I agree, in America this company would be sued out of existence. Obviously letting a predator like that work at their company is encouraging horrible behavior by management. And it's so funny that she says he's stealing from the company. I would say the company deserves it, but he doesn't deserve the money!
@@Ben-Askins You're right, it's not "OK" and I want to add she's not "FINE". I really hope she went the legal route here, and gets some support. Being "sold" at work then groped and being told you're the problem and sent off with a pay cut... That's too much at once, the boyfriend supporting her is good obviously, but it might not be enough. 😢
Please sue the company so doesn't happen to another woman and the company learns that this culture is unacceptable. Trauma doesn't just go away..it scars!
Yes. Sadly it sours your perception of everyone that comes afterwards. It's always at the back of your mind... Will it happen again with the next person.
He's not a boss; he's a pimp. I would have left as soon as I heard that he was selling me. Even if he was joking at the time, it was still embarrassing. Yeesh, the craziest story yet.
The fact that she felt she had to put up with it is such a scathing commentary on society and its roll in our upbringing. There's a reason so many young people are walking away from these jobs.
My sister got fired for reporting massive sexual harassment at work, the other girls told her to be quiet or she would be fired, from a STATE JOB, in Florida. She refused to be quiet and got fired and black listed, and yes, this was just in the last few months. Her boss, did/does ANYTHING he wants and gets away with it by threatening termination. And the gals keep quiet. She cannot get another job, becasue she filed the Sexual Harassment complaint.
I have too I was 16 at the time then at 19 in NHS my male boss back then found out I was in early pregnancy and I had a bleed at work was then sent home whilst waiting for my 11 week early dating scan my boss rang me and told me that's "in my my best interest of my job to terminate my pregnancy". Yep you you read that right I said no my daughter was fine she is now 15 years old.
This woman should have lawyers stalking her. Her boss tried to pimp her out without her knowledge or consent. We call that trafficking on this side of the pond and an easy case if you have 5 others willing to tell their story. That man could get someone attacked! What company would want this disaster in their organization? Does his father own the company? I don’t understand this.
This is horrific. I beg the lady to report this further, not just for an apology or for compensation but to stop it happening to someone who doesn't think they have a choice but to do what has been 'offered'. That manager deserves jail time!
Absolutely relate to the "remove the one being victimised as it's more convenient" angle companies take to deal with formal complaints and grievances. In my second job, it ended up in basically a complete reset of staff (several firings and rehirings of senior people), complete management overhaul, intervention from regional managers and then myself leaving them high and dry after I was essentially victim-blamed and shamed to my face by a regional manager for reporting an in-house manager threatening me in text messages. It never works in the long run for a business to dismiss serious allegations like this and remove the "inconvenient" victim.
I'm sorry. This lady needs a spine and some self-respect. She needs to know when to get angry. She is like a lamb amongst wolves. She is perhaps too immature and unaware to be in the workforce.
Unfortunately it all too often does work, well enough to become the standard practice. I survived one round of being 'the problem' when I followed the policy they made me sign and reported bullying and harassment. Took over 2 years but I got transferred and got stuck in to my new job. They had some personnel change over and I burnt out trying to fill in for 3 people during peak periods, so they closed ranks to push me out again. When I ended up in hospital I decided it wasn't worth it and left. Sadly I'm still struggling with the health results
The 1960s called, and want this manager back! All that was missing was a slap on her behind and "good job honey, wink wink". Six sexual harassment complaints, and still not considered worthy by HR? The fraud this guy was committing, also not surprising, he's shady all the way around. One thing I will say to the caller, when the other six (including the other woman yet to file complaint) get together, push for the company getting a huge fine. Money hurts them, it seems the only thing that will make them take it seriously so no other women have to go through it. Otherwise, it will be 'business as usual' for them. If awarded compensation, you can always donate it to a women's centre that supports SA victims.
I know the girl in this video, she’s a fantastic lady and it breaks my heart she’s going through this. She is so passionate about anything she is involved in and it’s just sad that this has even happened to her. I hope she sues them for everything and gets some form of justice ❤️
Ben, you were so kind and genuine when you asked how she was doing. Thank you for acknowledging the trauma. It would be a terrifying experience to be trafficked by your boss. He is an absolute sociopathic criminal, and his company is guilty as well.
This is absolutely one of the most horrific work stories I've ever heard. She needs to make sure she has multiple copies of evidence for everything that happened and take these guys to the cleaners.
In the USA she would go straight to the labor board and file a complaint, then get a personal attorney for damages. I hope she can take these same steps.
I would call the police and have him charged with soliciting. I don't remember if he was the owner or a manager, but if the company stood behind him that company would be ruined. Especially if the other women made charges as well. Document! Document! Document!!! Everything!!!
@@jeannetruman4380 it's so very easy to pronounce what you would do in that situation, after the fact and as an observer. However, the burden of proof here in the UK and elsewhere is ALWAYS on the victim. And it's always easy to say what you would do in that situation, AFTER the fact. But when you are the person, and it's happening to you in real time, you're in shock, you can't believe this is happening, and the last thing you think of is recording it for evidence.
Damn I always hear about the awesome health care in UK.. This the first I've heard about the horrible working condition for women.. We have some serious shit going on in the US; and some of it is just shameful as hell: but I guess every country has its own big flaws..
@nancyriggs8170 Europeans have far more worker rights than the US. You guys don't even get paid maternity. In my country parents get a year and can share it between them.
@@tcritt You're very right.. they only give 12wks maturity leave.. But every business is different, some give less.. And that 12 weeks starts the minute you take leave; so if your doctor takes you off work a few weeks before delivery, you'll only get 9 wks after..
Sadly, you need to be with a company for two years to claim constructive dismissal (in most cases). If they burn through female employees rapidly, they’re never at any risk of constructive dismissal claims.
she is not ok, you can hear it in her voice. Well, us ladies can hear it. But like always, bluff and bluster, because showing weakness perpetuates the victimisation. Just make sure she get's that psychological support. She was put in an impossible situation which resulted in her being sexually harassed by customers/clients. And when she sought support, she was punished. She needs help, and she needs to know it's not ok to be treated like that just because 'it happens across the board in all industries'. That doesn't make it ok, all it does is prove yet again, WE CHOOSE THE BEAR. And an 'apology' is not enough. It's obvious this is a business that needs it's comeuppance as the culture is lacking substance of value.
Would it not be possible to report this to the Police? Especially if the company's own HR have dismissed it out of hand. This guy is a predator and needs to be stopped before someone gets seriously hurt, whether physically or mentally. I have no words for the idiots who tried to take up the offer as they are just as bad, if not worse, in my opinion. Poor lass
@@Ben-Askins Not in my experience. I've witnessed a HR department keep a manager who's been reported several times for bully. And seen another protect an employee who'd been reported SEVERAL TIMES for sexual harrassment, who had previous from his past job. They eventually asked him to leave instead of firing and now he's in prison. But for years they kept defending him, promoting him and giving him access to data he should NEVER have had access to.
@@Ben-AskinsIn my experience here in the US, HR is there to protect the company at all costs. They do NOT help the employees. They keep the problem bosses and fire anyone who files a complaint. I've learned the hard way to never go to HR. I was physically threatened by a very toxic boss about 20 years ago, so stupid me filed a complaint with HR. Guess who was fired 2 days later? Hint - not the boss.
If you were touched without consent, you were assaulted. Instead of going to HR you need to go the police. You're not going to get an apology, they don't care. Get a lawyer, get the other girls together, sue them and press charges. MAKE them sorry!
is it not illegal? This has to be against the law?? File suit. It is irresponsible not to press charges, and puts new employees at serious risk. Shame on you Ben for not being more aggressive on getting legal action underway on this victim's behalf or at least recommending that course of action.
Sadly, money. Not everyone can afford to suit. Laws are different from country to country. Also, the biggest thing is that he says that he is going to help her. So not all details can be given as it can damage the filing.
@@silkvelvet2616 Yes I agree that is a valid point, she could have surreptitiously recorded some conversations perhaps, but too late now I suppose. I have to think that there will be some innocent young girl seriously damaged in the future it this guy is not stopped
It wasn’t overt enough. He was using implications, eye movements and hand movements to make the implication. That is very difficult to prove, even if you recorded the voices it would be difficult to prove an implication when he’s not saying it aloud. Even if she could, going to court over sexual harassment is not an easy or fun time for the victim, particularly in the UK (especially England, where this woman sounds like she is from). Even for the sexual harassment from the client, unless it’s on camera it would also be difficult, especially as there were other servers involved who I would assume would support the perpetrator and not the victim. For most women, most of the time, getting out of the situation and moving on is the most important thing.
HR will most probably do anything to fire her as fast as possible, while trying to shovel the shit under the carpet as fast as they can. HR is hired to protect the interests of the company.
Absolutely disgusting! This one rattled me incredibly! It's such a strange thing how much employees can take and not act. At my last job, 19 people quit just in the last few months. I was punched, kicked, cussed at, screamed at with and without profanities, I was told I'm worthless and so much more for trying to do my job and for reporting issues. I was told It's not my job to keep reporting but to shut up and focus on one thing only. My job and pretend like I don't see other people getting the same treatment. 7 years! I was there for that long.. unbelievable
She should get monetary compensation because that is the only way the corporation will get rid of him and then he will be stopped from sexually abusing women. Unfortunately, an apology in this situation is just not good enough to stop a perpetrator.
Back in the day...mid 70s ..I worked for a well known travel agency and we had a deputy manager in his mid 60s who had a severe case of WHS (wandering hands syndrome) I complained to the senior woman and she saiď he's like that with everyone. ...she suggested I speaķ to the manager, he was very nice about it and said he would speak to this deputy yet again about his behaviour, but that it wasn't a sackable offense, and in any case the guy was only a couple of years off retirement.. and said I'd just have to avoid him as much as possible.. Back then sexual harassment, nudie calendars, verbal inuedos / banter was par for the course, and was a "can't you take a joke" "just having a laugh" mentality, so the fact that my boss took my complaint seriously and didn't dismiss it out of hand, was actually very good.. Things have come a long way since then...
Bullies also get away with this as well. The last place I worked, the IT manager bullied 50 people below him, but he had been there over 20 years, so they kept him and let the victims go... I left after 7 weeks even though I was far more qualified than him.
That boss should be criminally charged with pimping her out. This really should be considered a criminal act. Also, it's time to lawyer up and sue them.
A few years ago, I knew a lady sales rep for an international car parts company. One day her Manager told her to wear shorter skirts and higher heels, it will help generate more sales!
They got her behind the bar and surrounded her, Jesus Christ that must have been terrifying ! Name and shame, the manager, the company and the damn restaurant .
In this day and age you would think men or women cannot get away with such a thing. However, her HR department is despicable in allowing this predator to continue his harassment.
My advice to everyone - make sure you have 2 things - the confidence to challenge inappropriate behavior and an emergency fund. If things get really bad and you have a bit of cash, you don't have to be stuck in an unpleasant / unsafe environment. Most of us put up with idiots because we need the money and they know it.
This is so out of order he needs to go and HR needs to go as well. Ben please can you put out some contacts details would love to share a story with you.
I’m in the US, so I do not know the laws in others countries, but in the US, you can bring charges through the government and the company cannot punish you without repercussions.
This is genuinely shocking! From personal experience, most 'private' organisations HR are basically useless... Really think you should move on to another company ASAP!
So this dude has basically tried to pimp out his subordinate, HR says 🤷🏽♀️ we’re not gonna do anything to him but hey you can get a pay cut 😡😡😡😡😡 ABSOLUTELY NOT! I hope she can go to the authorities with this. INFURIATING!
I’ve said it for years: HR is not there for your interests, they exist for the interests of the company. They aren’t toothless; they just would rather not use them. They protect the company, not you. This is another prime example of that.
If something, like this happened to a female coworker I would walk in with HR with them, yeah they could fire me and I'd sue them. and record it, luckily here its a 1 party record laws.
This sounds criminal. And HR just covering it up... The "boss" needs to be put on some watch list and remove from any position of power. And the company that allowed this and turned the blind. Speachless.
Name and shame the companies and the boss! These people will continue to exploit employees like this until they have a big spotlight on them and actually get in trouble with the authorities. The boss was basically pimping her and I'm pretty sure that is illegal. Does the press over there out companies like this? A little story about this corruption in the news and a class action lawsuit might be in order.
I don't know how different the sexual harrassment laws are in the UK from those in the United States. These are usually taken very seriously on our side of the Atlantic. I know of a couple people in the company I work for who were fired for sexual harrassment and were accused of far less than in this story. With that said, there is still a "good ole boys" network over here as well, and I am sure that a large number of sexual harrassment incidents go unreported as well. But to have six complaints about one individual in the company and have nothing being done. Over here in the US, that would open the company up to tremendous liability, especially with the witnesses that saw it happen. It just boggles my mind what this lady had to go through in her short time with this company.
I really wish there was some discussion of legal recourse. It makes me sick to think that this has already happened 6 times and will continue to happen. Is there no way she can take this further? This is so far beyond a simple apology. It also really highlights the need to have an emergency fund to allow you to quit without another job lined up. Having to stay in that environment for even another day is appalling. And I can't believe they have the gall to demand that she pay for her company car to get valet-cleaned!!
It’s not funny. It’s actually dangerous to be put in that position. There’s no job worth being treated like this. If you don’t want to come forward and file, quit.
This is in no way as horrible as what she went through but I worked in the medical field and a man who ended up being our boss by default(not a people person) was told by an older grumpy employee that I wore too much perfume and it bothered her allergies ( she would cough if I walked in room) and I never wore perfume just deodorant. He came and found me and said he had to SMELL ME to make sure I wasn't overscented. I told him I only had deodorant on and wasn't going to not wear it so he leaned in and SMELLED ME and deemed me ok. Ugh! He would not have done that to a man. So inappropriate. I was young and let it go but wish I hadn't.
I admire her fiancé's restraint. My wife worked for a large financial institution and was subjected to low level bullying by her line manager - complaints about her work, belittling her in the office etc etc. So, I said: Do you want me to break his legs? Answer: NO! Okay, I said, let the 'office gossip' know that I am considering breaking his legs and they will let this information slip (3rd party credibility). As he had met me previously, he thought the worst and curtailed his bullying. 1yr later, his boss was sacked for sexual harassment and he was demoted because he was complicit by not reporting what he knew.
This is why you need to advocate for single party consent laws in your state if you live in the States. Single party consent means you can video or record a conversation with just your knowledge 😉. I actually believe the states that dont allow it obviously have issues like this and worse in their offices, and that's why they try so hard to keep transparency at bay.
I disbelieve this. I'm American so perhaps there is a different restaurant culture in The UK but this is beyond. I retired at 38 years old from the restaurant industry as a chef. I've done it all in South Louisiana, East Texas, Virginia, Southern California and Washington State. There are only 3 types of sales rep. Food, booze, gear. Not sex. That wouldn't fly far.
HR. If they don't take action, employment attorney. Report. ASAP: he will also try that with the next pretty woman, and probably has done it in the past. I wonder if others in your cohort have been subjected to the same behavior.
We need the names of these companies that treat employees like garbage.
It would be shorter to list the good ones. Even then, it varies by manager.
Cousin had this for a big company that deals with f1 teams. Pretty much tried to pimp her out to supercar ceos to get the deals
Their should be an independent body to deal with sexualising harassment
Red Bull for one
Ask your union, and other unions. I guarantee they have a list.
Girl. You are NOT fine.
You ARE allowed to speak and we NEED to know what company this is.
Take legal action. Please.
I’d sue them into oblivion, name and shame the business and the a-hole who started it all! 🤬
We aren't as litigious in the UK and it's not hugely common or as easy.
I agree, in America this company would be sued out of existence. Obviously letting a predator like that work at their company is encouraging horrible behavior by management.
And it's so funny that she says he's stealing from the company. I would say the company deserves it, but he doesn't deserve the money!
@@UsandEveryoneWeKnow I have sued and won twice. UK here. Always record all interactions with people above you in the workplace.
Aint sexual hatrsment a crime ?@@UsandEveryoneWeKnow
Thank you Ben for offering to help her find a new job and with support with what happened too. What an awful situation.
It is the bare minimum that I can do
@@Ben-Askins You're right, it's not "OK" and I want to add she's not "FINE".
I really hope she went the legal route here, and gets some support. Being "sold" at work then groped and being told you're the problem and sent off with a pay cut... That's too much at once, the boyfriend supporting her is good obviously, but it might not be enough. 😢
Please sue the company so doesn't happen to another woman and the company learns that this culture is unacceptable. Trauma doesn't just go away..it scars!
Yes. Sadly it sours your perception of everyone that comes afterwards. It's always at the back of your mind... Will it happen again with the next person.
He's not a boss; he's a pimp. I would have left as soon as I heard that he was selling me. Even if he was joking at the time, it was still embarrassing. Yeesh, the craziest story yet.
Agreed, it is a shocker!
Pen voice recorder at the minimum.
The fact that she felt she had to put up with it is such a scathing commentary on society and its roll in our upbringing. There's a reason so many young people are walking away from these jobs.
I don't blame them one bit.
Girl, get a lawyer and even go to the police,these people are the plague! Sending you bag of love and good vibes ❤
I'm pretty sure trying to be a pimp is illegal.
My sister got fired for reporting massive sexual harassment at work, the other girls told her to be quiet or she would be fired, from a STATE JOB, in Florida. She refused to be quiet and got fired and black listed, and yes, this was just in the last few months. Her boss, did/does ANYTHING he wants and gets away with it by threatening termination. And the gals keep quiet. She cannot get another job, becasue she filed the Sexual Harassment complaint.
This is terrible. Can she sue?
@@Mari-pz8qt I bet you could for loss of income and loss of reputation. Can you imagine how desperate that company would be to settle? $$$$
Go to the state OIG
Can she file a civil lawsuit against him and the company?
Go to the media.
I've been through sexual harassment in the workplace. It's awful.
I am so sorry to hear that, hope you are ok
@Marcus-Paul whats so funny?
I have too I was 16 at the time then at 19 in NHS my male boss back then found out I was in early pregnancy and I had a bleed at work was then sent home whilst waiting for my 11 week early dating scan my boss rang me and told me that's "in my my best interest of my job to terminate my pregnancy". Yep you you read that right I said no my daughter was fine she is now 15 years old.
@shireenesherry2872 - Oh my. I'm sorry...
This is one of the most shocking stories yet, she needs to get out of there ASAP!
Unfortunately it isn’t as shocking as you think. Talk to women and you will see how not shocking as much as it should be.
@@melissacoelho8413When I was younger, just about every job I ever had, this went on. There were three or four that didn't.
This woman should have lawyers stalking her. Her boss tried to pimp her out without her knowledge or consent. We call that trafficking on this side of the pond and an easy case if you have 5 others willing to tell their story. That man could get someone attacked! What company would want this disaster in their organization? Does his father own the company? I don’t understand this.
He’s a predator and this company is terrible. Completely unsafe environment.
This is horrific. I beg the lady to report this further, not just for an apology or for compensation but to stop it happening to someone who doesn't think they have a choice but to do what has been 'offered'. That manager deserves jail time!
Absolutely relate to the "remove the one being victimised as it's more convenient" angle companies take to deal with formal complaints and grievances. In my second job, it ended up in basically a complete reset of staff (several firings and rehirings of senior people), complete management overhaul, intervention from regional managers and then myself leaving them high and dry after I was essentially victim-blamed and shamed to my face by a regional manager for reporting an in-house manager threatening me in text messages. It never works in the long run for a business to dismiss serious allegations like this and remove the "inconvenient" victim.
I'm sorry. This lady needs a spine and some self-respect. She needs to know when to get angry. She is like a lamb amongst wolves. She is perhaps too immature and unaware to be in the workforce.
I’m so sorry that happened to you! They should be ashamed of themselves!
Unfortunately it all too often does work, well enough to become the standard practice. I survived one round of being 'the problem' when I followed the policy they made me sign and reported bullying and harassment. Took over 2 years but I got transferred and got stuck in to my new job. They had some personnel change over and I burnt out trying to fill in for 3 people during peak periods, so they closed ranks to push me out again. When I ended up in hospital I decided it wasn't worth it and left. Sadly I'm still struggling with the health results
The 1960s called, and want this manager back! All that was missing was a slap on her behind and "good job honey, wink wink".
Six sexual harassment complaints, and still not considered worthy by HR? The fraud this guy was committing, also not surprising, he's shady all the way around.
One thing I will say to the caller, when the other six (including the other woman yet to file complaint) get together, push for the company getting a huge fine. Money hurts them, it seems the only thing that will make them take it seriously so no other women have to go through it. Otherwise, it will be 'business as usual' for them. If awarded compensation, you can always donate it to a women's centre that supports SA victims.
This sounds like she needs to report this to whatever your countries equivalent to worksafe is.
I know the girl in this video, she’s a fantastic lady and it breaks my heart she’s going through this. She is so passionate about anything she is involved in and it’s just sad that this has even happened to her. I hope she sues them for everything and gets some form of justice ❤️
NO YOU DON’T LOL
@@RedshirtAfficionado I mean I do …..
@@RedshirtAfficionadoI’m the lady in the video, I can assure you this person does know me
@@millieoldroyd8821 oh okay I just thought he was making it up for attention
Ben, you were so kind and genuine when you asked how she was doing. Thank you for acknowledging the trauma. It would be a terrifying experience to be trafficked by your boss. He is an absolute sociopathic criminal, and his company is guilty as well.
Should have told them your boss will be the one doing the favors.
This is absolutely one of the most horrific work stories I've ever heard. She needs to make sure she has multiple copies of evidence for everything that happened and take these guys to the cleaners.
He is not untouchable . This needs reporting to the police please
Right? The more people tell themselves and each other that people are "untouchable", they actually become it because no one does anything about it.
In the USA she would go straight to the labor board and file a complaint, then get a personal attorney for damages. I hope she can take these same steps.
I would call the police and have him charged with soliciting. I don't remember if he was the owner or a manager, but if the company stood behind him that company would be ruined. Especially if the other women made charges as well. Document! Document! Document!!! Everything!!!
@@jeannetruman4380 it's so very easy to pronounce what you would do in that situation, after the fact and as an observer. However, the burden of proof here in the UK and elsewhere is ALWAYS on the victim. And it's always easy to say what you would do in that situation, AFTER the fact. But when you are the person, and it's happening to you in real time, you're in shock, you can't believe this is happening, and the last thing you think of is recording it for evidence.
Damn I always hear about the awesome health care in UK.. This the first I've heard about the horrible working condition for women.. We have some serious shit going on in the US; and some of it is just shameful as hell: but I guess every country has its own big flaws..
@nancyriggs8170 Europeans have far more worker rights than the US. You guys don't even get paid maternity. In my country parents get a year and can share it between them.
@@tcritt You're very right.. they only give 12wks maturity leave.. But every business is different, some give less.. And that 12 weeks starts the minute you take leave; so if your doctor takes you off work a few weeks before delivery, you'll only get 9 wks after..
Surely grounds for discrimination and constructive dismissal
Sadly, you need to be with a company for two years to claim constructive dismissal (in most cases). If they burn through female employees rapidly, they’re never at any risk of constructive dismissal claims.
This sounds like the type of boss I put up with in the 80's, sad that it still happens.
Until boys are educated that no means NO and their toxic behaviour is no longer excused with the 'boys will be boys' mantra, it WILL keep happening.
she is not ok, you can hear it in her voice. Well, us ladies can hear it. But like always, bluff and bluster, because showing weakness perpetuates the victimisation. Just make sure she get's that psychological support. She was put in an impossible situation which resulted in her being sexually harassed by customers/clients. And when she sought support, she was punished. She needs help, and she needs to know it's not ok to be treated like that just because 'it happens across the board in all industries'. That doesn't make it ok, all it does is prove yet again, WE CHOOSE THE BEAR. And an 'apology' is not enough. It's obvious this is a business that needs it's comeuppance as the culture is lacking substance of value.
Would it not be possible to report this to the Police? Especially if the company's own HR have dismissed it out of hand. This guy is a predator and needs to be stopped before someone gets seriously hurt, whether physically or mentally. I have no words for the idiots who tried to take up the offer as they are just as bad, if not worse, in my opinion. Poor lass
Unfortunately, crass and unprofessional behavior is not illegal. Maybe it is in the UK, in the US, no.
I have learned that employees can never rely on HR for anything. It is ALWAYS the employees' fault. 🙄
Remember HR works for the company not the employees
Their job is to protect the company from behaviour like this, they failed her and the company enormously
@@Ben-Askins Not in my experience. I've witnessed a HR department keep a manager who's been reported several times for bully. And seen another protect an employee who'd been reported SEVERAL TIMES for sexual harrassment, who had previous from his past job. They eventually asked him to leave instead of firing and now he's in prison. But for years they kept defending him, promoting him and giving him access to data he should NEVER have had access to.
@@Ben-AskinsIn my experience here in the US, HR is there to protect the company at all costs. They do NOT help the employees. They keep the problem bosses and fire anyone who files a complaint. I've learned the hard way to never go to HR.
I was physically threatened by a very toxic boss about 20 years ago, so stupid me filed a complaint with HR. Guess who was fired 2 days later? Hint - not the boss.
If you were touched without consent, you were assaulted. Instead of going to HR you need to go the police. You're not going to get an apology, they don't care. Get a lawyer, get the other girls together, sue them and press charges. MAKE them sorry!
is it not illegal? This has to be against the law?? File suit. It is irresponsible not to press charges, and puts new employees at serious risk. Shame on you Ben for not being more aggressive on getting legal action underway on this victim's behalf or at least recommending that course of action.
Sadly, money. Not everyone can afford to suit. Laws are different from country to country. Also, the biggest thing is that he says that he is going to help her. So not all details can be given as it can damage the filing.
unless you have incontrovertible proof, it's dismissed as she said he said, with the burden of proof on the victim. Always.
@@silkvelvet2616 Yes I agree that is a valid point, she could have surreptitiously recorded some conversations perhaps, but too late now I suppose. I have to think that there will be some innocent young girl seriously damaged in the future it this guy is not stopped
It wasn’t overt enough. He was using implications, eye movements and hand movements to make the implication. That is very difficult to prove, even if you recorded the voices it would be difficult to prove an implication when he’s not saying it aloud. Even if she could, going to court over sexual harassment is not an easy or fun time for the victim, particularly in the UK (especially England, where this woman sounds like she is from). Even for the sexual harassment from the client, unless it’s on camera it would also be difficult, especially as there were other servers involved who I would assume would support the perpetrator and not the victim. For most women, most of the time, getting out of the situation and moving on is the most important thing.
Ben's not her lawyer or parent.
She needs to go to the police too and get a good lawyer to sue the company.
This is a country that did not pursue the “ groomers” in the new immigrant population targeting young disadvantaged white girls. Not surprised at all.
What is the HR dept for? Aren't they supposed to protect their employees? They should rename their HR dept Predator Protection Office.
Agreed, they have let her down so so much
HR is not your friend, they are there to protect the company!
HR will most probably do anything to fire her as fast as possible, while trying to shovel the shit under the carpet as fast as they can. HR is hired to protect the interests of the company.
Unless they're prepared to hand you a _very_ large settlement check, I'd be shouting this story from the rooftops. 6 times? I'm absolutely gobsmacked.
Thanks for talking about such a taboo issue so that other might feel ok about coming out about their own experiences. Much bravery!
Absolutely disgusting! This one rattled me incredibly! It's such a strange thing how much employees can take and not act.
At my last job, 19 people quit just in the last few months.
I was punched, kicked, cussed at, screamed at with and without profanities, I was told I'm worthless and so much more for trying to do my job and for reporting issues. I was told It's not my job to keep reporting but to shut up and focus on one thing only. My job and pretend like I don't see other people getting the same treatment.
7 years! I was there for that long.. unbelievable
Don't chase an apology if it's not going to be sincere. go for the comp instead.
She should get monetary compensation because that is the only way the corporation will get rid of him and then he will be stopped from sexually abusing women. Unfortunately, an apology in this situation is just not good enough to stop a perpetrator.
Back in the day...mid 70s ..I worked for a well known travel agency and we had a deputy manager in his mid 60s who had a severe case of WHS (wandering hands syndrome) I complained to the senior woman and she saiď he's like that with everyone. ...she suggested I speaķ to the manager, he was very nice about it and said he would speak to this deputy yet again about his behaviour, but that it wasn't a sackable offense, and in any case the guy was only a couple of years off retirement.. and said I'd just have to avoid him as much as possible..
Back then sexual harassment, nudie calendars, verbal inuedos / banter was par for the course, and was a "can't you take a joke" "just having a laugh" mentality, so the fact that my boss took my complaint seriously and didn't dismiss it out of hand, was actually very good..
Things have come a long way since then...
Bullies also get away with this as well.
The last place I worked, the IT manager bullied 50 people below him, but he had been there over 20 years, so they kept him and let the victims go... I left after 7 weeks even though I was far more qualified than him.
Glassdoor review would be interesting....take all documentation related to this and get legal advice.
Good advice
That boss should be criminally charged with pimping her out. This really should be considered a criminal act. Also, it's time to lawyer up and sue them.
A few years ago, I knew a lady sales rep for an international car parts company. One day her Manager told her to wear shorter skirts and higher heels, it will help generate more sales!
Could this not have been reported to the police once HR was useless about it?
I’d love if they named and shamed these companies!
"Not even warning worthy." That's when I walk out and go straight to both law enforcement AND the media with a nice, juicy story that names names.
that sounds criminal. she needs sue the company and bring that bar owner up on charges
Please sue this company, they need to be stoped
As everyone else has said, this absolutely calls for legal action.
I’m so sorry for what you’ve gone through. Much success in your future career, and may karma come back and slap your former boss hard!
This is sadly just another day in the life of a woman. We need to stop saying "its ok." "Im fine." "I dont want to be a drama queen."
I smell a lawsuit. They need to pay if they are going to learn. It needs to cost them!
They got her behind the bar and surrounded her, Jesus Christ that must have been terrifying !
Name and shame, the manager, the company and the damn restaurant .
She should go to the police and report him for sexual harassment !
Tell that girl to publish this garbage so everyone knows
Can she file a lawsuit for this company?
😮 omg its almost unbelievable! How bad was this!
Right up there for sure
There can’t be that many companies that offer these kind of services… 🤔
This is why this treatment, this criminal, misogynistic behavior continues.
Why are they allowed to stay hidden? You wouldn't allow this in the street, why at work?
In this day and age you would think men or women cannot get away with such a thing. However, her HR department is despicable in allowing this predator to continue his harassment.
And this is why HR should be a government position (third-party) so that companies do not get to dictate how things work there. Absolutely despicable!
My advice to everyone - make sure you have 2 things - the confidence to challenge inappropriate behavior and an emergency fund. If things get really bad and you have a bit of cash, you don't have to be stuck in an unpleasant / unsafe environment. Most of us put up with idiots because we need the money and they know it.
that is disgusting
Agreed, unacceptable
This is so out of order he needs to go and HR needs to go as well. Ben please can you put out some contacts details would love to share a story with you.
Tell pr that they shouldn’t employ pimps and they need to get a clue
Go above hr not acceptable
I’m in the US, so I do not know the laws in others countries, but in the US, you can bring charges through the government and the company cannot punish you without repercussions.
She’s not alright, this will follow her. She needs to seek legal advice and get compensation.
The thing is, people can just come here and say whatever! How do you confirm these statements? Or is this just “trust me bro?”
Name and shame please. Put them out of business
This is genuinely shocking! From personal experience, most 'private' organisations HR are basically useless... Really think you should move on to another company ASAP!
Leave with no notice and go to ACAS to claim constructive dismissal
I hope they’re ready for the lawsuit
So this dude has basically tried to pimp out his subordinate, HR says 🤷🏽♀️ we’re not gonna do anything to him but hey you can get a pay cut 😡😡😡😡😡 ABSOLUTELY NOT! I hope she can go to the authorities with this. INFURIATING!
I’ve said it for years: HR is not there for your interests, they exist for the interests of the company. They aren’t toothless; they just would rather not use them. They protect the company, not you. This is another prime example of that.
If something, like this happened to a female coworker I would walk in with HR with them, yeah they could fire me and I'd sue them. and record it, luckily here its a 1 party record laws.
Three months, less one day.
That's the time limit to initiate a sexual harassment/ discrimination claim in the employment tribunal.
This sounds criminal. And HR just covering it up... The "boss" needs to be put on some watch list and remove from any position of power. And the company that allowed this and turned the blind. Speachless.
How did the guy have so many sexual complaints and nothing was done, legally?
What are the rules in the UK? I the US, HR's response would have led to a visit the DA or State's attorney.
I thought this stuff was only in fiction. It boggles my mind that its a real event. What in the world.
Holy fudge. Such sleazy behavior. Pimping out the female sales reps and cooking the books.
Name and shame the companies and the boss! These people will continue to exploit employees like this until they have a big spotlight on them and actually get in trouble with the authorities. The boss was basically pimping her and I'm pretty sure that is illegal. Does the press over there out companies like this? A little story about this corruption in the news and a class action lawsuit might be in order.
I don't know how different the sexual harrassment laws are in the UK from those in the United States. These are usually taken very seriously on our side of the Atlantic. I know of a couple people in the company I work for who were fired for sexual harrassment and were accused of far less than in this story. With that said, there is still a "good ole boys" network over here as well, and I am sure that a large number of sexual harrassment incidents go unreported as well. But to have six complaints about one individual in the company and have nothing being done. Over here in the US, that would open the company up to tremendous liability, especially with the witnesses that saw it happen. It just boggles my mind what this lady had to go through in her short time with this company.
I really wish there was some discussion of legal recourse. It makes me sick to think that this has already happened 6 times and will continue to happen. Is there no way she can take this further? This is so far beyond a simple apology.
It also really highlights the need to have an emergency fund to allow you to quit without another job lined up. Having to stay in that environment for even another day is appalling. And I can't believe they have the gall to demand that she pay for her company car to get valet-cleaned!!
It’s not funny. It’s actually dangerous to be put in that position. There’s no job worth being treated like this. If you don’t want to come forward and file, quit.
That's not sexual harassment, that's attempted sex trafficking, surely!
This is in no way as horrible as what she went through but I worked in the medical field and a man who ended up being our boss by default(not a people person) was told by an older grumpy employee that I wore too much perfume and it bothered her allergies ( she would cough if I walked in room) and I never wore perfume just deodorant. He came and found me and said he had to SMELL ME to make sure I wasn't overscented. I told him I only had deodorant on and wasn't going to not wear it so he leaned in and SMELLED ME and deemed me ok. Ugh! He would not have done that to a man. So inappropriate. I was young and let it go but wish I hadn't.
COMPENSATION! This is the only way they will learn or change
Why did she think she was taken on in the first place?
I admire her fiancé's restraint. My wife worked for a large financial institution and was subjected to low level bullying by her line manager - complaints about her work, belittling her in the office etc etc. So, I said: Do you want me to break his legs? Answer: NO!
Okay, I said, let the 'office gossip' know that I am considering breaking his legs and they will let this information slip (3rd party credibility). As he had met me previously, he thought the worst and curtailed his bullying. 1yr later, his boss was sacked for sexual harassment and he was demoted because he was complicit by not reporting what he knew.
The boss does it because he's allowed to do it.
She needs to report this guy to the police.
This is why you need to advocate for single party consent laws in your state if you live in the States.
Single party consent means you can video or record a conversation with just your knowledge 😉.
I actually believe the states that dont allow it obviously have issues like this and worse in their offices, and that's why they try so hard to keep transparency at bay.
Report to the Police and your Lawyer!!!!
I disbelieve this.
I'm American so perhaps there is a different restaurant culture in The UK but this is beyond.
I retired at 38 years old from the restaurant industry as a chef. I've done it all in South Louisiana, East Texas, Virginia, Southern California and Washington State.
There are only 3 types of sales rep.
Food, booze, gear.
Not sex. That wouldn't fly far.
You may disbelieve this. But I can assure you. I lived and still living through that trauma.
*NAME THEM.* If they threaten to sue, tell them to go right ahead, then *ALL* that will come out in the public record.
Girl needs to take it up with News/Tabloids = that way name & shame embrassing the company
No excuse for this company behaviour. Sue them
HR. If they don't take action, employment attorney. Report. ASAP: he will also try that with the next pretty woman, and probably has done it in the past. I wonder if others in your cohort have been subjected to the same behavior.
Sound like the “Insurance” sketch from Monty Python. With every policy you get a nude lady.