Moona is connected to Ina, as she (more exactly, her goddess side) keeps her from assuming her real form and falling under the influence of the Ancient Ones. In fact, Moona confirmed in a stream that the tentacles shown in the High Tide video were part of Ina.
Um Bae is Chaos it self taken the form of a humanoid rat so I don't think ERB becoming Harbinger of Order has anything to do with Bae. Also Mumei and Bae have connection with each other as Mumei is probably the one that being preventing her from manifesting since well Mumei is an owl and everyone know rats are one of an owl's favorite food. Bae is a rat so Mumei eating Bae's physical body is quite likely which kind of prevent her from manifesting in the physical plane since her physical body kept getting eaten by Mooms.
which obviously imbalance. Bae's power is universe-scale. Liz power is only in hololive earth planet especially in her region, where Justice group patrols. so, your comment here, is not right. and why u get so many likes there for such an inaccuracies...
@@DBT1007 she titled herself as such in a chuuni way still inspired by Baelz, it doesn’t mean she is the literal incarnation. But the ability to become the literal harbinger of order is still possible.
Oh i also forgot Ame is "immortal" at the moment during her final collab Calli said she is not gonna let Ame die ,this one is interesting because this implies another reaper is forbidden to take Ame's soul?
About Kronii and Ame there is a HoloEN repeat (was an audio extracted from the first Kronii birthday),Kronii ask Ame from where she got it but Ame just ran way(using the clock) in said animation Ame is shown using a golden pocket watch and Kronii has a Silver pocket watch ,so Kronii most likely knows who is the legitimate owner and wants to know how Ame got it (obviously)
obviously human in the past. if ame is a human of 2000s, then that pocket watch belongs to someone who lives in 1800s. around the first industrial revolution times and the end of wild west times. mumei knows about that too obviously. but too much informations in her brain. so it drown deep in her memory. she big chance forgot and since ame trying so hard to be British, so we can conclude that it's a collection of someone in UK or even the UK nation itself. either in museum or private collection.
@@squallphin Ame said in her last minecraft stream with Myth that her pocket watch was a gift from Kronii. It makes that HoloEN repeat a little more sad due to the implications.
Shiori might also be Aware of Council's Existence as well as the Ancient Ones and that one Retconed Character considering she's dealt with gods before Also since FuwaMoco and Nerissa are residents of the Underworld they should be Aware of the Underworld Academy and things like Reapers maybe not Calli specifically unless they predate them Edit: I also forgot to mention Biboo might also be aware of Council since her conception was very similar to that of Council both of which being created by the Gods in fact you could argue that Bijou is an embodiment of a Concept herself due to how much Authority she possesses over emotion that she could affect the God's themselves (according to Bijou at least) it is made very clear by Holo that Council Rank's below the Gods if we're ranking Council and Bijou solely via how Much Authority they possess over their respective concept Bijou might outrank Council with maybe the Exception of Baelz the God's imprisoning Biboo could just be them realizing they made an oppsie and tried to bury their mistake cause they made her abilities to potent.
SHIORI IS JUST NOVEL FAN WHO SUDDENLY READ A MYSTERIOUS BOOK. Or maybe some books. shiori life works like.. imagine if you're a girl, love to read novels including those boys love and romance-sexual novel kinda thing like twilight, 50 shades of grey, etc. yes, she reads that kind of books. novels for females... but suddenly she read something like... idk. mumei's journal book, maybe and talk about bibu, things getting dirty right here... the hell is 'gem of emotions'. this is so chuuni and breaking hololive logics. so.. emotions exists because of bibu/ or what
I've headcanoned for a while that the members of promise (Namely the ex Council ones) were responsible for advent's imprisonment. Shiori possessed knowledge forbidden from society, which would have upset Civilisation guardian Mumei Bijou drove people insane & waged wars over her for tens of milleniums, which would no doubt annoy Time warden Kronii Nerissa's singing powers with both horns were seemingly abnormal, and could label her as a freak of Nature in the eyes of Fauna & While FUWAMOCO's reason for arrest still isn't clear, they were described as _a royal pain in the backside,_ so potentially too chaotic for the Chaos embodiment Bae to take care of
I say maybe flip mumei and kroni as I feel like since mumei was close with humans or to be specific “the guardians of civilization ” so I feel like if one being was causing humans to go to wars often over them she would intervene. And kroni being a time warden who oversees everything would probably know about the forbidden knowledge shiori learned of and knows of the problems that knowledge would cause on the world.
Council lore literally written in Sana's Astrogirl MV. at first, there was SPACE personification, SANA. she was alone. we don't know how long she alone. obviously shes not alone because SPACE-TIME are twins. duo/combo stuff. cant happen without one of them missing. But at that time, obviously they don't know how to meet each other. then Sana meet with kronii and bae. this.. is why I don't like how hololive writes bae, chaos, as the element BEFORE HUMANKIND. i mean.. IF THINGS HAPPENS NATURALLY, I WONT SAY IT A 'CHAOTIC MOMENT'. including big bang, supernova, etc. it's all just natural phenomenon. not chaos. but whatever. hololive decided that. so they must find a way to make it SEEMS BELIEVABLE. and then they play around together until.. we don't know how long. then they found earth planet. a planet with a life. so many stuff happen there. probably at that time they visits earth when mumei still not exists yet. and later after mumei exist, they all forced by the Gods of hololive universe to form a group to make things work in order. but council are bored. so that's why in council's ONLY SONG, the theme is about... they tired of doing those tasks and want to be just make everything happy. and with that little bit of chaotic stuff, hololive can exist and later council joining hololive. and later sana leave first.
@@DBT1007 Based on the "Prelude" and "Omen" videos (or at least the way I see it) the personifications (or avatars as they were called there) were created by the gods, as their last work, in a way to both restrict the rampant concepts of Space, Time, Civilization and Nature, since they were clashing with each other. and to give them a purpose, sort of like a pact they need to abide by, which, as you said, is later revoked by them, as they find it to be just a nuisance now. What is interesting is that Chaos is never mentioned up until the very end, when the gods give a vessel to it, rather than create an avatar (which might be just to avoid repetition in the script, but it seems more deliberate). At this point, it is revealed that Chaos was around since the Genesis, but prior to that only disorder is mentioned. Also, the order of creation of the concepts, according to "Prelude" is shown as Space, (Disorder), Nature, Time and Civilization, with IRyS already existing at this point and witnessing it all. So, then canonically "Astrogirl" takes place after Prelude, and shows that the avatars were not banded together by default but were just sent to do their own duty at first. Together with "Rise" (council's song), we see how they start to accept themselves more as individuals and close friends rather than just a council, finishing off with "Our Promise" and more specifically the "Promises" short manga, where they help IRyS to also accept and embrace herself as more than just Hope.
I've thought about Kaela assisting Zeta by forging weapons while Kobo could have gotten involved with an assignment, or was one. Taking the music videos and fan made works into account, Shinkiro taking place before the flashback from Eye of the Storm by Crash Landing Studios would make sense. I understand if both seem far fetched, but it's reassuring to know I'm not the only one who would want their individual and collective lore to have more details elaborated, perhaps with an official anime.
So a very obvious one when HoloX came out was that La+ and Bae are connected due to the lock on La+ and Bae's key. Lorewise it is impossible for them to coexist if either one would awaken hence why both of them are sealed. Bae said in her debut that her collar might be a seal, a bomb or does nothing at all. The seal makes sense since it is mentioned that the gods bestowed a vessel to chaos. Since all of council are avatars this would mean that Sana, Kronii, Fauna and Mumei are the embodiement of there respective concept where as Bae is an incarnation.
Unfortunately I don't know if it has ever been confirmed or not but it's really interesting and would honestly make too much sense. As an embodiment of chaos, Bae is basically the only one who could defeat Laplus in case she regains all of her strength. They're basically each one's antithesis.
One iconic connection I know is Moona and Pekora, since Pekora was once called a moon rabbit, which probably means Pekoland is located on the surface of the Moon, domain of Hoshinova
I would like to add that Koyori is the one who originally created Roboco and sent her back to the past to infiltrate Cover but erased her memories of holoX to maintain their secrecy and avoid anyone from ruining their plans for world domination. Dr. Koyo herself confirmed this. The fact holoX was canonically lurking behind the shadows for this long and had ties to hololive's very first member after Sora is really interesting to think about.
Justice weren't prison guards so much as bounty hunters. If I recall correctly, it was never said that they're responsible for Advent's capture or that they held them in The Cell
I never said that Justice was responsible for capturing Advent and in Justices Trailer Video its at the very least, heavily implied that Justice was responsible for overseeing Advent during their captivity
Love thinking of stuff like this. Not a big deal but an obvious one I'm surprised you left out was all of Council/Promise knowing each other (especially Bae, and IRyS), and there's plenty of fan and/or logical ways to tie them to both Calli (in particular to Fauna) and Ina. A possible addition to one you brought up is adding Ina to your Mio/Miko connection under the same reasoning. I also like to think Bae was actually responsible for Ame getting the watch and that's actually why Kronii never retreives it. Granted I don't know his lore at all but just off of design I think it's not a stretch to think Oga of Holostars could be connected to Nerissa (Rival/Ally/Branch family, political engagement, childhood friends, who knows) Lastly I think it stands to reason that Sana would also be at least very aware of Suisei, and Moona.
About Anya i doubt she is connected with Kaela ,what we know is Anya was involved in a very vicious war ,at the beginning of her 3D DEBUT for a brief moment you can see Anya covered in blood before passing out
In Gura's lore video "Shark'd" we actually see that Irys knew of Gura as she briefly appeared to whisper something to her, which directly led Gura to first discovering Hololive. In the same video Gura ran into Subaru so they also are technically connected, albeit briefly. (Alternatively Marine's SHINKIRO MV shows it was actually Marine who first met Gura when she first went to the surface, but I'm going to assume that this one was noncanon lol.)
@@autismandgaming4532 Council lore did not get retconned, Promise lore is a continuation. The canon lore we got was that after Sana left, IRyS wonders what her role in destiny is so the council girls adopted her. The council girls still got their titles and roles that go with them and IRyS is still a Nephilim that brings hope.
I said this elsewhere but rushia + calli, having your underworld denizens be ripped into the skies is probably not an enjoyable view similarly rushia and ollie, imagine one of the raised fandeads was actually just ollie (I could totally see ollie being a diehard fandad before) I'd also like to imagine ollie has probably escaped calli's clutches but idk how it goes ---- I would also think moomers would have interesting takes on roboco's existence, and just in general all the phenomena and abnormalities surrounding hololive lore because "guardian of civilisation" just sounds vague to me as a divine being construct like what exactly puts her near/on par with the other council members? secretly omnipotent or wut?
Another theory is - for the fellow angsters -, Mumei, the guardian of civilization, and Gura, born from the legendary city of atlantis. Whether she is the only survivor of Atlantis or not, she's probably heard of the shark that wields the mighty trident.
I always thought of hololive being in eras: for example, theres many members that have a japanese based lore, like mio, miko, fubuki, ayame, and iroha that might met at some point.
Mumei and bijou is a pretty good connection Mumei is supposedly a being born of the human concept of civilization and bijou being formed of human emotions in a sense both would be siblings as humanity itself being the proginator of them both with bijou being the ironically short big sister since emotions predate civilization
Ina lore and Moona as you can see tentacle appeared in Moona's High Tide MV Ina and Sana also connect by Ancient One lore I don't know if we should count this or not but Coco crashed land on Yagoo was Ame's doing
@@ColsenRUclips Yea the whole Coco thing started with the meme of Ame sniping Kaichou with a special tranquillizer that make her sound like a drug up Mickey Mouse after crashing on to the Hololive office so it definitely wouldn't count.
If I have to say, some Council members (Not promise) are connected before hololive, or at least have some connection. Like, Fauna (Nature) should know Mumei's (Civilization) existent since Civilization comes from humanity which is a part of Nature. Both Kronii (Time) and Sana (Space) should know each other since under the general relativity theory, time and space and connected and intertwined. This makes Bea (Chaos) the only member in Council who never have a connection with any other Council members. Well, if we look at the new lore the Promise girls (Just switch Sana with IRyS), since Bae is also Entropy, which is also a form of chaos, she can connect with everyone expect HOPE (IRyS). Speaking of Hope, Bijou can also have a connecting with IRyS. OK, this might be stretching it a bit too far, but hear me out. Hope itself is a kind of emotion. Since Bijou is made of emotion, she should also have some Hope in her. Therefore, they are connected, though not like they know each other but they should at least be connected in some way.
REMOVE IRYS. IRYS HAS NOTING TO DO WITH THE GREAT LORE OF HOLOLIVE. she just NEPHILIM. just that. it's her project that named HOPE. shes not truly HOPE. hope is not a thing. it's something you create. edit; and what is NEPHILIM/ it's just like monster from the sky. just that. her realm is like... idk. shes not angel. but also not a demon. if I want to say, she works like Jinn.
zeta also might now about ame because zeta is from the future( in this clip zeta saying it ruclips.net/video/Vq0wUYbPGI8/видео.html also we can see zeta fall throught time in her lore video ruclips.net/video/_7fB-7ZkQGQ/видео.html) p.s this might be all on my head but i feel like i saw a clip about zeta chasing ame and talking to ame abou the future, but this is so long ago i dont really remember T-T
I do not wanted to brag because it might sounded awful or even ridiculous. But watching this video reinforced my belief why using the Abrahamic faiths, the Cthulhu Mythos and the Lesser Key of Solomon in connecting their lores will be the good option. Of course, this is just my personal head-canon. I simply like to share it to hear the respectful opinions of others. Also, you forgot about the possible connection between Lady Ina and Duchess Baezl. The former is a member of the Esoteric Order of Dagon, a cult that worships entities from the Abyss. And the latter herself is one of entities from the Abyss, one of the descendants of Azathoth himself.
the ultimate connection between holomembs is obviously COUNCIL WITH ALL HOLOMEMBS. yes, including those alien holomembs. either alien from other planets(pekora, luna, iofi) or from other universe that not the current hololive universe(risu, reine, nene). - space is about the dimension/universe. whether it's just planets or the breaking dimension/universe stuff, sana is there. involved. - time is time stuff. so far, no holomembs with time lore thing except for ame but ame herself, not that big in time stuff. - earth's nature... lots of animal girls in hololive. obviously part of fauna's play - human civilization.. it's mumei. it controls all human stuff. including the myths. myths created by human mind. human delusioning so hard that it became myths for generations. mumei can just think it's all not real and those myth girls wont exist anymore. except for calli, shes part of death system. also except for ina.. she would just turn into normal human. no more dark magic, and also ame. ame is just ame. no magic except her time travel clock power. - chaos.. uhh even tho not controlling anything, but she is part of everything. hope cover can craft their story carefully. their materials are so rich that it can be a real MMORPG universe kinda thing. or Lord of the Ring or Narnia world kinda thing. a proper fantasy world. if they craft their universe stories carefully. don't be too girly-idol-ly but also don't get too edgy. edit; and I HATE HOW MOONA, OUT OF NOWHERE, PROCLAIMING SHES A MOON GODDESS. LIKE WHAT THE HELL, BRUH. YOU ARE A MODEL THAT CHANGED A JOB TO BE IDOL. guys. whatever you heard or read, Moona's lore is EX-MODEL that turned into an idol now. same like how subaru's lore works. manager club that now an idol. \ the thing is, back in 2020 or something, IN VTUBER WIKI, HER LORE STILL NOT TALKING ABOUT MOON STUFF. But maybe after 2021 or around that, someone add that. that shows that... MOON GODDESS IS NOT HER TRUE LORE. SHE JUST TRYING TO FIT WITH PEKORA. Which... destroying hololive logics. please don't... IF moona is a moon goddess, THEN SHE IS THE MOST POWERFUL MEMBER IN ALL HOLOLIVE. Even tho OFFICIALLY, IT IS COUNCIL THAT THE MOST DIVINE IN HOLOLIVE. And they're not even goddesses. they're just elements. it's okay if u change a bit of your lore BUT it need to relates to your original lore. like how haato still just HIGHSCHOOL GIRL even after she turned into haachama personality. back then haato was tsundere, but haachama is yandere now. and ame, she was detective. but then because her pocket watch, it connects to the time travelling stuff. she use that for some important detective jobs maybe. not for petty jobs. rare usage. that's why shes a bit undetected by kronii. but moona.. the hell bruh. how come a model that want to be an idol suddenly next year proclaiming to be a moon goddess. THATS A LOT OF FORCED STRETCH.
I don't think Moona's lore having her also be a moon goddess is that much of a strech because it still fits her model and name. One of the good things of being a VTuber is they can use their imagination to come up with crazy lore and have fun with it. Also you can use your own imagination to see how things fit into the lore, like if you think it makes no sense that she's a goddess you could imagine that Moona is just being a chuuni girl that thinks she's a goddess by having the Hoshinova persona.
also guys. many of you seems ALWAYS FORGOR about this fact.. EARTH IS PART OF SPACE. don't think 'space' as the region outside of earth. earth itself is part of space. sana can do stuff on earth just like she does on the outside of earth. that's why her limiter works in hololive earth. because holo earth still part of holo universe. part of sana. space is space. room. space is not just 'outer space'
I wouldn't call it harsh? The video is about Hololive members that are connected through lore, so I only include Hololive members. I talked about Mel in my Hololive Manga video, it's not like i don't want to acknowledge her existance, she simply just doesn't qualify for this video...
Koyori and Roboco Koyori said that she's the one that created roboco Shiori and Ina Shiori have all books and the all knowing eyes its possible that shiori already read Ina's Book Council and Moona. Moona is the Moon Goddess Council probably know moona existance Bae and Calli Bae is the embodiment of Chaos and chaos can cause lot of death, they probably met before the start of civilization. Fauna and All Holo Members Fauna can give life with the golden apple its possible that fauna already know everyone existance Sora,Azki,Suisei and Holo Dev_Is 1&2 Sora,Azki,Suisei probably know about Dev_Is when they're still in training to be an Idol. Niko,Botan and Raora Big Cats of hololive they probably meet in the jungle Raora and Promise,Moona Raora have the God's Eye she probably know the existance of other goddesses. Cici and Bibou Cecilia probably the one that defeated biboo in a Battle and capture her since Cecilia is a automaton she doesn't have any emotions. Gigi and Fuwamoco Fuwamoco basically a Cerberus but they just two where's the other one you may ask its Fuwamoco mascot (i forgot the name) Gigi probably defeated fuwamoco and the mascot and gigi take the mascot band aid and put it on her knees as a souvenir.
Pardon me for stirring the pot, but I think the opposition between Advent and Justice reflects the gimmick that had already been going on in HolostarsEN, where the third wave is made up of a group rivaling the organization the first two waves are a part of.
Nah bro, i personally don't care about that stuff and I would say that the Gamers watching my videos are also chill about that (at least i guess, I can't speak for everyone of corse) 🫡
the ame kronii one is just a happy coincidence. ame said her watch was a time travel device in her debut... iirc, and I don't think the idea of kronii was even made by cover yet so it was all just coincidence that they both played with
Moona is connected to Ina, as she (more exactly, her goddess side) keeps her from assuming her real form and falling under the influence of the Ancient Ones. In fact, Moona confirmed in a stream that the tentacles shown in the High Tide video were part of Ina.
I have a theory that ERB became the Harbinger of Order in response to the existence of a Harbinger of Chaos, that being Baelz.
Um Bae is Chaos it self taken the form of a humanoid rat so I don't think ERB becoming Harbinger of Order has anything to do with Bae. Also Mumei and Bae have connection with each other as Mumei is probably the one that being preventing her from manifesting since well Mumei is an owl and everyone know rats are one of an owl's favorite food. Bae is a rat so Mumei eating Bae's physical body is quite likely which kind of prevent her from manifesting in the physical plane since her physical body kept getting eaten by Mooms.
@@CaptainIchimaruGin Mumei literally consuming chaos explains some of her mannerisms...
which obviously imbalance. Bae's power is universe-scale.
Liz power is only in hololive earth planet especially in her region, where Justice group patrols.
so, your comment here, is not right. and why u get so many likes there for such an inaccuracies...
@@DBT1007 she titled herself as such in a chuuni way still inspired by Baelz, it doesn’t mean she is the literal incarnation. But the ability to become the literal harbinger of order is still possible.
Oh i also forgot Ame is "immortal" at the moment during her final collab Calli said she is not gonna let Ame die ,this one is interesting because this implies another reaper is forbidden to take Ame's soul?
Probably Death-sensei
About Kronii and Ame there is a HoloEN repeat (was an audio extracted from the first Kronii birthday),Kronii ask Ame from where she got it but Ame just ran way(using the clock) in said animation Ame is shown using a golden pocket watch and Kronii has a Silver pocket watch ,so Kronii most likely knows who is the legitimate owner and wants to know how Ame got it (obviously)
obviously human in the past. if ame is a human of 2000s, then that pocket watch belongs to someone who lives in 1800s. around the first industrial revolution times and the end of wild west times.
mumei knows about that too obviously. but too much informations in her brain. so it drown deep in her memory. she big chance forgot
and since ame trying so hard to be British, so we can conclude that it's a collection of someone in UK or even the UK nation itself. either in museum or private collection.
@@squallphin Ame said in her last minecraft stream with Myth that her pocket watch was a gift from Kronii. It makes that HoloEN repeat a little more sad due to the implications.
Shiori might also be Aware of Council's Existence as well as the Ancient Ones and that one Retconed Character considering she's dealt with gods before
Also since FuwaMoco and Nerissa are residents of the Underworld they should be Aware of the Underworld Academy and things like Reapers maybe not Calli specifically unless they predate them
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I also forgot to mention Biboo might also be aware of Council since her conception was very similar to that of Council both of which being created by the Gods in fact you could argue that Bijou is an embodiment of a Concept herself due to how much Authority she possesses over emotion that she could affect the God's themselves (according to Bijou at least) it is made very clear by Holo that Council Rank's below the Gods if we're ranking Council and Bijou solely via how Much Authority they possess over their respective concept Bijou might outrank Council with maybe the Exception of Baelz the God's imprisoning Biboo could just be them realizing they made an oppsie and tried to bury their mistake cause they made her abilities to potent.
SHIORI IS JUST NOVEL FAN WHO SUDDENLY READ A MYSTERIOUS BOOK. Or maybe some books.
shiori life works like.. imagine if you're a girl, love to read novels including those boys love and romance-sexual novel kinda thing like twilight, 50 shades of grey, etc. yes, she reads that kind of books. novels for females...
but suddenly she read something like... idk. mumei's journal book, maybe
and talk about bibu, things getting dirty right here...
the hell is 'gem of emotions'. this is so chuuni and breaking hololive logics.
so.. emotions exists because of bibu/
or what
@@DBT1007 might be the other way around. Bijou exists cause of emotions
Holocure 0.7 trailer come up guys lets goooo
I've headcanoned for a while that the members of promise (Namely the ex Council ones) were responsible for advent's imprisonment.
Shiori possessed knowledge forbidden from society, which would have upset Civilisation guardian Mumei
Bijou drove people insane & waged wars over her for tens of milleniums, which would no doubt annoy Time warden Kronii
Nerissa's singing powers with both horns were seemingly abnormal, and could label her as a freak of Nature in the eyes of Fauna
& While FUWAMOCO's reason for arrest still isn't clear, they were described as _a royal pain in the backside,_ so potentially too chaotic for the Chaos embodiment Bae to take care of
VIOLENCE! (rawr)
exTREME violence (baubau)
I say maybe flip mumei and kroni as I feel like since mumei was close with humans or to be specific “the guardians of civilization ” so I feel like if one being was causing humans to go to wars often over them she would intervene.
And kroni being a time warden who oversees everything would probably know about the forbidden knowledge shiori learned of and knows of the problems that knowledge would cause on the world.
Council definitively met eachother before hololive too
Council lore literally written in Sana's Astrogirl MV.
at first, there was SPACE personification, SANA. she was alone. we don't know how long she alone. obviously shes not alone because SPACE-TIME are twins. duo/combo stuff. cant happen without one of them missing. But at that time, obviously they don't know how to meet each other.
then Sana meet with kronii and bae.
this.. is why I don't like how hololive writes bae, chaos, as the element BEFORE HUMANKIND.
i mean.. IF THINGS HAPPENS NATURALLY, I WONT SAY IT A 'CHAOTIC MOMENT'. including big bang, supernova, etc. it's all just natural phenomenon. not chaos.
but whatever. hololive decided that. so they must find a way to make it SEEMS BELIEVABLE.
and then they play around together until.. we don't know how long.
then they found earth planet. a planet with a life. so many stuff happen there.
probably at that time they visits earth when mumei still not exists yet.
and later after mumei exist, they all forced by the Gods of hololive universe to form a group to make things work in order.
but council are bored. so that's why in council's ONLY SONG, the theme is about... they tired of doing those tasks and want to be just make everything happy.
and with that little bit of chaotic stuff, hololive can exist and later council joining hololive. and later sana leave first.
@@DBT1007 Based on the "Prelude" and "Omen" videos (or at least the way I see it) the personifications (or avatars as they were called there) were created by the gods, as their last work, in a way to both restrict the rampant concepts of Space, Time, Civilization and Nature, since they were clashing with each other. and to give them a purpose, sort of like a pact they need to abide by, which, as you said, is later revoked by them, as they find it to be just a nuisance now. What is interesting is that Chaos is never mentioned up until the very end, when the gods give a vessel to it, rather than create an avatar (which might be just to avoid repetition in the script, but it seems more deliberate). At this point, it is revealed that Chaos was around since the Genesis, but prior to that only disorder is mentioned. Also, the order of creation of the concepts, according to "Prelude" is shown as Space, (Disorder), Nature, Time and Civilization, with IRyS already existing at this point and witnessing it all. So, then canonically "Astrogirl" takes place after Prelude, and shows that the avatars were not banded together by default but were just sent to do their own duty at first. Together with "Rise" (council's song), we see how they start to accept themselves more as individuals and close friends rather than just a council, finishing off with "Our Promise" and more specifically the "Promises" short manga, where they help IRyS to also accept and embrace herself as more than just Hope.
@@DBT1007 so the reason Bae is "chaos" is because entropy is what leads to the creation of space and time.
Honestly would love to watch Hololive Lore-based slice of life anime made by Hololive itself. 10/10 would even watch it even if episodes are ppv
Literally holoGra but without the insanity and break-neck pacing.
I've thought about Kaela assisting Zeta by forging weapons while Kobo could have gotten involved with an assignment, or was one.
Taking the music videos and fan made works into account, Shinkiro taking place before the flashback from Eye of the Storm by Crash Landing Studios would make sense.
I understand if both seem far fetched, but it's reassuring to know I'm not the only one who would want their individual and collective lore to have more details elaborated, perhaps with an official anime.
Well Mel is also meant to be said is the prodigy of the academy but uhm not like the hololive website still has her on there…
So a very obvious one when HoloX came out was that La+ and Bae are connected due to the lock on La+ and Bae's key. Lorewise it is impossible for them to coexist if either one would awaken hence why both of them are sealed. Bae said in her debut that her collar might be a seal, a bomb or does nothing at all. The seal makes sense since it is mentioned that the gods bestowed a vessel to chaos. Since all of council are avatars this would mean that Sana, Kronii, Fauna and Mumei are the embodiement of there respective concept where as Bae is an incarnation.
Unfortunately I don't know if it has ever been confirmed or not but it's really interesting and would honestly make too much sense. As an embodiment of chaos, Bae is basically the only one who could defeat Laplus in case she regains all of her strength. They're basically each one's antithesis.
One iconic connection I know is Moona and Pekora, since Pekora was once called a moon rabbit, which probably means Pekoland is located on the surface of the Moon, domain of Hoshinova
I would like to add that Koyori is the one who originally created Roboco and sent her back to the past to infiltrate Cover but erased her memories of holoX to maintain their secrecy and avoid anyone from ruining their plans for world domination. Dr. Koyo herself confirmed this. The fact holoX was canonically lurking behind the shadows for this long and had ties to hololive's very first member after Sora is really interesting to think about.
Justice weren't prison guards so much as bounty hunters. If I recall correctly, it was never said that they're responsible for Advent's capture or that they held them in The Cell
I never said that Justice was responsible for capturing Advent and in Justices Trailer Video its at the very least, heavily implied that Justice was responsible for overseeing Advent during their captivity
I like all this, you getting all these information about the lores
Love thinking of stuff like this.
Not a big deal but an obvious one I'm surprised you left out was all of Council/Promise knowing each other (especially Bae, and IRyS), and there's plenty of fan and/or logical ways to tie them to both Calli (in particular to Fauna) and Ina.
A possible addition to one you brought up is adding Ina to your Mio/Miko connection under the same reasoning.
I also like to think Bae was actually responsible for Ame getting the watch and that's actually why Kronii never retreives it.
Granted I don't know his lore at all but just off of design I think it's not a stretch to think Oga of Holostars could be connected to Nerissa (Rival/Ally/Branch family, political engagement, childhood friends, who knows)
Lastly I think it stands to reason that Sana would also be at least very aware of Suisei, and Moona.
About Anya i doubt she is connected with Kaela ,what we know is Anya was involved in a very vicious war ,at the beginning of her 3D DEBUT for a brief moment you can see Anya covered in blood before passing out
Since we know that Calli collects the souls of Hololive Fans, and Ollie is dead, its fairly likely that Calli personally reaped Ollie's soul
I always liked to think rushia probably met ollie on accident :(
or rushia would have grievances with calli
In Gura's lore video "Shark'd" we actually see that Irys knew of Gura as she briefly appeared to whisper something to her, which directly led Gura to first discovering Hololive. In the same video Gura ran into Subaru so they also are technically connected, albeit briefly. (Alternatively Marine's SHINKIRO MV shows it was actually Marine who first met Gura when she first went to the surface, but I'm going to assume that this one was noncanon lol.)
How did council not come up in the generation groups before hololive?
As far as I'm aware council lore as a whole got retconned
I think that it still exists, but Promise is now just an adventuring group@@autismandgaming4532
@@autismandgaming4532 Council lore did not get retconned, Promise lore is a continuation. The canon lore we got was that after Sana left, IRyS wonders what her role in destiny is so the council girls adopted her. The council girls still got their titles and roles that go with them and IRyS is still a Nephilim that brings hope.
@@w.8372 I mostly meant them being literal gods
Nah they got retconned being gods@@w.8372
Mate, what you just did is hand out fanfic material.
I said this elsewhere but rushia + calli, having your underworld denizens be ripped into the skies is probably not an enjoyable view
similarly rushia and ollie, imagine one of the raised fandeads was actually just ollie (I could totally see ollie being a diehard fandad before)
I'd also like to imagine ollie has probably escaped calli's clutches but idk how it goes
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I would also think moomers would have interesting takes on roboco's existence, and just in general all the phenomena and abnormalities surrounding hololive lore because "guardian of civilisation" just sounds vague to me as a divine being construct
like what exactly puts her near/on par with the other council members? secretly omnipotent or wut?
Kaela is looking for the crystal of Happiness so probably Bijou😂
I have a theory that Shiori stalked Erb since Shiori mentioned stalking a redhead (irl though)
Another theory is - for the fellow angsters -, Mumei, the guardian of civilization, and Gura, born from the legendary city of atlantis. Whether she is the only survivor of Atlantis or not, she's probably heard of the shark that wields the mighty trident.
Ame and Ina too, if we go by Ame's original lore idea.
I always thought of hololive being in eras: for example, theres many members that have a japanese based lore, like mio, miko, fubuki, ayame, and iroha that might met at some point.
Mumei and bijou is a pretty good connection Mumei is supposedly a being born of the human concept of civilization and bijou being formed of human emotions in a sense both would be siblings as humanity itself being the proginator of them both with bijou being the ironically short big sister since emotions predate civilization
Ina lore and Moona as you can see tentacle appeared in Moona's High Tide MV
Ina and Sana also connect by Ancient One lore
I don't know if we should count this or not but Coco crashed land on Yagoo was Ame's doing
The Coco thing really just happened because of Hololive (like the Ame/Gura thing) so I wouldn't say that one would fit in this video
@@ColsenRUclips Yea the whole Coco thing started with the meme of Ame sniping Kaichou with a special tranquillizer that make her sound like a drug up Mickey Mouse after crashing on to the Hololive office so it definitely wouldn't count.
High Tide is specifically its own AU that is exclusively Moona. No Hololive or its members. You can fact check this with the MV's description
PEAK-cure in the background (Can't wait for the new 0.7 Update)
I want hololive EN animated film that would show all the lore
A-Chan and Sora are former classmates, as well as Fubuki and Mio
If I have to say, some Council members (Not promise) are connected before hololive, or at least have some connection. Like, Fauna (Nature) should know Mumei's (Civilization) existent since Civilization comes from humanity which is a part of Nature. Both Kronii (Time) and Sana (Space) should know each other since under the general relativity theory, time and space and connected and intertwined. This makes Bea (Chaos) the only member in Council who never have a connection with any other Council members. Well, if we look at the new lore the Promise girls (Just switch Sana with IRyS), since Bae is also Entropy, which is also a form of chaos, she can connect with everyone expect HOPE (IRyS).
Speaking of Hope, Bijou can also have a connecting with IRyS. OK, this might be stretching it a bit too far, but hear me out. Hope itself is a kind of emotion. Since Bijou is made of emotion, she should also have some Hope in her. Therefore, they are connected, though not like they know each other but they should at least be connected in some way.
REMOVE IRYS. IRYS HAS NOTING TO DO WITH THE GREAT LORE OF HOLOLIVE.
she just NEPHILIM. just that.
it's her project that named HOPE. shes not truly HOPE.
hope is not a thing. it's something you create.
edit; and what is NEPHILIM/
it's just like monster from the sky. just that. her realm is like... idk. shes not angel. but also not a demon. if I want to say, she works like Jinn.
Fubuki and Mio fought the shit out of Ayame in a manga once.
- Tempus Universe is being watched by OmegaAlpha
"given" surreeee
zeta also might now about ame because zeta is from the future( in this clip zeta saying it ruclips.net/video/Vq0wUYbPGI8/видео.html also we can see zeta fall throught time in her lore video ruclips.net/video/_7fB-7ZkQGQ/видео.html)
p.s this might be all on my head but i feel like i saw a clip about zeta chasing ame and talking to ame abou the future, but this is so long ago i dont really remember T-T
Good shout!
Yeah they talked one last time in the ID event, well their training streams they talked about the time travel thing
I do not wanted to brag because it might sounded awful or even ridiculous. But watching this video reinforced my belief why using the Abrahamic faiths, the Cthulhu Mythos and the Lesser Key of Solomon in connecting their lores will be the good option. Of course, this is just my personal head-canon. I simply like to share it to hear the respectful opinions of others.
Also, you forgot about the possible connection between Lady Ina and Duchess Baezl. The former is a member of the Esoteric Order of Dagon, a cult that worships entities from the Abyss. And the latter herself is one of entities from the Abyss, one of the descendants of Azathoth himself.
the ultimate connection between holomembs is obviously COUNCIL WITH ALL HOLOMEMBS.
yes, including those alien holomembs. either alien from other planets(pekora, luna, iofi) or from other universe that not the current hololive universe(risu, reine, nene).
- space is about the dimension/universe. whether it's just planets or the breaking dimension/universe stuff, sana is there. involved.
- time is time stuff. so far, no holomembs with time lore thing except for ame but ame herself, not that big in time stuff.
- earth's nature... lots of animal girls in hololive. obviously part of fauna's play
- human civilization.. it's mumei. it controls all human stuff. including the myths. myths created by human mind. human delusioning so hard that it became myths for generations. mumei can just think it's all not real and those myth girls wont exist anymore. except for calli, shes part of death system. also except for ina.. she would just turn into normal human. no more dark magic, and also ame. ame is just ame. no magic except her time travel clock power.
- chaos.. uhh even tho not controlling anything, but she is part of everything.
hope cover can craft their story carefully. their materials are so rich that it can be a real MMORPG universe kinda thing. or Lord of the Ring or Narnia world kinda thing. a proper fantasy world. if they craft their universe stories carefully.
don't be too girly-idol-ly but also don't get too edgy.
edit; and I HATE HOW MOONA, OUT OF NOWHERE, PROCLAIMING SHES A MOON GODDESS.
LIKE WHAT THE HELL, BRUH. YOU ARE A MODEL THAT CHANGED A JOB TO BE IDOL.
guys. whatever you heard or read, Moona's lore is EX-MODEL that turned into an idol now. same like how subaru's lore works. manager club that now an idol. \
the thing is, back in 2020 or something, IN VTUBER WIKI, HER LORE STILL NOT TALKING ABOUT MOON STUFF. But maybe after 2021 or around that, someone add that. that shows that... MOON GODDESS IS NOT HER TRUE LORE.
SHE JUST TRYING TO FIT WITH PEKORA. Which... destroying hololive logics. please don't...
IF moona is a moon goddess, THEN SHE IS THE MOST POWERFUL MEMBER IN ALL HOLOLIVE.
Even tho OFFICIALLY, IT IS COUNCIL THAT THE MOST DIVINE IN HOLOLIVE. And they're not even goddesses. they're just elements.
it's okay if u change a bit of your lore BUT it need to relates to your original lore. like how haato still just HIGHSCHOOL GIRL even after she turned into haachama personality. back then haato was tsundere, but haachama is yandere now.
and ame, she was detective. but then because her pocket watch, it connects to the time travelling stuff. she use that for some important detective jobs maybe. not for petty jobs. rare usage. that's why shes a bit undetected by kronii.
but moona.. the hell bruh. how come a model that want to be an idol suddenly next year proclaiming to be a moon goddess. THATS A LOT OF FORCED STRETCH.
I don't think Moona's lore having her also be a moon goddess is that much of a strech because it still fits her model and name. One of the good things of being a VTuber is they can use their imagination to come up with crazy lore and have fun with it. Also you can use your own imagination to see how things fit into the lore, like if you think it makes no sense that she's a goddess you could imagine that Moona is just being a chuuni girl that thinks she's a goddess by having the Hoshinova persona.
Council created the universe of course they know each other letalone other holomems
also guys. many of you seems ALWAYS FORGOR about this fact..
EARTH IS PART OF SPACE. don't think 'space' as the region outside of earth.
earth itself is part of space. sana can do stuff on earth just like she does on the outside of earth.
that's why her limiter works in hololive earth. because holo earth still part of holo universe. part of sana.
space is space. room.
space is not just 'outer space'
What about choco and mel
Mel is not a Hololive member, isnt she?
@@ColsenRUclips Mel was sadly terminated, but she's still worth discussing
@ColsenRUclips Damn that harsh man. Its not like you work for the company. It's not like she was completely erased from existence.
I wouldn't call it harsh? The video is about Hololive members that are connected through lore, so I only include Hololive members.
I talked about Mel in my Hololive Manga video, it's not like i don't want to acknowledge her existance, she simply just doesn't qualify for this video...
Are holox and myth somehow related?
Koyori and Roboco
Koyori said that she's the one that created roboco
Shiori and Ina
Shiori have all books and the all knowing eyes
its possible that shiori already read Ina's Book
Council and Moona.
Moona is the Moon Goddess Council probably know moona existance
Bae and Calli
Bae is the embodiment of Chaos and chaos can cause lot of death, they probably met before the start of civilization.
Fauna and All Holo Members
Fauna can give life with the golden apple its possible that fauna already know everyone existance
Sora,Azki,Suisei and Holo Dev_Is 1&2
Sora,Azki,Suisei probably know about Dev_Is when they're still in training to be an Idol.
Niko,Botan and Raora
Big Cats of hololive they probably meet in the jungle
Raora and Promise,Moona
Raora have the God's Eye she probably know the existance of other goddesses.
Cici and Bibou
Cecilia probably the one that defeated biboo in a Battle and capture her since Cecilia is a automaton she doesn't have any emotions.
Gigi and Fuwamoco
Fuwamoco basically a Cerberus but they just two where's the other one you may ask
its Fuwamoco mascot (i forgot the name)
Gigi probably defeated fuwamoco and the mascot and gigi take the mascot band aid and put it on her knees as a souvenir.
Pardon me for stirring the pot, but I think the opposition between Advent and Justice reflects the gimmick that had already been going on in HolostarsEN, where the third wave is made up of a group rivaling the organization the first two waves are a part of.
And how is that "stirring the pot"? 🤔 nice funfact i guess...?
@@ColsenRUclips I was worried that mentioning the Holostars inside any context involving the girls might make some people not happy
Nah bro, i personally don't care about that stuff and I would say that the Gamers watching my videos are also chill about that (at least i guess, I can't speak for everyone of corse) 🫡
the ame kronii one is just a happy coincidence.
ame said her watch was a time travel device in her debut... iirc, and I don't think the idea of kronii was even made by cover yet so it was all just coincidence that they both played with