You know guys i dont think all these gpu is the main problem of our performance but the main problem that we are facing now is the poor of optimization in new title games and it will be worst and worst soon if devs did not taking any action to prevent this.
@@4doorsmorewhors EA sports WRC looks (at best) same as Dirt Rally 2.0 but it's 5 times more demanding. Seriously, RX 580 can run dr2.0 1080p high 60+ fps all of the time, wrc barely 40 fps average at 1080p low, and it looks like ps3 game. Optimisation is basically performance to graphics ratio.
People fighting over which amd and nvidia gpu is something that so toxic about this type of content comment section. Just prefer based on what the result of video benchmark, you can't go wrong with both of these gpus. Unless if you consider other thing than gaming use because this is a gaming benchmark video.
@@-Luucy- too much to be a 'fanboy' on something is not good for real. You can't really expect if nvidia or AMD is doing a great job with their GPUs (at least fulfiling the consumer expectations). Nvidia 40 series is being expensive (but more power efficient and better rt dlss) and amd rx 7000 series does not have much of an improvement over 6000 series (but cheaper compared to nvidia). Each brand has their upside and downsides. And yet people still fighting that they feel the rightest with their preferences.
@@thesilver7238 you're not wrong but the gap is closing day by day, especially considering the fact that AMD has made it's driver's open source, while Nvidia hired the head of the Linux team that was working on driver compatibility for open source platforms for Nvidia's hardware. Time will tell if that move was as nefarious as a number of people seem to think. however looking at Nvidia's track record which is shady at best i can see why there's speculation. Meanwhile the open source community is free to band together and utilize and improve drivers and ROCm compute efficacy for powerful AMD hardware that outshines Nvidia's raw hardware specs in a number of cases(plz reference the hardware documentation for the 7900XTX vs The 4080 Super (compute units being the most meaningful point of comparison, or translation, to cuda cores)) The tune sung will sound much like a new song altogether, if that gap continues to be bridged at the rate that it is currently.
I hate this year's Nvidia GPU lineup and the company's overall anti-consumer practices, but AMD gotta offer more to be able to compete. In this case, for 60 bucks more I'd still take the 4080 super to have a more efficient card with RT, DLSS and better productivity use cases. Realistically though, both choices seem bad to me. I will skip this year's GPU and wait for the new products from both companies. I hope by that time either NVIDIA will start treating customers like human beings with less egregious pricing in artificially limited cards or AMD will catch up in the software war and provide better value than it does currently.
Unless AMD has an even cheaper price, Nvidia will still sell it more expensive because their R&D costs are huge. Look at DLSS and RT performance, the cost for those two things is not small, and it's worth it. Sadly, many sources say that AMD does not have a product that can compete with Nvidia's high-end GPU in the RTX 5000 generation, even their next most powerful GPU can only compete with the RTX 5070ti. This scenario is really scary, let's imagine that RTX 5060 costs $800 which is terrible.
It's funny when everyone loses their minds over RT. when only 3% of the world really uses it. AMD has been the best choice for gaming for many years. And since the 6000 series, AMD is good for content creation.
Your forgetting about work stations and people that work with editing, AI workflows, research, 3D modeling, and rendering. They wouldn't even bat an eye at amd if they want the best performance for those reasons
Sure, but even then 7900 XTX seems like a pretty hard sell at a $1k price tag. The power consumption and lower performance in some scenarios compared to 4080 Super just makes it tough to recommend. And if you are a content creator? Pffft, it's not even a question at that point, especially Blender. $800? $750? I could see it being a viable option, not $1k.
IMO AMD is competitive with Nvidia up to the 7900 GRE level. Especially as at that tier RT just is too hungry to use even the Nvidia equivalent for. For top cards, 4080 or above... Nvidia wins hands down.
@@X_irtz In amazon there are couple of offers, I have been seeing the XFX Speedster MERC310 AMD Radeon RX 7900XTX going low as 620 USD the past 2 weeks
Yes, I think 4080 actually can be better. But I bought 7900xtx with discount for 830 dollars and for the price of 4070ti super it’s definitely better. Plus amd now has CUDA converters (but I don’t care cos I’m not working in blender). There’s no bad GPUs, there’s just bad pricing.
@@X_irtz What people fail to realize is how essential raytracing is becoming. There are quite a few games that run raytracing natively without the option of turning off. The 7900 xtx may have more raw performance, but it's definitely not more optimized.
With the recent drop in pricing, and with more drops probably incoming soon with RX 8000 series a couple months out, been thinking of picking me up a cheap 7900 XTX, can’t beat that rasterized performance.
Im happy with my 4080 none super in 4k. Runs everything smooth ultra 4k and the only difference between a 4090 and 4080 is about 20 to 25 fps. They can keep that extra 25 fps
The super is basically the same card. Actually, if you compare an OC 4080 model to 4080 super reference model they perform within 1% difference, which is just margin of error. The only reason they launched the super was to lower the price and boost the sales with a shiny new SUPER in the name. The only SUPER card that is a real upgrade over the base model is the 4070.
about 3 years ago i went with a 6900 XT and have been very happy with it. Looking how prices have settled, I'm leaning towards the 4080S this time around. Thanks for the helpful video.
In heavy RT workloads (Alan Wake 2 PT), the 4080S is more than 2x faster than the 7900XTX (24fps vs. 54fps). Nvidia is clearly in a different league when it comes to RT performance.
There are even rumors that their new RT core has 4 times the performance of the current generation, a scenario where even the RTX 5060 can run full RT and still be over 60 fps.
@chien.nguyen. IDK man, I believed in leaks a few years ago, but now I realize most of them are fake. The 4x increase in RT performance sounds too good to be true. I think people would still be happy if the midrange RTX5070 could deliver RTX4090 performance in both raster and RT.
True but the list of games with good rt is at a guess less than 20 and by that I mean looks at ratchet and clank it has rt but it looks worse than global and effectively Half's your FPS because the game was made with global in mind and rt tacked on a good rt game looks and performs better but there's just not that many for my it's just not enough to get my in the green door I want to but the pure rasta power house for the price for me
I think the vram argument loses all meaning at 16gb and above. You're not going to benefit from more vram at this point for at least 4 good years...which is when you would replace the card anyway with how fast gpu tech is evolving. AMD competes in the lower tiers, upper tier cards are Nvidia's playground.
@@justsam100 Just take a look how much dlss and rt impacts vram bro. Tests were done and this is why people complain about 5070 having 12gb only. Only modern cards tests only matter in modern games. Not some washed up shit from 5 years ago.
@@sasagrcevic475 As long as ps5 and xbox series x are around, no game will be that vram heavy ..that it needs 16gb+. I think @justsam100 was right, most likely your gpu is outdated by the time your vram is not enough. And DLSS often reduces vram usage .. lower res = less vram. Just tested in Cyberpunk max settings with Pathtracing. No dlss: 13,5gb vram, dlss Q: 11,3 gb vram @3440x1440
Aqui no brasil a diferença de valor é de 1000 reais, 180 dólares a favor da AMD, a 7900xtx por 6500 reais, ou 1172 dólares, contra 7500 reais ou 1352 dólares pela 4080s. A duvida é, em quanto tempo a conta de luz iguala esse valor com esses 100w a mais que a placa da AMD consome?
sem condições de o cara ir de amd contra essa série 4k da nvidia, consumo e temperatura melhores além de estarem mais baratas, aqui no Brasil placa da AMD parece coisa de colecionador as vezes de tão escasso.
No way 7900XTX has under 350W. Unless you got the reference model, don't know about those... BUT to even get to 350W, you have to limit the power to -10%, at default Is 390W and on +15% it's 450W. I can't even trust those benchmark's
AMD MBA reference models are indeed 355w. I got one on launch day and it's performing pretty well at that wattage. a good 5% less than what the Nitro+ of a friend ran at with 420w. All RX 7900XTX's also support +15% power limit, even the MBA card included. so you could push 405w through the MBA card still despite it only having 2x 8-pin power, but 355w seems to be the efficiency sweetspot for RX 7900XTX. The FPS seems realistic here from my experience. a 7900XTX on stereoids (so a nitro+ at +15% which is basically 480-500w) will perform closer to a 4090 than to a 4080S. but that's to be expected at that power draw tbf. N31 scales pretty well with power. der8auer did a overclock and the thing could even run at 3.4ghz oc @ 650w just with a regular waterblock mostly stable.
i stay right around 350w running the full Flux.1dev model in comfyUI workflows and i funny think there's anything you can do right now that's more taxing on a GPU than that.
I wouldn’t necessarily consider it “distant”, considering some games can run it pretty well, especially when super optimised for it in a Console. But I do agree, it’s going to be a while before it becomes as “mainstream” as, for example, 4K gaming is now. That was distant only a few years ago. I do think it’s good that we’re pushing for new technology as a community, but I feel as though lighting engines are so good anyway, and with a good developer behind a good game, ray tracing simply makes no real and tangible difference to me. It takes a huge performance hit for not much better visuals.
It’s called investment. He invests money in those graphic cards, to then make videos comparing them. Afterwards, he gets more money than what he originally spent. Is it that hard to use your brain ?
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@@blackarrow7548 during the last gen efficiency was not important according to nvidia fanboys. Now it seems very important ;) Yes, nvidia is currently more efficient, but in reality for normal gamers the difference is trivial in the actual power bill.
@@TheMahtimursu Airflow and PSU choice has a high impact. also amd cards have driver issues and has very bad rtx performance. On software nvidia is also very good.
I am getting ready to build my first gaming pc and the 7900 xtx is $788 on amazon, so it is competing with the 4070 ti super in price rn. I have a budgeted myself about $800 for the gpu. The biggest selling point for a Nvidia card DLSS and ray tracing. I am heavily leaning towards the 7900 xtx. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with these gpu’s?
whats your plans on gaming, if you plan on playing fps titles, such a CoD, Overwatch, Valorant, etc. Go for the 7900xtx, it generally beats the 4080 super by quite a lot, on the other hand if you don't like competitive shooters, and want just want to play story games with raytracing go for the 4080 super.
@@tuckeredadams It doesn't cost 200$ more, you can find both for the exact same price, you just have to look. If you buy your shit off of Amazon and other big online retailers you only have yourself to blame for your laziness. For gaming, you're also never going to use that extra vram my guy. If you're maxing out the vram on a 4080 then you're already running something that card doesn't have enough processing power to run in the first place, vram is the least of your concerns.
@@justsam100 When i bought my 3060 12gb in 2021 i couldn´t fill the vram at all, today re4 reamake and horizon forbiden west fill it in medium to high. Give it a couple of years and 16 is gona be just enough.
The power consumption alone would make the amd card a much more expensive option for me. Putting extra watts for effectively no gain into a climate controlled room is a big consideration in price over the lifetime of a gpu.
I own both cards and the xtx beats the 4080 in most games without ray tracing. If I had to choose between the two of them I'd go with the 7900xtx. I play games in native 4k and amd is more powerful
@@squad-kl3ek no one. cares. about. ray tracing. you literally are brainrot ppl. there are 4 new GOOD games with ray tracing. most ppl play OLDER games with no even RT available. and other group of players play competitive games and they care about fps not rt. xD
As much of a fanboy I am for Nvidia, I just cant spend an extra $3-400 more for a 4080 when the 7900xtx is a better buy/deal and pretty much a better card.
I am no Nvidia fanboy, in fact I have avoided Nvidia since they started overcharging for the 2080 Ti (they are responsible 100% for the cost of video cards being out of touch!) But the 7900XTX is NOT a better card. In pure raster, maybe. But consumption, RT, DLSS, and many other features makes Nvidia overall way better. While I like my 7900XTX, the drivers always never seem to work right (right now, latest, the AMD Radeon settings come on by themselves if your monitor goes on standby).
@@ricsim78 I don’t understand why everyone who writes about DLSS doesn’t mention FSR? as if Nvidia has an upscaler and AMD doesn’t, are you blind? I don’t know who uses PTX because when I watch streamers, they all turn off this PTX even though they have video cards like 4080-4090, why are you writing for this PTX if only 2% of all gamers use it?
@@mfelicio1 No at this time you should go for a full AMD build. Every other is just stupid. To buy Nvidia where you need to pay 200€ extra for same performance is bad. And to go with Intel at this price class yea you gonna get a cooked CPU. U also need to know that amd has SAM that gives 20fps more
@@listX_DE same performace? and it is 20€.. not 200.. did you see a different video than we did? as soon as RT and FG come into play, the 4080 is twice as fast
@@jimbean9142 Nah sorry looked it up. Nvidia lowerd really there GPUs. Before a 7900xtx was on 1000€ and a ONLY 4080 was at 1200€ so my bad. that's crasy a super is cheaper than a normal.
@@jimbean9142 But you can't even tell if RT is on or off. I bet the same money as these carts. And FG no you get more Frames out of AMDs but these games use FSR 2.1 so yes it's bad but 3.1 beats it
@@Joniwalkaway asus tuf f15 4060 140w Core i7 12700h 32g ram 3200 Laptop's monitor: 1080p 144hz gsync My other Monitor: 27inch ips 1440p gsync 170hz asus Getting 70 to 90 fps in new games max setting and RT on with dlss quality and FG in 1440p one of the best budget gaming laptop(i use it for gaming and civil engineering) and monitor Planning to get a 4070ti super dekstop with a 4k 120hz sony tv. So? You really thought i would write that comment with a gtx 750?!
I went with the 4080 S. I would've gotten the 7900XTX but it was $100 more at the time. (Ik shocker right?) Plus, I get raytracing, better VR support, and top notch rendering support. Which AMD either does not do, or do very well.
Nvidia Fanboy logic: 30 series bad power efficency: nah nobody cares about that! 40 series good power efficency: yeah baby, efficency is the most important thing! Nvidia throttling some of their gpus by adding far too little vram for what they advertise: nah, just buy another card that is 100% more expensive. And that DLSS main impact on performance comes from shooting your GPU into the head by turning on RT, which a lot of games still don't use in a noticable way.
Amd fanboys when they are comparing cpus : AMD IS BETTER ITS MORE EFFICIENT COPE INTEL FANS AMD fanboys when it comes to GPU : EFFICIENCY DOESNT MATTER AMD IS BETTER COPE NVIDIA FANS Nvidia demolished amd in this generation admit it.
Yeah, nobody was talking about efficiency last grn when a 500$ cheaper card 6900xt was matching 3090 while consuming 100w less. That was a clear winner, but you can't prove it to dumb nvidia fanboys.
Nvidia Fanboys - Save power with Nvidia! Then drop a Intel Cpu in that same rig pulling 300 watts more than AMD cpu Lmao! Nvidia Fanboys- dLsS bEtEr tHaN nAtIvE textures still smeared and jagged with shimmering. But go watch their favorite paid off Nvidia shill youtuber cuddling them for dlss. Nvidia Fanboys- Only Nvidia can raytrace! Even though Native Raster with HDR looks better than Upscaled RT. AMD- Literally can still RT every game out with my 7900XTX at 1440P and 4K. AMD- Got frame gen in any game with AFMF 2 AMD- Keeping old Nvidia gpu's still relevant with FSR 3. AMD- Got way more VRAM for your money in every GPU can load more High res textures and perform better with mods. AMD- Custom color options that Nvidia's cant compete with AMD- Adrenaline 1000 times better than Crapforce Ngreedia AMD- Display port 2.1 while Nvidia still on the old Display port 1.4.
In the next 2 years, if AMD does not improve RT and FSR closer to Nvidia's, it will be a death sentence for them, because RT is being included in the standard by companies because of its benefits in reducing development time and costs. games, especially the much improved RT performance and the participation of the Lumen solution
RDNA 4 leaks that have been DMCA'd by sony, it states that RT performance is doubled, up to quadrupled in some instances. so dont worry about RT as AMD will catch up, at least to 40 series at a minimum.
True not dead but true. Most people dont play Heavy RT its also not mainstream. The AMD cards can ez use handle RT but not the heavy one and even the heavy can be counted by hand.
4090 is in another league dude, if your looking at buying one it means you can afford one, and if you can afford one the go for it, its literally the most powerful gaming gpu on planet earth right now
@@codycrabtree3684 Its actually starting from 1.700 you can find a one with 1.7K dollars but yeah. Back in the day when people could buy a high end flagship gpu at only 700 dollars.
I've got a 3080ti and downloaded Lossless scaling the other day... Cyberpunk 2077 everything on ultra RT and Path tracing 75 to 90 fps LOL! It has its glitches graphically, but its amazing! Should keep me going for a generation until AMD or some other company turns up and allows me to get away from Nvidia!
Same price for both in my place. From what I see on benchmark. 10fps more with extra 100w gpu power, long term seems 4080 s would be better choice for the power consumption
Gpus have lot larger surface area which increases cooling efficiency. If you want to make you cpu cooler, get some better thermal paste or drop the frequency and voltage
Saving up for a new pc, if 50series is a massive leap, I will most likely delay the build till the price somewhat stabilizes. ROG ally is meeting my demands at the moment and with the backlog I can keep being satisfied with it for atleast the next few years.
8:30, it is sick that the XTX needs +45% more watts... only for a handful of more fps in standard rasterization. EDIT: 4080 Super clear winner in every aspect anyway, specially in games with RT.
@@VanyaYlianov the truth is AMD is using more electricity and is using electricity less efficiently than Nvidia. I know AMD users have a way to make it use somewhere around 320W but the performance remains the same, but Nvidia GPUs can do the same thing so the difference is still large, looking at this difference and the RT performance I know why AMD There is no high-end GPU to compete with RTX 5000 because they simply gave up to Nvidia in the next generation
@@chien.nguyen. i like amds way much more with consumption limit not frequency like nvidia, in gta sa 4 example 1080 was sonsuming only around 90 watts, limited by frequency, but 7900 xtx comes to absolutely insane 3120 mhz at 325 watts, while in mostly games its around 2500, and it increases fps proportionally. so if u could take more from nvidia gpu just by that wouldn u do that?
I have both Sapphire 7900xtx and Aorus Master 4090 on separate rigs for my bed room and living room pc and much prefer the AMD since it’s on an AM5 while the Aorus is on an aging x570 running a 5950x.
I like AMD and am rocking a XFX Merc Black edition 7900XTX, but what is there to like more about the 7900XTX than the 4090 (except cost)? 4090 has much better RT, same VRAM, DLSS, and much more performance. It is also much better for content creation. I mean, no one on this planet would prefer a slower card that cannot compete, the "system matching" is BS, too. That 4090 would benefit your better rig. I just did not want to spend $2000 on a video card, only reason I went with the 7900XTX.
hopefully amd focuses fixing raytraycing performance on next gen. i would give up on making highend gpus too if i couldnt deliver great performance on a popular setting.
good work for nvidia with this gen!!!!!3000series was outperform by 6000 a 3080 ti in my country was at 1300 euros on my country while a 6900xt was 1000 and way more beastt!!!!NOW we have to give it to nvidia both 7900xtx with 4080 s have almost the same price at raw power both cards are almost same both beast!!!!ray tracing as ti goes is more visible and you can use it and dlss3 i wayy more better than previus......BOTH CARDS the goats but for me this gen nvidia almost wins they improved a lot!!!!
@@someperson1829 yea and no… So you get dlss and better rt but only on 3 games that have really rt. So if you play cyberpunk and love it then go for the 4080s. But only then.
@@listX_DE bro, same price, better RT and upscale tech, better driver and support, yes the RX has like 5-10% performance and 8 GB Vram but 16GB it just too enough for anh games nowaday, not to mention the 4080S eat less power than the 7900XTX
@@listX_DE He just went through small about of games. There are more broad tests in games, where 4080S wins even in raster. With new drivers 7900XTX lost that edge in raster, now extra VRAM is the only edge it has, that it will not be able to utilize properly anyway. lol
There is literally no reason to pick AMD over Nvidia if the price is the same. With Nvidia you're losing 5% to 10% raster performance in a few games where AMD cards are favored, but you gain access to DLSS and up to 55% better RT performance. Let's not forget that with UE5 more than a few games will have some form of RT baked into their lighting system, meaning you can't turn it off completely...that's when you really want an Nvidia card over AMD just for the peace of mind of being able to run them all.
@@Definedd If you don't have a PC or your GPU is too old, what do you do to wait 5 more months, no one will do that, buy a new GPU now because in the next 5 months there will only be RTX 5090, RTX 5080 will have to wait at the earliest. At the end of the first quarter of 2025, during that time, if you save a good amount of money, reselling and upgrading the RTX 4080 Super is still very good because it is still new and you do not spend much money on it.
@@Definedd your are tripping bro. Every generation had problems on release. Might as well wait for the 8080Ti for 10k resolution. Dumb comment on waiting.
@@Xilent1 It means that 5090 will be made of two 5080's. Dual GPU's in the past were rare and built only if they couldn't get much gains over the previous model on a single chip, they are reserved only for one card in the lineup on the highest end just to keep Nvidia on the top of the hill. They are hotter, more power hungry and cost more to produce, 5090 will be built on three PCB's according to the leaks and probably launch at $2000 if not more.
You bought 1000+ dollars for GPU and still can't turn on ray tracing settings? That must be suck. You said you don't care about RT, but i know deep down you want those relism in lighting.
@@ardi1606 In games like COD and other competitive shooters, ray tracing makes it more diffecult to see enemies and slows down the fps, In games like cyberpunk RT off looks sharper and clearer, and that is what I prefer. It is a personal preference and not worth $200 extra to have to look hard to notice rt on.
@@rodhester2166ray tracing is a gimmick still, if you really want rt, wait until cards come out that better optimize it and games that come out to also better optimize it. That guy in the comments is blowing air up you.
The super came out over a year after the 7900xtx lol. You should compare it the the gpu it came out with, the non super. Else it would be fair to say that the 7900 is better then 3080, which it obviously is but thats not a fair comp
@@thor.halsli The 4080 non super is NOT that much slower than the 7900xtx and 4080super. Even a 4080 is considerably faster in heavy RAY TRACING than 7900xtx.
@@adlibconstitution1609 I could say the same the other way around, the 7900xtx is NOT that mush slower then the 4080super. And 6 years after ray tracing came it's still isn't worth the bad performance. You’re looking at a maximum of 30fps in games with resolutions ranging from sub-1080p to 1440p
@@thor.halsli Look at Hogwarts Legacy RT the 4080super can hit a very PLAYABLE 100fps in 1440p while the 7900xtx cannot even hit 60fps. A 4080 can deliver nearly same RT performance as a 4080super which can deliver above 80fps RT in 1440p. The 7900xtx is way behind than even the 4080 non-super in RT.
@@adlibconstitution1609 7900 xtx does not claim to be a ray tracing card. And why would they, no one uses ray tracing. Nvidia biased a 120fps in 4k when the 4080 released, it failed to deliver that.
We'll see what the next generation of cards brings but AMD definitely stood well against Nvidia this generation, I'm thrusting into the radeon 8000 series even if it's already been stated they'll focus on it being mid-range cards
4080s wins. DLSS along with the ability to raytrace is indeed a decent deal. Also the 4080s consumes less power. Neither cards will be using more than 16GB+VRAM anytime soon.
I am an amd fanboy who last build an intel system back in 2004. Even i dont use amd/ati gpu. That's how bad the gpu situation with amd is. 50%performance hit when in RT mode? Nope, esp when I'm paying a grand for it.
NGL in some titles like DayZ ive seen my 7900xtx nitro shoot to 580watts like in certain scenarios when you alt tab back into games But I mean, with a 1600w psu and +15% on the power limit.
außer Raytracing: Nvidia aber erst ab 4080 alles drunter kannste my mind in die tonne werfen DLSS/FSR: (beides für mich totale unschärfe das es mir weh tut in den augen) Nvidia Willst einfach die größte Gaming Leistung jetzt und in der Zukunft kauf AMD
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im just saying if youre going to use the gpu for a while and wont replace it consider the 4080s notice that with power efficiency nvidia wins and there are still problems with amd graphics cards that uses 500w on overwatch and other fps games that dont use a lot of the gpu while any other nvidia graphics card pulls at least half of that
Lol buying anythingSMD for gaming makes you a chump. AMD is not meant for.gaming and never has been. AMD is great for 4K Videos and HD TV. AMD o ly exists in gaming to make people think they have something good. There is a reason why all games on PC are done with Intel and Nvidia components
I can't help but feel AMD really failed this gen at the high end... their products aren't bad, they just chug back so much power to keep up. Kinda like what Intel does with CPU's 😅
@thebeast12333 reading comprehension /10 Since I stated that AMD failed the high end and we were talking about power draw. My 7900XTX uses 90% of the 4090 TDP. It's a shame that it maxes out at about 70% the performance in most titles.
In Australia, the cheapest 7800xtx Vs the cheapest 4080s is about 200 USD, how much is rt worth? Price conversion for cheapest Vs cheapest is 920usd Vs 1120usd, and this is after both have dropped down roughly 150 usd
Get the 4080s. At the low/midrange end, AMD wins. At the highend, heres a comparison: 7900xtx: Gaming, FSR, RT bad. 4080S: Gaming, DLSS, Creator tools, Workstation, CUDA, Rasterization 1-5% worse, RT great, PT great. At the highend you shouldnt mind an extra 200 usd for more uses and features.
Everyone is sitting here laughing at the few times that the 7900xtx had drops in performance, and tbh even if it was consistently 100 watts more, it would still be a way better deal then a 4090 that’s almost double the price. Because 2000$ minimum for a part that is rivaled by something at least 700$ cheaper not a good deal, no matter how u twist it
My choice was for 4080super between these two. Not because the RT performance, but because DLLS 3 (HUGE increase)... And don't tell me about FSR, because it looks ugly.
@@Vampucio its 100w more yeah but do you want to support nvidia? they are not nice to Fans Power = AMD Powerdraw = Nividia Performance = AMD VRAM = AMD only gaming without blur dlss/FSR or raytracing amd wins everytime If you want to play with blur dlss/FSR and Raytracing buy nvidia If you watch on your powerdraw than nvidia
@@SuperHeroKevin. I'm not Mother Teresa. I want to get more for less money. If NVidia gives me dlss + rt for the same money as AMD (but which has a bad FSR and no RT), why should I choose AMD?
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Games :
Horizon Forbidden West - 0:00
Ghost of Tsushima - 1:00
Alan Wake 2 - 1:55
Alan Wake 2 | RT, DLSS\FSR - 2:49
Avatar Frontiers of Pandora - 3:42
Cyberpunk 2077 - 4:37
Cyberpunk 2077 | RT, DLSS\FSR - 5:16
Senua's Saga Hellblade II - 6:01
Hogwarts Legacy - 6:49
Hogwarts Legacy | RT - 7:41
Forza Horizon 5 - 8:30
Red Dead Redemption 2 - 9:19
Starfield - 10:13
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You know guys i dont think all these gpu is the main problem of our performance but the main problem that we are facing now is the poor of optimization in new title games and it will be worst and worst soon if devs did not taking any action to prevent this.
Word! Listen this guy!
How can you know if a game isn't well optimized? Serious question
@@4doorsmorewhors EA sports WRC looks (at best) same as Dirt Rally 2.0 but it's 5 times more demanding. Seriously, RX 580 can run dr2.0 1080p high 60+ fps all of the time, wrc barely 40 fps average at 1080p low, and it looks like ps3 game. Optimisation is basically performance to graphics ratio.
@@markoradakovic7713 ok so you just look at a game and know if it's optimized..... Sure bud lol
@@4doorsmorewhors its basically when a game looks like ass but needs a 4090 to run well at 1080p.
Finally a video with the diferent tecnologies configuration on/off, not only rasterized
What is rasterized?
@@MrKingNica it means without ray tracing, dlls and fsr
People fighting over which amd and nvidia gpu is something that so toxic about this type of content comment section. Just prefer based on what the result of video benchmark, you can't go wrong with both of these gpus. Unless if you consider other thing than gaming use because this is a gaming benchmark video.
They're either children or adults with very immature mindset, which is sad honestly...
For anything AI related, NVIDIA is the way to go, no contest here. CUDA is miles ahead of ROCm
@@thesilver7238 yeah for sure as I have just said 'unless if you consider other thing than gaming use...'
@@-Luucy- too much to be a 'fanboy' on something is not good for real. You can't really expect if nvidia or AMD is doing a great job with their GPUs (at least fulfiling the consumer expectations). Nvidia 40 series is being expensive (but more power efficient and better rt dlss) and amd rx 7000 series does not have much of an improvement over 6000 series (but cheaper compared to nvidia). Each brand has their upside and downsides. And yet people still fighting that they feel the rightest with their preferences.
@@thesilver7238 you're not wrong but the gap is closing day by day, especially considering the fact that AMD has made it's driver's open source, while Nvidia hired the head of the Linux team that was working on driver compatibility for open source platforms for Nvidia's hardware. Time will tell if that move was as nefarious as a number of people seem to think. however looking at Nvidia's track record which is shady at best i can see why there's speculation. Meanwhile the open source community is free to band together and utilize and improve drivers and ROCm compute efficacy for powerful AMD hardware that outshines Nvidia's raw hardware specs in a number of cases(plz reference the hardware documentation for the 7900XTX vs The 4080 Super (compute units being the most meaningful point of comparison, or translation, to cuda cores)) The tune sung will sound much like a new song altogether, if that gap continues to be bridged at the rate that it is currently.
I hate this year's Nvidia GPU lineup and the company's overall anti-consumer practices, but AMD gotta offer more to be able to compete. In this case, for 60 bucks more I'd still take the 4080 super to have a more efficient card with RT, DLSS and better productivity use cases.
Realistically though, both choices seem bad to me. I will skip this year's GPU and wait for the new products from both companies. I hope by that time either NVIDIA will start treating customers like human beings with less egregious pricing in artificially limited cards or AMD will catch up in the software war and provide better value than it does currently.
Unless AMD has an even cheaper price, Nvidia will still sell it more expensive because their R&D costs are huge. Look at DLSS and RT performance, the cost for those two things is not small, and it's worth it. Sadly, many sources say that AMD does not have a product that can compete with Nvidia's high-end GPU in the RTX 5000 generation, even their next most powerful GPU can only compete with the RTX 5070ti. This scenario is really scary, let's imagine that RTX 5060 costs $800 which is terrible.
Wait till you see the RTX 5000 series next year...
@@chien.nguyen. I may need to skip more than one generation lol *cries*
@@chien.nguyen. i bet on 5090 at 2199 US Dollars
You forgot about the 7900 golden rabbit
It's funny when everyone loses their minds over RT. when only 3% of the world really uses it. AMD has been the best choice for gaming for many years. And since the 6000 series, AMD is good for content creation.
Trash. More money=more performance 😄
4060 vs 6700 xt 6700xt for sure but when it comes to high end gpus, nah. Nvidia much better.
@@AurentheabsoIute Dont talk shit, get some education befor writing bullshit
Your forgetting about work stations and people that work with editing, AI workflows, research, 3D modeling, and rendering. They wouldn't even bat an eye at amd if they want the best performance for those reasons
@@Michael-ty2uo Who gives a fuck, its not about work, its about gaming or cant you read. AMD is better for gaming.
In general the logic is this: You want RT? you get Nvdia. You play games that dont really use it? You get amd.
Sure, but even then 7900 XTX seems like a pretty hard sell at a $1k price tag. The power consumption and lower performance in some scenarios compared to 4080 Super just makes it tough to recommend. And if you are a content creator? Pffft, it's not even a question at that point, especially Blender. $800? $750? I could see it being a viable option, not $1k.
IMO AMD is competitive with Nvidia up to the 7900 GRE level. Especially as at that tier RT just is too hungry to use even the Nvidia equivalent for. For top cards, 4080 or above... Nvidia wins hands down.
@@X_irtz In amazon there are couple of offers, I have been seeing the XFX Speedster MERC310 AMD Radeon RX 7900XTX going low as 620 USD the past 2 weeks
Yes, I think 4080 actually can be better. But I bought 7900xtx with discount for 830 dollars and for the price of 4070ti super it’s definitely better. Plus amd now has CUDA converters (but I don’t care cos I’m not working in blender). There’s no bad GPUs, there’s just bad pricing.
@@X_irtz What people fail to realize is how essential raytracing is becoming. There are quite a few games that run raytracing natively without the option of turning off. The 7900 xtx may have more raw performance, but it's definitely not more optimized.
With the recent drop in pricing, and with more drops probably incoming soon with RX 8000 series a couple months out, been thinking of picking me up a cheap 7900 XTX, can’t beat that rasterized performance.
Im happy with my 4080 none super in 4k. Runs everything smooth ultra 4k and the only difference between a 4090 and 4080 is about 20 to 25 fps. They can keep that extra 25 fps
the rtx 4080 its the same thing than rtx 4080 super same performancexd
Basically, it's the same. The 4080 is the 4k card of this generation, and the 4090 is 4k+
The super is basically the same card.
Actually, if you compare an OC 4080 model to 4080 super reference model they perform within 1% difference, which is just margin of error. The only reason they launched the super was to lower the price and boost the sales with a shiny new SUPER in the name.
The only SUPER card that is a real upgrade over the base model is the 4070.
Ehm and the VRAM ?
@@RiverNeonot one single problem
about 3 years ago i went with a 6900 XT and have been very happy with it. Looking how prices have settled, I'm leaning towards the 4080S this time around. Thanks for the helpful video.
In heavy RT workloads (Alan Wake 2 PT), the 4080S is more than 2x faster than the 7900XTX (24fps vs. 54fps). Nvidia is clearly in a different league when it comes to RT performance.
There are even rumors that their new RT core has 4 times the performance of the current generation, a scenario where even the RTX 5060 can run full RT and still be over 60 fps.
@chien.nguyen. IDK man, I believed in leaks a few years ago, but now I realize most of them are fake. The 4x increase in RT performance sounds too good to be true. I think people would still be happy if the midrange RTX5070 could deliver RTX4090 performance in both raster and RT.
no sheet
Its just nvidia sponsored tittle relax
True but the list of games with good rt is at a guess less than 20 and by that I mean looks at ratchet and clank it has rt but it looks worse than global and effectively Half's your FPS because the game was made with global in mind and rt tacked on a good rt game looks and performs better but there's just not that many for my it's just not enough to get my in the green door I want to but the pure rasta power house for the price for me
Both are amazing cards. I think it comes down to which is more important to you; VRAM or RT.
I think the vram argument loses all meaning at 16gb and above. You're not going to benefit from more vram at this point for at least 4 good years...which is when you would replace the card anyway with how fast gpu tech is evolving.
AMD competes in the lower tiers, upper tier cards are Nvidia's playground.
@@justsam100 Just take a look how much dlss and rt impacts vram bro. Tests were done and this is why people complain about 5070 having 12gb only. Only modern cards tests only matter in modern games. Not some washed up shit from 5 years ago.
@@sasagrcevic475 As long as ps5 and xbox series x are around, no game will be that vram heavy ..that it needs 16gb+. I think @justsam100 was right, most likely your gpu is outdated by the time your vram is not enough. And DLSS often reduces vram usage .. lower res = less vram. Just tested in Cyberpunk max settings with Pathtracing. No dlss: 13,5gb vram, dlss Q: 11,3 gb vram @3440x1440
@@justsam100 That is if you only use your GPU to play videogames. If you use it for rendering, or even AI, those extra gigabytes would be quite useful
Aqui no brasil a diferença de valor é de 1000 reais, 180 dólares a favor da AMD, a 7900xtx por 6500 reais, ou 1172 dólares, contra 7500 reais ou 1352 dólares pela 4080s. A duvida é, em quanto tempo a conta de luz iguala esse valor com esses 100w a mais que a placa da AMD consome?
sem condições de o cara ir de amd contra essa série 4k da nvidia, consumo e temperatura melhores além de estarem mais baratas, aqui no Brasil placa da AMD parece coisa de colecionador as vezes de tão escasso.
In Europe an 4080s for 1000 Box would be a Dream😂
@user-wx4ln9jk3h same in Portugal, Spain, France... he must be looking at the expensive shops
here in italy it's 1150-1200€
got it for 999 from newegg shipped internationally, pretty sure u can do the same.
@@bashoot jeah but the shipping Cost is high and insurence ... so its the same basecly
@@gabrielhauer7893 0 tax 0 shipping all the way to the middle east
No way 7900XTX has under 350W. Unless you got the reference model, don't know about those... BUT to even get to 350W, you have to limit the power to -10%, at default Is 390W and on +15% it's 450W. I can't even trust those benchmark's
AMD MBA reference models are indeed 355w. I got one on launch day and it's performing pretty well at that wattage. a good 5% less than what the Nitro+ of a friend ran at with 420w.
All RX 7900XTX's also support +15% power limit, even the MBA card included. so you could push 405w through the MBA card still despite it only having 2x 8-pin power, but 355w seems to be the efficiency sweetspot for RX 7900XTX.
The FPS seems realistic here from my experience. a 7900XTX on stereoids (so a nitro+ at +15% which is basically 480-500w) will perform closer to a 4090 than to a 4080S. but that's to be expected at that power draw tbf. N31 scales pretty well with power. der8auer did a overclock and the thing could even run at 3.4ghz oc @ 650w just with a regular waterblock mostly stable.
Bro in some titles I use radeon chill and set the FPS to 120 and it chills around 350 or less.
My Xfx 7900 xtx pulls 450w easily out of the box. Had to upgrade from an 850watt to a 1000watt
i stay right around 350w running the full Flux.1dev model in comfyUI workflows and i funny think there's anything you can do right now that's more taxing on a GPU than that.
Ray tracing is still in the distant future in native 4k
I wouldn’t necessarily consider it “distant”, considering some games can run it pretty well, especially when super optimised for it in a Console. But I do agree, it’s going to be a while before it becomes as “mainstream” as, for example, 4K gaming is now. That was distant only a few years ago.
I do think it’s good that we’re pushing for new technology as a community, but I feel as though lighting engines are so good anyway, and with a good developer behind a good game, ray tracing simply makes no real and tangible difference to me. It takes a huge performance hit for not much better visuals.
@@Ash-re2fe It's a great argument
RT is overated
@@luissuarez8961 So was 60 fps at one point in time
@@luissuarez8961nope, wait till game developers implement light RT in every game
From a 1080Ti to a 3080 to a 7900XTX i can say one thing, AMD has far better software and less issues.
Performance wise, it ain't a 4090.
do you have a computer shop. how come u have a video on every cpu and gpus
he works at one, and made a deal with the owner to use some cards in exchange for a percentage of the channel profit
fake@@ives321
He sells pre built pc but had to test it first so he games using those pc as well as testing all the hardware.
It’s called investment. He invests money in those graphic cards, to then make videos comparing them. Afterwards, he gets more money than what he originally spent. Is it that hard to use your brain ?
@@zakae6hdt72Calm down, internet tough guy.
Drink your milk.
amd perform better as long as you dont use raytracing, and its cheaper a given win for me.
Went with 7900 xtx
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We really have to admit nvidia is doing great with power efficiency.
nvidia uses a more efficient node and amd uses their first try of MCM gpus, thats why nvidia is more efficient.
This generation but not last gen
@@Nicx343x nobody talks about last gen lol
@@blackarrow7548 during the last gen efficiency was not important according to nvidia fanboys. Now it seems very important ;) Yes, nvidia is currently more efficient, but in reality for normal gamers the difference is trivial in the actual power bill.
@@TheMahtimursu Airflow and PSU choice has a high impact. also amd cards have driver issues and has very bad rtx performance. On software nvidia is also very good.
I am getting ready to build my first gaming pc and the 7900 xtx is $788 on amazon, so it is competing with the 4070 ti super in price rn. I have a budgeted myself about $800 for the gpu. The biggest selling point for a Nvidia card DLSS and ray tracing. I am heavily leaning towards the 7900 xtx. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with these gpu’s?
whats your plans on gaming, if you plan on playing fps titles, such a CoD, Overwatch, Valorant, etc. Go for the 7900xtx, it generally beats the 4080 super by quite a lot, on the other hand if you don't like competitive shooters, and want just want to play story games with raytracing go for the 4080 super.
4080 Super having similar performance to the 7900XTX while performing cooler and running at much lower wattage seems like a W to me.
not to mention has far more content creation performance for video and photo work.
While also having 8GB less VRAM and costing $200 more. Yeah... huge W...
@@tuckeredadams It doesn't cost 200$ more, you can find both for the exact same price, you just have to look.
If you buy your shit off of Amazon and other big online retailers you only have yourself to blame for your laziness.
For gaming, you're also never going to use that extra vram my guy. If you're maxing out the vram on a 4080 then you're already running something that card doesn't have enough processing power to run in the first place, vram is the least of your concerns.
@@justsam100 When i bought my 3060 12gb in 2021 i couldn´t fill the vram at all, today re4 reamake and horizon forbiden west fill it in medium to high. Give it a couple of years and 16 is gona be just enough.
The power consumption alone would make the amd card a much more expensive option for me. Putting extra watts for effectively no gain into a climate controlled room is a big consideration in price over the lifetime of a gpu.
I own both cards and the xtx beats the 4080 in most games without ray tracing. If I had to choose between the two of them I'd go with the 7900xtx. I play games in native 4k and amd is more powerful
For the 7900XTX to be worth good value it would have to cost around $800-$850
Amd GPUS would have beat nvidia if their GPUS run ray tracing good
I literally just got mine for 846…
@@squad-kl3ek no one. cares. about. ray tracing. you literally are brainrot ppl. there are 4 new GOOD games with ray tracing. most ppl play OLDER games with no even RT available. and other group of players play competitive games and they care about fps not rt. xD
@@yeetski69 got a Msi Suprim 4080 for 800 a week ago. I can literally sell this in the next year and still break even or make a small profit lol.
@@justsam100 great deal man I wanted to try amd so I said f it
Eu acredito no seguinte… quem compra essas placas de vídeo vai querer tudo no ultra, com RT e DLSS… e a NVIDIA é a melhor até então
wow that 4080 Super is very efficient relatively, I thought my 4070S was pretty good but that just may be even more frames/Watt.
try undervolting your 4070 super, got mine donw 35% while keeping 95% of its power
As much of a fanboy I am for Nvidia, I just cant spend an extra $3-400 more for a 4080 when the 7900xtx is a better buy/deal and pretty much a better card.
I am no Nvidia fanboy, in fact I have avoided Nvidia since they started overcharging for the 2080 Ti (they are responsible 100% for the cost of video cards being out of touch!) But the 7900XTX is NOT a better card. In pure raster, maybe. But consumption, RT, DLSS, and many other features makes Nvidia overall way better. While I like my 7900XTX, the drivers always never seem to work right (right now, latest, the AMD Radeon settings come on by themselves if your monitor goes on standby).
@@ricsim78 I don’t understand why everyone who writes about DLSS doesn’t mention FSR? as if Nvidia has an upscaler and AMD doesn’t, are you blind? I don’t know who uses PTX because when I watch streamers, they all turn off this PTX even though they have video cards like 4080-4090, why are you writing for this PTX if only 2% of all gamers use it?
The AMD 7900XTX looks great for the money.
As a personal owner of this card it is very solid
GPU=Nvidia
CPU=AMD
@@mfelicio1 No at this time you should go for a full AMD build.
Every other is just stupid.
To buy Nvidia where you need to pay 200€ extra for same performance is bad.
And to go with Intel at this price class yea you gonna get a cooked CPU.
U also need to know that amd has SAM that gives 20fps more
For now (amd)
@@listX_DE same performace? and it is 20€.. not 200.. did you see a different video than we did? as soon as RT and FG come into play, the 4080 is twice as fast
@@jimbean9142 Nah sorry looked it up.
Nvidia lowerd really there GPUs.
Before a 7900xtx was on 1000€ and a ONLY 4080 was at 1200€ so my bad.
that's crasy a super is cheaper than a normal.
@@jimbean9142 But you can't even tell if RT is on or off. I bet the same money as these carts. And FG no you get more Frames out of AMDs but these games use FSR 2.1 so yes it's bad but 3.1 beats it
-turn on RT
-AMD: so long fellas😂
show me ur pc rigless
@@Joniwalkaway
asus tuf f15
4060 140w
Core i7 12700h
32g ram 3200
Laptop's monitor: 1080p 144hz gsync
My other Monitor: 27inch ips 1440p gsync 170hz asus
Getting 70 to 90 fps in new games max setting and RT on with dlss quality and FG in 1440p
one of the best budget gaming laptop(i use it for gaming and civil engineering) and monitor
Planning to get a 4070ti super dekstop with a 4k 120hz sony tv.
So? You really thought i would write that comment with a gtx 750?!
RX 8000 series: But all that is about to change.
@@AlirezA_H.M_G Of course the nvidia fanboy with a mid end pc says that amd sucks
🤷♂
I went with the 4080 S. I would've gotten the 7900XTX but it was $100 more at the time. (Ik shocker right?)
Plus, I get raytracing, better VR support, and top notch rendering support. Which AMD either does not do, or do very well.
Yes. nVidia is the best.
How was it cheaper? Holy shit at 900€? Normal the 4080 was 1200€ 200€ more for even less performance.
@@listX_DE 4080 Super not 4080
@@KelvinKMS No 4080
@@listX_DE4080 Super is cheaper than 4080
Nvidia Fanboy logic:
30 series bad power efficency: nah nobody cares about that!
40 series good power efficency: yeah baby, efficency is the most important thing!
Nvidia throttling some of their gpus by adding far too little vram for what they advertise: nah, just buy another card that is 100% more expensive.
And that DLSS main impact on performance comes from shooting your GPU into the head by turning on RT, which a lot of games still don't use in a noticable way.
Amd fanboys when they are comparing cpus : AMD IS BETTER ITS MORE EFFICIENT COPE INTEL FANS
AMD fanboys when it comes to GPU :
EFFICIENCY DOESNT MATTER AMD IS BETTER COPE NVIDIA FANS
Nvidia demolished amd in this generation admit it.
Yeah, nobody was talking about efficiency last grn when a 500$ cheaper card 6900xt was matching 3090 while consuming 100w less. That was a clear winner, but you can't prove it to dumb nvidia fanboys.
Nvidia Fanboys - Save power with Nvidia! Then drop a Intel Cpu in that same rig pulling 300 watts more than AMD cpu Lmao!
Nvidia Fanboys- dLsS bEtEr tHaN nAtIvE textures still smeared and jagged with shimmering. But go watch their favorite paid off Nvidia shill youtuber cuddling them for dlss.
Nvidia Fanboys- Only Nvidia can raytrace! Even though Native Raster with HDR looks better than Upscaled RT.
AMD- Literally can still RT every game out with my 7900XTX at 1440P and 4K.
AMD- Got frame gen in any game with AFMF 2
AMD- Keeping old Nvidia gpu's still relevant with FSR 3.
AMD- Got way more VRAM for your money in every GPU can load more High res textures and perform better with mods.
AMD- Custom color options that Nvidia's cant compete with
AMD- Adrenaline 1000 times better than Crapforce Ngreedia
AMD- Display port 2.1 while Nvidia still on the old Display port 1.4.
@@SemperValor rewatch the video, pretty sure RT seems too imbalanced here
You have 0 arguments on this comparison so u made up some shit, dont u see have pathetic it is
I have 7900xtx, but I do think it should be at least $200 cheaper than 4080 S.
I'm all about the power consumption and DLSS (including FG)... which is why I went with the 4070 ti Super.
nvidia just simply dominating w 4000 series
@@iikatinggangsengii2471they really aren’t, their 4000 series made so many AMD buyers
No they didnt. AMD has dropped to 12% gpu marketshare. Nvidia keeps gaining customers while AMD struggles to sell their stock.
@@Stance1988 literally how is them struggling to sell stock relevant to what i said
Great video, didn’t drag out anything with useless yapping. Thank you
In the next 2 years, if AMD does not improve RT and FSR closer to Nvidia's, it will be a death sentence for them, because RT is being included in the standard by companies because of its benefits in reducing development time and costs. games, especially the much improved RT performance and the participation of the Lumen solution
RDNA 4 leaks that have been DMCA'd by sony, it states that RT performance is doubled, up to quadrupled in some instances. so dont worry about RT as AMD will catch up, at least to 40 series at a minimum.
True not dead but true. Most people dont play Heavy RT its also not mainstream. The AMD cards can ez use handle RT but not the heavy one and even the heavy can be counted by hand.
@@listX_DE there will be more and more game live avatar that has the RT enabled in game.
@@lethanhtung4972 could be but by then we are at 6090 or some shit
how many console games have rt lol 😂
Aha finally for these vids for the cpu someone is using the r7 7 7800X3D instead of the i9 13900k or the 14900k
On XTX sure over 90°c hotspot
What is the annoying ambient noise that is always on the Starfield benchmark omg
Was looking for this exactly! High end GPUs for 1440p high refresh rate gaming, any chance you can do the 4090 too? Thanks!
4090 is in another league
4090 is in another league dude, if your looking at buying one it means you can afford one, and if you can afford one the go for it, its literally the most powerful gaming gpu on planet earth right now
You might as well wait for the 5090 to drop bro
Yeah but paying 2k for a gpu is nuts
@@codycrabtree3684 Its actually starting from 1.700 you can find a one with 1.7K dollars but yeah. Back in the day when people could buy a high end flagship gpu at only 700 dollars.
I've got a 3080ti and downloaded Lossless scaling the other day... Cyberpunk 2077 everything on ultra RT and Path tracing 75 to 90 fps LOL! It has its glitches graphically, but its amazing! Should keep me going for a generation until AMD or some other company turns up and allows me to get away from Nvidia!
7900 xtx : 350w power draw
4080 s : 230w power draw.
maybe bcuz 4080 hass less vram ? xD nvidia clown
@@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2itah yes, 8 gb more vram somehow increase power draw by a full 120w according to you 💀
@@auritro3903it does LOL nvidia clown fan
@@nope7389 Lmao nvidia clown boy 🤡🤡🤡
Same price for both in my place. From what I see on benchmark. 10fps more with extra 100w gpu power, long term seems 4080 s would be better choice for the power consumption
how come there is a 350w air gpu cooler that keeps the gpu around 60c and no 250w air cpu cooler that can keep ip un der 80c :(
Different processors have different heat dissipation characteristics, same cooler may cool radeon gpus better than nvidia regardless of power use.
Gpus have lot larger surface area which increases cooling efficiency. If you want to make you cpu cooler, get some better thermal paste or drop the frequency and voltage
Tbh, if your cpu is 80c under heavy load, it's completely normal
в видеокартах прямой контакт на кристалл.
Saving up for a new pc, if 50series is a massive leap, I will most likely delay the build till the price somewhat stabilizes. ROG ally is meeting my demands at the moment and with the backlog I can keep being satisfied with it for atleast the next few years.
Why do you keep showing RX 7900XTX as $1000?
Even the most expensive ones don’t usually that price and you can find many for $900
He's including 1 year extra electricity bill. lol
the only 7900xtx worth buying is the Sapphire Nitro, which is close to $1000. The rest have absurd hot spot temps
Asus TUF and Asrock are solid too.
8:30, it is sick that the XTX needs +45% more watts... only for a handful of more fps in standard rasterization. EDIT: 4080 Super clear winner in every aspect anyway, specially in games with RT.
250 W vs 380 W 😂😂😂😂
i dunno mb i play not so much but when i came from undervolted 1080(around 150w) to undervolted 7900xtx(325) it was only 20 kwph difference
@@VanyaYlianov the truth is AMD is using more electricity and is using electricity less efficiently than Nvidia. I know AMD users have a way to make it use somewhere around 320W but the performance remains the same, but Nvidia GPUs can do the same thing so the difference is still large, looking at this difference and the RT performance I know why AMD There is no high-end GPU to compete with RTX 5000 because they simply gave up to Nvidia in the next generation
@@chien.nguyen. i like amds way much more with consumption limit not frequency like nvidia, in gta sa 4 example 1080 was sonsuming only around 90 watts, limited by frequency, but 7900 xtx comes to absolutely insane 3120 mhz at 325 watts, while in mostly games its around 2500, and it increases fps proportionally. so if u could take more from nvidia gpu just by that wouldn u do that?
109 fps vs 150 fps 😂😂😂
show me ur pc rigless
I have both Sapphire 7900xtx and Aorus Master 4090 on separate rigs for my bed room and living room pc and much prefer the AMD since it’s on an AM5 while the Aorus is on an aging x570 running a 5950x.
I like AMD and am rocking a XFX Merc Black edition 7900XTX, but what is there to like more about the 7900XTX than the 4090 (except cost)? 4090 has much better RT, same VRAM, DLSS, and much more performance. It is also much better for content creation. I mean, no one on this planet would prefer a slower card that cannot compete, the "system matching" is BS, too. That 4090 would benefit your better rig. I just did not want to spend $2000 on a video card, only reason I went with the 7900XTX.
Not a single reason to buy the 7900 xtx
24gb ram, smart access memory, better in editing. nah not a single reason. 4080s will DIE in 2 years with its shitty 16 vram.
hopefully amd focuses fixing raytraycing performance on next gen. i would give up on making highend gpus too if i couldnt deliver great performance on a popular setting.
good work for nvidia with this gen!!!!!3000series was outperform by 6000 a 3080 ti in my country was at 1300 euros on my country while a 6900xt was 1000 and way more beastt!!!!NOW we have to give it to nvidia both 7900xtx with 4080 s have almost the same price at raw power both cards are almost same both beast!!!!ray tracing as ti goes is more visible and you can use it and dlss3 i wayy more better than previus......BOTH CARDS the goats but for me this gen nvidia almost wins they improved a lot!!!!
Nvidia is superior on DLSS and RT 3:38
Bruh, the 4080 Super consumes the same as my 3070 Ti, sometimes even AFTER an undervolt 😭
AMD GPUs are so power inefficient they are like 3000 series NVIDIA card's
Best testing games channel
In my country these two have the same price lol
Where are you?
Easy choice then. The only edge 7900XTX has is price. One should be out of his mind to choose it over 4080S with the same price. lol
@@someperson1829 yea and no…
So you get dlss and better rt but only on 3 games that have really rt.
So if you play cyberpunk and love it then go for the 4080s.
But only then.
@@listX_DE bro, same price, better RT and upscale tech, better driver and support, yes the RX has like 5-10% performance and 8 GB Vram but 16GB it just too enough for anh games nowaday, not to mention the 4080S eat less power than the 7900XTX
@@listX_DE He just went through small about of games. There are more broad tests in games, where 4080S wins even in raster. With new drivers 7900XTX lost that edge in raster, now extra VRAM is the only edge it has, that it will not be able to utilize properly anyway. lol
There is literally no reason to pick AMD over Nvidia if the price is the same.
With Nvidia you're losing 5% to 10% raster performance in a few games where AMD cards are favored, but you gain access to DLSS and up to 55% better RT performance.
Let's not forget that with UE5 more than a few games will have some form of RT baked into their lighting system, meaning you can't turn it off completely...that's when you really want an Nvidia card over AMD just for the peace of mind of being able to run them all.
I decided to buy RTX 4080 SUPER
You did the right choice.
very silly decision when we're super close to new generations, shouldve waited 5 more months
@@Definedd If you don't have a PC or your GPU is too old, what do you do to wait 5 more months, no one will do that, buy a new GPU now because in the next 5 months there will only be RTX 5090, RTX 5080 will have to wait at the earliest. At the end of the first quarter of 2025, during that time, if you save a good amount of money, reselling and upgrading the RTX 4080 Super is still very good because it is still new and you do not spend much money on it.
@@Definedd He technically got 5070 but earlier and with 16 gigs of vram instead of 12. But yeah, the golden rule is always buy high end gpu at launch.
@@Definedd your are tripping bro. Every generation had problems on release. Might as well wait for the 8080Ti for 10k resolution. Dumb comment on waiting.
i have got ryzen 7900x with radoen rx 7900 xtx. For me this build is for years. Everything in 1440p.
We are waiting for 4080 ti super 😂
At this point, we're waiting for the 5080 Ti!
@@selohcin There won't be one because 5090 is dual gpu.
@@club4ghz Nvidia can make a dual-die 5070 and call it the 5080 Ti if they want to.
@@club4ghz What does that mean?
@@Xilent1 It means that 5090 will be made of two 5080's. Dual GPU's in the past were rare and built only if they couldn't get much gains over the previous model on a single chip, they are reserved only for one card in the lineup on the highest end just to keep Nvidia on the top of the hill.
They are hotter, more power hungry and cost more to produce, 5090 will be built on three PCB's according to the leaks and probably launch at $2000 if not more.
Man, the AMD cards really chew up tons of power. The NVIDIA GPUs are much more efficient and run cooler. NVIDIA FTW
I wish people would test more multiplayer games. I don’t care about fps in single player games lol
Rt the radeon gets it's ass kicked but i dont use rt anyway so im happy with my purchase of the 7900xtx
At 1000 vs 1200 the XTX could be considered but at 1000 vs 1000 it's a bloodbath
It gets a few more frames per second but man that power consumption.
I got the 7900 xtx the day it was released,, reason, the 4080 was $200 more on its release day. 1000 vs 1200.. I dont really care about RT ..
You bought 1000+ dollars for GPU and still can't turn on ray tracing settings? That must be suck. You said you don't care about RT, but i know deep down you want those relism in lighting.
@@ardi1606 In games like COD and other competitive shooters, ray tracing makes it more diffecult to see enemies and slows down the fps, In games like cyberpunk RT off looks sharper and clearer, and that is what I prefer. It is a personal preference and not worth $200 extra to have to look hard to notice rt on.
not everyond cares about some bullsh*t lightning effect @@ardi1606
@@rodhester2166ray tracing is a gimmick still, if you really want rt, wait until cards come out that better optimize it and games that come out to also better optimize it. That guy in the comments is blowing air up you.
@@ardi1606 You do realise that even the 4080 Super cant do RT well without DLSS ?
Even the 4090 struggels in some Games to keep a decent FPS
Yep. Looks like I'll be pulling the trigger on the 4080 S soon.
4080 super is the clear winner - esp. considering it consumes almost 100w less than the 7900 xtx for similar performance, enough said.
The super came out over a year after the 7900xtx lol. You should compare it the the gpu it came out with, the non super. Else it would be fair to say that the 7900 is better then 3080, which it obviously is but thats not a fair comp
@@thor.halsli The 4080 non super is NOT that much slower than the 7900xtx and 4080super.
Even a 4080 is considerably faster in heavy RAY TRACING than 7900xtx.
@@adlibconstitution1609 I could say the same the other way around, the 7900xtx is NOT that mush slower then the 4080super. And 6 years after ray tracing came it's still isn't worth the bad performance. You’re looking at a maximum of 30fps in games with resolutions ranging from sub-1080p to 1440p
@@thor.halsli Look at Hogwarts Legacy RT the 4080super can hit a very PLAYABLE 100fps in 1440p while the 7900xtx cannot even hit 60fps.
A 4080 can deliver nearly same RT performance as a 4080super which can deliver above 80fps RT in 1440p.
The 7900xtx is way behind than even the 4080 non-super in RT.
@@adlibconstitution1609 7900 xtx does not claim to be a ray tracing card. And why would they, no one uses ray tracing. Nvidia biased a 120fps in 4k when the 4080 released, it failed to deliver that.
Amd pros:
Vram
Price(?)
5% faster
Nvidia pros:
Power
Temps
Software
Better 1% lows
Rt and Fg
4080 best choice
We'll see what the next generation of cards brings but AMD definitely stood well against Nvidia this generation, I'm thrusting into the radeon 8000 series even if it's already been stated they'll focus on it being mid-range cards
4080s wins.
DLSS along with the ability to raytrace is indeed a decent deal. Also the 4080s consumes less power.
Neither cards will be using more than 16GB+VRAM anytime soon.
I am an amd fanboy who last build an intel system back in 2004. Even i dont use amd/ati gpu. That's how bad the gpu situation with amd is. 50%performance hit when in RT mode? Nope, esp when I'm paying a grand for it.
AMD has a bad power problem. That thing requires a nuclear reactor.
NGL in some titles like DayZ ive seen my 7900xtx nitro shoot to 580watts like in certain scenarios when you alt tab back into games
But I mean, with a 1600w psu and +15% on the power limit.
Jeez I run my XTX at around 3000, the low clocks on this one is disturbing
uff red 348W + vs green 260W+/-
The RT and power difference is embarrasing at this level. 4080 super is the clear choice.
Lohnt sich eine 4080 super noch?
nein
Only if you care about RT.
Lieber auf 5080 und 5090 release warten und schauen was Preis/Leistung mehr Sinn dann macht
außer
Raytracing: Nvidia aber erst ab 4080 alles drunter kannste my mind in die tonne werfen
DLSS/FSR: (beides für mich totale unschärfe das es mir weh tut in den augen) Nvidia
Willst einfach die größte Gaming Leistung jetzt und in der Zukunft kauf AMD
@@flamingophone And upscaling quality.
1000€ for a 4080s worth? O wait for a 5000 series gpu?
Wait
In Türkiye, 7900xtx is 1090$, 4080s is 1270$. So my 635$ 7800 xt is the beast at 1440p gaming.
*In Turkey
@@kallnuxlive8095 *In Türkiye
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@@kallnuxlive8095Turkey officially changed its English name to "Türkiye" in June 2022 to better reflect its authentic Turkish spelling and pronunciation. This move aimed to reinforce the country's national identity and distinguish it from the English word "turkey," which refers to the bird. The change was part of a broader effort led by President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan to standardize the use of "Türkiye" internationally in diplomatic and commercial contexts. The United Nations acknowledged this change, and it has since been adopted by various international organizations and media outlets.
Bizim firmalar aç gözlü olduğundan en pahalı biz alıyoruz, ellerinden gelse 500 dolarlık kartı 1000 dolara satışa çıkarırlar.
My gpu is like 10% slower than the 4080s so it's nice to know my card will be outperforming the 7900 xtx in most cases
lol 4080 is a much better card. AMD can't even handle ray tracing. That's the main reason to have a high end card.
im just saying if youre going to use the gpu for a while and wont replace it consider the 4080s notice that with power efficiency nvidia wins and there are still problems with amd graphics cards that uses 500w on overwatch and other fps games that dont use a lot of the gpu while any other nvidia graphics card pulls at least half of that
Couldn't care less about ray tracing, 7900XTX is the better deal.
The funny thing is that most owners of green ones turn off ray tracing themselves
@@Sinteriya Other funny thing is only 15% of gamers have AMD GPU on Steam
@@Sinteriya HAHA it can't really handle it. Or just try it for a moment and then disable it again. It's just like RGB, overhyped. 🤷♀
I chose RTX because Dlss is way ahead,
Dude I saw the ray tracing when buying my GPU, in my understanding it's just glorified light adjustment
The 4080 super might be the only nvidia gpu that is worth vuying compared to its amd counterpart
Lol buying anythingSMD for gaming makes you a chump.
AMD is not meant for.gaming and never has been. AMD is great for 4K Videos and HD TV.
AMD o ly exists in gaming to make people think they have something good.
There is a reason why all games on PC are done with Intel and Nvidia components
I can't help but feel AMD really failed this gen at the high end... their products aren't bad, they just chug back so much power to keep up.
Kinda like what Intel does with CPU's 😅
since rtx radeon cant keep up anymore
but 7900xt/xtx are the only radeon worth buying imo, trust me
@@iikatinggangsengii2471 I've got the 7900XTX... 420W TDP and can't reach 4090 perf.. 😅
@AxleLotl You expected 4090 performance from something that's literally cheaper than the 4080?
@thebeast12333 reading comprehension /10
Since I stated that AMD failed the high end and we were talking about power draw. My 7900XTX uses 90% of the 4090 TDP. It's a shame that it maxes out at about 70% the performance in most titles.
In Australia, the cheapest 7800xtx Vs the cheapest 4080s is about 200 USD, how much is rt worth? Price conversion for cheapest Vs cheapest is 920usd Vs 1120usd, and this is after both have dropped down roughly 150 usd
Get the 4080s.
At the low/midrange end, AMD wins.
At the highend, heres a comparison:
7900xtx: Gaming, FSR, RT bad.
4080S: Gaming, DLSS, Creator tools, Workstation, CUDA, Rasterization 1-5% worse, RT great, PT great.
At the highend you shouldnt mind an extra 200 usd for more uses and features.
Why is the amd card using so much more vram?
because nvdia has a vram compression tecnology
@@olocinzoppasso why we lyin?
Because it’s able too
That's allocated VRAM, not actually used VRAM.
With 24GB 7900XTX was like : i let you win.... For now
amd is totally washed with RT ON xd
Everyone is sitting here laughing at the few times that the 7900xtx had drops in performance, and tbh even if it was consistently 100 watts more, it would still be a way better deal then a 4090 that’s almost double the price. Because 2000$ minimum for a part that is rivaled by something at least 700$ cheaper not a good deal, no matter how u twist it
So the 4080 Super is a better deal than 7900 XTX right?
NVIDIA being better as always
My choice was for 4080super between these two. Not because the RT performance, but because DLLS 3 (HUGE increase)... And don't tell me about FSR, because it looks ugly.
Rtx 4080 super 👍😍
Does your rig have a cup cooler attached the xtx?
now 7900 xtx can be found for 900 bucks and in my opinion this is the best option
the problem is not the price it self but the almost +50% power used for almost same performance in raster and way less in RT.
@@Vampucio its 100w more yeah but do you want to support nvidia? they are not nice to Fans
Power = AMD
Powerdraw = Nividia
Performance = AMD
VRAM = AMD
only gaming without blur dlss/FSR or raytracing amd wins everytime
If you want to play with blur dlss/FSR and Raytracing buy nvidia
If you watch on your powerdraw than nvidia
@@Vampucio Someone that can afford a 1000 dollar card won't really be bothered by a bit more electricy costs
@@VampucioRT is trash is just some light and mirror
@@SuperHeroKevin. I'm not Mother Teresa. I want to get more for less money. If NVidia gives me dlss + rt for the same money as AMD (but which has a bad FSR and no RT), why should I choose AMD?
The left one is pretty much my build expect I have a GIGABYTE B650I AORUS ULTRA mini-itx motherboard
Nvidia is the king of ray tracing 💪
Yeah yeah, and after you eat the 4 games that really look good what will you do with the RT ? For the *
@@jose121624 Yea RT is not what even most people can see on or off
that thing cant work properly on 4090 LMAO you do realize the video RT is with DLSS BALANCED preset? but he wont ofc disclosure it