Kenny wasn't a badass, he was complicated and tragic. His behavior shouldn't be put on a pedestal as he did some shit, but he's still one of the very few characters who genuinely never actually stops seeing Clementine as a child and treasuring what that means. His past as the father of a special needs child truly informs this unyielding sensibility that he can afford even to an unrelated and increasingly competent and independent young woman. That makes him a far more compelling character than just another generic zombiepocalypse badass paternal figure who can just swoop in and take care of the protagonist whenever the plot needs. His flaws make him so much more real. And made it hurt all the more that we won't get to see those traumas and frictions resolve
I'm genuinely angry that Bonnie of all characters from 400 days was utilized. They didn't even bother to do something with Vince or Russell despite being disposable army units for Carver's communities
I think that Luke clip is like one of the ONLY ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS of Sarah's death. She gets forgotten by the whole group so hard, and I have new respect for Luke for remembering her.
To be fair, the others didn’t have much of a connection with her to begin with. I mean, she and Luke were the last ones from the original gruop of episode 1
@@starlaixystari will always hate gabe from season 3 than Sarah tho i never really disliked or hated Sarah like IT wasn t like her fault that She was treated that way by her dad and kept in scuff trying act like the world didn t go Grey
Luke was one of my favorite characters ever, I get Lee and Kenny are good but Luke was such a good character. He was literally the older brother figure for Clem while Lee and Kenny were more like the father figures.
To me, Luke was so great because the writing of his character was nearly as great as any character from S1, he felt like he would've been there with Lee and Kenny at the motel. 2nd closest to s1 writing would be Carver.
Literally bro, I will FOREVERRRR love Luke. He was absolutely perfect as Clem’s older brother figure, should have never EVERRRR gotten that awful ass short ending 🙄
@@Brutustolfoye he was a bright light from that season and cast except kenny since kenny îs already. A day 1 and established person from the first game
@@BLIND_BEARHe was like a symbol that people can be survivors and still be funny and human. His death was one of the saddest moments in the game for me.
Luke’s death is the worst written death in the Telltale side of TWD franchise and nobody can convince me otherwise. Sure, there are arguably dumber deaths out there but this one is the worst from a narrative perspective. We spent the last four episodes bonding with him and then Telltale threw his friendship with Clem into a frozen lake. Luke vs Kenny would’ve been absolute PEAK, it would’ve even rivaled lots of scenes from the show and the comic. We instead got a fight scene between Jane and Kenny but that one doesn’t work because the build was just so rushed. I think I’ve said enough on why Luke’s death was a massive mistake.
The problem is that Luke had no reason to fight Kenny, and he wouldn't have put AJ in danger like Jane did. So, in that scenario, the writers would probably have made Kenny lose control over something absurd, making the choice to save Luke the obvious one. The thing with Jane is that you don’t know about AJ until it’s too late, so you can’t tell if she’s right or not.
I agree that it would be a better ending, but the problem is I can't think of any reason that Kenny and Luke would fight to the death. Luke would never do what Jane did with hiding the baby.
@@AlabeStarbrownI disagree about there being no possible way for Luke and Kenny to fight other than making Kenny come off as insane. The best way to have them fight is to have them disagree on what to do with the group. Kenny obviously wants to go to Wellington while Luke would want to go somewhere else like Howe’s or the ski lodge from episode two. This is a morally grey discussion because while Wellington could very well exist, it could just be non existent or an evil community like Carver’s. Luke not wanting to go to Wellington makes sense but there’s no guarantee that there will be supplies at Howe’s or the ski lodge. Have the fight start from either Luke or Kenny stating that they’re not gonna risk Clem and AJ’s lives over something that might not even be worth it. Feel free to disagree but this is a whole lot more satisfying than Jane starting some fight to kill Kenny, the fight we got just kinda ignores the theme of family that was with the whole Luke/Kenny rivalry.
I think they relized Luke was too level headed and wouldn't have enough motivation to fight Kenny to the death, which is why Jane was chosen last minute.
Jane took it too far to prove that Kenny was off. Luke's too put together to do that. If they wanted some dramatic ending to end the season and have survivors kill one another, they would have needed to get rid of him.
@@DeadX2 Fr. I do think Kenny was unstable emotionally at that point but he had lost so much at that point + the betrayal from Mike and Bonnie that provoking him was just an a-hole move from Jane. Especially since she endangered a *newborn infant* to prove her point. What if walkers smelled him in the car? Smh dumb all around
Upset we didn't get the chance to call Bonnie on her BS. "You and I both know you had a chance to save Luke" , yes Bonnie I did have the chance, untill you fucked things up by bringing more weight to the cracked ice Luke was trying to get out of.
I wish they remade these games Until Dawn style where you can actually save most if not all characters. It would be so interesting to see how each character could be saved. Like imagine instead of just standing around doing nothing, Lee ran inside the house, to the kitchen and quickly cut his arm off with the cleaver. Boom Lee is saved. Luke drops his ak or gives it to Clem as she's smaller and he doesn't die. Boom Luke is saved. It would also be so interesting to see the characters interact with one another. This would be a massive project but it would be so worth it
Ok, but what IF! The base game (the one we got) can be used as a skeleton, and as time passes, Telltale could ADD more options, like updating it bit by bit, untill you get a game full of branches and choices and there's so many endings...
@@逆巻スバル-f5heven if that seems like a good idea on paper, it’s completely impossible. with each new choice the number of outcomes you need to consider, even if it’s only a single line of dialogue, exponentially increases. in a standalone game, like until dawn, detroit: become human, etc., you can have these drastically different storylines and endings, but the story would need to be reimagined from the ground up to have this style in the walking dead. or have it so even if you have drastically different storylines up until a point, the ending is largely the same (clem leaves a group and sees none of them again, so it doesn’t really matter who lives or dies). either way, it’d be a completely different game that would probably prioritize the quantity of available options instead of the quality of the story.
TWD is different from Until Dawn. First of all, Until Dawn is not a serie, so that means you can either kill all of them or save them, it's up to you. In TWD you have to choose one of the characters to make and continue the story. For example, you cannot save Carley/Doug from Lilly in the roadway. If you'd done that, Lilly wouldn't've left the group, so season 4 wouldn't've been there. Or if You saved Lee, then what was gonna happen? Finally making choices makes the game more painful. You have to face the results either bad or good. Sometimes lose your fav characters, sometimes save them. It makes the game more realistic and captivating.
that would be so cool. Even if it were just a what if story, I would love to see everyone survive. It would be such a happier ending, even if it wasn't canonical
Luke was without a doubt a big brother to Clementine!!!! Bro was tough as nails, had one of fhe best arsenals, and was just one heck of a great guy. The part of him lusting for Jane felt very forced and out of nowhere, and his tantrum after she left for a little was very pointless but hey, everyone has flaws. Also, *I gave you tge 100th* 👍. *Awesome video man!!!!*
Luke is my fave character outside of Clem, Lee, & Kenny. I think TWD2 was ruined because of them killing him off early instead of having him fight Kenny, it actually would’ve been a difficult choice instead of Kenny V Jane.
3:56 last time I played this, I rolled my eyes and said, "a fever is going to start kicking in because that bite WILL get infected and any doctor worth his salt would know that..."
Telltale needs to make another walking dead but called “TWD butterfly effect” and have it so certain things like Lee dying doesn’t happen and we play as older Clem with Lee alive. Or the part where Clem leaves with the stranger and instead she never leaves and therefor Lee never gets bit. I think that would be great if made well
I agree on that, but they could have done it when making the games in the first place, choices never mattered because the characters you tried saving end up dying later Even if the point is that the world is unfair and harsh and all that, still doesn't excuse the writing
Well you know what, the season 2 was just a way to show the progression of 2 characters, mainly Kenny and Clementine. All the other characters were puppets for the episodes to build up. Only couple of them felt like a real connection like Luke, Rebecca, Pete or Alvin. All those had huge potentials to continue in S3 but yeah they wanted to start fresh and pulled out all the characters in some odd ways. That's why the characters drop like flies in S2. Only Kenny and Clem are the worthy ones along with AJ. Season 3 was to show Clem progress through with AJ to set the stage for S4. S3 was completely worthless
For those who didn't know: During the development of TWD season 2 in episode 4, Telltale got rushed for the deadline cause at the same time, they were also develop the finale episode of The wolf among us. Most of the developer, budget was move to develop TWAU Finale. So that's why in episode 4 it was so rush (and bad) and it's also the main reason why they changed the villain in ep 4: the Russian instead of 400 days character (which is a shame), I'm not sure about episode 5 though. But ep 4, 5 got completely rewritten cause of the deadline
One of the things I liked about Luke is that despite being set up (early at least, he has moments after ep 2 but for the most part everythingafter thats a clusterfuck) as Clem's next caretaker, he's very deliberately written as taking that role on differently than Lee. He's not simply taking care of Clem and keeping her out of danger, he trusts her competency and offers support, he treats her more or less as an equal, if one who needs a boost sometimes. The bridge is such a good scene to express this, their banter is cute with alot of immediate chemistry and when the fight starts he trusts Clem to take care of things while he handles his own situation. God I miss him, and him as the one on the other side of the Final Choice would have been such a good dichotomy. Two people who love Clem genuinely as family, very different ways of showing it. Luke can be flakey and would surely one day make the mistake of trusting Clem's abilities too much, but we know he would nurture all the good human things in her, try to make a life worth surviving for in her. Kenny is unstable and quick to blame anyone but himself when suffering and Clem gets caught in that crossfire, but we know he would do anything to keep her safe, another person would never lay a hand on her as long as he's there. And that is an interesting choice to make.
I am loving these videos. I played TWD tell tale for the first time a couple months ago and then after playing it I never returned. But these videos make me want to
Omg u actually have NOOOOOO idea how much I love and talk about Luke 😭😭🙏🏻🙏🏻 NOOOOO other side character introduced in any of the seasons (except AJ ofc) has had as much of an impact on me as Luke did. As much as I love and adore Kenny already; I love Luke EVEN more. He had an absolute goldmine of potential. He was always a good chat, cool accent/voice, awesome design, he was hella patient and trusting in life or death situations (which we ALL need in life and no other character would ever have this sense of “it’ll be okay, he’s got this, I got this, just let him do this thing and be his backup” ever again in the series as a whole. ) he was supportive, jokey, he could be easily rational/talked through when he cracks under pressure, he was always a good smile and the perfect survivor partner to have around. If yall made a plan, he’d STAND by it and have ur back 100%. He was never a burden and would make sure he can still be a reliable individual to himself as well, so you never ever felt like you were dragging broken baggage. Both him and Clem would put their all into everything they did, and both were hella loyal and can easily be rationed with. I can only imagine the absolute triple A tier team he would’ve been with Clem and AJ. His “death” should’ve been Bonnie 🙄🙄🙄 I will never ever get over how short lived this PERFECT character was bro,,,,,, ilysm Luke,,,,,,
I always wish Clem had more of an option to defend herself against Bonnie's guilt talk towards her. Clem letting Bonnie know who's fault it really is or even slapping sense into her would be a great emotional scene. Also a decision like that would fracture the group more and would give more concrete reasoning for Bonnie to eventually leave with Mike and Arvo later.
One idea I've had since seeing Luke's death from way back to have it feel more satisfying, or at least more heart retching would be that the option given to cover him or help him would make a small difference in who leaves with Arvo. Like if you help Luke everything still happens with him saving Clem from the walker under the ice, but that if you cover him instead of Bonnie surfacing it's Luke who comes up panicked saying that Bonnie got dragged down by a walker that originally grabbed him. From their once they reach Arvo's place, and the group is split the group could start making their points of not going to Wellington while Kenny is dead set on it. With eventually during the night instead of Bonnie, Mike, and Arvo leaving like normal in the Luke lives route he's leaving with them with the scene starting with Luke telling the other's he's going to go get Clem so the four of them can leave, but inevitably like normal Arvo will still end up shooting Clem, but Luke will be the one to freak out over her being shot. From there Clem passes out to either Mike telling Luke they have to leave, or Luke yelling for Kenny / Jane, depending on how close people had gotten Luke and Clem through prior choices.
Narratively I think it would have been a better outcome if Luke survived, and it was just Luke, Kenny, Alvin Jr and Jane in the end, Jane likely wouldn't have gone overboard and kept pushing Kenny's buttons and provoking him by faking AJ's death.
Thank you for making these videos! Character analysis is so interesting and you always nail it with great insight and retrospective. Looking forward to more
Luke felt like he could have been a top teir season 1 character. I think he'd fit well in Lee's og group. But then they had to drop that random death on us. Such wasted potential for Luke
Luke was setup as the new protector and defender of Clem but unlike Kenny and Lee he's less experienced, throughout the game Luke shows he's hard headed just like Kenny and often will do whatever he wants while putting everyone else in danger such as the walkie talkie he's contrasted with Kenny who also does the same in the cabin, throughout the game Luke looks out for Clem and also asks her for help just like Kenny the fact he is also the leader of his group shows his leadership skills, we all loved Luke and he was our favourite character besides Kenny but near the end he starts to lose responsbility and he indirectly leads to Sarah's death due to his neglect of his responsbility but he's such a wasted character we loved him a lot and he was killed in such a stupid and meaningless manner because the ending was revealed wasted potential sadly.
The scene in Howes where he appears, I always have Clementine hug Luke. I do think to a kid Clementine's age in season 2, having someone like Luke empathise with them after being alone, going through mud and blood for months. As Luke and Clementine spent time with Luke, I felt like she was looking up to Luke more and more, as a little sister would towards an older brother
I never really thought too much about the Ice scene... but like... People definitely would've went around it on the tree line. They walk through the woods all the time. Just got greedy and wanted to get there faster.
And all because some weirdo shipped Clementine with Luke is why he couldn't make it to Season 3, but he would've probably died a rushed death in that too.
Lee was such a great character. Seeing him die just because of an ice break was pretty sad and daunting. I also hate how Bonnie chose to blame everyone over his death.
Ill genuinely never not be mad abt the fact that they switched him and Jane in the storyline, because Luke vs Kenny had been set up the entireee game and Luke actually was like family to Clementine whereas Jane just constantly displayed how much she wanted to leave and dgaf abt the group or her. It just irks me so bad that they killed him off in that lazy ahh scene and then forgot about him when he was such a genuinely great character that cared for Clem, also the decision in the end would be 1000x harder and more impactful if it was a choice between Kenny and Luke
We need a video about Vernon, about how well he was written by Telltale as a backstabber, even if you didn't lie to him or threaten him, Vernon acknowledges Lee's leadership depending on your choices at Crawford, even offering to take Clementine in. Vernon still steals the boat and ditches his group. Telltale did a good job showing how much of a backstabber Vernon was.
It was so werid to me when I was playing this game I said to my self it’s crazy luke was the last member of the cabin group and then he dies and it made me so sad that I went to check online if I could save him and I was wrong
I'm sorry Luke. You looked so hot and friendly but Kenny or you? It's unquestionable. Btw he deserved a better death. He was one of the main characters in season 2 but he died like an ordinary person.
FUN FACT: LUKE WAS NOT MEANT TO DIE Unfortunately people inside ttg , a few , were shipping Luke x Clem in a gross way. The decision to kill luke came to stop it from getting worse. You can find the unused audio of luke being saved from drowning online.
every day i somehow hope this season could be re done and the final choice would be kenny vs luke. i have no idea what choice i would have made there but killing jane sure was an easy emotionally weightless one.
The biggest mistake Luke made was having sex with Jane when he was supposed to be on watch. If you let Sarah live she was the only one who died b/c of that incompetence. Basically Luke was probably the one who Carver insane. Just like he did Kenny.
I feel like at the end instead Jane and Kenny. It should have been a decision between Luke and Kenny. In my opinion Jane didn't seem like the character I'd empathize with. The decision would have been harder if it was luke because, just like kenny, was important to clem.
As a person Luke was fine but he was a weak leader who couldnt get his hands dirty, example(being against killing Carver who if left alive couldve compromised the whole group). Its almost like he was stuck between what the world was vs what it is.
My favorite character from season 2. He is just dependable and calm of all the characters. When he is dead it just make me sad... FUCK, I wish I could save him
Luke vs Kenny wouldn’t have worked compared to Jane vs Kenny because way more people would’ve chosen to save Luke. Not me but fur sure 99% of people would’ve chose Luke over Kenny. Jane just should’ve had more screen time throughout the episodes to feel more significant to the season. The whole thing about Luke is that he’s that guy that’s too charismatic to be held accountable for any mistakes he makes and he makes a lot throughout the season. His death in episode 5 reflects his recklessness attitude that we see when we first meet him and when he falls through the floor at the bridge. Also of course you cut out the part when Luke tells Nick that he’s totally on board with locking Clementine in the shed to Nick after they close the doors. To be fair, I don’t blame people for fawning over Luke considering of all the adults, he’s the most chill towards Clementine other than Pete and Sarita. Of all the characters from season 2, Luke was the character that remained consistent throughout even in death. No they didn’t kill Luke off over some dumb ship some girl made in some RUclips comments, they just wanted to give Kenny more of a fighting chance.
Luke maybe a good character but Carlos ain't either he's a terrible doctor or he trusted that clem might be with Carver because no matter a bite that deep Clem would have had a fever in the morning, and you can clearly see it's too big to be a human bite, a doctor would know this I feel. So he set up a game he knew she would loose and thus be shot in the assumption she was a Walker
Great video! I’ve been wondering for a while now: when are you going to talk about characters from seasons 3 and 4? Or are you planning to talk about those seasons at all? I suppose you’re first trying to "complete" the characters who made it to season two, at least. That would explain why you haven’t made a video about Clementine or Lilly yet.
How great would it have been for Luke to have survived all of season 2 (with Jane falling through the ice of course) and making it to season 3?? He and Javi would’ve been unstoppable!
I always felt like they killed Luke because if he was alive there'd be no choice for the final act because everyone would side with Luke over Kenny or Jane
Besides Lee Clementine Jesus (TWD Game ) and Kenny Definitely Luke is also in my top 5 favorite characters People like Luke for the same reasons people like Daryl in the TV series Besides combat and survival skills Personality wise people Like their charming demeanor (since he bagged both bonnie and jane ) and they always takes care of the people they love in the group when people are at their lowest And are always down for the cause And dont abandon ship when things get rough Besides clemetine doing most of the work (because obviously main character playing reasons ) Luke helps clementine most of the time With scouting the bridge Helping the group escape from carvers even tho he got caught because he was starving but desperate times happen With hunger and trailing carvers people for days And a emotional support to clem and everyone else to fall to As a 2nd option since kenny wasnt around and when kenny lost someone hed close out from people Luke deserved better man
I understand that a character being likeable doesn't exempt them from dying; the zombie apocalypse don't discriminate. What I DIDN'T like was the aftermath of Luke's death, obviously the most glaring issue being Bonnie's reaction. If THAT was handled better I think people wouldn't necessarily be happy about his death, but definitely more satisfied leaving it at 'he sacrificed himself for Clem'.
Luke should’ve survived the game and been in season 3 that season would have benefited from more recognizable characters. He could’ve died in the final chapter of season 3 sacrificing himself to save Clementine.
Ya lukes death feels a bit stupid especially considering his death in beta which was much sadder ether being left alone with a bite or left bitten with aj. Which honestly hints more to idea luke was a bit of a second lee.
Lee= Dad
Kenny= Badass uncle
Luke= older bro
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Lee= Babysitter*😂
@@SylentBrianLee= Just Some Guy
@@WHITExTRASH101 *Hershel will remember that*
Kenny wasn't a badass, he was complicated and tragic.
His behavior shouldn't be put on a pedestal as he did some shit, but he's still one of the very few characters who genuinely never actually stops seeing Clementine as a child and treasuring what that means. His past as the father of a special needs child truly informs this unyielding sensibility that he can afford even to an unrelated and increasingly competent and independent young woman.
That makes him a far more compelling character than just another generic zombiepocalypse badass paternal figure who can just swoop in and take care of the protagonist whenever the plot needs.
His flaws make him so much more real. And made it hurt all the more that we won't get to see those traumas and frictions resolve
Luke deserved better, would've traded bonnie for him at the river if we were given the option
Agreed
absolutely, and the fact that bonnie is such a horrid character in herself doesn't really help the fact that she didn't do all that much.
I'm genuinely angry that Bonnie of all characters from 400 days was utilized. They didn't even bother to do something with Vince or Russell despite being disposable army units for Carver's communities
ABSOLUTELY ONG ONG.
you can leave Bonnie for dead in the lake if you don't break the ice
I think that Luke clip is like one of the ONLY ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS of Sarah's death. She gets forgotten by the whole group so hard, and I have new respect for Luke for remembering her.
I didn't know somebody acknowledged that all the people Luke was with died, I think it's really cool that he did. Especially poor Sarah's death.
To be fair, the others didn’t have much of a connection with her to begin with. I mean, she and Luke were the last ones from the original gruop of episode 1
The cabin group in general was underutilized, and the later additions who were anything but satisfying were more used for some reason
I hate Sarah and I always leave her. I'm not gonna care about some nerd which can't say no to her dad.
@@starlaixystari will always hate gabe from season 3 than Sarah tho i never really disliked or hated Sarah like IT wasn t like her fault that She was treated that way by her dad and kept in scuff trying act like the world didn t go Grey
Luke was one of my favorite characters ever, I get Lee and Kenny are good but Luke was such a good character. He was literally the older brother figure for Clem while Lee and Kenny were more like the father figures.
To me, Luke was so great because the writing of his character was nearly as great as any character from S1, he felt like he would've been there with Lee and Kenny at the motel. 2nd closest to s1 writing would be Carver.
Literally bro, I will FOREVERRRR love Luke. He was absolutely perfect as Clem’s older brother figure, should have never EVERRRR gotten that awful ass short ending 🙄
@@BrutustolfoONGGGGGGGG 😭😭💔💔
@@Brutustolfoye he was a bright light from that season and cast except kenny since kenny îs already. A day 1 and established person from the first game
@@BLIND_BEARHe was like a symbol that people can be survivors and still be funny and human. His death was one of the saddest moments in the game for me.
Luke’s death is the worst written death in the Telltale side of TWD franchise and nobody can convince me otherwise. Sure, there are arguably dumber deaths out there but this one is the worst from a narrative perspective. We spent the last four episodes bonding with him and then Telltale threw his friendship with Clem into a frozen lake.
Luke vs Kenny would’ve been absolute PEAK, it would’ve even rivaled lots of scenes from the show and the comic. We instead got a fight scene between Jane and Kenny but that one doesn’t work because the build was just so rushed. I think I’ve said enough on why Luke’s death was a massive mistake.
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The problem is that Luke had no reason to fight Kenny, and he wouldn't have put AJ in danger like Jane did. So, in that scenario, the writers would probably have made Kenny lose control over something absurd, making the choice to save Luke the obvious one.
The thing with Jane is that you don’t know about AJ until it’s too late, so you can’t tell if she’s right or not.
I agree that it would be a better ending, but the problem is I can't think of any reason that Kenny and Luke would fight to the death. Luke would never do what Jane did with hiding the baby.
@@AlabeStarbrownI disagree about there being no possible way for Luke and Kenny to fight other than making Kenny come off as insane. The best way to have them fight is to have them disagree on what to do with the group. Kenny obviously wants to go to Wellington while Luke would want to go somewhere else like Howe’s or the ski lodge from episode two. This is a morally grey discussion because while Wellington could very well exist, it could just be non existent or an evil community like Carver’s. Luke not wanting to go to Wellington makes sense but there’s no guarantee that there will be supplies at Howe’s or the ski lodge.
Have the fight start from either Luke or Kenny stating that they’re not gonna risk Clem and AJ’s lives over something that might not even be worth it. Feel free to disagree but this is a whole lot more satisfying than Jane starting some fight to kill Kenny, the fight we got just kinda ignores the theme of family that was with the whole Luke/Kenny rivalry.
Don't forget Nick Clark or Carl
Luke vs Kenny at the end of season 2 would’ve been one of the hardest choices
I think they relized Luke was too level headed and wouldn't have enough motivation to fight Kenny to the death, which is why Jane was chosen last minute.
Jane took it too far to prove that Kenny was off. Luke's too put together to do that. If they wanted some dramatic ending to end the season and have survivors kill one another, they would have needed to get rid of him.
@@imapotato7391her point sucked lol
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Fr. I do think Kenny was unstable emotionally at that point but he had lost so much at that point + the betrayal from Mike and Bonnie that provoking him was just an a-hole move from Jane. Especially since she endangered a *newborn infant* to prove her point. What if walkers smelled him in the car? Smh dumb all around
@@YouKnowImOnMyPeriodYah nah dude wasn’t too crazy a little unstable but it’s for good reason he lost his family at the same time and a lot of friends
Saw Luke on the title and came here running
The sad thing is I always liked luke but after replaying recently, he REALLY fumbles after episode 3 if I remember correctly.
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@@WHITExTRASH101Luke cares even if he's a lousy leader.
Upset we didn't get the chance to call Bonnie on her BS.
"You and I both know you had a chance to save Luke" , yes Bonnie I did have the chance, untill you fucked things up by bringing more weight to the cracked ice Luke was trying to get out of.
I wish they remade these games Until Dawn style where you can actually save most if not all characters. It would be so interesting to see how each character could be saved. Like imagine instead of just standing around doing nothing, Lee ran inside the house, to the kitchen and quickly cut his arm off with the cleaver. Boom Lee is saved. Luke drops his ak or gives it to Clem as she's smaller and he doesn't die. Boom Luke is saved. It would also be so interesting to see the characters interact with one another. This would be a massive project but it would be so worth it
@@laurwolfxd_3830 to be fair if they went that route, they wouldn’t have been able to make sequels to this franchise
Ok, but what IF! The base game (the one we got) can be used as a skeleton, and as time passes, Telltale could ADD more options, like updating it bit by bit, untill you get a game full of branches and choices and there's so many endings...
@@逆巻スバル-f5heven if that seems like a good idea on paper, it’s completely impossible. with each new choice the number of outcomes you need to consider, even if it’s only a single line of dialogue, exponentially increases. in a standalone game, like until dawn, detroit: become human, etc., you can have these drastically different storylines and endings, but the story would need to be reimagined from the ground up to have this style in the walking dead. or have it so even if you have drastically different storylines up until a point, the ending is largely the same (clem leaves a group and sees none of them again, so it doesn’t really matter who lives or dies). either way, it’d be a completely different game that would probably prioritize the quantity of available options instead of the quality of the story.
TWD is different from Until Dawn. First of all, Until Dawn is not a serie, so that means you can either kill all of them or save them, it's up to you. In TWD you have to choose one of the characters to make and continue the story. For example, you cannot save Carley/Doug from Lilly in the roadway. If you'd done that, Lilly wouldn't've left the group, so season 4 wouldn't've been there. Or if You saved Lee, then what was gonna happen? Finally making choices makes the game more painful. You have to face the results either bad or good. Sometimes lose your fav characters, sometimes save them. It makes the game more realistic and captivating.
that would be so cool. Even if it were just a what if story, I would love to see everyone survive. It would be such a happier ending, even if it wasn't canonical
dude was slaying every woman he met truly the best character
Luke was without a doubt a big brother to Clementine!!!! Bro was tough as nails, had one of fhe best arsenals, and was just one heck of a great guy. The part of him lusting for Jane felt very forced and out of nowhere, and his tantrum after she left for a little was very pointless but hey, everyone has flaws. Also, *I gave you tge 100th* 👍. *Awesome video man!!!!*
Luke is my fave character outside of Clem, Lee, & Kenny. I think TWD2 was ruined because of them killing him off early instead of having him fight Kenny, it actually would’ve been a difficult choice instead of Kenny V Jane.
THIS IS WHAT IM SAYINGGGGGGGGGGGGGG OMG
Luke would never fight Kenny in the first place, he's not a snake like Jane.
Nah Luke wouldn’t fight Kenny. It should be saving Kenny vs Luke in a situation where they are both in trouble (like Carly and Doug)
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3:56 last time I played this, I rolled my eyes and said, "a fever is going to start kicking in because that bite WILL get infected and any doctor worth his salt would know that..."
Luke’s death was a middle finger out of nowhere for no reason
He's such a precious boi. Too good for this world.....
Telltale needs to make another walking dead but called “TWD butterfly effect” and have it so certain things like Lee dying doesn’t happen and we play as older Clem with Lee alive. Or the part where Clem leaves with the stranger and instead she never leaves and therefor Lee never gets bit. I think that would be great if made well
I agree on that, but they could have done it when making the games in the first place, choices never mattered because the characters you tried saving end up dying later
Even if the point is that the world is unfair and harsh and all that, still doesn't excuse the writing
Your channel is the only one we’re and I can get consistent Twd content keep up the great work
Maybe watch Tye Swell. He does vids on TV TV universe but they're always amazing
Luke was basically the video games character equivalent to Glenn from the main series.
Killing off every character in such a short amount of time is crazy to me.
Well you know what, the season 2 was just a way to show the progression of 2 characters, mainly Kenny and Clementine. All the other characters were puppets for the episodes to build up. Only couple of them felt like a real connection like Luke, Rebecca, Pete or Alvin. All those had huge potentials to continue in S3 but yeah they wanted to start fresh and pulled out all the characters in some odd ways. That's why the characters drop like flies in S2. Only Kenny and Clem are the worthy ones along with AJ. Season 3 was to show Clem progress through with AJ to set the stage for S4. S3 was completely worthless
Im so glad there’s still content creators out there that’ll pump out videos of this series regularly. I love it!
I loved him. He was like an older brother figure to Clem and I wish he’d have lived and spent more time with her.
For those who didn't know: During the development of TWD season 2 in episode 4, Telltale got rushed for the deadline cause at the same time, they were also develop the finale episode of The wolf among us. Most of the developer, budget was move to develop TWAU Finale. So that's why in episode 4 it was so rush (and bad) and it's also the main reason why they changed the villain in ep 4: the Russian instead of 400 days character (which is a shame), I'm not sure about episode 5 though. But ep 4, 5 got completely rewritten cause of the deadline
Luke and Clem's relationship feels very much like an uncle/niece relationship, but the uncle is dad's twin. Not quite parental, but more than familial
Personally it felt more like a big brother little sister or older cousin and younger cousin kind of relationship.
@NisarKhan-jm1uh I didn't think about the cousin thing, that also works well imo
One of the things I liked about Luke is that despite being set up (early at least, he has moments after ep 2 but for the most part everythingafter thats a clusterfuck) as Clem's next caretaker, he's very deliberately written as taking that role on differently than Lee. He's not simply taking care of Clem and keeping her out of danger, he trusts her competency and offers support, he treats her more or less as an equal, if one who needs a boost sometimes. The bridge is such a good scene to express this, their banter is cute with alot of immediate chemistry and when the fight starts he trusts Clem to take care of things while he handles his own situation. God I miss him, and him as the one on the other side of the Final Choice would have been such a good dichotomy. Two people who love Clem genuinely as family, very different ways of showing it. Luke can be flakey and would surely one day make the mistake of trusting Clem's abilities too much, but we know he would nurture all the good human things in her, try to make a life worth surviving for in her. Kenny is unstable and quick to blame anyone but himself when suffering and Clem gets caught in that crossfire, but we know he would do anything to keep her safe, another person would never lay a hand on her as long as he's there. And that is an interesting choice to make.
Every character in season 2 was wasted potential
Bad writing. Original was better.
The first 3 episodes were so good and then the last two were just the group hopelessly wandering around until everyone died.
I just replayed Season 2 a few hours ago.
Luke's death really hurt. I really liked him for all the points you mentioned in the video.
the timing bro love u keep up the work
I just finished the first 2 seasons for the first time and I’m glad these videos come out still after a decade of the game thank you
a Luke, Clem, and Javi trio would’ve been so sick
Yay you finally did it! Luke is my favorite character of season two, he always tried his best to stay true to himself.
I am loving these videos. I played TWD tell tale for the first time a couple months ago and then after playing it I never returned. But these videos make me want to
It’s a good night y’all!!🙏🏿😁
Omg u actually have NOOOOOO idea how much I love and talk about Luke 😭😭🙏🏻🙏🏻 NOOOOO other side character introduced in any of the seasons (except AJ ofc) has had as much of an impact on me as Luke did. As much as I love and adore Kenny already; I love Luke EVEN more. He had an absolute goldmine of potential. He was always a good chat, cool accent/voice, awesome design, he was hella patient and trusting in life or death situations (which we ALL need in life and no other character would ever have this sense of “it’ll be okay, he’s got this, I got this, just let him do this thing and be his backup” ever again in the series as a whole. ) he was supportive, jokey, he could be easily rational/talked through when he cracks under pressure, he was always a good smile and the perfect survivor partner to have around. If yall made a plan, he’d STAND by it and have ur back 100%. He was never a burden and would make sure he can still be a reliable individual to himself as well, so you never ever felt like you were dragging broken baggage. Both him and Clem would put their all into everything they did, and both were hella loyal and can easily be rationed with. I can only imagine the absolute triple A tier team he would’ve been with Clem and AJ.
His “death” should’ve been Bonnie 🙄🙄🙄 I will never ever get over how short lived this PERFECT character was bro,,,,,, ilysm Luke,,,,,,
I always wish Clem had more of an option to defend herself against Bonnie's guilt talk towards her. Clem letting Bonnie know who's fault it really is or even slapping sense into her would be a great emotional scene. Also a decision like that would fracture the group more and would give more concrete reasoning for Bonnie to eventually leave with Mike and Arvo later.
One idea I've had since seeing Luke's death from way back to have it feel more satisfying, or at least more heart retching would be that the option given to cover him or help him would make a small difference in who leaves with Arvo. Like if you help Luke everything still happens with him saving Clem from the walker under the ice, but that if you cover him instead of Bonnie surfacing it's Luke who comes up panicked saying that Bonnie got dragged down by a walker that originally grabbed him. From their once they reach Arvo's place, and the group is split the group could start making their points of not going to Wellington while Kenny is dead set on it. With eventually during the night instead of Bonnie, Mike, and Arvo leaving like normal in the Luke lives route he's leaving with them with the scene starting with Luke telling the other's he's going to go get Clem so the four of them can leave, but inevitably like normal Arvo will still end up shooting Clem, but Luke will be the one to freak out over her being shot. From there Clem passes out to either Mike telling Luke they have to leave, or Luke yelling for Kenny / Jane, depending on how close people had gotten Luke and Clem through prior choices.
Narratively I think it would have been a better outcome if Luke survived, and it was just Luke, Kenny, Alvin Jr and Jane in the end, Jane likely wouldn't have gone overboard and kept pushing Kenny's buttons and provoking him by faking AJ's death.
Thank you for making these videos! Character analysis is so interesting and you always nail it with great insight and retrospective. Looking forward to more
W video keep doing more
Luke felt like he could have been a top teir season 1 character. I think he'd fit well in Lee's og group. But then they had to drop that random death on us. Such wasted potential for Luke
Keep the vids coming my man been loving them
Still one of my all time favorite characters.
LUKE MY HUSBANDDD
Luke was setup as the new protector and defender of Clem but unlike Kenny and Lee he's less experienced, throughout the game Luke shows he's hard headed just like Kenny and often will do whatever he wants while putting everyone else in danger such as the walkie talkie he's contrasted with Kenny who also does the same in the cabin, throughout the game Luke looks out for Clem and also asks her for help just like Kenny the fact he is also the leader of his group shows his leadership skills, we all loved Luke and he was our favourite character besides Kenny but near the end he starts to lose responsbility and he indirectly leads to Sarah's death due to his neglect of his responsbility but he's such a wasted character we loved him a lot and he was killed in such a stupid and meaningless manner because the ending was revealed wasted potential sadly.
The scene in Howes where he appears, I always have Clementine hug Luke. I do think to a kid Clementine's age in season 2, having someone like Luke empathise with them after being alone, going through mud and blood for months. As Luke and Clementine spent time with Luke, I felt like she was looking up to Luke more and more, as a little sister would towards an older brother
He meant so much to Clementine and yet he was only mentioned once after season 2 smh
“How did we get here” Chills
I hope you do a video about Louis, he's such a cinnamon roll
0:13 her hats gone again😢
Did anyone notice the foreshadowing of luke death . Almost falling from a bridge because wood was loose and how he died because he stepped on the ice
I never really thought too much about the Ice scene... but like... People definitely would've went around it on the tree line. They walk through the woods all the time. Just got greedy and wanted to get there faster.
Wow, another great vid. I already liked Luke but this video made me realize just how great of character he was.
Ngl I was just thinking the other day that I hoped you’d make a video on Luke- thank you for hearing my subliminal messaging lmao
And all because some weirdo shipped Clementine with Luke is why he couldn't make it to Season 3, but he would've probably died a rushed death in that too.
Wait WHAT???
I beg your pardon
?????????????
Nonsense.
Me when I spread misinformation
Lee was such a great character. Seeing him die just because of an ice break was pretty sad and daunting. I also hate how Bonnie chose to blame everyone over his death.
Ill genuinely never not be mad abt the fact that they switched him and Jane in the storyline, because Luke vs Kenny had been set up the entireee game and Luke actually was like family to Clementine whereas Jane just constantly displayed how much she wanted to leave and dgaf abt the group or her. It just irks me so bad that they killed him off in that lazy ahh scene and then forgot about him when he was such a genuinely great character that cared for Clem, also the decision in the end would be 1000x harder and more impactful if it was a choice between Kenny and Luke
Ngl sometimes clem and Luke feel like they got a Cousin dynamic thing going on
cant wait for season 3 content lowkey the best game
We need a video about Vernon, about how well he was written by Telltale as a backstabber, even if you didn't lie to him or threaten him, Vernon acknowledges Lee's leadership depending on your choices at Crawford, even offering to take Clementine in. Vernon still steals the boat and ditches his group. Telltale did a good job showing how much of a backstabber Vernon was.
It was so werid to me when I was playing this game I said to my self it’s crazy luke was the last member of the cabin group and then he dies and it made me so sad that I went to check online if I could save him and I was wrong
I didn’t know Clem could lose her hat for even a little bit in Season 2? 6:12
You should do a video about the cabin group and their wasted potencial and underuse
I'm sorry Luke. You looked so hot and friendly but Kenny or you? It's unquestionable. Btw he deserved a better death. He was one of the main characters in season 2 but he died like an ordinary person.
FUN FACT: LUKE WAS NOT MEANT TO DIE
Unfortunately people inside ttg , a few , were shipping Luke x Clem in a gross way. The decision to kill luke came to stop it from getting worse. You can find the unused audio of luke being saved from drowning online.
I just finished season 2 yesterday and Accidentally let Luke drown and now I see the Luke video bru I js might redo the episode 😭🙏🏾
every day i somehow hope this season could be re done and the final choice would be kenny vs luke. i have no idea what choice i would have made there but killing jane sure was an easy emotionally weightless one.
The biggest mistake Luke made was having sex with Jane when he was supposed to be on watch. If you let Sarah live she was the only one who died b/c of that incompetence. Basically Luke was probably the one who Carver insane. Just like he did Kenny.
I feel like at the end instead Jane and Kenny. It should have been a decision between Luke and Kenny. In my opinion Jane didn't seem like the character I'd empathize with. The decision would have been harder if it was luke because, just like kenny, was important to clem.
As a person Luke was fine but he was a weak leader who couldnt get his hands dirty, example(being against killing Carver who if left alive couldve compromised the whole group). Its almost like he was stuck between what the world was vs what it is.
My favorite character from season 2. He is just dependable and calm of all the characters. When he is dead it just make me sad... FUCK, I wish I could save him
Luke vs Kenny wouldn’t have worked compared to Jane vs Kenny because way more people would’ve chosen to save Luke. Not me but fur sure 99% of people would’ve chose Luke over Kenny. Jane just should’ve had more screen time throughout the episodes to feel more significant to the season.
The whole thing about Luke is that he’s that guy that’s too charismatic to be held accountable for any mistakes he makes and he makes a lot throughout the season. His death in episode 5 reflects his recklessness attitude that we see when we first meet him and when he falls through the floor at the bridge. Also of course you cut out the part when Luke tells Nick that he’s totally on board with locking Clementine in the shed to Nick after they close the doors.
To be fair, I don’t blame people for fawning over Luke considering of all the adults, he’s the most chill towards Clementine other than Pete and Sarita. Of all the characters from season 2, Luke was the character that remained consistent throughout even in death. No they didn’t kill Luke off over some dumb ship some girl made in some RUclips comments, they just wanted to give Kenny more of a fighting chance.
Luke maybe a good character but Carlos ain't either he's a terrible doctor or he trusted that clem might be with Carver because no matter a bite that deep Clem would have had a fever in the morning, and you can clearly see it's too big to be a human bite, a doctor would know this I feel. So he set up a game he knew she would loose and thus be shot in the assumption she was a Walker
6:12 why ain't she got a hat?
I thought it was strange bc I’ve played this a bunch and didn’t know she could lose the hat
Doug video when? Most underrated character in the entire saga because 95% of people picked Carley, me included my first playthrough
Nothing pisses me offmore than lukes death
Great video!
I’ve been wondering for a while now: when are you going to talk about characters from seasons 3 and 4? Or are you planning to talk about those seasons at all?
I suppose you’re first trying to "complete" the characters who made it to season two, at least. That would explain why you haven’t made a video about Clementine or Lilly yet.
9:45 the moment where we hate the devs. And going off script with that breath😂
I think even though Luke's death was badly handled, having it be Luke vs Kenny would've been way too easy of a choice.
How great would it have been for Luke to have survived all of season 2 (with Jane falling through the ice of course) and making it to season 3?? He and Javi would’ve been unstoppable!
This is truly a death I'll never not feel bad about. It was just another example of UNFAIR this fucking universe for them is.
Sucks he didn’t make it he was the best character season 2
after all these years, and i’ll never forgive them for making the final fight be between Kenny and Jane instead of Kenny and Luke
you know Luke was a great person if even Kenny respected him to a certain degree
Typical Bonnie ruining everything!
People misunderstand Lee taught Clem survival.
But it was Luke who taught her altruism
Luke is my third favorite character in the series behind nu 1 lee and nu 2 javier
I always felt like they killed Luke because if he was alive there'd be no choice for the final act because everyone would side with Luke over Kenny or Jane
Besides Lee Clementine Jesus (TWD Game ) and Kenny
Definitely Luke is also in my top 5 favorite characters
People like Luke for the same reasons people like Daryl in the TV series
Besides combat and survival skills
Personality wise people
Like their charming demeanor (since he bagged both bonnie and jane ) and they always takes care of the people they love in the group when people are at their lowest
And are always down for the cause
And dont abandon ship when things get rough
Besides clemetine doing most of the work (because obviously main character playing reasons )
Luke helps clementine most of the time
With scouting the bridge
Helping the group escape from carvers even tho he got caught because he was starving but desperate times happen
With hunger and trailing carvers people for days
And a emotional support to clem and everyone else to fall to
As a 2nd option since kenny wasnt around and when kenny lost someone hed close out from people
Luke deserved better man
I understand that a character being likeable doesn't exempt them from dying; the zombie apocalypse don't discriminate. What I DIDN'T like was the aftermath of Luke's death, obviously the most glaring issue being Bonnie's reaction. If THAT was handled better I think people wouldn't necessarily be happy about his death, but definitely more satisfied leaving it at 'he sacrificed himself for Clem'.
HE WAS THE ONLY GUY WHO CARED FOR SARAH
Luke the goat
Luke should’ve survived the game and been in season 3 that season would have benefited from more recognizable characters. He could’ve died in the final chapter of season 3 sacrificing himself to save Clementine.
Arvo needs a video
Ya lukes death feels a bit stupid especially considering his death in beta which was much sadder ether being left alone with a bite or left bitten with aj. Which honestly hints more to idea luke was a bit of a second lee.
Let Luke live bruh, Jane was kinda bad though 😅
Haayyy Lenny!- in arthur morgan voice
he should've survived
The ONLY good thing about the frozen lake scene is that you can get Bonnie killed
if it was luke and kenny and not jane that wouldve been harder than jane, a idiot, or kenny, a pretty flawed guy but he still chill
I wish the ending was luke vs kenny
6:13 How did you get her hair to look like that? And where's her hat? But if I had to guess, it's a mod
Luke got done dirty