Who were the first people in recorded history?
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Huge thanks to Sara Mohr, Raven Todd Da Sila and Hassan Elzawy.
Written by Stefan Milosavljevich
Edited by Amanda Laws
Artwork by Ettore Mazza
Sources:
Kushim Source: Nissen, Hans-Jörg, et al. Archaic Bookkeeping Early Writing and Techniques of Economic Administration in the Ancient Near East. University of Chicago Press, 1993.
Source for the goatherders: Green, M. W. “Animal Husbandry at Uruk in the Archaic Period.” Journal of Near Eastern Studies, vol. 39, no. 1, 1980, pp. 1-35, doi.org/10.1086/372776.
Source for Gal-Sal: Visible Language: Inventions of Writing In The Middle East And Beyond, Oriental Institute Of Chicago
Source for Egypt relied heavily on Raven and Hassan but this is the Petrie book
Petrie, William Matthew. The Royal Tombs of the Earliest Dynasties, 2013, doi.org/10.1017/cbo9781107337299.
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As someone who struggles with anxiety, it was amazing listening to you read that cuneiform record of someone suffering chronic anxiety all those thousands of years ago. The human condition really is universal. As Stefan said - anyone struggling, with anxiety or other emotions, reach out to Better Help, or wherever you can in your community. Love
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You make one accounting mistake and 5000 years later people are still talking about. Nightmare.
and accusing you of fraud! preposterous!
He was in the barley mafia!
Neolithic war collab? 😂
I would feel honored if people were still talking about my accounting mistakes 5,000 years from now.
He should have used cuneisoft excel
Two female researchers with bronze age scripts tattooed in opposite forearms is comically specific.
I loved seeing the first researcher's cuneiform forearm tattoo, then just burst out laughing when the next interview started the same way with a hieroglyph forearm tattoo! Just perfect.
I came to the comment section looking for this. I laughed so hard when Raven showed her hieroglyphics tattoo, the comedic timing was impeccable. On the other hand as a bronze age female researcher myself with a linear B tattoo project in the works I feel called out
They must know each other.
@@srhthrd *Looks at own forearm with Ancient Greek on it* *Looks at copy of Xenophon's collected works* yep, we all do this haha.
@@TheRealFeechLaMannaWow dude you got the whole squad laughing. Why did you have to ruin an innocent joke by revealing your shitty political views 😐
Countless emperors and kings surely fought to their deaths attempting to immortalize their name. Kusim worked a 9-5 and is still remembered 5k years later. Lesson in there
So true! You never know when you might become useful. Even if it's thousands of years later.
Everything started with beer.
Basically the Larry of his day (the Pokémon players will know)
No… not really
Gigamesh and Sargon are certainly way more famous. And Gilgamesh is likely older than kushim's time period.
Also, kushim's name was just found inscribed. He is certainly not "remembered", and in all likelyhood will not be.
Considering that they baked the clay tablets, cooking the books was a natural thing to do
"I gotta go, I left my clay tablets in the oven"
Keeping 2 sets of books would be a lot more onerous.
@@trishrandall5031tworous*
Filing clay tablets must have been a nightmare.
Imagine you're looking for a document in a stack of these 😅
My favorite fun fact is that writing being invented 3200 bc means that if you are 52 years old you have been alive for 1% of written history.
@@ConontheBinarianMe too.
And written history is likely 1% of modern human history
That's actually mind-blowing.
@@ConontheBinarian But as time goes on, written history gets longer. The longer you live the longer written history will be.
The internet really made things so fast. So much of human history is without any technological devices and it was mostly just writing and reading
Nothing humanized the past for me as much as when I was attempting to translate a cuneiform tablet from the early Sargonic era. It was an inventory list and I noticed the person who wrote it abbreviated various symbols presumably because they were in a hurry. I imagined this person being like “Ugh, I’m ready to go home” while writing it.
Ah, translating a cuneiform tablet. A you do...
Oops. I meant as you do...
(psst. Psssstt..! Hit those little dots. One of them is 'Edit',@@frogpalpeeper4249. 😉)
so was it sloppy? because govt is precise right to the end
@@johnmiller8975 I wouldn’t say it was sloppy, it just looked like they were in a hurry
"As you love to live and hate to die..." I find this so beautiful, so human. It's kind of mindblowing knowing that the existential crises I feel alone at night is the same human emotion people felt thousands of years ago
We live 🌹 we love 💜 we lie 🥀
Your not alone. It makes me feel like religion was created as a tool to help ppl accept the this.
Damn it. Your comment put that thought in my head now.
@@wad3y.Some fella born in Bethlehem breaking that cycle forever like a chad
That kinda loneliness is a special brand of feelsbad. Try remembering the phrase "there's nothing new under the sun" next time you feel that way. Helps me, might help you. All the best.
We verbalize fear of death. It’s not new, hence the creation of religions. It’s a coping mechanism.
the lesson i learned from this video is that i better start engraving my name on every single piece of rock and clay i can get my hands on
Don't use a 3D printer.
I'm loving that Kushim was no Emperor or royal but some random guy kicking about in Uruk. Imagine if he knew that we would be talking about him 5000 years later.
"uhhh about the missing rations, i can explain"
Spoilage. It was the fault of he who has no name.
An accountant, a bureaucrat. Not much unlike my family.
@@juanjuri6127 “and no I don’t have an illegal side hustle”
a bookkeeper :)
imagine all the kings, emperors and conquerors who sought to carve their name in eternity through deeds of unimaginable cruelty, just to be forgotten by time and end up getting upstaged by some guy who rang food coupons
*Lugals 💀
Hey!!! He wrote government contracts. 😅
“Some guy who rang food coupons” LMAOOOOOO
I love the little details of ancient history that makes it clear they were a lot like us. Ancient graffiti on even older ruins saying “so-and-so was here”. Cat prints in ink across an ancient text (cats also don’t change).
5000 years is not that long ago historically. Humans have been around for 200,000. And dinosaurs lived for 200 million.
@@nboss968 True, but a lot has changed in that 5000 years. I imagine a human from 10,000 years ago and a human from 30,000 years ago wouldn’t have massive differences. But imagine the shock a human from just 500 years ago would have if they found themselves in 2024.
@@JeantheSecond-ip7qm technology has progressed at a shocking rate. It took humans about 1 million years to develop the spear, but microchip technology was created in a generation.
@@nboss968exponentially 🤓
The fact that Raven had a tattoo in hieroglyphics after you had Sara Mohr on with her tattoo in cuneiform was such a perfect punchline, man. I pushed air out of my nose, very funny. Good video!
What killed me was (He doesn't have forearm tattoos)
What is it with this compulsion for archeologist women to get their particularly field of study tattooed on their forearm? 🤨
@@SirAntoniousBlock women ☕
@@SirAntoniousBlock its a field of study that has historically been at least somewhat difficult for women to get into so any woman you see in a video like this who’s an established person in the field is probably REALLY into it and thus more likely to get a tattoo & the forearm is a good size to fit a phrase you like
@@nckojita I just thought it was humorously coincidental that both women had inscriptions in their fields of study in the exact same place, I don't understand the compulsion so I thought it must've been some sort of in joke.
While nowhere near the oldest names of all time, I find it fascinating how many names can be found in Mycenaean records that we still use today. Names like A-re-ka-sa-da-ra (Alexandra), E-ko-to (Hector), and Te-o-do-ra (Theodora)
Great point! Thank you
Fascinating.
I actually used to know someone named Nisa. It was short for something longer, but she did use it as her name. I also like Kushim, though I've never heard of it being used in recent times.
Wheel of Time series plays with older sounding names
The first 2 names isnt convincing me that these are those names at all
It’s amazing to think that the oldest technology - writing in stone or clay - is still the best means we have for creating durable long lasting records. Of all the information about you created in your life, your tombstone is the thing that has the best chance of surviving millennia.
Tomb stones nowadays aren't durable enough, and they're often not engraved. I've been seeing a lot of printed plaques. Just go for a visit on a local old cemetery, graves from a mere 100 years ago have begun to, or have faded enough that the name is unreadable. I might have my plaque 3D printed with engraving, plastic will probably stick around long enough XD
@@flamethrow868 it’s different in different places I think. Where I’m from in the UK they are mostly still engraved stone. And it depends on the kind of stone I think. I see some that are like 50 years old and they’re flaking off and you can barely read them. But you get others that are 300 years old and they’re crystal clear. I need to look into the difference. Also, the ones that will last are probably ones that will fall into disrepair and get buried so they’re not exposed to the elements. The ones that are out it the wind and rain and ice and chemical air pollutants etc will probably degrade
@@willmosse3684 That actually makes a lot of sense
@@willmosse3684Also depends a lot on the stone. Some places have limestone or marble as the most popular headstones, because of availability or aesthetics but limestone and marble are not great at weathering the elements, some others are much better.
@@IONATVS yeah, I thought it would be something like that, thanks. So what’s good for lasting? Granite?
Imagine how mad Kushim's math teacher would be if he knew of Kushim's arithmetic
I wonder what they would have called it, since arithmetic comes from Greek (I think?) and they wouldn't show up for around 2000 years after Kushim
@@Aiel-Necromancer I worded it badly, I meant how they would have referred to it since our word arithmetic has its roots in (old) Greek. They for sure had a concept for mathematics and numbers if they managed to keep track of numbers, quantities and even recorded their "mistakes" lol
@@DerGeraet205they got everything from Egypt. All of the first Greek historians said this.
Even this video takes away what they actually say.
Things are a guess if one doesn't accept other answers.
Math would absolutely begin with the trading of anything. All sales would have a receipt.
Eventually all would...😂
My bad.
Towards the end of the video you sort of mention immortality being connected to museums - and I think I've heard about museums existing in ancient times, like in Sumer. I would love to see a video about that, museums or something like museums being made and maintained by who we consider to be ancient peoples. What was ancient to them? What did they collect and study as artifacts?
Interesting thought. Occam's razor might be they'd collect the oldest stuff they could find that was clearly of another era if not another culture.
I'd imagine later Bronze Agers, so when bronze is widespread and general purpose, would for example consider pre-metal tools, etc. curious. Pottery is less regional and has a longer history, but it tends to break a lot.
"The ancients of the ancients are just super ancient... duh" is a bit boring, so for me then it's how their culture might view artefacts as such or the entire concept of a museum.
I mean, if Mesopotamians believed their temples were the house of their city's patron deity and acted accordingly, though it's all relative, that's pretty symbolic. We sometimes still refer to churches as houses of God, but that's not really taken literally or ritualistic.
Makes you wonder what something like a museum would mean to them, how they'd see it, act towards it... a sort of home for their ancestors? and would adding new items to a collection call for some ritual?
Anyway, thanks for sharing.
@@WK-47 about "House of God" not being literal anymore, it has to do with faith: Bronze Age polytheism generally considered gods to be INSIDE the idols, physically. It's a major important factor in understanding why Babylon removing people's idols was so devastating.
There lies the main difference with Abrahamic monotheism: it's not only the faith in one God (hence capital G) vs many gods (as a species), but also the belief that God is everywhere, while gods were believed to exist inside stone or wooden idols.
One of main roasts of pagans in the Bible goes about how a polytheist went to cut a wood, cooked food on part of it, and made another part of the same piece into what someone considers a god.
Even the Jewish Holier of Holies was an empty room, which disappointed Roman temple robbers. They assumed everyone's gods are physical statues or carvings, not heavenly beings.
A museum need not be of ancient artifacts.
@@WK-47Bronze age people tended to not understand what paleolithic and neolithic stone tools were and thought they were magical artifacts or created by lightning or various other processes.
i can't help but think about Ea-Nasir and how his name is still known today (thanks to his obsessively keeping complaint letters about him lmao) but there are kings and rulers who no doubt thought they'd be remembered forever who just....all knowledge of them is gone.
Goes to show none of us knows how our lives OR deaths will end up.
Yeah, I think I recall back in my college Egyptology how there are whole centuries just missing from Egyptian history. Like there could've been tremendously influential kings, wars, or events going on and we simply haven't a clue because once they eventually lost power the next dynasty decided to erase them from history.
Right? It's a trip tbh
The sheer amount of people who know his name because of the internet alone is beyond anything those kings could have imagined, and it was all because of ancient one star yelp reviews
This made me genuinely emotional. Thinking of these people who lived so long ago, what their lives may have been like, the people who loved them and were loved by them in turn... powerful.
Yea no kidding. And all the names we’ll never know. About 10 years ago they found an 117,000 year old fossil of a 12 year old boy in a Moroccan cave. I wonder what his name was, what his dreams were, what he liked to do, what games he liked to play, if he had any siblings… It saddens me that he died so young and when I think about that I think about his parents. What were their names you know? We have these stone tablets with early names on it but there were thousands upon thousands of years of *homo sapien* history before those stone tablets that we will simply never know.
All time is fleeting
People will look back on this era and have the same thoughts about us thousands of years from now. Don’t really have a word to describe how that makes me feel
It was a brutal and barbaric age. I think about the people they killed. Man what a time to be alive.
The
i love learning about early humans. they feel so far away from us but we truly are just humans, then and now. just the world around us has changed, but we’re still the same humans dealing with the same basic feelings .. so crazy
Yeah very fascinating
From my understanding you could even take a baby from 30000 years ago to today, raise it in a modern way and they'll act like a modern human.
What a beautiful video, I got unexpectedly emotional. Made me think of a quote:
"They say you die twice. One time when you stop breathing and a second time, a bit later on, when somebody says your name for the last time."
@Greksallad. Being forgotten feels awful.
All the ancient language forearm tattoos!
Had a great time chatting with you, as always. The video turned out amazing 🎉
Early Sumerian history is fascinating. First city. First writing. Fist civilization. First myth. Language isolate. Nobody knows where they came from originally. I love hearing about this kind of stuff.
It's a language isolate cuz we didn't know what others were speaking 💀💀💀 but many languages erupted with similarities once they developed writing and no one is to say they didn't branch from other non written languages
@@alexandrahenderson4368 I always wondered if a person travelled from one civilization to another, how do you communicate with another group without a translation guide or a literal translator. How did the Indians trade with Sumerians without knowing their language.
@@martinvanburen4578 sign language and interpreters someone skilled in learning other languages or raised with both like Pocahontas did...
Sumer and Egypt were the left overs from a earlier civilization
@@jybrokenhearted what is the name of that earlier civilization?
As humans we never really change.
People 5000 years ago was just like us, worries around becoming parents, dreams of a better future, annoyance over having to clean the dirty dishes etc.
That’s so cute that the first lady has a cuneiform tattoo on her right forearm and the second lady has a hieroglyphics tattoo on her left forearm
I love seeing the tattoos of ancient languages on the people who study them. It shows such a wholesome connection.
That's just what happens when society essentializes people to their social function. Terminal stage alienation.
Tattoos aren’t wholesome
@@Iz0penyeah we should ban them because I don't like them!
Tattooing is an ancient practice found in cultures and societies from all over the world for various reasons, to show status, power, and sometimes for religious or spiritual significance. Itzi the Ice Man (Bronze Age central Europe) had tattoos, the Maori warriors of New Zealand tattooed patterns on their faces, and the Yakuza crime organizations of Japan tattooed their torsos. I like looking at tattoos myself, but I don't have any. It is a personal preference. They're not going away anytime soon. Banning them would be pointless. Remember what happened during Prohibition?
@@Ezullof😮
On Egyptian rulers having multiple names: this was extremely common. Egyptian pharaohs of the Old Kingdom had five names, traditionally. 'Narmer' (pronounced more like 'Narmar' in Old Kingdom Egyptian) would possibly be a personal name with 'Menes' (pronounced more like 'Maniy' In Old Kingdom Egyptian) possibly being his regnal name or his 'serekh name', his name used during religious ceremonies. Or neither could be personal names, it's hard to know.
all kings, even into modern day change their name when they ascend the throne
absolutely ... if I was a king and I got everybody to go along with calling me Fierce Catfish, of course I'd pick a few more names as well
I say there's no way he only had those 2 names
We are still not really certain they are the same people though. A sources for that is some New kingdom inscriptions and a pottery shard Flinders Petri found that might have Narmer's catfish on it, but it might be something else too. Menes could just as well be Narmer's father or even some kind of weird title that got misinterpreted later.
It is a good theory but it isn't a proven one, and the Narmer palette does not mention "Menes" which one would expect if he had both those names. That of course doesn't prove anything either so we can't really do more then label it as a "maybe".
I do think it is pretty likely that "Narmer" was his personal name though, we do see it next to depictions of him from the time which makes that rather likely. It isn't like Charles would just had "King" written on a coin without his name after all, but he could just have "Charles" on it when he wears a crown. That is also not 100% since I am applying modern logic to something 5000 years ago though which is a bit dangerous.
If they are the same person, I think the likeliest is that "Narmer" was his personal name and "Menes" his "Serekh" name but I am not convinced that is the case here. If Menes was his dad that would also explain why both names was written on that pottery if indeed Narmer was written there.
I hope some new find pops up that bring some light on this (heck, if Menes was an upper Egypt king that wasn't Narmer we might stumble on his grave which would solve the entire thing, we are still missing a lot of Egyptian royal tombs after all so it is certainly plausible).
@@loke6664 We also have to bear in mind that Narmar existed in the Pre-Dynastic Period, and Seti I in the 19th Dynasty, meaning a roughly 2000 year difference between them, that Seti did not record a 'Narmar', and that in Narmar's time many of the conventions of Egyptian royalty weren't well-established yet. If 'Narmar' is a personal name, then it's written in a Serekh, which would normally be reserved for a Serekh name.
Besides of which, you don't 'prove' theories, you evidence them. The evidence in this case is tentative, but the potsherd seals appear to show the names 'Narmar' and 'Manij' in conjunction with each other, indicating likely that they are the same person.
@@TheRealFeechLaManna Complicated, but based on evidence from Coptic and Demotic, as well as hieroglyphic Egyptian spelling alternations and Egyptian words written in other languages.
Abydos is absolutely fabulous. Every bit of space is carved. Massively wonderful columns support the roof. Most of the paint colors are still vibrant. Despite the heat, the temple was so cool and such a relief from the heat. Make sure you go up one of the set of stairs. Wonderful little rooms where they did embalming. ( according to the guy in one of the rooms, the room was used for embalming)
I just found this channel!!! Thank you for all of your hard work on creating this content!!! I'm absolutely in love with ancient history, thanks for helping me understand our past!!
A group of people drinking beer with a straw from a single vessel is still common in parts of Africa. While I was a teacher in Zambia in the 90s, I joined colleagues from time to time to drink millet beer with a straw from a calabash.
I thought you meant Miller initially
@@amitisshahbanu5642reminds me of how, in parts of mexico, coca cola is easier to get than drinking water
@@cvspvr Just like in the film _idiocracy?_
It's the same beer originally made from millet. It's throughout Africa.
This is done in SẼ Asia. I’m familiar with this from the K’ho people in the central highlands of Vietnam. It’s a rice or maize ‘wine’ in a big clay jug drank communally with a long straw. Looks very similar.
Stefan, I've always liked your videos; but, in the past year or so, you've really taken them to the next level in so many ways. I have a huge respect for the quality of content that you create, and, as an added bonus, you also seem like a genuinely "righteous dude" (to quote Ferris Bueller's Day Off). Great stuff!
And so handsome
Totally agree, but bring back the spoon!
I'm kind of the opposite. I kind of liked the shaggy unprofessionality of some of the older videos :)
@@manzell Having spent most of my life in Portland, I enjoyed watching his rambles and identifying exactly where he was from the edge of a park, or from a business sign in the background, etc. I do think that was all fun, but I don't mind the increase in production values either. In particular travelling to relevant locations in the PNW is amazing when he can do that.
I guess we'll just have to hold out hope that we can convince him to do bonus videos once every few months that capture that original spirit.
And the current cultural references always make me smile.
Famtastic video, Stefan. I even teared up a little bit in the end. Your videos reminded me why I studied archaeology, even though I decided to not finish my degree, I still have passion for the subject and I'm happy there is content out there like yours that keeps me informed and inspired! Thank you!
Whistful, poetic, knowledgeable, evocative .... this short history of earliest written names is just wonderful! Thank you so much!
This is why I love the cave paintings and rock art all over the world! We don't know their names, but they left us pictures of what was around them, and what they observed. The pictures of people swimming where there is now a desert! The painted hands, and hand-sillhouettes made by blowing the paint around the hand! Hunting scenes, flora and fauna, fingerprints left in pottery. All are bits and pieces of the lives of those who came before us, and we don't want to forget them! We want to know their names, their stories, even now. It's fascinating, the thread that connects their lives to ours, and ours to theirs. We see the same moon in the night sky that they did.
I've got native paintings around my families land and made a video showing it if you wanna see
Same sky, different animals! Oh, to have seen a cave bear or wooly rhino…
@@missourimongoose8858We’d like to see that.
Ellen - well said!
I just want to thank Ettore Mazza for their always amazing illustrations. I've seen their work in a number of your videos as well as a few others here on RUclips (all related to archaeology or some social science), and they've always impressed me. I love your work, Ettore Mazza! Keep it up!
Ouu, you make me blush
I always wondered whose work was this. It's amazing, brings history to life so well.
@@ettore_mazza wait that artist was you?
His art keeps popping up in half the history videos I watch. Man has the market cornered
What a cool video!!! I'm so glad the algorithm put this on my feed! Happily subscribed and looking forward to more of your content! Thank you for this!
Thank you so much again!
Shout out to Stefan!
Love your brand of anthropological discussion. You really bring the humanity out of the artifacts and always have amazingly keen insights. Thank you for contributing in such an accessible manner. You give the entire field an amazing public face.
Well said, and true.
Couldn't agree more!
Exactly! That's why I freaking love this channel.
About 10.00 you mention them using straws. My 96 yo dad just told me how as kids they used the orange day lilly stalks as straws to get sips of cider or wine out of barrels. The straws let you reach below the grody junk to get clean drinks. Gotta love those connections!
Wow! You really put on a great presentation Stefan. Also, you add "heart" to your work. My sincere compliments to you and your efforts.
Enjoyed this very much. Thanks for the time & dedication to putting it together! ♥
The line about the people being immortal because they're still remembered is very powerful. Reminds me a lot of Dr. Hiriluk's speech.
Reminds me of Discworld …
@@Darkstar-se6wc I do hear a lot of people get reminded of One Piece when reading Discworld and vice versa, and I've heard Discworld has good comedy, so it's definitely on my to-read list which means I'm gonna read it anywhere between now and 8.7e100 years later.
The one piece is real
this is insane. my name is pronounced as nisa with different spelling. im a bit awestruck, it is unbelievable to think a name has possibly been around for so long.
imagine if you lived other lives :)
The biblical names like John Mark and Alexander have been around quite a long time as well
5000 years later and Nisa is the name of my local store.
@@sportspokerguy3506 except that wasn’t the original pronunciation of those names. Those are anglicized pronunciations
@@monicarenee7949 in the case of Alexander specifically, alexandros is pretty close as it has a Greek origin - I understand Ancient Greek is different than greek but in a similar way to the differences between old English and English - the pronunciations are different, but alexandros specifically would be recognizable even with the ancient spelling - and the question in the video had certain criteria like a contemporary work with the person’s name existing. I tend to think Kushim is most likely a name - but we aren’t 100% sure, we are 100% sure about Alexander (or alexandros if you prefer)
47 minutes very well spent! Thank you so much for this amazing work
This was very moving. Thank you, Stefan.
You know the researchers he talked to are passionate about the subject when they both have a tattoo with the script/hieroglyph of the people they study
I absolutely adore those tattoos. Appropriately reserved only for eligible scholars.
Took ages to re-find, but if you want to refresh your memory:
4:38 'The one who knows may show the one who knows. The one who does not know may not see'.
19:00 Appeal to the Living - 'As you love to live and hate to die'. i.e remember me...
Thank you!
Not all heroes wear capes.
Fascinating video, and a pretty unique way to delve into ancient texts/writing. Thanks much, and it's time for me to see what else your channel explores.
I really enjoyed this video a lot. Thank you, Stefan.
Another quick note: 'Iry-hor' is more of a modern designation for that sign combination that doesn't actually mean 'Horus-mouth'. In Old Kingdom Egypt the name would have been pronounced close to 'Rar-haruw' if the name meant 'Mouth-of-Horus'. 'Iry-hor' means more like 'Person-with-Horus' if we interpret the mouth sign as a preposition instead, pronounced 'Yir-haruw'.
A preposition would be more like 'Regarding horus' or 'According to Horus', and in the case of this sign wouldn't typically be seen in a name, but rather at the beginning of a sentence.
Also, I'm not sure how you're translating 'person (with)' from this. Could you perhaps explain that?
@@FactThis I was trying to create something that sounds more like a name in English. 'Regarding Horus' doesn't sound like much of a name, but researchers seemed to be using the pronunciation that connoted the prepositional r rather than the noun r. I realised later that they meant that they thought the name might be *jrj* hr and not r hr, which would mean 'Belonging to Horus', a fine Egyptian name.
@@therat1117 I think based on the hieroglyphs and it being a name, a prepositional r or jr is unlikely. But with the Egyptians regularly dropping weak consonants it's a guessing game anyway, particularly with Archaic Egyptian and Old Egyptian.
On a fun note, my mom did her archaeology bachelor in Iraq. There she learned Cuneiform!
Did she end up doing that for a living?
I love videos like this so much and I am eternally grateful for this content. Thanks Stefan. Bringing a name and a face to our ancient ancestors goes such a long way in understanding and relating to the past.
Thank you Stefan. Fantastic work :)
Of all the channels worth watching on RUclips, this is clearly one of the very best. Warm, compassionate, smart, and approachable without watering down or dramatizing the content. Hats off to Mr. Milo - - - a new standard of excellence.
Precisely! I've been interested in history since I can remember myself, and for a moment during my elementary school I pondered becoming an archeologist. However, during the tumultuous 1990-s in the Baltics that seemed like a shortcut to perpetual poverty and I already had a taste of that, so I gave up on the idea.
Several decades later it gives me immense joy that there are such people of Stefan who are able to speak about history with such infectious joy and enthusiasm. Not many of RUclips historians are able to be so humane and relatable like Stefan. I'm addicted.
Why didn't he show the true images of the ancient Egyptians. Why did he show fake images of light skinned individuals that contradict the true images and statues.
I love this format - asking a question and following multiple lines of inquiry to answer it. It gives you a lot of information that you might not get in a video with a discrete cultural focus, and draws connections between realms of knowledge.
Very well said & a very enriching comment!
This is amazing! ✨I love all your videos. I too am blown away whenever we can humanize the past. It blows my mind that there are still recipes and ancient jokes that people once sat together and drank and told each other; something that's as relatable to you and me. Thank you for sharing.
I love the thought of someone finding my accounting mistakes 5,000 years from now.
Thank you so very much for making a video I myself always thought of making since my granddad said: “Don’t stop saying my name. I won’t die until the last time my name is uttered.” You made this film with the perfect reverence!🙏🏼
“Hey honey, so here’s the good news: we’ve been given the honor of being buried by the king when he dies! Bad news is the kings dead…”
This video had me hitting the subscribe button. SO GOOD!!! Very well done! ❤
It's old Siedentop, one of our neighbors in the nineties. I can still hear her voice from across the garden, rusty and sandy like her soul.
They could have separated the solids from their beer if they wanted. The way beer is generally made is that the wort is strained off the grains into the fermenting vessel. Even without metal strainers, all it takes is some cloth or a mesh of reed or other plant fibers. Then the yeast is pitched, and when done fermenting it falls to the bottom of the vessel, at which point the liquid is racked (i e. siphoned) off the solids into whatever containers you are using.
Easy peasy, even 5000 years ago in Mesopotamia. For whatever reason, it appears they chose not to do so. Or perhaps they did and simply liked to drink it with straws.
This whole video is excellent, but I found the part at the end especially profound. The idea of a father and son, living on opposite sides of the edge of history, is such a beautiful and awe inspiring idea.
Not true history if you continue to perpetrate a lie.
Amazing video! Thank you so much. I live in Spain and have a passion for archeology and am always in wonder of what life was like was like for middle class people like me. What did we do, eat, drink, how did we live and love. Stefan, your videos are wonderful. If you are ever in Valencia!...
The running tattoo thing is such a fun running bit. I now want every interview to start with the review of a tattoo 🤣
I was once looking up documents from the 16th century to help an American friend trace down evidence for his recorded family tree... it was also just accounting stuff for a very small German village. It's just mad how much those records can connect us to the actual past and on the other side let's us put down ideas and stories about the world to come.
Having said that, I'll go out now and find a rock to hammer my name in 😅
That was really fascinating Stefan! The wife of king Ka, the predecessor and likely father of Narmer is believed to have been called Ha, yet that is just a possibility. The Scorpion I of the Uj tomb was likely something of a century behind Iry-Hor in time, with one Lion and another Double Falcon perhaps in between and others too. There are some primitive hieroglyphs from Upper Egypt that may depict even earlier local rulers like Oryx Standard, Bull, Elephant, Canid, Finger Snail etc. but they may represent something else. It's a pity we don't have the same archaeological record from Iraq as we do from Egypt, because of the far greater political instability. The name Iraq, which is Persian,, may have initially derived from the name Uruk🙂
I think that the city of Uruk was located in southern modern-day Iraq.
@@fleetskipper1810yes it is located near the modern city of Nasiriyah in southern Iraq. Last year, I was fortunate enough to visit Iraq and see ancient cities of Uruk and Ur. I stood atop the Ziggarut of Ur
Imagine being Finger Snail ☝️🐌
@@naranara1690 lmao, I actually went and tried to google for an Egyptian named finger snail after reading that
Beautiful and thoughtful video! You do a wonderful job humanizing pre history! ❤
A fascinating look at the earliest recorded people. But it brings to mind other considerations: in cave paintings, such as Lascaux, there are human hand prints. Were they made by multiple people and if so, was it an attempt by each person to record their identity? “I was here. I lived.”
The artifacts preserved in dry climates, particularly in tombs, endure well, whereas those inscriptions exposed to wet weather, such as in northern Europe fade away. So much has been lost.
Thank you for this thought-provoking journey into time.
I watch a lot of ancient history videos, and this was such a unique and interesting topic to see covered in such depth. I appreciated it!
Hello I love anthology and am hoping to go into college with that as a major do you have any channel recs. Looking for more in depth lecture-y videos. Thank you for taking time to read this
@@cogandballI would definitely recommend Gutsick Gibbon and Dapper Dinosaur!
the aesthetics of ancient Egypt and other ancient societies are so spectacular, i can't imagine seeing something like that with my own eyes. life seems so dull these days
I'd bet they thought the same of their society.
One's own time period and home country always seems like the most boring and status quo place.
Thank you for such an interesting and awesome video ! I love your work ❤
Simple idea, yet profound and deep. Good video!
"I want a Contemporary Document !"
*Accidentally finds the oldest recorded example of the "Hi, I am Frank . . . and Ernest" joke"*
I swear you are the David Attenborough of history. They way you talk about history with the same passion and love. I feel it. I hear you and I’ll watch anything you put out because I love history too.
Prayz The Lord
Stefan, you really will have to visit Egypt. I have just returned from a river cruise on the Nile , travelling from Cairo to Aswan. We had access to fabulous Egyptologists who explained to us all the temple,tomb and mastaba inscriptions, high and low relief. They will undoubtedly be able to answer all your questions.
This was amazing, thank you
pretty sure the first person with a name in recorded history is my buddy eric
Woah! You know Eric too?
The man, the myth, the legend: Eric
He owes me money
Do you know his grandson is Theo von
@@cropduster123 no dave was his boyfriend
Stefan, that was the single best video you've ever made, absolutely terrific. Humanising the past is what really gets people interested in archaeology and you've done it in spades here.
This video was amazing, and so well made. Thanks Stefan!
Narmer and Menes maybe had two names because he wore 2 crowns. Perhaps he went by a different title for each crown…
I really love Stefan's enthusiasm and how approachable he makes these topics. :) Roping in the experts and getting them gleefully going is a special skill as well! Thank you!
*THIS* is exactly the sort of thing which forms my fascination with history, this connection over millennia with people long gone through their names and the details of their lives. Through them we can speculate, can imagine what they had in common with us, all these centuries later, that universal human experience which transcends technology and civilization. I like that you drank to their names, these first recorded human beings. I think it would please them. =^[.]^=
Well said!!
Love your videos, Stefan! Thanks!!
this makes me so warm and fuzzy, names have SO MUCH power and energy. keeping a name alive keeps that human's memory alive, it gives them power to live on in history. speaking these ancient names surely woke up their spirits and made them smile. :]
you're so amazing, Stefan. I wish I had friends like you to just sit around and talk about this stuff with! Never stop making such informative and passionate content.
Nice work
Hang out with a higher class of potheads😂
Just stumbled upon your channel and my only wish is you could make more videos! I’m almost running out of your content at night. Thanks for your hard work
U might like north 02's videos also uncharted x has great ancient Egypt and other civilizations videos
I was literally just thinking about this last night while going to sleep. So crazy this showed up in my recommended
The Sumerians are so fascinating. How lucky are we to have such preserved history.
"Stars fade like memory the instant before dawn. Low in the east, the sun appears golden as an opening eye. That which can be named must exist. That which is named can be written. That which is written shall be remembered. That which is remembered lives. In the land of Egypt Osiris breathes. The sun rises and mists disperse. As I am, I was, and I shall be a thing of matter and heaven." The Book of Coming Forth by Day (Egyptian Book of the Dead)
Fascinating. Stefan, this video is more than history. Its like reaching back and touching a real person's life. This was one of your best ever mate.
This video is a masterpiece. Well done. Thank you
I loved the little cylinder used to easily roll out your "signature". Very cool gadget.
The most original historical channel I've ever watched. Including anything cable TV has. Very humanizing way to view any of our history on this planet. It's fascinating but also very attainable almost, like we can grasp these human qualities. Whether it's ancient Egypt or the neanderthal in Europe. Thank you again for doing these.
Peace ✌️
I gave up on cable TV long ago. It's expensive and not really necessary. There is so much stuff freely available and often far better on the internet. On RUclips alone there are some really good and interesting programs to see. So why would I pay for a lot of boring babble and ad's?
Great video, Stefan. You have quite the knack for making an otherwise dry subject uplifting and immersive. Good stuff. Thank you.
I love that Kushim was basically just a minimum wage employee charged with inventory and that’s the person we talk about so many thousands of years later.
"minimum wage employee" bro was a fucking bureuracrat
I don’t understand how you only have 40k in subs but get so many views. You deserve so much more!
Me: spends all day daydreaming about Sumeria.
Milo: releases perfectly timed video.
Legend.
This is my favorite video you’ve made yet, Stefan. Excellent scholarship woven with poetry.
She basically has “we don’t talk about fight club” tattooed on her arm. But in a cooler older way.