WE SHOT A $500 BROADHEAD?!
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- Опубликовано: 4 сен 2024
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Just the camera view of the plastic broadheads rotating toward their target was worth the time spent watching. That's the great part of being retired. Fascinating concept put to trial. Thanks for all the effort you spent putting this video together.
7:18 "We just want to fly a stick Barnet"
Needs to be on a shirt!
I like it!
Mike Tyson would be proud of that punch zach!!!🤣🤣🤣
This is why I love watching THP, Ranch Fairy and now Rocket Man. Such awesome research and I so grateful for them sharing it with us! I love learning the intricacies of hunting and arrow flight. Like Troy, I am also still picking my brain up off the floor. Great work guys! Looking forward to seeing more videos on how this develops and makes its way into the market. If you need someone(s) to test newer models, count me in!
I would have never guessed Zach for a trigger puncher he smoked that trigger 😳 😂
you think....
Just a little...
Holy Crap!
The only thing I'd be worried about, is not having the kinetic drive with the shaft out of line to effectively punch through an animal. Love this concept though, can't wait to see where it goes in the future! Best of luck.
Thank god- the only thing I was concerned about.
They don’t make swords on ball joints…
🧐
Zach is me in every class I’ve ever taken.
Amen!
Me too in Physics class when I fell asleep and my gum fell out of my mouth and stuck right between the pages of my Physics book which was inconveniently open on the floor!
Yes!
When are y’all gonna do a video on the new Hunting Public bow? Excited to hear a little bit of the backstory
I want to thank rocket man for including technical side bars for nerds like me.
The new head should be named "The Twizzler" in honor of RF's contribution. :)
Lol! Somehow The Pork Chopter name also came up! I hope you enjoyed the video :)
Long hair guy, don’t know his name, I apologize, slammed his trigger about 2 inches from the release. That’s going to cause erratic flight. I can understand the guys probably were a bit excited like shooting a big buck.
For this concept ? You cannot argue against physics and science. That tan Bear bow I believe ? Blew thru that block target. Not sure how worn it is, but that’s penetration !
Sharpen em up and put one on that Elite bow @ 15-20 yards on a pig over a feeder !!!
This is exciting stuff and possibly the future of broadheads and arrow building.
Go stand in the corner Zach ...
... stay after class today and write 500 times on the chalkboard, " I shall N0T punch. !
Why can't we put the gimble in the insert so we can use our 50 dollar broadheads instead of buying all new broadheads?
I haven’t bow hunted in 40 years, but found myself getting excited as the video progressed. Seems like this could be a big change in the sport as far as accuracy and killing ability. Well done supplying great content and video!
$500?!!! Does it drag the deer out afterwards?!!
yes. Skin, debone and process it as well.
It would have to,to be worth $500.00 buck per broadhead. It better have a electornic tracker on it also so you never lose one.
Rocket man is the guy who never changed from his former 4 year old self, mom why? Dad why? Why why why why? Personalities like this is why we are so advanced as humans.👍
I tore up every toy I ever got as a kid and my 5 older brother's toys too. Fortunately I had understanding parents (but not understanding brothers!)
Zack is like, "whatever, I just kill stuff."
And Zach precedes to punch the trigger and ruin the experiment 🤦♂️ dang block fever 😏
I was wondering if I was the only that noticed , that wasn’t just a trigger punch he hammered that trigger from inches away lol
The perfect visualization that you can only shoot as good as you can shoot. You can engineer the most perfect projectile possible, but without proper shooting habits it doesn’t matter how good the broadhead/arrow/bow is.
It would be nice if they explained what went so wrong with the arrow flight in the last shot 35:01
It looks like it was a bare shaft
Dude definitely didn't tune his bow or correct his form. He's grabbing the grip with too much palm. The broadhead has seven degrees of movement but he's pushing it beyond that with his setup until it reached a critical point, where it creates lift and ultimately until it stalls.
Also his trigger finger came in from the parking lot like it was running for it's life
@@YoureSoVane i was gonna say, dude punched the trigger like mike tyson on too much pre workout
At 35:03 you can see it’s a bare shaft
@@bigz5262 so.... if a bow is tuned properly, and arrows are spined correctly for the draw weight and draw length, you should be able to shoot a bare shaft straight out to at least 40 yards..... fletchings are stabilization not steering
When the man's talking I could see Zacks mind wander off to stalking a buck on the ground
Just ordered my new Bear adapt HTP collaborative..can't wait for the fall to send one down wind...
Razorback 3….4…..,5 142 grain one inch hole but blades were fragile. Still took many many deer
That was exactly my first thoughts. I loved the Razorback 5 broadheads. Very disappointed when they stopped making them, I still have a couple for souvenirs with the box. The selling point was the shaft continued spinning at impact and prevented arrow torque. Who knew they were using rocket science....lol
How would the gimballed broadhead be affected by a side wind/gust?
I'd like to see you guys test the Ethics spinning inserts with fixed broadheads and see how that affects flight, impact, and penetration.
According to all the technical papers I've gone through, the broadhead should turn slightly into the side wind and reduce the overall lateral (cross-wind) movement of the arrow. That's what the theory says anyway! The purpose of these prototypes is to test situations such as wind, penetration performance, ease of use. Thanks for your question!
@@DigtoDef sorry I asked this question a few days ago but haven't gotten a response. well I did get 1 response but someone deleted the comment. But why can't the gimble be attached to the insert and not the broadhead?
@@stevenperue1528 The gimbal essentially takes the place of the center of gravity (cg). The center of pressure (cp) of the broadhead needs to be behind the pivot point for stability. If you put the gimbal in the insert, the cp will be ahead of the pivot point and the broadhead will immediately flop over to the maximum travel limit and wind plane severely. I talk a lot about stability factors in the previous THP video that came out just before this one.
I purposely shoot a seven eights inch cut broadhead because where I hunt here in North Carolina,,it’s thick woods and more often than not your arrow will touch something before it gets to the deer ,,back in the 70 s I learned this the hard way ,,I also learned that a four blade broad head cuts the length of a tracking job way down If compared to a two or three blade ,,,these two lessons is something I would never change from ,,fifty years of deer hunting and I am still holding on to these two things.
I appreciate all the thought experiments. Keep up the good work guys.
Dude just hit the next level of arrow tech!
Cave man: bent stick with cord make arrow fly! Add butt feather at back of arrow, make arrow fly straight!
Modern man: I will add a gimble to the point of my arrows with a 7° rate of pivot.. now there's no foc. No need for tail feathers and my arrows fly straighter. Eureka!
Absolutely loved this video. Cannot wait to watch the progress of this technology! Great job Rocket Man!!
That is some cool stuff. Looks like I've got some more reading to do!
That slow mo really showed that Trigger punch Zach!
@thehuntingpublic?
I get it, but I feel like this is solving a problem that isn’t really a problem. I can stack two blade single bevels right with my field points out to 50 yards. (Which is further than I would take a shot at a deer). With proper dynamic spine and bow tuning. However, I can see this being beneficial to using super huge turkey broadheads.
But there a ton of guys that struggle with tuning or form that could benifit
My thoughts too. At the end of the day we’re talking about a slightly improved technology cavemen used to kill lions 2000 years ago.
@@zachschultz3534 Exactly!
Yes, and 500+ fps crossbows that can't really be tuned as well as a bow.
I do believe prototype pricing is much different then market prices. A one off of anything is more expensive then when it is mass produced.
Exactly, cnc anything in small quantities is $$$
I love these talks with rf and the rocket man. Please keep them coming
This is unbelievable it’s going to be game changing and can’t wait for it to hit the market!
It’s will make it so much easier for guys to shoot heavier fixed blades and arrows. I have a tough time tuning for the bigger heavy heads. Hope this pans out
at 22:00 minutes you see Zach already punched out on this! lol
And yet, I'd hang with that dude any time :)
@@DigtoDef i agree they all seem genuine
Now for another edition of "Mind Blown" with the Rocket Man indeed
We're looking at the next big thing in broadheads. If they work all the kinks out and put it into an affordable deal this might really take off, no pun intended
if it doesn't gut, process and wrap the deer after going through the deer it's not worth it.
The whole conversation was fascinating though. Pretty heavy content, but I loved it. A longer video worth watching.
Prototypes cost a lot, in mass production, the cost will come way down. Especially since other broadhead companies are seeing this technology for the first time.
@@hollisfarmshoney Absolutely. They just made it seem like a production item in the thumbnail. This was an awesome video.
@@timkaldahl thanks, correct they are only prototypes, hence the cost. Getting it all down to 100 grain and 1.25" 3 blade single bevel was the goal for this stage.
you all did amazing in this video! great job and keep up the good work!!!!!
Love these kinda vids keep em coming fellers
I’d rather spend the extra time bare shaft tuning my bow. My fixed blades fly and hit exactly where my field points do.
I love all the content and love the longer videos! Keep up the great work!
Rocket man has blown my mind. So much to something so simple. Crazy simple thou
I had to watch this video twice now to make sure I understand it.. this is freaking awesome. The concept of f.oc. is irrelevant.. I can not wait to learn more! Great video. Can't wait to see where this goes
Many years ago razor back 5 had the same concept. The blades spun freely around the feral. They were devastating on deer. I still have them.
A dumbed down version of this is basically take a pencil and poke it through a piece of paper.. the point is your broadheads point and the pencil is you're arrow.. and the paper is your blades. If this works the options are crazy. You can shot any blades you want. 2 3 4 single bevel Double bevel 1inch 2in.. I love the idea and I really hope it works out! This is not the same as a spinning insert.. on a spinning insert does the point spin with the arrow or with the broadheads?.. it's different ..
Yes it's different. On a spinning insert the point spins with the blades. Here the point is fixed to the shaft via a steel post and the blades gimbal around the post on an integral ball machined into the post. Good eye!
I love this nerdy archery stuff.
NAP was on to something a few years back when they were producing the RazorBack... Loved that head! Great content guys, can't wait to see further testing.
Yep the razorback. I was thinking....this has kinda already been done....and it ain't around anymore...
The RazorBack line was a major part of the NAP lineup for years, and some of the best flight (but worst blades) I've had was with a set of 5 blade RazorBacks my uncle had bought new and never used.
@@dougkraemer8327 I would use them today if I could buy them. Okay, probably not since I switched to cutthroats lol. I definitely wouldn’t of wasted years and hundreds of dollars trying the other mechanicals though.
That is so cool. Basically taking the oscillation out of the arrow. But what I missed (might have been in the other video) is what about the rotation of the arrow due to it's helical or offset fletching, and drag from the kind and number of fletches?
I think it should spin normally with the field point, independent of blade, assuming your ball/bearing is well lubed.
@@feyrband Correct that's is the plan, or spin the broadhead slowly CCW, while the shaft spins clockwise - that will keep all the threads tight.
@@DigtoDef have you considered blades specifically for penetration/burrowing? Something that's like a spiral wind spinner + auger bit. I don't see how you would resharpen it easily, though the focus could be more on the front edge like most drill bits.
I REALLY want to see that broadhead get to the market. The research shows that this could absolutely revolutionize the sport. More successful and humane shots makes harvesting animals a Game Changer.
This is awesome concept! We need part 2 for eggheads like me. Does this affect FPS and kinetic energy? It would seem to me maybe more drag in flight? Idk please part 2!!
Noted! I plan to keep pushing the envelope and build more prototypes, maybe with a resin printer for the ferrules intead of CNC at this stage. In the meantime watch Troy's Ranch Fairy Channel for updates!
@@darrelbarnette3216 great invention Sir. I hope you make big bucks on it pun intended! On a side note in the video y’all gave ranch ferry coffee? That seems like a bad idea. I don’t know the guy but he seems full of energy! 😂
@@JustJoshinSC It kicked in later around right around pig stickin' time!
Zach always rubbing or itching something in these type of interviews/conversations haha
Take a look at guided bomb units (GBUs) they use this same gimbal mount as part of the guidance package.
A guided arrow? Hmmm, never thought about using a gimbaled head to guide an arrow... (not!) But, it's great technology, and technically it works... In the market place may be another matter, likely too hard to explain the benefits. But when did that ever stop the dreamers :)
Where can I send you a new bi fold door..
My engineering brain was waiting for the word “moment” to come up.
I love new technology. Been using Mechanical BH for 25 years. In my book, if it has moving parts it's mechanical. Who gives a darn how it is described if it works? Before going to press on some of those broadheads, might want to consider the fact that they could be defined as barbed as the blades don't fold back. Good Luck with this one Rocketman, you can figure it out😉.
Joel Turner shuddered a little after Zack's shot 😂
I can't wait for the final version of broadhead, I have been looking for a broadhead like that
They used to make ones similar to these called razorbacks where the blades rotated arroynd the ferrule. They came in 5 or 6 blade.
Make one in 75gr and I'll be interested
Damn it ! Now I have to Duct Tape a U Joint to the front of my arrow! Lol
Lol! Yep :)
My brain says all that extra wiggle wobble in front of the arrow will throw the back of the arrow out of rhythm causing the arrow to spend it energy trying to correct itself because it's no longer in a fixed state but I'm no engineer or scientist lol!!! They look awesome!!!!!
When Zach shot that super under spined arrow you can see the broadhead trying to track straight. I love the rocket man stuff! Please don't edit out the technical stuff, even if some people think its boring.
I wish I could just hit the like button like 1000 times. He's going to change bow hunting. I'm excited.
Will all due thanks to Troy and Aaron for allowing me to appear with them on their channels. What great guys!
@@DigtoDef absolutely are man. I don't see how anyone could be anything but grateful to both of you 🙏. We all appreciate all your hard work for our sport!
Zach the trigger puncher lol ..great video
Guys your killing me ready for some more videos!! I only watch tv when y’all drop a video! I need a break from work I’ve already watched all your videos!
How about a bearing insert to spin any point installed.
One thing I noted here is this guy seems to think that crossbow bolts will have a ton of energy at long distances but that's simply not the case as compared to a compound bow arrow. The shorter, lighter, crossbows bolts lose energey must faster than a compund bow arrow does at longer distances. Its a matter of physics.
Can't wait for John Lusk From Lusk Archery Adventures to test these heads
I thought my mind was blown from the last video...WOW!!! Go Rocketman!!
It's replies like that that keep me motivated. Well..., the "you're full of shit" comments also help :)
great stuff THP keep it coming
This is not the same as a spinning insert.. on a spinning insert does the point spin with the arrow or with the broadheads?.. it's different. Troy has worked with ethics for yrs.. can't wait to see where this goes
I understand moments. Great video!
Isn’t this known as the Archers paradox?
I want to hear the discussion around what happened with that last shot. Don't end the video there! #lefthanging
Interesting concept. I'm shocked at how many commented that don't understand that the chisel point of the head does not move. It is only the blades that are free to move and spin about the shaft of the head. If anything this should keep the arrow tracking straighter in the animal as the blades can, to a degree, move around bone if the contact is at a shallow angle.
RF and RM. This is a testing channel. Time to nut up and spend some cash on a proper slow-motion camera. I would love a test of mech, fixed, spinning insert, and the gamble head shot from an out of tune bow with slow-motion footage from 15 to 50 yards.....if ever an image was worth 1000 words.
Your work is fantastic and pushing positive change in an industry, and with a population, that needs it.
Thanks! You nailed it - the nose is attached to the shaft via a rigid steel post - so it should fly as well as a field point and the shaft should hit in line too. The blades should just pivot around the bone as needed. We have a high speed camera, but so far it's been used for a lot of close in work - thanks for your constructive comments!
With Zach's hunting style it might be difficult to keep the broadhead locked forward until the shot.
So cool! I can’t wait to see what comes next with this concept!
you don't want to shoot larger broadheads unless hunting turkey. For deer, i think larger bh just means longer blood trail because its painful and problaby wont penetrete like a mechanical doesn't.
The whole time I was wondering about the impact when the broadhead would get cocked sideways. I like the idea of the fixed point. I bet the gimbeled blade would allow one side to hit a bone then move away from the bone while the arrow continues to penetrate straight.
Another idea I have had is that you guys need to come out with a large diamond bench stone with about a 5-10 degree angle in a ridge down the middle so your average dummy can get sharper 3 blade heads. Sharpening 3 blade heads on a flat stone gets a really coarse angle and really won't shave hair. If your average dummy had a slightly beveled stone and kept the point running down the peak of the bevel he could get a much sharper blade angle.
What about the difference between carbin and aluminum arrows
I've seen mentioned a arrow insert that spins similar to this / Is that a thing ? Just saw a little bit about them and don't know who makes them, are they a gimmick, etc.
Seasoned bow killers…..remember Razorback 5’s ?
A blast from the past! Thanks for the reference.
Rocky Mountain Razors
This is where Troy is supposed to say "more to come on that hahaha". I like it even if it doesn't work out innovation and testing only benefit us.
i boonked one a long time ago with a flapper hunting in the freezing rain.....gotta love moving parts
I shoot 100 yards with fix blades that group good, still don't see why you'd need this. Just tune your bow right
You don't have to watch...sounds like you got a great setup and don't care to learn more about arrow flight, which is perfectly fine. No need to bring your negativity attitude on here.
Interesting concept to apply to the arrow world. Accuracy improved, but the arrow shaft still needs to be flying straight for penetration, or the shaft might actually slap the animal. More testing to overcome... Rocket man's wife must be a tolerant soul. Ha..
This seems like an ego stroking session to me...but what do I know!
@@Tbowie13
I see it as high end physics and science compacting into archery.
We might be looking @ a form of the future to arrow lethality.
Arrow spine will become more critical so the arrow stiffens up straight faster to fly point first which then equals better penetration.
It’s going to simply be synchronized arrow building, no different then we do today but with different triggers to obtain the same directness to arrow and point being synched.
I like the concept and believe maybe after my days are over, this will become reality.
I thought the same thing. Once penetration occurs the angle of the shaft could greatly reduce the momentum. Regardless, this is pretty cool stuff!
@@fasmola Good points, all of them. I always thought this could be the path to guided arrows in the future 🙂
With his concept you would probably want extreme FOC because you can clearly see the shafts impacting on a bad angle even though the point is dead on track where he first aimed it. His concept would allow 20-30% FOC easily because the heavy wide heads and the short stiff shafts with no fletching. I imagine with current materials and his whirligig broadheads you might be able to push 35% FOC with a 300 grain head and 600 grain total weight.
So I just watched rocketman revolutionize the entire broadhead industry. WOW! Hope they actually make it to market.
I like that bohning is on board with him
Got a running start at the punch on that trigger!! Pros ha can’t even fire a release properly
That was the most interesting archery video I’ve ever seen. I look forward to the advancement these broadheads pioneer.
So what was it that happened to Zack's shot?
Hello Cory, how are you doing today, hope you’re fine and safe from the Virus??
Watching zach punch the shit out of that release at the end in slow motion hurt my soul.
A big broadhead makes the kill zone smaller if it can't penetrate hard bone. If you had a single bevel with lots of mass that could punch through heavy bone, then the larger cutting diameter actually makes the kill zone bigger. So that's like the rocket man was saying: you don't want to make the broadhead any bigger than you can still get a full pass through. But you want as big a cutting diameter as you can still shoot through heavy bone and the kill zone.
Very intrigued by all this, but I’ve got two questions: 1) What was the weight of that head that Aaron shot? And 2) What in earth happened on that last shot???? 😳
I would probably do the same! TARGET PANIC? Knowing You're shooting a 500 buck broad head? 😂😂😂😂
If I had to guess the shaft turned more than the gimbal would allow it to so it was no longer moving freely so once it hit that wall it made it plane aggressively but I also have no idea what I'm talking about
My guess is the head didn't pop back off the shaft so it never rotated and then just planed off like a badly tuned broadhead would do. That's a downside I could see of this design. A mechanical broadhead takes energy to open upon impact and with this design you are first relying on it to come off of that "loaded" gasket or whatever is up front which is also taking energy. If it doesn't come unlocked then you're just shooting a normal fixed head.
@@vg-zy4rb Correct...
So short story long a rotating head ? Free spinning head ??? ( edit after watching more of the video ) not only free spinning but also on a gimble to allow the head to drive the arrow
That BEAR ADAPT though 😯
I was wondering if anyone else caught that lol I've been eyeballing and pausing THP videos since that boar hunt trying to catch the new bow
Awesome! I see that changing the industry for sure. I felt like I was back in physics class. Zach.....LOL
Holy trigger punch 😂
This has me intrigued beyond belief. What stinks is the process is so high tech it often takes years to get to market. Any timeline with Bohning? Probably have to keep that info hush hush but a 2" fixed blade that groups that well is an absolute game changer. I wonder if the penetration question could still be answered with heavier mass weight. I think itd penetrate just fine as is since a 1.5" or 2" fixed blade will create less drag on the shaft itself.
No timeline. I don't feel like the concept is ready for primetime, and this may not be the implementation that should make it to market. I hope it does make it in some form though!
The things I’ve learned because of you guys
I get that whole concept as the arrow flys through the air toward a target , but because the broad-head is on a gimble once the broad head hits the animal will the rest of the arrow ‘wag’ like the tail on a dog ? Loosing penetration ? Forgive the analogy !
And I thought I punched the trigger, Zach almost broke the trigger off! Watch 35:04