Matthew Milliner on Native American Spirituality, Eastern Icons and Sophiology
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- Опубликовано: 13 окт 2024
- The humorous and scintillating Dr. Milliner of Wheaton College, author of "The Everlasting People: G.K. Chesterton and the First Nations" and "Mother of the Lamb: The Story of a Global Icon", in a wide-ranging conversation that points us to a way forward for the Church.
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Will be watching this later this weekend for sure.
this is easily one of the best convos to date, and absolutely hope to see more happen on this front!
1:15:14 mind blown. I was reading a story of heroic princesses to my child last year, and came across a tale of Wohpe, a FirstNations goddess, who appeared from mist and gifted the first peace pipe. She taught that communion with creation is paramount. It was so obviously a Sophianic vision that I was bowled over at the beauty of it all.
Thank you for the wonderful conversation. I'm looking forward to part II.
Such a rich conversation - Dr. Milliner is fantastic!
Loved the conversation! Very interesting stuff
as someone who works in branding and graphic design, this need for good visuals is the bees knees! and at the same time the root of many of our problems with theology, because the images inform our catechesis, instead of the other way around.
Snowing here this morning on the Kennebec.... Animals are taken care of - time to indulge in some Regeneration.
I have to say (to my shame) when I saw. "...Native American..." I nearly moved on... but I am SO glad I didn't!
I live in (and was born in) Tuscaloosa, Alabama (a place usually only associated - for some reason - with college football?)
The name means "Black Warrior". I am pretty sure the indigenous tribes that were once here were removed with the "trail of tears". It is a sad legacy if one only stops to ponder it... I hope and pray that the best of their spirit remains with us somehow...
Then there was the mention of "Deer Theology"(!) - and St. Eustace. That was an education I would have missed apart from this discussion... seeing and hearing Christ speak from the antlers...
Somehow it triggered a memory of reading up on morphogenetic fields associated with antler regeneration (and how they regenerate according to an invisible pattern or field even after they have been broken or cut off) - All (if pondered and appreciated) give hints at the wondrous presence of Christ our creator in all things...
*I just love the way you guys riff free form with your imaginations. I hear the Spirit singing - and blowing "where it listeth" Thank you all!*
The tribes survive. And are passing on their spiritualities to their kids, the inheritors of them, to the best of their ability.
One of the tribes of that region is Creek . They are a pretty big tribe. One of the latest popular Hulu series is “ Reservation Dogs”, which is a sort of cultural semi- comedy about a group of contemporary youth set in the Creek region ( after removal of course) of what is now Oklahoma. It’s a completely native production. I could tell the tribe because they use Creek words in the dialogue often, such as “Mvto”…”thank you.” It’s a delight to see media creativity by natives and it certainly struck chords with my family.
For young children, there are several excellent native-made productions, such as “ Molly of Denali” and “ Spirit Rangers”.
The tribes in general are not only working on living traditions,but also have tribal citizens who are doctors, lawyers, professors, business people, activists,members of Congress,etc. One recent astronaut is Chickasaw.
So…they are still here and proud.
@@c.m.cordero1772 Thanks for this!
@@MrHwaynefair just thought it might cheer you up.
Could someone help me dig deeper into an (offhand) comment made in this discussion?
I've searched the transcript but cannot seem to locate where someone said (I think it was Mike?) something about Dorothy Sayers and "the other" (seeming to mean something beyond the usual Christians theological categories - e.g. the presence of Christ within the native American - before any "Christians" came to evangelize?) Is there some place or phrase that might help me to locate this within Sayers' body of work?
Thanks!
Can you tell me the rough minutes or minutes? I remember mentioning Dorothy Sayers, but forget the context.
@@regenerationmikesauterandm7748 Going to try and locate it - thanks Mike!
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Found it! (though the automated transcript is probably not quite accurate):
1:07:29
Chesterton or Dorothy stairs on as any title and it's Gonna Fly there totally totally Dorothy Sayers in the
1:07:37
mystical notion of something else
@@MrHwaynefair Thanks. I listened to it and I'm sorry I talk so fast. Matthew was saying how he could publish research on topics that might seem, to some, outside of what might normally get approved because his university, (Wheaton College) is the repository of the C.S. Lewis Papers; Dorothy Sayers and Chesterton too. My point was that he could even be bolder with LOTS of ideas, as long as he linked it to one of them. This was more of a comment on academic culture, I'm sorry to say, than anything illuminating on my part. I hope that helps. Mike
@@regenerationmikesauterandm7748 Thanks Mike - taking your time to respond is *much* appreciated!
I’m sorry…but it bothers me when people speak of “ Native American Spirituality ( singular) ,Culture ( singular), or Thought ( singular).
There are thousands of tribes ,all with their own cultures and faith systems. How can anyone speak of them all in one breath?
Would anyone refer to “ Asian spirituality”? Wouldn’t that depend on where you are? Would Saudi Arabia be the same as Japan?
How about “ Black Spirituality” ( if we’re talking about ethnicity)? Wouldn’t that depend on whether you are in the American South,the Caribbean, sub-Saharan Africa, Ethiopia,etc?
Plus, there are quite a few native writers who are inculturated tribal citizens writing on many subjects and there has been for a long time.
You don’t even need to depend on non-native writers.
You will get a more honest look at the complexity of native life then.
Some also get pretty honest about relationships with non-native academics. Lol.
In the community here there are people who are following and learning traditional faith ways ( some recovering from Christianity …in most cases Catholic…because they truly do not connect with it and it was brought in by brutal oppression…this is rapidly growing group) and some Christians ( the rapidly shrinking group…because of the growth of the other group). What non- native people think is not taken into consideration. And the language, culture,and traditions are being healed and revived. It’s not perfect,but it’s encouraging. Is Christianity compatible with this? I don’t know. My children have all rejected it and are going to bring up my grandchildren ( one and counting) with as little contact with it as possible. As my daughter says “ It is darkness for us”. She is among those of the first generation in several generations to give their children completely native names and refuse to have them baptized.
Just a side thought…In my opinion, Powwows are not indicative of general native culture. They do have some native roots,but are mainly a development from the old Wild West Shows and came into their own between the world wars. They partake in origin of Plains native cultures and are therefore narrow. You won’t learn much about Pacific Northwest cultures there,for instance. They are fun,( my kids have danced them and my son helps with them as part of his duties on the reservation ) but of limited educational value regarding the vast majority of native cultures,imho. There are none around here that make references to Christianity that I have attended. That likely wouldn’t be too welcome. When some of your relatives have been in the residential schools you can understand that.
Really interesting to hear people outside the community talk about all this.