Karting vs Sim Racing: Which Is The Better Training Ground?
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- Опубликовано: 30 мар 2022
- Has Sim Racing now become the best way to break into motorsport? In our latest video, top iRacer and Team USA Scholarship winner Max Esterson explains why he thinks so. And a group of top drivers including IndyCar’s Pato O’Ward and Le Mans winner Loic Duval express their doubts.
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To paraphrase Chase Jarvis: "the best training platform is the one that's available to you"
Awesome quote
Both have their merits. Karting I think is great for learning the physical aspects of racing so the forces on the body, feeling of the vehicle moving around underneath you etc. Sim racing is great for learning the mental side of racing like learning how to attack and defend, how to deal with pressure, how to be consistent etc etc. Ideally you'd want to use the 2 to compliment each other but if I had to pick 1 over the other for training I'd say go for simracing for the simple fact you can spend a lot more time actually "training" compared to karting.
How is Sim Racing better at teaching you how to deal with pressure? Or how to be consistent?
Simply because of the amount of time and money. You can put in more laps and race more on the sim than in karting for cheaper than in karting.
In the span of two weeks, at most you can do 8 races in karting assuming 2 heats, sprint, and feature format. In that same time you can do 30 races on the sim in a multitude of different cars with a multitude of different drivers. While the cars aren't real, the pressure is. Not only that, but in sims with any sort of ranking system, the drivers will be around your skill, so the racing will be just as close if not closer than your average kart race. Even though weights are regulated, driver skill is usually pretty varied from my limited experience.
For consistency, it's just because you can do so many laps. For a league race I had at Austria, I did 500 laps (around 9 hours) of practice over the week leading up to it. Not only did this help with that race specifically, but now I feel like I have a new level of race pace, where I can push to within 5 tenths of my quali time consistently during most races. It's $55 for a practice session at my local kart track, and it goes in 10-15 minute rotations. While that's not bad, 10 minutes for a 1 minute lap means at most you get 9 push laps. On the sim you could lap for hours straight if you're that kind of masochist.
To conclude, you can get more practice and racing in on the sim than in Karting in the same period of time simply due to the accessibility of sim racing. There are no time limits on practice, and you can get into a race every hour with drivers at and around your skill level. The cost is WAY less to get into simracing, where a high end setup is half the cost of an pre-built 4 stroke. Obviously, you need to learn the physical side through karting at some point, but if you're able to learn the mental side through sim racing beforehand, you can use more of your mental capacity focusing on taming the forces rather than all of it at once, making the learning process a lot faster. @@Lenduya
@@ieurobeatkids9378 when you're in the race, you don't give a fuck about how much your rig costs, don't be ridiculous.
@@Lenduya how is that the only thing you took from that. That's like the least important thing I wrote.
And what does that even have to do with anything. No, you don't think about your rig much when racing. What I was trying to point out was that it's a lot cheaper to race more in sim racing. Whether you think about it or not in the middle if the race doesn't matter.
@@ieurobeatkids9378 because it doesn't make sense, it's bullshit.
I will be honest here. For me, karting is better in many ways and vice-versa. I think i/you should try both things. Both are good training grounds and combined are a great combo.
Wow literally didn't hear about a comparison with karting at all!
Yeh, this was all about if sim racing translating... But the fact that nearly all F1 drivers learned in karts tells the truth...
That's mainly because sim racing wasn't taken seriously at all until the past couple of years. Lots of the younger f1 drivers simrace (not at the factory sim but personally) and as we see sim games and equipment get more like real life, you'll see more and more people using it as a serious way into lower tiers of racing. From there, they can go onto whatever path they choose. @@Tweej
Not to knock a young kid chasing a dream but Max Estersons' career isn't a selling point for iRacing (so far!).
Sim racing teaches you racecraft, however to be a great driver you also need to understand the basics of how to setup your car, and this only truly comes from trial and error in karting
Easily karting, I do sim racing because I cannot afford constant karting, but when I tried karting it has a entire dimension, sim racing is not nearly as physical, also confidence, Easily high on sim racing because there is nothing to lose
In a modern world, both are great tools that an aspiring driver would be foolish to pass up. This contrived debate is like asking "which is a better tool, a hammer or a saw"? Max Esterson has done really well in Formula Ford, but was an average karting club racer in his limited karting career (he got a late start). I'm sure with more time, Max would have figured out the karting better, which would have also benefited his later formula car seat time.
For me, I did a fair bit of tin top stuff trying to make a career out of it and iRacing is fun - but it's still a game purely because it doesn't get close to the intention of drivers around you (who are playing a game) nor do you get close to the sensations. You drive with your inner ear, the fluid sloshing around in there is what makes us stand and know which way up is, nothing a game can replicate or an at home sim.
You ever tried a motion rig?(not being smart lol just curious to the comparison if you’ve ever tried em)
I think sims need a vibrating pedal for feeling of traction at the rear
There is already that. I got SIM3D pedal rumble motors, they rumble on traction loss and ABS, brake lock up.
You have to do both but honestly, not everyone who is fast in the sim, is quick in a car/kart.
What Pato said is correct, you don’t learn about the rear of the car so much; unless you have a top, top level rig. And even then, its artificial.
Karting really trains your butt and your butt feel. The sims don’t really unless you have a mega rig but even then; not as much as karting.
Fear factor is another thing not mentioned. The sim doesnt give that to you. You crash in the sim, just press a button and reset. Crashing in real life, different story.
Then the fitness level requirement and the intensity of the races and race craft.
Most of the top karters transfer well over to cars too. So i don’t agree with the kid’s argument that there is no carry over.
Most of the interviewees I believe were asked another question so I dont believe a stronger case was made for karting. There is a reason why all the top drivers nowadays were all the top champions in karting.
Not everyone was fast in karts which is correct but all the top drivers were the very best in karts.
Conclusion and summary: Sim-racing as a tool has advantages that you'd be stupid not to grab. But nothing substitutes actual seat time, karting or otherwise.
Karting e85 no power steering is a different feeling than sim. I can’t grip my phone after a session.
Professional Karting is epic. No one can manipulate your tire grip level in real life racing. Here is the difference and that's weird part of virtual world. Some guy from Iran for example, never be a champion of eSports competition even if he a super fast verstappen #2
Sim racing is virtual while karting is real
You don't need to be fit to do sim racing, nor will it ever fracture your ribs. 😂
Anybody else feel like this is a stupid question how many people make it to Formula 1 or IndyCar from mainly Sim racing versus how many people make it to Formula 1 or IndyCar from mainly kart racing
Sorry you think this is a stupid question. Fortunately the drivers we interviewed don't agree and I think offered some insights as to the strength and weakness of each. There's no rule saying you can't do both
@@thomasdavey6707 I never said you can't do both but they clearly pit them against each other in a title by saying "karting vs Sim racing". They also all mostly say the same stuff Sim racing is good for learning a track and that's about it. The reality is people who do only karting still become Formula 1 world champions that's basically all Max verstappen did his entire life I have yet to see somebody who does only Sim racing become a professional at the top level of anyting
@@GARBO96 The idea of a title is to grab attention and provoke interest and thought. We only ask the questions.
There isn’t a massive sample size of people who have seriously sim raced from childhood. Of course people that are professionals now started on karts because that was 15-20 years ago. Considering that direct drive technology has only become widely accessible in the last few years we can’t know just how significant it’s impact will be on driver development.
Was Zac Brown paid to say that?
Promoting McLarens eSports wing
Plugging his McLarens products in that sector.