Why Are There So Many Different Franciscans?
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- The Church is full of religious Orders, but none as vast as the Franciscans. There are HUNDREDS of types of Franciscans. So why so many?
This is the first in a new series called "Catholicism In Focus," a segment that takes a deeper look at the things we say and do in our faith all the time, but maybe don’t think much about.
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As a church historian, I have to say you did a WONDERFUL job presenting a very complex story. Kudos!
Thanks!
@@BreakingInTheHabit THAT. WAS. AWESOME !!!!!
But they all in order to be valid must be in union with Rome. Correct?
how many orders you want to have
Christians: YES
You count on your orders mohd 73 ? 173 ? dont try to peek your nose like a snoopy
As follower of Jesuit priests, that "join the Jesuits" line makes me laugh out loud!
The capuchins are the most down to earth people i know 🤣 My school and Church were run by them, and when I tell you, these man can walk around with the same pair of shoes for 10+ years, they can be almost non existent, and they would still say "i don't need new ones, these are just fine".
I love them all, they have a really special place in my heart ❤️
I heard there is a joke among priests."Not even God knows how many orders of priests there are in the Church".
My favorite Saint, St. Padre Pio was OFM Capuchin 🙂 I carry his relic in my coat pocket everyday.
Joseph Castillo you are so lucky. I am kinda jealous.
His relic ?
He is my favorite saint, too. I'm envious. Haha.
Cap
I am blessed with relics of Saint Faustina, St Elizabeth Ann Seton, Pope Pius X who saved my Grama from cancer and she lived until 97 years old. One more Saint my mom holds. I would say we are in excellent company. Three rosaries a day.
Would you please pray for Sister Clare Crockett from Ireland and say with Jacksonville Florida, Sisters of Home of the Mother?
I will pray for you 🕯❤️🌹🕊🌹❤️🕯
Thank you, Theresa Kennedy 🌹🌹🌹
Roman Catholic: Good morning, Father: what Religious Order do you belong to? - Greek Orthodox: Monk.
I am newly professed Secular Franciscan, St. Maximilian Kolbe Fraternity in Wyoming. So glad I found your channel. I building a fraternity website and will have a gallery of Franciscan videos. This will be one. Common question asked by seekers. Well done brother.
Pax and Bonum! Gospel to life and life to gospel. Yep too big a charismatic to fit into just one order.
Pax et Bonum...Congratulations on your profession as a Secular Franciscan. I've been a Secular Franciscan for 28 years now...and I haven't regretted a moment of it. I hope you are blessed with the same perseverance. Dios te bendiga. I am a member of the San Luis Rey Fraternity in Ponce, Puerto Rico. Santa Alegría.
Janelle Wingert OFS Congratulations on becoming an OFS. I've been a Secular Franciscan in the UK since 2008 when I was professed. Never regretted it. Pax et Bonum
Laudare - Benedicere -Praedicare. I'm happy for you, Janelle. Dominicans love you guys, even if we don't always show it (you know how we are... )-: )
I am ofs also from Montréal.. On you tube look for. Called to bè franciscan. It thé story of br mj
I think Mother Angelica would be proud of you, Father Casey. You're doing what she did, taking the Good News to new platforms to reach more people.
Always found the Franciscans and St. Francis very interesting. I'm currently reading 'The little flower if St. Francis' and find it fascinating (given to me by my Dominican spiritual director). Keep up the good work.
I love St. Francis of Assisi. For he chose simplicity despite of being raised by a noble family
One of my Karate Teachers was a 3rd Order Franciscan. Awesome guy that taught me alot about Karate,Chi-Kung and Padre Pio.
Please pray for me! I am discerning with the First Order Observants! Next month I plan to take a behavioral assessment for the Sacred Heart Province of Franciscans!
SpencerRaySanders well, what of dummie? you make the cut?
How are you now? Please tell us.
And what about the Anglican franciscains?
I can see St Francis rolling his eyes and laugh about this and cry out, "MAMMA MIA! What did I do?"...LOL I think what amazes me even more is the number of some Protestant denominations like the Anglicans, Lutherans and others have followed closely to establish similar religious orders modeled after some of the Catholic ones. It's beautiful thing, I think.
@Natewatl id love to learn more on this too
There are now proximately 90000 + non-catholic Christian out there. Just FYI.
@@mikekean8344 Now you tell me...LOL What's truly amazing to me is how numerous Christians, regardless of denomination, seem to be attracted to the monastic life and it's countless challenges. As Jesus said, "You didn't choose Me, I chose you...many have been called, but few are chosen." I've heard nowadays some Methodists and even Presbyterians have decided to look into such a consecrated life dedicated to serving God and their fellowman in the selfsame ways as Catholic and some Eastern Rite nuns do in an active apostolate ministry as teachers, nurses, social workers, etc while others embrace the contemplative aspect as a religious behind the walls of the cloister in silence, solitude and prayer, for the salvation of the world. As the mother abbess told the young postulant Maria in 'the Sound of Music', "The walls of this convent were not built to shut out our problems...You have to face them head on!" Many people who know little about life inside convent walls and draw their own conclusions about what monastic life and what it entails, know what it offers some people. While those on the outside view it as a jail, those on the inside view it as freedom from earthly distractions and materialism. St Benedict of Nursia wrote over 1700 years ago his Rule the first line, "Listen, my child, to the Voice who speaks to you within the depths of your heart...." Prophets and sages of all religious and spiritual disciplines will tell its disciples the very same thing of the treasures that lie within silence and solitude.
I so love the Franciscans. When I lived in Michigan I became friends with a Friar and I have so many funny stories about adventures I had with Brother C.
One wonders what Francis, who based his life on simplicity, would think of the complexity made out of his message.
Good video. Catholic Charismatic here. I was talking to a Protestant friend of mine and mentioned that within his mindset, if someone doesn't like their church- they just get up and start a whole new church, never being obedient to authority, being their own authority. In the end it is like a mirror cracking, which keeps cracking and splintering into eternity away from the original. How holy the Franciscan mindset is, as you mentioned, that if you didn't like the direction of an order, pray about it and ask God if you are to lead another order. All still Catholic. All still Franciscan. All within the Church.
When new churches are started they are mostly to reform the older churches which invariably get into apostacy.The older the church the more the traditions and errors thst get into it.This goes on until like minded people who want to maintain the purity of the Bible begin a church to worship and fellowship together.Thus there willl be many churches after a time..That is the reason there are so many denominations.These newer churches have voluntary membership depending whether they are in agreement with the truth. One cannot stay on in a church if the church is teaching erroneous doctrines.Despite of all this people stay on because they were there for generations or for fear of being excommunicateid if you say anything contrary.There should be freedom to be with the truth and with people who are like minded.That will be a Church according to
the truth of God's word.
I am a Dominican student and I find this vid very informative love to our franciscan cousins💛💛To God be all the Glory
Our Lady of the Holy Rosary..pray for us
Sts. Francis and Dominic...pray for us
greetings from the PH🇵🇭
I never joined the Order, but I was instructed/catechized by the Dominicans, and still regard them as my "nuclear" (often dysfunctional!) family within the wider family of the Church. It was probably the right thing for me, but rather starkly intellectual. The phrase "too clever for their own good" could have been made for them/you/us.
I sometimes feel I've missed out on the more touchy-feely part of the Church, which is how we thought of the Franciscans. We used to falsely and wickedly accuse them of adopting a "holier-than-thou" attitude, probably because we suspected they really were holier than us!
If it's hard to find anyone with a bad word to say about the Franciscans, it's even harder to find someone with a good word to say about the Dominicans, and it's true that there are episodes in our history of which we cannot be proud. Am I wrong in judging a Dominican vocation to be a tougher one than a Franciscan? Leading you down a rockier road? You certainly have to be prepared to stick your neck out, and to get your hands dirty (metaphorically, of course!).
Plunge yourself into your Dominican studies, but when you feel you're drowning (and you will), don't be too proud to give a call out to a Franciscan brother or sister to help you get through.
Marvelous presentation of the GREAT FRANCISCAN family. Fr -Casey you are a true son of st Francis.for this l thank God
Not brother just cousins..ok if you say that.I think that we all brother and sisters.
This video helped me so much now i know my options for becoming a friar.
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Thank you! I am a OFS. I was told a Franciscan is a Franciscan. I try my best to live as St. Francis did. I am married. I was so happy a secular order includes me.
Me, too!!
And in 2016 the Franciscan Friars of the Holy Spirit was founded!
Br. Casey's writing & oratory were quite effective 5 years ago. (!) His skills continue to grow in strength as a young priest. Bravo!
Very well done, Brother Casey. Thank you. I have met many Franciscans over the years and I'm happy to tell you the first were Friars of the Holy Name Province. Francis must be thrilled with his many sons and daughters. Keep up your great work.
Am I confused, yep, And Im a cradle Catholic. Every time I turn around I hear about this order and that order and then they all add Franciscan and I look like wow ok have I heard about them before and my head just seems to spin.
Thank you brother Casey for such important history lesson.....WHY IN THE WORLD THE OTHER PRIEST DO NOT EXPLAIN THAT TO US "REGULAR" PARISHIONERS "
Because the Franciscan Spirit is HUGE!
And.....simple !
it was mother angelica that taught me the rosary
ghostlylover99123 I lived by her for 3 years. She was a rather hateful and self rightious woman. Threw many a young woman out onto the street because God gave her 'words' that these women were bad and had to go. She predicted the apocalypse at least 4 times between 1988 and 1996, caused folks to sell their property and move to her 'mountain' in preparations for the end. Im so thankful that I was able to leave her church and become Orthodox.
Please provide some evidence for these accusations Robert Kyril Jordan?
A Catholic religious sister predicting the apocalypse like some Protestant? I'm with Sarah in wanting to see some proof.
@@kyriljordanov2086 you're a liar!
@@kyriljordanov2086 so you was a sister? because she lived in a monastery.
I recieved all my sacraments from St. Francis of assis church. I attended St. Francis school from k to eighth grade. I received a doctrine in philosophy for religious counseling. I am a Franciscan. Ty for helping ppl understand w this video. I am a urban Monk who takes semi vows. I am a lay person...💜🖤💜
I'm so confused as to how ALL of these orders can be correct in what they teach and how they practice... How can one know which order to join, which one is practicing things the way Jesus really wants us to? Do penitents ever fear that they've "chosen" the wrong way?
Thankyou I have wanted to know more about this for a long time...
As a Postulant of the Order of Lutheran Franciscans I am happy to be a part of this tradition.
I am glad I found your channel when I was confused with my faith. Amen
Bless you! Peace and all good!
Thank you for early on connecting to God's sense of humor. One of my favorite jokes, relayed by a favorite OFM pastor, went:
There are three things that God does not know...
What a Jesuit is thinking...
How much a Dominican knows...
and How many congregations of Franciscan nuns there are in the world!!
I beg forgiveness for any offense and assure I mean nothing but respect to the various charisms and joy over the human condition.
PnB
Thank you!!! St. Francis is my patron and I was very curious. Great video!
You didn't mention all of the non-Catholic Franciscans. Ecumenical Franciscans, Anglican/Episcopal Franciscans, Lutheran Franciscans, etc.
Oh nooooo is there more of them?
I find it interesting how there are so many different monastic orders and rules in Roman Catholicism, and yet in Orthodox Christianity there has always been only one monastic rule for both men and women since the time of Sts. Anthony the Great, Pachomios of Egypt, and Basil the Great in the 4th century.
I use to think Catholic church was one and strong. But I always wander why all this different types of dressing among them, I didn't know that if you don't like it here you can go and create another church or monastery the way you like kind of thing like Protestants do I feel sad and I'm not even Catholic I'm Orthodox but I feel Catholics are the one good next door neighbor and I don't want this things to go big and separate the Church. In my Church there are rules you can not choose and pick the one's you like and follow and those you don't like you don't and still be a part of that body of CHRIST by any means if you don't follow those rules you can live the church you can't use the Church's name they will tell by media that group is no longer under the Orthodox church so the people will choose to follow them or stay with the church.
Please be one. Don't separate the church and the people.
kris so the Church is one, there are things ALL Catholic’s have to do, the orders are optional and the rules are based on what best fits you while still, like all orders, living under the church and it’s teachings. The orders are not separate Churches but rather different ways of living out your Catholic life
Being Catholic does not require uniformity. We all have our ways of following Christ and serving Him. But that does not mean we are divided. Being Catholic is being united and one despite our differences. At least that's how I understand it.
... and let's not forget the orders started in the Anglican and Luthern churches.
9:54 What my non-christian friends ask me when I explain the Church history to them lol
Ain't that the truth! In one of my Christian history classes, after learning about some of the terrible things that people were doing behind the scenes at the first couple ecumenical councils (bribes, attacks, even murder), one student raised his hand and asked, "Were any of these men actually Christian?" Fair question for sure.
@@pilarquiroz3585 But you have to defend the Church from protestants! It is a question of faith revealed by God, not just of troubles caused by humans. I mean, we have to defend our faith because is the faith revealed by God. But do it with charity, without rage and bad words, and study more to have arguments.
Very grateful that you put this post together, it was informative, and it was also very confusing (which helps keep us humble!). Thank you
Interesting...Been intercedng for the Franciscans for many years now. Grew up with OFM novices in our village.
Please remember me in your prayers as well. Am a consecrated lay. Thanks!
Oh! Protestants are Franciscan. Now I get it.
Father, you left out Jedi.
I was confirmed at the Church of St. Francis in San Jose (Willow Glen) California, Episcopal. Love your work, my Brother.
Excellent summary of an interesting and confusing history! What are the largest 5 groups in the 1st and 3rd orders (and what percent of total Franciscans does that represent)?
Hello Brother Casey, my name is Brother Robert-Nathanael Hirsch CCB, I am an Evangelical Lutheran pastor and an Evangelical monk and friar, we also see ourselves as a Franciscan community consists. I work both as a pastor but as a police chaplain. so you see the confusion is much bigger than you might think. But I think there is much more that brings us together than separates us. for we all invoke St. Francis and St. Clare. we work for people and life for God. I am always very happy when I see your videos and I am pleased that vocations of our time are still possible today. Peace e bene
And of course there are Anglican Franciscans too!
Very good video though I have a few questions. 1) Is Richard Rohr an "Observant" OFM like yourself? 2) What about the "Spiritual Franciscans"? And 3) what about the existence of non-Catholic Christian Franciscans?
Thanks. 1) Yes, Richard Rohr is the same community as me, although he is in a different province (local governing body). 2) The "Spiritual Franciscans" were an offshoot of the Franciscans early on that wan't to maintain extreme poverty but were declared heretical shortly thereafter. 3) As far as I know, there are Franciscan communities in the Anglican and Lutheran Churches who live by his example of humility, poverty, fraternity, and prayer.
I like the Cupachins, there nice guy's
And they don't bury their dead friends; they just keep them in the hallway!
I see you have lots of politics, and now I am disgusted with Catholicism. I think even Francis of Assisi would be rolling in his grave seeing how it turned out.
When you find an institution that is free of selfishness, corruption, and division, let me know. The fact of the matter is that no institution this side of the kingdom is free of those things, and nothing I have shared in this video is actually sinful. Sure, there were people who didn't get along and reformed the movement, but even still they remained in the same Church, in communion with one another, not causing the other sin. This is about the purest form of division you're going to find.
Given up on this video?? This is my second time watching it. I'm really Intrigued!
I grew up loving Franciscans .❤
That was fascinating, thanks!!
I have always wondered if catholic churches are typically governed or run by specific catholic orders or if most are just general in nature. I know that some parishes are staffed by priests of a particular order, but others do not seem to be. This is coming from a non-catholic who doesn't prefer to identify with any one branch of Christianity although I was raised in two different protestant denominations primarily.
The Catholic Church area of jurisdiction is broken down to several diocese.
A diocese is an area governed by a bishop. The church where he holds his office and where he sits is called a cathedral. A cathedral can be termed the 'mother church' of a diocese. A diocese is comprised by a number of parishes. A parish is a smaller area within a diocese lead by a parish priest. The church where he holds his office is the 'mother church' of a parish a.k.a. parish church. A parish might have more than one church; smaller churches may be administered by priests who does not stay there all the time, but may go and visit there to hold masses and the like. These are usually termed chapels or 'visitas'.
Now to answer your question, in a parish there are two types of priests: regular and secular.
Regulars are those priests who are living within a religious order. Religious orders live within a community, headed by a superior, following a certain rule and living together. They usually have a church they run for their use and for the laypeople(ordinary people). Regulars usually takes vows of poverty, obedience and celibacy.
Secular priests are those who do not belong to any order and are directly under the authority of the bishop. They are sent to the churches and/or chapels not ran by religious orders. The seculars are also different that they take vows of obedience and celibacy, but usually not of poverty.
The regulars are answerable not only to the bishop but also to the superiors of their order.
Historically, in my country at least, a bishop will have missions founded by religious orders who ran the churches alongside other institutions such as schools, hospital,etc. Over time, as more people converted to Catholicism and the population also increased and the missions thus become so established to become parishes, several churches and chapels are built and secular priests are ordained to meet the needs.
I wondered about this. I just assumed that there was more than one St. Francis.
Good wood splits!
This was incredible! I’m an Anglican and we have a few of our own Orders. Some don’t require a friary and allow married men to become professed under different vows. St Francis truly was one of the most influential Saints in our history. Like the communion between Franciscans despite their differences, I pray our churches can one day be in communion, in unity over uniformity.
Could you do a video helping non Catholics or non Franciscans...understand St. Francis...
Watching this as I drink from my mother Angelica mug. Love her it's because of her show I wear my scapular and even know what it is
Thank you! that's a clear explanation for a unclear question xP
Thank you remembering us, the Third Order, now called Secular Franciscans. Pace' et Bene'.
I have noticed you do not wear a crucifix. Why is this? Thank you.
A crucifix? It’s not a very common part of many habits. I don’t know of any Franciscans that wear one as a part of their habit. It’s certainly not traditional or something Francis did.
@@BreakingInTheHabit Interesting. I was educated by Franciscan nuns, priests and brothers and if they didn't wear a crucifix they wore a Tau. I was educated at St. Francis High School. They all had crosses, etc. I have gone to parishes run by Jesuits and Dominicans; they wore crosses, etc. I am currently a secular Carmelite. The Carmelite priests that minister to us wear a crucifix/cross, as do we.
I'm a Secular Franciscan from the Philippines, can I ask a permission to repost this video to our Franciscan FB page? Thank u very much Pax et Bonum! 🤎🤎🤎
The first "father" of monk is ST Antony the Greath and the first roules was from ST Basil the Greath
I have age to be your mother and with all due respect that you deserve, if you were not only teaching the Catholic faith, but also were open to answer questions as every knowledgeable and spiritually mature apologetic does it, you would be guiding God’s flock with greater productivity.
Have you noticed that at the time you don’t answer a respectful question made by someone, you are not being kind, charitable, and merciful? Pride is never a good adviser. Just think about how Fr. Groeschel’s (EWTN) great knowledge, wisdom, and big humbleness characterized him. Just think about how many souls he has conquered and still continues conquering after his death. We are all to grow spiritually and never to remain in kinder garden. Be more sensitive to other people and never be afraid about rejection, but embrace it as Jesus did it. That would be something good and constructive for you to meditate during this Holy Week.
Peace and All Good.
Cristina ✞
I am an Anglican and have been a Christian for 34 years. Raised by atheist parents, I discovered Christ as a child.
I went to a Catholic school but remained Protestant. Researching Christian history became very complicated.
I have always loved St Francis and Mother Theresa for their simplicity of following the example of Jesus Christ.
They followed Jesus’ teachings, left all their worldly status behind, embraced poverty and minimilism, and served others.
So please explain something. Catholics often pride themselves on how diverse the Protestant churches have become since leaving Rome.
Yet this is also clear evidence that the Catholic Church is also deeply divided. Is this not sin? Is this not what Christ warned us all about? No wonder the atheists and unbelievers think Christians are a joke. We are embarrassing Christ by our separation.
Maybe it’s time we ALL turned back to the gospel life just as Jesus, the disciples, the early Christian martyrs, St Francis, St Clare, and Mother Theresa did. Rather than embracing new converts, we turn them away because of their sinful past. We judge people. Yet, even the monks and nuns have an example of a beautiful Christian life and ministry that could bring much peace to this troubled world.
We are living in the end times. Stop with the orders, rules and labels. Look to Christ, because only He can save us, through grace, in faith. Prayers are useless if they don’t come from the heart. Repentance, not penance, is the key. Knowing the teachings of the scriptures and being filled with the Holy Spirit is the only way. God knows who belongs to Him. Many will say to Him, Lord, Lord, we did so many good works in your name. Jesus will reply, I do not know who you are. Get away from me. Ponder. Amen.
Hi Nephilim, I think what you ask is a good question, but it is very complicated. If I understand you correctly, let me offer a few words. If I had misunderstood your question, please let me know.
There is definitely division in the Church--for Catholics, Protestants, and Orthodox Churches. It is definitely not just the Protestants, and any division is unfortunate. The Body of Christ should not be divided.
That said, we need to distinguish between divisions of communion and differing perspectives within the same communion. The former, as in the case of the relationship between Catholics and Protestants, is based on major issues of faith: understanding of God's relationship to the world, the nature of humanity, justification and sanctification, the role and nature of ordained ministers, the meaning and place of the sacraments in our life. In each of these things, the Catholic and Orthodox Churches are fairly similar (if not in complete agreement), whereas the Protestant Churches offer major differences. This prevents us from being in communion with one another because they are so essential to our faith.
Contrast that with differing perspectives within the same communion, as in the Catholic Church. Within this communion, there are varied approaches to pastoral care, style of prayer, focus on ministry, political stances, lifestyle, opinions about the structures of the Church, and so on. We are not perfectly of one mind, but the things that cause us to differ are secondary or even tertiary to our faith. We can all, in good conscience, worship and commune together because we know that Church does not have to be "uniform," it has to be "universal," (the definition of the greek word "catholic," actually). There can be many expressions of the same faith and many different opinions on the same foundation. But that's the point: we all share the same faith and foundation.
I think there is always room for conversion and turning back to a Gospel way of life. Whenever that is not our utmost focus, we have failed. And we do fail, all of the time. But I'm not sure I see rules, Church structures, or differing opinions as contrary to Gospel life.
Did you try Orthodox Church, too? Go to www.ancientfaith.com
Nice that you consider salvation.
How can you have life in you if you dont receive the Eucharist? You considered the Catholic faith which is the body of Christ but for some reason you didn't follow it.
I m not writing to put you down, far from it. Your salvation is important to me too. But please consider your own salvation as the priority in life.
I see you reppin my boy bro joe
I'm sorry but I got lost for a minute or two. Did you mention the Missionaries of the Immaculate Mary - Father Kolbe and the Franciscan Friars of Mary Immaculate? Because I sure do like those Franciscans. LOL! Thanks for the explanation of why there are so many Franciscan organizations around - especially those established to meet diocesan needs. I did not know that.
Yes he did ! The conventuals have Kolbe and the Immaculate which is the PATRONESS OF USA ! .
about a negative division... not actually. Since St. Francis said "I have done what it was mine to do, may Christ teach you what is yours".... That's exactly what they have all done: doing what is theirs to do... but, instead of in an individual way, they had done it in community. I don't think there's a division, but different ways to do what Christ teach them to do. :) then without noticing and throughout the years, you've all done St. Francis inspiration.
Anyway, thank you for your videos!
Do you only wear the habit or do you wear black cloths with a white collar like other clergy? Can Franciscan priests be pastors of parishes? Can you own a phone and a car?
Nick Boyko we do not wear black clothes with a white collar as this is what diocesan priests wear. We "own" things, but they are never fully ours. We need to view them as in our use and possibly share our things.
REALLY helpful, clear, and informative. Thanks so much!
There are also Anglican/Episcopalian Franciscans.
The Old Catholics and (I think) the Lutherans also have Franciscan orders.
Do they have sexual practices? And aalowed to marry or have sexual relations with various people? Since they're Anglicans and don't practice celibacy or chastity
I remember a quote from Bl. Thomas Merton from when I was very young, to the effect that communism can't work in a large society, that the only way you'll get a bunch of unrelated people to share everything with one another is if they voluntarily join a communal monastic society. Considering the many Franciscan orders, I think the same thought applies: if there were only one or two Franciscan orders, it would (I think) be too big to do all the work God wants done. In baseball, sometimes small ball is the best way to win the game.
This is really helpful. Thank you for the details. You ask “who wants to know?” I DO!
A spin on this that would be useful for vocations: if a man was discerning the major differences that would affect his life , say among the largest 3 Franciscan groups, what would this differences be today? Real. In the ground differences not philosophies or history.
What am I getting buying into the OFMs v the TORs v the Caps v the OFM Convs?
Great videos always, Casey! You have a nice touch😎🙏🙏🙏👋
Fr. Casey thank you for this information. I can confirm that the Franciscan Fathers of my previous parish St. Philip Neri in Toronto, Canada where I grew up, show "OFM Cap." after their name. You both seem to wear the same habit. I thought back then, that all Priests in the world wore that habit! I look at the different Order of Priests in the Church, similar to the different Regiments in our Country's Army. The different Regiments all follow the same "Chief of Staff", the different Order of Priests all follow Jesus Christ.
This video makes me love the Franciscans even more.
“No, I will not spend time waiting. I will live the present moment and fill it with love. "A straight line consists of millions of little points". Likewise, a lifetime consists of millions of seconds and minutes joined together. If every single point along the line is rightly set, the line will be straight. If every minute of a life is good, that life will be holy. The Road of Hope is paved with small acts of hope along life’s way. A life of hope is born of every minute of hope in that lifetime."
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And I thought math was complicated
Aaand do you lost me at 1:50
Brother you forgot to explain that in 1517 the order was split into two and the reform of the reformed is 1528 The Order of Friars Minor Capuchins 🕊️🕊️🕊️ with "Religionis Chelus"
Actually, there was a bias in the history of the First Order 4:40. Between the Conventuals and the Observants. Since Francis died the Friars were simply known as the Friars of the Community and in 1258 they were called Conventuals. Later on, some of the friars chose to live by the rule regardless of the changes of the signs of time and called themselves Observants as they wished to observe the rule of Francis strictly and that was 1368. They wore brown habits than choosing to wear the same sackloth which Father Francis wore (originally gray). From 1368 there have been a lot of reforms, some became a heretic of the church. As elaborated on 5:37. Also I'd like to challenge the statement that the Conventual chose to use money to pursue and follow the mission. That was never the case. We can always check the letters of Francis of Celano and St. Bonaventure of Bagnoregio to verify the claims.
Point is: there have been huge problems with you reformed brothers, namely; Conventuals and OFM of the Leonine Union and Capuchin. And we are trying make our order sound more observant to the rule but the reality is that we explain the history depending on how our community would benefit more. On this case, you're making it sound like the OFM are still the observants from 1368 but the way of life is way different from what was the first objective why observants reformed from conventuals in the first place.
What about, The Little Brothers of Saint Francis, out of Roxberry (Boston) Mass. Such outstanding work with the poor. A constant in winter in Boston, handing out gloves, hats, scarfs, and food to the poor of Mission Hill, and greater Boston more generally. Now I know you couldn't possibly mention each order by name, just shedding light on one from my hometown. Plus my Archbishop, Cardinal Sean O'Malley, is a former Franciscan himself. On an entirely different note, I always found it fascinating, That Cardinal Sean often chooses to outfit himself in the habit, rather than the Romon Cassock. I notice, when in Rome lol, he wears the cassock. This must be by a declaration of some kind. In any case, I would love to speak with you sometime Father. I have quite a story to tell you about my own vocation, and subsequent departure from Religious Life.
-Scottie Mac-
Boston, Ma
I have a random question. If a friar was invited as a guest to a families wedding. Would they where traditional robes?
"Francis did not set out to create Orders".
Jesus did not want to create Religions either but it happened....roll with the punches I guess...
Not trolling...just observing...
And this is just the Catholic side of Franciscan orders. Protestants (mostly Anglican and Lutheran) have a bunch of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd order Franciscan communities of their own.
@Breaking In The Habit…can you do me a favour and explain to me the difference between the Friars of the Renewal and Franciscans of the Immaculate?
Oh boy. Counting this video, I've now had four different friars from three different orders attempt to explain this to me. I'm still a bit lost. St. Francis and St. Clare, pray for us!
Excellent Poverty, Humility living the Gospel; all Fruits of Franciscan Spirituality especially being a penitent.
Start my formation period later this month with OFS ... Thank you father Casey for all your videos and hope all is well with you .🙏💪
So....are these men being called to specific ways of life _by God,_ or are they themselves determining what _THEY_ want to do??
How is it that of all the people holy enough to be Pope, 217 came from Italy and only a few came from elsewhere? Did god replace the Jews with the Italians as his chosen people? This really seems unlikely since it was the Romans (Italians) that crucified Jesus. How did Popes justify crusades that kill thousands of people all in the name of god (actually money and power)?
So, if I got it right, the Conventuals are, in a way, "the Catholics among the Franciscans" and the Friars Minors, heirs of the Observants and other splinter groups should be the "Reformed or Protestants among the Franciscans". Is that correct? ;-))
Anyway good job bro!
+Cantuale Antonianum Haha not exactly. If you're looking for an analogy, it might be more appropriate to say the difference between the Catholic and Orthodox Churches. Both are right, both are wrong, but neither have a claim as the original and neither are perfectly a reform group.
I think I'll just stick to calling all of you Friar or Padre. Just simple.
I have read much about Elenor of Aquitaine, finding her inspiring! Her letters to the Poe are some of the most beautiful writings I have ever seen. Although within them, she kneels to St.Francis, as the legend to her understanding of god and living her life.
What was that at the end? Anyway yep fascinating woman.
Does Martin Luther bother you friar? Does the idea of nun and preists turning the Hallowed Masshole into the holy alter of the Money Shot. Perhaps your team shouldn't have been charging to get into heaven. Friar, I wanna fight you in your sandals boy!
Good video! Very informative.
I did notice that you have a picture of Richard Rohr on the video's icon. In the Roman Church today he is a very controversial figure. I'm not sure how educated you are on his teachings, but it it is known that he is well connected with a type of new age spirituality. He talks often about the concept of the Cosmic Christ, made recently popular though the likeness of Mattew Fox - a rigthtly excommunicated priest by Pope Benedict. If you take the time to research his teachings, and the foundational thoughts that are at the base of everything that he says, I'm not so sure many Catholics would be open to hearing from him. Diversity is disrable, but not when it infringes on orthodoxy; our creedal obediances. I have obviously have my own beliefs about the teachings of this Franciscan, but I would be intrested to hear your take on him as a fellow Franciscan. Thanks!
Richard also IS a good friend of Castro brothers !, I'm keep him in my prayers . Peace and Good ! .
I have a question that is a little off topic. Since saint Joseph and saint Mary's relationship to their son Jesus Christ was always in question according to ancient Rome wouldn't that have made it impossible to prove that they needed a horse or donkey for travel whenever ancient Rome decided that they needed more of them for sending to the front lines of a war? If so then we could say that saint Joseph and saint Mary were often what can be called - Super Pedestrians. Instead of 'Super' 'Extraterestials' or whatever.