The Messed Up Origins of The Lion King | Disney Explained - Jon Solo

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  • I once believed that Lion King was based on Hamlet... not only was I wrong, the REAL origins are more complicated than I could have ever imagined... ಠ_ಠ
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  • @ImCassy
    @ImCassy 5 лет назад +658

    Lion King doesn't seem too similar to Hamlet with a few exceptions, but Lion King 2, Simba's Pride is very similar to Romeo and Juliet. They leaned into Shakespeare the second time around for sure....well except the ending. That is very different haha

    • @anneliesew4853
      @anneliesew4853 3 года назад +8

      I'm sometimes a little sad they never kill the characters at the end but you can't have everything lol

    • @night4263
      @night4263 3 года назад +8

      @@anneliesew4853 you want Kovu and Kiara to die? damn

    • @karolinakuc4783
      @karolinakuc4783 3 года назад +4

      @@anneliesew4853 Do not kill characters? Like what Zira and Scar do not count. Besides now Disney films often do not even kill villains as they prefer redemption arcs.

    • @brendenroberge7424
      @brendenroberge7424 2 года назад +2

      I agree. In Simba’s future, his pride has an enemy lion pride, he wants his daughter to avoid.

    • @christopherjimenez4578
      @christopherjimenez4578 2 года назад +3

      Even the movie about Timon and Pumba is a, somewhat, reference to Shakespeare taking on a parody of Hamlet in which they tell the story from the point of view of 2 characters who are responsible of the events of the original story, can't remember the name, but's cool
      Its called Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead

  • @helenkrane6313
    @helenkrane6313 5 лет назад +1541

    The breakdown on archetyps would be very interesting!

  • @jazzsax357
    @jazzsax357 4 года назад +283

    Wait a minute. If Lion King was "allegedly" their first original story, on what was Lady and the Tramp based?

    • @molybdomancer195
      @molybdomancer195 4 года назад +72

      according to wikipedia a book called "Happy Dan, The Cynical Dog," by Ward Greene

    • @Oturan20
      @Oturan20 2 года назад +6

      The Lion King is a loose adaptation of Hamlet.

    • @kaiser9109
      @kaiser9109 11 месяцев назад +5

      @@Oturan20wouldn’t say that after watching the video, considering hamlet was inspired by an older story

    • @amyschildgamerlive4519
      @amyschildgamerlive4519 2 месяца назад +1

      ​@@Oturan20no it was a blatant copy of Kimba actually :)

    • @omarvazquez4075
      @omarvazquez4075 2 месяца назад +4

      ​@@amyschildgamerlive4519 kimba and the lion king are nothing alike

  • @Ish_on4k
    @Ish_on4k 4 года назад +74

    Solo you can literally talk about how gum gets stuck under a shoe and I'll still watch it!!!!!

  • @hailedspace25
    @hailedspace25 5 лет назад +707

    It’s actually really weird you’ve never done Lion King before lol

  • @DonnyHoferIRL
    @DonnyHoferIRL 5 лет назад +177

    I watched the Lion King with my kids a few weeks ago for the first time in a few years and I'm not crying you are

    • @meltingdoggo4647
      @meltingdoggo4647 5 лет назад +5

      Donald Hofer I never cry in a movie, I don’t get it. If it’s not real then why care at all, for example: any “heartwarming coming of age” film I never watch. Because all it is is cheesy crap attempting to even be remotely good, even though it always fails for me. I’ll only cry if something real, and really really really sad happens. A movie is not real, so does not deserve real emotion. Also the “I’m not crying you are!” Is super overused and almost as cheesy as the films that makes people say that.

    • @meltingdoggo4647
      @meltingdoggo4647 5 лет назад +1

      I’m not the only one am I?

    • @lehahiah81
      @lehahiah81 5 лет назад +1

      @Tingle gamer I think it's different when it comes to a show compared to a movie, because the longer the amount of time you are with a character the more you are going to feel for them. A movie doesn't give us nearly enough time to get used to the character compared to someone in a show, game, or book does.

    • @LooneyTiksCrap
      @LooneyTiksCrap 5 лет назад +2

      Getting emotional over a movie simply means that a person is invested in what they are watching at least for the duration in which they are watching it. Of course we know it's all fake. Crying over a movie is kind of on par with getting scared over a movie for this reason. The events never happened, they just got in a person's head. Nothing wrong with feeling emotions over a movie, so long as it doesn't interfere with your real life. Some people are just more sensitive than others.

  • @peppermintparasite
    @peppermintparasite 5 лет назад +105

    "Your son is awake." "Before sunrise, he's your son."

    • @Tasoq
      @Tasoq 4 года назад +5

      Because the light wasn't touching him yet lololol

    • @men_del12
      @men_del12 4 года назад +4

      "But honey, you're the one who make me have him."

    • @anneliesew4853
      @anneliesew4853 3 года назад +1

      My parents right there

  • @Homie_Naledi_9424
    @Homie_Naledi_9424 5 лет назад +325

    Here's a quote in relation to the Kimba situation:
    (Takayuki Matsutani, president of Tezuka Productions in Tokyo, said there is some similarity between the animated creations on two counts: the son grows up to be the king's successor after his father's death, and the symbolic scene where Simba stands on a rock in "The Lion King," whereas in the Japanese version, the opening scene has Kimba standing on a rock. He also agreed there were similarities in the baboon, the bird, the hyenas and the evil lion.
    "However, quite a few staff of our company saw a preview of 'The Lion King,' discussed this subject and came to the conclusion that you cannot avoid having these similarities as long as you use animals as characters and try to draw images out of them," Matsutani said.
    "If the Disney Co. had gotten a hint from 'The Jungle Emperor,' Osamu Tezuka, a founder of our company, would have been pleased," he continued. "And, we feel the same way, rather than making a claim.
    "Therefore, our company's general opinion is 'The Lion King' is a totally different piece from 'The Jungle Emperor' and is an original work completed by the Disney production's long-lasting excellent production technique.")

    • @ritzy2975
      @ritzy2975 5 лет назад +8

      How long did it take to write that

    • @malpaul
      @malpaul 5 лет назад +68

      That is very gracious of them. Doesn't mean Disney didn't lie about it. No one in huge animation company not knowing about an internationally known cartoon? None of their animators, lawyers, publicists, archivists? C'mon...what a load of horseshit.

    • @RandomPersonProbably
      @RandomPersonProbably 4 года назад +16

      malpaul There isn’t really too many similarities between them except design, and people at Disney including the voice of simba said they’ve heard of Kimba before.

    • @DaveDrawsAnime
      @DaveDrawsAnime 4 года назад +44

      disney is the thomas edison of production companies.

    • @Yasashiao
      @Yasashiao 4 года назад +25

      Even if the story is different, it still copies quite a lot when it comes to visuals and all of that. Things like using the back legs to push the bad guy in the air and over the cliff, the sunset, the roar at the end of the huge battle, Zazu and the other similar bird in Kimba, and the scar on both of the villains. Those are just *a few* similarities.

  • @tigerqueen007
    @tigerqueen007 5 лет назад +398

    Can you please do the origins of Thumbelina? Please!

  • @JKB-qp6sf
    @JKB-qp6sf 5 лет назад +391

    Great Job (Always). Are you going to do "Robin Hood" "Mr. Toad" " The Lady and The Tramp" "The Sword in the Stone" and "Oliver & Company"?

    • @darkashtar
      @darkashtar 5 лет назад +7

      I kinda hope if does do the sword and the stone he covers Le Morte d'Arthur (the death of Aurthur) which covers his death at the hands of Mordred. It really is a very dark and twisted.

    • @zakfett92
      @zakfett92 5 лет назад +2

      @@darkashtar More likely he'd mention The Once and Future King.

    • @darkashtar
      @darkashtar 5 лет назад

      @@zakfett92 we'll have you read about the death of Aurthur? It really is a fascinating tale

    • @natishabobb3156
      @natishabobb3156 5 лет назад +2

      I'd love it , if he did Oliver and company

    • @8Forester
      @8Forester 5 лет назад

      Mr. Toad would be SO GOOD!

  • @theoperator3712
    @theoperator3712 5 лет назад +96

    You forget the true origin of The Lion King's story though. For that you need look no further than the mythos of Ancient Egypt. Just swap Mufasa for Osiris, Scar for Set, and Simba for Horus. Almost exactly the same plot.

    • @richardranke7878
      @richardranke7878 5 лет назад +21

      There are only a few basic plots for stories and they have been recycled for centuries. I heard someone say,"People have been writing stories for 5,000 years and they used up all the original ideas during the first 500."

    • @theoperator3712
      @theoperator3712 5 лет назад +8

      @@richardranke7878 This is true. My point was that Jon never actually finished getting to the bottom of the origin. I'm well aware of archetypes.

    • @molybdomancer195
      @molybdomancer195 4 года назад +3

      Hm apart from Simba/Horus's mother becoming impregnated by Mufasa/Orisis after his death by use of magic - but that wouldn't be family-friendly enough for Disney :)

    • @ratgirl34
      @ratgirl34 4 года назад +2

      @@molybdomancer195
      Also Mufasa wasn't brought back from death three or so times by his wife. And I feel like Mufasa would have done something about Scar after the first time...
      And not only that, but several versions of how Horus eventually ascended the throne involve competing with Set and them being equally matched in pretty much every way, the other gods were about to give Set the throne due only to him being older and more experienced and Osirus piped up from the underworld with, "Do NOT make me come up there. I WILL bring an army." And thus Horus was crowned.

    • @incasolja1
      @incasolja1 4 года назад +8

      actually the real african history of sundiata keita the founder of maliian empire is the real historic lion king literally called that and his story is nearly verbatim to disneys version.

  • @milmil5350
    @milmil5350 4 года назад +342

    They should've just owned up to the fact that it was Kimba inspired. Japan would've seen it as an honor and *it'd be a homage to Tezuka and Walter's friendship.* Disney chose to be an @$$ instead and rip off a dead man before the corpse got cold. *Like they've done to Stan Lee.*

    • @kiralee7942
      @kiralee7942 4 года назад +13

      I really didn't understand on what you meant by Stan Lee but even Stan Lee wasn't the only person who wrote the comics and I completely get that it may have been a Kimba rip off but I'd suggest looking at @King Bolt's comment which as far as Im concerned pretty much says that it would be better for their friendship and Walt Disney wasn't dumb so he would have known about the benefits of that so my personal opinion is that please give evidence before you make a claim in the comments.

    • @kiralee7942
      @kiralee7942 4 года назад +9

      And also if you really want to make an accurate claim watch Jungle Emperor Leo as well. If you are extremely interested I would suggest doing as much research as you can on more that 5 websites before you make a claim and remember to credit them. The idea of watching that was from @sinister Sweet. PLEASE double check so you dont misinform someone.

    • @almahayworth4280
      @almahayworth4280 4 года назад +5

      Kiralee Heinz mm My personal opinion is that you study up on your grammar and basic English before you put your own brainless statements out there.

    • @luhvva
      @luhvva 4 года назад +1

      they killed him for the plot 😳🧏🏽‍♂️. stay "WOKE"

    • @sallytheuselessbird
      @sallytheuselessbird 4 года назад +7

      Ugh, I knew it wouldn't take long to find a comment like this! It was a coincidence!

  • @yuialcane9583
    @yuialcane9583 5 лет назад +882

    It is pretty sad that the company that owns Kimba wasn't able to do much of anything. Hopefully Kimba gets more recognition

    • @santiinx737
      @santiinx737 5 лет назад +15

      Yui Alcane It has been stated to be the Lion King of Japan, it’s the mascot of one of their teams

    • @yuialcane9583
      @yuialcane9583 5 лет назад +32

      @@santiinx737 I mean recognition outside of Japan

    • @mikepellerin4611
      @mikepellerin4611 5 лет назад +31

      I grew up in the 1960s. Kimba, Speed Racer and Gigantor were all syndicated on our local UHF stations. I seem to recall Kimba came on before Dark Shadows, but I had to switch to VHF to catch Dark Shadows. For those who don't know; VHF was your 1-13 channels, and UHF was the larger number channels like 38, 56 and 27. It took two indoor antennas to get the TV channels. Rabbit Ears for VHF and Loops for UHF. If your Dad was into Popular Science Magazine, he usually erected a large stand-alone antenna on the roof.
      I remember my Dad saying: Nobody will ever pay for FREE TV. Guess who bought the first Video recorder and had our whole 3-tenement building wired with Cable! Yup! My Dad.
      Sorry I hijacked your post. Sometimes Dad stories need to be told. :)

    • @vivienneclarke2421
      @vivienneclarke2421 5 лет назад +15

      As a 4- 5yr old child in the late 60's I LOVED Kimba. I would make ears like his using paper and bobby pins, or sometimes pink ones like his gf Kitty,,and play imaginary games.....🤣(I was an only child with a vivid imagination lol!)

    • @selcouthnosvkota6214
      @selcouthnosvkota6214 4 года назад +3

      I loved kimba as a kid...

  • @JonSolo
    @JonSolo  5 лет назад +291

    Thank you for watching, SoloFam! I had a lot of fun making this and I hope you like how it came together! Don't forget to check out our merch (link in description), hit the like button, and subscribe for more! (☞゚ヮ゚)☞
    Edit: I meant Savannah... not Sahara... 🤦🏻‍♂️

    • @nourrasoul9123
      @nourrasoul9123 5 лет назад +2

      Jon Solo yesss. i was waiting for thissssss thank uuuu

    • @Ryann.56
      @Ryann.56 5 лет назад +1

      Yay

    • @DryBones271
      @DryBones271 5 лет назад +3

      Thing is.... we don't know who Nala's dad is... there aren't any other male Lions in the pride... so either Nala is the daughter of Scar (which would make her Simba's cousin) or Nala is a daughter of Mufasa and another Lioness making her Simba's half-sister. Or her dad is just some shmoe Lion, who had a one night stand with Nala's mom.

    • @sandrixhozart7838
      @sandrixhozart7838 5 лет назад +4

      Sometime in the future can you do my Oliver twist

    • @bigmandaniell694
      @bigmandaniell694 5 лет назад +1

      Hey Jon Solo. Do you know there is a lion king 2? Just wondering.

  • @gabe8072
    @gabe8072 3 года назад +21

    most visual similarities between kimba and the lion king are actually from post lion king productions of kimba
    YMS did a huge breakdown of why the lion king is misinterpreted as being inspired by kimba that i would recommend if you are interested

    • @Alejandroigarabide
      @Alejandroigarabide 3 года назад +4

      I was thinking of comenting the same but decided to check if someone had comented before just in case. I can tell you're a person of culture! Keep spreading the truth!!!

  • @psycologo121
    @psycologo121 5 лет назад +52

    Now that I know anime Bambi exist, all I can do is picture Bambi with super siyan hair.

  • @SN0Ww1te
    @SN0Ww1te 5 лет назад +247

    Would love to see a mini-series. Have you thought of making "Messed up Origins" of Nursery Rhymes or am I a bit late in my suggestion?

    • @devanpitts3799
      @devanpitts3799 5 лет назад +8

      Crafty Cat Chick yea he has those on here too.

    • @SN0Ww1te
      @SN0Ww1te 5 лет назад +5

      @@devanpitts3799 Thanks - will check it out =)

    • @tpgjspeed495
      @tpgjspeed495 5 лет назад +3

      @@devanpitts3799 which ones?

    • @McEezy94
      @McEezy94 5 лет назад +3

      Spoiler alert: Most of em were extremely racist

    • @lt.patterson6081
      @lt.patterson6081 4 года назад +1

      Ring around a roseys came from the black death,I think.

  • @_forg_3047
    @_forg_3047 5 лет назад +113

    I was just watching The Lion King. Now it will never be the same....

    • @GAMEBOIMARCUS
      @GAMEBOIMARCUS 5 лет назад +7

      It's fine, the only thing Disney was wrong in was calling it an original story.

    • @alexanderchristopher6237
      @alexanderchristopher6237 5 лет назад +1

      @@GAMEBOIMARCUS tell me one example of original story/movie nowadays without drawing any reference to the past.

    • @GAMEBOIMARCUS
      @GAMEBOIMARCUS 5 лет назад +1

      @@alexanderchristopher6237 Why?

    • @piriyaj1347
      @piriyaj1347 5 лет назад +2

      Liars are liars. Even the Japanese admitted it when they got ideas from Bambi to make Kimba. But of course some just have to shamelessly announce ‘originality’

    • @GAMEBOIMARCUS
      @GAMEBOIMARCUS 5 лет назад

      @@piriyaj1347 And that was the only thing and it was pointless. The Lion King was like their 32nd film, no one cared if it was inspired or original.

  • @ActiveAdvocate1
    @ActiveAdvocate1 3 года назад +23

    The Kimba thing is BS because, while, yes, "Simba" rhymes with it, it's also the Swahili word for "lion", as "Mufasa" is the Swahili for "king". And I believe "Nala" means either "princess" or 'queen", but I'm not certain which one.

    • @JStryker47
      @JStryker47 2 года назад +4

      "Nala" means "gift", actually. But yeah.

  • @HulluitsCece
    @HulluitsCece 4 года назад +43

    Mufasa’s death still hurts 😿🥺😩 that wound will never hear I’m tellin you

    • @megancrager4397
      @megancrager4397 3 года назад +1

      😭😭😭😭😭

    • @ashaya2475
      @ashaya2475 3 года назад +3

      only time cats didn’t land on their feet 😻

  • @StainedBrain
    @StainedBrain 5 лет назад +182

    I hope he talks about Kimba the White Lion.
    Yay

    • @JonSolo
      @JonSolo  5 лет назад +29

      Oh, I do :)

    • @mysryuza
      @mysryuza 5 лет назад +4

      I was fearing that because of possible bias and tunnel vision like a lot of Kimba fans have done. Gets old real fast.

    • @StainedBrain
      @StainedBrain 5 лет назад +31

      @@mysryuza I was hoping for it because the same can be said for The Lion King fans. 🤷‍♀️ Saying that Kimba is a rip-off. There was a lot of comments like that in a Kimba the White Lion video. People still thinking that it's a rip-off even though it was made 50+ years before. Many many people. Apparently they can't read descriptions, listen to videos or do proper Google searches. 🙃 Now, reading "Kimba is a rip-off with ugly animation!!" Gets old fast.
      This is coming from someone who grew up on The Lion King, loves it, but can't ignore Disney's wrong doing. I think it's okay for people to spread the word. There's a lot of misinformed people. His videos are about getting details on where the stories originated from. There's too many similarities to just ignore this. So I kinda expect him to add it in, but of course he didn't have to though.

    • @MrAnthonyIII
      @MrAnthonyIII 5 лет назад +16

      @@mysryuza It's not bias or tunnel vision to call out that "The Lion King" is based on "Kimba". It's just presenting the facts. I'm not a "Kimba fan" and I barely heard of it until now. But the evidence is undeniable

    • @gargoyles9999
      @gargoyles9999 5 лет назад +1

      MrAnthonyIII Disney did it better

  • @ouch3420
    @ouch3420 5 лет назад +194

    You know what.. My math test can wait

    • @ouch3420
      @ouch3420 5 лет назад +2

      Dah rainbow wolf 12 right 😂

    • @JonSolo
      @JonSolo  5 лет назад +6

      lmao just promise me you'll get to it!

    • @ouch3420
      @ouch3420 5 лет назад +4

      Jon Solo I make no promises mwahaha

    • @raven3067
      @raven3067 5 лет назад

      @@ouch3420 Lol! That's funny

    • @ouch3420
      @ouch3420 5 лет назад +1

      Haha thanks@@raven3067

  • @matthagen67
    @matthagen67 5 лет назад +231

    Scar and Jafar are the greatest Disney villains ever.

    • @officialjojoxwolf3306
      @officialjojoxwolf3306 5 лет назад +14

      Alucard J.B M.P I agree, also I quite like Mother Gothel from Tangled

    • @fishramen5390
      @fishramen5390 5 лет назад +30

      And Hades, he's too sassy XD,, I like him

    • @AshaEll
      @AshaEll 5 лет назад +9

      I agree on Scar n Hades

    • @skyden24195
      @skyden24195 4 года назад +18

      Maleficent...the only Disney villain to say the word "Hell."

    • @waihonglai9636
      @waihonglai9636 4 года назад +8

      No. Two words.
      Shan Yu - Mulan

  • @prolender1
    @prolender1 5 лет назад +32

    Yes, please do the Archetype Overview Series. --- This was a great video for such a short edition it sure contained a ton of content!

  • @d.sack2727
    @d.sack2727 5 лет назад +121

    Please do a King Arthur / Sword In The Stone video.

    • @theoperator3712
      @theoperator3712 5 лет назад +2

      Entire documentaries have been dedicated to trying to figure out the true origins of that one.

  • @antifagoat6591
    @antifagoat6591 5 лет назад +149

    Obsessive Kimba fan here to make a small correction… Kimba's original name in Japan is Leo, so Tezuka didn't use the Swahili name. That was the American translators' decision.
    I've heard that it was actually taken from a producer who frequently called his daughter "Kimba" as a shorthand for "Kimberly." However, that was only something I read from a fan site without any verification. It would be pretty cool if the translators new about the word "Simba" and created the name Kimba around that, but given how generic the other characters' names are (in both the English and Japanese versions) I doubt it.
    As for the inspiration theory, I think that Disney was hoping to remake Kimba or at least make a Kimba-like movie shortly after Tezuka's death in 1989. However, they realized that they couldn't acquire the rights and the director team changed enough to where the crew made a unique story with some unfortunate parallels thanks to early concept art and possibly artists recycling inspiration. I highly recommend anyone watch some "Jungle Emperor Leo" yourselves and come to your own conclusions.

    • @WAKE_ME_UP_WHEN_JUNE_ENDS
      @WAKE_ME_UP_WHEN_JUNE_ENDS 5 лет назад +12

      Thanks for being so open-minded about it.
      I like both Kimba and the lion king, and do not think anything of it and simply love them separately.
      However some fans must continuously accuse one another of theft and whatnot.
      I totally agree with you, by the way!

    • @anneliesew4853
      @anneliesew4853 3 года назад +4

      If you ask me, I think they took most of their inspiration from Hamlet and the other stories mentioned in the video, and most of the slight similarities are coincidences. I love that you're very polite and opened minded about it though. One of the biggest similarities are the villains. Claw and Scar. The fact that they're dark skinned? That's a coincidence. It's extremely common for animators to make the villains much darker then the other characters to further drive the point across that they're evil goth villains lol. Hades from Hercules for example. He's much darker skinned than the other gods of Olympus. And this makes sense since he's the king of the Underworld.

    • @curlyfries2956
      @curlyfries2956 3 года назад +1

      @@anneliesew4853 racism kinda I guess

    • @Chiller-pc1dv
      @Chiller-pc1dv 2 года назад +2

      @@curlyfries2956 Well, not necessarily, the whole idea of dark and light as a trope is pretty much everywhere.

    • @curlyfries2956
      @curlyfries2956 2 года назад +1

      @@Chiller-pc1dv I know, I was joking

  • @The0ne_alaia
    @The0ne_alaia 4 года назад +31

    I just realized that he’s wearing a lion king shirt

  • @patricequeen1156
    @patricequeen1156 5 лет назад +14

    Just want to say that I appreciate the depths you go through just to present a well thought out and cohesive narrative about... well whatever topic you talk about. I just love your content!

    • @JonSolo
      @JonSolo  5 лет назад +1

      Thank you so much! :)

    • @patricequeen1156
      @patricequeen1156 5 лет назад +1

      @@JonSolo you just made my day! 😀

  • @tatianahidalgo2666
    @tatianahidalgo2666 5 лет назад +78

    Been waiting for The Lion King Messed up Origins!! Yaaas! ♥️☺️ Love it keep up the great work!! Also, your shirt is messed up, if you look at it very closely. Instead of Simba, it’s actually Mufasa!

  • @darkunykorn404
    @darkunykorn404 5 лет назад +117

    It's even harder to deny the Simba-Kimba connection when we realize how awfully similar they look. I mean, even the VISUALS are similar.

    • @LUchesi
      @LUchesi 5 лет назад +19

      I think Jon must have wanted to not directly state his opinion on the matter, but there is a lot of evidence that he left out. Including concept work of Simba as a white lion before they even knew what style the art was going to be. For me, the fact that Disney's stance, even after being asked about it for decades, is that they still have never even heard of Kimba is the nala in the cloudfin.

    • @LUchesi
      @LUchesi 5 лет назад +17

      The entire controversy is about how blatant it was, not that it had thematic similarities.

    • @darkunykorn404
      @darkunykorn404 5 лет назад +22

      @@100percentNotaBot Star Wars and Stark Trek look completely different, even though they're both sci fi. They've different stories, themes and the like.
      Look at the scenes Jon showed of Kimba. Some aren't just similar, they're practically the same in the way they are drawn.

    • @darkunykorn404
      @darkunykorn404 5 лет назад +17

      @@LUchesi Pretty much, it's fairly obvious for anyone with eyes. I won't say it was wholesale copied, but denying they were HEAVILY inspired by Kimba is absurd.

    • @darkunykorn404
      @darkunykorn404 5 лет назад +13

      @@100percentNotaBot Dude, I don't know why you feel so terribly compelled to defend this company, but here's the thing: I said there was a connection. I never said it's a rip-off, or a copy, what I said there is that there is a connection. It's very visually clear there is when the shots are even drawn in similar positions, framing, etc. I also didn't mean art style (though that wasn't clear, sorry), even because in style they're very different, but when we see scenes set in very similar ways, the stories resonate in similar ways, even the Big Bads look alike, it's really hard to come around and deny there is a connection there. Sure, it could be a HUGE coincidence, but let's be real here. It probably wasn't. I don't need to work for Disney; I have eyes.
      And you're very naïve if you don't realize art inspires/influences other art. Tezuka himself was inspired by Bambi, and admitted to it, although I can see a wider gap between Bambi and Kimba than between Kimba and Lion King. I don't know enough about Looney Tunes and Tom & Jerry (though while they draw from the same source, they're also very very different in many ways, thematically, story-wise and visually), but it wouldn't surprise me if one by inspired by the other (whoever came first), either. That's the way of art. And yes, Marvel and DC are also awfully similar in many ways, but they're *aware* of it, too.
      Ironically TLK is my favourite Disney movie, actually the only one I genuinely like, but I still think it's shitty to deny the obvious. If they just came out and said "yes, we drew inspiration from Kimba" nobody would say a damn thing, and it'd be way more honest than trying to deny what everyone with eyes can see.

  • @anavalencia8213
    @anavalencia8213 3 года назад +4

    I'd love for you to do a revisiting of this topic because
    1- saying that Lion King isn't based off of Hamlet is a bit silly, because the creators of Lion King were very open about using that story as a blueprint. Sure, some aspects of the story are different, but just because something isn't a shot for shot copy doesn't mean it wasn't inspired.
    2- Lion King didn't actually copy Kimba, and while this is a very popular belief, most everything people use to compare is all coincidence. I highly recommend YMS's review of Kimba 😊

  • @kirkbupkis
    @kirkbupkis 3 года назад +16

    The Lion King really isn't that similar to Kimba, YMS does a good job explaining all the differences. They're just both stories about cartoon animals in Africa

    • @KasumiKenshirou
      @KasumiKenshirou 7 месяцев назад

      No he doesn't. His argument is that because Disney's feature length movie didn't cram in every story element from a long-running cartoon and comic that somehow proves there was no plagiarism.

  • @arinfilms15
    @arinfilms15 5 лет назад +69

    Please do Messed Up Origins of Thumbelina!!

  • @creativedreamstv.5848
    @creativedreamstv.5848 5 лет назад +79

    The messed up origins of the black cauldron

  • @mysteryman9488
    @mysteryman9488 3 года назад +14

    The "evil uncle" trope has been around since Ancient Rome mythology. I don't know why people assume it was a unique idea by Shakespeare

  • @stanleyteriaca2184
    @stanleyteriaca2184 4 года назад +4

    I would be interested in the Messed Up Origins of Sailor Moon, where you could talk about Serenity and Endymion. No...not the anime version of them, the Greek version.

  • @insanelydead7451
    @insanelydead7451 5 лет назад +12

    I clicked so fast when I got the notification... I totally regard what I was originally watching, I was half way into the video. But I can’t miss Messed Up Origins.

    • @JonSolo
      @JonSolo  5 лет назад +1

      HAHAhaha you are awesome. Thanks for watching Zane :)

  • @TheeKingRayzor
    @TheeKingRayzor 5 лет назад +29

    "Circle of Life" (Lion King) Lyrics
    From the day we arrive on the planet
    And blinking, step into the sun
    There's more to see than can ever be seen
    More to do than can ever be done
    There's far too much to take in here
    More to find than can ever be found
    But the sun rolling high
    Through the sapphire sky
    Keeps great and small on the endless round
    It's the circle of life
    And it moves us all
    Through despair and hope
    Through faith and love
    Till we find our place
    On the path unwinding
    In the circle
    The circle of life
    It's the circle of life
    And it moves us all
    Through despair and hope
    Through faith and love
    Till we find our place
    On the path unwinding
    In the circle
    The circle of life.

  • @RoninCatholic
    @RoninCatholic 3 года назад +21

    This video + Your Movie Sucks giving an over-hour length debunking of the idea that The Lion King actually is a Kimba ripoff = yeah, it always was more original than people gave it credit for. Though definitely some of the important people involved in making The Lion King had to be somewhat familiar with Kimba (who is only called that in the English dub; in Japan he's Leo the Lion which like Simba just means "Lion the Lion").

    • @Droemar
      @Droemar 2 года назад +1

      I think the darkness and seriousness with which The Lion King treats its themes defeats the Kimba theory. Kimba tended to be silly and offer easy answers. The Lion King does the opposite, so it's not a copy. It's a powerful, dark derivation of the same concept, and execution counts more than idea.

  • @bellaswan3616
    @bellaswan3616 5 лет назад +9

    I need this mini series plz

  • @MollyOKami
    @MollyOKami 5 лет назад +19

    I see a lot of calls for *Lady and the Tramp.*
    The scene where the Tramp is falsely accused of attacking the baby is quite similar to the Legend of Gelert.

  • @nothisispatrick4644
    @nothisispatrick4644 5 лет назад +50

    I believe the lions ruled the sahara as dictators, I mean they literally eat their subjects if they become hungry

    • @marilenemamaclay2993
      @marilenemamaclay2993 5 лет назад +2

      I know this question was idiotic but is that a Hitler reference.

    • @spectre.shadows
      @spectre.shadows 5 лет назад +12

      @@marilenemamaclay2993 Yes, Hitler frequently ate his subjects when he was hungry.

    • @MoonlitNyxx
      @MoonlitNyxx 5 лет назад +1

      IKR!!!!! It’s crazy

    • @larrydarnellrembertiii6258
      @larrydarnellrembertiii6258 5 лет назад +2

      We must respect all the creatures from the crawling ant, to the leaping antelope. - Mufasa

    • @judekanawati7467
      @judekanawati7467 5 лет назад +1

      Was Hitler Vegetarian? I never once heard it read about him eating subjects. I’m not defending him, but it’s kind of unlikely for a dictator like Hitler to do so. Imagine Stalin was doing that, he never gives a damn crap about anyone, his own people, germans, Jews, US people, no one.
      If you’re talking about men being cannibalistic, I think you’re referring to Vlad Dracule the impaler (known later as Dracula in Bram Stoker stories). He would impale his people and even eat them a lot. Cheers!

  • @Neevkl_7
    @Neevkl_7 5 лет назад +24

    "Messed up origins of Lion King"
    -Has an image from Lion King 2 in the thumbnail

    • @JonSolo
      @JonSolo  5 лет назад +11

      The audacity

  • @thatgirlamber602
    @thatgirlamber602 5 лет назад +7

    Yay I'm so excited to finally hear 'The Messed Up Origins of The Lion King'! As an avid Shakespeare and Disney fan I've never really thought Hamlet and The Lion King were all that similar. I'm glad that you touched on this and showed proof of why. Amazing video and I love the shirt Jon!
    **Edit: I think a mini-series of the different archetypes would be amazing! Please do it!

  • @Spacelozzy264
    @Spacelozzy264 5 лет назад +20

    Since I found your channel I've been binging on them so happy this came out today. Atlantis is one that could be worth a look depending how deep greek mythos goes?

  • @unknownig3529
    @unknownig3529 5 лет назад +7

    FINNALY ITS HERE

  • @samjames7869
    @samjames7869 5 лет назад +6

    I really like your idea of a miniseries about different archetypes. Go for it!

  • @michellehardiment2693
    @michellehardiment2693 3 года назад +2

    A breakdown on archetypes would be amazing! I love all of your videos. They are so cool and interesting

  • @solveigelisabethhenne1739
    @solveigelisabethhenne1739 5 лет назад +23

    Thank you for doing The Lion King! Keep up the great work! :)

  • @TheRudzinskiSisters3
    @TheRudzinskiSisters3 5 лет назад +63

    I’ve always wanted to go up to someone and randomly say “You know, I’ve seen a murder when I was younger”
    And they answer with something like “What? What happen”
    And I go on saying that the son was getting chased and the father tries to save his only son and the fathers brother ends up murdering his brother to put the blame on his nephew, so he can take of the fathers land.
    And then I say that I still remember their names, turns to face the person and says in a serious tone “Mufusa, Simba and Scar.”
    And just watch the person be really confuse. 😂😂
    I think that would be really funny. 😂😂

    • @octobergirl5525
      @octobergirl5525 4 года назад +2

      Feel like it might not work, who hasn't seen the lion king

    • @emiesart
      @emiesart 4 года назад

      it wouldn’t be

    • @norwegianpride7523
      @norwegianpride7523 4 года назад +4

      I suggest to tell someone a completely different story that's more of a mindfuck when you break it down.
      The story of a married man losing both his wife and his children to a serial killer, all except one son who was left crippled. Later that son was kidnapped and the father has to get help from a mentally disabled woman to help him find him again.
      Most people would guess that you were talking about the lion king, but this story would be harder to guess if you don't know that you're talking about a disney movie

    • @MicaDoodle89
      @MicaDoodle89 4 года назад +2

      @@norwegianpride7523 🤣 this is great.

    • @bontlemabena8681
      @bontlemabena8681 4 года назад +2

      Didn’t they do this on the office?

  • @roaringlions7252
    @roaringlions7252 5 лет назад +7

    2:49 The sun is rising over the Sahara? I think you mean savannah. xD

    • @JonSolo
      @JonSolo  5 лет назад +2

      Yeah I can’t believe I confused those. So embarrassing

  • @RhondaRooBug
    @RhondaRooBug 4 года назад +3

    I was so sad when I found out Disney ripped off that story. Seriously, all they had to do was admit they took inspiration from Kimba and maybe give the creator a small cut of the profit, I mean they could definitely afford it. Pure greed right there

  • @NoArtisticLimitation
    @NoArtisticLimitation 5 лет назад +110

    I think the biggest problem with the Kimba/Simba situation is just how many people knew of Kimba when making Lion King, and how many thought it WAS a Kimba remake. There have been a number of people who thought it was, including one of the animators (I don’t know for sure if it’s the head animator, but I think so?) so there are visual similarities.
    As for me, idk if it was or wasn’t, but one thing is clear, people did know of Kimba on the team.
    Also - there was a Kimba movie made around the same time of Lion King, that was only shown in America once, before Disney took legal action because it was too similar to Lion King. You hadn’t mentioned it, so I wasn’t sure if you knew that.

    • @arladicey
      @arladicey 5 лет назад +35

      If I was the gambling sort, I would lay money on the fact that Disney was completely aware of the intellectual theft they were committing with Kimba; but, being the pop culture/entertainment behemoth that they are, they knew they'd get away with it. Then, to turn around and try to sue the company whose property they blatantly ripped off to get them to back off from making their plagiarism obvious to American audiences with the Kimba film... also, so Disney. Look, this is a conglomerate that will sue a *preschool* for painting their characters on the school wall! Of course, they're nefarious enough to openly rob a successful idea from another successful creator! They're shameless. I enjoy Disney content... but I also see them for what they are, or rather, are capable of.

    • @shadowdancer344
      @shadowdancer344 5 лет назад +9

      a few people from the lion king team personally knew the creator of kimba the white lion

    • @ginnyjollykidd
      @ginnyjollykidd 4 года назад +2

      I remember that.

    • @lightyagami8645
      @lightyagami8645 4 года назад

      @@Ivan-vu5zz atleast smarter than Japanese

    • @Ivan-vu5zz
      @Ivan-vu5zz 4 года назад

      @@lightyagami8645 not really. Check your literacy rate. See how your kids are doing

  • @luciafrost4856
    @luciafrost4856 5 лет назад +31

    Can you please do the mini series on the archetypes!!!!!
    Ps. I love you and your content and will definitely buy your merch when I get paid

    • @kaleleaff
      @kaleleaff 5 лет назад

      Angela Santiago I s e c o n d t h i s !

  • @buttercupkat
    @buttercupkat 5 лет назад +16

    "To help the employees sleep at night"

  • @tywaller7455
    @tywaller7455 3 года назад +1

    Hey John I greatly appreciate this video to the fullest keep doing what you doing

  • @MoonlitNyxx
    @MoonlitNyxx 5 лет назад +12

    When he says merchandise, he’s not kidding! I’m loving the theme of the emblems 😃 there are several types of items to choose from for each design... Every type of shirt you can want (short sleeve, long sleeve, hoodie, kids, men, women). Also not just shirts, but bags and mugs and phone cases 💣 💥🔥🔥

  • @blessingroberts7416
    @blessingroberts7416 5 лет назад +26

    FINALLY!!! Been waiting for this 😈😁

  • @SakridSelf
    @SakridSelf 4 года назад +1

    Thank you for explaining, in-depth, why Lion King is my favorite Disney movie of all time

  • @KaraMorassco
    @KaraMorassco 5 лет назад

    Your videos are awesome Jon. And I would love to see you make a series of videos on the archetypes as well. You make them sound so interesting.

  • @kgodbeatz9877
    @kgodbeatz9877 5 лет назад +11

    Thanks Jon for listening to my suggestion

  • @peekaboo21284
    @peekaboo21284 5 лет назад +4

    💀💀💀@ Timon! "what mook made that up!" (One of my favorite lines from the movie)

  • @lisaanderson3549
    @lisaanderson3549 4 года назад +3

    Love the idea of the archetype breakdown. Go for it.

  • @claryfray7377
    @claryfray7377 5 лет назад

    Super interesting! I’d also love a breakdown of the archetypes as a future video. Thank you for your awesome videos ☺️

  • @khatdubell
    @khatdubell 5 лет назад +31

    The biggest flaw in the lion king, is why did scar not just kill simba too.
    No one else was around. He literally had his head in his hands.
    **snap**
    Completely different ending.

    • @Revanbzn
      @Revanbzn 5 лет назад +8

      Bad guys that think they won become too confident and make mistakes

    • @lemuellcabahug6460
      @lemuellcabahug6460 5 лет назад +8

      Character flaw. A typical antagonist trait.

    • @lemuellcabahug6460
      @lemuellcabahug6460 5 лет назад +3

      No was jus answering why scar didnt kill simba. In a story you need to give all characters their flaw to make a story. If its too perfect then it wouldnt have any sense.

    • @eshuthequipster7353
      @eshuthequipster7353 5 лет назад +1

      Actually didn’t he try to get the hynenas to kill him

    • @khatdubell
      @khatdubell 5 лет назад +2

      @@eshuthequipster7353 thats my point. He was in the perfect position to just kill simba. Killing simba was always part of the plan. He mentions it in his song. but then he tells him to run away and never come back.
      then 2 seconds later the tells the hyenas to kill simba.

  • @blackphoenix77
    @blackphoenix77 5 лет назад +17

    Jungle Emperor Taitei aka Kimba the White Lion is the biggest (unacknowledged) source for the Lion King

  • @5LeafClover12
    @5LeafClover12 4 года назад

    Glad I stumbled on your page. Imma be watching all of your videos until I’ve seen them all

  • @ivynewark2525
    @ivynewark2525 4 года назад +2

    The tea on archetypes has my mind blond please do a mini series of it .

  • @lelandpowell2421
    @lelandpowell2421 5 лет назад +11

    Very Interested To See The Origin From The Perspective Of What I Don't Know Already

  • @captainkid9005
    @captainkid9005 5 лет назад +8

    An archetype video sounds good. You had also mentioned doing a series on mythology in a previous video I'm SUPER EXCITED for that! Keep up the good work.

    • @JonSolo
      @JonSolo  5 лет назад

      Thank you so much! I’m SO pumped to dive into the mythology series 🤪

  • @vmorris7639
    @vmorris7639 5 лет назад

    Awesome video! I'd love to see some videos on the archetypes!

  • @staceybaggott8676
    @staceybaggott8676 5 лет назад

    I have just started watching these videos. As a movie and disney lover i find it fascinating learning about the origins behind my favourite films and stories. Your attention to detail is brilliant . I think I have found my new favourite RUclipsr. I will recommend your videos to friends and family. Keep up the work .😁👍👍

  • @kevinpaulsecretpaulbrother1426
    @kevinpaulsecretpaulbrother1426 5 лет назад +26

    I've been waiting for the lion king for tooooooooooo long

  • @HyperionaSilverleaf
    @HyperionaSilverleaf 5 лет назад +7

    Hi! Keep up the good work! Your videos make unwinding after a long busy week so much more fun.

  • @trulypatrice
    @trulypatrice 5 лет назад

    This was dope! Enjoyed learning of the different inspirations to this awesome movie. And yes, I'd like a mini series on the archetype!

  • @SassySmall1
    @SassySmall1 5 лет назад

    Great job on the video and research!

  • @Kat66699
    @Kat66699 5 лет назад +18

    Can you do the messed up origins of Moana?

  • @ginniem9779
    @ginniem9779 5 лет назад +6

    I like how you go back and forth between addressing us as SoloCups and SoloFam. I can tell you have done much research to make this clip. It's great :)

  • @heydiobers9562
    @heydiobers9562 5 лет назад

    Please break down the 7 archetypes 🙏 love your channel keep making videos. You're doing such an amazing job!

  • @alucard73
    @alucard73 4 года назад

    You got my subscription. I watched a whole lot of your videos and it is about time I gave that to you

  • @keeh.5792
    @keeh.5792 5 лет назад +7

    “& remember Jon shot first.” Idk why but I love this line so much 😭

    • @emmaelisha1339
      @emmaelisha1339 5 лет назад

      What does it mean tho???

    • @siawoo3940
      @siawoo3940 5 лет назад

      @@emmaelisha1339 gotta watch his older vids!

  • @DroThaKyyd
    @DroThaKyyd 5 лет назад +4

    Love the vids bro! Keep it up. Definitely am looking into the merc!

    • @JonSolo
      @JonSolo  5 лет назад +2

      Thanks so much man! Appreciate your support!

    • @DroThaKyyd
      @DroThaKyyd 5 лет назад

      @@JonSolo #solofam

  • @Jaclynantes1
    @Jaclynantes1 4 года назад +1

    I love it, please do archetypes as a series!

  • @lordioris
    @lordioris 5 лет назад

    What a great video! Congrats my man

  • @aelfwynn8
    @aelfwynn8 5 лет назад +5

    Great job as always!! So fascinating...yes, please do a video on the 7 archetypes!!

  • @DeerFox1312
    @DeerFox1312 5 лет назад +4

    Thanks so much for posting it i was so hyped

    • @JonSolo
      @JonSolo  5 лет назад +1

      Aw thank YOU for watching and commenting, homie :)

  • @robertmachnica9100
    @robertmachnica9100 5 лет назад

    Great stuff as always Jon! How about a Messed up Origins of King Midas?

  • @smellybellyXx
    @smellybellyXx 5 лет назад

    Love the archetype breakdown and example movie.
    Great video. 👍🏼

  • @kinusganyani8694
    @kinusganyani8694 5 лет назад +3

    I think that’s a great idea to explain the rest of the 7 archetypes, Jon, because they are the main motifs of all literature and this knowledge can help understand all your videos in a different light

  • @brianmichaelseymour6913
    @brianmichaelseymour6913 5 лет назад +9

    Amazingly insightful as always. and love the Archetype idea, waiting on Aesop, and still trying to find a truly challenging-yet-approachable tale for you to investigate. Have you seen Chuck Jones' animations of Rikki-Tiki-Tavi and The White Seal?

    • @fredarok579
      @fredarok579 5 лет назад

      BrianMichael Seymour Ooh, those sound great! I wanna see those!

  • @SlapstickGenius23
    @SlapstickGenius23 3 года назад +2

    Thank goodness I’m also realising Hamlet was a dark parody of Ur-Hamlet, which in turn was a dark parody of Amleth. The concept of Hamlet is actually very Ancient, possibly a few millennia old given its Ancient Egyptian origins, but Hamlet as a character was only created hundreds of years ago.

  • @sidrat-ul-muntahafarooqi1798
    @sidrat-ul-muntahafarooqi1798 4 года назад

    Great video, Jon! I would be very interested in watching a series on the 7 archetypes you mentioned.

  • @ladynikkie
    @ladynikkie 5 лет назад +6

    Yes! Thank you Jon

  • @jeffreystimetoshine4783
    @jeffreystimetoshine4783 5 лет назад +8

    Omg I love this so much. You are the best!

  • @Brynne221
    @Brynne221 5 лет назад

    Yes!!! Do the story archetypes!! Love your videos. 😊♥️

  • @jvmikendvll
    @jvmikendvll 5 лет назад

    Amazing episode! I had no idea about any of this.

  • @riceracm
    @riceracm 5 лет назад +6

    I really like the archetype idea...sounds like I could learn a lot....

  • @l.dawson2089
    @l.dawson2089 5 лет назад +3

    Greetings from New Zealand! Love your content!

    • @JonSolo
      @JonSolo  5 лет назад

      Hello from across the pond! thank you so much! :)

  • @aiieeee5166
    @aiieeee5166 4 года назад

    i actually ignored this video for a while because i already knew the story of Hamlet ... im so impressed now that i’ve watched this video and seen how deeply you really go into the origins of all of these stories!

  • @ellenmurphy2150
    @ellenmurphy2150 5 лет назад

    So much info. I'm going to watch again to get all of it. Very insightful. I've got a few ideas about other videos like the stories behind Shakespeare's stories that are based on other stories. Very bingeable.