The descrepancy will be you not being on the blue line. Just think, moving across to the side of road for a water will add 10 to 20 metres every time. Plus dodging crowds. Going around the outside of a bend rather than racing line. These little things all add up (plus like you say the GPS not being 100%).
@@andydevinewine in Frankfurt the line is blue, and this line has been blue at least since 1984, long before the money chasers founded some money printing machine, called marathon majors edit: blue is the color for all german city marathons, because yellow and white are colors, used on a regular basis on the streets
Extra distance is normal for any substantially long race due to not running the tangents. Only elites and runners at the pointy end tend to run the tangents, as those further back are less likely to be able to due to crowding, bobbing and weaving etc. The fact you ran towards bins and water stops would have added distance too. The 200m at the beginning and end of the marathon demonstrate this quite well - unless you ran in the innermost lane 1, i.e against the rail, you'd have added distance rounding those bends. Let's say you ran in lane 3 (only approx 4 meters from the inner edge) - that's an extra 15 meters. So yes, always expect to run substantially further, and trust mile markers rather than your auto-laps.
Mad how its added almost a km though, my deviation was minimal, but in hindsight maybe my progress was more like a Crab/a young Scott Parker... watch clocked 400m longer than my Brighton race and I was waaaaay more dodgy and weavy in that race! Funny old game!
Congrats Andy, it has been amazing seeing how far you’ve come in such a short while. Marathons (as you know) are hard and always leaves you afterwards to say “what if”.. just remember, we’re fortunate at the moment that there will always be other races as long as we stay healthy and motivated. Keep up the great content ❤ Anxious to hear what’s coming next 🙌🏼
Cheers mate, excellently put! Nothing booked as of yet - but we will see! I've got a half at the end of the year but I'll enjoy winding down from a loaded year!
Hey Andy....I have just seen your video from Valenzia 2024 and now the Amsterdam and I see you question - with every one others - the lenght of the cource and it measured 42.83 km and not 42.2 kms and when I did the Berlin marathon I was told afterwards by friends that stood in the finish area that they were told by the speaker that the route actually were about 43-43.5 kms because of the swing and swang of the roads and that is was almost impossible to measure exactly 42.2 kms when it should be in Berlin and the perfect marker are the three blue stripes in the middle of the road across the city that this must be the most exactly route and should be exactly 42.2 kms. But I did not know that and I was forced by police cars that drove up beside me and shouted to me to run on the pavement !!!! I then went in to run on the pavement and then down on the road again when the police was driven away hehehe and they just came back again and again to shout to me to run on the pavement and then I at last when I got quite annoyed by them I shouted back :" Sorry but I dont understand english or deutsch or any other language than danish and that marathons are athletics and that I just followed the seven kenyans that just had reached the goal......" I was then running at the road after this incident and well I was a newbie in marathon but well I have paid 1200 kr for the medal and 2000 kr to entry the marathon -I have travelled in bus from the north of Denmark and I did think they might show a little bit of respect. But take care in BErlin if its warm the water stations so early shut down. I did not get ANY water from the water stations and I just had 3 small small bottles of water with me and nothin else - nothing else. I survived and I got the time 5 hours and it was my first marathon and an angel came to me about 2 ks from the finish line with his daughter and they ran with me the last kms and I got the medal at last and I did not quite understood it -- I often look at the medal and think of it and well the medal is hanging there and I ran 42.2 + km in 5 hours well I have never tried that before. But it was great man. Inga DK.
I'm the same with Gels, this was my first marathon and I found myself running 2 or 3km with an empty gel packet until I found a bin! Think we must have been close during the whole race but I never bumped into you 😅. Good job on the pacing, you did much better than me!
Sounds like we may have had a similar race if you were close behind! Well done for getting it done, marathons are brutal. For some reason I just can't chuck them on the floor!
Mine measured 42.64km on Sunday on a Garmin 955 with dual-band GNSS. It's surprising how much not running the tangents and weaving through traffic can add to a race and there are always lots of little gps inaccuracies if you look in detail, through half a km does seem high. I can recommend using Garmin PacePro (if your watch has it) with a course map to help with pacing though... the gps course was 42.7km but it does tell you if you're ahead or behind your goal time and doesn't matter if your GPS goes haywire at some point because it corrects itself to the point you're currently at on the course. You do need to run slightly faster than goal pace (a few seconds per km) according to the watch to hit goal time though.
Cheers Dom, I'll look into PP. I didn't realise that you could 'run the course' on your watch, that seems very sensible! Yes I learned the hard way about running splits to the watch!
Hi Andy! I have run over twenty marathons and in absolutely all of them I ran at least half a kilometer more than the official distance. The measurements they do for the courses are a sequence of straight lines. You could only do that if you were running alone on the course. With a gazillion people near you, you will always have to run around people and over time that adds up. I ran the Amsterdam marathon, but I was further behind, I was in the green wave, and it was a mess. At the beginning there was a lot of pushing and bumping into one another, there were way too many runners in our group, it was crowded. My thought at the time was that they were a victim of their own success. So, because of all that, if someone were to ask me, I would not recommend the Amsterdam marathon at all. By the way, my time was a little over 4h19m, which for me was pretty good, especially considering that the Sunday before that I had run another marathon in Munich...
Hi Valdir, thanks for your comment - I had no idea it was very congested and difficult just a few minutes behind me. That also makes perfect sense about the distances - it all adds up!
Hi Andy, huge congratulations on your Amsterdam and Brighton marathon performances. I found your channel following this year's GNR and was amused to find that we were probably not far from each other (I think you started a wave up from me, and I came in at 1:47, but the band on the roundabout were still playing Mr Brightside as I was coming past). Since then I have been catching up on all of your videos and was amused to see you doing everything I was doing as we both prepared for our first marathons (using Ben Parkes Improver Marathon Plan as well as following S&C sessions with The Running Channel). If you have not come across the Mike's Running channel, he was also in a similar boat in Jan-April as he was preparing (like me) for Edinburgh, and he similarly was doing the same things. I found his channel as I was also preparing for Edinburgh (which didn't go well, but that's a topic for another day). Been really inspired watching your videos and I'm looking forward to seeing where you go next. I too am trying to break the elusive 4 hours, and hopefully will do that in Manchester in April. Keep making great content and more of Laura, the real star of your channel. Her loyalty in coming to so many of your races is amazing and really excited to seeing her own running journey (second channel?!?). Hope we get a chance to meet at a race in future.
Cheers Gethin! What a coincidence, hopefully we will improve at similar levels. Huge thanks for your kind words and yes it would be great to see you at a race one day ❤️
Thank you, very wise words. I agree, I haven't learned so much this last few months. Really enjoyed it and great feeling to get another one completed 😀
super solid pacing, great job i don`t quite understand this garmin thing. I know the person, who is remeasuring and spraying the line for the Frankfurt marathon, and Frankfurt is similar in size an prestige as Amsterdam, and i know the course is just a few meter longer than 42.195 k, in case a world best is run, to make it count. All those gps watches are off a little, and that has nothing to do with trust, the wrist gps watches are just wrong
It's a very strange thing how it can be so inaccurate but understandable I guess as so many signals from others watches are being used in a very close proximity. It's bound to be inaccurate data, we just have to trust that courses are measured correctly. There is obvious reasonable doubt though as what's happened in the news with Eilish McColgans 10k in Scotland.
@@itsonandy for many years a former school buddy of mine has put the blue line on the Frankfurt marathon course ( there is a youtube video about him, Harry Eisenkopf, Herr der blauen Linie) and he explained to me how exact the measuring is done and how often it gets checked again. Those big city marathons cannot risk to loose their credibility. In smaller races often the course is measured wrong ( probably 90 % of all park runs).....unfortunately my life time pb in the 10k was run on a course, which at least was 50 meter short
Congrats on the PB Andy! You're an animal brother! Great time. I just ran my 3rd ever half marathon 3 days ago & PR'd that! 2 hrs & 7 min. Hopefully break sub 2 next yr! Keep the videos coming mate, very entertaining!
Great job, enjoyed watching your videos and your training! I was in the Green starting area (started after Orange) and finished at 4:19:11 (it was my first marathon). My Garmin also measured a slightly longer distance of 42,93km (so my Garmin marathon PR registered at 4:14:49).
@@itsonandy Thank you for your reply! Yes it went great, I was aiming for 4:20 or 4:30 so I was stoked when I stopped my watch after crossing the finish line to see I made it 😃
I did the Amsterdam marathon and my polar watch measured 42.79km so perhaps the course was long. My finish time was 3:28:52 but my watch time over the marathon distance was 3:25:49 so would have been a PB if the course was measured at 42.2km. I really enjoyed the route overall and music on route.
Well done Fraser! Incredible effort, and I too am scratching my head how we racked up such an extra distance. I'd expect 2-300 m extra but 650m extra? That suggests I stopped for a look around the rijksmuseum, and then popped the river for a quick few lengths 🤣
congratulations again Andy. I never throw my empty gel packets on the floor. hate it when people do. distance of the course i imagine is correct you will have just a little further, that is quite usual
in joyed your video Isaid to my friend I like to do the Amanda mathanth I we entered London for April 3 time trying to get in I did chester marathon3 weeks ago time 5 45 love running started 4 half years ago best thing I did
Nice Andy ! ❤🎉!!About the Garmin distance 42800 m ish ! That could be correct you know ! The reason beeing that you did not cut corners!!! You should learn something from this ! Right ??! Beeing aware that the shortest distance between two points is a straight line !!
I struggle to accept that I ran an extra 650m... But obviously I have to accept it as I trust that the course measurements are bang on. I guess those extra Metres add up over 42,195!
I am so happy for you!! Well done Andy!!! I definitely think the course was longer, I measured at 42.76km, so I definitely think there’s something there.. I can feel the excitement in your voice, you deserve this! All the hard work has paid off 🥹🎉🎉🎉🎉
Great to meet you!!! You did so well and thanks for coming over to say hi! It's a head scratcher for sure isn't it, and shows you need to be prepared to go the extra mile! Literally...🤣
Brilliant video as always mate. I've taken you advise and down loaded BP marathon plan. Will start just before Christmas intime for either London or Brighton 🤞 Definitely not going off too fast is a must, I'm guilty all the time. But didn't in the Amsterdam Half and 6 minute PB'D. ANY thoughts on your next race?
That's good to hear mate and the plan I followed first time round prepared me brilliantly for my first Marathon! All I know is that I have alton towers half marathon coming up in Nov, and Hampton Court Half in March and so far that's it. There will be more I'm sure!
The descrepancy will be you not being on the blue line. Just think, moving across to the side of road for a water will add 10 to 20 metres every time. Plus dodging crowds. Going around the outside of a bend rather than racing line. These little things all add up (plus like you say the GPS not being 100%).
I was thinking the same too and was to comment👍 congrats to PB though.
Is there a blue line in non marathon majors?
@@PoetWithPace maybe not blue but most marathons have broken or solid lines throughout for the 26.2...
@@andydevinewine in Frankfurt the line is blue, and this line has been blue at least since 1984, long before the money chasers founded some money printing machine, called marathon majors
edit: blue is the color for all german city marathons, because yellow and white are colors, used on a regular basis on the streets
@@justanoldfashionedrunner605 thanks for the info 👌👌👌
Extra distance is normal for any substantially long race due to not running the tangents. Only elites and runners at the pointy end tend to run the tangents, as those further back are less likely to be able to due to crowding, bobbing and weaving etc. The fact you ran towards bins and water stops would have added distance too. The 200m at the beginning and end of the marathon demonstrate this quite well - unless you ran in the innermost lane 1, i.e against the rail, you'd have added distance rounding those bends. Let's say you ran in lane 3 (only approx 4 meters from the inner edge) - that's an extra 15 meters. So yes, always expect to run substantially further, and trust mile markers rather than your auto-laps.
Mad how its added almost a km though, my deviation was minimal, but in hindsight maybe my progress was more like a Crab/a young Scott Parker... watch clocked 400m longer than my Brighton race and I was waaaaay more dodgy and weavy in that race! Funny old game!
Congrats Andy, it has been amazing seeing how far you’ve come in such a short while. Marathons (as you know) are hard and always leaves you afterwards to say “what if”.. just remember, we’re fortunate at the moment that there will always be other races as long as we stay healthy and motivated.
Keep up the great content ❤ Anxious to hear what’s coming next 🙌🏼
Cheers mate, excellently put! Nothing booked as of yet - but we will see! I've got a half at the end of the year but I'll enjoy winding down from a loaded year!
Hey Andy....I have just seen your video from Valenzia 2024 and now the Amsterdam and I see you question - with every one others - the lenght of the cource and it measured 42.83 km and not 42.2 kms and when I did the Berlin marathon I was told afterwards by friends that stood in the finish area that they were told by the speaker that the route actually were about 43-43.5 kms because of the swing and swang of the roads and that is was almost impossible to measure exactly 42.2 kms when it should be in Berlin and the perfect marker are the three blue stripes in the middle of the road across the city that this must be the most exactly route and should be exactly 42.2 kms. But I did not know that and I was forced by police cars that drove up beside me and shouted to me to run on the pavement !!!! I then went in to run on the pavement and then down on the road again when the police was driven away hehehe and they just came back again and again to shout to me to run on the pavement and then I at last when I got quite annoyed by them I shouted back :" Sorry but I dont understand english or deutsch or any other language than danish and that marathons are athletics and that I just followed the seven kenyans that just had reached the goal......" I was then running at the road after this incident and well I was a newbie in marathon but well I have paid 1200 kr for the medal and 2000 kr to entry the marathon -I have travelled in bus from the north of Denmark and I did think they might show a little bit of respect. But take care in BErlin if its warm the water stations so early shut down. I did not get ANY water from the water stations and I just had 3 small small bottles of water with me and nothin else - nothing else. I survived and I got the time 5 hours and it was my first marathon and an angel came to me about 2 ks from the finish line with his daughter and they ran with me the last kms and I got the medal at last and I did not quite understood it -- I often look at the medal and think of it and well the medal is hanging there and I ran 42.2 + km in 5 hours well I have never tried that before. But it was great man. Inga DK.
I'm the same with Gels, this was my first marathon and I found myself running 2 or 3km with an empty gel packet until I found a bin! Think we must have been close during the whole race but I never bumped into you 😅.
Good job on the pacing, you did much better than me!
Sounds like we may have had a similar race if you were close behind! Well done for getting it done, marathons are brutal. For some reason I just can't chuck them on the floor!
Mine measured 42.64km on Sunday on a Garmin 955 with dual-band GNSS. It's surprising how much not running the tangents and weaving through traffic can add to a race and there are always lots of little gps inaccuracies if you look in detail, through half a km does seem high. I can recommend using Garmin PacePro (if your watch has it) with a course map to help with pacing though... the gps course was 42.7km but it does tell you if you're ahead or behind your goal time and doesn't matter if your GPS goes haywire at some point because it corrects itself to the point you're currently at on the course. You do need to run slightly faster than goal pace (a few seconds per km) according to the watch to hit goal time though.
Cheers Dom, I'll look into PP. I didn't realise that you could 'run the course' on your watch, that seems very sensible! Yes I learned the hard way about running splits to the watch!
Hi Andy!
I have run over twenty marathons and in absolutely all of them I ran at least half a kilometer more than the official distance. The measurements they do for the courses are a sequence of straight lines. You could only do that if you were running alone on the course. With a gazillion people near you, you will always have to run around people and over time that adds up.
I ran the Amsterdam marathon, but I was further behind, I was in the green wave, and it was a mess. At the beginning there was a lot of pushing and bumping into one another, there were way too many runners in our group, it was crowded. My thought at the time was that they were a victim of their own success. So, because of all that, if someone were to ask me, I would not recommend the Amsterdam marathon at all.
By the way, my time was a little over 4h19m, which for me was pretty good, especially considering that the Sunday before that I had run another marathon in Munich...
Hi Valdir, thanks for your comment - I had no idea it was very congested and difficult just a few minutes behind me. That also makes perfect sense about the distances - it all adds up!
Hi Andy, huge congratulations on your Amsterdam and Brighton marathon performances. I found your channel following this year's GNR and was amused to find that we were probably not far from each other (I think you started a wave up from me, and I came in at 1:47, but the band on the roundabout were still playing Mr Brightside as I was coming past). Since then I have been catching up on all of your videos and was amused to see you doing everything I was doing as we both prepared for our first marathons (using Ben Parkes Improver Marathon Plan as well as following S&C sessions with The Running Channel). If you have not come across the Mike's Running channel, he was also in a similar boat in Jan-April as he was preparing (like me) for Edinburgh, and he similarly was doing the same things. I found his channel as I was also preparing for Edinburgh (which didn't go well, but that's a topic for another day). Been really inspired watching your videos and I'm looking forward to seeing where you go next. I too am trying to break the elusive 4 hours, and hopefully will do that in Manchester in April. Keep making great content and more of Laura, the real star of your channel. Her loyalty in coming to so many of your races is amazing and really excited to seeing her own running journey (second channel?!?). Hope we get a chance to meet at a race in future.
Cheers Gethin! What a coincidence, hopefully we will improve at similar levels. Huge thanks for your kind words and yes it would be great to see you at a race one day ❤️
Each marathon or block we learn something new about the distance & ourselves. Well done mate! Great vid :)
Thank you, very wise words. I agree, I haven't learned so much this last few months. Really enjoyed it and great feeling to get another one completed 😀
super solid pacing, great job
i don`t quite understand this garmin thing. I know the person, who is remeasuring and spraying the line for the Frankfurt marathon, and Frankfurt is similar in size an prestige as Amsterdam, and i know the course is just a few meter longer than 42.195 k, in case a world best is run, to make it count. All those gps watches are off a little, and that has nothing to do with trust, the wrist gps watches are just wrong
It's a very strange thing how it can be so inaccurate but understandable I guess as so many signals from others watches are being used in a very close proximity. It's bound to be inaccurate data, we just have to trust that courses are measured correctly. There is obvious reasonable doubt though as what's happened in the news with Eilish McColgans 10k in Scotland.
@@itsonandy for many years a former school buddy of mine has put the blue line on the Frankfurt marathon course ( there is a youtube video about him, Harry Eisenkopf, Herr der blauen Linie) and he explained to me how exact the measuring is done and how often it gets checked again. Those big city marathons cannot risk to loose their credibility. In smaller races often the course is measured wrong ( probably 90 % of all park runs).....unfortunately my life time pb in the 10k was run on a course, which at least was 50 meter short
Congrats on the PB Andy! You're an animal brother! Great time. I just ran my 3rd ever half marathon 3 days ago & PR'd that! 2 hrs & 7 min. Hopefully break sub 2 next yr! Keep the videos coming mate, very entertaining!
Nice one Joe, love hearing about your progress! Sub 2 is coming!!!! ❤️
I remember the Running Junkies crew, great support! Agreed with the Vaporfly v1, amazing trainer. Enjoy the recovery.
Cheers mate. Them shoes are boss. Feeling good so far, basically been at work ever since I've been back 😭
Great job, enjoyed watching your videos and your training! I was in the Green starting area (started after Orange) and finished at 4:19:11 (it was my first marathon). My Garmin also measured a slightly longer distance of 42,93km (so my Garmin marathon PR registered at 4:14:49).
Well done Jacoline, it was an amazing experience, I hope it went that way for you too? 4:19 is a cracking time and I hope you're feeling rested now!
@@itsonandy Thank you for your reply! Yes it went great, I was aiming for 4:20 or 4:30 so I was stoked when I stopped my watch after crossing the finish line to see I made it 😃
Can't beat that finish line feeling, couple with knowing you've achieved something you really wanted to, and more. Well done!
I did the Amsterdam marathon and my polar watch measured 42.79km so perhaps the course was long. My finish time was 3:28:52 but my watch time over the marathon distance was 3:25:49 so would have been a PB if the course was measured at 42.2km. I really enjoyed the route overall and music on route.
Well done Fraser! Incredible effort, and I too am scratching my head how we racked up such an extra distance. I'd expect 2-300 m extra but 650m extra? That suggests I stopped for a look around the rijksmuseum, and then popped the river for a quick few lengths 🤣
Great videos Andy, congrats on a brilliant run and time
Thanks James! I'm feeling unbelievably proud, still don't know how I managed that performance!❤️
congratulations again Andy. I never throw my empty gel packets on the floor. hate it when people do. distance of the course i imagine is correct you will have just a little further, that is quite usual
Yeah I agree, I hate deliberately littering! Sometimes you have to around thr water stations but I depise doing it anywhere else.❤️
The time is incidental. Really great work - sub 4 will come
Cheers Zee! Hopefully 2023 will be the one 🙏
Congratulations for another PB pal! Amsterdam looks amazing, hope the coffee's were out of this world
Hahaha it was a relaxing evening afterwards... Absolutely love The Dam, such a brilliant city. 👏🏻
Well done again Andy! 🥳 If you follow your Garmin splits, you need a new lesson. Are you saying the measurements of the course was wrong?
I'm going back with my ruler!
@@itsonandy LOL
in joyed your video Isaid to my friend I like to do the Amanda mathanth I we entered London for April 3 time trying to get in I did chester marathon3 weeks ago time 5 45 love running started 4 half years ago best thing I did
That's amazing Lorraine, great to hear that you're enjoying it ❤️
Nice Andy ! ❤🎉!!About the Garmin distance 42800 m ish ! That could be correct you know ! The reason beeing that you did not cut corners!!! You should learn something from this ! Right ??! Beeing aware that the shortest distance between two points is a straight line !!
I struggle to accept that I ran an extra 650m... But obviously I have to accept it as I trust that the course measurements are bang on. I guess those extra Metres add up over 42,195!
I am so happy for you!! Well done Andy!!!
I definitely think the course was longer, I measured at 42.76km, so I definitely think there’s something there..
I can feel the excitement in your voice, you deserve this! All the hard work has paid off 🥹🎉🎉🎉🎉
Great to meet you!!! You did so well and thanks for coming over to say hi! It's a head scratcher for sure isn't it, and shows you need to be prepared to go the extra mile! Literally...🤣
I wore my medal during the 5 hour drive home as well 🤣
That's the best way to return home!
Brilliant video as always mate. I've taken you advise and down loaded BP marathon plan. Will start just before Christmas intime for either London or Brighton 🤞
Definitely not going off too fast is a must, I'm guilty all the time. But didn't in the Amsterdam Half and 6 minute PB'D.
ANY thoughts on your next race?
That's good to hear mate and the plan I followed first time round prepared me brilliantly for my first Marathon! All I know is that I have alton towers half marathon coming up in Nov, and Hampton Court Half in March and so far that's it. There will be more I'm sure!
7am the day after a marathon..... I'm definitely asleep haha
Wearing your medal the next day 🤢
I paid thousands of pounds for it kid, I'm fookin wearing it!