Here in the US you can get a Brass Ball the size of a Racket Ball that Clips on the end of your Hand Gun. Once Fired it hits with the force of a Major League Pitcher throwing a Baseball at 90 - 100 MPH (145 - 160 Kph), After the Shot the Clip part flies off and you are left with Lethal Rounds IF you Still need to shoot. You are to aim at the Stomach and NOT the Chest or Head.
Brilliant idea, a warning shot that is an actual warning to the attacker... they can't presume you're bluffing if they're crumpled in a pile on the floor lol.
Very interesting idea. With the size of those projectiles you'd probably be able to add a Pepper/Mace ball to it maybe even a short duration Taser tip for a little extra something.
I had the same thought about the pepper/mace implementation! I love your taser tip idea too. The only thing is these neat additions would possibly up the cost of these bolts by quite a bit, but heck if they work then I'd be willing to try 'em out.
@@VoidVagabond to stop an attacker there is another thing that could be added: a flashbang, not to injure but to impress the target . nocebo effect/reverse placebo effect.
Maybe even a trident or barbed frog gig tip would work, and as a bonus you could have a spool of line attached to the dart so the target can't run away without tearing the barbs out.
On the topic of rubber balls, here's a suggestion: computer mouse balls. You remember the age where a computer mouse didn't use a laser optic sensor but instead had a rolling ball that exerted force on roll sensors? They had a rubber exterior with a heavier metal core. I think they could be launched by a crossbow while the rubber might ensure that the ball doesn't penetrate the ballistic gelatin. If anything it would be a cool experiment in my opinion 😁
Fabulous! Well done, Joerg. You've clearly got the crossbow version of 'less lethal' there. I think not only is it potentially of extreme importance to give people the choice of whether or not to kill a human attacker in self defence, but there's potentially a much larger market for this crossbow. Here in Britain people seem to think of crossbows as highly deadly- and uniquely sneaky! Something to do with a lot of power and accuracy, but no noise or muzzle flash to give anyone the chance to duck! The sort of thing used against us by the French in our long, ridiculous, and woeful squabbles throughout the middle ages, and tragically in living memory by a surprising number of murderers. So a crossbow that's been built specifically around a 'less lethal' round, is going to be able to shed a lot of that stigma, and so might end up in a lot more homes- for good reasons only. Apart obviously from a very bold warning in the packaging, and perhaps also on the body and the arms of the bow, about the completely different effects of a head and a body shot, I think the only other thing worth doing, would be to substitute that 'apple corer' head on the bolts for a flat rubber head. More of the desired impact force, and less of that troublesome penetration! I would even suggest you might want to put this project at the top of your 'to do' list. Then at least you would be able to say you made the effort to give people an actual choice, and thereby mitigated the fiercesome array that has sprung from your mind! Yes, pun intended. Personally I would like very much to own one of each type of your amazing devices.
I am from UK and I think that if we were to shoot an attacker with a crossbow we would almost certainly be jailed, even if it was purely in self defense.
I'd absolutely like to see this commercially available! While I do have firearms, more and more the law is coming after the VICTIM if they defend themselves, so having a less lethal, repeating weapon would be fantastic. Love your videos, by the way!
The most sad aspect of this is that less lethal options that injure someone can wind you up in even more legal trouble than killing the person. This is why in all firearm self-defense courses the goal that is taught is to end the attacker's life only in a situation your life is at risk. Injuring the person in our current climate will often lead to them bringing you into a giant an life-destroying, expensive legal battle where you have to now prove your innocence on why you injured someone who was trying to kill you. Part in parcel of living in a society that no longer takes personal responsibility for anything and you could end up losing your house to someone who backed into your car entirely on their own while you had the right of way.
The reason the victims of crime often end up being in trouble is very simple. Their actions were considered unreasonable in the circumstances. Proportionality is important, as is responsibility for your actions. If necessary, that's what a trial by jury is for. If a jury of 12 people believe those actions were excessive for the situation described, the chances are, they were excessive.
@@titandino Responsibility works in both directions. The words "reasonable" and "proportional" are key. Even in war, there are regulations and restrictions that soldiers must follow... and if they don't, they suffer the consequences. Any case of self defence is subject to scrutiny, as it should be. Otherwise there would be far more chaos and many more casualties.
@@titandino im sorry you no longer feel comfortable dishing out a death sentence when you are mad or "feel threatened" at the guy you just cut off on the road and he says something back to your angry red faced tantrum. sucks huh?
You can get stickers that you can stick anywhere that will record the force you hit them with. Maybe you find a use for them. Nice to know what force you hit with. Maybe find a rubber insert or metal insert to fit in the end to get the stiffness of end you want. If you made these for purpose you could have a thread instead of a screw holding the rubber in. You could use this thread to mount different ends to change how hard it hits. Soft rubber to aluminum studs.
Hallo Jörg, sehr interessanter Ansatz mal wieder, bin gespannt wie das weiter gehen wird :) Ich hatte die Ehre dich mal persönlich kennen zu lernen (damals bei den Dreharbeiten zu dem Pümpel/Machete-Thema, da war ich einer der Komparsen. Ich habe mit einem Freund dann oben auf der Terrasse die Würste gegrillt während du dem Filmteam deine Werkstatt gezeigt hast :D) Das war eine der verrücktesten und lustigsten Erlebnisse in meinem Leben. Ich wusste damals noch nichts über den "Slingshot Channel" - aber inzwischen folge ich schon recht lange - ich habe auch inzwischen eine Adder bei GoGun gekauft und bin höchst zufrieden damit. Ich wollte nur nochmal sagen, ich finde es super das du dir seit damals immer noch treu bist, du bist einer der coolsten Leute die ich kenne, und ich freue mich das sich der Kanal so entwickelt hat. Mach weiter so. (and in english): Hello Joerg, a really interesting idea, I am very keen to see how this will unfold :). It was my honor to personally make your accaintance a long time ago (I was one of the extras with the plumber's helper/machete theme. After the shooting I was the one to barbecue the sausages with a friend on your patio while you were showing your workshop to the film crew). It was one of the craziest experiences of my life. At that time I did not know anything about the "Slingshot Channel", but since then I have followed it for a good while now - I also now own an adder from GoGun and I am most pleased with this product. I just wanted to say, I am very happy that you are still true to yourself, you are one of the cooles persons I know, and I am very pleased that the channel has developed so well to where it is today. Keep it up.
Ich finde, Du leistest hier wieder mal prima Pionierarbeit! Ob das Projektil einen mit Drogen aufgepumpten und wild entschlossenen Angreifer auf kurze Distanz stoppen kann, wie es eine ehrliche Ladung Schrot wohl tun würde? Aber trotzdem, ein toller Ansatz und ich hoffe, Du bringst die entsprechende Armbrust zur Serienreife! Viele herzliche Grüße 😍
Speaking as an American who has unfortunately dealt with aggressive home invaders in a way that I don't really want to elaborate on, my less lethal approach begins and ends at using FMJ instead of hollow points. FMJ goes straight through. High chance the assailant dies, unfortunately, but there is still a good chance they make it into surgery and pull through. To anyone glorifying self defense, don't. It messes you up, you live with it. It's been 20 years and I still don't sleep right. It's nothing to sneeze at.
Not entirely related, but I'd love to see you work with the Slow Mo Guys if the opportunity ever came up. Partially so we could get some really nice high-speed shots with the ballistics gel, but mostly cause I'd love to see them react to all your crazy inventions :)
About ammo weight in crossbows: If I understand correctly, for small distances in self defense situations (i.e. where accuracy does not matter and I just need to hit somewhere around the stomach) "heavier" is always better, so even if I have a 35 lbs arm, I should rather use a 15 g or 18 g bolt (designed for 90+ lbs) rather than a 10 g bolt, because (a) it'll get slightly more energy (Joules) and (b) it'll get even more much more momentum than the lighter bolt. Ex. 1: 39 m/s for a 10 g bolt yields energy = 7.60 J and momentum = 0.39 Ns. Ex. 2: 30 m/s for a 17 g bolt yields energy = 7.65 J and momentum = 0.51 Ns.
One important thing to consider in self defense is that what matters the most is not whether the attackers lives or not. What matters is how efficient the weapon is to stop him from hurting you. And blunt impact is always better for that than penetration or slicing. For example, with your hunting bolts the attacker will certainly die, but before that he can still run at you and stab you (even if you shoot the head sometimes) Meanwhile your less lethal bolts will have a lot more stopping power, stunning the attacker, breaking bones etc.
Another thing to keep in mind is that if the other person has some sort of projectile firing weapon, many times the only way to actually stop them is to end them. The blunt firing may work well in a knife to crossbow situation, but if they have something like a firearm, you will likely have to kill them before they kill you.
@@titandino I think blunt stopping power is also the better option against ranged weapons : slicing or piercing weapons will not always disturb their aim, and it still won't kill people instantly either, so they will have time to shoot.
I want to see a less than lethal attachment to your regular pistol crossbow. Like an extension in the front of the muzzle that holds one single less than lethal "slug" that attaches to the first bolt you shoot. The slug could be around 30 mm in diameter and consist of the following layers (from tip to bottom), rubber, a steel plate, dense plywood and rubber again. The purpose of the first rubber layer is to reduce the impact on the target. The purpose of the dense plywood is to try to catch the bolt without destroying it, assuming for example that it has a broadhead. The purpose of the steel plate is to prevent penetration in case the plywood fails to do its job. The purpose of the last layer of rubber is to support the shaft of the bolt once embedded into the slug.
Joerg, This is brilliant! Well done as always. I'm a strong believer in the "continuum of force" which means that I believe it's important to be able to escalate if necessary. I typically carry pepper spray and a Taserr ML-18 in addition to a firearm because it gives me a variety of ways to respond to a self defense situation. That said, is it possible to make a crossbow that will shoot both these bolts and broadheads? Ideally the less lethal bolt would be first. No one is going to continue an attack with a shattered kneecap, and if they do, well, there's always the next more lethal round. I love your channel Joerg, I've been watching since the beginning and you never fail to come up with workable...and very entertaining....solutions to real world situations. Thank you!
The problem with the 'only escalate as much as you need' theory is people simply do not carry an arsenal of various lethality level weapons with them wherever they go. So if you say - if someone attacks with thier fists you can use a base ball bat, if they attack with a bat you can use a knife, if they bring a knife you can bring a crossbow, if they bring a crossbow you can bring a pistol. That means, if you want to pop out to the shop for a can of red bull, you have to carry a base ball bat, a knife, a crossbow, AND a pistol. You would definatly look suspicious tooled up like that! What do you do in this case if all you have is a gun, and someone breaks into your house with a base ball bat? Either you put down the gun as it is too much force, and you get beaten to a pulp by a bat and lose not only all your money but your skull is shattered too, or use the gun in which case 'you used excessive force'?
I 100% agree. I carry a glock 19 and I am a fully trained marine core veteran. So when I say this. It is from experience and hands on experience. If you have a reason to draw your weapon. You are going to fire. You do NOT draw your weapon if you do not have a need to fire. If (and I pay to GOD that none of you are EVER in this situation) you are put in a situation where you have to fire your weapon. Empty it. Center mass. Do not stop squeezing that trigger until you hear that click. For two reasons. One. Nothing deserves to suffer. If you have to defend yourself by taking a life. Make it quick out of respect for the one you are defending yourself from. And two. Because you do not want to give your attacker any chance of getting back up and harming you or someone you care about. Be safe out there.
That's got "UK Marketing" written all over it. Absolutely love it. Looks like you could have a bit of fun with it down your local archery range without upsetting the natives, too.
Would a flat tip not be better? I believe that your current tip would do to much damage. Where as a flat tip would punch alot more, instead of "cutting" the target (/ripping it apart).
These would make good plinking/training bolts as well; they're easier to find in tall grass and if you live in a more populated area it will be significantly less bad if they hit something.
Ein gemeinsames Video mit Kentucky ballistics wäre auch cool. Der Vergleich zwischen den repetier armbrüsten oder auch dem scubaringer an den "Zombie Torsos" wäre sicherlich spannend
I was one of those asking for this topic! Read almost all 360 comments on that since I am German myself. Very interresting the force cracked the coconut! I think many ppl see "self defense" here in Germany as a kind of protection against someone who enters your home and maybe not neccessary having a firearm. As someone below in the comments wrote "a kind of "rotating" magazine" to chose the "right" arrow (leathal/nonlethal) depending on the situation you are in would be a good idea for this kind of self defense. So you can maybe fire 3 non lethal arrows and if this wont stop someone you could go over to completely filled pepper bolts... making a huge cloud from 10 pepper balls filled into an arrow... and bursting on impact like a "filled drinking straw" ...could be even a pepper liquid... or aerosol. The opportunity to change the arrow "quickly" in any situation is the key! If you have a magazine that only allows a lethal arrow for the next shot this is probably not the best option. Maybe one would have to have 2 different magazines that can be instantly changed by "one fingertip" ...like bullets in a revolver (!) The idea this person in the comments had is really fascinating! The "non lethal" REVOLVER crossbow" with variable 8 arrow magazine! :D (!) That would be "krass" ....like we say in Germany! Now its Jörgs turn.... :D
I'd love to see a commercial version. I like the idea of being able to defend oneself without the possibility of some kind of legal action against you.
I always think of that scene from Jackass where Johnny Noxvile gets hit with the bean bag from a shotgun. The bruise he got from that looked awful, but he's still alive. Thanks for the great vids.
Interesting experiment, successful I would judge. Sure wouldn't want to be hit by one, although I would choose that over the broadhead if I was to be on the receiving end!
if he loaded the end with a paint ball or something that leaves a mark, it would be better to use on an intruder, because it could be used to identify them.
@@alanmalcheski8882 Good idea, could be a dye detectable by UV light. Also could have a capsule with either a strong stench or an irritating pepper spray or some such.
Servus Jörg. Less lethal ist auch zum Training und um mal locker bisschen Spaß zu haben. Ohne gleich total aufpassen zu müssen wenn mal ein Schuss daneben geht…Ich übe nach der Arbeit einfach locker mit rubber Balls oder mit dem Luftgewehr . Liebe Grüße
Ich würde mir das Teil sofort kaufen, warte schon lange darauf! Viel Spaß beim entwickeln 😉 bin auf die weiteren Fortschritte gespannt und hoffe auf kommerzielle Umsetzung.
Hey Jörg, I have some blunt cylindrical training tips that came with my siege crossbow, the fenris, or some other that I bought from you, I don't remember which one it was 😂 Anyway, I have been wondering if they might be good for a less lethal warning shot, compared to the pointy ones? I figured that while they would still do a lot of damage, because of the small contact area, it should still be a lot *less* lethal than actual hunting or war bolts. Maybe you should test them too? What do you think?
@@riffhurricane With a crossbow? They don't even make a loud bang, it would just be wasting an arrow 😅 For a warning that isn't aimed to hit, I would rather shoot one at a garden chair or something for dramatic effect 😄 Also by "warning shot" I meant having one blunt tip loaded that theoretically wouldn't kill, and the rest being hunting or bodkin tips. Depending on how effective the blunt ones are, even the whole magazine loaded with them.
@@my_channel_44 @My Channel Are you sure about that? These are the tips I am talking about: "practice blunt tips for siege 10 pack" -can't post the link, just google them, they are from gogun. They are literally flat. And yeah the Siege is a different caliber, but maybe from a Stinger with the standard 55 pound limb? And to clarify, I am not about to shoot these at anyone for fun, thinking they won't hurt them. Still talking about emergency self defense. I still think these would at least be LESS lethal than for example a hunting tip. Probably causing hemorrhages, fracturing bone (depending on where they hit), etc. But not deep penetration.
@@derkevevin I'd put all warning shots into the wasted arrow/bolt catagory. Warning shots aren't a good legal defence anywhere I know of & from a moral point of view the only time anyone shoots anything at anyone it should be a life or death situation so they should really mean it. Even with a blunted tip that bolt or arrow is absolutely lethal & I sure the law would consider it likewise.
Joerg, as always your view is well rounded and thorough. I think you cannot overstate that any time someone choses to use a weapon against another person that they require the mastery of two things; the weapon and mastery of themselves in an uncontrolled, chaotic environment. Not nearly as easy as "Call of Duty" or GTAs I through 6. Almost no police departments train to that level locally, and the toll of civilians shot dead with little reason is no surprise. Not all Federals do either- the weapon is useless, worse, you could lose control of it and have it used on yourself, unless you have a better handle on the chaos than your attacker. Only lottery winning luck will save you without; you may even shoot the attacker and then wind up charged with a crime- more common than you think. BTW, my idea of competent to bear arms against a human attacker would require ability to hit within the kill zone 90+ times out of 100, no shots into a near described "hot zone" out to about 7 meters, the standard pistol combat range; doing that requires shooting scenario training, with things like instructors yelling contradictory information from each side, poor lighting, changeable lighting and a target environment with "absolutely no go zones and hostages". When you can do that, 9 times in ten, you might be able to shoot with the FBI's Hostage rescue team- that is how they practice. If you don't want to go there, then don't feel bad when I don't want you in my children's school with a gun- ever. Nor will I be party to having teachers who cannot shoot to that level armed and prepared to shoot over my children's heads- that isn't happening. Good guys with guns are great- IF they have great shooting skills, otherwise they just run up the body count. BTW, I haven't kept my practice up for many years- and I no longer carry any firearms in public, and haven't hunted in a decade- so I am not claiming I can shoot to that level today. All the US "2A" people need to get a grip before they kill their own grandmothers or worse. Remember that "well regulated" phrase; one thing it surely does refer to are well trained and qualified shooters- owning a gun does not, in itself grant any skill or talent and only practice, regular, boring, expensive practice, will take a bit of talent and make it a "competent shooter". The FBI agent a few years back, who let his duty firearm slip out of his holster and fall to the floor while he was dancing at a wedding was incompetent- the FBI thought so too. And that is what I am talking about- simple competence to avoid the needless loss of life incompetence will guarantee. Thanks for the "use of your megaphone" Joerg!
A less-than-lethal cross bow with 4 of these rounds would be really bulky. It just doesn't seem practical at all when you consider there are pepper ball shooters the size of a handgun. I think this would be more interesting as a large bore lethal projectile. Could be used for big game perhaps.
Makes me wonder if since the pattern on the end of the bolt is essentially a circle, would it be prudent to fill it with a more malleable / softer material to see if it helps expand or absorb that energy that causes the wound on the other test? Maybe even just cover the screw used to hold it in?
My compound crossbow is for hunting only. For non lethal self defense, I would just carry a mace. But since I'm better safe than sorry, I carry my 9mm pistol just incase I do need to be lethal. Luckily Florida is a stand your ground state, so if I am truly in danger and have to use lethal force, I won't be charged with any felonies. So for me a non lethal crossbow wouldn't be very practical due to it's size and loading mechanism. Still cool design. 👍
Nice vid, i see great potential here. I use a bow with a fishing rod reel to get my drones out of a tree. I would and could use your design here to get my bow more multi purpose.
Blunt bolts and 12 gauge rubber ammunition (heavy rubber slugs with muzzle energy at least a hundred joules) might be good for home defense, since pepper and CS launching devices aren't good for confined spaces. And if you can't use gases, the most suitable non-lethal weapon, you will have to use your hands, different melee weapons, sharp bolts or firearms. Tasers (conducted energy weapons) are good for law enforcement agencies but not so for personal defense, since incapacitated enemy will be ready to continue an attack immediately after the taser stops cycling. It's always good to have some additional options and not being limited to only lethal ones or your bare hands. And it's also will be good to have lethal 20 mm sharp bolts, so you can load into the mag a couple of non-lethal ones and a number of sharp ones just in case.
I would suggest - just make the bolts shorter, keeping the same weight. They are for home defence anyway, which means close range. And with the shorter bolts it could possibly be adopted by the under load crossbow from your previous video. These bolts remind me about those nerf toys. LOL
i'm always amazed at how good of an english you have! I've worked for a decade with german people and it was very hard, many times anyways, to break the language barrier - me being French doesnt help either i guess. You are very talent3d and i love your products! Whish i could 1- Afford them 2- Get them in Canada
I wouldn't agree with "shoting at a person must be potentially lethal" because even i know beanbag ammunition can fail in its efficacy it should be the prefered method. The problem is there is no completely sufficent legal weapon in germany to combine beanbag ammunition with high cadence and a really great magazine that is needed to remain to be effective even with partially ineffective hits and to be able to keep the defense effective over a longer time and against several opponents. Closest to this for me is a painball gun (.68cal at 7,5J) shoting rubber balls.
If I had to confront deadly force against my person, I would not choose less than lethal means. My intent is to STOP the attack; not to kill them but the force must be decisive. I intend to survive the unlawful attack and live. Fortunately my country has made the means to my effective self defense available to me. Best wishes to everyone. 👍🇺🇸😁 Edit: my first line of defense against a common assault is pepper spray which is very effective if properly used. I am an old man and was mugged in 2018 resulting in an ambulance ride to the hospital for stitches. Never again.
Police are trained to aim at the belly with less lethal ammo. It's usually to disable a drunk aggressor.simlar to punching them in the face. Paul Harrell did tests on his meat target with rubber batons and rubber buckshot. The rubber baton caused some damage and that guy would be in the hospital.
Awesome! Look forward to Phase 2. I would prefer to NOT to kill anyone, but rather be able to stop the intruder(s) in such a way that law enforcement can take care of the rest.
If I wanted less-lethal, I'd probably just cut pieces off a broomstick handle and load up some 12 ga. with those. It's basically the same diameter, it's light, so it loses energy fast, but it's still not fun getting hit by one.
Maybe add a plunger tip and some irritant dispersion since the bolt is hollow. A pepper powder in a capsule that is burst upon impact. Then if the bolt isn't enough the powder will drive them off.
The advantage of "pepper arrows" was its "big load of pepper" ! ...one could load an entire arrow with it.... bursting on impact like a "filled drinking straw" making a huge cloud (!) :D
@@xenoids It'd be quite tricky to design one that wont explode in the bow though :p without being a liquid tear/pepper stuff just isnt that great at stopping anything.
Maybe consider a rubber plug inside the foot moulding used as a head? With the ring making contact, the local pressure load will be higher than the comparable slug
Seems a fair chance to knock the wind out of an 'unruly person' as well. I was thinking along Green Arrow (classic) lines of something on the end of a normal but longer bolt. Like a CO2 cartridge with the end drilled out.
It would be interesting to invent a crossbow with two feed systems. From the top, you have less lethal, thick aluminium bolts, and from below you have a magazine feed system with lethal hunting bolts. And to make it practical, you can switch from one feed system to the other in a second, depending on the situation you are in.
Could that less lethal bolt be a bolt head only so that it would fit into older crossbow models? It would be smaller in diameter of course but wide as broadheads, with blunt rectangular rubber tip, maybe steel core for proper weight.
I live in Bulgaria where the law states that it’s illegal to defend yourself or your properties with lethal force so this will is useful in countries like this
I think the rubber tip lets gelatine hit the screw causing that small cut. Probably did no good to the coconut either if the cup deformed to let it contact? Definitely deter a burglar though, half way down the street too.
Since NO form of crossbow is legal in Denmark, I just watch these videos with interest - not considering, which type of bow/ammo, I would prefer for home protection.
If somebody wants to do great harm to you, then why would you be worried about doing them great harm to stop them? People are so stupid that they would rather die by somebody’s hands rather than use a deadly device against them.
Many countries have laws that only allow self defence at the same "level" of the attacker. So if an attacker comes at you with a knife you are only allowed to defend yourself with a knife or other melee, or possibly "less lethal" weapons. If you for example pull a gun or a knife against a person that is not using the same or greater you are the one that goes in jail (and also lose the permit to own guns if applicable)
Thats just a extrem Situation you are describiing. Most people will never expericne any situation like this. Say someone is drunk and steps on your ground and you say ok now you die? Or make it more extrem a child is stupid and breaks in...leathel force? If someone wants to kill and even tells you this, nobody will judge you if you kill this person. You are just talking bullshit.
@@BlaBla-lz4pv How are you supposed to know it's just a drunk or a kid? Also why would anybody that wants to kill you clearly announce themselves and state their intention? You have no idea of how this works
@@marcogenovesi8570 And you know people that just wanting to kill you? As i said if they come straight at you you can stop them but if they run away i hope you dont shot them in the back. Because in most cases if you shout at them first they freeze or are shocked and you know that the situation is now safer. But if you shoot first you escalate the situation to the maximum. And you would kill a person for a stupid mistake. With your logic you could kill everybode that step on your property because you dont know whats the intention. Is it the postman...mhh maybe no i feel threatened i kill him.
Joerg, with the dia. of the bolt you could the develop a fishing bolt with a detachable head and internal recovery line so the target can be pulled in.😁
I have a 300gr Tungsten cube (1 cubic inch). When I get attackted, I can throw it at the face of my attacker at full force. This thing will break facial bones - the mass/volume ratio is insane.
HI Jorge. what about creating some softer silicone tips, rather than the stiff rubber, i think the friction on impact, would be less, and perhaps less likely to tear the safety T-Shirt, and less likely to embed fibres in the would be assailant.
I think this is a good compromise for special situations, for example: you got a burglar on your property and want to make sure to arrest him for the police. With this solution, you have something to threaten him, that you also really can use against him, without getting into trouble, if the person should decide to attack you. By killing such a burglar with a lethal bolt, would get you into a lot of trouble, that's for sure. So yes, I think a less lethal crossbow weapon makes sense in many cases.
Combine the less-than-lethal bolt with a rechargeable, reusable shock device similar to a taser. That would be interesting to see developed. (If it doesn't exist already).
They used to use small battery powered tasers inside of shotgun shells, which would provide intermittent zaps for 30 seconds, it was meant to be a longer ranger means of dealing with people who were doing things like swinging a bat ar or were drunken and wild., I think it's been discontiuned because of the price.
they say the pen is mightier than the sword, so I've always said that someone should make a gun that shoots pens. That's the ultimate. And now there are tasers that look like pens. So, you'd still want it to be a real pen but if you could make a pen that is also a taser, then you'd be in business. Super ultimate.
is it really so weird for a person to not want to kill another person, even in self defense? idk, I agree with you for the most part, but also think it's weird to dismiss others who disagree with us. "I'd rather not risk killing someone" seems like a perfectly reasonable stance to take. idk maybe I'm crazy for thinking these people are reasonable. edit: love the content as always I just meant to say the dismissive way you speak of non-lethal rounds seems unfair. "why bother" because lives are important and can be saved. "killing could save lives tho"...
The contact would be miliseconds long, and tasers need to stay on the skin for a second of two to really shock properly. I don't know if a few miliseconds would have any effect at all, so it'd probably not justify the complexity it'd require.
Did you see the collaboration between Kentucky Ballistics and The Slow Mo guys? I'd love to see what happens with a crossbow prod and arrow at trigger release. How much does the bolt flex, and what exactly goes on with the prod arms? Ta JS.
You know it's serious when Joerg breaks out the armoured safety t-shirt!
Here in the US you can get a Brass Ball the size of a Racket Ball that Clips on the end of your Hand Gun. Once Fired it hits with the force of a Major League Pitcher throwing a Baseball at 90 - 100 MPH (145 - 160 Kph), After the Shot the Clip part flies off and you are left with Lethal Rounds IF you Still need to shoot. You are to aim at the Stomach and NOT the Chest or Head.
What are they called?
A clever design those, reminds me of the ww2 rifle muzzle grenades.
I'd rather just use a can cannon than a pistol thing.
Brilliant idea, a warning shot that is an actual warning to the attacker... they can't presume you're bluffing if they're crumpled in a pile on the floor lol.
Very interesting idea. With the size of those projectiles you'd probably be able to add a Pepper/Mace ball to it maybe even a short duration Taser tip for a little extra something.
as there are shotgun rounds with a taser i think a taser bolt should absolutely be possible.
I had the same thought about the pepper/mace implementation! I love your taser tip idea too.
The only thing is these neat additions would possibly up the cost of these bolts by quite a bit, but heck if they work then I'd be willing to try 'em out.
@@VoidVagabond to stop an attacker there is another thing that could be added:
a flashbang, not to injure but to impress the target . nocebo effect/reverse placebo effect.
Maybe even a trident or barbed frog gig tip would work, and as a bonus you could have a spool of line attached to the dart so the target can't run away without tearing the barbs out.
Nuklear Head would be something. 😅
On the topic of rubber balls, here's a suggestion: computer mouse balls.
You remember the age where a computer mouse didn't use a laser optic sensor but instead had a rolling ball that exerted force on roll sensors? They had a rubber exterior with a heavier metal core.
I think they could be launched by a crossbow while the rubber might ensure that the ball doesn't penetrate the ballistic gelatin.
If anything it would be a cool experiment in my opinion 😁
Great idea!
that's been done, law enforcement uses them, they're called breaker balls, for breaking windows. But it uses a ceramic or glass core, not metal.
and he has launched round balls from a crossbow already, it's a special kind called a ballista.
Okay. Easy now, Satan.
Wouldn't a slingshot be better suited for that job than a crossbow?
Fabulous! Well done, Joerg. You've clearly got the crossbow version of 'less lethal' there.
I think not only is it potentially of extreme importance to give people the choice of whether or not to kill a human attacker in self defence, but there's potentially a much larger market for this crossbow.
Here in Britain people seem to think of crossbows as highly deadly- and uniquely sneaky! Something to do with a lot of power and accuracy, but no noise or muzzle flash to give anyone the chance to duck! The sort of thing used against us by the French in our long, ridiculous, and woeful squabbles throughout the middle ages, and tragically in living memory by a surprising number of murderers.
So a crossbow that's been built specifically around a 'less lethal' round, is going to be able to shed a lot of that stigma, and so might end up in a lot more homes- for good reasons only.
Apart obviously from a very bold warning in the packaging, and perhaps also on the body and the arms of the bow, about the completely different effects of a head and a body shot, I think the only other thing worth doing, would be to substitute that 'apple corer' head on the bolts for a flat rubber head. More of the desired impact force, and less of that troublesome penetration!
I would even suggest you might want to put this project at the top of your 'to do' list. Then at least you would be able to say you made the effort to give people an actual choice, and thereby mitigated the fiercesome array that has sprung from your mind! Yes, pun intended.
Personally I would like very much to own one of each type of your amazing devices.
I am from UK and I think that if we were to shoot an attacker with a crossbow we would almost certainly be jailed, even if it was purely in self defense.
If you're in the UK, you spell it defence. So there😜
@@thisisnumber0 we don't really care pal. I agree it's a mess here
@@thisisnumber0 I stand corrected, but I think you get what I'm trying to say.
It's bad in Australia too, disgusting when you're barely even allowed to protect your own life...
In a situation like that what you do and say to the authorities after the event has more bearing than the circumstances of the incident sadly.
I'd absolutely like to see this commercially available! While I do have firearms, more and more the law is coming after the VICTIM if they defend themselves, so having a less lethal, repeating weapon would be fantastic. Love your videos, by the way!
The most sad aspect of this is that less lethal options that injure someone can wind you up in even more legal trouble than killing the person. This is why in all firearm self-defense courses the goal that is taught is to end the attacker's life only in a situation your life is at risk. Injuring the person in our current climate will often lead to them bringing you into a giant an life-destroying, expensive legal battle where you have to now prove your innocence on why you injured someone who was trying to kill you. Part in parcel of living in a society that no longer takes personal responsibility for anything and you could end up losing your house to someone who backed into your car entirely on their own while you had the right of way.
The reason the victims of crime often end up being in trouble is very simple. Their actions were considered unreasonable in the circumstances. Proportionality is important, as is responsibility for your actions. If necessary, that's what a trial by jury is for. If a jury of 12 people believe those actions were excessive for the situation described, the chances are, they were excessive.
@@titandino Responsibility works in both directions. The words "reasonable" and "proportional" are key. Even in war, there are regulations and restrictions that soldiers must follow... and if they don't, they suffer the consequences. Any case of self defence is subject to scrutiny, as it should be. Otherwise there would be far more chaos and many more casualties.
@@titandino im sorry you no longer feel comfortable dishing out a death sentence when you are mad or "feel threatened" at the guy you just cut off on the road and he says something back to your angry red faced tantrum.
sucks huh?
Yeah in my conceled carry class that's what is taught. Only if your life is in danger you end the threat permanently.
Joerg another amazing solution. I will be waiting anxiously to see a magazine of these in a repeating crossbow! I would definitely buy one.
You can get stickers that you can stick anywhere that will record the force you hit them with. Maybe you find a use for them. Nice to know what force you hit with.
Maybe find a rubber insert or metal insert to fit in the end to get the stiffness of end you want. If you made these for purpose you could have a thread instead of a screw holding the rubber in. You could use this thread to mount different ends to change how hard it hits. Soft rubber to aluminum studs.
Hallo Jörg, sehr interessanter Ansatz mal wieder, bin gespannt wie das weiter gehen wird :)
Ich hatte die Ehre dich mal persönlich kennen zu lernen (damals bei den Dreharbeiten zu dem Pümpel/Machete-Thema, da war ich einer der Komparsen. Ich habe mit einem Freund dann oben auf der Terrasse die Würste gegrillt während du dem Filmteam deine Werkstatt gezeigt hast :D)
Das war eine der verrücktesten und lustigsten Erlebnisse in meinem Leben.
Ich wusste damals noch nichts über den "Slingshot Channel" - aber inzwischen folge ich schon recht lange - ich habe auch inzwischen eine Adder bei GoGun gekauft und bin höchst zufrieden damit.
Ich wollte nur nochmal sagen, ich finde es super das du dir seit damals immer noch treu bist, du bist einer der coolsten Leute die ich kenne, und ich freue mich das sich der Kanal so entwickelt hat. Mach weiter so.
(and in english):
Hello Joerg, a really interesting idea, I am very keen to see how this will unfold :).
It was my honor to personally make your accaintance a long time ago (I was one of the extras with the plumber's helper/machete theme. After the shooting I was the one to barbecue the sausages with a friend on your patio while you were showing your workshop to the film crew). It was one of the craziest experiences of my life.
At that time I did not know anything about the "Slingshot Channel", but since then I have followed it for a good while now - I also now own an adder from GoGun and I am most pleased with this product.
I just wanted to say, I am very happy that you are still true to yourself, you are one of the cooles persons I know, and I am very pleased that the channel has developed so well to where it is today.
Keep it up.
Bean bag bolts? Thise things look like great, big Nerfgun projectiles.
Ich finde, Du leistest hier wieder mal prima Pionierarbeit! Ob das Projektil einen mit Drogen aufgepumpten und wild entschlossenen Angreifer auf kurze Distanz stoppen kann, wie es eine ehrliche Ladung Schrot wohl tun würde? Aber trotzdem, ein toller Ansatz und ich hoffe, Du bringst die entsprechende Armbrust zur Serienreife! Viele herzliche Grüße 😍
Speaking as an American who has unfortunately dealt with aggressive home invaders in a way that I don't really want to elaborate on, my less lethal approach begins and ends at using FMJ instead of hollow points. FMJ goes straight through. High chance the assailant dies, unfortunately, but there is still a good chance they make it into surgery and pull through. To anyone glorifying self defense, don't. It messes you up, you live with it. It's been 20 years and I still don't sleep right. It's nothing to sneeze at.
Your creattivity never seizes to amaze me 👍🏻💯
Not entirely related, but I'd love to see you work with the Slow Mo Guys if the opportunity ever came up. Partially so we could get some really nice high-speed shots with the ballistics gel, but mostly cause I'd love to see them react to all your crazy inventions :)
Agreed
I see someone's seen their collab with Kentucky Ballistics as well.
About ammo weight in crossbows: If I understand correctly, for small distances in self defense situations (i.e. where accuracy does not matter and I just need to hit somewhere around the stomach) "heavier" is always better, so even if I have a 35 lbs arm, I should rather use a 15 g or 18 g bolt (designed for 90+ lbs) rather than a 10 g bolt, because (a) it'll get slightly more energy (Joules) and (b) it'll get even more much more momentum than the lighter bolt.
Ex. 1: 39 m/s for a 10 g bolt yields
energy = 7.60 J and momentum = 0.39 Ns.
Ex. 2: 30 m/s for a 17 g bolt yields
energy = 7.65 J and momentum = 0.51 Ns.
One important thing to consider in self defense is that what matters the most is not whether the attackers lives or not.
What matters is how efficient the weapon is to stop him from hurting you.
And blunt impact is always better for that than penetration or slicing.
For example, with your hunting bolts the attacker will certainly die, but before that he can still run at you and stab you (even if you shoot the head sometimes)
Meanwhile your less lethal bolts will have a lot more stopping power, stunning the attacker, breaking bones etc.
Another thing to keep in mind is that if the other person has some sort of projectile firing weapon, many times the only way to actually stop them is to end them. The blunt firing may work well in a knife to crossbow situation, but if they have something like a firearm, you will likely have to kill them before they kill you.
@@titandino I think blunt stopping power is also the better option against ranged weapons : slicing or piercing weapons will not always disturb their aim, and it still won't kill people instantly either, so they will have time to shoot.
I want to see a less than lethal attachment to your regular pistol crossbow. Like an extension in the front of the muzzle that holds one single less than lethal "slug" that attaches to the first bolt you shoot. The slug could be around 30 mm in diameter and consist of the following layers (from tip to bottom), rubber, a steel plate, dense plywood and rubber again. The purpose of the first rubber layer is to reduce the impact on the target. The purpose of the dense plywood is to try to catch the bolt without destroying it, assuming for example that it has a broadhead. The purpose of the steel plate is to prevent penetration in case the plywood fails to do its job. The purpose of the last layer of rubber is to support the shaft of the bolt once embedded into the slug.
Joerg, This is brilliant! Well done as always. I'm a strong believer in the "continuum of force" which means that I believe it's important to be able to escalate if necessary. I typically carry pepper spray and a Taserr ML-18 in addition to a firearm because it gives me a variety of ways to respond to a self defense situation. That said, is it possible to make a crossbow that will shoot both these bolts and broadheads? Ideally the less lethal bolt would be first. No one is going to continue an attack with a shattered kneecap, and if they do, well, there's always the next more lethal round. I love your channel Joerg, I've been watching since the beginning and you never fail to come up with workable...and very entertaining....solutions to real world situations. Thank you!
The problem with the 'only escalate as much as you need' theory is people simply do not carry an arsenal of various lethality level weapons with them wherever they go. So if you say - if someone attacks with thier fists you can use a base ball bat, if they attack with a bat you can use a knife, if they bring a knife you can bring a crossbow, if they bring a crossbow you can bring a pistol. That means, if you want to pop out to the shop for a can of red bull, you have to carry a base ball bat, a knife, a crossbow, AND a pistol. You would definatly look suspicious tooled up like that!
What do you do in this case if all you have is a gun, and someone breaks into your house with a base ball bat? Either you put down the gun as it is too much force, and you get beaten to a pulp by a bat and lose not only all your money but your skull is shattered too, or use the gun in which case 'you used excessive force'?
I 100% agree. I carry a glock 19 and I am a fully trained marine core veteran. So when I say this. It is from experience and hands on experience. If you have a reason to draw your weapon. You are going to fire. You do NOT draw your weapon if you do not have a need to fire. If (and I pay to GOD that none of you are EVER in this situation) you are put in a situation where you have to fire your weapon. Empty it. Center mass. Do not stop squeezing that trigger until you hear that click. For two reasons. One. Nothing deserves to suffer. If you have to defend yourself by taking a life. Make it quick out of respect for the one you are defending yourself from. And two. Because you do not want to give your attacker any chance of getting back up and harming you or someone you care about. Be safe out there.
You are "The Man".Love your ideas and delivery of content. I will keep visiting your channel.Thanks from Washington state.
That's got "UK Marketing" written all over it. Absolutely love it. Looks like you could have a bit of fun with it down your local archery range without upsetting the natives, too.
Would a flat tip not be better? I believe that your current tip would do to much damage.
Where as a flat tip would punch alot more, instead of "cutting" the target (/ripping it apart).
Usually cops in America only bring out a less lethal weapon if they have someone covering them with a proper firearm.
These would make good plinking/training bolts as well; they're easier to find in tall grass and if you live in a more populated area it will be significantly less bad if they hit something.
Ein gemeinsames Video mit Kentucky ballistics wäre auch cool. Der Vergleich zwischen den repetier armbrüsten oder auch dem scubaringer an den "Zombie Torsos" wäre sicherlich spannend
Nice concept! Maybe glue a riot ball(steel core) for sum more punch or paint ball on the end for a fun marker?
Immer wenn er das Sicherheits T-Shirt trägt wird es ernst ! 😂
You always deliver amazing designs and put forth a wonderful effort.
I was one of those asking for this topic! Read almost all 360 comments on that since I am German myself. Very interresting the force cracked the coconut! I think many ppl see "self defense" here in Germany as a kind of protection against someone who enters your home and maybe not neccessary having a firearm. As someone below in the comments wrote "a kind of "rotating" magazine" to chose the "right" arrow (leathal/nonlethal) depending on the situation you are in would be a good idea for this kind of self defense. So you can maybe fire 3 non lethal arrows and if this wont stop someone you could go over to completely filled pepper bolts... making a huge cloud from 10 pepper balls filled into an arrow... and bursting on impact like a "filled drinking straw" ...could be even a pepper liquid... or aerosol. The opportunity to change the arrow "quickly" in any situation is the key! If you have a magazine that only allows a lethal arrow for the next shot this is probably not the best option. Maybe one would have to have 2 different magazines that can be instantly changed by "one fingertip" ...like bullets in a revolver (!)
The idea this person in the comments had is really fascinating! The "non lethal" REVOLVER crossbow" with variable 8 arrow magazine! :D (!) That would be "krass" ....like we say in Germany!
Now its Jörgs turn.... :D
I would like to see these crossbow bolts adapted to the Airringer or an entirely new single-shot air pistol.
I'd love to see a commercial version. I like the idea of being able to defend oneself without the possibility of some kind of legal action against you.
I always think of that scene from Jackass where Johnny Noxvile gets hit with the bean bag from a shotgun. The bruise he got from that looked awful, but he's still alive. Thanks for the great vids.
Interesting experiment, successful I would judge. Sure wouldn't want to be hit by one, although I would choose that over the broadhead if I was to be on the receiving end!
if he loaded the end with a paint ball or something that leaves a mark, it would be better to use on an intruder, because it could be used to identify them.
@@alanmalcheski8882 Good idea, could be a dye detectable by UV light. Also could have a capsule with either a strong stench or an irritating pepper spray or some such.
Servus Jörg. Less lethal ist auch zum Training und um mal locker bisschen Spaß zu haben. Ohne gleich total aufpassen zu müssen wenn mal ein Schuss daneben geht…Ich übe nach der Arbeit einfach locker mit rubber Balls oder mit dem Luftgewehr . Liebe Grüße
Ich würde mir das Teil sofort kaufen, warte schon lange darauf! Viel Spaß beim entwickeln 😉 bin auf die weiteren Fortschritte gespannt und hoffe auf kommerzielle Umsetzung.
Using this for reference for a fantasy book that I'm writing. Thank you for the video.
Just started watching Kentucky Ballistics these last few weeks and now he gets a call out here 👍🏻 that guy is superhuman 🤟🏻
Eeh shit I forgot about them
Did you see his accident?
that guy is some random that does videos on youtube? go get a life son
Hey Jörg, I have some blunt cylindrical training tips that came with my siege crossbow, the fenris, or some other that I bought from you, I don't remember which one it was 😂
Anyway, I have been wondering if they might be good for a less lethal warning shot, compared to the pointy ones? I figured that while they would still do a lot of damage, because of the small contact area, it should still be a lot *less* lethal than actual hunting or war bolts. Maybe you should test them too? What do you think?
totally different energy load and footprint. You would kill someone with that.
The only way you should fire a warning shot with that is straight up into the air. Absolutely a lethal round.
@@riffhurricane With a crossbow? They don't even make a loud bang, it would just be wasting an arrow 😅 For a warning that isn't aimed to hit, I would rather shoot one at a garden chair or something for dramatic effect 😄
Also by "warning shot" I meant having one blunt tip loaded that theoretically wouldn't kill, and the rest being hunting or bodkin tips. Depending on how effective the blunt ones are, even the whole magazine loaded with them.
@@my_channel_44 @My Channel Are you sure about that? These are the tips I am talking about:
"practice blunt tips for siege 10 pack" -can't post the link, just google them, they are from gogun.
They are literally flat. And yeah the Siege is a different caliber, but maybe from a Stinger with the standard 55 pound limb?
And to clarify, I am not about to shoot these at anyone for fun, thinking they won't hurt them. Still talking about emergency self defense.
I still think these would at least be LESS lethal than for example a hunting tip. Probably causing hemorrhages, fracturing bone (depending on where they hit), etc. But not deep penetration.
@@derkevevin I'd put all warning shots into the wasted arrow/bolt catagory. Warning shots aren't a good legal defence anywhere I know of & from a moral point of view the only time anyone shoots anything at anyone it should be a life or death situation so they should really mean it.
Even with a blunted tip that bolt or arrow is absolutely lethal & I sure the law would consider it likewise.
The craftsmanship always gets me
These crossbow arrow are amazing and need to be commercialize... Hope you can make a chili powder crossbow arrow also as a less lethal weapon
Love ur channel been a fan since u made the automatic pencil shooter
Joerg, as always your view is well rounded and thorough. I think you cannot overstate that any time someone choses to use a weapon against another person that they require the mastery of two things; the weapon and mastery of themselves in an uncontrolled, chaotic environment. Not nearly as easy as "Call of Duty" or GTAs I through 6. Almost no police departments train to that level locally, and the toll of civilians shot dead with little reason is no surprise. Not all Federals do either- the weapon is useless, worse, you could lose control of it and have it used on yourself, unless you have a better handle on the chaos than your attacker. Only lottery winning luck will save you without; you may even shoot the attacker and then wind up charged with a crime- more common than you think. BTW, my idea of competent to bear arms against a human attacker would require ability to hit within the kill zone 90+ times out of 100, no shots into a near described "hot zone" out to about 7 meters, the standard pistol combat range; doing that requires shooting scenario training, with things like instructors yelling contradictory information from each side, poor lighting, changeable lighting and a target environment with "absolutely no go zones and hostages". When you can do that, 9 times in ten, you might be able to shoot with the FBI's Hostage rescue team- that is how they practice. If you don't want to go there, then don't feel bad when I don't want you in my children's school with a gun- ever. Nor will I be party to having teachers who cannot shoot to that level armed and prepared to shoot over my children's heads- that isn't happening. Good guys with guns are great- IF they have great shooting skills, otherwise they just run up the body count. BTW, I haven't kept my practice up for many years- and I no longer carry any firearms in public, and haven't hunted in a decade- so I am not claiming I can shoot to that level today. All the US "2A" people need to get a grip before they kill their own grandmothers or worse. Remember that "well regulated" phrase; one thing it surely does refer to are well trained and qualified shooters- owning a gun does not, in itself grant any skill or talent and only practice, regular, boring, expensive practice, will take a bit of talent and make it a "competent shooter". The FBI agent a few years back, who let his duty firearm slip out of his holster and fall to the floor while he was dancing at a wedding was incompetent- the FBI thought so too. And that is what I am talking about- simple competence to avoid the needless loss of life incompetence will guarantee. Thanks for the "use of your megaphone" Joerg!
Ich hätte nicht gedacht das die Kokosnuss brechen wird .....Respekt 🙂👍
A less-than-lethal cross bow with 4 of these rounds would be really bulky. It just doesn't seem practical at all when you consider there are pepper ball shooters the size of a handgun. I think this would be more interesting as a large bore lethal projectile. Could be used for big game perhaps.
Makes me wonder if since the pattern on the end of the bolt is essentially a circle, would it be prudent to fill it with a more malleable / softer material to see if it helps expand or absorb that energy that causes the wound on the other test? Maybe even just cover the screw used to hold it in?
3D printed TPU would be an easy tip to glue in there.
Davon möchte ich definitiv nicht getroffen werden..🙊 Das wäre vielleicht etwas für Houston Jones🤔
Dann solltest du definitiv nirgendwo einbrechen.
My compound crossbow is for hunting only. For non lethal self defense, I would just carry a mace. But since I'm better safe than sorry, I carry my 9mm pistol just incase I do need to be lethal. Luckily Florida is a stand your ground state, so if I am truly in danger and have to use lethal force, I won't be charged with any felonies. So for me a non lethal crossbow wouldn't be very practical due to it's size and loading mechanism. Still cool design. 👍
Nice vid, i see great potential here. I use a bow with a fishing rod reel to get my drones out of a tree. I would and could use your design here to get my bow more multi purpose.
Thanks Joerg, this was very interesting.
"Nice feeling, if you know what I mean" ... Cracked me up :D
Blunt bolts and 12 gauge rubber ammunition (heavy rubber slugs with muzzle energy at least a hundred joules) might be good for home defense, since pepper and CS launching devices aren't good for confined spaces. And if you can't use gases, the most suitable non-lethal weapon, you will have to use your hands, different melee weapons, sharp bolts or firearms. Tasers (conducted energy weapons) are good for law enforcement agencies but not so for personal defense, since incapacitated enemy will be ready to continue an attack immediately after the taser stops cycling.
It's always good to have some additional options and not being limited to only lethal ones or your bare hands.
And it's also will be good to have lethal 20 mm sharp bolts, so you can load into the mag a couple of non-lethal ones and a number of sharp ones just in case.
I would suggest - just make the bolts shorter, keeping the same weight. They are for home defence anyway, which means close range. And with the shorter bolts it could possibly be adopted by the under load crossbow from your previous video.
These bolts remind me about those nerf toys. LOL
wonder if it infringes
i'm always amazed at how good of an english you have! I've worked for a decade with german people and it was very hard, many times anyways, to break the language barrier - me being French doesnt help either i guess.
You are very talent3d and i love your products! Whish i could 1- Afford them 2- Get them in Canada
I wouldn't agree with "shoting at a person must be potentially lethal" because even i know beanbag ammunition can fail in its efficacy it should be the prefered method.
The problem is there is no completely sufficent legal weapon in germany to combine beanbag ammunition with high cadence and a really great magazine that is needed to remain to be effective even with partially ineffective hits and to be able to keep the defense effective over a longer time and against several opponents.
Closest to this for me is a painball gun (.68cal at 7,5J) shoting rubber balls.
If I had to confront deadly force against my person, I would not choose less than lethal means. My intent is to STOP the attack; not to kill them but the force must be decisive. I intend to survive the unlawful attack and live. Fortunately my country has made the means to my effective self defense available to me. Best wishes to everyone. 👍🇺🇸😁
Edit: my first line of defense against a common assault is pepper spray which is very effective if properly used. I am an old man and was mugged in 2018 resulting in an ambulance ride to the hospital for stitches. Never again.
The constitution acknowledges abilities already in use by tbe population, and reminds bureaucrats not to infringe on them.
Police are trained to aim at the belly with less lethal ammo. It's usually to disable a drunk aggressor.simlar to punching them in the face. Paul Harrell did tests on his meat target with rubber batons and rubber buckshot. The rubber baton caused some damage and that guy would be in the hospital.
Fill the void at the front of the bolt with hot glue, that should reduce the damage that was caused by the screw head that holds the rubber foot on.
Es macht einfach spaß dir zuzuschauen iwie entspannend und aufregend zugleich
This is a top shelf idea. please Joerg find some time to get this refined and market ready :)
Awesome! Look forward to Phase 2. I would prefer to NOT to kill anyone, but rather be able to stop the intruder(s) in such a way that law enforcement can take care of the rest.
If I wanted less-lethal, I'd probably just cut pieces off a broomstick handle and load up some 12 ga. with those. It's basically the same diameter, it's light, so it loses energy fast, but it's still not fun getting hit by one.
Less leathal is only good for learning to shoot the weapon properly. It has to Act like the real ammo/arrow/ whatever
You could fill that cavity in the front with capsaicin or OC powder and put tape over it or something to make pepper bolts
I love the inappropriate laughter 😂
Crossbow is difficult to operate in rooms,
not like shorty shotgun
You could go for rubber bands instead of a bow limb. Then it is not bulkier than a short shotgun.
An absolutely serious coconut opener. Well done!
It's nice that Kentucky Ballistics is mention in this video, one of my fav creators here. Collab soon maybe? 😁
Maybe add a plunger tip and some irritant dispersion since the bolt is hollow. A pepper powder in a capsule that is burst upon impact. Then if the bolt isn't enough the powder will drive them off.
Those dry powders don't work all that fast. and they aren't generally that bad for a couple minutes
If it aerosols the powder it will be very affective just like pepper balls.
The advantage of "pepper arrows" was its "big load of pepper" ! ...one could load an entire arrow with it.... bursting on impact like a "filled drinking straw" making a huge cloud (!) :D
@@xenoids It'd be quite tricky to design one that wont explode in the bow though :p
without being a liquid tear/pepper stuff just isnt that great at stopping anything.
@@jjgourde Do you want a giant pepper bomb in your own home in an enclosed space?
If someone comes in my house, and I got 6 bullets... you're getting 6 bullets. And if you're still twitching, I'm going to reload.
Maybe consider a rubber plug inside the foot moulding used as a head? With the ring making contact, the local pressure load will be higher than the comparable slug
You are very talented. Great shows and demonstration s. Continue success.
Michael Herrell
Seems a fair chance to knock the wind out of an 'unruly person' as well. I was thinking along Green Arrow (classic) lines of something on the end of a normal but longer bolt. Like a CO2 cartridge with the end drilled out.
It would be interesting to invent a crossbow with two feed systems. From the top, you have less lethal, thick aluminium bolts, and from below you have a magazine feed system with lethal hunting bolts. And to make it practical, you can switch from one feed system to the other in a second, depending on the situation you are in.
Owning a shotgun for home defense is illegal in germany.
Joerg Sprave: Hold my beer.
Now we have a coconut cracker design for free hahaha🤣
you should make ones that hold pepper paintballs, there are toy ones made that hold paintballs already but nothing serious
Great idea, I'd be interested in something commercial. Keep up the excellent work 👍
Could that less lethal bolt be a bolt head only so that it would fit into older crossbow models? It would be smaller in diameter of course but wide as broadheads, with blunt rectangular rubber tip, maybe steel core for proper weight.
Nice I wish you do more rubber powered content though was really excited to see an actual slingshot on the channel a few vidow back
Excellent idea. Something I'd be interested in.
I live in Bulgaria where the law states that it’s illegal to defend yourself or your properties with lethal force so this will is useful in countries like this
I think the rubber tip lets gelatine hit the screw causing that small cut. Probably did no good to the coconut either if the cup deformed to let it contact? Definitely deter a burglar though, half way down the street too.
Since NO form of crossbow is legal in Denmark, I just watch these videos with interest - not considering, which type of bow/ammo, I would prefer for home protection.
If somebody wants to do great harm to you, then why would you be worried about doing them great harm to stop them?
People are so stupid that they would rather die by somebody’s hands rather than use a deadly device against them.
Many countries have laws that only allow self defence at the same "level" of the attacker. So if an attacker comes at you with a knife you are only allowed to defend yourself with a knife or other melee, or possibly "less lethal" weapons. If you for example pull a gun or a knife against a person that is not using the same or greater you are the one that goes in jail (and also lose the permit to own guns if applicable)
Thats just a extrem Situation you are describiing. Most people will never expericne any situation like this. Say someone is drunk and steps on your ground and you say ok now you die? Or make it more extrem a child is stupid and breaks in...leathel force? If someone wants to kill and even tells you this, nobody will judge you if you kill this person. You are just talking bullshit.
@@BlaBla-lz4pv How are you supposed to know it's just a drunk or a kid? Also why would anybody that wants to kill you clearly announce themselves and state their intention? You have no idea of how this works
@@marcogenovesi8570 And you know people that just wanting to kill you? As i said if they come straight at you you can stop them but if they run away i hope you dont shot them in the back. Because in most cases if you shout at them first they freeze or are shocked and you know that the situation is now safer. But if you shoot first you escalate the situation to the maximum.
And you would kill a person for a stupid mistake. With your logic you could kill everybode that step on your property because you dont know whats the intention. Is it the postman...mhh maybe no i feel threatened i kill him.
@@marcogenovesi8570 The idea is sod the law. Worry about court afterwards.
Joerg, with the dia. of the bolt you could the develop a fishing bolt with a detachable head and internal recovery line so the target can be pulled in.😁
That was great, but can we see a really, really lethal bolt now?
Like a bolt full of c4?
A repeating magazine is naturally mandatory for the final product.
I have a 300gr Tungsten cube (1 cubic inch). When I get attackted, I can throw it at the face of my attacker at full force. This thing will break facial bones - the mass/volume ratio is insane.
8:30 that’s a nice punch!
the next step with this fat bolt would be to integrate a electric taser or for longer distances a teargastank with impactrelease
HI Jorge. what about creating some softer silicone tips, rather than the stiff rubber, i think the friction on impact, would be less, and perhaps less likely to tear the safety T-Shirt, and less likely to embed fibres in the would be assailant.
I think this is a good compromise for special situations, for example: you got a burglar on your property and want to make sure to arrest him for the police. With this solution, you have something to threaten him, that you also really can use against him, without getting into trouble, if the person should decide to attack you. By killing such a burglar with a lethal bolt, would get you into a lot of trouble, that's for sure. So yes, I think a less lethal crossbow weapon makes sense in many cases.
Also I think a design is making sense, what makes it impossible for the criminial to see, if Blunts or regular Tips are loaded
Clever, idea, Jorge💡 😊
Combine the less-than-lethal bolt with a rechargeable, reusable shock device similar to a taser. That would be interesting to see developed. (If it doesn't exist already).
They used to use small battery powered tasers inside of shotgun shells, which would provide intermittent zaps for 30 seconds, it was meant to be a longer ranger means of dealing with people who were doing things like swinging a bat ar or were drunken and wild., I think it's been discontiuned because of the price.
they say the pen is mightier than the sword, so I've always said that someone should make a gun that shoots pens. That's the ultimate. And now there are tasers that look like pens. So, you'd still want it to be a real pen but if you could make a pen that is also a taser, then you'd be in business. Super ultimate.
is it really so weird for a person to not want to kill another person, even in self defense? idk, I agree with you for the most part, but also think it's weird to dismiss others who disagree with us. "I'd rather not risk killing someone" seems like a perfectly reasonable stance to take. idk maybe I'm crazy for thinking these people are reasonable.
edit: love the content as always I just meant to say the dismissive way you speak of non-lethal rounds seems unfair. "why bother"
because lives are important and can be saved.
"killing could save lives tho"...
Nice prototype! In the bolt, you have enough space to include a battery and an electric elevator to TAZ the agressor. An idea to develope, may be?
The contact would be miliseconds long, and tasers need to stay on the skin for a second of two to really shock properly. I don't know if a few miliseconds would have any effect at all, so it'd probably not justify the complexity it'd require.
@@SupremeDP A sticky top and/or Velcro... 🤔
Interesting would be a test with a bulky (winter) jacket, since that would probably use up a lot of energy.
Nice to see a Taofledermaus shout out.
If the final crossbow will be of a repeating nature it could be a serious less lethal alternative for home defense.
Did you see the collaboration between Kentucky Ballistics and The Slow Mo guys? I'd love to see what happens with a crossbow prod and arrow at trigger release. How much does the bolt flex, and what exactly goes on with the prod arms?
Ta JS.