The Messed Up Origins of Johnny Appleseed
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Where did YOU first learn about Johnny Appleseed? 🍎 And what figure or story from folklore should I cover next? 🧐
Elementary school in the 80s
I have absolutely no idea
First hour Squad
Folk tale
I live in the area that he lived prior to moving to Fort Wayne. I used to be a part of the Scout Troop 106, that he ran from Mansfield to Mt. Vernon to get reinforcements for the Blockhouse in Mansfield during the Indian uprising in 1812. The Blockhouse is still open and on display now from that historical time.
My grandpa was an orchardist and had a tree that he used for practicing grafting. When we were kids, we called it the tree of many apples because it grew different varieties on one tree.
As a European, my first introduction to Johnny Appleseed was...
This video.
Thank you! I learned a lot of new things today.
That’s so awesome! I’m glad to share a little of our culture with ya. Thanks for watching!
I thought you had Disney in Europe
@@fathomgathergood7690We do have Disney in Europe, but Ive never heard of this movie nor Johnny Appleseed
@@fathomgathergood7690 most people have not seen that movie
@@fathomgathergood7690 Yes, we have, but not everything is popular here. Like this is something only hardcore Disney fans would've watched.
Wasn’t there also a thing about property ownership at the time if you planted trees/crops on it, making Johnny one of the largest landowners in US history?
I don't know if he was one of the largest landowner, but I can vaguely remember there beign some long-running legal case about who owned all the orchards he left after he died.
He didn't keep the land. I've heard two interpretations- one was that this was his job. He would create these orchards, raise them until he got legal control of the land, then sold it to other parties from back east. The other interpretation was he was just giving the land away to other settlers.
The Homestead Act required improvement and also living on the claim. Even then: US government stole back anything they want for mining. They still do that through today, actually.
No.
I hear he kinda taught farmers how to take care of the apple trees in a community then leave when they knew enough and mov to the next town so the farmers would own the land and his precious apples would live on
"OH the Lord is good to me and so I thank the Lord for giving me the things I need the sun and the rain and the apple seed the Lord is good to me Johnny Appleseed Amen." This is the grace my public school JK teacher (can't remember her name but I remember her doing this before religion was banned in public schools) would always sing before we ate lunch. It was the first grace I remember learning.
We sang that too, when gratitude to a gracious and benevolent Father were understood!
In Girl Scout camp, it was a grace we only said if it was raining because otherwise it would make it rain. We had other graces to sing for sunny days.
@@cristlejohnson4900 Do they still say grace in the scouts? Might be an American vs Canadian thing cause I think in Canadian scouts they don't encourage religion.
@@davidfitzpatrick6535 Well I'm 37 and back when I was a Girl Scout it was very Christian (you didn't have to be though) our Scout promise for both boys and girls has serving God and our country in it. I know it's been changed a little though. We always sang one fun grace or another at actual camp.
@@cristlejohnson4900 Yeah I think that shows the decade age gap (and possibly country) as im 29 and I remember when I was in JK in 1999 and September 2000 (I moved in October 2000) we sang that at lunch and then in PS we were allowed to advertise for our Church March break (Spring break in the States) camp but when I was in HS the gov't banned religious material in the schools so we're no longer allowed to advertise a bible camp or sing traditional Christmas carols etc. It depends on where u are for example if ur'e in Northern Ontario they still do tradition carols because its f u govt u cant tell us what to do while in the cities like Toronto its very no traditional Christmas songs that mention the Nativity. Some school districts dont even do a holiday concert anymore.
OMG LEOMINSTER THAT'S MY HOME TOWN!! every year we host the Johnny Appleseed Festival in honor of this tale and the man himself. its a fun little block party I've been going to since I was 4 years old. ^^
I'm from worcester, hearing it pronounced like that was so weird😅
I'm from Fitchburg haha was funny to hear Jon say it like that. Everybody does the first few times lol
@@shaylabradwell7651 It's LEM-INSTER, no? I have family from that area we used to go to both Leominster and Worcester (WOO-STER) every summer!
@Kimar7779 yeah but can't blame anyone for mispronounced it, the names here are ridiculous
I'm in Eastie (East Boston for those unfamiliar!) and got a hoot out of his pronunciation! I came to the comments section to see how many folks chimed in with the correct pronunciation 😂😂! Quincy is another fun one to hear pronounced! 😊😊
The Johnny Appleseed gravesite is also the site of the Johnny Appleseed Festival, held around Labor Day. Historical reenactment, music, entertainment, craft vendors, and a farmer's market (which you can buy cider at, fyi) make for a good time, every year.
I grew up believing that Johnny Appleseed was just some dude bebopping around the frontier tossing apples seed as he moseyed along.
Not just me then
Even if Johnny Appleseed's origins aren't all sunshine and rainbows, He's still one of my all time favorite American legends!
Hell, It's because of him back when I was in school I took up a habit of collecting appleseeds every time I ate an apple for lunch! I collected enough seeds to plant an orchard, Though I never did plant any of them.
There was someone in my class who was all about agriculture so we called him Johnny Apple
For me, I was 6'4 so I was Paul Bunyon
@@theanimeunderworld8338 I see, Also fun fact: Even though I never planted any of the appleseeds that I collected, I still kept them all and they're still just sitting in a box to this day. Because you never know I might plant them someday.
I have a jar of apple seeds sitting in my fridge still too, after years of collecting them, that I continue to add to (though I've only sprouted a few of them so far). My main issue holding me back is that I have depression, so when the sprouted lil baby apple plants that I had been taking care of all died when I forgot to tend to them as much as I should, I got too disheartened to try again, until I have the energy to remember to take care of them better. They just sit in that jar for now, waiting for better times to be sprouted and planted. 😅 Someday I'll have a bunch of apple trees, though! 😁
@@Behold_I_am_Egg You could sit and wait for EVER! I have an idea, make one small task a day. Like to brush teeth well, or get dressed, or read one page of a book you want to read. Build on these. We can talk ourselves into catatonia if someone lets us, LOL! One small thing towards my health and well being is a requirement I live by. It may be anything. Connect with life, by watering a plant, feeding your dog, washing your body, or any task that furthers life and connection to it. This advice saved me when I thought I couldn't go on. As well as approaching life by being immensely grateful for what I have, as opposed to bitching about what I perceive as lacking in my life. I think about the fact that I don't have to go to the river and beat my clothes on a rock to clean them, That I store a weeks worth of food at a time because I have a fridge, that I can go 70 miles an hour in a car and be far away in a couple hours. These are amazing and wonderful things. And if I am thinking on these kind of facts.....I forget to get sad and broody. And I didn't have to swallow a pill to do it. I understand that there are conditions that require other approaches and meds, but I wonder if some simple stuff can actually help a lot. So before we haul out the big guns....lets try some small things, and not talk ourselves into being utterly helpless and wishing for some nebulous and ethereal "someday, when I feel better, I will_______(fill in your own blank). Start doing one tiny thing towards "someday" everyday . The results can be surprising. And this comes with a lifetime money back guarantee . You really can't loose.
I heard about Johnny Appleseed from the Disney cartoon one morning as a kid. Thank you for another great video.
me too
Johnny test “Johnny applesauce”
I remember Adam Ruins Everything telling me the real JA created a safer way for people to drink
And that was by creating enough apples for apple cider, which was healthier than the water they had at the time
Th ere are a few history books from the 1800’s at the Mansfield Richland County Public Library in the Sherman Room that have some first hand stories about John Chapman and his heroics during the Native American Uprising in retaliation of the Gnudenhaten massacre near Schoenbraun Village. Shortly after this, he ran over 20+ miles for reinforcements to save Mansfield, Ohio. Local native author to Ohio, Alan W Eckert mentioned some of these stories in his books.
In Girl Scout camp, it was a superstition that singing the "Johnny Appleseed song" would make it rain.
"Leominster " is pronounced "Lemon Stir" Thanks for another great video!
And Pecos is pronounced "Pay-kos" not "Pee-kos."
Wow I’m from Leominster Massachusetts (it’s pronounced lemon stir btw) and I didn’t even know he was a well known name in the rest of the country!
My oldest son is training to be a forest ranger and they say that Johnny Appleseed was the first eco terrorist. They said that he probably ruined more habitats by introducing a foreign plant than helped.
Ruin is a strong word here
not too mention that apples don't grow true to seed - you need to graft cuttings onto a host tree to ensure you get good apples
The last thing anyone worried of back then was eco systems if he was a eco terrorist he wasn't alone at all
@@agentorange81The history of Life was being foreign. "Invasive" species is a rtarded term.
Hell the only actual ecoterrorists are those trying to ban the essence of Life, CO2
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I loved learning about Johnny Appleseed. Love from Brazil.
Swedenborgs books are super fascinating. I can see why Johnny followed it.
Please do messed up origins for...
Robin Hood (thats one Disney classic you have yet to cover)
Sword in the Stone (I know you covered that in the Lion King somewhat but some more would be nice)
Oliver and Company (It is based on Oliver Twist after all)
Who Framed Roger Rabbit (The original book Who Censored Roger Rabbit...wowsers)
Treasure Planet (It is based on Treasure Island)
Tom Sawyer
Three Musceteers
Yes. That sounds cool.
I would like to suggest Davy Crockett and Billy the kid- it ties into the idea of myths and legends
Fort Wayne here. Fun fact about his grave: it's actually one of a dozen or so graves claiming to have his grave, but ours is the oldest one on record. I was taught that we can't know for sure that it is his, but we can show it respect as if it were for the good he did in life. Another little fact about him is that when he would visit families with children, he would make dolls out of dried apples for the little girls because usually there weren't extra materials to give little girls toys to play with. He would take the dried-out apples and make them little old ladies in scraps he had or found so they would have something to play with. There's also a Jonney Apple Seed festival every September here, but that's become a cash grab. It's still cool to see, though, because it's all period, and everyone involved in booths and alike must be in period clothes and sell period items.
you should talk the Mabinogion branch 2 and talk more about King Arthur, Scottish, Irish, Welsh, Norse, and English Mythology. Talk about Tam lin and Thomas the rhymer, and Fionn mac Cumhaill. Talk more about elves, fairies, Tylwyth Teg, and the Tuatha De Danann and the Daoine Sidhe.
Back in the 1940's and earlier, it was common for women to sew dresses from flour sacks, and the companies selling the flour even gave pretty patterns to the sacks for this practice. I can see how a coffee sack would be as good a clothing as any other.
To be honest it’s been a minute since I heard the name Johnny Appleseed
Wow. Totally forgot about Johnny Appleseed. I learned about him in elementary school. I remember being mad at him because I have always hated apples so much. I did love coloring all the activity pages about him tho.
I live in the Leominster area and the town is ALL about Jonny Appleseed. Stores, plazas, schools are all named after him. lol. ❤ also this is one of my fav channels. Never stop posting 😊
I just fan girl squealed that you hearted my comment. lol. 🤣🤗🙃🥰
This was a great video. It's been a while since I watched your stuff and I really enjoyed your dive into the story of Johnny Appleseed.
Im not gonna lie i thought Johnny appleseed was a fever dream that i just made up in my head when i was like 7 because i heard it once and never again until this day.
Nice to see you back with your regular content. It's rare when mythology and reality collide like this
Thanks so much for the Johnny Appleseed video! I learned about him six decades ago and primary School don't really talk too much about him other than he was wandering around the countryside putting apple seeds. Now I know the whole story and it's a lot better than they told us in elementary School😊
Your videos are THE BEST 🙌🏾
Johhny Appleseed is from Leominster MA. (Pronounced Lemon-sta. Its a massachusetts thing we dont pronounce our Rs) . His shrine is on Johnny Appleseed Lane. Ive been there a few times, its a nice setup that the town did for him. I went to JA school for 3rd and 4th grade.
Love you and your videos Jon always got me watching since 2018 😂
wow, mr. beast really caught a stray
I heard about him so long ago I really don't remember the first time. I do know I saw the Disney version. I was pretty aware the apples he was growing wouldn't have been fun eating - without a LOT of sugar anyway.
Oh, while she may not have nation-wide legends about her, Penelope Stout might be an interesting subject for a study... I mean, she was shipwrecked, scalped and partially disemboweled and lived to a ripe old age, some suggest over 100.
I hadn't heard of her so I googled the name. It'll be hard to do a story on her as there are so many variations of her story. Also many historians seemed to have debunked any factual details in all the stories regarding dates of battles and much more. Even withstanding all that she sounds very interesting 💜
@@bunyipdragon9499 I think it would interesting, and going through all the different stories, trying to find the real one. I think the story in "Four Women in a Violent Time" might be the closest. I did read one where her future husband rescued her. And, lots of 'facts' to debunk there.
@@ElicBehexan absolutely it'd make for a good Jon Solo story. Some of the different versions are incredible. Whoever she was and whatever she went through she was certainly inspiring. Thank you for mentioning her 💜
@@bunyipdragon9499 What do Rex Stout, Johnny Depp and I have in common? We are all related to her. My mother was a Stout. I've known about Rex Stout (descended from an older son) for over 40 years. I discovered Johnny Depp on a list of descendants just a few years ago.
I tell people that one great-grandparent came in early settlement days and the other 3 great grandparents had immigrated here.
My father's father's side of the family came with William Penn. His mother's mother's side of the family came from the Bahamas.
Disney was where I first heard of Johnny Appleseed. But this episode is so awesome too. Thank you good sir.
I’m related to him. I did a project on it when I was a kid.
Yes he’s in my family tree. Hi cousin 👋🏻
Awesome as always thanks
Awesome video as ALWAYS! Have you ever read the villains by Disney series? If not there is a great read and interesting story line laced in each one. Would also make a GREAT video or series😊
I was *just* wondering if you’d done this one yet, this is hilarious
I'm a resident of Ontario, Canada. It's pronounced On-Terry-Oh. Dw, you were close. ❤
I was just about to comment
I was scrolling so hard to find if someone corrected him. I’m from Alberta. But damn that hurt hearing Ontario pronounced like that. I actually wasn’t even sure if he was saying Ontario and it was something completely different 💀
@@haileydurovick3846 I was also thrown off at first, but once Canada was mentioned, I knew what he meant.
@@haileydurovick3846 yeah, I had to look at a map to see if he was randomly talking about a specific city in Ohio.
I know I must have read a book, or watched a video, or something when I was little. But the main thing I remember about Johnny Appleseed from when I was a kid is that my brother dressed up as such for several years for Halloween
Your wit made me laugh out loud. I love your channel.
15:55 the IASIP clip tho 🤣🤣🤣🤣 that’s one of my fav episodes too!
This is quite a cool video, Jon.
The earliest memories I have is Jonny appleseed and Paul bunion
That's a dope shirt, Osiris is such a throwback for me
So, I don't know if you are aware or not, but David Crocket was a real person. He died at the Battle of the Alamo and is considered an American hero. While there were legends made up about him killing a bear when he was a toddler, he was a real person. He was originally from Tennesse and was a frontiersman, and a politician. A couple of his belongings along with his hat and rifle are currently on display in the Alamo.
He's got one of the most beautiful Disney shirts endings of all time.
I vaguely recall the cartoon but this video is basically the best summary I can imagine!
So I have a significant memory of Johnny apple seed because I remember learning about him in elementary school and realizing we shared the same birthday, which as a kid I thought was really cool~
I've been lowkey waiting for good ole Johnny.
Great job Jon
When the world's overrun with too much land who's it time for? John Chapman
As a Midwestern I remember kinda learning abou him in school but the first time I GENUINELY think I learned about him was when I started dating my current husband. He grew up in Fort Wayne and when I'd visit before I moved here his family told me all about him. Here in Fort wayne he has a park that once a year host the Jonny Appleseed festival, complete with pioneer cosplay and pioneer themed vendors/shows. Its always super fun. Also we have the tin-caps here the local minor league baseball team with Johnny apleseed as our mascot. A giant mascot man with large bare feet and a tin cap on his head. His family told me the popular version of his story because it is a large part of the Fort Wayne community.
Thanks Jon 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
honestly I probably heard of him from my grandparents first, but I definitely remember the Disney version more clearly
I was introduced in public school in PA. We had Johnny Appleseed day and it was awesome.
My first introduction to Johnny Appleseed was the Disney version when the Disney channel would have a movie on Sundays. It's kinda funny that I never heard of him before, considering my dad was born and raised in Ohio
I would love to see you do a video on Paul Bunyan!
I'm from Fort Wayne, Indiana where they have an annual Johnny Applesead festival...near his burial site... Which confused me as a child being told he's a mythical character lol
Honestly I love your accent so much, the way you said “Ontario” is adorable 😂❤ As a Canadian from Ontario I approve.
I go to the Johnny Appleseed Festival every year - seen that grave many many times
Funnily enough, I clicked on your channel cause I was always told by my grandfather when I was a young boy that Johnny Appleseed was in our church, he also told me that Helen Keller was part of our church, I always kind of wondered if he was just spinning tales, but low and behold we are members of the new church in Glenview IL, our main branch in the US is located in BrynAthyn PA (just outside of philli). I will say thankfully we don't still really follow the original teachings of Swedenborg (they are pretty bizarre), it is a pretty liberal branch of Christianity though still with a big focus on spirituality. There are actually branches around the English speaking world with a big following in South Africa. Found it interesting that you actually brought up that info and the fact that my late grandfather had been telling me the truth brought a smile to my face and warm memories of him. I enjoyed your video alot, thank you, look forward to more interesting vids.
It's nice to see a fan of Fridays with Frank ( Deputy Frank Sloup Pinal County, Az ) using a clip with him using the Johnny Appleseed reference.
I was about 10 and my parents had a bunch of old 78s in a cabinet just outside my bedroom. In them was a set of records of the complete sound track of Dennis Day and Disney's Johnny A. I listened to them a lot as I didn't have a lot of other things to play with and really liked his non-fatal version of developing the West.
I went to college in Fort Wayne Indiana and they have a huge Johnny Appleseed Fest every year at the park where he's buried.
Their Minor League baseball team is also called The TinCaps, which is kinda fun. lol
Ok that one sunny refrence made me a fan , 😂
Jon solo I truly love all of your amazing folklore messed up origin videos on all kinds of video game characters folklore and I wonder if you ever might do some stuff about anime stuff explain one day you doing some anime stuff would be awesome too on the channel and Greek mythology and Norse mythology videos😊❤❤❤ we love you so much ❤
This one was a lot of fun
I grew up with the Disney read along record book set and then heard about him again in 4th grade Indiana history. I love me some apple cider hard and otherwise. Thanks John Chapman ❤
So basically a missionary planting some apple seeds along the way.
The city of Pittsburgh got rid of our apple trees in our neighborhood that were around the playground they tore down and left the land empty for almost a decade before building a market thats now closed. Inner city problems. This is actually inspiring 🍎 🌳
You have ruined all of my childhood favorites…..and I love you for it! Keep em coming! 😎👍🏿
The first time I heard the name Johnny Appleseed was in the animated show Johnny Test. I forget the name of the episode, but in it, the titular Johnny Test learns about the story of Appleseed, which inspires him to become "Johnny Applesauce" when the lunch lady refuses to serve applesauce to the kids.
This isn't where I first heard about him but my first thought was his planting the trees for apple cider might be the inspiration for Johnny Applesauce giving all the kids applesauce. XD
Good video Jon. True those cartoons may not be historically accurate but honestly, does anyone watch cartoons for accuracy? Still, I learned something new today so for that I say thank you. Keep up the good work!
I'm related to David Crockett and my great great great grandfather was corporal under Crockett who was a sergeant at the battle of Pensacola, he was married to a Crockett female. My family and his were intermarried by a few members. My great great great grandfather later fought in the battle of New Orleans. Crockett was not any kind of hero, he paid someone to fight for him but did redeem himself in Texas but he abandoned his fellow soldiers and family before that.
I first learned about Johnny Appleseed when I was 6. Ain’t NOBODY told use about him making booze…Nobody!😅😅😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'm from the Netherlands and I was introduced to Johnny Appleseed by you.
That painting of Johnny Appleseed makes it look like he’s Lincoln wearing a disguise
Gebbers owns most of Johnny's land now. Gebbers is a mean rich old man here in okanogan county
Edit: you didn't mention that in Washington state all the apple orchards he planted became his land by state law and so he was one of the richest land owners with the most land in all of the state. When he died that land got bought and began to be sold and passed on. Because of all this johnny Appleseed is really well known in Washington State.
First i heard of Johnny Appleseed was on an episode of the Johnny Test cartoon where Johnny Test had to do a school project on Johnny Appleseed, i specifically remember Appleseeds protrayal was of this poor looking bumbling silly man that just wanted to plant apple seeds
I learned about Johnny Appleseed in school. Of course, I later learned when I was a teen that he planted cider apples from my history teacher.
Wow the Oregon Trail, I used to love that game!! U must've been born in the 80s like me...
I'm from Ohio, and they really pushed him and John Clem as larger than life local heroes in school. Also, in Mount Vernon is a historical marker of a John Chapman Early Land Holding (no trees there currently).
This video was great!
My first introduction was from a birthday card that was from Johnny Appleseed (not really).
The bank my mom worked at used to do this weird thing where they sent out birthday cards but it was from him for some reason. I was too little to understand or know why and they no longer do it so I’m not sure. I just remember it seemed normal to me even though I had no clue who this guy was as a kid
Slavic folklore has Яблочный Спас [Yablochniy Spas, or something, I don't know] and he didn't even get a mention!
That description of his clothing makes him sound like a Hobo Dobby... Dobby the House(less) Elf?
What a fascinating human, if the details are even just 'mostly true'.
I am a cider Maker by trade and talk about John Chapman in the tasting room. People still make cider today on the East Coast of America from the apples he planted
I’m from Indiana and he was a huge deal when I was in elementary school. I use to go to school in a small town about 45 mins away from Fort Wayne.
Being from NewEngland and hearing you pronounce it Leo-minster kills me!! 😂. It's pronounced Lemon-stir .
One of the poems
Dude, it's even crazier than that... "Leominster" is actually pronounced-I kid you not-lemon-stirr." Johnny Appleseed was born in a town called LEMON(ster)!
You would literally have to swallow hundreds of apple seeds in a single sitting for them to poison you.
I learned about tall tales and american folk lore (including Johnny Appleseed) in Elementary school.
Johnny Appleseed attended these Indian gatherings for gift exchanges to broker deals between settlers and Indians. Hard cider was served. John Chapman and John Connor kept peace and prosperity with the Indians. Johnny Appleseed's eccentric behaviors were attributed to alsheimer because they came later in life. Thank You for sharing this story he was a true American 🇺🇸 hero. Peace through trade.
That Jonny Appleseed Movie is my introduction for the first time.
I was first introduced to johnny appleseen in the episode johnny applesauce form johnny test on cartoon network
Disney was my first introduction to Johnny Appleseed. ....and now I will have that Johnny Appleseed song I learned in church stuck in my head!!! 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
Supposedly he planted an orchard down by Old Man's Cave in the Hocking Hills State Park🍏🍏🍏
Me: Vachel???
Jon: I KNOW