PRONG COLLAR USE IN DOGS!? | MUST WATCH!!
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- PRONG OR PINCH COLLARS FOR DOGS:You should NOT be afraid of using the prong or pinch collar if your trainer or even your vet is recommending it. When used PROPERLY, it can really be a great tool for you and your pet.
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WHY I USE PRONG COLLARS AND MORE INFORMATION:
Your vet may recommend it, if your dog has tracheal or neck injuries and even front limb limping from excessive pulling, or over excited non-enjoyable pulling on walks that you may be complaining about even with all your patience, time and training with your dog.
So, I use prong collars with my dog's and they get super excited when they see and hear the jingle of their prong collars. Our prong collars help my dog's stay with me at my pace while we run, it keeps them from choking themselves and saves their neck muscles, it helps us get past squirrels in the neighborhood and has kept us safe from ignoring other dog's and even other humans on our walks. It has also really saved my shoulder joint and makes our walks and runs safe and enjoyable.
So the prong collar or pinch collars are popular and controversial tools used to help with leash pulling in dog's. This collar has prongs that extend and tighten against the dog's neck in response to leash pulling.
The prong collar does pinch your dog. Does it cause them pain, and my answer is pain is relative. The pain is a pinch pain that just doesn’t feel good and therefore will make your dog stop pulling which will alleviate the pinch pain.
When your dog stops pulling, and the collar becomes loose the pinch feeling is gone and the dog is comfortable. It’s as simple as that.
Is this cruel? In my opinion, no. This is a very humane tool to use to control your dog. And my number 1 concern when working with animals, is being in control and being safe.
Pet owners investigating the prong collar option are in desperate need of help to get their pets to stop pulling on the leash and to have control of their pets for serious safety reasons. These owners using prongs may have even spent thousands of dollars in dog training and the only thing that worked was the prong collar.
So now that you know that I am OK and even encourage pet owners to use the prong collar when they cannot control their dog's, there are a few things you should make a mental note of while using the prong collar for walks or general training.
1. Make sure the prong collar is not too tight, and you can have your trainer help you fit the collar, but a general rule is if you can fit 4 fingers comfortably under the prong collar it is loose enough to not choke them. But you don’t want it too loose that it wont pinch them and won’t work.
2. Introduce the collar slowly. Show your dog the collar before they wear it and slowly get them used to it. Talk to your dog and let them know a command of “no pulling” or “leave it” before you even pop the collar to pinch them. Use the collar as a training tool.
3. Please don’t pinch them for no reason. Use common sense guys, and do not be malicious. If your constantly pinching your dog even when they are walking right by you and being good, then you have no reason using this collar, you are abusing the collar and the dog.
Alright guy, I encourage you to work with a dog trainer when starting your prong collar journey with your dog. I also I hope this video coming from a veterinarian helped you feel more comfortable about using the prong collar.
Please comment below your thoughts about the prong collar and if it has helped you with your dogs! 
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I so wish I had known this years ago when I was trying to walk my dog. He pulled so much with his flat collar and would cough and cough, choke himself while pulling and cough some more. I thought he would eventually self-correct. He never did so we usually only traveled to the vet and otherwise, went nowhere. 8 years later, the vet tells me he has a collapsed trachea! I’m shocked! How’d this happen!?!? She was nice and only said “some dogs are pre-dispositioned for this”. Now I know it was totally my fault for not training with the appropriate tools to help him help himself (and me). So sad, but never again! Thank you!!!!
This is a very good video, but I wanted to comment on a few things that seem to contradict advice I've seen from other dog trainers. 1. You slipped the collar over the dog's head. Others advise that if you can do this, it's too loose. It should be put on the dog's neck in the open position and then closed with the quick release buckle or by pinching one of the links to connect/disconnect it from its neighbor. 2. Other trainers advise putting it higher on the dog's neck, i.e. just below the jaw line, which means it doesn't cover the dog's trachea. For those worried about impacting a dog's trachea, the worst thing is to let a dog pull strongly on a flat collar or Martingale style. 3. Also, you don't mention any particular brands. All the trainers who do mention a brand without fail recommend Herm Sprenger -- for effectiveness, quality, and being humane. They spread the pressure evenly around the dog's neck. German-made Herm Sprenger is much more expensive than the Chinese knock-offs, but it's worth the price. 4. My understanding is the term "pinch collar" describes the way you pinch a link to put the collar on. It should not pinch the dog, but rather apply even pressure. You're right though about it not being inhumane if used properly, and being an excellent training tool to teach dogs not to pull.
You stated a prong collar is good to use if the dog has a collapsing trachea, or to prevent damage to the trachea. My dog had a collapsing trachea. My vet, who was very experienced, and who was also a dog trainer, told me I should never ever put anything around her neck because that would further damage her trachea. Wouldn't using a prong collar be even worse than a fabric collar since the hard metal prongs (they are not soft as you stated) could penetrate the skin if the dog saw a squirrel and darted off, hitting the end of the leash hard, causing the prongs to penetrate, or if they didn't penetrate, they would at least hit the trachea hard? Even gentle poking of the prongs would further damage the trachea. My vet, who was also a dog trainer, also told me to never use a prong collar because it is very dangerous to the dog for several reasons and it does not solve the underlying cause of the behavior problem. I would be interested to know your perspective on how a prong collar is safer for a dog with a trachea that is already damaged, or even to prevent trachea damage. Wouldn't a harness be better for a dog with a damaged trachea, or for any dog? Front attachment on the harness would handle the pulling while you are training the dog not to pull. Please let me know your perspective on this. Being that you are a licensed veterinarian, I am assuming you have reviewed all the recent literature from the experts in veterinary behavior (American college of veterinary behaviorists, American Veterinary Society of Animal Behavior) before making this video and instructing the public. These experts in dog behavior and training clearly are stating that prong collars are dangerous and even abusive. Based on what you are saying in this video it seems you are stating you know something they do not about their area of expertise, so please let me know what information you have that these highly qualified experts don't regarding the use of prong collars. I look forward to your insights.
OH no, Not for collapsing trachea. This is to use if the dog constantly is pulling and is hurting their throat due to pulling and if the prong collar helps them from pulling then this will help. But I dont recommend if this is a toy Pomeranian or toy breed of dog with a severe collapsing trachea they need a harness, and these breeds that are less than 10 lbs shouldn't be able to pull down a human and therefore I wouldn't consider this video for these breeds. Thank you for this comment and I hope this clarified your concern.
@@drlindsaybutzer there are non-pulling harnesses. Helps the dog and the human.
A prong collar with a quick release buckle positioned over the trachea protects the trachea from pulling injuries that can result in a collapsed trachea. If a dog already has a collapsed trachea, then harnesses are the only way to go. Prong collars should not be used on small dogs (under 30 pounds) as those dogs are not strong enough to pull down a fully grown human. They should be reserved for large and giant breeds. I am 5'1" and weigh 145 lbs. I have 4 dogs (one is a cheweeni and does NOT use a prong collar) with a total weight of 192 lbs. I take them on pack walks through a wooded area near my home. If they saw a rabbit and decided to chase it, I would have no chance of stopping them with standard collars or no pull harnesses (all 3 of the big dogs ignored them when I tried them). I use prong collars only when on pack walks or in public. I feel it is better for them to experience slight discomfort than for them to break loose and get hit by a car or shot by a neighbor that thinks they are after his chickens.
I have an 80 lb pitbull, a 60 lb black lab mix, and a 45 lb Siberian husky. Individually, I can controll them using a standard collar or harness because they are well-trained and obey me. (The pitbull has 100% recall on my property and usually goes off leash.) As a group, I need that little bit of extra control. In public, I want that extra control. If they were antagonized by another person or animal, got loose from me, and bit that person or animal, I would be liable and the dog could be put down (the putbull especially).
@@strenghsGirlno-pull harness does not work for my 70lb lab
I can't believe all of thes horrible, abusive comments. This is a thoughtful, informative video, i really appreciate it. Haters will be haters. Troll on...
You call the comments abusive, but using a prong collar is not. Educate yourself . In Europe you wouldn't even be allowed to use one. If you see someone abusing a child you also write negative comments.
Thanks for this video! Helps me answer the "humane" question regarding prong collars!
A GREAT video , except for the part of properly fitting the collar. One of the advantages of the prong is that it stays high up on the neck behind the ears. If you can fit four fingers under the prong, it's too loose.
I’m personally not a fan of prong collars, I see too many people misuse them and I have never had to use them for training. I appreciate you discussing safety and how to use them though!!!
It's actually easy to misuse a regular collar than a prong collar because the prong collar distributes the pressure around the neck instead of concentrating it on a small point of contact at the bottom of the neck.
@@robin212212 😂😂
Thank you for your comment. It is all situational too. If people don't use them right and abuse the tool, then I dont think they should even have a dog.
@@robin212212 this also does not advocate for a prong collar. First I wonder how snoring collar should ever be able to have the pressure equalized ? Second: just because you can misuse a normal collar does not make a prong collar a good thing. If your dog is pulling that hard, use a harness.
Dog trainer here, Soooo happy to see a vet that advocated for the prong! But unfortunately this is not how to properly fit a prong! It is also so important to have good quality prong as well, (herm sprenger))
Again thank you so much for advocating for the collar but I would recommend taking a herm sprenger course to help broaden your education 💙
Sorry to tell you this: you are a bad dog trainer. You apparently have not educated yourself. So don't call yourself a dog trainer, if you promote prong collars. Do some further education, get licenses and treat a dog with respect and fair.
Speaking from my own experience-I’m a huge fan of this collar. For the right dog and right owner. Dr.uses the word “tool” which is absolutely correct.
I’ve used a prong collar for years for my 100 pound mastiff named Nahla. She is smart and obedient. Prior to using a prong collar… my dog & I were relaxing at a park, and she was on a leash. She saw a squirrel and went after it and in the process dislocated my shoulder.
It wasn’t her fault, she’s a dog. In the interest of keeping her healthy and socialized I began to search different dog walking tools. The prong collar was the answer and she responded very well. It is only used during walks. I think people that use it ALL the time and leave their dogs outside tied to a pole, gives this useful tool a bad stigma. It’s a good tool option. They also make these collars with rubber tips.
Thank you for your comment and your story! This is the exact situation I am trying to explain in this video and many people dont understand because they dont have a mastiff like you or a strong Dalmatian like myself. It is a tool and very helpful for us at least too! Thank you again.
You do notice that you say that you abuse your dog, because this is easier for you. Not your dog. Your dog was running behind a squirrel. What you should do is working on it. So that your dog is concentrated on you. Instead you choose to abuse your dog and inflict pain. It is a tool that makes life easier for you; not your dog. And your dog did not react well to it. It just shows the behaviour you want while wearing it. If your dog would truly learn something you would not need the collar anymore. Thank you for sharing the story. Proves my point.
@@drlindsaybutzer you explain why it is useful for a lazy human, who doesnt care for their dogs well being. It is a fact that a prong collar is harmful to dogs. The only use is for humans to not having to teach the dog anything. If the dog truly would learn something you wouldn't have to use a prong collar anymore. But the dog does not learn what to do and what not to do. This is also a fact. Please read papers, ask dog behaviourists, educate yourself.
@@strenghsGirlI find it comical that you don't believe in consequences to undesirable behavior and yet you dish it out on anyone you believe is exhibiting undesirable behavior.
@@ambermidyette3400 I find disturbing that you are a vet. On the other hand a vet has no idea about dog training and dog behaviour unless you took extra courses.
I also never said anything against consequences. Prong collar is not a consequence. It is just a tool to hurt your dog. And the dog does not learn a new behaviour or what to do instead. Consequences need to be at the right time with the right intense. If your dog is pulling there is a trigger. Maybe it wants to hunt or sniff. So lag of attention to the owner. So you need to intervene BEFORE the dog shows the behaviour. Start in an easy environment like at home. Prong collars are proven to be negative no matter how you use them. That is fact. There are great tools and possibilities to train your dog to walk on a leash.
I sincerely recommend that you read studies and books.
These comments.. y'all are being taught wrong and think your right. I've got over 40 years of training dogs and this vet is very accurate
I watched to learn how to CC correctly size and use the prong collar because I thought my daughter in law was doing it wrong. But after watching your video, I learned that YOU are doing it wrong. The collar should be tight against the dogs upper neck, resting right below the ears. You are not supposed to be able to slip 4 fingers under it. It should barely swivel. My daughter said if you can slip it over the dogs head, you are NOT doing it correctly. I then watched a dog trainer explain the correct way and though I think the collar on my daughter in law's dog is too tight, she was correct in her criticism of your video. Pull it an correct it!
I have 4 dogs with a combined weight of 192 lbs. I am 5'1" tall and weigh 145 lbs. When I want to take them on a pack walk, I would not stand a chance if they decided to chase a rabbit or squirrel. The prong collars are invaluable to me when I need that little bit of extra control.
To those that say using painful stimulus is cruel, I would like to remind you that dogs are naturally pack animals. Within a pack, members that are behaving poorly are corrected with biting. A pup nipping at mother's heels will be nipped. The pinch that a prong collar produces is similar to the sensation of a mother dog nipping an unruly pup. It causes discomfort that teaches the dog to stop poor behavior when used properly without causing harm or injury.
The only suggestions I have with regard to proper use is to demonstrate opening the prongs to put it on and take it off. Sliding over the head can risk eye injury if the dog jerks. Personally, I use a prong collars that have metal quick release buckles that center over the trachea. With these, the prongs do not pinch directly over the trachea, the length of the prongs prevent the buckle of the collar from pressing on the trachea, and the buckle makes it safer to put on and take off. I also do not use the prong collar in conjunction with a flat collar. I put the ID and rabies tags on keychain rings so I can move them between collars easily. I believe that using both collars at the same time could cause the collars to entangle, thus losing effectiveness of the prong collar and risking injury.
Finally, in your demonstration, the prong collar is sized incorrectly and placed too low on the neck. It should be sized to fit high on the neck right behind the ears. It should be tight enough to ride there and not slip down. The rule of thumb is 1 link larger than the neck. This allows it to ride high on the neck, leaves plenty of room for breathing, and there is less slack meaning that less force is needed to engage the correcting "pop" or "snap" of the leash.
Why not use a non-pull-harness?
@@strenghsGirl Because they have no effect on the pitbull, the black lab, or the husky. Any one of those dogs will keep right on pulling if they see a squirrel in a "no pull" harness. The pitbull is actually off leash when on our property and has perfect recall. The husky and lab are fine in the harnesses on the property. They know their boundaries and will not chase anything that is beyond them. It is only when we go on pack walks or in public that I need the extra control.
@@KateBonnyCountry this sounds like you have issues controlling your dog on a leash. How is it when you walk them separately? You still need the extra control or are they walking nicely on the leash and you can stop them from hunting?
@@strenghsGirl I have 4 dogs. 2 can be trusted off leash at home. 2 (the husky and the lab) are runners. They cannot be trusted off leash ever. They are well-behaved dogs on our property. As I said, I only use the prong collars when we go on pack walks (that means all 4 with me) or when I take them to public places. I cannot risk them bolting and getting loose. If they all pulled at once, chances are, I would fall down and be injured. They would run loose and possibly get hit by a car. One is a pitbull. He is sweet and has never acted agressively towards anyone, but I cannot risk someone in a public place antagonizing him. If he lunges and bites someone, given his breed, he will be confiscated and euthanized.
I would rather my dogs experience the same level of discomfort they did as puppies when their mother's corrected them than risk injury to myself or injury or death to them.
Train your dog properly and you don't need torture devices like this one. Outlawed in many countries because it falls under the animal welfare law. Then again.............in the US people still crop and dock dogs, horses and whatever they see fit. Both procedures which are considered amputations. I am a bit appalled by the fact that we have an alleged veterinarian recommending the use of torture device. U N B E L I E V A B L E ! ! ! !
I am socked and appalled that a vet would encourage something so inhumane. All prong collars do is hide negative behaviours . Punishment based collars only cause more issues down the line and this is well documented.
We use the prong collar for our Australian cattle dog. I highly recommend it for large, high energy dogs. Great video
You do notice that you are abusing your dog? That your dog never learned what you want from the dog. Please educate yourself
Hey! Thank you for your comment! It is a tool that when used properly really helps alot of dog owners.
@@drlindsaybutzer please educate yourself. It is not a good tool. There are many studies about it. Tbh I doubt you are even a vet
Glad to see a vet endorse proper prong collar use. A couple things to note though. It shouldn't be large enough to slide over the pet's head. Proper on/off of the collar involves either adding an additional easy on/off buckle, or "pinching" the prongs to put the collar on and off, never sliding over the head. Also, placement should be high, and snug like a watch. The prong should sit snuggly and high on the neck, ideally right behind the ears.
It is the worst thing that can happen. A veterinarian,who should be educated telling false information. Prong collars are never good to use.
There is no proper use of any positive punishment in training any animal;. A doctor should KNOW this!
From the American Veterinary Society
of Animal Behavior
"Reward-based techniques should be
used for teaching common training skills
as well as to address unwanted behaviors.
The application of aversive methods -
which, by definition, rely on application
of force, pain, or emotional or physical
discomfort - should not be used in canine
training or for the treatment of behavioral
disorders."
"An appropriate trainer should avoid any use of training tools that
involve pain (choke chains, prong collars, or electronic shock
collars), intimidation (squirt bottles, shaker noise cans, compressed
air cans, shouting, staring, or forceful manipulation such as “alpha
rolls” or “dominance downs”), physical correction techniques
(leash jerking, physical force), or flooding (“exposure”). "
ALL the science says to use positive reinforcement and that positive punishment is harmful to the dog. Dogs may be man's best friend but who want friends that hurt them?
avsab.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/AVSAB-Humane-Dog-Training-Position-Statement-2021.pdf
@@stephendurnan3609 any tool can be abused. A flat collar and leash can be misused, as long as you’re using it properly it should not be hurting or inflicting pain on the animal. Again, absolutely anything can be aversive, it’s all dependent on the handler.
You are right That vet should have a license revoked!!@@strenghsGirl
@@apriljones2272 the difference is what something is meant for. A normal collar is not meant to hurt the dog. Of course you can misuse it and hurt it. A prong collar is designed to hurt. And btw your argument is an false one. Just because you can misuse other collars does not mean it is OK to use a prong collar.
Im so proud of you . I heard your story from your cat bath video and youe truely amazing .
Thank you so much!!
It’s nice to see a Vet use common sense and avoid the woke idiots
I am not a fan of woke idiots either. But I am also not a fan of idiots. And people who advocate prong collars are idiots. There are many studies out there proofing how bad prong collars are. And no they are not woke.
Not only do you have the prong sized incorrectly, you have it positioned improperly. Maybe working with dogs is something you should reconsider. Promoting aversive tools is bad enough - but giving incorrect information on how and what situations to use the tool is even worse. Shame on you!
There is NO proper use of any positive punishment in training
any animal.
From the American Veterinary Society
of Animal Behavior
"Reward-based techniques should be
used for teaching common training skills
as well as to address unwanted behaviors.
The application of aversive methods -
which, by definition, rely on application
of force, pain, or emotional or physical
discomfort - should not be used in canine
training or for the treatment of behavioral
disorders."
"An appropriate trainer should avoid any use of training tools that
involve pain (choke chains, prong collars, or electronic shock
collars), intimidation (squirt bottles, shaker noise cans, compressed
air cans, shouting, staring, or forceful manipulation such as “alpha
rolls” or “dominance downs”), physical correction techniques
(leash jerking, physical force), or flooding (“exposure”). "
ALL the science says to use positive reinforcement and that positive punishment is harmful to the dog. Dogs may be man's best friend but who want friends that hurt them?
avsab.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/AVSAB-Humane-Dog-Training-Position-Statement-2021.pdf
Hey! Thank you for your comment. If you are a dog trainer that is wonderful and Im sure you help thousands of dogs with alot of time and patience using different methods and tools. Each pet is different and may need different tools to help them out and their owners.
@@stephendurnan3609 absolute rubbish there is no such thing as positive punishment what you are advocating is adverse training. What would be better is to encourage people to get their dogs properly trained.
Prongs are supposed to be high and tight not low and loose that’s how dogs get hurt 🤦🏽♀️
Dogs get hurt by a prong collar anyway. Doesn't matter how you put it on. If you dont want your dog to pull use a non-pull-harness.
@@strenghsGirl lol there’s no such thing as a no pull harness. And no dogs only get hurt when I prong is used in properly like in this video.
A vet with an overweight Dalmatian! Djeez, start exercising and stop over feeding!!
I think this is the least problem this "vet" has
@@strenghsGirl she needs a veterinary licence removed
Love the prong collar. The trainer suggested it for maverick.
You love abusing your dog? Why you have a dog in the first place,if you like hurting it?
First time my veterinarian advocates for using a prong collar would be the last time I'd take my pets there.
You're supposed to apply scientific facts to a pet's wellbeing, not make your own rules lady. You should get your license yanked!
You are right I will do the same Yes that vet should have a LICENSE yanked
Hey! Thank you for your comment. I am sorry you don't agree with the prong collars as a tool to help thousands of dogs and dog owners with their pets.
@@drlindsaybutzer a prong collar is not a tool that helps dogs. This is a fact. Like 1 + 1= 2. Stop lying.
@@drlindsaybutzer You're trying to make it look like I simply expressed my opinion (which btw falls under gaslighting), so let me state it very clearly: studies have shown that the use of prong collars is detrimental to a pet's wellbeing as well as the bond between the animal and its caregiver.
If you, as a veterinarian, aren't aware of said studies, I'll be happy to post links so you can educate yourself.
The problem with ALL of this is that you all are opinionated and think your way is the right way. I think if you can't control your dog you shouldn't be walking it. Unfortunately the US is way behind on outlawing things that are dangerous for humans so imagine something used for pets. To all of the "dog trainers" commenting your way may not be correct but you won't entertain the thought of you being wrong. There are too many variables to say this collar can be used safely on any dog. It saddens me that dogs are subjected to this type of torture from owners that claim they love their animals. If you wouldn't put it on your human child or yourself don't put it on a poor dog that can't tell you that your hurting it.
A veterinarian who advocates pain in training? Not a vet who cares about animal welfare at all. Prong collars are banned in many countries for good reason.
That vet should have a License revoked!!!
Banned because woke idiots have voices in shitty countries
I understand where you are coming from. And this is most likely due to human owners abusing the tool. Thank you for your comment.
@@drlindsaybutzer using a prong collar is already abuse. That is why it is banned in many countries. Using a prong collar is wrong and harmful even if you use it correctly.
@@drlindsaybutzerDon't listen to them bad mouth you. You're doing great 👍
I am very disappointed to see a veterinarian condoning the use of a prong collar. Even the strongest dogs can be taught to walk well on a leash with a good harness and the owner putting time aside to train their dog as many people do. Very disappointing!
Yes that vet should have her license revoked !!
Speak for yourself … its a training tool
Even the strongest dogs that "could" have all the training in the world but don't get it due to lack of finances or lack of owners being able to do the work get put into shelters. I am sorry, but I advocate for this tool because it works for us and many other people with their dogs. I mentioned many times to go to a trainer for help and to not abuse the tool with your pets. I know you are behind a computer but your words are disrespectful reading them. Thank you.
@@drlindsaybutzer you do know there is a non-pull-harness? That is a tool that helps humans and does not hurt a dog. A prong collar helps lazy humans and hurts the dog. All what you are saying is against researches and studies. It is like stating that the earth is flat, because you can see far.
@@type2life396 no is not it's abuse and has been proven to make training harder for dogs.
Reported to RUclips for animal abuse.
You are right Why Facebook and RUclips endorse ANIMAL ABUSE !!!!
Hey Style, please understand that there are many videos on prong collars circulating and that I mentioned many things for pet owners to know to protect their pets from a medical stand point. It is hurtful to see you reporting this video when I am trying to education thousands of people who go buy this tool and use it incorrectly, leave it on 24/7 ect.
@@drlindsaybutzer leaving a prong collar on 24/7 is animal abuse. Using a prong collar like you say is also animal abuse. So ofc people report this video.
It like you are saying: people who hit their child till they are unconscious is wrong, let me explain how to hit the child without beating it unconscious. Both is abuse. Both should be reported.
@@strenghsGirlyour comparison is quite honestly the most absurd thing I've ever read. Get a life.
Sad to see a vet who recommends a prong collar. A vet should know better than that!