Thanks for posting this video. Makes me appreciate the work my electrician did... installed a 50 amp breaker in my 200amp panel, ran #6 wire to a NEMA 14-50 outlet with the ground pin properly facing up. I also paid $250.
I have a NEMA 14-50 receptacle connected to a dedicated 50 amp breaker that I had installed when I got solar a couple of years ago. I used the charger that came with the Model Y for about a week and decided to buy the mobile charger with the dedicated NEMA 14-50 plug so I can utilize 40 amps instead of the 32 amp limit of the charger that came with the car. I also got the Tesla charger/cable holder, which makes for a nice clean set up in the garage.
Breaker should be a 50 amp for the 14-50. But the wire would need to be #6 for that. At any case you should only draw 80% of your breaker so, you should charge at 24 amps. Just FYI. Nice video. 👍
Yes you theoretically should have put a 30A socket so nobody tries to plug an RV into it, but I did the same as you and no problems. Now to finally get that model Y Long Range RWD I been waiting for...
@@rufus1349 I wish that I had a 60 amp breaker and the first generation wall charger, because the long range Model 3 is capable of charging at 48 amps! I've got a 50 amp breaker and a NEMA 14-50 outlet that I plug into the 2nd generation charger that can only charge at 32 amps, which is plenty for me to charge during our off peak hours of 8 pm - 3 pm!
What is this math? 80% of 50 is 40. He should be able to charge at 40 amps 24 hours a day if this was installed correctly. Something is wrong, even with a 40 amp breaker and #8 wire it should do 32 amps.
Hi there Ryan, I love watching your videos as I have ordered a Tesla Model Y as well and always keeping up to date. But what you have installed is very dangerous and should try to get a refund. The reason for it being is that first of all the NEMA 14-50 should always be on a 50amp breaker with #6 gauge wire. The job is not to NEC code and if anyone plugs into the nema 14-50 they are going to withdraw 40 amps. They actually have a dedicated nema 14-30 which is specifically for a 30amp breaker. Lastly you can not charge at 30 amps on a 30 amp breaker. If you keep doing so the wire will burn because of the heat. You are lucky that the breaker did its job and tripped. Tesla has the nema 14-30 adapter and on a 30amp breaker should not pull more than 24amps.
Came here to say this. Ryan you need to at the very least set your max amperage in the car to 24amps. But yes if this is meant to be a NEMA 14-50, it seems like it was a botched installation.
Yea man I second that for sure that electrician must have gotten his electrical license out of a cracker jack box! You need to have this redone and changed to the 30a plug or upgrade to #6 wire on a 50a breaker. They will have to change conduit to 3/4 because it's to small to fit the #6 cable in. It will still only charge at 32a with the 14-50 but will be properly installed, safe and to code. The default charge rate is determined by what plug is installed in the charger and communicates with the car. I just installed the correct setup for my second model 3 and have past electrical experience so please be safe man and get it fixed! Take it easy man, Casey
Agreed. Total fire hazard. The electrician installed a 50amp receptacle on a 30 amp circuit. You purchased a 50 amp plug instead of a 30 amp plug. Step 1. Set your current limit on the Tesla charging screen to 24amps until you’ve completed Steps 2 through 4. Do this now. Step 2. Please call the electrician back to replace the 14-50 receptacle with a 14-30 receptacle. The time burden for this is 10 minutes or less. Step 3. He/she also should verify the wire size meets or exceeds the minimum required wire size for 30 amps circuit which is 10 gauge. Step 4. Next, purchase the 14-30 adapter for your mobile connector from Tesla.com. Once you’re squared away with all that you can remove the current limit on the Tesla since the car will adjust the current limit based upon which adapter plug you’re using with the mobile wall connector.
At least the electrician didn't install a 50A breaker with that wire. That would have almost certainly fried the wire, especially with the sustained amperage during charging. The breaker did its job by tripping when it got too hot and protected the wire. Still a very bad install and needs to be corrected.
That, or the NEMA 6-50 plug are my favorite default setup. You can plug in the Tesla, which is good for 7kw, but you can also buy a 40amp EVSE, and charge at 9.6kw. These are fast enough for most people, and will charge other EVs. In 11 hours, you could fully charge a Model S from empty and do 400 miles. Tesla sells a 48amp hard wired unit that goes on a 60 amp circuit, and a 80 amp 17kw charger that goes on a 100 amp circuit, which is cool, but do you have like 300 amp service, do you need to, and do you have an S or X, cause a LR Model 3 only does 11kw AC. I bet even the 500 mile cybertruck will pick up 250 miles overnight on a 9.6kw charger. If you need more, you can probably get to a supercharger.
I installed the Tesla Gen 3 Wall Unit since Georgia Power offers a $250 rebate. I did all the wiring myself so had no labor cost. The best deal is Georgia Power's 1cent per kwh 11:00 pm to 7:00 am rate. I was able to install a 60 amp breaker so get 48 amps of charging power. Works out to about 200 miles of range for $0.50.
$250! I just paid an electrician $780 and the 14-50 outlet was put directly next to the electrical box in my garage, meaning he didn't have to run any expensive wire. Great deal you got. I still have to buy an extension cord though, he originally quoted me $1230 to put it on the other side of the garage which was directly across from the electrical box and would have run wire through the attic, then decided to put next to box to save money. At least with the extension cord I will purchase, I can take it on trips. Now to research which cords are best, up for any knowledgable recommendations, as I google away!
why a 14-50 adapter but only a 30 AMP circuit breaker. Why not the 14-30 adapter or a 50 AMP circuit breaker (your get about 8 miles more an hour with 14-50 adapter and 50 AMP circuit breaker?
Set your current limit to 24A immediately. Call the electrician. Replace the 14-50 receptacle with a 14-30 receptacle. Purchase the 14-30 adapter plug for your mobile connector.
we don't know what gauge wire the electrician installed. we do know the electrician installed a 50A plug and a 30A breaker. so scenario 1: replace breaker to 50A IF the electrician installed 6AWG copper wire OR scenario 2: replace the plug to 30A AND buy the 30A Tesla adapter, IF the electrician installed 10AWG. but most likely the elctrician installed 10AWG...
That's a good deal for installation! The convenience factor of having high speed charging at home is so nice. Also, if you end up getting another Tesla or a friend with a Tesla comes over, it's nice to be able to help them out too.
Thanks so much for this video. I’m about to buy myself a Tesla and really needed this. Not sure what’s the difference between this plug and the official Tesla plug and wanted to know
I am getting Tesla 3 in the spring. I have already installed my NEMA 14-50 charger in my garage. Very pleased. However, I know that the day will come that I will traveling & staying at a friends house. That mean charging very slowly using a 120 line. What I am asking if you have any suggestions about the 120 line as I don’t want to over heat & scorch the 120 plug unit
I agree, that installation is out of code, 14-50 should be a 50 amp breaker #6 AWG. Rule of thumb is you should go above 80% of the breaker size, I would also install a disconnect switch before the plug so you can kill the power in case of emergency. BTW do you have 20 or 21 model Y, still waiting for my tesla and having fun watching all the tesla video here
Thanks for this video. I’m going to do the exact same thing since the outlet and wire gauge I installed in my garage prior to owning a Tesla many years ago is limited to 30a I will go this route as well so I don’t have to do over the entire install!
That's a pretty sweet place you're renting. I own my place and was curious how much it would cost to retrofit an older electrical system. Looks like it might not be an issue but I'll have to look at what I have in my breaker box.
Good general information, but it will be interesting to see how different the electricity-related infrastructure is in Europe compared to the US. Like three-phase current in every house (we have 240V/3x30A). Townhouses (almost always) the power socket (400V/3x16A) already installed, e.g.
When a quote from an electrical contractor seems unusually low there’s usually a reason - unlicensed and uninsured are the first 2 things I suspect. This installation would not pass a code inspection.
Hi, can you try out three booster seats (no back) in your Model Y. I have checked the seat sizes and it according to their manual the seat is actually smaller than the model 3. Like a lot of 3 child families, I am waiting to see what the fit is like but no videos currently do a car seat, back booster and no back booster video on the Model Y. This would be a great help on whether it will actually be a viable family car or not.
The comments tell a lot about where things are at with RUclips and EVSEs. I install EVSEs in four different areas and a dozen different inspectors. If you hardwire the EVSE, you can use a 60amp breaker with #6 thhn wire in conduit and have an output of up to 48amps. If you do a plug-in, first you need to have a commercial grade receptacle (not a $15 box store). Next it must be no larger than a 50amp breaker and can use #6 Romex and max output set at 40amps. The Code now requires, although not adopted in all states, that a GFCI breaker must also be used for a 14-50 outlet. Find an electrician that specializes in EVSE installs.
For safety, you should drop your charging rate down to 27-24 amps, going you a 10-20% safety margin. Electrical components, even wires, get hot carrying a large amount of current, and charging at the limit (which you are doing now) can make the installation less safe than it could be, especially over time, as components age And you can always bump it up to 30 amps if you need it..
Plus it is more ecological to charge it at the lowest rate practical as it minimizes the losses which go up with the square of the rate. Loss power = Amps squared x Resistance in wires and charger
I have a Model Y I did the same as you. My ? is how did you buy just on adapter, Tesla sells a complete package of six adapters all I need is Nema 14-30.
You should have installed a NEMA 14-30 plug on that 30 amp circuit. Then When you buy the 14-30 adapter for the UMC it has a resistor in the communication pins that tells the UMC to only send the proper current to the car as your charger would know it only has 30 amps max from its adapter. Your cars charger will only get a max of 30 amps from the umc and not trip the breaker. By using the 14-50 u,c adapter, your UMc thinks it is plugged into a 50 amp circuit and tells your on board charger to use 5p amps.
Awesome, video and explanations!!! Im barely starting on my research and this was so thorough. Do you have a video on how to figure out the wattage/ amps, pricing, with your electricity company, to see how much the charges end up costing?
you can do that the weakest link should be the breaker the strongest link should be the line if you try to pull more amps than a breaker can take it will pop and degrade each time you reset it
It would be dangerous to use a 50 amp to to the 220v the because the main electrical line to the house probably can not handle it. It might over heat. To play it safe change the amp receive for the car.
2 items. One is the 1450 will default to 32 amps. I have tried both 30amp and 40 amp breaker. Stays at 32. Second, is you can have any electrician rotate that plug 90 deg to the proper position. Just saying. Great video as always.
Just a heads up on how breakers work? They do not limit the amount of current. They are designed to trip when too much current passes through them. Also you should not be running things at the maximum limit for extended periods of time.
Unless otherwise marked, circuit breakers should not be loaded to exceed 80 percent of their current rating, where in normal operation the load will continue for 3 hours or more.
Internet search indicates max charge current for Model3 standard range plus is 32 Amp. Higher models including yours is 48 Amp. What limitation you have for 30 Amp?
The Tesla is basing its judgment on if your wires can handle the power it is drawing. In your case, your wiring can candle more power than the breaker which is a good thing. This is what you want.
FYI - National Electrical Code now requires GFCI on all EV receptacles: 625.54 Ground-Fault Circuit-Interrupter Protection for Personnel. All single-phase receptacles installed for the connection of electric vehicle charging that are rated 150 volts to ground or less, and 50 amperes or less shall have ground-fault circuit-interrupter protection for personnel.
It's actually not called a home "charger" because the charger is in the car. Tesla calls it a "wall connector". When you visit a "Super Charger" that is a DC fast charger, which bypasses the charger in the car. Also, it's called "conduit" not "pipe" and finally, you didn't install a plug (which is the the part you plug in) you installed a "receptacle" in your garage. You can install a square junction box that will let you install the receptacle vertically. Because EV charging pulls continuous current, you should always only charge at 80% of what the breaker is rated for. The breaker will heat up and flip if you pull the max-rated current for more than a couple hours. The NEMA 14-50 is a receptacle that is intended to have a 50 amp circuit breaker behind it. You can purchase a NEMA 14-30 adapter from Tesla, and then your car will only pull 24 amps. Each adapter tells the connector how much current your circuit can support. The older Universal Mobile Connector (UMC) for Model S and X could pull 40 amps (80%) from a 50 amp circuit, but your UMC will max out at 32 amps, so you could also solve your problem by installing a 40 amp circuit breaker (unless the load calculation for your unit makes that unsafe).
Thanks for sharing this. Was thinking of spending the $$ to get the Tesla Charger but ( once I get my Model Y, ) the vehicle will be at home a.lot and over night charging in the garage will be the majority of where it will get its energy. So the Mobil charger with the 220 volt dryer plug should be sufficient.
You’re welcome! That should be plenty, just make sure you get a good electrician to do it properly! (Mine was apparently done very poorly according to many comments haha)
@@more9114 I understand. I know of a good Electrican. But, as you said in your video, my Electric Panel is not so close to my garage and so, it will be somewhat costly to run wire to it but no other choice.
@Assan Amanson must do more research on Tesla website and consult with a licensed electrician. I believe it depends on how much your electrical panel has room for as well.
I don't know why you said that drilling through concrete/brick is very labor-intensive. If you have a hammer drill and a drill bit made for concrete, it is super easy to drill, not hard at all. You just gotta have the right tools.
When/if you move out of this house, are you going to take that installed wall charger with you or will you leave it for the next person who moves in and rents that place?
Electrician here: Important! You need to set the charger to a maximum of 24 amps, as a electric vehicle charging circuit is considered to be a continuous load, and thus the load should only be 80% of the circuit capacity (30Amps X 0.8=24Amps). This is why electrical code requires it to be installed by knowledgeable and trained personnel. Charging at the full circuit capacity for a prolonged period of time on a hot day can lead to the conductors becoming overheated, causing damage to the insulation and the copper, and potentially causing the insulation to melt off the conductors and causing short circuits, and in worst case an actual fire. I have seen it happen from multiple service calls in my work! The other important issue is that the outlet should always be matched to the circuit capacity, meaning that if the breaker is 30 amps, the outlet should be a NEMA 14-30. It would not be difficult or expensive to get an electrician to replace the outlet box with the proper outlet in a vertical orientation.
That's a bad electrician. Wrong outlet orientation, wrong breaker choice. Wondering what wire gauge did he use. If he uses #6 or #8 copper, for that distance, you can swap out the 30amp breaker with 40amp one, then you can just run on your max 32 amp no problem. Swapping a breaker is an easy 5 minutes job and just $10.
Since you wired a 30 Amp circuit you should have installed a 10-30 or 14-30 outlet not a 14-50 outlet. The car only knows what adapter you are using and charges accoridngly, it assumes the outlet was wired correctly.
The adapter is plugged into an email 1450 with the Tesla Sims is a 50 amp breaker because the plug is a 50 amp plug, the electrician should have installed a 240 volt 30 amp plug rated for 30 ampsand then you buy the appropriate adapter from Tesla. On a 30 amp circuit you should not draw more than 80% of the rated amperage when drawing power continuously so you should be dialing it down to 24 amps
we don't know what gauge wire the electrician installed. we do know the electrician installed a 50A plug and a 30A breaker. so scenario 1: replace breaker to 50A IF the electrician installed 6AWG copper wire OR scenario 2: replace the plug to 30A AND buy the 30A Tesla adapter, IF the electrician installed 10AWG
Hopefully you had the electrician back to rotate the outlet for you. Probably for $35 or less. Thank you for your videos. I need to learn how to show the cameras. Lol
He did ya dirty bro. He should have put it vertical. Electric 101. You can get a holder for the tesla charger and could probably flip it to the other side. (Flip the 14-50)
Yikes...you should only be charging at 24A on a 30A breaker. Continuous loads should only pull 80% of the breaker’s max rating. This electrician made a serious fuck up by not installing a 14-30. The Tesla thinks it can charge at 32A because the 14-50 adapter is connected and a 14-50 should be connected to a 50A breaker. I’m sure everyone has already told you this though.
Hello Ryan I like your videos,but I had the same concerns like the comments below when I watched your video. I am a retired electrician and installed my NEMA 14-50 on a 100 Amp panel in a my condo. I would like to have the opportunity to show my installation on a video for Tesla owners with a low amperage main. My installation passed the association Bord and the City inspection after six months. I can charge now with 38 Amps with no problems. If you are interested in the project please let me know, it would help others with the same problems. I live in Redwood City CA.
Hi Tango2020, I have a 100 amp breaker on my main panel. Can I safely have the electrician install a 60 amp breaker in my garage tapped to the main and then run a conduit to install a Tesla wall connector? I want to charge at a maximum of 48 amps from my wall connector to car.
@@paulk5034 Hello Paul, You can safely install a 60 Amp Breaker on to your 100 amp but you have to install a trans-fare switch so the rest of the load is turned off. I have a contact-er installed and that disconnects all my 220V appliances and trans fares the power to the 60 Amp breaker by a push of the control button. Ask your electrician to calculate what he has to turn off in order to draw safely the 60 amps.
@@yt571423 I can understand! I used # 4 with a 70 Amp breaker. Why? Because if you charge for five hours or more the breaker and the wire will get hot. I like to keep everything warm to the touch. In order to make it legal and save you have to disconnect load (oven, drier AC) until your 100 amp can take the calculated 70 Amp and rest of the house load. You have to install on each a transfare contactor so under no circumstances there is total load +Tesla charger.If you know an electrician you can tell him, I used the schematic like a STOP START motor station. Hope that will give you a closer knowledge of the installation. Greetings from CA and good luck. Maybe on of this days I make a Video with all the schematics.
You could have specified to the electrician which way to install the NEMA plug. He literally could've installed the plug in any of the four directions. it is not the electricians fault. The electrician can still change it.
Exactly my thought too. It was little arrogant when he said it was electrician’s fault. It bugged me a bit. He should have told the electrician what way not blame him afterwards.
Ryan did you also apply for residential charging equipment? California have a tax credit for electric cars? Customers who purchase qualified residential charging equipment between January 1, 2018 and December 31, 2020 may receive a tax credit of up to $1,000.
@@carlosmoreno7732 $1000 SCE application at www.evrebates.sce.com/login, $2000 Clean Vehicle Rebate Project at cleanvehiclerebate.org/login, Plus $1000 EV Resident installation Tax Credit!
I have a Nema 14-50 on a 40 amp circuit. With only 100 amp service to my house and garage., 40 amps is about as high a level as I could go. I could only do 40 amps because I had a gas heated clothes dryer and gas cooking range and gas furnace--other wise I may have needed to needed to drop down to a 30 amp circuit.
He explained why he only used the 30A breaker - the electrician advised that was the maximum size his panel could accommodate. Very important not to exceed the capacity of your electrical service panel !!!
Exactly what we did. We actually purchased the $500 Tesla Wall charger but returned it (luckily they did accept the return because often they do not!). We also used the NEMA 14-50 plug outlet and set it to output up to 40 amps. Works great. It takes a bit of a struggle to pull that big fat plug out of the wall every time we go on a trip but my wife refuses to spend $500 for the Tesla wall charger! (what with Covid-19, we seldom travel so I guess she's right!) For what its worth: We have now started using the 110 Volt outlet in the garage and not the 240 Volt. We don't drive around much after retirement so it can happily sit there 16 hours, 24 hours, doing 4-5 miles per hour. That's usually good for 3 days. Or more. The reason is that the higher the voltage used on a regular basis, the more the battery can get, um, hardened and it will start allowing less and less charge. It was 310 miles when we got the car in 2018 and now it only goes up to 290-295. Apparently, frequent use of the Tesla Superchargers decreases charge capacity even more than using the 240 Volt outlet. I have a relative who did use Superchargers quite a bit, and after 2 years he can only charge up to 260-270 miles. Come ON, Tesla, and work faster on that new fancy 4680 million mile battery! :)
I’m more concerned about the receptacle not being rated for the breaker. Skeptical that the electrician installed the right gauge wire too, considering literally everything else he did was wrong
Just turn off the breaker, open the NEMA 14-50 outlet, rotate the female plug in the box, put the cover back on, turn on the breaker. It is stupidly easy and as long as the breaker is off you cannot be harmed... That being stated, if the house has Air Conditioning, , Electric Hot Water and Electric Stove, I doubt that there was technically enough Load in that box even to handle a 30 Amp continuous draw. I cringe when I read & see some installations on YouTub.
My two cents, pony up the extra money and get the Tesla wall charger. No dealing with popped breakers and you get a 48A charging rate. Plus, it just looks cool, like the car. If you are going to buy a 70k Model Y, don't suddenly cheap out on yourself.
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Thanks for posting this video. Makes me appreciate the work my electrician did... installed a 50 amp breaker in my 200amp panel, ran #6 wire to a NEMA 14-50 outlet with the ground pin properly facing up. I also paid $250.
$250? Wow you robbed him lol. I got local quotes for $1500-$2000. You probably had a simple setup
I have a NEMA 14-50 receptacle connected to a dedicated 50 amp breaker that I had installed when I got solar a couple of years ago. I used the charger that came with the Model Y for about a week and decided to buy the mobile charger with the dedicated NEMA 14-50 plug so I can utilize 40 amps instead of the 32 amp limit of the charger that came with the car. I also got the Tesla charger/cable holder, which makes for a nice clean set up in the garage.
Breaker should be a 50 amp for the 14-50. But the wire would need to be #6 for that. At any case you should only draw 80% of your breaker so, you should charge at 24 amps. Just FYI. Nice video. 👍
Ahh good to know. I checked and it’s at 22 actually, so I must have figured that out with trial and error a couple months ago haha
Got my Model Y last Friday, had a 14-50 plug installed today. The electrician put in a 60 amp breaker...
Yes you theoretically should have put a 30A socket so nobody tries to plug an RV into it, but I did the same as you and no problems. Now to finally get that model Y Long Range RWD I been waiting for...
@@rufus1349 I wish that I had a 60 amp breaker and the first generation wall charger, because the long range Model 3 is capable of charging at 48 amps! I've got a 50 amp breaker and a NEMA 14-50 outlet that I plug into the 2nd generation charger that can only charge at 32 amps, which is plenty for me to charge during our off peak hours of 8 pm - 3 pm!
What is this math? 80% of 50 is 40. He should be able to charge at 40 amps 24 hours a day if this was installed correctly. Something is wrong, even with a 40 amp breaker and #8 wire it should do 32 amps.
Hi there Ryan, I love watching your videos as I have ordered a Tesla Model Y as well and always keeping up to date. But what you have installed is very dangerous and should try to get a refund. The reason for it being is that first of all the NEMA 14-50 should always be on a 50amp breaker with #6 gauge wire. The job is not to NEC code and if anyone plugs into the nema 14-50 they are going to withdraw 40 amps. They actually have a dedicated nema 14-30 which is specifically for a 30amp breaker. Lastly you can not charge at 30 amps on a 30 amp breaker. If you keep doing so the wire will burn because of the heat. You are lucky that the breaker did its job and tripped. Tesla has the nema 14-30 adapter and on a 30amp breaker should not pull more than 24amps.
Came here to say this. Ryan you need to at the very least set your max amperage in the car to 24amps. But yes if this is meant to be a NEMA 14-50, it seems like it was a botched installation.
Yea man I second that for sure that electrician must have gotten his electrical license out of a cracker jack box! You need to have this redone and changed to the 30a plug or upgrade to #6 wire on a 50a breaker. They will have to change conduit to 3/4 because it's to small to fit the #6 cable in. It will still only charge at 32a with the 14-50 but will be properly installed, safe and to code. The default charge rate is determined by what plug is installed in the charger and communicates with the car. I just installed the correct setup for my second model 3 and have past electrical experience so please be safe man and get it fixed!
Take it easy man,
Casey
Agreed. Total fire hazard. The electrician installed a 50amp receptacle on a 30 amp circuit. You purchased a 50 amp plug instead of a 30 amp plug.
Step 1. Set your current limit on the Tesla charging screen to 24amps until you’ve completed Steps 2 through 4. Do this now.
Step 2. Please call the electrician back to replace the 14-50 receptacle with a 14-30 receptacle. The time burden for this is 10 minutes or less.
Step 3. He/she also should verify the wire size meets or exceeds the minimum required wire size for 30 amps circuit which is 10 gauge.
Step 4. Next, purchase the 14-30 adapter for your mobile connector from Tesla.com.
Once you’re squared away with all that you can remove the current limit on the Tesla since the car will adjust the current limit based upon which adapter plug you’re using with the mobile wall connector.
At least the electrician didn't install a 50A breaker with that wire. That would have almost certainly fried the wire, especially with the sustained amperage during charging. The breaker did its job by tripping when it got too hot and protected the wire. Still a very bad install and needs to be corrected.
Yeah I had already put it at 22
I have the 14-50 outlet with a 50 amp breaker and # 6awg wire. It works great.
That, or the NEMA 6-50 plug are my favorite default setup. You can plug in the Tesla, which is good for 7kw, but you can also buy a 40amp EVSE, and charge at 9.6kw. These are fast enough for most people, and will charge other EVs. In 11 hours, you could fully charge a Model S from empty and do 400 miles. Tesla sells a 48amp hard wired unit that goes on a 60 amp circuit, and a 80 amp 17kw charger that goes on a 100 amp circuit, which is cool, but do you have like 300 amp service, do you need to, and do you have an S or X, cause a LR Model 3 only does 11kw AC. I bet even the 500 mile cybertruck will pick up 250 miles overnight on a 9.6kw charger. If you need more, you can probably get to a supercharger.
As a licensed Electrician that is correct. You always never go past 80% of max rating of device.
I installed the Tesla Gen 3 Wall Unit since Georgia Power offers a $250 rebate. I did all the wiring myself so had no labor cost. The best deal is Georgia Power's 1cent per kwh 11:00 pm to 7:00 am rate. I was able to install a 60 amp breaker so get 48 amps of charging power. Works out to about 200 miles of range for $0.50.
Bruh that's $40 in gas
$250! I just paid an electrician $780 and the 14-50 outlet was put directly next to the electrical box in my garage, meaning he didn't have to run any expensive wire. Great deal you got. I still have to buy an extension cord though, he originally quoted me $1230 to put it on the other side of the garage which was directly across from the electrical box and would have run wire through the attic, then decided to put next to box to save money. At least with the extension cord I will purchase, I can take it on trips. Now to research which cords are best, up for any knowledgable recommendations, as I google away!
Amazing video. Getting my Model 3 next week and having this done soon:)
Thanks, and congrats!
why a 14-50 adapter but only a 30 AMP circuit breaker. Why not the 14-30 adapter or a 50 AMP circuit breaker (your get about 8 miles more an hour with 14-50 adapter and 50 AMP circuit breaker?
Set your current limit to 24A immediately. Call the electrician. Replace the 14-50 receptacle with a 14-30 receptacle. Purchase the 14-30 adapter plug for your mobile connector.
Yeah, it was at 22. And thank you!
Trevor great advice. I totally agree
we don't know what gauge wire the electrician installed. we do know the electrician installed a 50A plug and a 30A breaker. so scenario 1: replace breaker to 50A IF the electrician installed 6AWG copper wire OR scenario 2: replace the plug to 30A AND buy the 30A Tesla adapter, IF the electrician installed 10AWG. but most likely the elctrician installed 10AWG...
Tesla recommends a 50A circuit breaker on their website. Should just replace the 30A circuit breaker to 50A.
How much did it cost you to do all that ? With the Tech that came and things you bought
For the cybertruck I'm debating using 4awg given the larger battery pack.
Any idea on the grants Florida may be giving for buying an electric car?
That's a good deal for installation! The convenience factor of having high speed charging at home is so nice. Also, if you end up getting another Tesla or a friend with a Tesla comes over, it's nice to be able to help them out too.
It was not a good deal that installation is incorrect and dangerous. Hire a licensed electrician and verify their work!
Not a good deal for the fire hazard that hack of an electrician installed.
Thanks so much for this video. I’m about to buy myself a Tesla and really needed this. Not sure what’s the difference between this plug and the official Tesla plug and wanted to know
Thanks for this video post and all the comments. Learned a lot on what to tell the electrician and what to check.
I am getting Tesla 3 in the spring. I have already installed my NEMA 14-50 charger in my garage. Very pleased. However, I know that the day will come that I will traveling & staying at a friends house. That mean charging very slowly using a 120 line.
What I am asking if you have any suggestions about the 120 line as I don’t want to over heat & scorch the 120 plug unit
I agree, that installation is out of code, 14-50 should be a 50 amp breaker #6 AWG. Rule of thumb is you should go above 80% of the breaker size, I would also install a disconnect switch before the plug so you can kill the power in case of emergency. BTW do you have 20 or 21 model Y, still waiting for my tesla and having fun watching all the tesla video here
Is that middle neutral wire on top left at 3:26 arcing?
Thanks. My wife has a Kia Niro EV. I'm going to get the Tesla Y. What is the best level 2 charger options for me?
Thanks for this video. I’m going to do the exact same thing since the outlet and wire gauge I installed in my garage prior to owning a Tesla many years ago is limited to 30a I will go this route as well so I don’t have to do over the entire install!
That's a pretty sweet place you're renting. I own my place and was curious how much it would cost to retrofit an older electrical system. Looks like it might not be an issue but I'll have to look at what I have in my breaker box.
Good general information, but it will be interesting to see how different the electricity-related infrastructure is in Europe compared to the US. Like three-phase current in every house (we have 240V/3x30A). Townhouses (almost always) the power socket (400V/3x16A) already installed, e.g.
When a quote from an electrical contractor seems unusually low there’s usually a reason - unlicensed and uninsured are the first 2 things I suspect. This installation would not pass a code inspection.
Lesson learned here for sure
nor would renter's insurance cover if there was a fire. yikes...
Hi, can you try out three booster seats (no back) in your Model Y. I have checked the seat sizes and it according to their manual the seat is actually smaller than the model 3. Like a lot of 3 child families, I am waiting to see what the fit is like but no videos currently do a car seat, back booster and no back booster video on the Model Y. This would be a great help on whether it will actually be a viable family car or not.
I thought you needed a 200 amp breaker, what's the best way to do it?
The comments tell a lot about where things are at with RUclips and EVSEs. I install EVSEs in four different areas and a dozen different inspectors. If you hardwire the EVSE, you can use a 60amp breaker with #6 thhn wire in conduit and have an output of up to 48amps. If you do a plug-in, first you need to have a commercial grade receptacle (not a $15 box store). Next it must be no larger than a 50amp breaker and can use #6 Romex and max output set at 40amps. The Code now requires, although not adopted in all states, that a GFCI breaker must also be used for a 14-50 outlet. Find an electrician that specializes in EVSE installs.
For safety, you should drop your charging rate down to 27-24 amps, going you a 10-20% safety margin. Electrical components, even wires, get hot carrying a large amount of current, and charging at the limit (which you are doing now) can make the installation less safe than it could be, especially over time, as components age And you can always bump it up to 30 amps if you need it..
Thanks! I have been running it at 22
Plus it is more ecological to charge it at the lowest rate practical as it minimizes the losses which go up with the square of the rate.
Loss power = Amps squared x Resistance in wires and charger
@@more9114 Thanks for the video. How do you lower the rate of charging to 22 - 27 amps?
@@noelnazareno6820 from your Tesla app
I have a Model Y I did the same as you.
My ? is how did you buy just on adapter, Tesla sells a complete package of six adapters all I need is Nema
14-30.
What guage wire do you use ? 6 8 or 10.. and did you use a 30 amp breaker?
Thanks for the info!
I'm going to try to install my Hubbell 14-15 the right orientation. But the wire clamps make it easier to install it sideways as shown
You should have installed a NEMA 14-30 plug on that 30 amp circuit. Then When you buy the 14-30 adapter for the UMC it has a resistor in the communication pins that tells the UMC to only send the proper current to the car as your charger would know it only has 30 amps max from its adapter. Your cars charger will only get a max of 30 amps from the umc and not trip the breaker.
By using the 14-50 u,c adapter, your UMc thinks it is plugged into a 50 amp circuit and tells your on board charger to use 5p amps.
Have u had any problem charging and using a ac or microwave and experience power outage?
Awesome, video and explanations!!! Im barely starting on my research and this was so thorough. Do you have a video on how to figure out the wattage/ amps, pricing, with your electricity company, to see how much the charges end up costing?
The square steering wheel for tesla is perfect 👌😁 i know where can you get it in a fair price 🤩
Thx fir this video, am living in corona CA and I need someone installing the 14-50 fast to charge , do you can do it or anyone
Thanks for this video. Very helpful!
Great info. Didn't want to spend the cash on the Tesla charger. Also your camera quality is great.
How did the electrician get away with putting a 50 amp plug on a 30 amp circuit?
no oversight?
you can do that the weakest link should be the breaker the strongest link should be the line if you try to pull more amps than a breaker can take it will pop and degrade each time you reset it
I'm not even an electrician and I did this myself and knew that hahaha
It would be dangerous to use a 50 amp to to the 220v the because the main electrical line to the house probably can not handle it. It might over heat. To play it safe change the amp receive for the car.
@Ryan, do you keep your charger plugged into the outlet all the time even when you are not charging your Tesla?
2 items. One is the 1450 will default to 32 amps. I have tried both 30amp and 40 amp breaker. Stays at 32. Second, is you can have any electrician rotate that plug 90 deg to the proper position. Just saying. Great video as always.
Thanks! Appreciate the tips
Like always great context straight forward and to the point!
Just a heads up on how breakers work? They do not limit the amount of current. They are designed to trip when too much current passes through them. Also you should not be running things at the maximum limit for extended periods of time.
Unless otherwise marked, circuit breakers should not be loaded to exceed 80 percent of their current rating, where in normal operation the load will continue for 3 hours or more.
Great useful information finally someone knows how to explain normally 👏👍
With a 30 amp breaker you should set your charge rate in your car to 24 amps.
Thanks! I went back and checked, and I'm actually at 22.
Can you tell me how much cost electric bill a month w Charging ur Tesla???
Great video!
Another channel? No way awesome! Just made my own as well! Keep up the good work!
Thanks, you too!
Internet search indicates max charge current for Model3 standard range plus is 32 Amp. Higher models including yours is 48 Amp. What limitation you have for 30 Amp?
The panel at my house
tesla mobile charger gen 2 maxes out at 32A. gen 1 maxes out at 40A. tesla wall charger maxes out at 48A. depends on your panel setup as well.
hadouken
Excellent feedback. Appreciated.
Thank you for this video 👊
The Tesla is basing its judgment on if your wires can handle the power it is drawing. In your case, your wiring can candle more power than the breaker which is a good thing. This is what you want.
FYI - National Electrical Code now requires GFCI on all EV receptacles:
625.54 Ground-Fault Circuit-Interrupter Protection for Personnel. All single-phase
receptacles installed for the connection of electric vehicle charging that are rated 150 volts to ground or less, and 50 amperes or less shall have ground-fault circuit-interrupter protection for personnel.
It's actually not called a home "charger" because the charger is in the car. Tesla calls it a "wall connector".
When you visit a "Super Charger" that is a DC fast charger, which bypasses the charger in the car. Also, it's called "conduit" not "pipe" and finally, you didn't install a plug (which is the the part you plug in) you installed a "receptacle" in your garage. You can install a square junction box that will let you install the receptacle vertically. Because EV charging pulls continuous current, you should always only charge at 80% of what the breaker is rated for. The breaker will heat up and flip if you pull the max-rated current for more than a couple hours. The NEMA 14-50 is a receptacle that is intended to have a 50 amp circuit breaker behind it. You can purchase a NEMA 14-30 adapter from Tesla, and then your car will only pull 24 amps. Each adapter tells the connector how much current your circuit can support. The older Universal Mobile Connector (UMC) for Model S and X could pull 40 amps (80%) from a 50 amp circuit, but your UMC will max out at 32 amps, so you could also solve your problem by installing a 40 amp circuit breaker (unless the load calculation for your unit makes that unsafe).
I am really going to like the videos on this channel, Ryan!
Glad you like them!
Why do people say this is set up for model y or whatever. This set up works for ANY Tesla model, doesn’t it ?
Thanks for sharing this. Was thinking of spending the $$ to get the Tesla Charger but ( once I get my Model Y, ) the vehicle will be at home a.lot and over night charging in the garage will be the majority of where it will get its energy. So the Mobil charger with the 220 volt dryer plug should be sufficient.
You’re welcome! That should be plenty, just make sure you get a good electrician to do it properly! (Mine was apparently done very poorly according to many comments haha)
@@more9114 I understand. I know of a good Electrican. But, as you said in your video, my Electric Panel is not so close to my garage and so, it will be somewhat costly to run wire to it but no other choice.
@Assan Amanson must do more research on Tesla website and consult with a licensed electrician. I believe it depends on how much your electrical panel has room for as well.
I don't know why you said that drilling through concrete/brick is very labor-intensive. If you have a hammer drill and a drill bit made for concrete, it is super easy to drill, not hard at all. You just gotta have the right tools.
Hi Ryan one question how to apply EV rebated ($3000) ? I am living in California and thinking to get a model Y too , thanks 😊
On the website: cleanvehiclerebate.org/eng
thank you 😊
When/if you move out of this house, are you going to take that installed wall charger with you or will you leave it for the next person who moves in and rents that place?
It's not a wall charger. He added a nema plug so that stays in the house
Electrician here: Important! You need to set the charger to a maximum of 24 amps, as a electric vehicle charging circuit is considered to be a continuous load, and thus the load should only be 80% of the circuit capacity (30Amps X 0.8=24Amps). This is why electrical code requires it to be installed by knowledgeable and trained personnel. Charging at the full circuit capacity for a prolonged period of time on a hot day can lead to the conductors becoming overheated, causing damage to the insulation and the copper, and potentially causing the insulation to melt off the conductors and causing short circuits, and in worst case an actual fire. I have seen it happen from multiple service calls in my work!
The other important issue is that the outlet should always be matched to the circuit capacity, meaning that if the breaker is 30 amps, the outlet should be a NEMA 14-30.
It would not be difficult or expensive to get an electrician to replace the outlet box with the proper outlet in a vertical orientation.
Well done!
That's a bad electrician. Wrong outlet orientation, wrong breaker choice. Wondering what wire gauge did he use. If he uses #6 or #8 copper, for that distance, you can swap out the 30amp breaker with 40amp one, then you can just run on your max 32 amp no problem. Swapping a breaker is an easy 5 minutes job and just $10.
Good to note, thank you
Add to that the landlord will sue you for playing with the electric panel
Allo, Exactement ce que je cherchais! Thanks for your video!
A great "what not to do" video.
On a 30 amp breaker set your charge amps to 24 amps (80% of max load)
Since you wired a 30 Amp circuit you should have installed a 10-30 or 14-30 outlet not a 14-50 outlet. The car only knows what adapter you are using and charges accoridngly, it assumes the outlet was wired correctly.
The adapter is plugged into an email 1450 with the Tesla Sims is a 50 amp breaker because the plug is a 50 amp plug, the electrician should have installed a 240 volt 30 amp plug rated for 30 ampsand then you buy the appropriate adapter from Tesla. On a 30 amp circuit you should not draw more than 80% of the rated amperage when drawing power continuously so you should be dialing it down to 24 amps
we don't know what gauge wire the electrician installed. we do know the electrician installed a 50A plug and a 30A breaker. so scenario 1: replace breaker to 50A IF the electrician installed 6AWG copper wire OR scenario 2: replace the plug to 30A AND buy the 30A Tesla adapter, IF the electrician installed 10AWG
Hopefully you had the electrician back to rotate the outlet for you. Probably for $35 or less. Thank you for your videos. I need to learn how to show the cameras. Lol
He did ya dirty bro. He should have put it vertical. Electric 101. You can get a holder for the tesla charger and could probably flip it to the other side. (Flip the 14-50)
New channel it’s cool I subscribed lol ✔️
Haha thanks!
SCE may give you a credit, because they appear to charge about the most anywhere for electricity.
Did you ask your landlord to pay for this electrical install? Some may as a properly installed circuit does increase the home's value.
Yikes...you should only be charging at 24A on a 30A breaker. Continuous loads should only pull 80% of the breaker’s max rating. This electrician made a serious fuck up by not installing a 14-30. The Tesla thinks it can charge at 32A because the 14-50 adapter is connected and a 14-50 should be connected to a 50A breaker. I’m sure everyone has already told you this though.
Nice video Ryan! What made you branch out to this channel? Great content!
Just want to be able to do more specific videos like this
Did you call your electrician to see what he would charge to move it to a vertical position?
Paint that wall lol - it's just $40 paint and sweat - u might be there longer lol
Lol he said he’s renting it which is why the paint looks that way and he’s not touching it
Ryan-good, informative video! Wish I could mute the pointless noise,"music" so I could hear you better.
First subscriber gang
Woot woot!
Is the Tesla box on the cable waterproof?
Hello Ryan I like your videos,but I had the same concerns like the comments below when I watched your video. I am a retired electrician and installed my NEMA 14-50 on a 100 Amp panel in a my condo. I would like to have the opportunity to show my installation on a video for Tesla owners with a low amperage main. My installation passed the association Bord and the City inspection after six months. I can charge now with 38 Amps with no problems. If you are interested in the project please let me know, it would help others with the same problems. I live in Redwood City CA.
Hi Tango2020,
I have a 100 amp breaker on my main panel. Can I safely have the electrician install a 60 amp breaker in my garage tapped to the main and then run a conduit to install a Tesla wall connector? I want to charge at a maximum of 48 amps from my wall connector to car.
@@paulk5034 Hello Paul, You can safely install a 60 Amp Breaker on to your 100 amp but you have to install a trans-fare switch so the rest of the load is turned off. I have a contact-er installed and that disconnects all my 220V appliances and trans fares the power to the 60 Amp breaker by a push of the control button. Ask your electrician to calculate what he has to turn off in order to draw safely the 60 amps.
The more I read the more confused I get. Can I install, with a 100 amp service, a 40 amp circuit breaker, and a 8 gauge wire? For a Tesla Y. thank you
@@yt571423 I can understand! I used # 4 with a 70 Amp breaker. Why? Because if you charge for five hours or more the breaker and the wire will get hot. I like to keep everything warm to the touch. In order to make it legal and save you have to disconnect load (oven, drier AC) until your 100 amp can take the calculated 70 Amp and rest of the house load. You have to install on each a transfare contactor so under no circumstances there is total load +Tesla charger.If you know an electrician you can tell him, I used the schematic like a STOP START motor station. Hope that will give you a closer knowledge of the installation. Greetings from CA and good luck.
Maybe on of this days I make a Video with all the schematics.
You could have specified to the electrician which way to install the NEMA plug. He literally could've installed the plug in any of the four directions. it is not the electricians fault. The electrician can still change it.
Exactly my thought too. It was little arrogant when he said it was electrician’s fault. It bugged me a bit. He should have told the electrician what way not blame him afterwards.
Why the new channel Ryan?
Just want to get more detailed on subjects
Lol. You need to take this video down.. it's dangerous
how to charge for 2 teslas at home? what are the options? thanks
Ryan did you also apply for residential charging equipment? California have a tax credit for electric cars?
Customers who purchase qualified residential charging equipment between January 1, 2018 and December 31, 2020 may receive a tax credit of up to $1,000.
How do you apply to that if I may ask?
@@carlosmoreno7732 $1000 SCE application at www.evrebates.sce.com/login, $2000 Clean Vehicle Rebate Project at cleanvehiclerebate.org/login, Plus $1000 EV Resident installation Tax Credit!
Man, if that's your own house, definitely add an elbow and straighten the outlet up. :)
Renting, so yeah it's not as much of a priority, but I might anyway haha
Tesla recommendation is to install a 40A circuit breaker for the mobile charger
I have a Nema 14-50 on a 40 amp circuit. With only 100 amp service to my house and garage., 40 amps is about as high a level as I could go. I could only do 40 amps because I had a gas heated clothes dryer and gas cooking range and gas furnace--other wise I may have needed to needed to drop down to a 30 amp circuit.
He explained why he only used the 30A breaker - the electrician advised that was the maximum size his panel could accommodate. Very important not to exceed the capacity of your electrical service panel !!!
Andrew Leavitt But even more important is not installing a receptacle that’s rated for more than the breaker! Yikes!
Comments are great
@@drdrew3 the maximum mobile charger can deliver is 32A however the 40A circuit breaker will ensure no tripping in the middle of charging session
Exactly what we did. We actually purchased the $500 Tesla Wall charger but returned it (luckily they did accept the return because often they do not!). We also used the NEMA 14-50 plug outlet and set it to output up to 40 amps. Works great. It takes a bit of a struggle to pull that big fat plug out of the wall every time we go on a trip but my wife refuses to spend $500 for the Tesla wall charger! (what with Covid-19, we seldom travel so I guess she's right!)
For what its worth: We have now started using the 110 Volt outlet in the garage and not the 240 Volt. We don't drive around much after retirement so it can happily sit there 16 hours, 24 hours, doing 4-5 miles per hour. That's usually good for 3 days. Or more. The reason is that the higher the voltage used on a regular basis, the more the battery can get, um, hardened and it will start allowing less and less charge. It was 310 miles when we got the car in 2018 and now it only goes up to 290-295. Apparently, frequent use of the Tesla Superchargers decreases charge capacity even more than using the 240 Volt outlet. I have a relative who did use Superchargers quite a bit, and after 2 years he can only charge up to 260-270 miles. Come ON, Tesla, and work faster on that new fancy 4680 million mile battery! :)
Now you know for the next one....install the outlet with the ground up so plug and cable hang down
Violation National Electrical Code.
Installed breaker is not rated for your existing panel.
I’m more concerned about the receptacle not being rated for the breaker. Skeptical that the electrician installed the right gauge wire too, considering literally everything else he did was wrong
Just turn off the breaker, open the NEMA 14-50 outlet, rotate the female plug in the box, put the cover back on, turn on the breaker. It is stupidly easy and as long as the breaker is off you cannot be harmed...
That being stated, if the house has Air Conditioning, , Electric Hot Water and Electric Stove, I doubt that there was technically enough Load in that box even to handle a 30 Amp continuous draw. I cringe when I read & see some installations on YouTub.
Thanks for posting this video
My two cents, pony up the extra money and get the Tesla wall charger. No dealing with popped breakers and you get a 48A charging rate. Plus, it just looks cool, like the car. If you are going to buy a 70k Model Y, don't suddenly cheap out on yourself.
당신은 멋쟁이!!!
Once you know. It’s easy to install. I got it done in less than $200. No wires visible.
What amp should I set for a Tesla wall charger?
Knew you looked like someone I'm subscribed too
I, have noticed the ‘T “ in Tesla is red on the charger
What could this indicated /
Mine Tesla is coming Monday and says "Lithium Ion Traction Battery w/7.7 kW Onboard Charger, 8.5 Hrs Charge Time @ 220/240V and 50"- what does this mean for me? What do I need to do?!