Thanks for making this, I know it feels like you're just nitpicking but these kinds of detailed analyses are really helpful for people like me trying to study and internalize good rescue practices. The guy who taught my swift water rescue course really emphasized that there not only needs to be a leader, but that the leader needs to try to keep their hands off the equipment as much as possible, and this video seems to illustrate why. If they'd had a leader who was more focused on watching and correcting things as they went, they might've noticed pretty much everything you pointed out, big and small
We had a raft stuck in the hole at Badger on the Grand Canyon for 20+ minutes, both occupants had been ejected. For those not familiar, it is right in the middle of the river, too far for Hail Mary throwbag tosses. Knowing that the river is in a constant dam-release fluctuation, we got in position to retrieve it and it came loose on it's own. Fortunately no loss of gear, would have been a bummer on Day 1 of 24. Zach, I think you've touched on this before, but you can tell who has and hasn't retrieved a swimmer by how optimistically they position themselves. If you are even with or upstream of the victim when they grab the rope, now the current is against you. Best to be down from them if at all possible so you can initially use the current in your favor as you start to reel them in. Good point in this video about not expecting a swimmer to be able to get to a rope you toss to them in turbulence.
Zach - you saved my family from listening to me do a group critique. It's a great video to learn from. I'd add to your comments that it's always cool to scout if you don't know the line and you are carrying group gear. It's so easy on river right at that drop. If rafts are keying off kayakers, kayakers need to provide information. And kayaker throwbags are often too short. A longer rope with a static line will reach better on larger rivers and eliminate the rope stretch of those less expensive bags. Thanks again. Ron
I feel the rafter A; went to the wrong place, and B; disnt T up and push through. Maybe still stuck, but I say always try to the last second to overcome.
I’m self-taught private boater, but was that captain even trying to get out of the hole? No oars in the water, bags flying out… What happened to rig to flip. As far as I’m concerned you hammer on that oar until it breaks. In my opinion, it didn’t even look like he tried to get out.
Thanks for making this, I know it feels like you're just nitpicking but these kinds of detailed analyses are really helpful for people like me trying to study and internalize good rescue practices.
The guy who taught my swift water rescue course really emphasized that there not only needs to be a leader, but that the leader needs to try to keep their hands off the equipment as much as possible, and this video seems to illustrate why. If they'd had a leader who was more focused on watching and correcting things as they went, they might've noticed pretty much everything you pointed out, big and small
I'll be using this video in my rowing school from now on. Its a pretty great tool showing what to do, not to do, and progression of a rescue
That is great to hear, I hope it helps your students!
We got stuck in velvet falls for about 10-15 minutes this past summer and seeing the difference in rescuing our raft vs this is crazy
Watched this a few days ago. Glad you broke it down. I miss the middle fork!
We had a raft stuck in the hole at Badger on the Grand Canyon for 20+ minutes, both occupants had been ejected. For those not familiar, it is right in the middle of the river, too far for Hail Mary throwbag tosses. Knowing that the river is in a constant dam-release fluctuation, we got in position to retrieve it and it came loose on it's own. Fortunately no loss of gear, would have been a bummer on Day 1 of 24. Zach, I think you've touched on this before, but you can tell who has and hasn't retrieved a swimmer by how optimistically they position themselves. If you are even with or upstream of the victim when they grab the rope, now the current is against you. Best to be down from them if at all possible so you can initially use the current in your favor as you start to reel them in. Good point in this video about not expecting a swimmer to be able to get to a rope you toss to them in turbulence.
Zach - you saved my family from listening to me do a group critique. It's a great video to learn from. I'd add to your comments that it's always cool to scout if you don't know the line and you are carrying group gear. It's so easy on river right at that drop. If rafts are keying off kayakers, kayakers need to provide information. And kayaker throwbags are often too short. A longer rope with a static line will reach better on larger rivers and eliminate the rope stretch of those less expensive bags. Thanks again. Ron
Thanks for adding a few thoughts!
Great video. Thanks!
I feel the rafter A; went to the wrong place, and B; disnt T up and push through. Maybe still stuck, but I say always try to the last second to overcome.
LUDA - Leader, Upstream, Downstream, After. Acronym to help me remember.
Holy moly yea a lot going on. I wonder what the white claw count was. Glad everyone was okay.
Is there a link to the original video?
It's in the description. I'm not sure how I could have made it easier to find than that.
I'm guessing those bags were under a net. Has anyone seen a Santa sack get tested?
Rope uncoiled = hazard.
Bags coming out; i dont agree with the breakaway method. My bags will stay connected to the raft for a month in a strainer.
I’m self-taught private boater, but was that captain even trying to get out of the hole? No oars in the water, bags flying out… What happened to rig to flip. As far as I’m concerned you hammer on that oar until it breaks. In my opinion, it didn’t even look like he tried to get out.