Onboard lap with the Martini Racing Porsche 936 driven by Jurgen Barth at Le Mans 1977. www.racing-underground.com "Racing torrents all over the place" ....
Thank you so much for posting this video. Amazing, awesome, fantastic, terrific!!! I was just a kid back in '77, but was already a fan of Le Mans, playing with Le Mans toy cars, etc. I've seen videos, but this is breathtaking, considering the age. Did you notice that the cars being lapped usually keep to their racing line, and I can't see the driver of the 936 complaining...unlike today's spoint F1 drivers!
back in the days when racing cars were real racing cars, no computers onboard, just man and machine, an era lost forever that our kids will never experience, that speed scares me,he is an amazing driver,no doubt.
Thanks for putting this up - lovely wiggle on the exit of Arnage. The closing speed to the 911s looks scary - especially the two overtaking eachother on the approach to Indianapolis. I have took my midget round the Circuit on a parade lap and it seemed really narrow in places. Now the cars are even wider there can't be much room for three abreast if needed.
My favorite version of the Circuit de la Sarthe in terms of layout. Before the Dunlop curve, Tertre Rouge and Mulsanne corner were altered and chicanes installed on the exit of Dunlop curve and on Mulsanne straight, but after the Porsche curves were added. In terms of safety though, let's just say it was lacking...
So it was.This noise recalls me of my 911/S and brings me back of years...of no speed limits times! 936 had basically a stock aircooled turbo 911 engine extr.uptuned and the"family sound "was clearly still there!
Vive le Mans ! The old circuit was ridicoulously fast. I have a friend that told me that the hardest thing with those long straits is not to fall asleep !
@samiurrahmanshah In F1, I'm pretty sure they have launch control, plus they have that overtaking feature where they push a button on the steering wheel that gives the engine a bit more power and lowers the rear wing to creat less downforce. (i may be wrong about the launch control)
It's the german driver Jurgen Barth as mentioned in the video description commenting on his own lap. The last sentence spoken by a commentator is also in german. Greetings from Germany ;)
Think you might find the 2.1 litre 936 here was based on the even older 908 chassis. These vehicles last one at Le Mans 1981 with a 2.65 litre (Updated from a shelved Indianapolis Project) engine.
@terminator363GAMES The two chicanes at Hunaudieres were not the only changes, Maison Blanche and Porsche curves, Ford Chicane, and the section from Dunlop to the esses have changed too since 1967 and before ´32 the north of the track had a totally different layout.
@bere5de The 917 LH (langheck) was clocked doing 390km/h on LeMans in 1971. That one had a 650hp 4,9 litre flat 12 The Can-Am 917-30 had a turbo-charged engine and 1100hp in racetrim in 1973. For qualifying it reportedly had 1500hp. Unofficial reports claim that the 917-30 reached 409km/h in Le Castellet (Paul Ricard) in 1975.
@samiurrahmanshah pit lane speed limiters are ok, here in australia the V8 supercar series, they have speed limiters for in the pit lanes, but i'm pretty sure they have no electronic driving aids. ( one thing is for sure, it will be interesting if the F1 cars switch to turboed 4cyl engines)
@xrayracer1 I can't be too sure about launch control, the way rules are evolving, it's hard to follow. I do remember that they had a type of anti-stall control, which disengaged the clutch whenever the ECU sensed the engine was about to stall. As for these LMPs, I think the only electronic aids are the traction / launch control, oh and pit lane speed limiters. They all work by modulating engine power.
A lower quality version of this is on Porsche's official RUclips channel. Why they don't have anything of the even more successful 917, 962, or even the 956 is beyond me.
How fast did they go on the Mulsane straight then? I know the Group C cars in the 80s were doing over 250 mph!!! But I love this shot of how long the Mulsane was without the chicanes!
What I found almost frightening was the closing speeds with the 911s down the Mulsanne. They might have been doing 160mph+ and he went past them liking they were doing half that
It's scary. You're getting bored and your alertness getting weak. Then you see Mulsanne too late and... BOOM! „Mulsanne” is the last corner on „Les Hunaudières” (wrong named „Mulsanne straight”).
@bere5de You're quite right, but really it does depend on the nature of the track. (The Porsche would have a much higher top speed, but the 21st Century F1 car would be far more agile.) Got to remember that tyre technology has improved quite a bit since 1971 (Porsche 917/30 era), and tyres can be worth many seconds per lap than horsepower and aerodynamics alone.
Yes that's right- but only just! The car was driven carefully to win the race by expert driver/mechanic Barth for the last 2 laps on 5 cylinders. Does anybody know who's narrating this clip? I guess that's Ickx driving...the blue helmut...
The 936 had a top speed of 217 MPH. And the way the lap was filmed (large POV crammed into a small one) which makes the viewsomewhat faster, only adds to the effect that it's at top speed on the Mulsanne. The 917 raced at the beginning of the '70s, so it can't be a 917.
936 in long term engine trim had a 500/550 bhp output - no more - in practise trim they could obv.uptune the turbo engine but these were long term races= equally they had to choose an average aerod. downforce/speed ratio so to have performance on the straight and a still good cornering without excessively stressing the drivers in a 24 hours race= Still impressing 30 years later!
They also brought in a rule that meant any FIA sanctioned event, the straight couldn't be more than something like 1.4 km long, not sure exactly how long it is though.
Shame, I was looking to go there this year. Btw, I think few people watch the race throughout. 1989 was the last year without the chicanes on the Mulsanne straight. Which meant the cars approached 400km/h. Pretty impressive considering it was almost a quarter of a century ago. Wish I had a time machine.
aha so tell me how the honda button was drivin a couple of years ago did 406 in Bonneville I'm sure it was falt out for a long time. It wouldn0t survive 24 hours but it would survive some laps for sure
When you’re passing RSR’s like they’re standing still you know you’re moving quickly.
Outstanding thanks
It's so cute the way the Porsches stick to the "slow lane". Gotta love the snap oversteer and dabs of opposite lock. Nice rhythm.
This car now owned by Dave Morse in CA. It won overall in 1977 driven by Jackie Ixxs and Mass I believe. 1 of 4 cars built.
Thank you so much for posting this video. Amazing, awesome, fantastic, terrific!!!
I was just a kid back in '77, but was already a fan of Le Mans, playing with Le Mans toy cars, etc. I've seen videos, but this is breathtaking, considering the age.
Did you notice that the cars being lapped usually keep to their racing line, and I can't see the driver of the 936 complaining...unlike today's spoint F1 drivers!
My all-time favorite onboard...old LeMans.
back in the days when racing cars were real racing cars, no computers onboard, just man and machine, an era lost forever that our kids will never experience, that speed scares me,he is an amazing driver,no doubt.
Classic stuff - I wanted to go to Le Mans since I was a kid in the 70s, finally made it to Le Mans in 2005
Thanks for putting this up - lovely wiggle on the exit of Arnage. The closing speed to the 911s looks scary - especially the two overtaking eachother on the approach to Indianapolis. I have took my midget round the Circuit on a parade lap and it seemed really narrow in places. Now the cars are even wider there can't be much room for three abreast if needed.
My favorite version of the Circuit de la Sarthe in terms of layout. Before the Dunlop curve, Tertre Rouge and Mulsanne corner were altered and chicanes installed on the exit of Dunlop curve and on Mulsanne straight, but after the Porsche curves were added. In terms of safety though, let's just say it was lacking...
One of the absolute best videos on you tube....
Wow,thats fast,listen to that sound!I collect all these models, the history and reminder of the sport.
So it was.This noise recalls me of my 911/S and brings me back of years...of no speed limits times!
936 had basically a stock aircooled turbo 911 engine extr.uptuned and the"family sound "was clearly still there!
Vive le Mans !
The old circuit was ridicoulously fast. I have a friend that told me that the hardest thing with those long straits is not to fall asleep !
@samiurrahmanshah In F1, I'm pretty sure they have launch control, plus they have that overtaking feature where they push a button on the steering wheel that gives the engine a bit more power and lowers the rear wing to creat less downforce. (i may be wrong about the launch control)
Passing Carreras like they were parked. Absolute animal.
It's almost unbelievable how brave drivers were in the days before carbon safety cells etc
Barley a seat belt on tube frame
@alphenchick Absolutely...and to keep 911s/930s that are going all out moving aside to let you go by at almost twice their speed, is pretty amazing.
It's the german driver Jurgen Barth as mentioned in the video description commenting on his own lap. The last sentence spoken by a commentator is also in german.
Greetings from Germany ;)
Nice, love the 936 - great car...
That's awesome!! I'd like to see Porsches again kicking some ass at LeMans!!
Incredible video!! Thx for sharing.
What an amazing track the good old Le Mans!
@GTXMAN
Yes, I am.
The Porsche 936 only had up to 620hp, but there were cars with over 1000hp (Porsche 917 for example) and top speeds up to 400 km/h
Think you might find the 2.1 litre 936 here was based on the even older 908 chassis.
These vehicles last one at Le Mans 1981 with a 2.65 litre (Updated from a shelved Indianapolis Project) engine.
How do you dislike this video ?
acelerate video... no it's original
I enjoy this hot lap a little too much!What a sweet engine sound. Martini and Rossi...yeah.
@terminator363GAMES
The two chicanes at Hunaudieres were not the only changes, Maison Blanche and Porsche curves, Ford Chicane, and the section from Dunlop to the esses have changed too since 1967 and before ´32 the north of the track had a totally different layout.
@bere5de
The 917 LH (langheck) was clocked doing 390km/h on LeMans in 1971. That one had a 650hp 4,9 litre flat 12
The Can-Am 917-30 had a turbo-charged engine and 1100hp in racetrim in 1973. For qualifying it reportedly had 1500hp. Unofficial reports claim that the 917-30 reached 409km/h in Le Castellet (Paul Ricard) in 1975.
@poralentierno He was passing Porsche 911 Carrera RSRs. Basically 800-900 HP 936 vs. 300-400 HP 911 RSRs.
some serious skills involved in this
The Mulsanne straight without chicanes they reached speeds over 400 km/h (250 mph). The chicanes were built in 1990.
The great Jurgen Barth, Porsche legend tested every car from the 917 on-wards as well
@JUMPMAN23MCM He has passed also 934 RSR (~480 hp) and 935 turbo (~560-590hp) Porsches, while the lightweight 936 has "only" 540hp.
@samiurrahmanshah pit lane speed limiters are ok, here in australia the V8 supercar series, they have speed limiters for in the pit lanes, but i'm pretty sure they have no electronic driving aids. ( one thing is for sure, it will be interesting if the F1 cars switch to turboed 4cyl engines)
what a beautiful sound
@xrayracer1 I can't be too sure about launch control, the way rules are evolving, it's hard to follow. I do remember that they had a type of anti-stall control, which disengaged the clutch whenever the ECU sensed the engine was about to stall. As for these LMPs, I think the only electronic aids are the traction / launch control, oh and pit lane speed limiters. They all work by modulating engine power.
A lower quality version of this is on Porsche's official RUclips channel. Why they don't have anything of the even more successful 917, 962, or even the 956 is beyond me.
The LMP1 cars would be doing around 220-230. Group C cars were hitting nearly 250 in the late 1980s.
Mega. Brilliant, Fantastic. Three words that suit the video.
How fast did they go on the Mulsane straight then? I know the Group C cars in the 80s were doing over 250 mph!!! But I love this shot of how long the Mulsane was without the chicanes!
God i love these porsche racing engines from the old days
I love the sound of this Porsche 936 and to see the differences in the 1977 track and now.Just to tell u im a ferrari guy
Jürgen Barth!... A living legend!
He is Johann Mass (if I spell it right). I still have the 8mm film(!)
jürgen barth won the race in 1977 with the porsche936 and when you see the clip you understand why !!! great driver
What I found almost frightening was the closing speeds with the 911s down the Mulsanne. They might have been doing 160mph+ and he went past them liking they were doing half that
The speed going down the Mulsanne is just epic.
Fun fact: modern cars are just as fast and they have to take the extra chicanes
And they did this at night to. Absolutely amazing!
Awe inspiring video,thanks for posting.
A lap of that track in the rain or nightime or both?
No thanks!
The Mulsanne w/o chicanes is almost boring because of its length. This is amazing footage.
Until you're the one behind the wheel that is...
It's scary. You're getting bored and your alertness getting weak. Then you see Mulsanne too late and... BOOM!
„Mulsanne” is the last corner on „Les Hunaudières” (wrong named „Mulsanne straight”).
Listen to that engine, music to my ears!
@BaronBoy100 He actually mentions this himself in the video: "Oh, das war etwas weit..."="Oh, I am running a little wide..." at 2:44.
very impressive how fast he overtakes the "normal" Porsches which actually are very fast too
1. Source please for that 390 km/h 2. 917-30 never raced at Le Mans.
@bere5de
You're quite right, but really it does depend on the nature of the track. (The Porsche would have a much higher top speed, but the 21st Century F1 car would be far more agile.)
Got to remember that tyre technology has improved quite a bit since 1971 (Porsche 917/30 era), and tyres can be worth many seconds per lap than horsepower and aerodynamics alone.
Martini!
One minute and ten seconds at full throttle, God bless auto racing.
YWNA
USA
when were the two chicanes that broke up the muslan straight added?
2:42 = amazing control. And balls.
at 0:48 he's breaking the sound barrier? hehehehehehe
I miss the old Le Mans circuit without the chincanes on the big straight...
GREAT VIDEO!
Yes that's right- but only just! The car was driven carefully to win the race by expert driver/mechanic Barth for the last 2 laps on 5 cylinders. Does anybody know who's narrating this clip? I guess that's Ickx driving...the blue helmut...
absolute classic
The 936 had a top speed of 217 MPH. And the way the lap was filmed (large POV crammed into a small one) which makes the viewsomewhat faster, only adds to the effect that it's at top speed on the Mulsanne.
The 917 raced at the beginning of the '70s, so it can't be a 917.
936 in long term engine trim had a 500/550 bhp output - no more -
in practise trim they could obv.uptune the turbo engine but these were long term races=
equally they had to choose an average aerod. downforce/speed ratio so to have performance on the straight and a still good cornering without excessively stressing the drivers in a 24 hours race=
Still impressing 30 years later!
it looks like the video in the museum by main entrance of the track
Agreed. They need to enter the LM-P1 class (or whatever it'll be called next)
verry good video!! i like that car!
They also brought in a rule that meant any FIA sanctioned event, the straight couldn't be more than something like 1.4 km long, not sure exactly how long it is though.
Old Hunaudières = 6 km or 3,7 miles...
Best Track of the world with the Nordschleife, but Le Mans' legend is still alive.
Weren't some of these cars capable of 230+mph on Mullsanne(sic) before the chicanes were put in?
Beautiful.
Steht doch alles in der Beschreibung! ;)
btw. klasse Video!
wow very good quality
All cars for the people !
@ :50, thats a nice straight line to do a little big of race! ;)
Awesome dudes...Thanks. .
amazing how fast these trees fly by.
recorded on film man pure retro
to me these were the real race cars! no traction control, no abs, no stability control, no bullshit!!!
Shame, I was looking to go there this year.
Btw, I think few people watch the race throughout.
1989 was the last year without the chicanes on the Mulsanne straight. Which meant the cars approached 400km/h. Pretty impressive considering it was almost a quarter of a century ago. Wish I had a time machine.
@xrayracer1 Actually, in modern racers, I think there's only traction control that's allowed.
wow there were 2 dunlops....and nice to see old de la sarthe...Musanne was long eh? :)
and i love Porsche chicanes though...
What a ride.WOOOOHOOOOO.
wow imagine the G force going into a corner with this car... freaking bad ass car from hell.. thumbs up.
Anybody know what year they added the chicanes to the Mulsanne straight and why?
the monster of all cockpit open cars of porsche.
guys... this keeps going for 24 hours......... i got respect for the drivers
is that film sped up? Because if it isn't that is as fast as an F1 car. Not quite, but close anyway.
Very awesome!
between the 1989 and the 1990 race if im not mistaken.
No chicanes and the old run through the Dunlop bridge. So fast.
Jurgen told me he hit 230 mph on the main straight in Qualifying and the early part of the race
Amazing. Mulsanne straight without chicane !
What happens when someone decides to drift at that speed? Would the tyres rip off? and you'll be left with just the rotor? bump!
And it looks like a perfect day to take the porsche out for a spin too!
also ich persönlich denke das er das nach dem rennen kommentiert hat
gabs damals schon sowas :D das gibts ja jetzt in dtm ...
aha so tell me how the honda button was drivin a couple of years ago did 406 in Bonneville I'm sure it was falt out for a long time. It wouldn0t survive 24 hours but it would survive some laps for sure
It looks real easy from here but it sure isn't like a Sunday drive in the park!
Those 911 Porsches look like they are stuck in 1st gear! Great to see the old Mulsanne straight before the chicanes were added.
nice video
need for the speeeeeed...dammn..incredible..
super Video !