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Those people that lied in court should now be made to pay for all the court costs and be sent to prison indefinitely
And those who received Honours awards should have them ceremoniously removed. Adds insult to injury.🤬🤬🤬
Quite right too! They have committed perjury by presenting false evidence, that is a serious criminal offence. I'm starting to wonder if money was stolen by the top brass at the Post Office and that there has been one massive big cover up, rather than just computer error, they were hell bent on defending Horizon. Why have there been no prosecutions of the Post Office and its management?????
Bastards the lot. Makes my blood boul😢
Paula vennells should give up her CBE now
Paula VERMIN - CEO.
I was in tears watching every single episode. The most outrageous thing is that this is NOT a work of fiction, but literally documented fact. And, another fact, that our imbecilic government is dragging their feet in rectifying the fallout, makes it 1000% worse!
This is a walk in the park compared to the covid and the 'safe and effective' lies around the jabs. The greatest crimes in history. Covered up by the UK parliament. Hero Andrew Bridgen is the only politician speaking out.
I’m not a fan of commercial broadcasting. But, this is superb and had me in tears. How was she awarded by the government? How?
By the usual means.....
Watch "yes minister" and "yes prime minister." That will explain how these things work.
I hope certain high ranking executives and officials at the Post Office who knew what was going internally over the last 20 years are now losing sleep and looking over their shoulders waiting for that knock on the door if as it should, criminal proceedings should be instigated for perverting the course of justice. How they were able to act as judge and jury in this day and age and carry out their own investigations is disgraceful and scandalous. But what is even more shameful is that compensation is still to be paid out to those former employees and won’t ever be paid to those employees who have now passed. Lives and families wrecked because of the lies, dishonesty and a refusal to accept that the fault lay firmly with the very firm who installed the accounting software. Watched an interview this morning with the real Mr Bates. Such a man of integrity and strength to stand up to this mighty organisation and wouldn’t back down. And a man of morals and principals not to accept an OBE putting the feelings of the other group members before his own.
With so many P.O. officials all allegedly saying "No one else has had this problem" it sounds like a serious case of "Conspiracy" a very serious offence which can provide for long terms of imprisonment.
@@alf8579 Well, let’s hope so. It looks like the P.O.s chickens should come home to roost now and any number of those who were involved should finally be held to account. Anyone thinking about becoming a Sub Postmaster may well think twice.
Also watch the interveiw with mr bates what a guy fighting the big wigs at the post office get into them now its your time to show how the bastards treated these decent workers like shit.great programme on itv very moving .
And Paula walked away with £400000 it stinks stinks stinks
@@christophersellars6336 Hope she’s prosecuted, convicted and jailed and all her assets: property(s),savings and anything else of value seized and the proceeds put towards the compensation funds. Then she might just get half an idea of what her wrongly accused former employees went through as a result of the lies spewed by the organisation she was the head of.
Boils my blood this whole case, just got half way through episode 2 and had to stop, crying my eyes out and I’m a 6ft 2 17 and a half stone man lol
just binge-watched 2 episodes. Bastards.
you are not alone mate. I am already annoyed on episode 1
I fought tears when can't remember the character's name made the forensic accountant cry ooh boy 😢
The lawyers for the Post Office who apppear to have knowingly provided false information to the courts need to be held accountable too.
"One man who stopped lying could bring down a tyranny."
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
There are calls for Alan Bates to receive some sort of honour (OBE/CBE, knighthood etc). I bloody hope he gets one for bringing this to light and helping to fight for justice for all the postmasters who were affected by this horrible scandal.
Should be a knighthood!
Thankfully, Paula Anne Vennells lost hers. Now, it'd feel right.
This seems to be a never ending theme in this country, with people in power.
When are the little people going to pull together and make it stop!!!
The most hypocritical country there is from its leadership anyhow. We claim to be the beacon of freedom and democracy and noted for our legal system and criticise other countries for falling short in these areas yet fail miserably on so many counts ourselves.
it wasn't always like this. The UK was very bleak after the war, but then we were blessed with the Welfare State, and then we had the 60s, when Britain led the world in so many areas. Once the 70s came around there was a marked negative change in society. That's when I left to come to Canada. There's no way I could live in the UK now.
The sheep continue to walk to their slaughter
What a brilliantly acted portrayal of what happened to all those decent hard working and more importantly honest people.
I cried through most of it knowing that this could happen to eany one of us in eany job. But what those real life post masters had to go through to prove there innocence and how long it took just astounded me.❤❤ to them all.
To those at the head of the post office hew lied to protect ther high paid jobs and possably profited from there misery I can only hope that shame follows you every day until justice catches up with you all.
Yeh but back in 2003 99% of the public believed they were all fraudsters 😂😂😂😂
Technically anything could happen to any of us. Doesn't mean that it's probable?
Dear people at ITV ….. It sure would be awesome if you could post the full episodes of Mr Bates vs The Post Office here on RUclips for those unable to view the series from their location. I live in western Canada. I am unable to find access to it from here. I worked for Canada Post for 35 years until retirement. I was stunned to hear it had been going on for two decades already. How absurd!! This story really has me intrigued. I would love to see the document-drama whether it comes with a fee or not. I am sure many others around the world would agree. What do you say???
*** update : As of April 7, 2024 it is available on Apple TV for $9.99 a season in Canada.
I agree 👍. I'm in Australia & I want to see it 🇦🇺 We stand in support of our UK friends 💛
I agree. Brit expat in the US here. I would love to see it.
Does ITVX work?
I tried both. Still didn’t work.
@@barbcarolegrafton6981 what vpn did you try. Nord vpn is the best
Beginning on April 7th, 2024 Mr Bates vs The post Office has become available in Canada on Apple TV for $9.99 a season. I have watched the first episode and I’m anticipating the rest of the season with great enthusiasm! Thank you for making it happen. 👌🏻 Greatly appreciated. 🇨🇦
The more I watch the angrier I get,.
Disappointed that a great national institution that I WAS proud of treated people like this.
Brave legends, all of them. What they were put through was absolutely shameful
A great series, and thanks to the team that wrote and produced it. Fantastic cast from top to bottom. Victory to the Post Office 500!
Paula VERMIN, CEO Post Office.
How this miscarriage of justice is still going on just proves that those guilty can drag it out and out and not pay the compensation that these innocent individuals/family's deserve for the lies the Post Office spouted for covering up this scandal. The time it's taken to pay compensation is a disgrace and those responsible must pay for his or her lies.
Is this what this country as come to. The post office owes millions to these postmasters, the people who let this continue should be put in prison starting with the top boss.
They seemed to know and let it go on.
No business or individuals should be above the law or have this amount of power.
Justice should be for all not just the rich and powerful but it seems to me it is. People use your Vote this country needs a big change.
I will never buy another product from Fujitsu Siemens again!
@@alf8579 well it's a small world because I spoke to a lady just today and a friend said he told the post office that it was not working correctly in his opinion.
Kevin hopefully all Postmasters are or will soon be aware of this. In the program there was inference that computer errors might have been created when a second till was involved - (or or not on - I can't remember) - perhaps there have been data packet collisions causing a simultaneous transaction from one till to be lost. Thank goodness the P.O. don't fly airplanes!
@@alf8579 my piont is they where informed that the programming was possibly faulty but carried on with no regard for these people. And the best bit is they can not be prosecuted, unbelievable. So my conclusion the rich, and people in high positions, can get away with anything.
@@alf8579 Well, that not problem, their above the law anyway.
This is one of the most powerful pieces of television ever made…. A story that shouldn’t have happened and is a disgraced it ever did!
One of the best depictions of a true story I have ever seen. You know when you have watched a very good drama when you feel every emotion those people went through. I was also feeling the anger towards the injustice and those responsible for it and how British justice( or lack of) was sadly lacking and put on trial for its miscarriages. This definitely deserves an award for great acting and great writing and direction. Superb!!.
This ITV series deserves some special people's choice award for bring about justice for unjustly persecuted citizens.
Absolutely scandalous true story that ruined lives . Post Office be ashamed.
Post Office live in fear for your lives!
@@angelacooper2661 And Fujitsu - they're just as accountable
@@rimini201 Fujitsu subsequently tried to palm off the NHS with a crap computer system. The NHS pulled out of the deal,but the taxpayer ended up stumping up the money the NHS would have paid. Their misdeeds should be made known more widely throughout Europe.
@@rjjcms1 how much?
@@rimini201£700million,apparently.
If I've nicked all this money where is it then. It must be somewhere. It can't have just disappeared. I don't understand how these people were convicted by a jury with so many inconsistencies and lack of evidence. I literally don't understand it. The computer says yes, it must be right, even if all the physical evidence is contrary to what the computer is telling them. Lessons will be learned. After this I very much doubt it. This is scary
The anagram for "The Law" = WEALTH ⚠️
One of the things I was thinking too. Surely they would investigate where the "disappeared" amounts of money had gone. Clearly not through the personal accounts of the Horizon victims.
There is no jury just us post office and a judge 😢
No inquiry no
Proof just a contract saying we was liable for shortfalls which you never thought you would have
The woman in charge in 2019 should be stripped of the CBE awarded her, and as for being a member of the Anglican Church no wonder their following is at an all time low!
Definitely doesn't practice what she preaches.
Incidentally, this scandal was first brought to our attention by the BBC. Panorama made a total of three programmes, in 2015, 2020 & 2022. Inside Out 2012 ish and One Show 2014 also featured the scandal. A great shame, but a good thing, that it's taken a dramatization to bring it to the public's attention.
This scandal first came to my attention in 2009 when Computer Weekly starting publishing articles about it. Followed by BBC Wales - also 2009 - and BBC Surrey in 2010.
Crozier was CEO of Royal Mail at a crucial period in the Post Office scandal when the Post Office was still part of Royal Mail, in which hundreds of sub-postmasters were falsely accused of, and prosecuted for, theft or false accounting. Prosecutions were conducted based on revenue shortfalls identified by the Post Office's Horizon computer system. These were erroneous and the result of bugs and errors in the system.[15] Post Office officials knew about the bugs as early as 2002, but chose to continue with the prosecutions regardless.[16]
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Crozier left the Royal Mail in 2010 to become the chief executive of media group ITV plc.[17][18]
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Therefore no surprise he’s not mentioned in th programme!
Keen to see how this drama covers the story., The song in the trailer makes the whole thing seem rather twee. This was devastating to people, it completely destroyed them.
Alan bates should be knighted
He was offered a CBE but declined it because the former head of the post office still has an OBE
Sadly no one will be held responsible. It'll all be brushed under the carpet. Possibly a lone exec. may resign (The fall guy) and will promptly take up another lucrative position in some other department.
Shame on the post office for your appalling treatment of innocent, loyal, and hardworking staff.
Absolutely disgraceful that innocent people should be accused of stealing.
Fijistu need to be accountable too, don't forget
Excellent program.really enjoying it.
I wish we could see this in Canada. I watched the interview with 3 of the workers involved and it was heartbreaking.
Last night (Easter Sunday) we in Aotearoa New Zealand saw the drama Mr Bates VS Post Office on TV 1. The content of that drama was discussed the following day on talk back radio. We are appalled at the corruption and cover-ups done by the UK Post Office. The Horizon computer system was evidently flawed. CEO of the PO, Paula Vennells, should have told the truth by laying the blame on Horizon and not upon innocent hardworking Post Masters and Post Mistresses. Mr Bates VS Post Office is a David & Goliath story where politicians, business leaders and big corporates shaft the little people, and to our amazement the little people fought back with plain truth.
I have Been watching this programme. I am utterly appalled!! Never has a programme made my blood boil like this has.
Unfortunately Justice Scales only tilt one way....
Its not just the PO, those at Fujitsu are also guilty, they made the programming manipulated it put in a back door and know that it is faulty but did nothing to stop it. So I hope those lose their jobs and end up in prison. But sadly the whole thing being run by number 10 and will not screw those responsible just move them to another job or bring into account those who have retired already.
Well Done Alan and all the others, I hope you get all the money you have lost and at a value it would be today plus houses you have lost. Good Luck
Post master bates is a legend
I hope we will get to see this in the U.S. soon! Toby Jones is one of my very favorite actors!
So excited to see this. I hope it goes some way towards raising awareness of this monumental scandal that no one seems to know about. (as a side note, did a robot do the voiceover at the end? Vs is pronounced versus not “verse”.)
Yeah its most likely AI as they have to make loads of things like that
It’s a legal case so you don’t pronounce vs as “versus”.
@@nemojzezat Really? I’ve never heard a lawyer say “verse.” They do change the v to “and”or “against” but even so, it’s never “verse”. That’s a completely different word.
This programme has brought me to tears . What is happening in this country !!!
As a former software engineer(Not Fujitsu), I am concerned that unpredictable failures could negatively impact people's lives. Since hearing this news, I have been experiencing anxiety. It's challenging to create perfect software. I chose to become an engineer because software can alleviate the burden of stressful paperwork. Currently, I am developing medical AI, and I hope that my AI can improve people's health. However, I worry that my mistakes may pose a risk to somebody's life. I advocate for more funding to ensure thorough checks on AI and software, allowing sufficient time for development.
In addition to wiping all criminal records, each postmaster and postmistress affected should get the money they paid back thats the first thing. Then the government should give them £1m each to make up for the financial loss and impact. This is only the financial side. People should be held to account across the post office, government and fijitsu.
adjusted to the greater of stock market gains or inflation since the time the money was extorted
Fantastic this is!!! Well worth a watch and to say what royal mail did was wrong its beyond despicable!!
Shame on the post office!!
Please release this in Australia so we can watch & support our UK friends. National reaction over there is getting things moving. Imagine what a more global reaction could achieve.
Eh why was Crozier (who ended up working at ITV) mysteriously erased froom this drama? He's more guilty than anyone else in this sorry tale. Makes me question by the commitment to honesty and integrity at ITV. The whole thing stinks!
This is a great case. It shows the world that the level of justice in England has not changed since the Middle Ages.
I came to see the what caused all the politicians to care all of a sudden and an honour being returned.
There’s a real common thread in the news that there’s an emperor with no clothes, but he does have lots of war toys to distract us with.
Bow down to your horizon overlords
Thankfully our Scottish friends worked out the bug in the system ❤
Can this be streamed from outside the UK ?
So where did the post office think all the extra money came from???
Good question , it should have shown up as a deficit somewhere ,
Hope this doesn’t turn out like the Torie scandals’ PPE Covid etc , where no one is held accountable for absolutely anything, as usual where anyone in power seems to have different set of Laws to the rest of us plebs ‘ just hope the ceo or the vicar as she’s known as , is quaking in her gown, nows the time to start praying 🙏
She's no longer a vicar, she voluntarily stood down, rumour has it the Archbishop of Canterbury threatened to have her unfrocked. If you believe in the after life ..................................
The opening scene looks familiar. It that Worthing or Brighton seafront?
It’s Craig y don Llandudno, my mum worked bts and I was allowed to be there when they were filming it was filmed on queens road, however the signs and stuff you see on the buildings were all props for example Jackie’s hair salon is acc a salon called salon81 :)
@@angelbennett4507 Ah thank you. I holidayed there as a child. My mother was evacuated there in WWll. I've had a look at salon 81 on Queen's Road and the view towards the seafront with the streetlights that looked familiar. Cheers!
@@angelbennett4507I know that area from my holidays in Llandudno - my favourite destination!
Sue the P.Off and put the thystem on trial!
Postman Pat and Mrs. Goggins wouldn’t have been very happy about the Post Office Scandal.
It is just me or do itv use this song on all of their TV series?
I feel angry, sick to my stomach. How on earth are they ever going to make this right.
Money won't do it. Apologies won't do it. Perhaps the accountability and social degradation of all those responsible and who kept this travesty going MIGHT offer some reparation. A classic example of horrific abuse of power. And utterly implacable will. Everyone who contributed KNOWINGLY to visiting this devastation on these people should be standing in the dock and looking straight into the pit where they were happy to send innocent people.
Well done, ITV. Can you do the loan scheme scandal and Excluded 3.8m as well?
Can someone tell me what song this is?
Didn't Sherlock Holmes out this guy as a serial killer?
Reckoning
The biggest astonishment for me is, do we always need some kind of TV drama in order to undo the injustices???
Look at the pace, since the ITV aired this drama, parliament has started discussing it with full passion for the very first time, making law (overnight) to over turn the convictions. The So called top executive is returning her CBE within 24 hours? …everything is now happening quick, quick & quick because it was dramatised.
For 24 years no drama was aired, lives of the victims were constantly ridiculed, highly paid executive was being nominated for CBE, (she was happily bowing infront of her majesty to accept honour for so called great services while this ordeal was going on for ages),,,in short, days and nights both were beautiful for the entire top lot with millions of salaries….. Until someone made and aired this drama….
Does the system knows how to work ONLY when some dramatisation is aired???? Ridiculous!!
System should work with same pace for every injustice, because it is not possible to dramatise each injustice.
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How can I get involved in this miscarriage of justice?
Makes me angry, I have had so much experience of injustice in the workplace on account of people lying, it is why I doubt the guilt of people like Lucy Letby, people are so quick to jump to conclusions and believe what the 'establishment' tells them is the truth. I think in the end, the best response is probably to say as Jesus did 'forgive them for they know not what they do'.
I doubt she’s guilty. The fact it’s even possible for us to say this means she shouldn’t be in prison. There is zero evidence and the scant evidence available points to the fact she was set up by superiors.
Will someone pls please pretty please post on YT. Much gratitude in advance from a Brit abroad.
Wonder if Paula Vennals has watched it.
If she has, she should have the decency to hand back her CBE. But come to think of it, anyone connected to this scandal at the P.O. doesn’t have a shred of decency in their body. If the Post Office’s reputation isn’t already down the crapper, it will be by the time the final episode has aired on Thursday.
I wouldn’t want to be any of those that lied in the post office,and Fujitsu as they will be very worried now what is going to happen to them as they lied under oath,prison will be your home eventually.
I doubt any of them will ever be prosecuted unfortunately @@pauldevenport28320
@@RsR6969 I do wonder how the atmosphere is in the office. Would love to be a fly on the wall!
Yes she has, she was last seen being put into a cardboard box to be posted overseas with a note (Never to be opened)
Mr bates vs the post office includes tonight at 9pm
I'm wondering what the song is in the background. What's she singing? It sounds like "heave-ho"
It's called People Help The People and it's by Birdy
@@HarryDunlopClark thank you, after researching it I found it. Makes sense now. I just didn't understand what was being sung when I heard it. Now that I know what the song is, it suits the trailer to this perfectly
i hope i can see it on netflix 😉
anyone knows how i can watch it outside of the UK? ty
Come to uk on a dingy
It's on ITVX, you may be able to stream it from there
Wish we could watch this in the US. The UK Post Office Scandal doesn't make the news here in the US. What a tragedy for the victims.
@@Xyz-we1xv I can't find it on B Fl ix
A shame you can't watch this outside of the UK and can't subscribe to ITV outside of UK either.
From Japan. We are sorry this big
calumniation. Fujitsu must face the justice systems in UK.
Anyone Interested in this scandal should read "The Great Post Office Scandal" by Nick Wallis. Brilliant, shocking, depressing, sad and fkn annoying!!
Yep, plan to get copy. The BBC Sounds Podcast is really good too,
@@rimini201im totally loving your comments feel so sad for these people
How has this done so well led to a loss of profits for ITV...
How do we watch this, as it’s not on itv!?
It's on itvx
@@POPE_FRANC1S have you checked ITVX this week (3rd wk January 2024)? If I type in the name of the show nothing comes up. What search are you doing this week that makes it come up? Thanks
@@SunlightmoonbrightHave you found it yet? Ironically, ITVX is also an incredibly buggy piece of software. I was watching it in the living room fine on ITVX. Moved to the bedroom, and what you described happened! But was still available on my other TV. Have another look if you haven't.
The issue with all this is an IT service framework developed by the British Government called ITIL. It permits all sorts of risky workarounds to keep faulty services live. This is the scandal. IT support staff regularly logged into accounts of these post-masters and post-mistresses to re-run transactions to fix errors in the system. This then caused the Horizon software to incorrectly show transactions that were not done by the staff themselves. The ITIL framework is used on other government contracts and IT consultancies who employ operations and service managers who look the other way on this stuff should be investigated immediately. The ITIL framework should be abolished and no workaround should be allowed on public sector IT systems. It's shameful how this kept going for so long.
Toby Jones. Wonderful actor.
A tip: Check out if Ex Councillor John Currey and The EU Medical Facility which took over Parliament over Eastsr, while they were not thete had any indirect connection to Paula Vennells? I think 🤔💬 you will find a link
Should we boycott the post office or royal mail? I'm confused
wales looking very nice
As always it takes some sort of disaster or dramatic event or media spotlight for action to happen
HAS ANYONE VIDEOED THIS
Yes
So angry after watching this.
Mr Bates and his son Master Bates!
In other words, my Uncle Bob and Cousin Steve!
@@angelacooper2661 Please tell me your Auntie's called Fanny!
My mum and dad lost everything because of this! It destroyed their marriage and they lost their business, house and any respect they had in the local area.
What are their names
I am very saddened by the loss of people's lives - literally, caused by this fiasco, and the attempts to deny the issue existed, AND to go on lying about it even after the facts wre proved. Unbelievable, especially in a country that holds itself up as a bastion of looking after the less fortunate and underpriveledged. It certainly makes me think twice about anything the UK Government says.
And, what troubles me is that surely FUJITSU's Horizon software isn't exclusive to the PO. Othe customers must be using it. Are there any issues with that? Or was the PO's version customized in some way - either by Fujitsu or by the PO's software team. Eather way, due diligence was not followed!!
How as the mainstream media kept this quite so long. Evil. What can we do.
FYI: A "public/private" PARTNERSHIP is also called *FASCISM.*
The UK began dying in 1997 when Tony Blair came to power, opened the doors to immigration then sent us to war 6 years later. Got re-elected by the skin of his teeth in 2005, and then we've had a disgrace of a Conservative government since. This series is this 1997 - 2024 Britain in a nutshell.
I was appalled when I heard about what they did especially the fact that some of the sub postmasters took their own lives, it's disgraceful what was done to those innocent people and I hope they eventually get the justice they deserve because they still haven't 😔😢
Don't think the voice over at the end has the correct energy or dynamic for a drama such as this that's so shocking.....
Lol it was abit too cheerful wasn't it
It's the standard one for ITV. You are right though. Doesn't match at all.
Woke telly about society’s “victims” has been stuffed down our throats so long, but here’s a real story about real victims and it’s had real resonance and made a real difference - funny that.
Computers make mistakes
Do you know anything about this scandal? Yes, the computer program was flawed, but the cover-up was carried out be _people,_ not computers. People who have never really been held to account for their appalling behaviour.
WTF does that mean???? People design, manufacture, write code & programme computers
@@dulwichgraphics9771 WTF means that the essential code was flawed with an easy backdoor to manipulate the accounting figures. It was revealed in this interview.
@@1man1guitarletsgo Do you know this was a very terrible example of men hurting other men knowingly to earn more money.!
One prosecution barrister in the program suggested the computer system was infallible. None are infallible & so many systems are easily hacked. @@KironManuelCards
日本の富士通のシステムの欠陥のせいでこのようなことになってしまい、日本人としてとても申し訳なく思う。
It's very unexpected coming from Japan. Here in the US we look up to Japan for both reliable technology, and reliable math and accounting.
What is Fujitsu, a rich company, doing to help the victims of this abuse?
The tone of this makes it seem really insignificant and boring. Come on guys, working at post office while this was revealed and just hearing half rumours was more thrilling than watching this.
you ignorant person
They literally call it the largest miscarriage of justice in British history. Hardly making it sound insignificant
Stop promoting your crap dramas I don't mean this btw.
Women CEO's... what a marvellous idea.