes and not lose any actual content. You talk in circles lol.
'Its true that Connor can't wrestle, Conor wants to stand, when Conor wrestles he gets his ass kicked, when Conor gets taken down you know it's over, because Conor isn't a wrestler, conor really is one dimensional because he really isn't good on the ground. He can wrestle a little, but he always loses when he gets taken down because Conor is a stiker and he is one dimensional, that's not wrong to say'
The masvidal take redeemed you, I’m not a Jorge fan like I used to be but everyone saw asleep Jake Paul and Jorge’s take down defense is legit.
Remember mike perry won a fight with only his Girlfriend in his corner lol. Ppl put too much on the shoulders on fighters cornermen.
The new thumbnails suck man, you are losing traction because of them, bring back the old thumbnails man
Also steven a smith said cowboy couldn't take the pressure and willted under the brightlights. cowboy in his interview with brett okamoto, he said he didn't want to be thier and that cerroni showed up not cowboy, and i dont like a smith but when your right your right.
Goggins was just cussing in Tony’s face the whole time
We hype Volk up because he escaped, but he himself already said many times his vision had blacked out almost completely, he was maybe two secs away from sleeping. Your alternative to not tapping is sleeping or having an injured limb, for every Volkanovski there are ten Joseph Benavidez and Minotauro Nogueiras, it's not quitting, that is a stupid take.
Boxing is NOT dying! This year was its biggest year in years. Wtf are you talking about?
I think the quitting take is a bit stupid because you see people quit in boxing too. As soon as you stop throwing back and just stand at the ropes with your guard up until the ref steppes in you could argue you were quitting
Asscream had his hip surgery after ufc, as casuals would not know
Your contents are mostly very negative. Im done with this channel.
Thank you for bringing everyday entertaining! You really have grown on me
The cowboy take is garbage. He was hurt within 5 seconds
Spot on. People got mad cuz sas said cowboy quits in the big moments, which he does
Honestly goggins in the corner was kinda a genius idea it’s genuinely rare a corner man gives amazing advice honestly getting goggins in there is probably the best idea Tony’s had in years
I saw this in my recommended and I thought he was back...
Yay
People saying McGregor and Rousey are multi-dimensional is honestly a huge disrespect for champions who have shown to have worked on their weak areas, Kamaru Usman comes to mind specifically as his striking has evolved so much from the nut hugger he used to be. Moreno and Figgy have both helped eachother become absolute powerhouses, and everyone else yoy mentioned
I was gonna defend conor saying he had decent takedown defence and anti grappling, but then i just rewatched his fight against chad mendes- he stuffed a few and got like twice, but then gassed out and had to wait for either the round to end, or for chad to make a mistake (he went for the gilly) to get up- i think i've been spoiled by modern takedown defence like leon edwards' defence and thought mcgregor was up to that standard.
if people can call darren till and shara bullet one dimensional, then i think you can call conor one dimensional as well
Former casual Current hardcore 👏
Hot take , having Olympic wrestling pedigree is a bad sign sometimes for transitioning to MMA ,becauseeeee wrestlers are so hard on themselves in the gym , on the mat sparring , and cutting weight almost towards death , this adds up over years and we've seen with fighters like Askren who had hip injuries, I'm sure way more , n you can tell his body is a product of horrible years of weight cutting and not having much to bulk up , I'm sure he was an explosive powerhouse when he was wrestling but those weight cuts n injuries n hard ass sparring even if jus wrestling definitely shortened his prime and made his older years harder on his physicality chin and skills , we've also seen this with others like roel ramero which by no means was his physicality bad but you would think a man who looks likes he's in his prime of his life would have a killer gas tank especially an Olympic level wrestler but I'm sure weight cuts really hurt how long his conditioning lasting which another good clue of that is his chin and why he liked striking more in his later years then on the other specturm you got top tier fighters like volk who did wrestling for two years when he was like 14 and only started mma later than most and still be an insane grappler without an insane wrestling pedigree and other great fighters like jon jones who didnt do anything insane wrestling wise and is arguably the goat
And freestyle wrestling needs actual cage grappling to bridge that gap. You are much better off having a Sambo world championship under your belt.
Why do you remind me of Ian Garry
calling Max Kellerman a causual when speaking about boxing is Lucas being a causual.
I’ve been called a casual so many times and not only did I grow up doing these things but I’ve also been watching the ufc since like the mid 2000s… yes I was striking and grappling before I even started watching the ufc.. and I’m always called a “casual” and it annoys me because it’s clearly some dumb 12 yr old or 20 yr old who have no life
It's just people projecting cause they were called casual by someone else at some point and got their feelings hurt so now they do it to others to feel better.
I've seen so many braindead takes from people who throw around the word casual that at this point I think 90% of the people who use it are casuals themselves.
@@enmanuel1950 exactly. Lol that’s what drives me crazy is the things I’ll say will be something that’s like pretty smart or a good idea that no one else is even realizing yet and they flip out on me for it. Like what?? What I said actually show’s opposite of causal lol
Most creative content on mma RUclips
I see someone like geoff neal as one dimensional, he only uses his hands, conor at least kicked plenty too
One dimensional striker. Although I don’t agree that conor is one dimensional but I can see the argument why people see him that way
@@profileone5655 i dont really see it, he has submissions under his belt and shot a bunch of takedowns on max Holloway (granted his leg was broken) dude almost knocked someone out from the bottom position with elbows, its not like he is terrified of getting to the ground
I think Goggins is a bit silly, but when your fighter is 40 and getting his ass handed to him and has no shot to win, a really fired up speech going into the final round would be pretty awkward. Goggins would be good to have in your corner if its a very close fight and whoever takes the last round wins.
Lucas your videos are legit so entertaining and your commentary is great, when you say something controversial and you tell everyone to calm down I swear it's comedy, you always follow up w ur point and it's good lol
Let’s go my idea was used!! Everybody knows Stephen A was right despite all the hardcores trying to overcomplicate things
Mma community loves purity testing opinions based on how casual or hardcore the person who said it is
David "do what we did!" Goggins
BREATHEE BREATHEEE 😂😂😂
Lucas Ive listened to you sporadically over the last year or so. I became a diehard in 01 around diaz lawler one. Bought all previous events on vhs and bought all events until they stopped selling physical copies. I've never missed one event and own a vast library of the Neanderthal shit. So.. sir you have earned my subscription and my attention.As an og fan,and me being 42 I don't usually agree with alot of day to day people or RUclips personalities who Xerox the common narrative. As a young man you see the sport in a common light as me. People say the Dricus Strickland melee was orchestrated... TKO merged WWE +UFC... about 3 months ago enough time for collective focus groups. What do you think man it's a multi billion dollar collaboration. Take what sells in the dying "sport" and apply it to the growing cash cow. God I hope that shit isn't true but I can kinda see it. Sean crying on a podcast to oversell it because he sold out. So tell me what you think man..
I can't believe I started watching UFC earlier than you
youre so right about askren v masvidal ... at that time, when masvidal was still pretty hungry (he lost it after the knee made him so popular) he would have eaten Askren alive 90% of teh time. Masivadal was a legit fighter, a brawler - askren is just pansy joker. wouldnt have been close.
those are shtty corner men yoy talk about. tony would benefit from a trevor whitman. who can give him detailed anbd exact instructions on how to adapt his striking to the situation. if you watch tony between rounds he was listening to his real cornermen coaches intently for advice on what to do. he basically ignored gogginbs useless "get ur head inb the game " advice
Stephen A Smiths comments on WMMA were also spot on.
interesting takes
Thank you for the Askren Masvidal take. Constantly seeing that take literally gives me a headache.
Masvidal actually didnt tap if i recall correctly, he went to sleep in the most epic submission in the history of the sport lol. Check out toby imada vs jorge masvidal in bellator.. so yeah i think you gotta sleep a guy like him
Edit: i dont think tapping is quitting lol
finally someone saying what I´ve been saying...Masvidal would´ve beaten Askren 9/10 times and NOT the other way around...Masvidal had really good tkd in his prime and could scramble his way out really well while Askren was always hella predictable since he was a one trick pony, all he could do was wrestle and had literally no hands
cool
yea the entitled fans malding over goggins was pretty annoying, especially when this mf wonderboy has jack black coming out right after. You'd think by now that they'd understand those kind of guys aren't gonna be the head coach or anything
I remember thinking Stephen A is absolutely right. That was not the Donald Cerrone we had seen up until that point. The pressure of 'the big fight' got to him. Cerrone froze!
You make some good points but the last one.. I don't know man.. Boxing has a ton of youtube channels with plenty of Subs.. Wade Plem, Showbiz the adult.. two just to name a few. I'd actually argue they may have more subs thn MMA channels do. Boxing is more popular internationally than it is in the USA.. Soccer isn't big out here but it's still the most popular sport in the world. That doesn't seem right to Americans.. People think Boxing is dead because of US PPV numbers but internationally it's probably bigger than it ever has been.. Massive massive following.
Masvidal has no ground game. Ben would of held him down... It would of been boring. Even with great Takedown defense, Askren would of kept him down, no finish.. Especially now that Jorge is washed up. I'm not saying he beats him 9-10 times, but if that knee never landed, Jorge would of been held down. It's also proven in MMA, the better grappler wins instead of the striker.. Many times, the grapplers have won.. You seem to be kind of a casual, sorry lol
I don't think tapping is quitting at all. That would be like saying if you get knocked down and are concussed and everything and covering up means you quit. You are in a position that you won't be able to escape that would result in something breaking or you sleeping so there's no point making yourself take more damage when you already lost. The sleeping/break only exist to 100% say you lost and having those situations can affect your career and going unconscious from chokes isn't good for the brain either and if the ref sucks you could die or have complications. If someone gets you in a rnc you will straight up have a broken jaw. There's quitting and then there's preserving yourself and accepting the fact defeat is inevitable.
Covering up when you're concussed is not the same as throwing in the towel. It is essentially still a scramble.
Tapping is yielding from the dominant force of the opponent which is quitting. Not saying that’s bad or good but that’s quitting.
That’s why Luke Tracy is a casual
After Coach Latorey Gonzalez went 1-2 coaching Mike "Platinum" Perry and encouraged him to optimize his talents for his career- I'm convinced a lot of MMA coaches just need to be dependable in an uncertain sport. If Tony wanted Goggins there alongside his trainers- it's better than Josh Fabian (who also has a UFC win, DQ... sure, still a win. More than myself 😂
Rogan was an idiot to treath Smith like this. Not because it was wrong because he kinda gatekeep the UFC.... thats stupid because Steven A Smith has such a huge following and this would open door for a new audince
Nothing is worse than people casually throwing “casual” around. It’s such a shitty thing to say and turns new eyes away from the sport. Also someone define casual. I’ve been watching since UFC 100 .. am I a casual? Do you have to be in your 40s and watched since UFC 1 to not be one?? Someone quantity and define casual please, and stop being a fucking gate-keeper.
“Casual” 🤓
I always was a fan Tony, I love his whacky persona and entertaining style. But the narrative about his career is not very accurate. His win streak is overrated. Rio, Kikono and Castillo were not top guys, not big wins. Trujillo, Tibau and Thompson were all on the way down and retired shortly after losing to Tony. Vannata couldn’t hang at the top at all. RDA and Barbosa were great wins but still both guys had flaws in their game. Kevin Lee had a staph infection and went on to show how fragile his mind was for the UFC. Pettis and Cowboy were both very far from their primes and did nothing after the Tony fights. I understand it’s still very hard to put together a run like that, but I believe a number of lightweights could’ve beaten those guys at the point in their careers Tony fought them, Gaethje, Olivera, Poirier, Khabib and Makhachev for example. The other thing was that Tony went through hell with most of these guys, there were many wars. So his tank was depleted severely during the streak. Then Gaethje took another huge chunk out of his remaining mojo. Important to also remember that Tonys main strengths were his chin, endurance and movement. All drained out of him. Not to mention all the stuff he did outside of fighting like kicking pipes and cutting weight for no reason. So his current skid is not even slightly surprising. My point really is that Tony is not one of the greatest lightweights of all time and would’ve been crushed by Khabib. He is a legend of the sport and his streak will remain in the history books but the image of a mythical unbeatable force when at his prime doesn’t hold up to scrutiny when you analyse his career more deeply.
Or khabib when Dustin had him and he said”you think I’m going to tap in front of my father?!” But the other side when he had Conor in a neck crank yeah that’s a tap or Conor would have a broken face. Joe Rogan definitely came at Stephen a smith hard when he was right, cowboy was done, 2 or 3 years ago cowboy fights through that. I don’t think Joe ever apologized to Stephen a. I feel like fans of mma are sometimes sit in their high horse too much, we all start somewhere and Stephen a is a professional journalist I’m sure he knows the basics and fundamentals of mma.
Don't offer opinions until you've actually experienced what you are putting forward your opinion on. But hey, you're just a guy copying other people's schtick (ie. Weasle, Guru etc.) so I get it. You're doing it for the views, clicks and dumbasses like me who fell for your trap and left a comment. Well played sir.
Bro I would tap in a heartbeat if someone had me in a fucking armbar. I dont need my arm absolutely snapped. So if someone wants to call me a quitter then I'm alright with that cause I want my goddamn arm to function aftetwards. I don't think of these guys as weak because they wanted their goddamn joints to function. Hahaha.
Actually Boxers are grittier than MMA fighters by that logic because the average MMA knockout is like the average Boxing knockdown
I dont disagree with any of these. Mcgregor vs Diaz 1 was a level of hype nearly unseen it was the modern Forrest Griffin Vs Stephan Bonnar. Right in the middle of the Rousey and Mcgregor hype trains fully coalescing.
I still don't know how Tony getting ragdolled for 3 rounds proves the casuals right about Goggins lmao generally (especially in grappling exchanges) coaches have much more to say than two words and they don't involve motivation, just technique
imo, the problem is not Goggins cornering tony, i thought that was good actually, the problem was the training they did together, if tony had weakness stamina or mentality then maybe, but he needed more technical training & focusing his time on his weaknesses.
And 1 more thing, the casual fans weren’t right, the hardcore fans were wrong.
Casual fans don’t know what they are talking about they are just guessing
I call bullshit on Ben vs masvidal take 9/10 is high 7/10 is more likely we seen colby not only destroy masvidal ground defense but made it look easy .
Let's get real masvidal got lucky caught him cold just like connor vs Aldo
95yr old hips AND post prime? Damn that's tough, sounds creaky.
14:00 oh shut the.. i'm in the middle of my comment here pal!!! (tapping is in fact quite important - helps to avoid broken hands, twisted kneecaps and so on.)