Could the modern Luftwaffe win the WWII Battle of Britain?
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This video asks how would a modern day German Luftwaffe fare if it went back through time and replaced the 1940s Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain. Would a much smaller but much more technologically advanced air force defeat the British RAF?
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Not exactly a failure. If we didn’t have any half assed politicians in the war, we could’ve done a lot better
😂 Possibly not, judging by the way things have gone in Afghanistan. But there's still hope.
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1940 German Luftwaffe: Hitler we just lost the battle of Britain
Hitler: Don't worry i got a master plan
Germany's strategy would have been totally different if they had their modern air force. It would be used to knock out the Royal Navy and to provide very effective cover for a land invasion. The psychological shock to Britain faced with such weapons would force an early surrender.
I would say is more important the air supremacy, if Germany obtained that in the battle of England, operation sealion should have been executed without any major problem. Just think that Germany, due his lack of ships, had prepared a lot of naval planes for destroying ships, so the old Luftwaffe alone could just delete the entire home fleet or at least make it stay in port while the Germans ships protect the disembarking/crossing ships.
You mention the psyche side of things got me wondering how London's people would react to simply having low level sonic booms every few minutes for a week.
Personally I think it would have been more interesting if you pitted the modern RAF agains the modern Lufftwaffe in the battle of
Britain
Modern RAF would destroy them.
Germany’s politicians don’t care about the armed forces only neglect there
@@CareraDrift What's the point I don't remember any upcoming war on Germanys border
aff Russian aggression and China
Missles and geography would make that interesting. GB being so compact where would it hide it's aircraft?
Bold of you to assume the 2020 Luftwaffe can get airborne.
Thanks to Von der Leyen and her predecessors
Yeah
100% true still in 2021
I can assure you that it can and does, every day.
I'm sorry, but this analysis is just completely ignoring so many major advantages and tactics that the modern luftwaffe would employ. Modern signal intelligence alone could cripple Britain's ability to communicate and command their forces, and modern air lift and reconnaissance could cause massive imbalances in ground and sea warfare. The modern Luftwaffe wouldn't bother targeting airfields or factories that can be quickly repaired , instead it would sink ships, destroy power plants, specialized production and command centers which take time to replace. Britain would run out of fuel within weeks, as almost every oil refinery and tanker would be on fire, and the german navy would simply own the seas as every British battleship would either be sunk or on the other side of the world.
Bro its not that deep
This is unrealistic anyway
Also complete brainwash of modern Germans they wouldn't fight for the reich
THANK YOU. His "Numbers still matter" is pathetic, even if you had 20,000 Bi-planes, they ain't sh!t
The brits would invite the Germans to tea and cake - after which all would be good
Next up 1776 American navy vs modern Royal Navy
Was a French navy I think
tom egg exactly there basically was no American Navy in 1776 so the modern Royal Navy would completely stomp them.
@@VonTurtle8282 yup, which is why you'll never see that because it would actually have to involve the British WINNING, can't have that can we
any navy that’s not from the late 1900s would get stomped by modern navies bro
@@aeri1148 Late? Do you really think a united states fleet can take on the japanese navy in the 1940's?
I think a few scenarios are missing here. Some alternatives are:
1) use spies and target the leaders.
2) use the planes to provide air cover while launching an amphibious invasion.
3) using planes for naval targets- attack convoys, spot subs, which back then didn't dive very much, launch harpoon missiles from visual range, which is still outside the range of ww2 guns, to take out carriers, battleships, and anything else.
4) If the UK planes get grounded, that opens up the sky for helicopters to launch hellfires at radars and other targets, as well as both providing cover for an amphibious invasion, and carrying troops.
This, with the super-luftwaffe, the germans could achieve short term naval supremacy. WWII navies would simply get annihilated if they stayed in the channel. Germany could simply transport their massive army to the UK, and using the aerial supremacy, destroy the small and pitiful UK army at that time.
Germany had no spies in Britain, there were only double agents working for Britain. As for launching an amphibious assault, still impossible. Not only did Germany not have the ships to attempt it, they would get mulched on the beach by defensive fortifications. At most, Germany could've cobbled together a fleet of barges and fishing craft to hold roughly 100 thousand men, which would have no resupply as they get their lines cut and surrounded by the RN.
As for destroying the RN, they luftwaffe has nowhere near enough ordinance to try that, let alone anti ship missiles if the ships are underway in the channel proper. Then there's all the naval mines, Atlantic, and Pacific squadrons that can be called back home if need be.
About the sea invasion. Germans had 1 working landingcraft which was still a prototype
I think the biggest mistake of this video is ignoring the fact that the Luftwaffe could port-strike the RN, effectively neutralizing it. So, no RAF, no RN, the UK would be in a VERY bad way. Not to mention the Luftwaffe could torch the High Command of each of the three branches at the beginning of operation Sealowe, completely paralyzing the British.
Exactly...... And there are so many reasons why this question is a silly one.... The Battle of Britain RAF and Royal Navy would not see, or even get near, the modern day Luftwaffe aircraft.
The battle of Britain was a prelude to invasion. With the capabilities of the modern Luftwaffe they could simply go ahead. When the Royal navy comes, guided bombs make short work of any ships. Superior fighters clear the sky of any RAF fighters , the troops land and can go on to take airfields, harbors and what more. A long protracted battle in the air is not required. Just focus all power in the crossing over and the Wehrmacht can take care of the rest.
Aside from the fact that the Luftwaffe would run out of ordinance before every British plane, ship, and airfield is smashed, Germany has no way to reach Britain. It's amphibious capabilities were nonexistent and the defenses would've mulched any attempt at landing on the beaches or coming by air.
The entire British 2nd Expedition Corps survived Dunkirk with most of their heavy equipment, the British coast was fortified to hell and back, there were nearly 1000 artillery pieces for the army, hundreds of tanks, 16 infantry divisions, and factories producing more weapons each day. German troops would be slaughtered if they tried.
@@zacharylaprete1940 Not every single ship needs to be disabled before you decide to surrender. I'm pretty sure they'd know they're well before they loose even half...
I can't help but to think that if Germany had these super advanced aircraft at the Battle of Britain, than they wouldn't waste their time fighting an air war when they could just wipe out the Royal Navy, which would help them tremendously more than shooting down the RAF.
Edit: In fact, now that I think about it, Germany could just send an invasion force across the English channel, and the future airforce could destroy anything sent to attack the invasion long before the the invasion itself faces any risk of damage.
Yes, they wouldn't be towing wooden troop barges across the Channel....... They would have a real force to be reckoned with, even though they may have fewer fighter aircraft today. Taken right across the board, their modern technology would swamp us. Remember the fantasy film "Final Countdown?"
Well in 1940 the Germans also would not have got near the USS Nimitz. And we are 40 years onward from that film, so nothing stands still.
Think also about in-flight refueling, helicopters, transport planes and other modern day advantages. No deal!
I haven't done any research on this topic so I'm just blindly brainstorming here... but would it be possible for the modern German Luftwaffe in this case to ensure the success of the war in the Atlantic, rather than the Battle of Britain? What if, instead of focusing on the far too numerous and easily repairable production centers and airstrips in the UK, the Germans simply use those advanced planes to track and sink cargo vessels bound for the UK across the Atlantic... besieging the UK not only with their U-boats, but also with their nigh-invincible air force? Could they starve Britain out of the war this way.
Alternatively, what if the Luftwaffe simply focused on bombing Royal Navy ships and ports directly with their guided munitions (as opposed to bombing airfields). IRL the reason the Germans wanted air supremecy was so they Luftwaffe could harass and remove from play much of the Royal Navy unhindered, paving the way for Sea Lion. In this scenario, destroying the RAF is irrelevant to attaining air superiority, as the modern Luftwaffe would already have near uncontested air superiority inside of a few days of skirmishing. At this point it should be free to target the Royal Navy battleships, heavy cruisers, and other dangerous vessels in port. If enough damage is done to the Royal Navy in and around the Channel region, the UK government or populace my fear the possibility of legitimate amphibious invasion (Nazi German landing craft were not numerous or wildly developed, but your average MP or citizen in the UK wouldn't know that), making it easier to demand a negotiated peace from them.
Just a couple possible ideas for different tactics the Germans could hypothetically use in order to win the war with their new fleet of advanced aircraft.
@Nub93 I'm well aware that actually conducting Sea Lion would still be unfeasible even with air supremacy and nominal naval control of the Channel... as I said German amphibious landing technology was in its infancy, and only prototypes had actually been produced. Supplying forces across channel would be logistically difficult in the extreme without a major and sustained shift in production priorities towards shipyards building transport and supply vessels (the availability of modern military cargo planes with their large carrying capacity could hypothetically provide help with cross channel supply on a surface level, but only as a propaganda tool as in reality the air transport fleet would still be far too small to support anything remotely near the scale of a WW2 wehrmacht invasion force. Would be interesting to see what Goebbels could do with footage of panzers rolling out of a modern transport plane though).
All of that said however, the goal is not really to actually conduct Operation Sea Lion... the goal is more so to make the British public and members of the British parliament fear that you could do so at any time. Drive up insecurity (and if possible also besiege the UK by whatever extent possible), and attempt to foment political dissent with Churchill and the continuity of the war on the basis of largely unfounded public fears that the UK will go the way of France if it doesn't accept a peace offer. Churchill cabinet was fragile at best even in our timeline, with serious risks early on that it could collapse due to war weariness and fears following the fall of France that the Germans advance was unstoppable. Fear was high, even if the need for it was severely overhyped (heck, even in the US after it's entry into the war there were newspaper articles portraying hypothetical simultaneous German-Japanese invasion of North America as possible within a matter of years). Civilians, and many of their political representatives in the legislative branch, are mostly clueless with regard to military logistics and capabilities and base all their judgements on pure, perceived, military strength. To your average civilian in the UK the fall of France might as well have meant that Germany could seize the UK too because the two powers were comparable in strength and the Germans took down the French in a matter of weeks. These two operations would be entirely different, but civilians don't tend to think that way... and at the end of the day it's what the civilians think that matters in a representative democracy where MPs decide on the government and make their decisions based on fears of re-election prospects. The goal in destroying the Royal Navy in the Channel isn't to actually conduct Sea Lion, it's to trick the largely oblivious and fearful civilian populace across the channel into thinking you plan to do so, and that by extension you could do so if and when you so choose. You don't need to be able to pull of Sea Lion... only convince the average British voter that you could do it, and they could go the way of France if the government doesn't quit the war and quickly. Propagandization of the destruction of "Britain's Shield" could potentially win the war, without a single German boot having to set foot on an English beach.
I mean the luftwaffe at 1940 doesn’t equip the modern technology unlike the british ones at this decade so yeah
@@SkiddyGaming All the British would have to do is move their ships into neutral Irish ports and let the Germans provoke the Irish to join the conflict by ha ving their ports bombed or stop bombing the ships. A German Pearl Harbour would probably ensue.
@@frogchip6484 oh no, a smaller island joined the conflict. Anyways...
My question is, why is the Luftwaffe going after factories and land targets? The Battle of Britain was intended for Germany to gain air supremacy over the island. Once that was accomplished, the British Navy would need to be defeated. Only then could Operation Sealion have a chance of success. In the real war it was important for Germany to bomb radar stations, airfields, factories, etc. in order to whittle down the RAF via attrition. In this timeline, though, air supremacy can be achieved just through Eurofighters sweeping the skies of planes. There isn't any need to go after factories and land targets at that point. The Luftwaffe should focus its attention at destroying the Royal Navy so that the Kreigsmarine can adequately assemble, deploy, and protect and invasion force. There's no reason for the Luftwaffe to be going after ground targets in this scenario.
Aside from the fact that the Luftwaffe have nowhere near enough ordinance to knock out every capital ship guarding Britain herself, the Germans were never going to starve Britain into submission. The Kriegsmarine never sunk even a quarter of the tonnage that was required to starve the British isles of supplies. This is also ignoring the overseas naval forces and the continued delivery of American ships being transferred to the RN. Britain had more minesweepers and mine layers than Germany had ships. An invasion across the channel was never going to happen.
@@zacharylaprete1940 I never said that the Luftwaffe's attempts to take on the Royal Navy would be successful, only that attacking ground targets in Britain after the objectives of the air war over Britain were accomplished doesn't make sense, and next target for the Luftwaffe on the road to Sealion is the Royal Navy.
Also, if operation Sealion is launched, then German strategy would have shifted from trying to "siege out" the islands to trying to "storm the castle". The job of the Kriegsmarine during Sealion would be diverted almost entirely to protecting the invasion force from air and naval attacks, not trade interdiction. With that in mind, I don't see the purpose of bringing up the inability of the Kriegsmarine to successfully blockade Britain in this context.
@@PitterPatter20 Germany's amphibious capabilities were nearly nonexistent during WW2. The projected number of troops they expected in total for an invasion of the British isles was 100k men in total. Assuming half of those men reach the beaches, because the other half will either have been sent to the bottom of the channel, or shot out of the sky, the defensive fortifications along the British coast, as well as British Atlantic and Pacific forces being called back home, means that those troops will have no resupply and will be worn down by the numerically superior British forces.
@@zacharylaprete1940 I don't know why you keep talking as if my argument is that Sealion could have succeeded. You haven't even addressed any of my points. You're talking past me here.
@@PitterPatter20 The Luftwaffe would be wasting its time going after the RN since there'd be no gain in doing so. Knocking out factories, radar, and government centers would pay off better.
18:00 "Engine accidents due to inferior fuel" would be uncommon. Eurofighter engines have a tolerance for different octane levels and WW2 German fuel was not somehow more polluted than acceptable.
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Let's play "Spot the people who just read the title, but not watch the video."
Would have preferred modern RAF vs modern Luftwaffle.
RAF curbstomps the Germans.
How about a 1993 Great Britain transported lock, stock, and barrel (the entire island to include US units based in country) through time to 1943 at the expense of the all allied forces in the North Atlantic and UK excluding the Med?
I mean, what would even be the point of that? The RAF just flat out wins.
Germany has extremely competent military today, as they did in 39'... but it is a fraction of the relative capability compared to the english as it was back then.
The UK and German use the Eurofighter typhoon and the tornado
Can the Roman legion beat the modern Chinese military
Sure.
As a chinese, i know the corruption in chinese army is a big problem. Because of the poor quality of made in CHINA, most of the modern weapon in china is not working actually.
If the Roman legion was armed with modern weapons who could tell.
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@xiax No just no
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The video ignores the psychological effect this would have. After a week or so of getting utterly demolished (and without knowing that the German resources would be limited), could there be a chance of Britain thinking "this sucks, let's get out of this war and ask for a ceasefire"?
Hey! At 2:12 binkov addressed this. He didn't want to consider this factor for simplicity.
I think you'll find that Churchill, the Government cabinet and especially the opposition, and the Royal Family would have gone and left us very quickly and quietly...
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Wouldn't modern fighters just wipe out the royal navy?
Modern Luftwaffe has no real naval training or equipment.
Nowhere near enough ordinance or experience to do so.
They might still have some Tornado Pilots leftover from their naval Aviation Service, and given attacking a ship with a guided bomb shouldn't be that much more dificult then attacking a moving tank, the pilots trained for ground attacks should be able to deal with ships.And while the Royal Navy was big, it didn't have more major sufrace combatants (carriers, capital ships, cruisers, destroyers) than the Luftwaffe has guided bombs, so the Kriegsmarine could frely roam the seas around Britain, which would not surivive such a blockade.
nope.
the fighter jets would be under a barrage of anti aircraft fire and also you wouldn't put a dint on a battleship. it took a week of constant bombardment and hundreds of bombs and torpedoes, to sink the Bismark. obviously not all ships are that strong, but Britain had many similar ships and had a fleet of over 2000 ships. you simply wouldn't have the firepower
@@stefanm886 All that is doing is adding even more targets though to an already too little munitions base to generate enough sorties against the country. There is no way that Germany is able to "blockade" the country entirely via that, especially when most ASW ops for escort was carried out by mass producible small ships.
I am not bored enough for this scenario
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Would 700 thermonuclear bombs be able to defeat this caveman with a wooden club?
This is literally what your doing here
@Heer Kommando if its a civilisation game I've had medievil archers shoot down my cruise missiles and cavemen bash my tanks apart lol
Ik the nuclear bomb wouldn’t even scratch the cave man
Not really as of 2018 germany had 4 eurofughters active to be honest thats quite pathetic they lack fundng which shouldnt be tha case for a nato member
The real galaxy brain move would be to keep the modern forces in Germany on guard duty, and send WW2 aircraft out as they are being rebuilt (or only send out modern propeller driven aircraft to maintain the illusion)
Any british planes that enter Germany would instantly be destroyed, meaning nobody returns to report their findings
Then send a few modern bombers out at night every so often and at high altitude, they'd never see (or likely hear) it coming
Not only would it make the missiles and smart munitions last longer before being depleted, but eventually the british would either stop sending aircraft and crews to their doom, or they would simply run out of resources to send more, ultimately resulting in a German victory
And once britain eventually slows down (or stops) the bombing raids due to a lack of resources, you could troll them by mopping up their remaining aircraft with a swarm of modern fighters, and take out their airbases with cruise missiles, while zooming right over london on full afterburner during high noon
That would be a much more effective battle plan than what was shown in this video
Ultimately what wins a war like WW2 is production. But I think the modern luftwaffe isn’t being used intelligently here. It would make far more sense to use them as part of combined arms force in an actual invasion. A modern luftwaffe would be foolish to attempt the suppressing of industry. Their precision weapons would utterly annihilate the Royal Navy, something that could not easily be replaced, and THAT would change the future of the war. Control the seas, then use the modern planes as a spearhead for an actual landing-or just dedicate them to sinking every ship that attempts to sail to or from England. On a bomb per bomb basis, that would inflict the most damage on British resources.
Sending them out on steady sorties would be a waste of their potential. Better to hold them in reserve and use them to win the most crucial offensives. Or use them to eliminate radar installations while the period Luftwaffe went to work, and maybe run escort missions for period bombers using guns only.
I agree and so do a lot of other comments.
...................But that's not what this scenario is, and not the question asked.
That's like saying "Could Muhammad Ali defeat Mike Tyson with one hand? Yeah if he used both"
@@50shekels Possibly that is what the scenario should be and this is a dumb video? This is the only bad binkov video he has ever done.
I agree.
@@Schmidty1 Its not a bad video. It asks a question that has been asked by the majority of viewers. Look at the polls. If you add more factors then we won't have a clear answer.
Pretty sure they wouldn’t bother refighting the Battle of Britain. They would destroy the helpless Royal Navy in a couple of days and violà. Operation Sealion is a reality. They would not need to destroy every single target and plane in Britain before getting started. The numerical advantage of 1940s planes couldn’t be that useful. There’s probably a reason why no modern air force says “Hey! Let’s build a hundred Mustangs instead of just one measly F15.” Honestly, these counterfactual scenarios are cool thought experiments. But maybe try something that would give each side a fighting chance.
Totally agree. Binkov should rework the video based on this focus. Would also be interesting to see what difference modern helicopters would have had - even if only luftwaffe choppers went back surely it would be easier to manufacture in-period versions based on those.
a hundred mustangs would definitely be more useful than one f-15. and cost much more.
Stephen Payton Interesting thought about the helicopters. They would be great ground support for Sea-lion. Not sure how many or what kind of helicopters the Modern Luftwaffe has, though. They might be part of the Bundeswehr ground forces and not the air force. In fact, why not transport the entire modern German army and see how it would fair in 1940. If restricted to its modern size, and only its current stockpiles I would guess it would either win very quickly, or collapse after a few months. And it would be much too small to occupy Great Britain, much less the USSR later on. Then again, I don’t think the Bundeswehr has many landing craft. The 1989 West German army I think would have a much better chance.
This is like asking wether a roman legion could win against an apache attack helicopter....
You've got the same problem there, in the short run, yes. In a longer fight...
It is, but that's a question without a certain answer. Disperse the legion, use up the Apaches ammo and fuel, attack it when it lands.
LOL
But let's not forget what achieving air superiority over Britain was all about (as Binky mostly does here, and this video doesn't take into account a change in German strategy!): facilitating a land invasion - if the Luftwaffe can cover a seaborn invasion - which it would be able to, Britain is done for it. The historical Royal Navy and R.A.F. would not be able to do much damage to such a project. And the Luftwaffe, with its limited modern ammo, should not focus on historical targets as much as simply protecting the invasion force and help it to blast its way inland, by attacking ground targets like bunkers and artillery positions. And that it can do.
They would probably be better off putting the Royal Navy at the bottom of the ocean.
Not enough ordinance to try, nor does the Luftwaffe have the experience to do so.
Or just patrol around Britain and tell the U-boats where the ships are.
@@Mandelbrot_Set You don't think they tried this? Getting that close outs them in danger of the ASW net and sea mines. The Kriegsmarine U Boat fleet isn't going to sink enough tonnage to drive Britain to surrender, even with the modern Luftwaffe.
@@zacharylaprete1940 No, the German U-boats never had proper aircraft coverage.
Come on. You tell the U-boats where the British ships are and they will sink them. You are assuming that the British ships are too close to the British coast for no reason.
I appreciate the detail, but the victory conditions are wrong. The Battle of Britain was about gaining air supremacy for long enough to launch Sealion and protect the Invasion fleet from the RN. A modern luftwaffe could easily do this.
Germany had nearly nonexistent amphibious capabilities, so trying to land on the British isles will result in a slaughter.
Most of the WW2 tactics were bluff and misdirection. Dolittle raid, two nuclear strikes, operation fortitude just to name a few.
It would be easy for Germany to call UK and tell them "at 10:00 PM tonight during the current 100% cloud cover a missile will strike building X at RAF base Y entering through the third window from the northern end. Please ensure no one in there as this is a demonstration and we prefer not to kill bystanders". Then they do it using all the nice modern tech and call back the next day stating "you can see what we can do and you cannot stop us. Would you like to enter into negotiations now or would you prefer we put a missile through the windows of the locations of every one of your political and military leaders and their families tonight".
UK would immediately cease hostilities and probably join Germany against Russia (like they did later in the EU)
Yes, people at the time weren't morrons just because it was a little time ago. There are like hundreds of things like you describe they could do to get a kind of swift surrender.
Kinda ironic that both the Eurofighter and Tornado were made between Britain and Germany. If we lost the Battle of Britain they'd not exist.
Don't agree with this video TBH. What the modern Luftwaffe would have given Germany would be an overwhelming, short term advantage.
With that in mind I'd have thought the best way to use that advantage would have been to strike hard and fast to.....
(A) Target and destroy the Royal Navy ASAP
then
(B) Provide complete air cover for an invasion fleet
Can't see how the Royal Navy\RAF would have been able to stop it.
Then with enough German boots and armour on the ground backed by an unbeatable Luftwaffe (for a year or so) the Germans would have overwhelmed the UK's army pretty quickly.
Game over.
Germany had no means of putting troops on the British isles, either by sea or air. Aside from the fact that British forces not only outgunned and outnumbered and potential invasion force, the Luftwaffe would run out of ordinance long before every bunker, plane, and ship has been destroyed, and that isn't touching airfields and factories.
The entire British 2nd Expedition Corps survived Dunkirk with most of their heavy equipment, the British coast was fortified to hell and back, there were nearly 1000 artillery pieces for the army, hundreds of tanks, 16 infantry divisions, and factories producing more weapons each day. German troops would be slaughtered if they tried.
The modern luftwaffe would massacre the royal navy and leave the island open for operation sea lion.
Additionally just a few tech savvy personnel from the luftwaffe could, given a team of scientists and engineers, catapult weapons production to 60's era tech within a relatively short timespan, while they could never hope to recreate modern high tech weaponry I feel like making 60's era aim-9 clones and INS guided bombs wouldn't be out of the question within a 5 year period. Just imagine how much mileage german engineers and scientists would get out of borrowing a 2020 laptop to do calculations on.
And then we have all the meta knowledge the modern personnel would possess, knowing and correcting that the enigma code was broken, chasing british warships out of the mediterranean, able to pressure franco into the axis, no lend lease for stalin with brittain, iceland, norway and denmark under control, informing the japanese where oil in manchuria is so they dont need to declare war on the US. Entire works of fiction is based on this stuff
Just a polite reminder than the specific scenario is 'Could the modern day luftwaffe have won the Battle of Britain'.
Enjoyed your points on the metadata, though.
Never heard of manchuria, please tell me more.
I believe the meta thing would be much more valuable than the planes.
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The japanese was actually drilling for oil in the area, it just happened to be very deep below the ground so they didn't find it at the time
There is an error in this analysis. The point of the Battle of Britain was to establish air superiority so that Operation Sea Lion could proceed. They just need a couple of weeks of fighter sorties to suppress the RAF. The British fleet would be toast, and at this point, the Home Army was in dismal condition and had little chance against the Wehrmacht if Sea Lion had gone off soon. With Britain conquered, there would be no reason to declare war on the USA, and no Britain and no USA or their Lend-Lease equipment to the USSR means the Russians would probably have failed. Win: NSDAP.
The entire British 2nd Expedition Corps survived Dunkirk with most of their heavy equipment, the British coast was fortified to hell and back, there were nearly 1000 artillery pieces for the army, hundreds of tanks, 16 infantry divisions, and factories producing more weapons each day. German troops would be slaughtered if they tried.
@@zacharylaprete1940 The Home Army didn't even have enough Lee-Enfields. The Brits hsd very little armor left and ghe Germans had just scooped up everything left in France and Belgium. And a 1000 pieces of artillery across all of England? I'm sure that the Wehrmacht would have trembled. Without air superiority the navy would've been doomed. Without the navy, they couldn't keep out the Wehrmacht and once the German army started pouring in and civilian damage and casualties began, the Parliament would have collapsed out of lack of will, especially seeing as Hitler was offering pretty favorable terms. Hell, Parliament would have been likely to fold as soon as the fleet was neutralized.
@@frankmueller2781 I repeat the question, how is Germany landing troops on the British isles? Their amphibious capabilities are nonexistent and any potential invasion force will be outnumbered in terms of manpower, tanks, artillery, and defensive fortifications. 500,000 M1917 rifles, 25,000 BAR's, close to 2,000 artillery pieces, hundreds of tanks, which were being augmented by those produced in factories, and the fact that southern England was fortified to hell and back, meant Germany wasn't doing shit.
@@zacharylaprete1940 again, thats where the modern Luftwaffe comes in. The tactical aircraft suppress the Brits so that landed troops can capture a port and airfield assisted by the Fallschirmjäger, and then land more troops by sea and air.
Moreover, why don't you justify why the Brits, whose Parliament was on the cusp of surrender at this point in the real war, when city bombing had yet hardened public resolve, how do you argue that they still fight at all. With the loss of tactical air superiority, the loss of a good portion of the fleet, and impact of 21st century airpower on moral, how do you explain their remaining in the war? How do they keep the *Britsh* National Socialists from coming to power?
And once Britain surrenders, how many Brits will sign up to help fight the Soviets?
@@frankmueller2781 The myth regarding how the Brits were close to surrender, as well as half of what most people think of WW2, is false. They weren't as close as most people like to think, not to mention half the propaganda surrounding Churchill being a military genius. The Brits held our under far worse bombings that flattened civilian targets across southern England and never broke. Sure, modern ordinance is far more accurate, but is nowhere near enough to do as much damage as the blitz did originally.
Nothing stops British AA from chewing apart transport aircraft or paratroopers. Nothing stops the British from wrecking any port they might lose, just like Antwerp by the Germans in WW2. Ignoring the fact that on top of the entire modern German submarine force is in port because of lack of maintenance, the same goes for their heavy transport fleet, and the majority of the tanks.
You might ask why this is relevant, it's because Germany is the laughing stock of NATO. Assuming all of those 31 of those A400 transports can fly, you can move little over 3,500 men. Add in the 29 C-160's, you've got an additional 2,500 men. Maybe reconfigure the VIP aircraft and tankers, to add another few hundred men. Throw that against over 1 million troops, plus armor, and you get a slaughter.
Airdrop a tank in you say? We do that with Humvees in the Marines and army, and you still get chutes that can't hold the weight and collapse. Sending light infantry via air would be a death sentence and the German army would refuse. They weren't serious about Sealion to begin with, and they sure as hell won't when faced with those odds.
That's like asking if the USS Iowa, ISS Yamato, bismarck and ISS Zao all tried to fight some caravels. The new Planes are faster, stronger, more armored, and have bloody missiles.
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@@javanmills6152 correct.
Should it not be IJN?
They still have limitations the things are not running godmode for heaven sakes. He does actually make some great points which show exactly why this would not be the one sided battle you imply needing to be under cloud cover to use their guided bombs, in particular, is a massive one as that would result in them needing to expose themselves to ground batteries on most days in the UK. It is also worth pointing out that were such a scenario to happen the number of ground batteries is likely to explode rapidly think about it logically if your planes are not effective at defending against the enemy aircraft but the ground batteries are scoring kills how would you answer this question "What should we produce at the factories that were building the obsolete aircraft?". If your answer is build big ass AA batteries congratulations you are probably right.
So so we are going to ignore the French, Italian, and British ships?
2 things:
1. The euro fighter is capable of supercruise, making it virtually impossible to hit, and the tornado is the fastest aircraft on the deck (sea level), able to fly at 900 MPH, with afterburners.
2. Both of them have much smaller radar cross sections compared to WWII era fighters, so they likely couldn’t be detected by primitive radar systems
what is wrong with this simulation? whole reason why Battle of Britain happened was to neutralize British before invasion... with modern airforce, they could easily destroy any british ship that would attempt to stop the invasion....
That is what I was thinking too. Keeping the British Navy away would have been priority while the invasion was going on. They wouldn't need to blow up factories that the Reich would want to capture intact anyway. Just keep the UK air assets down on the ground and the navy away for the invasion to go on unimpeded.
Yeah, if I was in charge of the modern Luftwaffe I'd be telling both Adolf and Herman to pound sand and fight the battle as it needed to be fought, sinking the Royal Navy is a WAY better use of your limited ordinance. It has SEVERAL advantages. First is the material improvement of the overall military situation should a naval invasion of the islands be needed, but more importantly it MIGHT just make such an invasion unnecessary. It would be very difficult for Churchill to keep Britain in the war with the Royal Navy destroyed. The Navy was a large part of the reason Britain stayed in the war during the Battle of Britain, cause anyone with any sense knew that the Royal Navy would crush any invasion fleet the Germans sent. Without the security the Royal Navy provided, the more wobbly of Churchill's government become not only much louder, but they start sounding reasonable.
That is the point. First, the Panavías sink all the capital destinations of the RN, and most of the destroyers. KM obtains control of the sea. Next, the Eurofighters air supremacy over the passage of Calais, avoiding any interference on the invasion force. Panavias and other planes provide CAS. The KM has no interruption to transport supplies. Would it be enough to take London?
2000 ships would take some time to destroy and even then Germany didn't have any landing craft especially considering the modern Luftwaffe is tiny
@@Battyj but modern day luftwaffe would have perfect situational awarennes.. they would know about everything on sea, so it wouldnt be a problem to sink whatever gets into invasion area... and British while they had a lot of ships, they definitely didnt have a 1000 batleships...
I think your thought process drifted to the 40's
With guided bombs, and missiles, you said yourself the RAF would be paralyzed,
The army is currently in a horrible spot from Dunkirk, the navy now?
with laser guided bombs, you could sink the whole RN in 1-2 weeks, and thats if all 350ish surface vessels are stationed in the isles. with the navy out of the picture, all most battleships and carriers down, the RAF frozen the Kriegsmarine and the Wehrmacht would have no opposition for landing.
Hell, with the RN gone, Brittan might just surrender
Never Surrender
@@zenylox6239 XD I'm Canadian so i get it too. but when Winston churchhill did his never surrender speech, he even mentioned how the RN would protect the dominions & colonies, hard to do with no RN.
Exactly.
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With no navy, Airforce or army? I agree to your point with WW2 equipment, heck I'm Canadian and I wouldn't ever give up, that being said, you can't fight with no gun. Removing the British navy is taking away that gun. Even Churchill said "even if we were to fall... Our dominions and colonies would care on the fight __guarded by our navy__" can't do that with no navy
This was interesting except you assumed that a new strategic capability would not change the German air battle plan. With longer ranging aircraft and laser guided bombs, the Germans could instead attack convoys or more likely the British fleet in port completely changing the balance of the battle of North Atlantic. A laser guided 2000lb bomb would likely cripple or decimate most Royal Navy ships (whose ports were in range in your graphics) Disable the Home Fleet and not only do you place convoys at higher risks, but you open up the possibility of Operation Sea Lion with the addition of helicopter landings of assault troops to form a sort of 'reverse D-Day' while the British Army is trying to rebuild itself after Dunkirk. Most likely just the threat of invasion without the British Fleet to defend them would bring the British to the negotiation table. Completely agree you have finite resources, but the German Air Force Generals who got transported back in time would also know this and argue for a much smarter air campaign. Something to think about...
As a Brit, I'd like to quell the salt in the comments: Britain would have been destroyed. The end.
@@Lorddonen no
Bold of you to asume modern luftwaffe just wouldn't crash they can't get airborne they would be lucky if ejection seats worked
Modern Luftwaffe barely has any jets we would find some way to sabotage them and win
No discussion of the fact Germany would now have the strike capability to hit basically any convoy heading to Britain and, on top of U-boat operations and the ability to knock out convoys and their escorts with the Luftwaffe, would be quite capable of starving Britain out?
The Modern Luftwaffe would have airborne command and control aircraft, airborne radar aircraft, attack helicopters, anti-sub and ship platform and so much more. The first thing the Luftwaffe should take out would be the Royal Navy, ships, Dockyards, fuel depots, and ammo depots. The RAF wouldn’t be their highest priority the Navy would. Without the Navy the subs could mostly block aid the island. Without constant supplies the people would go hungry, fuel would run out, spare parts, ammo, and other items necessary for war would run low. That’s how to defeat Britain.
One factor you overlooked is the shock and awe that the first week to two weeks would bring to Britain's political class. The British wouldn't know that Germany's ability to maintain and grow the new wonder weapons is very limited. It is entirely possible that the initial shock of the capabilities of the modern Luftwaffe would force Britain to surrender. Keep in mind there were quite a few British politicians who actually wanted to throw in the towel in the original history. Losing hundreds of pilots, pilots who might have lived against a 1940's fighter, even after being shot down, are just dead after taking a sidewinder to the face. It's an interesting scenario however.
Sort of like the film The Final Countdown, were the modern day US navy traveled in time and arrived near Hawaii a day before Pearl Harbor was attacked.
Is this a serious question....?
Whats next? Leopard 2A7 vs Horse Drawn Wagon with a maxim gun?
Binkov would come up with some way where you would lose a few Leopards.
@@A_Degenerate_with_Glasses i mean if its a leopard owned by germany the Horse drawn Wagon Wins by default
You know the 2020 Luftwaffe can bomb defences and shoot down British aircraft to clear a beach head for an amphibious landing by the Heer. Also this video never mentions anti ship missiles that would prevent the Royal Navy from intercepting the landing task force.
Operation Sea Lion is a success!
1940s Germany almost cracked the UK. Now imagine replacing the German Air Force with jets that the British planes can’t even get time to aim at
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The strategic goal of the battle of Britain was getting air superiority to sink the Royal Navy, but since modern planes would already operate in complete immunity, why not bypassing the air superiority part and strike ships first ?
Duke of Lorraine ground troops would still be targeted and the German Air Force might be spread too thin.
Because then the video would be too short.
this is a bit of a crazy comparison. Of course the modern Luftwaffe would win. It has guided air to air missiles, and the planes are way faster.
The whole point of the Battle of Britain was to secure air superiority for operation sealion to go ahead, once Germany realised they weren’t getting air superiority they gave up. Surely with the modern airforce after initial air superiority is secured they prepare invasion and save the smart bombs for Royal Navy targets and coastal defences? So then we would possibly see a German victory in world war 2?
Nope, operation sea lion was off the table as soon as the germans realised the kriegsmarine didnt have the capability to even transport the first wave, the air superiority was an important part but not the only one
I would use the planes to mercilessly hunt down the British merchant fleet (or anything that floats really) rather than attacking the mainland. The little bombing I'd do, would be precision attacks on bridges and canal infrastructure like boat lifts to disrupt transportation and distribution of goods even further. Some bombs would be earmarked for high priority targets like refineries and fuel depots. When and if smart systems run out I'd use the planes as glorified satellites to coordinate U-boat attacks. Hell, a night combat strafing run on a ship would sink it without little chance to retaliate.
The lost tonnage of merchant & warships would be absolute, the British Empire would have to sue for peace.
That's what I was thinking. Assuming the modern Luftwaffe planes have the operational range, they could more easily starve Britain in coordination with U-Boats than trying to bomb the island into submission.
The main objective of the Battle of Britain was to provide the required air superiority during a German landing in Britain. Given their relative invulnerability, could they assist directly in such a landing, without first engaging the RAF at a strategic level?
This, and recon missions for submarines.
Well. Germans didn't fight RAF to measure who's planes or pilots are better. Germans needed to eliminate RAF in order to stood any chance against Royal Navy in eventual invasion.
In this scenario, first thing Germans would do is to eliminate RN and use planes as support in land invasion. RAF alone could not stop uncontested German navy.
An excellent video if the goal is to see how modern planes would have impacted an air war. However, it's important to remember that the Battle of Britain had a specific purpose - to facilitate a ground invasion. Germany needed air superiority so that its airforce can focus on countering the Royal Navy. Otherwise, the British navy would simply intercept reinforcements and supplies.
In this alternate scenario, Germany has instantly secured aerial supremacy and no longer needs an aerial "Battle for Britain". The Germans could quickly sink a large portion of the Royal Navy and then immediately proceed with an invasion. These modern planes would patrol the English channel and quickly destroy any vessels that attempt to intervene.
I think you should have done what if Germany had 1945 Tech in 1940 instead of modern tech vs very old tech
I'm a bit confused that the Royal Navy isn't mentioned until the end. Whats a high value target, with only a relatively small number? Capitol ships! With radar equipped Jets, they could make the British isle a no go zone for any ship, particularly larger ones (battleships & carriers) with absolute impunity. Once these were gone, the Kriegsmarine could likely have dealt with what remained with help from the Luftwaffe, whilst the Lw also focused on destroying RAF fighters. after that, all major concerns for Sea Lion are removed, paving the way for invasion.
If they wanted to play the long game, the Jests could have maybe operated as commerce raiders, sinking any convoy near Britain from long distance, as the jets had the range and missiles enough to probably stop any shipping getting through for at long as they had a good number of sorties per day.
This is like saying how would a ICBM stand up against a spear
Yeah but Germany has a tiny modern military for its size.
The modern Luftwaffe would have complete air and sea superiority (they do have anti-ship missiles). Even if inventories were limited, concentrating their resources on controlling the air and sea of the channel would allow Operation Sealion's landings to happen without interference (other than from mines), as well as softening up coastel defenses. That would be a far more effective use of their resources than trying to suppress RAF bases and radar installations, because neither of those things could play any meaningful role until the Luftwaffe's modern inventory is depleted.
Only air superiority, they wouldn't have enough guided bombs to take out the Royal Navy (People tend to forget that at the start of WW2 the British still had the most powerful navy on the planet whereas Germany was a distant 5th). But then even if they magically managed to neutralise the RN operation Sea Lion would have been just as impossible as it was in reality due to the British costal defences and disregard for human rights (chemical weapons units would have eradicated any landing force).
That was my thought as well. Wouldn't they just sink every relevant warship, control the air over channel, and invade?
@@llynellyn I think, you are wrong here. The Royal Navy was strong but you only need one or maybe two modern laser guided bombs to destroy or at least take out a battleship, a cruiser or an aircraft carrier. So the first strike of the Luftwaffe would have destroyed probably all heavy vessels of the Home Fleet (7 battleships, 2 aircraft carriers, 15 cruisers) and most of them in the rest of the european waters (another 5 battleships, 3 aircraft carriers and 13 cruisers) - with all attacking planes out of range of the air defence and RAF. The remaining destroyers would have been no match for the german navy, especially with eurofighter (air defence and air support) and stinger missles on board to take care of the RAF. In the same attack wave, some ECR-Tornados would have jammed the radar system and 10 IDS Tornados with Taurus cruise missiles (the Luftwaffe has 600 of these) would have taken out the Parliament, 10 Downing Street, the War Room, the Royal family and other leaders/leading capacity (the places are perfectly known because of the former London tourists in the Luftwaffe, that are transfered back in time). Probably at this point the war would be over. From this shock, even the very brave Britains would not recover.Decapitated and the Fleet crippled in perhaps three hours. If they really want to keep on, with the SAR-Lupe (satellite system that makes radar images) every convoy on the Atlantic would be spotted and the U-Boats could be coordinated. Remaining transporters und tankers will be taken out by the planes. Production in Britain would drop without support from overseas and the invasion of Britain could not be stopped. Royal Navy knocked out and the sky kept clear by the eurofighters an the Patriot systems (nearly 900 air defence rockets with range up to 160 km - from Calais to the center of London). The ground forces of the Luftwaffe with assault rifles, night vision and Panzerfaust 3 would be a surprise, too. Especially when they are deployed by helicopters at night. With the SAR-Lupe-satellites the locations of the defending heavy forces would all be known. If this technology could be kept secret it would have been the same game changer as the broken enigma codes. Britain would be defeated in less than three months, before the planes would start to need to much repairing, especially because they don't need to fly too much. The fear after the dramatic losses of the first days would keep the RAF down and the ships in the harbors or far far away. And in the long run the engineers and mechanics in the Luftwaffe with the know-how, computers, data, weapons and machines they would have had with them would improve the german production of airplanes (and all other weapons) to an extend that can not be overestimated. Good luck for us, that did not happen.
@@pelle7766 Not to mention while yes the British Navy was massive, it wasn't surrounding the English home island it was out protecting their holdings. The Home-guard fleet was not that big.
You're missing the purpose of the battle of Britain: It was to gain air superiority to do Seelöwe. You are granting air superiority from the beginning, so you are answering the question right in the beginning: Yes!
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The thing is, the reason the raf needed to be destroyed was so that they could then keep the channel free of the Royal Navy. That shouldn’t be a problem with a few morden fighter bombers.
Exactly, once they realized what they had they would sea lion immediately not wait a year to run out of parts and munitions.
Trygve Skogsholm the more I think about it, the more I believe it needs to start with a strike against every Royal Navy vessel within range. That will reduce the amount of convoy escorts available and allow the u boats to do a better job at reducing supplies. Then start sea lion immediately. The Brits won’t know that Germany is not going to be able to keep it up with that level of tech. They would surrender.
Why would they even fight the battle of Britain as purely an air battle, when Nazi Germany could simply find the British fleet and sink it. That would force the British out of the war, much more assuredly than the protracted air battle of our timeline could possibly have done. After all the goal of the battle of Britain was not to produce awesome air duels but to make Britain give up and sue for peace.
@@dsan8742 that is true for the real world.
But for the scenario used in this video, the 2020 Luftwaffe could sink the RN and then either Sea Lion has a actually chance or the Kiregsmarine cuts off english Supplies.
@@stanwebb4572 Not against Jets of 2020.
Radar makes it hard to hide.
Also given how fast and what range they have they could plausible intercept relative fast to assit U-boats attacking english ships.
And even if the 2020 Luftwaffe "only" sinks the Homefleet, that would be enough to alter history immens in favor of 3rd Reich.
IF the RN has to reall all of its fleets over the world, then well... it is screwed there.
Ah yes, we don't need just the airforce to do it, get our tiny amount of ships that either need repairing or are out of date to fight the strongest navy in the world! I'm such a smart strategist
That is the point I was going to make.
No point to waste modern planes on air superiority and modern bombs on strategic bombing.
Once they realize what they have, they simply start Sea Lion.
Now the RN must sortie to defend the island, and when they do, it is simple for modern bombers to sink a missile-less WW2 battleship, cruiser and carrier.
No need even to look for them, they will come out to fight the invasion. Modern Luftwaffe can easily destroy the ships and keep away any bomber and fighter attacking the invasion fleet and the beachheads.
Grated, modern Luftwaffe cannot last for a long strategic bombing campaign, but can easily sweep away the RN and guarantee total air supremacy, including precision bombing against artillery and the few tanks the British could send to fight the invasion.
Once the beaches are taken, it is Battle of France again: panzers against few inferior tanks and infantry.
So a modern Luftwaffe would allow Sea Lion AT ONCE, no need for a strategic campaign, and the Heer will simply take those factories.
Very different is a Barbarossa, even with what's left after the invasion. Without WWII numbers, they would not have any air power, so my guess is that either Hitler again makes the mistake of attacking, or Stalin sooner or later realizes the very small numbers of modern Luftwaffe and attacks like in 1943 or later, when the Red Army has huge numerical superiority, including air power.
So the history could end with Britain conquered but Red Army taking Europe...
The Battle of Britain was meant to gain the Luftwaffe air superiority in preparation for Operation Sea Lion, not bring them to peace talks.
I see this titel and just thing
Spitfire vs Eurofighter must by a war thunder Match
Absolutely right
Fun alt. history. The real key is that the Battle of Britain was for air superiority so the Germans could invade. The modern air force would have total air superiority and could focus on preventing the British Navy from interfering in landings.
Now do a scenario of a modern Battle of Britain.
The entire British 2nd Expedition Corps survived Dunkirk with most of their heavy equipment, the British coast was fortified to hell and back, there were nearly 1000 artillery pieces for the army, hundreds of tanks, 16 infantry divisions, and factories producing more weapons each day. German troops would be slaughtered if they tried. This is also ignoring the nonexistent German amphibious capabilities.
@@ragnarulrichson778 Again, absolutely wrong, and I'm tried of seeing this. First off, the British fleet in the Mediterranean, Atlantic, and Pacific could easily be called in, same with the Canadian navy, to reinforce the islands. Secondly, the Germans wouldn't have enough munitions to knock out the airfields or take the RAF out of the equation at all. Hell, they wouldn't even have enough ordinance to knock out the British navy for fuck sake, the RN was extremely large during world War 2. Secondly, the Germans, and I will repeat myself for the millionth time, had no seafaring capabilities worth a damn to move troops.
Using barges and rowboat across the channel, with the most generous capacity being 100,000 men at most, against easily 3-5 times the defenders, mined coastlines and beaches, pillboxes all along the coast, and the British Home Army right there, would have been a slaughter of unseen proportion. Also, this discounts the submarine fleet that literally would be untouched in this scenario, and would play merry hell with any attempted landing force the Germans scrap together. There's a common misconception that the British Home Island had nothing to defend itself with and that's patently false, and a historical misconception, like so many others that get peddled.
The RAF and RN played a vital role in the defense of England, but at the end of the day, Operation Sealion wasn't logistically feasible in the slightest, and practical in any sense of the word. In this scenario or historically, the Nazis never had a hope in hell of winning.
@@ragnarulrichson778 Again, you are entirely wrong, and keep pushing Nazi propaganda that never had any basis in fact. Losing 5 or 6 battleships wouldn't throw the Hone Fleet away from the British isles, nor would it render them combat ineffective. The Germans never had the means, equipment, or capacity to invade the British isles even with a token force that would have been massacred on the beaches by a force that outnumbered and outgunned them by a factor of more than 3-1. What the Germans had was bunk. They had no real amphibious landing craft and their surface fleet was a joke. British submarines in the channel alone would've have stopped any attempted landing before it reached the shores of Dover, let alone what else was waiting the Germans.
Lastly, you seem to not comprehend just how much the British had on the ground, sea, and air in Britain proper. Over a thousand makes and models of tanks and artillery alone, just as many anti aircraft guns situated all across the country, factors scattered about, many of which got repaired after bombings historically. Once they run out of bombs and missiles, guns aren't doing anything, for the simple reason of they'd get gutted by anti aircraft fire for trying. This literally happened with Jordanian pilots in the middle east who tried that shit. You do not fly low and slow to use guns against ground targets. A-10's are far more armored than any fighter, and even those are worthless against half decent AA. The modern Luftwaffe has no ability to win the war for Germany, nor open the gates for a fantastical invasion of the British Isles, which never would have had a hope in hell of being attempted, let alone succeeding. The British bombers going against Britain got chewed up historically, didn't stop them from going back up over and over again. Germany would be out of munitions before Britain is out of airframes and pilots.
So again, Germanany still loses the battle of Britain, and Operation Sealion is still impossible.
@@ragnarulrichson778 Again, where is the German Air Force getting the munitions to accomplish these tasks? There were hundreds of ships in the home fleet, and this discounts the submarine fleet, and RAF in the skies around England. Germany has very few active combat craft, far fewer muntions, and has caved a shortage of pilots for years now. NATO training or not, they do not have the assets or material needed to successfully run a campaign of destruction against the British Isles and the entirely of the British military which was present, which as I stated before, had over a dozen infantry divisions, hundreds of tanks, thousands of artillery pieces, has its entire coastline mined up and down the channel, with fortifications mind you, something the Germans also have to spend munitions on, unless they want to leave whatever ramshackle amphibious force they can manage to run headlong into a slaughter.
The Germans simply do not have anywhere near the adequate number of materials, equipment, or manpower to make use of their technological advantages in this fight, especially not against a force as numerous as the Home Army and everything it had with it in 1940 and 1941, to say nothing of the later years. The Nazis boasted that they could take England in a week, but lacked in every necessary material to even come close to accomplishing such a goal. Modern Luftwaffe or not, it doesn’t allows for the Nazis to manage an invasion of British soil that doesn't end in a slaughter. Even professional and experienced British soldiers alone outnumbered any potential invasion force, and that's before more arrived after Dunkirk. Which, even after Dunkirk, the Home Islands still had plenty of gear, and were making more every day. There are too many targets and too few assets for the Luftwaffe to manage a victory in this scenario. It's just flat out impossible. And as for using Yom Kippur as an example, the Israelis are world class and war hardened, the German military is the laughing stock of NATO, as has been evident for a long time. Germany doesn't have the capabilities to run successfully SEAD and Wild Weasel operations over Britain here.
@@ragnarulrichson778 To gain the advantage over and around British shores, the Luftwaffe would need to utterly annihilate the entirety of the British Air Force and Navy, something they have neither the airframes or munitions to carry out. They have no means to sink the submarines in and around the English channel, nor rid it of all the mines both in the water and on the beaches. They have not enough munitions to wipe out thr coastal fortifications built in anticipation for an invasion of the British Isles. They have not the means to cripple the British army on the ground, or stop the RAF from sending aircraft up to distract and keep the Luftwaffe away from ground based units. Even the elimination of the Chain Home Radar Network wouldn't be enough to cripple what the British have, nor pave the way for an invasion force against Britain proper, something the Kriegsmarine wouldn't be capable of. The coastal batteries alone would play merry hell with their cruisers, to say nothing of the submarines who'd jizz themselves at the sight of such fat targets, or minelayers running around the channel dropping their loads. Scapa Flow alone had 100 large ships, and their assorted logistical attachments. 22 submarines by themselves, plus 5 minelaying ships, and the other 300 assorted ships in other RN commands. Even knocking out every major surface vessel, something easier said than done unless every hit is to the superstructure or an ammo magazine, the waters are still full of submarines and mines that would stop any German aquatic advance dead in in tracks, assuming it's piss poor logistics didn't already do such. Like I said, barges welded together to support tanks, trucks, and at most 100k men, would have been massacred before, or shortly after reaching the shores of Britain. Such a force, even if unmolested, would be woefully insufficient to face everything waiting for it deeper in Britain itself, and time wouldn't favor Germany one bit, as they wouldn't be capable of supplying themselves. Germany didn't understand logistics or cost effective vehicles in WW2, and those gas guzzling, mechanically unsound Panzers they used proved as such. Modern Luftwaffe or not, they do not have the capability required to cripple Britain and allow Operation Unmentionable Sea Mammal to become more than Hitler's fever dream.
Really the modern air force would try take out the English navy so an invasion could begin.
Not possible. Not enough ordinance is available, the Luftwaffe has no experience doing that, and the German navy was pathetic in regards to amphibious capabilities. Any attempt at landing troops in Britain results in a massacre on the beaches.
@@zacharylaprete1940 also possible they may have a nuke or 2 of the usa on a base that may go back in time with them.
@@troybalster3687 Those nukes won't work without proper launch authorization and technically aren't part of the German arsenal. We've fitted them to be mounted to German planes, but the fail safe built in means it'll be an expensive paperweight with American authorization. Not to mention the German nuclear program was a joke.
Also it’s not like Germany wouldn’t try to research and reverse engineer the various technologies developed over the last 79 years to give themselves advantages unforeseen by the allies
If I used an Abrams tank in the battle of Gettysburg, could I have saved Pickett's charge?
Yes, due to the psychological effect (which unfortunately has been ommited in this video here)
No ... the generals of these days wouldnt accept any modern nonsense ....
Yes unless some group madmans try to actually climb and enter the thing. Then maybe no
Two primary targets of the modern Luftwaffe would be the Royal Navy and British command structure. Sink the navy and the Kreigsmarine can strangle Britain of resources. No invasion needed. Precision strikes using penetration bombs against British bunkers from high altitude gives a high chance of taking out Churchill and his cabinet. These bunker locations are all known in modern times. They could even wait for Churchill to be giving a speech in Parliament and hit the site with cruise missiles. Whoever replaces him from his contemporaries would inevitably be more likely to call for a negotiated peace, especially once the Royal Navy is on the bottom of The Channel. Without resources or strong leadership or the ability to get their own forces off the Isles to strike back at Germany, it negates the need for all the strike packages trying to whack-a-mole British airbases, radar sites or factories. Not addressing controlling sea access to Britain alone beyond a single off-hand comment about the Germans maybe doing something after they fail to destroy the RAF makes this counterfactual pointless. You're treating the UK like it's landlocked and only allowing the Germans to follow the original battle strategy. What's the point of this?
That's the point. "Winning the Battle of Britain" was to scare them enough to sing peace; invading was not in the plan. The modern LW could do that by sinking the RN.
Dont think theyd have enough asm missle to do that in al fairness
Next video idea:
Modern Japan Self Defense Forces vs. 1930s Soviet Army at Khalkin Ghol.
MadMarvs HighwayWarrior my grandpa fought of the Mongols in the battle of Khalkhin gol.
You know what the Eurofighters would be used for? Sinking every ship trying to bring all the needed ressources to britains Shore, so no rebuilding at all and no d day
if this happened... War thunder balance will be even more so lopsided.
SnowyCaa NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOT THAT
Germany would not have to destroy all UK forces or industry from the air. They could enable a successful operation sealion just by maintaining air dominance. RAF would be grounded for the most part and the Royal Navy would be forced to withdraw from the English Channel and North Sea. This allows the German Navy to operate in the channel and assist an invasion. Landing craft would not be required, vessels of any type could carry troops and equipment directly to UK ports. Precision strikes could degrade any resistance at ports in advance and then spot for naval gunfire, correcting shore bombardment and providing damage assessments. This forward observing could be done by the trainer aircraft, no need to draw fighter and strike aircraft away from patrols. Submarines and sea mines could provide some resistance but with German forces otherwise unchallenged they could deal with those issues using destroyers and mine sweepers. Most importantly, by conserving modern resources logistical support could be maintained across the channel for a long time. Thus invading ground forces could have good supply and make continuous progress. England would fall within a few months and with that secured, the rest of the UK would not have much hope. Most likely the surviving UK Navy and long range aircraft would evacuate to North America.
In the long run, Germany would of course run out of modern weapons and repair parts. But they would also have access to a vast amount of technology that they could reverse engineer. While copies would obviously be much inferior because of production limitations at the time, they would still enable great leaps ahead in many areas. Within two years Germany could be roughly a decade or more ahead in technology and producing post war equivalent aircraft and weapons. This accelerated pace of technological development would continue as modern systems could be researched in depth and maintain a technological gap over the allies. German controlled industry in Europe could proceed unhindered with no bombing campaigns and limited naval convoy interceptions to stop them. Germany still would not have the manpower to control the world but could force a peace agreement to their advantage. They could thus potentially win the war if they were willing to be satisfied with considerable expansion and wait another generation or two before attempting another war to expand further. German leadership might not make such rational decisions, but it is plausible that they could.
Remember the Luftwaffe has UH-1s and CH-53s and could land troops around Dover quickly, not to mention LAPESing or air dropping PzKmfW IIIs & IVs from C-130s for the troops air assaulted into the area to use.
How would a modern RAF handle the Battle of Britain? They would easily have air superiority over Britain, they could easily go on the offense against the Nazis.
i bet he will also do that later, good idea this deserves more likes than none
Day 1: Sink the Royal Navy.
Day 2: Smash a port to pieces
Day 3: Repeat with another port
Day 4: Repeat with another port
Very quickly the UK has no deepwater port facilities left and resupply from elsewhere becomes extremely difficult. The UK imported 70% of its food, not to mention oil, and lend-lease items from USA. Also the Battle of the Atlantic will go much better for the U-Boats with no Royal Navy around. And without oil, the RAF won't do much. Virtually all of their oil came from overseas.
(enter British empire from stage right)
With its reconnaissance capabilities, a modern air force would have been able to completely cut off oil supplies or tanker shipping within a few weeks.
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Binkov in the near future :
how would an Italian spaghetti fight off a Russian satellite
Some Japanese Mangaka is probably drawing an Isekai based on this premise already.
this one seems pretty weak. I mean, the original Luftwaffe came pretty close to winning the battle of Britain, so certainly a modern one could do so.
What do you mean by "came pretty close"?? Luftwaffe pilots saw more british fighters up and fighting them in one raid than what their commanders said there were in the entire island.
HungLee that doesn’t say anything about winning. The brits were not far from losing not close but not far
The primitive radars could easily be jammed - no need to destroy them!
WW2 radars and practically all communication over the whole south England could be jammed extremely easily by just a few specialized electronic warfare aircrafts which Germany has... As much as I like Binkov this WW2 vs modern videos are totally wrong in nearly every way, grossly underestimating modern technology advances, especially EW, guided munitions and morale impact.
Running out of ideas I take it.
Isn't there some value in going super sonic over a city? Could you imagine the devastation of a plane breaking the sound barrier over a city?
I don't have to imagine. I was nine during 1999 NATO campaign over Yugoslavia. I never before nor after experienced that level of fear.
Since the Germans almost won the Battle of Britan anyway, this should be a no brainer. England would fall in 30 days or less. Concentrate on the English radar installations first and then take out the airfields followed by shipping. Don't make the mistake of switching to civilian targets and England would beg for a treaty.
Do you mean only England or Britain
@@reubenbanks6762 Policies of Uk are framed in England only .
English have rivalry with the Germans than Scots or welsh . Germans wanted to conquer London.
So at this point an english reference is enough
@@reubenbanks6762 clueless
Germany wasn't even close to winning the battle of Britain IRL lol, it was just played up by British propaganda to get people to join the military
“Almost” isn’t winning is it . They just didn’t have it in them.
Its the equivalent of having a Jet fighter tech unlocked and produced at the 1936 start
And fully researched air doctorine
A modern Luftwaffe can easily secure the strait, with air superiority in hand-remember what the allies did in the western front and pacific theater?-the Germans can overwhelm the British on either land or sea, once German army blitzed through the British isles one can say the European war is pretty much concluded.
Could our ancient ancestors crawling out of the primordial soup millions of years ago beat the combined military might of every NATO nation in the year 2020!?!??!?!?!?!
Nah
But that’s a good suggestion tho I like it
Binkov: close but not really.
Germany can just focus attack on the royal navy and with that destroyed germany could attempt to land in britain, with total air superiority i say it's an easy victory for them
They will still, never surrender.
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Rotherham is proof they've surrendered without firing a shot.
@@bojonaga7223 1940-41 british army had nothing to do against the Wehrmacht
No need for a Battle of Britain. Germans can launch Operation Sealion immediately even with tug boats towing flatbottom barges. The modern Luftwaffe would have an easy time intercepting and destroying anything that tried to oppose the landings. Once beach head is established, the weaponry launched from those jets would assist the Wehrmacht in blasting a path to London and conquering the rest of Britain.
Probably best idea. But I think, Göring was not no smart guy and also would be not so smart to use this kind of weapon on this way...
Binkov I love your vids man but you seem to forget that modern aircraft have CCIP or constantly computed impact point witch will show a pilot where his dumb bombs will land meaning even using modern dumb bombs the modern Luftwaffe will still be reasonably accurate
F-16A from 1979 using CCIP coupled with it's low powered computer offered CEP accuracy of about 10-20 meters with dumb bombs - practically pinpoint accuracy. Modern day it's even more accurate.
Can a human survive in outer space without any protective gear?
Whats the point of this video
Human could of been like me 262 jet fighters vs them but why modern jets
Human money
Obviously we know the results he just tell us the how part
Can modern usa navy defeat Nelson's fleets? haha
It would have been more interesting to determine if the 2020 Luftwaffe had made the Sealion operation possible, canceling the RN and obtaining air supremacy over the RAF, even without totally destroying it or doing profound damage to the English infrastructure. Like anyway.
Yes, the technological gap is too large for the RAF to handle. The only wildcard is the munitions stock of the Luftwaffe.
Literally no nation at the time could counter modern day tech, no Britain, non the Russians and not the US
I think instead of attacking the same targets the 1940's Luftwaffe attacked, the modern Luftwaffe would be better employed in destroying the Royal Navy. I'm sure the limited munitions available, would have been more than enough to completely neutralise the RN as a force and that would open the way for operation Seelowe (Sealion). Remember, the reason the Germans wanted to destroy the RAF first, was to be able to prevent the RN from interfering with the invasion. by sinking a few hundred major naval assets and then providing, complete air superiority over the invasion routes and beaches. it is capable to producing the conditions critical for a successful invasion.
Precisely! The whole point of the Battle for Britain was to secure air supremacy. In this scenario, the Germans START with aerial supremacy. Therefore an aerial war of attrition would most certainly not take place.
Aside from the fact that Germany had no amphibious capabilities worthy of note, they would be severely outnumbered and outgunned if they ever reached the shores of Britain.
The entire British 2nd Expedition Corps survived Dunkirk with most of their heavy equipment, the British coast was fortified to hell and back, there were nearly 1000 artillery pieces for the army, hundreds of tanks, 16 infantry divisions, and factories producing more weapons each day. German troops would be slaughtered if they tried.
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Lmao
Missiles that track using radar won’t work,
WW2 planes never had ‘em
Oh.
gee I wonder, modern day fighter jets vs piston aircraft.
That's a hard one.
Luftwaffe securing the English Channel, using guided/smart bombs on the Home Fleet, dropping paratroopers into England, then easily ferry over with an invasion force. Wehrmacht could easily win a 1940 ground war on English soil.
O N destroying the Home Fleet is easier said than done
The limeys would drive them back into the sea. It'd be a fight, but in the end, the krauts would have to scramble to get back across the channel.
Would it not be a better idea for the German airforce (in this absurd scenario) to focus on the royal navy and oil refineries? If you can sink a battleship it is a bigger prize than bombing some factory that can be rebuilt. It would allow the kriegsmarine to be more offensive and would be much more effective in blocking ships from supplying Britain.
They could also reverse engineer some technologies.
Exactly. Why would they waste these planes on useless targets when they could just own the sea and coast, where they could launch operation sea lion in a matter of weeks, ending that whole front entirely. Also, just because they have the new planes, why would they stop making the older models they can mass produce and maintain to help the modern planes in taking Britain or help with the eastern front?