@@GregTheReaper Gotta agree with you there... though I would love to see Peter's take on the speech from the end of "In the Pale Moonlight", arguably one of the best monologues of the series by Sisko/Brooks...
Unless it's been confirmed by the show writers, the Argolis references might just be coincidence. Argolis is a region of Greece, famously home to the ancient city of Argos. So it's possible both shows were referencing that, because Greek names sound cool and sci-fi.
True, because Doctor Who also features a planet called Vulcan, named after a Roman god. In that case though the uses were too close together to have had any influence on each other. But usually when science fiction franchises feature astronomical regions with the same name, it's because it's a region that is actually named in real life astronomy. Not the case in this instance. This may be more like the time in Deep Space Nine when a ship manifest showed that a ship was headed to DS9 from Alderaan.
because the companion of the doctor here mentioned lizard planets with Argolis, and because the race of lizardlike people in TES(the elders scroll fraanchise) are named argonians, i think "Argo" has something to do with lizards. or maybe everyone are just referencing each other.
Russell T Davies wanted a crossover with Trek back in his first era. Now he’s back, and there’s more Trek than ever, it could happen. At the very least a Prodigy or Lower Decks crossover. Make it so!
I feel like the doctor who universe and the Star Trek universe could be connected even with a simple throwaway line such as “did you know Star Trek is based on a true story? Yeah, the director was actually an alien, who wanted to share the story! He experienced it firsthand. A couple of planets even have their own star treks, though, of course they were a bit different” Also please read that all in the voice of whoever your favorite doctor is, it makes it much better
Anything can be connected to Doctor Who as the T.A.R.D.I.S. can travel through the multiverse, hell in the comics 7 picked up a character who was in Transformers but belonged to Marvel and dropped em off on the top of the Baxter Building.
The difference is that many of the Star Trek references on (2005+) Doctor Who are extremely overt and assume a world in which Star Trek is a fixture of pop culture, whereas the Doctor Who references in Star Trek tend to be subtle Easter eggs.
The last aired special, The Power Of The Doctor, contains several direct visual references to Star Trek. In one scene the Doctor and Yaz touch hands though a transparent barrier much like Kirk and Spock in STII. And then erupting volcanoes are frozen and shut down just like the one in Into Darkness. But the one that's most obvious is the implosion of the cyber moon. It's an exact recreation of Vulcan's destruction in ST 2009 complete with the Tardis racing away just as the Enterprise did
@@PenneySounds they kinda are really, both are are part organic part machine, they both convert human beings to their kind, both supress individuality and emotions, both have a hive mind
@@jennydavis4198 The Cyberman don't really have a hive mind. They're linked in a network, but the Borg are actually a single mind. I also think that Cyber conversion is primarily a new series concept. Classic Cybermen had already converted their own kind and didn't convert others, as far as I can recall. The Borg convert everything.
Yeah but any crossover with doctor who is always fucking terrible and unfortunately, contrary to what loads of people in the comments think, wouldn't work on TV
I mean, they did cross over in a comic, for those of you who don't know The 11th Doctor teams up with the Crew of the Enterprise-D to fight a Borg-Cybermen alliance.
At this point I consider it cannon lol it's such a good star trek show I don't know of any other show that could be connected to star trek as the Orville, down to the uniforms, the score, and ship and alien designs.
Loved the vid. If you're doing a part 2; in the Season 8 episode, "Into the Dalek", (2nd Capaldi episode), the Dalek tells the Doctor "Resistance is Futile".
That's what confuses me. How could they do that when we've heard the title Star Trek in Doctor Who many times? Kinda breaking the 4th wall a bit innit?
Seeing Bill Pots talking to Nardole suddenly makes me really miss Bill as a companion. I wonder if Pearl Mackie will ever reprise her role as Bill like other companions have done before?
I mean, 15th says he should make Ruby meet the Enterprise one day when she makes a Star Trek reference, so in a sense the comic crossover happened. Also, funnily enough the uniforms used by the crew that abandoned the ship they were in, in that episode are very Trekkie down to the colors matching the roles in ST
I've never seen that, but I tried searching for the "please state the nature" phrase in reference to Thunderbirds and all results referred me back to "The Lodger". Considering he says it to a hologram, I doubt the Voyager reference was unintentional.
@@PenneySounds he also uses the name Troy Hanson which is possibly a nod to another Gerry Anderson show Stingray on which the hero is named Troy Tempest. Captain Hanson was the pilot of the ill-fated Fireflash which crashed in the first episode of Thunderbirds. Thanks for the vid, great effort.
Power of the Daleks part 1 aired November 5 1966 The planet Vulcan was mentioned in "The Man Trap", the very first Star Trek episode aired, on September 8 1966 I highly doubt that word of Star Trek featuring a planet called Vulcan reached the U.K. in time for them to write and produce a serial that started airing just 2 months later. So I chalk this one up as a coincidence.
@@Stormkrow280 It's the same as the Sonic Screwdriver and Gary Seven's Servo. Introduced far too close together for one to be a reference to the other.
_The Number of the Beast_ by Robert Heinlein explains that. It's pretty funny when two authors meet, each of which had invented the other as a fictional character. (More difficult to explain is the Captain America comic in which Adolf Hitler reads the first issue of Captain America on the toilet.)
That could be easy to explain, because they publish comics about Captain America inside the Marvel Universe. Even in the MCU, we see kids reading his comics.
It has to be said that the referencing of Dr Who in Star Trek is very slight. I really can't make out the ancestor list clearly enough to be sure of any of the names either. Who reffing Trek - very clear though. A few actors have played in both though :-)
The ancestor list says: William Hartnell Patrick Troughton Jon Pertwee Tom Baker Peter Davidson Colin Baker The generation before those names were mostly characters from M*A*S*H It's hard to see in the Standard Definition version, which is probably why they thought they could get away with it, and why it was all redone for the HD remaster.
The Who references in Trek were certainly subtle though. I've never even seen anyone else mention those two Voyager props that are clearly made of sonic screwdriver parts. I spotted those myself.
Another difference is that Doctor Who is very pop culture aware, and will shamelessly name-drop other franchises, while characters in Star Trek act as if art and culture ceased to exist around 1950. The most recent art forms they're aware of are big band music, detective novels set in the 30s, and black-and-white science fiction serials. And even those things are treated as low brow. Everything else is Shakespeare and Mozart. One of the ways The Orville has improved on Star Trek. They get that Doctor Who and Kermit The Frog will be just as much "the classics" as Moby Dick and Sherlock Holmes 400 years from now.
@@PenneySounds I think the star trek thing is because Star Trek is technically a post apocalyptic universe. In their universe, Earth was ravaged by I think 2 Nuclear wars in the 90's and a world war with eugenics mutants. It's likely they just don't have those records from the 70's through the 80's anymore because the wars blew it all up.
@Sorren Blitz Just one nuclear war, in the 2040-50s. I have a documentary on the subject on my channel. Even if we believe EMP from nuclear detonations erased a lot of digital records, it still seems unlikely that they'd lose the last 90 years or so of human culture but retain everything from before. It's more like a snobbishness. Like they have the cultural records from the 1960s on, they just think it's all too low brow. Like that time Kirk and Spock were in the 1980s: SPOCK: Your use of language has altered since our arrival. It is currently laced with, ...shall I say, ...more colourful metaphors. 'Double dumbass on you' ...and so forth. KIRK: You mean the profanity. That's simply the way they talk here. Nobody pays any attention to you unless you swear every other word. You'll find it in all the literature of the period. SPOCK: For example? KIRK: Oh, the collective works of Jacqueline Susann. The novels of Harold Robbins. SPOCK: Ah. The giants.
Well....since Snoopy and his dog house was mentioned... I'd like to see a ST "short" where the crew encounters the adventurous beagle, perhaps in orbit around the Mun, and in need of a dog biscuit and a cup of hot cocoa. He got lost while searching for the Red Baron, you see.
Another reference to Dr. Who can be found in Star Trek: Lower Decks. Often when Rutherford or some other engineer uses a tool, it makes the sound of the sonic screwdriver.
I love how the Doctor from Voyager is just a straight homage in much of his rendering. I must jot have seen the episode where he got taken over by the master, but I’m proud to say I picked up on a lot of the other doctor who references in that show.
Had Doctor Who run on to 1990 there was going to be an entire story based on Star Trek with several deliberate references, the Doctor would have asked for Earl Grey Tea hot at one point.
I once heard a story that when Sylvester McCoy first auditioned for the role of the Doctor, he'd mentioned it to Patrick Stewart, who laughed at him for wanting to do science fiction. Then I guess he must have reconsidered when he got asked to do a show in the U.S.
The time travelling capsule with no obvious propulsion that's bigger on the inside is 100% supposed to be a TARDIS. There's no possible way they didn't know what they were doing there.
Right, it's a total coincidence that the character called "The Doctor" turned evil and described himself as "Master". Total coincidence that he uses tools shaped like Sonic Screwdrivers. Total coincidence that a screen showed the names "William Hartnell, Patrick Troughton, Jon Pertwee", etc.
I actually own IDW's Star Trek, Doctor Who crossover, and I recall they also reference Back To The Future, too with the 'flux capacitor'. Take care, and all the best.
Weirdly I've found Voyager is an excellent crossover. Just enough timey wimey weirdness to intrigue Whovians, and just enough Trek to keep them hooked. Voyager is weirdly also a good hopping on point for Trekkies interested in Who, as it has a non-human, technically immortal being with abilities and skills just behind a normal humans, who is also named The Doctor.
@@JaydenVarghese There's a playlist on my channel for Star Trek fan productions. The first video is the prelude I made. And in the playlist's description is a link to the episode guide I wrote, listing a chronological viewing order for all 5 shows and 10 films in the original franchise, as well as the fan productions in the playlist. There is a similar viewing order list in the description of my Doctor Who Minisodes playlist.
Pause the video at 0:49 and see the left side of the display. Check out the first names listed: Jonathan, Marina, Denise, Brent, Levardis, then Cheryl and Wil W. Sneaky!
I know this deals with the shows, but let’s not forget the book “The Doctor and the Enterprise”. Fourth Doctor meets Captain Kirk. Short but oddly funny. A bit of Wizard of Oz in it too.
Huh.. the "more space in the inside" thing was also reference in star trek online... you know, in that one mission with the temporal agents department...
Star Trek TNG also has an episode with time travelling conman Berlinghoff Rasmussen (played by Matt Frewer), who has a small time travelling ship (albeit not bigger on the inside) and is rather eccentric.
Captain Mercer's line confirms that Doctor Who is still going strong in the 25th century. Like, yeah, I know that their database has a lot of entertainment, archived from our time that they revisit. But who knows, since it comes to his mind first, maybe the show could still be airing new episodes. I wonder if you would view them in the simulator or a screen though.
I completely forgot about Snoopy's dog house. Considering that Peanuts predates Doctor Who by 13 years, the question needs to be asked: Is Snoopy the 0th Doctor?
@@PenneySounds Well it is a spinoff, but it is technically just another side of the show since the main characters like Sarah, Mr. Smith, K9, and the Doctor appear in both shows. I said Mr. Smith and K9 since they are technically sentient computer beings.
Missed a couple (unless my attention span is getting worse): * STNG "A Matter of Time" - Rassmusen was heavily inspired by The Doctor and Tom Baker was on the shortlist to play him. The ship was also bigger on the inside (a bit!). * Capaldi's "Under the Lake", Star Trek characters in wall mural.
I never thought of Rassmusen being much like The Doctor. He has a time machine from the future, but the plot twist is he's a con artist from the past. There's a very roundabout link to Doctor Who though via the famous "Max Headroom incident". I considered the wall mural, but that reference is far too subtle.
@@PenneySounds How about "Silurians" (Saurians) in Voyager, "Distant Origin"? When I first heard the title of the Who episode "Dinosaurs on a Spaceship" I thought it was going to be some kid of crossover!
Some similarity, but one are a reptile species that existed alongside dinosaurs and preserved themselves underground for millions of years without changing, while the other are actual descendants of Dinosaurs who went out into space and continued to evolve over millions of years.
@@PenneySounds Um, they were deliberately and purposely written as an homage to Doctor Who! The Silurians also evolved from a dinosaur ancestor obviously, or are you implying they were created by Lizard Jesus or something?! Like the Borg being directly inspired by the Cybermen, there are going to be some artistic differences, but the concept as a whole is practically identical.
I have to add - the season 1 two-part finale "Shockwave" contained a reference, not to Trek, but to Quantum Leap, when Archer found himself transported back in time to his own body in the past.
There was a really good Trek novel written a while back called "Ishmael" that crossed characters over from a late 60s TV show called "Here Come the Brides" that starred Mark Lenard. In the novel, there are multiple subtle references to Doctor Who. :-) If you can find it, it's worth a read. I think the author's name was Barbara Hambly. A fun read even if you don't recognize the crossovers, and I didn't recognize the "Brides" one at all.
I got the book about 2 years ago and thoroughly enjoyed it, having watched both 'Here Come the Brides' and 'ST'. It was a fun read. Thanks for bringing up the memory. Now to go find it again.
Yes I read the book it gave vague references to characters from several shows set in the nineteenth century and from sci fi characters.,including the Doctor in the 23rd century setting
Harlan Ellison, creative consultant for Babylon 5 (and had a Stargate character named after him), once said on UseNET that Doctor Who is the best sci-fi show in existence. Which would explain why the episode of Star Trek that he wrote is a time travel story about a space hobo and his companion.
You're right, River keeps a bottle of Aldebaran brandy in the TARDIS, while Picard gifted a bottle of Aldebaran whiskey to Guinan, which he ended up sharing with Scotty. But that one's a real tough one to call a reference, since Aldebaran AKA Alpha Tauri is a real star that exists a mere 65 light-years from here, and they were different varieties of liquor, it's hard to say if they were making a Trek reference. But it's near enough that I'd probably have included it if I'd thought of it.
Aldebaran along with Rigel is among those real world stars that got a lot of mention in classic science fiction. It's not really surprising that both would use them.
The coincidence isn't two occurrences of Aldebaran being mentioned, it's two occurrences of Aldebaran liquor being mentioned. Much harder to dismiss as unintentional.
Watching that footage... it seems more like Dr. Who making a ton of Star Trek references than the other way around. The mention of Argolis is likely a coincidence. Same goes with Voyager's Doctor too. Why would a Medical Hologram need a name?
Bob Picardo is on the record as a Doctor Who fan. They knew what they were doing when they called him "The Doctor" and gave him a prop made out of a Sonic Screwdriver, and had his evil alter-ego call himself "Master".
In these examples it is largely SJA. The most obvious main show reference, when Rose asks for more "Spock" doesn't appear until halfway through. Also the Classic series hardly mentions Trek at all. Many of these examples are RTD era, the Trek references being a kind of shorthand for the younger generation who would possibly have seen Trek but not Classic Who.
@@PenneySounds Here's why I chalk most of the Dr. Who references in TREK to coincidence - because most of them can be explained away just as easily as something other than a Dr. Who reference. The TREK references in Dr. Who are a LOT harder to explain away as being something other than a TREK reference. I'm reasonably sure that Voyager's EMH was called "The Doctor" or just plain "Doctor" or "Doc" because that was his function. He was an Emergency Medical Hologram (which means he does not need a name)... and as they pointed out many, many times over the 7 years Star Trek: Voyager was on television, he was never intended to be activated nearly as much as he - out of necessity - was. He follows a long, proud history of other Star Trek Doctors... like Dr. McCoy, Dr. Crusher and Dr. Bashir (for the most part). It would've been weird for the crew to call him anything except "Doctor". That Bob Picardo was a Dr. Who fan doesn't change that. He didn't create the show. It might've given him some satisfaction to be playing a character called "Doctor"... but that doesn't automatically mean the character was called that because of Dr. Who. Maybe some of the other stuff is the result of a Dr. Who fan writing for a TREK show... but IMHO, most of it is probably not. Even the "It's bigger on the inside that the outside" line doesn't mean it's automatically an homage or was lifted from Dr. Who. In layman's terms... it was the easiest way to describe what they were seeing. If they instead had said it was "dimensionally transcendental"... then I think chances are better that someone on the writing staff is a Doctor Who fan. And I guess that's my point in the end. The Dr. Who references in TREK - if that's indeed what they are - are vailed/questionable... where the TREK references in Dr. Who are much more direct/obvious. When Dr. Who name-drops "Spock"... I doubt most people watching think they're referring to Dr. Benjamin Spock... or some other person named Spock.
@@PenneySounds What's watching it a third time going to show me that watching it twice hasn't already shown me? We're both free to make up our own minds, right?
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Fun Fact: Peter Capaldi himself is a Trekkie, he also auditioned for the role of Benjamin Sisko on Deep Space Nine but lost the role to Avery Brooks.
Not surprised he didn't get it. Peter would've been much too young for Sisko at the time.
Oh how glad I am Brooks got it. As great as Capaldi is, he's not Brooks.
@@GregTheReaper Gotta agree with you there... though I would love to see Peter's take on the speech from the end of "In the Pale Moonlight", arguably one of the best monologues of the series by Sisko/Brooks...
@@BYERE Honestly? I wouldn't object to seeing that.
Capaldi, being Scottish, would have nutted Q in a boxing match, while Brooks merely punched his lights out. ;-)
Unless it's been confirmed by the show writers, the Argolis references might just be coincidence. Argolis is a region of Greece, famously home to the ancient city of Argos. So it's possible both shows were referencing that, because Greek names sound cool and sci-fi.
True, because Doctor Who also features a planet called Vulcan, named after a Roman god. In that case though the uses were too close together to have had any influence on each other.
But usually when science fiction franchises feature astronomical regions with the same name, it's because it's a region that is actually named in real life astronomy. Not the case in this instance.
This may be more like the time in Deep Space Nine when a ship manifest showed that a ship was headed to DS9 from Alderaan.
@@PenneySounds Alderaan also showed up on a display in TNG, but it was renamed to Aldebaran in the Remastered version.
@@PenneySounds And it had a planet called Vulcan before Star Trek premiered, but in the real universe Vulcan is the name of a star.
because the companion of the doctor here mentioned lizard planets with Argolis, and because the race of lizardlike people in TES(the elders scroll fraanchise) are named argonians, i think "Argo" has something to do with lizards. or maybe everyone are just referencing each other.
@@tezakleiru Also: the mythological Argonauts who sailed to sea with Jason to get the golden fleece
A crossover is overdue. The two longest running sci Fi adventure series need to meet.
There was a comic book crossover, if you're interested.
There was a crossover comic called Assimilation² which featured the Cybermen and the Borg.
@@spark-e I am. Where can I get it?
@@davidnordmeyer513 I can send you the whole thing if you like.
@@spark-e That’s not the same as the Doctor stumbling onto the Enterprise and saying big fam big fan.
Russell T Davies wanted a crossover with Trek back in his first era. Now he’s back, and there’s more Trek than ever, it could happen. At the very least a Prodigy or Lower Decks crossover. Make it so!
Oh god no. Star Trek died in 2005. The edgy reboot that sits in its place is not worthy of the name, and certainly shouldn't infect Doctor Who.
There was a comic book cross over.
@@PenneySounds I think it could be fun.
@@TorchwoodPandP yeah featuring TNG crew, the borg and cybermen with 11 and the Ponds!!!! ❤❤❤❤
@@PenneySounds What about the new shows? I think they are part of the original timeline if i'm not mistaken.
Bonus points for including The Orville
Love how the TARDIS is compared to Grouch"s can and Snoopy's dog house.
...Mary Poppins' carrybag?
I feel like the doctor who universe and the Star Trek universe could be connected even with a simple throwaway line such as “did you know Star Trek is based on a true story? Yeah, the director was actually an alien, who wanted to share the story! He experienced it firsthand. A couple of planets even have their own star treks, though, of course they were a bit different”
Also please read that all in the voice of whoever your favorite doctor is, it makes it much better
Just say Gene Roddenberry was a Time Lord.
I read that in Peter capaldi's voice lol
@@Danimpish same lol it seems like something his doctor would say
@@stevenle9960 peter and matt smith feel like the ones who would say it
Anything can be connected to Doctor Who as the T.A.R.D.I.S. can travel through the multiverse, hell in the comics 7 picked up a character who was in Transformers but belonged to Marvel and dropped em off on the top of the Baxter Building.
The difference is that many of the Star Trek references on (2005+) Doctor Who are extremely overt and assume a world in which Star Trek is a fixture of pop culture, whereas the Doctor Who references in Star Trek tend to be subtle Easter eggs.
and it's an unconfident minus about Nu Who and annoying in it.
A consequence of Doctor Who featuring modern day people and Star Trek being set centuries into the future.
@@HighSlayerRaltonPre-2005 Doctor Who seemed to avoid that consequence with no issue whatsoever for almost 30 seasons.
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@@HighSlayerRalton maybe what youre not considering is that quite possibly, maybe JUST MAYBE its just a show in the Whoniverse too
Fun fact: the producers wanted Leonard Nimoy to play the Master in the 1996 movie
would he have let them still do the painful half-human rip-off ?
The last aired special, The Power Of The Doctor, contains several direct visual references to Star Trek. In one scene the Doctor and Yaz touch hands though a transparent barrier much like Kirk and Spock in STII. And then erupting volcanoes are frozen and shut down just like the one in Into Darkness. But the one that's most obvious is the implosion of the cyber moon. It's an exact recreation of Vulcan's destruction in ST 2009 complete with the Tardis racing away just as the Enterprise did
Nicholas Briggs said in his interview with Tharries that he's 100% sure the Borg from Star Trek were outright based on the Cybermen from Doctor Who
I always thought that. I once got told off by a Trekkie for even suggesting it.
Yep.. introduced in the TNG episode 'Q-Who'
They're not that similar
@@PenneySounds they kinda are really, both are are part organic part machine, they both convert human beings to their kind, both supress individuality and emotions, both have a hive mind
@@jennydavis4198 The Cyberman don't really have a hive mind. They're linked in a network, but the Borg are actually a single mind.
I also think that Cyber conversion is primarily a new series concept. Classic Cybermen had already converted their own kind and didn't convert others, as far as I can recall. The Borg convert everything.
I like how you added the Orville at the end.
I know this is for Dr Who and ST but the reboot of Battlestar Galactica also had a reference to TNG with a "hatch numbered 1701-D".
*Eventually they did a crossover comic between these two franchises!*
Featuring my favourite Doctor and my favourite Captain.
Yeah but any crossover with doctor who is always fucking terrible and unfortunately, contrary to what loads of people in the comments think, wouldn't work on TV
@@Hi-Fitxt I don't know, a Doctor Who - Red Dwarf cross-over could be pretty epic.
@@davidwuhrer6704 okay I agree with you there but purely because your speaking to my soul remotely mentioning red dwarf...
@@Hi-Fitxt As Dimensions in Time proved.
"You seem to have an extra one (organ)"
Me: "Back in my day we called that a tumor."
Thank you so very much. I'm a fan of both, Dr. WHO, and Star Trek.
The Doctor's names in that TNG episode is just awesome!
LOL the Orville Scene at the end was the cherry on top :)
Oscar's trash can, Snoopy's doghouse, And the T.A.R.D.I.S.
I mean, they did cross over in a comic, for those of you who don't know The 11th Doctor teams up with the Crew of the Enterprise-D to fight a Borg-Cybermen alliance.
yeah, I like the part where The Doctor points out that the battle was called WOLF 359
Wolf 359 is a real star, discovered by astronomer Max Wolf.
And they kept getting the characters wrong, doing things they wouldn't. It was so close to good.
I love that the Orville was included in this. ❤️
At this point I consider it cannon lol it's such a good star trek show
I don't know of any other show that could be connected to star trek as the Orville, down to the uniforms, the score, and ship and alien designs.
Not canon, but definitely the rightful heir to the Star Trek legacy
@@adcon00 Ok bye
This was a nice compilation of these series all put together.
Loved the vid. If you're doing a part 2; in the Season 8 episode, "Into the Dalek", (2nd Capaldi episode), the Dalek tells the Doctor "Resistance is Futile".
It's actually quite interesting how many references there are here
I love how you add the Orville in the end. lol.
Very good. Love the end bit 🤣
That's what confuses me. How could they do that when we've heard the title Star Trek in Doctor Who many times? Kinda breaking the 4th wall a bit innit?
@@x-venturegaming9951 The final clip was from The Orville, if that helps!
Can we just have a straight up, Star Trek/Doctor Who crossover already?
@@victorm152 They'd have to bring back real Star Trek first.
Snoopy being a Time Lord explains so much… like the fact his “doghouse” (TARDIS) can transport him to WWII where he is a flying ace!! 😂
Seeing Bill Pots talking to Nardole suddenly makes me really miss Bill as a companion. I wonder if Pearl Mackie will ever reprise her role as Bill like other companions have done before?
They both returned for an episode of "Doctor Who: Lockdown"
I like to think each show exists in each other's universe
That would get us into confusingly meta territory
I mean, 15th says he should make Ruby meet the Enterprise one day when she makes a Star Trek reference, so in a sense the comic crossover happened.
Also, funnily enough the uniforms used by the crew that abandoned the ship they were in, in that episode are very Trekkie down to the colors matching the roles in ST
Cut to a year later when 15 said: we’ve gotta visit there someday.
I was already enjoying this, and then an Orville clip happened. Perfect👌
4:37 is actually a Thunderbirds reference. It's how John answers calls on TB5
I've never seen that, but I tried searching for the "please state the nature" phrase in reference to Thunderbirds and all results referred me back to "The Lodger".
Considering he says it to a hologram, I doubt the Voyager reference was unintentional.
@@PenneySounds he also uses the name Troy Hanson which is possibly a nod to another Gerry Anderson show Stingray on which the hero is named Troy Tempest. Captain Hanson was the pilot of the ill-fated Fireflash which crashed in the first episode of Thunderbirds. Thanks for the vid, great effort.
Really? like i get the international rescue part, but to me it sounded like they combined the 2.
@@Houtblokje honestly I might be wrong. I remember them answering that way in the reboot but that was after the lodger tbf. May be an oopsie on my end
@@lupinbupin I don't remember them answering that way in the reboot? I could also be mistaken tho
Doctor Who had a planet named “Vulcan” before Star Trek did, specifically the 2nd Doctor serial “The Power of the Daleks”
Power of the Daleks part 1 aired November 5 1966
The planet Vulcan was mentioned in "The Man Trap", the very first Star Trek episode aired, on September 8 1966
I highly doubt that word of Star Trek featuring a planet called Vulcan reached the U.K. in time for them to write and produce a serial that started airing just 2 months later. So I chalk this one up as a coincidence.
@@PenneySounds it is an interesting one though
@@Stormkrow280 It's the same as the Sonic Screwdriver and Gary Seven's Servo. Introduced far too close together for one to be a reference to the other.
They are in parallel universes but happen to have to shows about each other
_The Number of the Beast_ by Robert Heinlein explains that. It's pretty funny when two authors meet, each of which had invented the other as a fictional character.
(More difficult to explain is the Captain America comic in which Adolf Hitler reads the first issue of Captain America on the toilet.)
That could be easy to explain, because they publish comics about Captain America inside the Marvel Universe. Even in the MCU, we see kids reading his comics.
@@PenneySounds It's like that scene from Spaceballs where they watch the film during the film.
There seriously needs to be a crossover on film between these franchises.
Galactic friendship day 2024
Surprised there's so many, with the comics crossing over, raising questions.
Spinoff comics should never be taken that seriously
There's a lot of references from SJA rather than Doctor Who itself.
im beginning to think star trek and doctor who are secretly in love with each other.
I don't think it's a secret.
The actress playing the office woman from 1969 in Doctor Who was fabulous!! I really believed she was from that era.
And a passable American accent, which is kind of rare on Doctor Who.
It has to be said that the referencing of Dr Who in Star Trek is very slight. I really can't make out the ancestor list clearly enough to be sure of any of the names either. Who reffing Trek - very clear though. A few actors have played in both though :-)
The ancestor list says:
William Hartnell
Patrick Troughton
Jon Pertwee
Tom Baker
Peter Davidson
Colin Baker
The generation before those names were mostly characters from M*A*S*H
It's hard to see in the Standard Definition version, which is probably why they thought they could get away with it, and why it was all redone for the HD remaster.
The Who references in Trek were certainly subtle though. I've never even seen anyone else mention those two Voyager props that are clearly made of sonic screwdriver parts. I spotted those myself.
Another difference is that Doctor Who is very pop culture aware, and will shamelessly name-drop other franchises, while characters in Star Trek act as if art and culture ceased to exist around 1950. The most recent art forms they're aware of are big band music, detective novels set in the 30s, and black-and-white science fiction serials. And even those things are treated as low brow. Everything else is Shakespeare and Mozart.
One of the ways The Orville has improved on Star Trek. They get that Doctor Who and Kermit The Frog will be just as much "the classics" as Moby Dick and Sherlock Holmes 400 years from now.
@@PenneySounds I think the star trek thing is because Star Trek is technically a post apocalyptic universe. In their universe, Earth was ravaged by I think 2 Nuclear wars in the 90's and a world war with eugenics mutants. It's likely they just don't have those records from the 70's through the 80's anymore because the wars blew it all up.
@Sorren Blitz Just one nuclear war, in the 2040-50s. I have a documentary on the subject on my channel.
Even if we believe EMP from nuclear detonations erased a lot of digital records, it still seems unlikely that they'd lose the last 90 years or so of human culture but retain everything from before.
It's more like a snobbishness. Like they have the cultural records from the 1960s on, they just think it's all too low brow. Like that time Kirk and Spock were in the 1980s:
SPOCK: Your use of language has altered since our arrival. It is currently laced with, ...shall I say, ...more colourful metaphors. 'Double dumbass on you' ...and so forth.
KIRK: You mean the profanity. That's simply the way they talk here. Nobody pays any attention to you unless you swear every other word. You'll find it in all the literature of the period.
SPOCK: For example?
KIRK: Oh, the collective works of Jacqueline Susann. The novels of Harold Robbins.
SPOCK: Ah. The giants.
Well....since Snoopy and his dog house was mentioned... I'd like to see a ST "short" where the crew encounters the adventurous beagle, perhaps in orbit around the Mun, and in need of a dog biscuit and a cup of hot cocoa. He got lost while searching for the Red Baron, you see.
as long as he doesn't do his business on another alien planet - that didn't turn out so well the first time
Deep cut. Deep as a chainsaw through an Alvera tree.
When you watch all of these clips in one sitting, in the context the title suggests, is amusing in extremis.
Some of the times Star Trek seems to be referencing Dr. Who, are undeniable, and sometimes it seems more like a coincidence.
Okay! The O(spoiler) clip at the end got you a LIKE!
and in the same episode as the "1701B" you see a mural that has 3 figures in a boat, wearing a blue, red, and yellow
@@legothoron1 I debated including that, but decided it was too subtle.
Another reference to Dr. Who can be found in Star Trek: Lower Decks. Often when Rutherford or some other engineer uses a tool, it makes the sound of the sonic screwdriver.
6:07 "Dr Who's phonebooth". I shall now search the comments for the "Actually..." responses from _certain_ Who fans.
More to the point, how would anyone hundreds of years hence know what a phonebooth is? Today's Gen Z would have difficulty grasping the concept.
I love how the Doctor from Voyager is just a straight homage in much of his rendering. I must jot have seen the episode where he got taken over by the master, but I’m proud to say I picked up on a lot of the other doctor who references in that show.
That episode with the Doctor's evil alter ego is season 3 episode 18 "Darkling"
Had Doctor Who run on to 1990 there was going to be an entire story based on Star Trek with several deliberate references, the Doctor would have asked for Earl Grey Tea hot at one point.
I once heard a story that when Sylvester McCoy first auditioned for the role of the Doctor, he'd mentioned it to Patrick Stewart, who laughed at him for wanting to do science fiction. Then I guess he must have reconsidered when he got asked to do a show in the U.S.
I love the Dr who x Star Trek crossover comic
There seem to be a lot more Star Trek references on Doctor Who than vice versa. Even though Doctor Who has been around a little longer.
Most of the time Star Trek was around, Doctor Who wasn't that well known in the US.
@@PenneySounds that's true.
Seems to me that Doctor Who acknowledges the existence of Star Trek.
The last one was "The Orville"
Tfw you reference a show, in which, your life is also a tv show that they reference
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I see Dr. Who referencing Star Trek directly but not the other way around.
The time travelling capsule with no obvious propulsion that's bigger on the inside is 100% supposed to be a TARDIS. There's no possible way they didn't know what they were doing there.
@@wendyheatherwood Yeah but the rest of the stuff is just a coincidence
@@wendyheatherwood They originally wanted the capsule to materialize as a police box, but the studio said no. 😪
Right, it's a total coincidence that the character called "The Doctor" turned evil and described himself as "Master". Total coincidence that he uses tools shaped like Sonic Screwdrivers. Total coincidence that a screen showed the names "William Hartnell, Patrick Troughton, Jon Pertwee", etc.
It’s one sided as Startrek is in the future so it can’t reference modern day eart stuff
There was a canon crossover. It's what gave the Cybermen assimilation tech as seen in the 11/Clara run.
Capaldi would make a great star trek captain
He actually auditioned for the role of Benjamin Sisko in the 90s
He'd be better as a guest shot Admiral.
@@PenneySoundsHow strange would it have been if Peter Capaldi was Sisko and Avery Brooks was the Doctor?
I actually own IDW's Star Trek, Doctor Who crossover, and I recall they also reference Back To The Future, too with the 'flux capacitor'.
Take care, and all the best.
If they did a cross over years ago, it would have changed the course of both franchises.
If any Doctor Who fans are interested in watching Star Trek for the first time, I have a viewing order guide and a prelude episode I made myself.
I watched all of both shows on first run :-) OK, fist UK run of Star Trek. FYI - The Gorn was a terrible start !
@@tortysoft GAAAAAAAAAWWWWW! *throws boulder*
Weirdly I've found Voyager is an excellent crossover.
Just enough timey wimey weirdness to intrigue Whovians, and just enough Trek to keep them hooked.
Voyager is weirdly also a good hopping on point for Trekkies interested in Who, as it has a non-human, technically immortal being with abilities and skills just behind a normal humans, who is also named The Doctor.
i'm interested, could you share it with me?
@@JaydenVarghese There's a playlist on my channel for Star Trek fan productions. The first video is the prelude I made. And in the playlist's description is a link to the episode guide I wrote, listing a chronological viewing order for all 5 shows and 10 films in the original franchise, as well as the fan productions in the playlist.
There is a similar viewing order list in the description of my Doctor Who Minisodes playlist.
I love how sci fi fans constantly argue over which is better while the actual shows and showrunners have an immense respect for each other
Snoopy's dog house LOL.
These are very tenuous and one is clearly a Thunderbirds reference
@@TheSirSpence As far as I can tell, Thunderbirds never used the phrase "Please state the nature of your emergency"
Pause the video at 0:49 and see the left side of the display. Check out the first names listed:
Jonathan, Marina, Denise, Brent, Levardis, then Cheryl and Wil W.
Sneaky!
The cast's names are on the original too, followed by characters from M*A*S*H. Then the Doctors, and I believe some Muppets
@@PenneySounds Easter Eggs in the truest sense, lurking for fans to find years later.
Hidden through the magic of standard definition resolution. Deleted from HD for being too obvious
I know this deals with the shows, but let’s not forget the book “The Doctor and the Enterprise”. Fourth Doctor meets Captain Kirk.
Short but oddly funny. A bit of Wizard of Oz in it too.
Huh.. the "more space in the inside" thing was also reference in star trek online... you know, in that one mission with the temporal agents department...
I remember a comic book that had a Star Trek TNG and two of the Doctor Who's cross over
Star Trek TNG also has an episode with time travelling conman Berlinghoff Rasmussen (played by Matt Frewer), who has a small time travelling ship (albeit not bigger on the inside) and is rather eccentric.
I do remember reading a story my brother bought crossing over my favorite Doctor (4th) with TOS of trek. It was a fun read.
Captain Mercer's line confirms that Doctor Who is still going strong in the 25th century. Like, yeah, I know that their database has a lot of entertainment, archived from our time that they revisit. But who knows, since it comes to his mind first, maybe the show could still be airing new episodes. I wonder if you would view them in the simulator or a screen though.
Which doctor would it be by then hmm
I need The Doctor to meet The Doctor. The sass would be off the walls and I know The Doctor would love meeting the sentiment hologram 😂
Given how Mickey is a Starfleet officer who bombs London, this is kinda awesome
That's not Star Trek
@@PenneySoundskinda is. A different timeline but still Trek
@@bemasaberwyn55 Nope, that's not how timelines work in Star Trek.
Missed a Pertwee era one; " Beam him up ? This isn't Star Trek you know"
Which episode?
Simply brilliant. I love it 💓
Doctor Who's phone booth... sSth knew exactly what he was doing there lol
"...Or Snoopy's dog house" 😆
I completely forgot about Snoopy's dog house. Considering that Peanuts predates Doctor Who by 13 years, the question needs to be asked: Is Snoopy the 0th Doctor?
That one prop that's in a bunch of films is cool to.
You mean the thing with red lights that keep going back and forth?
You can tell Seth MacFarlene has never watched Doctor Who. :P
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I like how you put the show about Sarah Jane in here since it is related to Doctor Who.
It's technically a spinoff, but so are all of the Star Trek shows except the first
@@PenneySounds Well it is a spinoff, but it is technically just another side of the show since the main characters like Sarah, Mr. Smith, K9, and the Doctor appear in both shows. I said Mr. Smith and K9 since they are technically sentient computer beings.
I just started to watch Who, and I love that they mention Star Trek, cause that's my favorite show 🤘🤘
There's been a noted similarity between the Voth and the Silurians.
After he said "fronteir" that sound was the Enterprise's warp drive powering up in the trailer for the motion picture
They could have thrown in a "Reverse the polarity of the neutron flow," from Cmdr Riker or Geordi LaForge .
Missed a couple (unless my attention span is getting worse):
* STNG "A Matter of Time" - Rassmusen was heavily inspired by The Doctor and Tom Baker was on the shortlist to play him. The ship was also bigger on the inside (a bit!).
* Capaldi's "Under the Lake", Star Trek characters in wall mural.
I never thought of Rassmusen being much like The Doctor. He has a time machine from the future, but the plot twist is he's a con artist from the past. There's a very roundabout link to Doctor Who though via the famous "Max Headroom incident".
I considered the wall mural, but that reference is far too subtle.
@@PenneySounds How about "Silurians" (Saurians) in Voyager, "Distant Origin"? When I first heard the title of the Who episode "Dinosaurs on a Spaceship" I thought it was going to be some kid of crossover!
Some similarity, but one are a reptile species that existed alongside dinosaurs and preserved themselves underground for millions of years without changing, while the other are actual descendants of Dinosaurs who went out into space and continued to evolve over millions of years.
@@PenneySounds Um, they were deliberately and purposely written as an homage to Doctor Who! The Silurians also evolved from a dinosaur ancestor obviously, or are you implying they were created by Lizard Jesus or something?! Like the Borg being directly inspired by the Cybermen, there are going to be some artistic differences, but the concept as a whole is practically identical.
I have to add - the season 1 two-part finale "Shockwave" contained a reference, not to Trek, but to Quantum Leap, when Archer found himself transported back in time to his own body in the past.
There was a really good Trek novel written a while back called "Ishmael" that crossed characters over from a late 60s TV show called "Here Come the Brides" that starred Mark Lenard. In the novel, there are multiple subtle references to Doctor Who. :-) If you can find it, it's worth a read. I think the author's name was Barbara Hambly. A fun read even if you don't recognize the crossovers, and I didn't recognize the "Brides" one at all.
I got the book about 2 years ago and thoroughly enjoyed it, having watched both 'Here Come the Brides' and 'ST'. It was a fun read. Thanks for bringing up the memory. Now to go find it again.
Yes I read the book it gave vague references to characters from several shows set in the nineteenth century and from sci fi characters.,including the Doctor in the 23rd century setting
Harlan Ellison, creative consultant for Babylon 5 (and had a Stargate character named after him), once said on UseNET that Doctor Who is the best sci-fi show in existence. Which would explain why the episode of Star Trek that he wrote is a time travel story about a space hobo and his companion.
Bridget Handley played Candy in the series Here Come the Brides. I wonder if it was her. 🤔
There's also Aldebaran brandy in the TARDIS liquor cabinet in Husbands of River Song and Twice Upon a Time.
You're right, River keeps a bottle of Aldebaran brandy in the TARDIS, while Picard gifted a bottle of Aldebaran whiskey to Guinan, which he ended up sharing with Scotty. But that one's a real tough one to call a reference, since Aldebaran AKA Alpha Tauri is a real star that exists a mere 65 light-years from here, and they were different varieties of liquor, it's hard to say if they were making a Trek reference. But it's near enough that I'd probably have included it if I'd thought of it.
Aldebaran along with Rigel is among those real world stars that got a lot of mention in classic science fiction. It's not really surprising that both would use them.
The coincidence isn't two occurrences of Aldebaran being mentioned, it's two occurrences of Aldebaran liquor being mentioned. Much harder to dismiss as unintentional.
Fun fact: there is a crossover comic series between TNG and Matt Smith’s Doctor. I have one of the comics :)
Some of these are deliberate cross-references.
But many are just derivative general sci-fi trappings.
Such as?
Watching that footage... it seems more like Dr. Who making a ton of Star Trek references than the other way around. The mention of Argolis is likely a coincidence. Same goes with Voyager's Doctor too. Why would a Medical Hologram need a name?
Bob Picardo is on the record as a Doctor Who fan. They knew what they were doing when they called him "The Doctor" and gave him a prop made out of a Sonic Screwdriver, and had his evil alter-ego call himself "Master".
In these examples it is largely SJA. The most obvious main show reference, when Rose asks for more "Spock" doesn't appear until halfway through. Also the Classic series hardly mentions Trek at all. Many of these examples are RTD era, the Trek references being a kind of shorthand for the younger generation who would possibly have seen Trek but not Classic Who.
@@PenneySounds Here's why I chalk most of the Dr. Who references in TREK to coincidence - because most of them can be explained away just as easily as something other than a Dr. Who reference. The TREK references in Dr. Who are a LOT harder to explain away as being something other than a TREK reference.
I'm reasonably sure that Voyager's EMH was called "The Doctor" or just plain "Doctor" or "Doc" because that was his function. He was an Emergency Medical Hologram (which means he does not need a name)... and as they pointed out many, many times over the 7 years Star Trek: Voyager was on television, he was never intended to be activated nearly as much as he - out of necessity - was. He follows a long, proud history of other Star Trek Doctors... like Dr. McCoy, Dr. Crusher and Dr. Bashir (for the most part). It would've been weird for the crew to call him anything except "Doctor". That Bob Picardo was a Dr. Who fan doesn't change that. He didn't create the show. It might've given him some satisfaction to be playing a character called "Doctor"... but that doesn't automatically mean the character was called that because of Dr. Who.
Maybe some of the other stuff is the result of a Dr. Who fan writing for a TREK show... but IMHO, most of it is probably not. Even the "It's bigger on the inside that the outside" line doesn't mean it's automatically an homage or was lifted from Dr. Who. In layman's terms... it was the easiest way to describe what they were seeing. If they instead had said it was "dimensionally transcendental"... then I think chances are better that someone on the writing staff is a Doctor Who fan.
And I guess that's my point in the end. The Dr. Who references in TREK - if that's indeed what they are - are vailed/questionable... where the TREK references in Dr. Who are much more direct/obvious. When Dr. Who name-drops "Spock"... I doubt most people watching think they're referring to Dr. Benjamin Spock... or some other person named Spock.
You need to watch the video again, my friend
@@PenneySounds What's watching it a third time going to show me that watching it twice hasn't already shown me?
We're both free to make up our own minds, right?
I like how the references to doctor who from star trek are very subtle but with doctor who referencing start trek, it's has zero subtlety.
That "Master" one makes you do a double take when you notice it.
Thumbnail of a million fanfics :)
I was too lazy to make an original one
You forgot ‘reverse the polarity….’
Was that used in Star Trek?
@@PenneySounds Yes.
Got a specific example?
@@PenneySounds Where No Man Has Gone Before.
Okay, I checked, and that episode doesn't contain those words.
Penney Sound • The last clip was neither Star Trek nor Doctor Who.
I don't remember that episode of 'The Orville' I thought I caught all them.
It may be The Orville, but it's definitely Star Trek.
The episode is "New Dimensions"
Holy shit, the Orville one hurt me.
There is actually a comic where the 11th doctor meets picard on the enterprise, he talks about his 4th incarnation "partying hard" with kirk
There's a lisenced graphic novel series "Assimilation^2" that is a beta cannon crossover between Dr Who and ST:TNG.
I read it.
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TNG finding any excuse to hand someone a sonic screwdriver
I'd prefer my veggies and dessert not touch thank you.
3:22 What, here in front of everyone?
Oh....SPOCK!