STEFAN, CHEESE AND RICE (jesus christ), cheese and rice my friend... YOU LIKE thinking about deep thoughts while affected by mind altering substances?!?!?!?!? GUESS WHAT? Our ancient ancestors did too also and this is exactly what has led us humans to become "human" ......... I believe monkeys got high and that is part of the key to the piece of our evolution puzzle on intelligence... what are your thoughts on this subject? Now I'm not promoting everyone go out and get high. On the contrary I'm against it... But the RIGHT person witht he RIGHT drug unlocks miracles in the mind and allows him/her to think "outside of the box''............. please reply with your thoughts and maybe do a whole video on this?
Shout out to Orangután Women! I prefer Gibbons. I really hope Danubepithecus was our 5 million Gibbonlike Ancestor. Brachiation is so Romantic! Almost like flying!
When this guest says "I'm glad you asked", I've never heard anyone say it and mean it so much 😂 Dude was soooo happy you asked ☺ I love hearing people that get to work in a field they are passionate about.
@ellenlewis9860 But the girls werent busy with the denisovans, only the Neanderthal boys, but you could be right it could've been bride kidnapping by the Neanderthal boys.
Right on, and likewise, mate. I'm hitting the hay connecting with my ape-like ancestors right now. This one guy, he says his name is Mok or something, says hello, I think, idk.
I was unsure what to do in school, i took a bio anthro class, became super interested and saw this channel…snowball effect happened and now im majoring in anthropology
“No daughter of mine is going to marry a Denisovian.” “But I love him dad. Ugh, you truly are a Neanderthal…” Jokes aside, I hope someday we can collect enough data to better understand these relationships because this is absolutely fascinating.
I live all my life in the Iberian Peninsula, and since i am a child i always got fascinated by neanderthal man. My father would bring me to a rock cliff sharp into the high sea to go swim and spear fish in a cave that would flood in the high tide, i remember crying before entering due to the noise of the waves and the dark cave, once inside, my old man sit me down and showed to me a place with a old fire and the deepest part of the cave is shutdown with metal bars, its written there that neanderthal man lived there, so as a child i thought they was the most brave humans ever "how could someone live in a cave and not be scared with the sea and water flooding"..... Only afther as a adult and thanks to awesome peopl like you mister Millo that i understand the geo changes and etc... Never stop... Many thanks...
It is so cool to think about the interplay and lives of these women who are related but lived in these caves that are 75km away from each other. You rock, Stefan!
Interesting to think about what happened so many years ago. Where the females taken as slaves in battle? Or did the cave dwellers meet seasonally or even less occasionally to trade females? Probably but not necessarily a Romeo & Juliet story.
Your videos are great to watch at any time or day! At age 63, I can't believe how much we have learned about ancient humans since I was first getting into science in grade school. It is the same with astronomy. Yes, I was one of those nerdy kids who loved science, then Jazz and reading Science Fiction. Your channel keeps me up to date with recent archaeological discoveries. I also watch a Dutch woman's channel. Anton Petrov has a great science channel as well.
Amazing that so many Neanderthal individuals from the same cave have been found. And this is after excavating only 1/3 of the cave. The relationships between the individuals and how they relate to other populations are just fascinating and invaluable!
@@mtrest4 Hmm. Now I'm curious. I was thinking they said that the skeletons looked like they were intact at the time of death. But I could easily be remembering that from a different video. If the skeletons looked crushed at the time of death I'd say you were probably right. But I would think the archeologists would have come to that conclusion if they were crushed. Because it is a good thought.
I don't understand his glorifying of the mixing, which has been proven to be the cause of genetic problems, as "beautiful families." Sexual fantasies should remain OUT of scientific study.
Dear Mr. Milo I understand that my suggestion is controversial and not RUclips friendly. Nevertheless there is evidence that early hominids did things that we consider now as repulsive, e.g. eating and butchering other hominids. This is why it got me thinking, when in our evolution did we "stop" engaging in non-consent sex and transition into consensual sex? Is ancient Greek Greco-Roman wrestling circumstantial evidence of how a early hominid like Ardi engaged in non-consent sex? Is the concept of sports/olympics derived from our evolutionary transition from non-consent sex to consensual sex and is there any correlation? Did Lucy's mother stand on a hypothetical highway bent over hoping that primates get her first before the lions? Or was she dragged against her will to the trees by a passing male? Or was it something completely different? I understand that people may feel uncomfortable by these questions, but I'm not the architect of primate behavior. It is what it is.
I appreciate that you use stock footage that is as accurate as possible, and that you tell us when it’s different. Some channels don’t bother with that which can be annoying and potentially deceptive.
I just got back onto the whole pre-history wagon the last week and a half and I've learned so much. It's amazing, these pre-people existed. They had some sort of dynamic, definitely understood that they needed to be near each other to survive, and left an imprint that we today are still trying to understand. It's amazing, I don't think I'll ever get tired of learning more about our beginning.
i really just love this channel it is such good quality and you're such a great host! i love the way the video progresses to make us ask questions the same way you did. What a great interview too - such a great video Stefan!
I am so happy you were never a professor or mine or I would have gone down the Ancient Homo Sapien Archaeology rabbit hole. I'm a retired sea captain, now, getting a pension and enjoying your videos.
Very much enjoy your skill to contextualise things further for us beyond the scientific articles findings and your interviews. Thanks for the storytelling.
the image of a neanderthal man and his daughter 60,000 years ago and on another continent, speaking an unknown language, whose lives are otherwise absolutely lost to history, yet who shared love between one another and had their little moments and nicknames like all parents and children do nowadays, just had me tear up, ngl
I have no problem imagining this. The words they spoke were likely precursors of the ones we use today, and their love was universal and timeless. It's okay to anthropomorphize them, because they were people.
@@darko714no they weren’t. They weren’t our ancestors, and weren’t able of complex speech, they had the speech of a 2 year old human child. They were a different species, which emerged 300 000 years before us. So when we emerged they were already here since 300th years, so they could not be the same species. They were hominid, not humans.
There's evidence that anatomically modern humans evolved more than 300,000 years ago (at least if the dating of remains found at Jebel Irhoud in Morocco is accurate). There's also evidence that their Neanderthal and Denisovan cousins, while anatomically distinct, were able to and did breed with the humans, which strongly suggests that they were not a separate species at all. However, perhaps I went a bit far in speculating that their language had evolved to a fairly advanced state. @@Cobalt1520
There is also the seldom studied X-chromosome lineage (non-recombinable segment). From memory now (if someone is interested, I can document further) there seems to be one such X-DNA lineage from Neanderthals and (IMO) it is the same that was previously found to be most divergent from the others and found most concentrated in some specific populations such as Basques, Gujaratis or Native Americans. It was labeled B006. X-DNA lineages can come from either side, let's not assume it is matrilineal just because women have two X chromosomes and men inherit our X-chr from our mums (but the non-recombinable segment can be from her mum or her dad). In fact, in a study in coastal Colombia, X-DNA documented the repeated arrival of waves of European male settlers, unlike mtDNA, which was fundamentally aboriginal and documented that almost no female settlers arrived instead.
Certainly seems like an interesting way to parse between purely matrilineal and patrilineal inheritance and ease out patterns over pairs of generations (grandfather to grandchild). Good stuff
Just for the record, I mentioned this issue of X-DNA haplotype B006 being possibly of Neanderthal origin in my old blog: forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com/2011/01/is-x-dna-lineage-neanderthal.html
Great work Stefan. It is nice to have someone who knows something to start with put this new information together, contextualize it, and ask good questions of the author of this new paper. OK, go ahead and wake me up at 4:00 AM when you get something else like this.
Stefan, do you remember the match we had at Wimbledon? That was a banger for sure. Your match point ace was unreal. If only I could have returned that serve, that ball boy would still have his right hand. Don’t blame yourself, he never should have tried to catch it on the bounce. It’s not your fault. Paying for his medical bills with your winnings was a super classy move though. ‘97 was one hell of a year!
Thanks Stefan. Stoners like me have been watching you for years taking us deep into this story of our own past, keeping the imagination wandering on these different times... And the chance of it all leading up to the current time and our existence is just mind boggling.
As a stoner from the same uni who has recently left a pretty good career to follow my true passion I have so much respect for someone who in the archeology community, which let's be real is tragically an underpaid area, has put the work into making something out of their passion. It's truly inspiring! Keep up the work Stefan!
I don’t know why, but the total population sizes of Neanderthal and other prehistoric human types had never occurred to me before as a significant factor in the genetic successes and failures of the different branches of our ancestors. The rapid changes to the genome that takes an individual away from the genetic ideal of its species within something like a couple of generations of inbreeding could explain so much 🤯. Thanks for facilitating this discussion.
Have you ever heard of or played the game Ancestors: The Humankind Odyssey? You start the game as the unknown Last Common Ancestor. From there you start evolving towards the genus Homo by learning things like bipedal walking, becoming an omnivore, building bonds between clan members and having children that have advanced genetic mutations like being able to eat meat with little to no sickness. You go from the jungle and the trees to the savannah and desert. It's just a really cool way to visually see and experience what our earliest ancestors had to deal with. I'm not much of a gamer but this game really catches my interest. Highly recommend.
Big fan of your channel Stefan! Thank you for making accessible videos that allow sci-curious folk like me to dive into an otherwise mysterious field of research.
I think that the sample size could be relatively small. There could very well be other sites in the region with individuals possessing different mixtures of inherited material. Or the other sites of habitation may not have survived at all, which seems likely.
Yeah my initial assumption is either that the cave closer to the denisovan cave (which they had a hard time getting sample results from) May yield some individuals with denisovan dna, or that denisovan women were more like orangutans than chimps and did not have the same female dispersal that Neanderthals did, leading to Neanderthal dna entering their community but denisovan dna staying put
@@SupahTrunks7 yea even among human populations it's dependant on culture wether males or females are the ones to disperse. chimpanzees and bonobos are closely related, yet chimps have female dispersal and bonobos have male dispersal. just makes sense it would vary between homo species or even just different cultural groups within the same species.
Right when I am in the middle of reading Angela Saini's new book! I am wowed by your relevance always, seeing how you talk about ancient stuff. Way to go! Keep following your passions, we are here for it. Hooray for a busy wife, but busy kids? I am imagining toddlers innlittle power outfits with briefcases babbling on bluetooth earpieces
excellent video, once again. thank you! i actually got a little tear in my eye when you revealed that there was a genetic connection between those two communities. it's not often we get such a glimpse into prehistory. beautiful.
Having the benefit of your interest to share this amazing discovery and others but your questions most particular that bring so much detail to this subject tjen how you introduce it then bring out the meaning, I will always have appreciation to be able to expand my understanding....
I studied genetics in college in the 70's. It has gone so far, but some of the terms and concepts are the same. I didn't pursue the field so I don't follow much of this so well. Fact is we are part Neanderthal. It could actually be one of our best parts, who knows? Given that we both share so great a part of our DNA with Chimpanzees, we're getting down to fine distinctions here.
im a 24/7 stoner..but im also huge into history and pre history and your videos are awesome! very updated sources and good editing and always something new! congrats dude! 🎉
There is a series of fictional stories about a Homo Sapien female orphan brought up by a Neanderthal clan in the Crimea. One book in the series is named "Clan of the Cave Bear." Interesting that an old fictional story matches so well geographically
Every answer poses more questions. Not frustrating...much, but the best kind of science discovery quest. I'm with you on this Stephan. It's more fascinating, and motivating, that anything else, really. Great video!
Amazing work! Found your youtube recently and binged the hell out of it. The comment about how a family tree really humanizes their lives, and the reason why hyena dna would be entangled were so great!
It's interesting and yes, the father-daughter connectino definitely makes thme seem more... real, I guess? More familiar. I hope we'll eventually learn more about their family structures, possibly some traditions etc.
Hominids of every discovered variety likely experienced a rise and fall, Golden age etc. Mathematical geneticists suggest that most of us today are descended from just a handful of humans four thousand years ago. Finding remains in caves could be just survivors from a catastrophic event, experiencing a downfall in their lives and evolutionary history. These catastrophes happened more often than we know and wiped out all traces of humanity except those lucky few who managed somehow to live on.
Well, it's really only 3:39, but you guessed it pretty close. Fascinating stuff - genealogical reality. I'm a 3.6% Neand, and I miss my Denisovan sweetheart from eons ago. This is as romantic as an Omeleto short film.
Thank you! It's always amazing to see that the more me find out, the more find out how little we know. Every new piece of research just adds to the complexity of the puzzle.
Hi @Stefan Milo,I'm thinking that Neanderthals could have been wiped out by Homo Sapiens due to specific diseases, just like it happened to native Americans when they were contacted by Europeans and were decimated by smallpox. Do you know about any scientific studies about this potential cause of of extinction of the Neanderthals?
Fascinating discussion as always, Stefan, and the production quality of your videos only gets better each time! Does the genetic data you illustrated beginning @18:35 also suggest that only male Neanderthal-Sapiens hybrids were fertile?
That's really amazing. It would make sense that they were depositing their dead there. And if they lived somewhere else nearby, there might be evidence of that. I can't wait for more research to be done.
Incredible video. I don't understand people who don't find this fascinating, my imagination goes wild hearing about the lives of these individuals from so long ago
I would be very curious to find out if the inhabitants of these caves who were interred together ever show any signs of perimortem violence. People rarely die at the same time, and even if they do, there is always someone else around to bury them. That these bones were gnawed on by a hyena, shows that they were either unburied or at best shoddily buried. Thus, we have unburied bones, interred at the same time. This , to me implies this could be the leftovers of inter group warfare where someone killed a family unit, and left them
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Maybe they had meet ups or festivals where young folk could meet. I'm sure they travelled alot if they were hunter gatherers. If we wonder what happened to them - we only have to look at our own behaviour with all other species and other humans to realize that what happened to them likely was pretty violent.
I completely agree with this. It is not unreasonable to assume that they had religious, spiritual and festive practices that would spread much further than 75km - With varying practices from clan to clan. The exchange of young would also seek to ensure that the relation between all the individual Neanderthal Tribes would remain strong, despite far distances, so that if hunters from two clans met each other they would know of them. It's like meeting someone on a night out, who goes to your sister's school, you automatically trust them just a bit more because there is that link. My personal theory as to why there are so many bodies in caves, is that it was indeed a burial site but also a general place to hide from the elements in harsh weather conditions. Burying the dead in one corner would leave a lot of the cave usable without worrying too much about stepping on bodies. This would protect their dead against hyenas and other scavengers, especially if they often used the mouth of the cave as a camp site or primitive village. But thats just my own theories from the information given lol.
That's really common among later H. sapiens hunter-gatherer groups. For young people to find mates. To swap stories and lore. To pass on newly learned things. Boast and show off. Interesting to think how sapiens fit into those traditions when they first showed up. Did they see each other as different competitors at the start? Or did small bands of sapiens also meet up and interact with these small bands of neanderthals, much like they did with each other? I'm not sure though why they think all these people were from the same community? Obviously the closely related ones were, but the others? Why couldn't multiple bands have moved through the same area at different times of the year? Or even centuries apart?
I am just happy that the thumbnail titles "Neanderthal Grandma??" and showcases mostly Stefan's face. Yes Stefan, you are an awesome neanderthal grandma, no question mark needed! :)
You earned a subscription for accurately guessing that I am watching at 4AM. 🤣Alas, not high though. 😵💫 I really like your style, Stefan - very casual and conversational, but still managing to get the hard data across, with no sense of dumbing it down. I guess like most others who watch your vids, I'm fascinated by the story of human origins. It's become very clear in the last few decades that the old 'branching tree' model that I learned back in the 70s/80s is seriously flawed. Instead there has been a lot of crossover and reintegration between the branches. I wonder if it's becoming a bit inaccurate to think of Neanderthals/Denisovans/'Modern humans'/others as being different 'species'? Perhaps it would be more correct to think of us as subspecies of some overarching whole? I mean, we kept shagging each other throughout our evolution, apparently whenever we got a chance. Maybe we should be known collectively as the Horny Apes? As I said, not high but definitely tired, so probably writing nonsense at this stage. 😎 Again: really interesting stuff, thanks for taking the time to share with us.
you are completly right in that its "inaccurate to think of Neanderthals/Denisovans/'Modern humans'/others as being different 'species" - since the word species usually means not being able to interbreed, which is why you wont hear Stefan say the word species, he just calls them all humans, homonids or archaic humans
This makes me wonder if Neanderthals had some character differences from the early Homo sapiens? Things like were they more introverted for example? Or were they basically the same people as we are now?
Another possibility to consider to explain the 10x Mitochondiral diversity compared to the Y Chromosome could be a scenario siilar to what prevails in an Elk herd. You have a Dominant male Buck and a Harem of females. It could also be that females were traded between tribal groups (if they had something like tribes).
I really like what you do on this channel, like, you explain complex stuff really well at a level I'm able to understand ...I'm super curious to learn about ancient humans, how they lived, what did they feel, how did they think etc, but I'm not a genius, I can't understand like, scientific papers lol ^^;; so thanks, really cool video, it's really interresting to think about neandertal women moving around in between groups!
Just wanted to point out that though I stumbled on this channel during my 4am insomnia atks, I've now become an avid viewer and watch your videos on more "sober" hours. Cheers
This is great! Thank you so much for taking the time to decipher the data for us. You really made it come alive. Sounds like the Denisovan's women didn't wander lol, I hope there are updates in the future
I figure the problems with inbreeding were long known so efforts were made to reduce such incidences. One can imagine distant tribes meeting at some time during a season to have "exchange marriages" to mix up the DNA. While it's a guess on my part, this seems doable. Also, I could see the wildly spread Polynesians doing something of the same thing.
The female movements/migrations make very much sense to me. In my country, it's always the women who are married out of the village and men always stay at the village. This has been the custom for a very long time. I always wondered why it came to be so... but when I heard that Neanderthals had more female gentetical movement, everything started to fall into place. Maybe I am wrong, but I think this is the pattern in most of the settled type of civilizations/populations. Nomads are an exception tho
Not in fishing villages. Stray sailors from all over the world would turn up, as crew or castaways, and settle down usually with a widow. (Or have a brief weekend fling.) For often the village men would die at sea or find a home and wife in another port and never come home. There has been a fair bit of genetic work showing the genetic lines of the women in fishing villages were often stable for centuries and the male genetics came from all over.
@nerowolfga8543 again, it makes sense for fishing villages. Fishing means they are near a water body. Usually a river or a sea. So obviously many people will migrate out and many people will migrate in. I was talking about landlocked or non Fishing/trade hub societies.
thousands of years of men selling women like cattle, claming they're subhumans to be traded off for commercial and social alliances as they please, will do that. in most cultures around the world men have abused their superior physical strength, creating patrifocal societies with strong male alliances, while women were constantly uprooted and thrown into new communities, unable to form strong intergenerational bonds, being too busy trying to appease their new group. that was beneficial for men, chimps operate the same, their groups are unstable and aggressive because of that, constantly "at war" with other groups of chimps (sounds familiar?). bonobos are matrifocal with male dispersal and much more peaceful, bc the males are less likely to band together and form aggressive groups with unrelated strangers. I've read humans used to be matrifocal, which honestly makes more sense. from a reproductive standpoints females are more valuable, why would you endanger them by sending them off to a stranger group taht may or may not kill her, or she might get attacked by animals on the way to the new territory. male dispersal is just less risky for everyone involved, but well you can't build patrilineal dynasties with this system, which human males became obsessed about at some point in pre history.
I would love to somehow meet and learn about these long gone people, they're so fascinating.. I'd love to know more about their culture, about the things we could never figure out from just looking at bones.
I've always been more interested in the day-to-day lives and cultural beliefs of extinct hominids, much more than the "big picture" kinds of information that tends to be all that can be verified when we only have bones to deal with. A scarce amount of bones, too.
Another great video! Truly human history is a "headscratcher". Especially knowing about all these female movements. Now I wonder whether they did what's known as "bride kidnapping". I am not trying to portray them as "brutal beasts" but the tradition is still known in the Central Asia and some other pirametes are known to do that.
I have never forgotten the story of a Anglo-Saxon princess married off to a Rus prince in the early 900's to cement a trade agreement. She was fourteen. She was first despised because she did not speak the language (and her husband did not speak Anglo-Saxon) and her clothes and manners were so different. However when the women saw her stitching in the Anglo-Saxon style (which is considered by art historians the highest form of needlework of the period in Europe) she was accepted. She taught the women the embroidery which still, even now, has traces of the style. Her Russian was never good, but she and her husband had five children.
I've been waiting for this! You're so good at these kinds of videos, Stefan! Sitting back to soak it all in, now. On an unrelated (but very important) note, please, please take time to tell your loved ones you love them EVERY chance you get. Tomorrow is not a given; you're never promised the next sunrise. ~ ~ ~ ~ "And don't let it break your heart. I know it feels hopeless sometimes. But they're never really gone as long as there's a memory in your mind." _Hold On To Memories_ Dave Draiman, Disturbed 💔💔 07 Jan 1984 - 02 Aug 2023 Rest in Peace, Matthew. Momma will miss you every day of my life! 😢
Great episode as usual. Dr Skov's voice reminds me of Prof. Heinz Wolff from 'The Great Egg Race' on British TV - anyone else old enough to remember him?
Responding to the lack of denisovan admixture in the other caves, I wonder if it could also maybe be that our genetic picture of denisovans is not accurate enough to discern such admixture? Or maybe denisovans were fairly uncommon in the area or close to extinction on the whole, and just happened to appear in Denisova cave but didn't have the numbers to make an imprint on the wider population. Of course though it's hard to discern any explanation from "the other caves just thought denisovans were smelly" or some other arbitrary/cultural reasoning. I also always wonder how complete of a picture looking at caves can give us. Maybe there were other communities in the area but above ground or in other places that don't preserve as well. Maybe the people who lived in caves were the weirdos while everywhere else neanderthals and denisovans got down and dirty with glee.
What made you believe it's older than that? Neanderthal DNA ... the fact that we can still sequence it with enough precision to make any conclusion about the connection between "homo sapiens" and "neanderthal man" points to a much younger age of the specimen than is suggested. When I look at these skulls, I see the remains of human beings. We all descend from Noah and his sons and daughters-in-law, and ultimately from Adam and Eve. Don't be fooled by the "wise scientists" with their "millions of years" that they need to explain God away. Repent and read the Bible.
Ever notice the Bible also says "He changes times and seasons"? Gods time is eternal, so yes the 6000 club is dumb, just adding numbers but not giving God absolute power over time? What is longer than everlasting to everlasting?
@@BenSmith-jw8zy "we" take the 6000 years from reading God's word in a natural way. Yes God is outside time, but in His word, He tells us He made day and night and the lights in the sky and the seasons for us, so that we have regularity and predictability and can be productive (genesis 1 and 2). He did manipulate time (or rather, the movement of earth and all other celestial bodies) after creation week at some moments as a sign/miracle. But the general rule is that everything is stable and predictable, like all the natural laws that He made. If you read the bible it's all quite clear really.
Time is NOT. 1000 years is a day and a day is as a 1000 years, the 70 weeks of daniel means 490+ years? Im not arguing the prophecies are spot on sometimes, and we definitely have the technology for a mark of the beast now, which even 40 years ago seemed crazy, but I think units of time in the Bible are far different than what we observe now, because things like a nation being destoryed in an "hour" ive heard pastors say that means a day and others say its literal. Its very hard to draw absolutes from text as everyone is going to have a slightly different interpretation of what they read, which i guess is good as long as it doesnt cause strife hate and division. the main message of loving others as long as its possible is the most important thing, and trying to live with a clean conscience, which ive had to "reset" quite a few times as it is difficult to truly live as morally as the Bible asks us to. Of course, thats my opinion lol@@sandorrabe5745
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First off, it's only 3:25am...
STEFAN, CHEESE AND RICE (jesus christ), cheese and rice my friend... YOU LIKE thinking about deep thoughts while affected by mind altering substances?!?!?!?!? GUESS WHAT? Our ancient ancestors did too also and this is exactly what has led us humans to become "human" ......... I believe monkeys got high and that is part of the key to the piece of our evolution puzzle on intelligence... what are your thoughts on this subject? Now I'm not promoting everyone go out and get high. On the contrary I'm against it... But the RIGHT person witht he RIGHT drug unlocks miracles in the mind and allows him/her to think "outside of the box''............. please reply with your thoughts and maybe do a whole video on this?
Shout out to Orangután Women! I prefer Gibbons. I really hope Danubepithecus was our 5 million Gibbonlike Ancestor. Brachiation is so Romantic! Almost like flying!
I finished watching this at 3: 49 am. And yes, I am stoned.
@@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095 : Such minor differences often do exist between British English and American English.
As both a stoner and an archeology nerd I thank you doubly for all you do!
Isn't stoner just another name for an archaeology nerd? 🤣
no. one is an aged stoner, the other is a stone ager
@@jayarava
I too am an archeological nerd who is stoned watching this at 4:09 am
same here
My peoples!!
When this guest says "I'm glad you asked", I've never heard anyone say it and mean it so much 😂 Dude was soooo happy you asked ☺ I love hearing people that get to work in a field they are passionate about.
Absolutely that there is the stuff of a life well lived🎉
@ellenlewis9860 But the girls werent busy with the denisovans, only the Neanderthal boys, but you could be right it could've been bride kidnapping by the Neanderthal boys.
Well said
As a 4 am stoner, thanks for the bedtime story Dad.
Late night trips to Mars are my favorite
Stoners dream of the stone age. Their reasons are their own.
Right on, and likewise, mate. I'm hitting the hay connecting with my ape-like ancestors right now. This one guy, he says his name is Mok or something, says hello, I think, idk.
I second that 😂😂😂❤
Lighting it up, right now! Cheers 🦊.. Many thanks mister Millo!
I was unsure what to do in school, i took a bio anthro class, became super interested and saw this channel…snowball effect happened and now im majoring in anthropology
“No daughter of mine is going to marry a Denisovian.”
“But I love him dad. Ugh, you truly are a Neanderthal…”
Jokes aside, I hope someday we can collect enough data to better understand these relationships because this is absolutely fascinating.
And after thousands of year later, here we r...
The hybrids.
The boys.
The bastards.
@@rashmibhargav1343we dem Bois *proceeds to be slanky and stamina based*
But it was the women who moved. What was that about?
@@grovermartin6874they may have been forced by the males or traded
@@grovermartin6874 patrilocal culture?
I live all my life in the Iberian Peninsula, and since i am a child i always got fascinated by neanderthal man.
My father would bring me to a rock cliff sharp into the high sea to go swim and spear fish in a cave that would flood in the high tide, i remember crying before entering due to the noise of the waves and the dark cave, once inside, my old man sit me down and showed to me a place with a old fire and the deepest part of the cave is shutdown with metal bars, its written there that neanderthal man lived there, so as a child i thought they was the most brave humans ever "how could someone live in a cave and not be scared with the sea and water flooding"..... Only afther as a adult and thanks to awesome peopl like you mister Millo that i understand the geo changes and etc... Never stop... Many thanks...
That's awesome, your dad gave you the love for our hominin cousin
Nice!
What a great childhood memory!
It is so cool to think about the interplay and lives of these women who are related but lived in these caves that are 75km away from each other. You rock, Stefan!
Interesting to think about what happened so many years ago. Where the females taken as slaves in battle? Or did the cave dwellers meet seasonally or even less occasionally to trade females? Probably but not necessarily a Romeo & Juliet story.
They surley cant think about eachother too much bad if they sent their faughters to the others that much... or is this an ancient R&J story?
@@KaczyfunnyAnd if the women are moving around, possibly to mate and raise families of their own, that precludes inbreeding/incest.
75 km is really not that far on foot or by water. On the camino, a tough walk, 20 km per day is normal. But it is problematic for grandmothering.
They could have been stolen.
Not a stoner but i do love these videos when I’m chilling out at night and it is 3:45 am for me right now. Love your work, art, and curiosity, Stefan!
Stoners aren’t up at 4 am. They can’t stay awake that long. 😎✌️
I really love that you include original artwork. Shows the amount of care and collaboration that goes into this channel.
Yes! Agreed! 👍 💯
So long as we credit the artist
@@sharonhobbs4144he credits the artist in the outro. The artist is Ettore Mazza.
Your videos are great to watch at any time or day!
At age 63, I can't believe how much we have learned about ancient humans since I was first getting into science in grade school. It is the same with astronomy. Yes, I was one of those nerdy kids who loved science, then Jazz and reading Science Fiction.
Your channel keeps me up to date with recent archaeological discoveries. I also watch a Dutch woman's channel. Anton Petrov has a great science channel as well.
Amazing that so many Neanderthal individuals from the same cave have been found. And this is after excavating only 1/3 of the cave. The relationships between the individuals and how they relate to other populations are just fascinating and invaluable!
Here's a thought. Maybe they lived in 1 or 2 of the caves and buried their dead in the other.
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More like the cave collapsed on them while they were sleeping.
@@mtrest4 Hmm. Now I'm curious. I was thinking they said that the skeletons looked like they were intact at the time of death. But I could easily be remembering that from a different video. If the skeletons looked crushed at the time of death I'd say you were probably right. But I would think the archeologists would have come to that conclusion if they were crushed. Because it is a good thought.
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Not like that.
The cave entrance collapsed sealing them all in.
Maybe Denisovans lived in these cave and they were eating Neanderthals.
Great to see what a talented interviewer you’ve become, Stefan. Thanks for helping bring us all this knowledge.
I don't understand his glorifying of the mixing, which has been proven to be the cause of genetic problems, as "beautiful families." Sexual fantasies should remain OUT of scientific study.
Always enjoy your content! I really enjoy coverage of contemporary research and interviews of the actual researchers too!
Dear Mr. Milo I understand that my suggestion is controversial and not RUclips friendly. Nevertheless there is evidence that early hominids did things that we consider now as repulsive, e.g. eating and butchering other hominids.
This is why it got me thinking, when in our evolution did we "stop" engaging in non-consent sex and transition into consensual sex? Is ancient Greek Greco-Roman wrestling circumstantial evidence of how a early hominid like Ardi engaged in non-consent sex? Is the concept of sports/olympics derived from our evolutionary transition from non-consent sex to consensual sex and is there any correlation?
Did Lucy's mother stand on a hypothetical highway bent over hoping that primates get her first before the lions? Or was she dragged against her will to the trees by a passing male? Or was it something completely different? I understand that people may feel uncomfortable by these questions, but I'm not the architect of primate behavior. It is what it is.
Yes! I appreciate this so much.
I appreciate that you use stock footage that is as accurate as possible, and that you tell us when it’s different. Some channels don’t bother with that which can be annoying and potentially deceptive.
I'm high, it's 2.21am but I certainly didn't stumble here by chance. You are the man, thanks for another great video.
I just got back onto the whole pre-history wagon the last week and a half and I've learned so much.
It's amazing, these pre-people existed. They had some sort of dynamic, definitely understood that they needed to be near each other to survive, and left an imprint that we today are still trying to understand.
It's amazing, I don't think I'll ever get tired of learning more about our beginning.
100 degrees here in Oregon. I wet myself down and am in the hammock in the shade ready to listen to this!
I'm in the second hottest place in Oregon, but in my cool, dark basement.
I like your aesthetic sense as well as your depth of coverage, stef. So, thanks for doing that for me specifically.
i really just love this channel it is such good quality and you're such a great host! i love the way the video progresses to make us ask questions the same way you did. What a great interview too - such a great video Stefan!
I am so happy you were never a professor or mine or I would have gone down the Ancient Homo Sapien Archaeology rabbit hole. I'm a retired sea captain, now, getting a pension and enjoying your videos.
Very much enjoy your skill to contextualise things further for us beyond the scientific articles findings and your interviews. Thanks for the storytelling.
the image of a neanderthal man and his daughter 60,000 years ago and on another continent, speaking an unknown language, whose lives are otherwise absolutely lost to history, yet who shared love between one another and had their little moments and nicknames like all parents and children do nowadays, just had me tear up, ngl
I have no problem imagining this. The words they spoke were likely precursors of the ones we use today, and their love was universal and timeless. It's okay to anthropomorphize them, because they were people.
@@darko714no they weren’t. They weren’t our ancestors, and weren’t able of complex speech, they had the speech of a 2 year old human child. They were a different species, which emerged 300 000 years before us. So when we emerged they were already here since 300th years, so they could not be the same species. They were hominid, not humans.
There's evidence that anatomically modern humans evolved more than 300,000 years ago (at least if the dating of remains found at Jebel Irhoud in Morocco is accurate). There's also evidence that their Neanderthal and Denisovan cousins, while anatomically distinct, were able to and did breed with the humans, which strongly suggests that they were not a separate species at all. However, perhaps I went a bit far in speculating that their language had evolved to a fairly advanced state. @@Cobalt1520
It’s not known whether Neanderthals possessed the language faculty, but it’s thought probably not from what’s known of linguistics.
They literally have Valuev & Treshkova in russian Duma, and judging by these Neanderthals, they were not capable of human emotions or thought.
There is also the seldom studied X-chromosome lineage (non-recombinable segment). From memory now (if someone is interested, I can document further) there seems to be one such X-DNA lineage from Neanderthals and (IMO) it is the same that was previously found to be most divergent from the others and found most concentrated in some specific populations such as Basques, Gujaratis or Native Americans. It was labeled B006.
X-DNA lineages can come from either side, let's not assume it is matrilineal just because women have two X chromosomes and men inherit our X-chr from our mums (but the non-recombinable segment can be from her mum or her dad). In fact, in a study in coastal Colombia, X-DNA documented the repeated arrival of waves of European male settlers, unlike mtDNA, which was fundamentally aboriginal and documented that almost no female settlers arrived instead.
Certainly seems like an interesting way to parse between purely matrilineal and patrilineal inheritance and ease out patterns over pairs of generations (grandfather to grandchild). Good stuff
I'd watch
Just for the record, I mentioned this issue of X-DNA haplotype B006 being possibly of Neanderthal origin in my old blog: forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com/2011/01/is-x-dna-lineage-neanderthal.html
Great work Stefan. It is nice to have someone who knows something to start with put this new information together, contextualize it, and ask good questions of the author of this new paper. OK, go ahead and wake me up at 4:00 AM when you get something else like this.
Stefan, do you remember the match we had at Wimbledon? That was a banger for sure. Your match point ace was unreal. If only I could have returned that serve, that ball boy would still have his right hand. Don’t blame yourself, he never should have tried to catch it on the bounce. It’s not your fault. Paying for his medical bills with your winnings was a super classy move though. ‘97 was one hell of a year!
Thanks Stefan. Stoners like me have been watching you for years taking us deep into this story of our own past, keeping the imagination wandering on these different times... And the chance of it all leading up to the current time and our existence is just mind boggling.
My favourite Natural history Channel strikes again! Great work Stefan.
As a stoner from the same uni who has recently left a pretty good career to follow my true passion I have so much respect for someone who in the archeology community, which let's be real is tragically an underpaid area, has put the work into making something out of their passion. It's truly inspiring! Keep up the work Stefan!
thank you for your hard work to bring such facinating information forward.
I don’t know why, but the total population sizes of Neanderthal and other prehistoric human types had never occurred to me before as a significant factor in the genetic successes and failures of the different branches of our ancestors. The rapid changes to the genome that takes an individual away from the genetic ideal of its species within something like a couple of generations of inbreeding could explain so much 🤯. Thanks for facilitating this discussion.
shout out to all the other 4 am stoners
Have you ever heard of or played the game Ancestors: The Humankind Odyssey? You start the game as the unknown Last Common Ancestor. From there you start evolving towards the genus Homo by learning things like bipedal walking, becoming an omnivore, building bonds between clan members and having children that have advanced genetic mutations like being able to eat meat with little to no sickness. You go from the jungle and the trees to the savannah and desert. It's just a really cool way to visually see and experience what our earliest ancestors had to deal with. I'm not much of a gamer but this game really catches my interest. Highly recommend.
Thanks!
The editing here was top notch! Really enjoyed this video. Thanks Mr. Milo and Dr. Skov!
Big fan of your channel Stefan! Thank you for making accessible videos that allow sci-curious folk like me to dive into an otherwise mysterious field of research.
It's 4 am somewhere. Your videos are the perfect set and setting for entertainment and education.
I think that the sample size could be relatively small. There could very well be other sites in the region with individuals possessing different mixtures of inherited material. Or the other sites of habitation may not have survived at all, which seems likely.
Yeah my initial assumption is either that the cave closer to the denisovan cave (which they had a hard time getting sample results from) May yield some individuals with denisovan dna, or that denisovan women were more like orangutans than chimps and did not have the same female dispersal that Neanderthals did, leading to Neanderthal dna entering their community but denisovan dna staying put
@@SupahTrunks7 yea even among human populations it's dependant on culture wether males or females are the ones to disperse. chimpanzees and bonobos are closely related, yet chimps have female dispersal and bonobos have male dispersal. just makes sense it would vary between homo species or even just different cultural groups within the same species.
This is a great, information-packed episode. So much to learn. Many thanks, Stefan.
Q: What is the definition of a Neanderthal virgin? A: A girl who can out-run her brothers.
That was a real breakthrough find and study. Thank you to bring it out in this funny yet professional manner.
"Being eaten by hyenas is a certifiable bummer" - Stefan Milo. Legendary .
They're scavengers tho
Right when I am in the middle of reading Angela Saini's new book! I am wowed by your relevance always, seeing how you talk about ancient stuff. Way to go! Keep following your passions, we are here for it.
Hooray for a busy wife, but busy kids? I am imagining toddlers innlittle power outfits with briefcases babbling on bluetooth earpieces
Awesome video! Thanks amigo!
excellent video, once again. thank you! i actually got a little tear in my eye when you revealed that there was a genetic connection between those two communities. it's not often we get such a glimpse into prehistory. beautiful.
Heck yeah! I can’t wait to watch this tonight!!! I always get excited when a new Stefan Milo video drops!! ❤
Having the benefit of your interest to share this amazing discovery and others but your questions most particular that bring so much detail to this subject tjen how you introduce it then bring out the meaning, I will always have appreciation to be able to expand my understanding....
I studied genetics in college in the 70's. It has gone so far, but some of the terms and concepts are the same. I didn't pursue the field so I don't follow much of this so well. Fact is we are part Neanderthal. It could actually be one of our best parts, who knows? Given that we both share so great a part of our DNA with Chimpanzees, we're getting down to fine distinctions here.
Correction a portion of our population share DNA with neanderthals. Africans don't share that DNA from what Stefan has said
im a 24/7 stoner..but im also huge into history and pre history and your videos are awesome! very updated sources and good editing and always something new! congrats dude! 🎉
Stefan, I found that video absolutely fascinating. I cant tell you how much I enjoyed it. Thank you.
There is a series of fictional stories about a Homo Sapien female orphan brought up by a Neanderthal clan in the Crimea. One book in the series is named "Clan of the Cave Bear." Interesting that an old fictional story matches so well geographically
To think 50 to 60 thousands years ago humans got to Australia and that native Australians have a really good amount of Denisovan DNA too.
Every answer poses more questions. Not frustrating...much, but the best kind of science discovery quest. I'm with you on this Stephan. It's more fascinating, and motivating, that anything else, really. Great video!
Jokes on you Stefan! It’s not 4am but I am stoned to the bone, and a huge archeology nerd! It’s like you knew I just put down the bong!
Stefan, I just have to say - I love your videos! You explain things so we’ll and keep it light but very informative and interesting! Thank you!
Amazing work! Found your youtube recently and binged the hell out of it. The comment about how a family tree really humanizes their lives, and the reason why hyena dna would be entangled were so great!
It's interesting and yes, the father-daughter connectino definitely makes thme seem more... real, I guess? More familiar. I hope we'll eventually learn more about their family structures, possibly some traditions etc.
This made my Tuesday!!! Always interesting and amazing work!
Thank you for helping us stay on top of what’s happening in academia on this topic. Love your videos.
I'm both in archaeology nerd, and high (and drunk). But it's not 4 a.m. how do I fit into your demographic? Love yer channel.
Need to change your clock .
Hominids of every discovered variety likely experienced a rise and fall, Golden age etc. Mathematical geneticists suggest that most of us today are descended from just a handful of humans four thousand years ago. Finding remains in caves could be just survivors from a catastrophic event, experiencing a downfall in their lives and evolutionary history. These catastrophes happened more often than we know and wiped out all traces of humanity except those lucky few who managed somehow to live on.
Well, it's really only 3:39, but you guessed it pretty close. Fascinating stuff - genealogical reality. I'm a 3.6% Neand, and I miss my Denisovan sweetheart from eons ago. This is as romantic as an Omeleto short film.
Thank you! It's always amazing to see that the more me find out, the more find out how little we know. Every new piece of research just adds to the complexity of the puzzle.
It's just so cool that we can learn all of these details from ancient bones, DNA is such an interesting form of science
Hi @Stefan Milo,I'm thinking that Neanderthals could have been wiped out by Homo Sapiens due to specific diseases, just like it happened to native Americans when they were contacted by Europeans and were decimated by smallpox.
Do you know about any scientific studies about this potential cause of of extinction of the Neanderthals?
I think this could have been a big cause of their extinction as well.
Fascinating discussion as always, Stefan, and the production quality of your videos only gets better each time! Does the genetic data you illustrated beginning @18:35 also suggest that only male Neanderthal-Sapiens hybrids were fertile?
I don't think he's saying that. Not 100% certain, though. But no, I don't get that from what he's showing as a family tree example.
Thanks for interpreting and relaying in an understandable way; I also liked your analysis and the questions which it raised for you.
That's really amazing. It would make sense that they were depositing their dead there. And if they lived somewhere else nearby, there might be evidence of that. I can't wait for more research to be done.
Incredible video. I don't understand people who don't find this fascinating, my imagination goes wild hearing about the lives of these individuals from so long ago
Loved it - thank you so much for this Stefan!
Best thing about being a stoner watching your videos is that i can watch the same video over and over again and still be amazed each time!
I would be very curious to find out if the inhabitants of these caves who were interred together ever show any signs of perimortem violence.
People rarely die at the same time, and even if they do, there is always someone else around to bury them.
That these bones were gnawed on by a hyena, shows that they were either unburied or at best shoddily buried.
Thus, we have unburied bones, interred at the same time. This , to me implies this could be the leftovers of inter group warfare where someone killed a family unit, and left them
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Maybe they had meet ups or festivals where young folk could meet. I'm sure they travelled alot if they were hunter gatherers. If we wonder what happened to them - we only have to look at our own behaviour with all other species and other humans to realize that what happened to them likely was pretty violent.
I completely agree with this. It is not unreasonable to assume that they had religious, spiritual and festive practices that would spread much further than 75km - With varying practices from clan to clan.
The exchange of young would also seek to ensure that the relation between all the individual Neanderthal Tribes would remain strong, despite far distances, so that if hunters from two clans met each other they would know of them. It's like meeting someone on a night out, who goes to your sister's school, you automatically trust them just a bit more because there is that link.
My personal theory as to why there are so many bodies in caves, is that it was indeed a burial site but also a general place to hide from the elements in harsh weather conditions. Burying the dead in one corner would leave a lot of the cave usable without worrying too much about stepping on bodies. This would protect their dead against hyenas and other scavengers, especially if they often used the mouth of the cave as a camp site or primitive village. But thats just my own theories from the information given lol.
That's really common among later H. sapiens hunter-gatherer groups. For young people to find mates. To swap stories and lore. To pass on newly learned things. Boast and show off.
Interesting to think how sapiens fit into those traditions when they first showed up. Did they see each other as different competitors at the start? Or did small bands of sapiens also meet up and interact with these small bands of neanderthals, much like they did with each other?
I'm not sure though why they think all these people were from the same community? Obviously the closely related ones were, but the others? Why couldn't multiple bands have moved through the same area at different times of the year? Or even centuries apart?
@@jeffmacdonald9863they said the bones were all from the same silt level.
WoW wht a bummer to consider tht. This connection with these ppl make me feel connected really.
As both an archeology nerd and a stoner, I greatly appreciate the call out. I feel seen
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Quality content as usual! Thanks Milo
I am just happy that the thumbnail titles "Neanderthal Grandma??" and showcases mostly Stefan's face. Yes Stefan, you are an awesome neanderthal grandma, no question mark needed! :)
You earned a subscription for accurately guessing that I am watching at 4AM. 🤣Alas, not high though. 😵💫
I really like your style, Stefan - very casual and conversational, but still managing to get the hard data across, with no sense of dumbing it down.
I guess like most others who watch your vids, I'm fascinated by the story of human origins.
It's become very clear in the last few decades that the old 'branching tree' model that I learned back in the 70s/80s is seriously flawed.
Instead there has been a lot of crossover and reintegration between the branches.
I wonder if it's becoming a bit inaccurate to think of Neanderthals/Denisovans/'Modern humans'/others as being different 'species'?
Perhaps it would be more correct to think of us as subspecies of some overarching whole?
I mean, we kept shagging each other throughout our evolution, apparently whenever we got a chance. Maybe we should be known collectively as the Horny Apes?
As I said, not high but definitely tired, so probably writing nonsense at this stage. 😎
Again: really interesting stuff, thanks for taking the time to share with us.
It wouldn't be possible to get to Homo sapiens without the horrible regular cataclysms which wiped the slate clean from time to time.
you are completly right in that its "inaccurate to think of Neanderthals/Denisovans/'Modern humans'/others as being different 'species" - since the word species usually means not being able to interbreed, which is why you wont hear Stefan say the word species, he just calls them all humans, homonids or archaic humans
Sapiens is the globalist word for AI connected to tech. @@gawkthimm6030
I’m a stoner and absolutely love your videos they make my imagination explode with ideas ♥️
This makes me wonder if Neanderthals had some character differences from the early Homo sapiens? Things like were they more introverted for example? Or were they basically the same people as we are now?
Such a fascinating content, such a first-rate presentation. Thanks again, Stefan! The quality of your channel is outstanding.
Another possibility to consider to explain the 10x Mitochondiral diversity compared to the Y Chromosome could be a scenario siilar to what prevails in an Elk herd. You have a Dominant male Buck and a Harem of females. It could also be that females were traded between tribal groups (if they had something like tribes).
Dude, this channel is perfection. You’re an excellent presenter. I hope this channel ends up buying you a house. Love the content.
I really like what you do on this channel, like, you explain complex stuff really well at a level I'm able to understand ...I'm super curious to learn about ancient humans, how they lived, what did they feel, how did they think etc, but I'm not a genius, I can't understand like, scientific papers lol ^^;; so thanks, really cool video, it's really interresting to think about neandertal women moving around in between groups!
Just wanted to point out that though I stumbled on this channel during my 4am insomnia atks, I've now become an avid viewer and watch your videos on more "sober" hours. Cheers
This is great! Thank you so much for taking the time to decipher the data for us. You really made it come alive. Sounds like the Denisovan's women didn't wander lol, I hope there are updates in the future
I figure the problems with inbreeding were long known so efforts were made to reduce such incidences. One can imagine distant tribes meeting at some time during a season to have "exchange marriages" to mix up the DNA. While it's a guess on my part, this seems doable. Also, I could see the wildly spread Polynesians doing something of the same thing.
The female movements/migrations make very much sense to me. In my country, it's always the women who are married out of the village and men always stay at the village. This has been the custom for a very long time. I always wondered why it came to be so... but when I heard that Neanderthals had more female gentetical movement, everything started to fall into place. Maybe I am wrong, but I think this is the pattern in most of the settled type of civilizations/populations. Nomads are an exception tho
Not in fishing villages. Stray sailors from all over the world would turn up, as crew or castaways, and settle down usually
with a widow. (Or have a brief weekend fling.) For often the village men would die at sea or find a home and wife in another port and never come home. There has been a fair bit of genetic work showing the genetic lines of the women in fishing villages were often stable for centuries and the male genetics came from all over.
@nerowolfga8543 again, it makes sense for fishing villages. Fishing means they are near a water body. Usually a river or a sea. So obviously many people will migrate out and many people will migrate in. I was talking about landlocked or non Fishing/trade hub societies.
thousands of years of men selling women like cattle, claming they're subhumans to be traded off for commercial and social alliances as they please, will do that. in most cultures around the world men have abused their superior physical strength, creating patrifocal societies with strong male alliances, while women were constantly uprooted and thrown into new communities, unable to form strong intergenerational bonds, being too busy trying to appease their new group.
that was beneficial for men, chimps operate the same, their groups are unstable and aggressive because of that, constantly "at war" with other groups of chimps (sounds familiar?). bonobos are matrifocal with male dispersal and much more peaceful, bc the males are less likely to band together and form aggressive groups with unrelated strangers.
I've read humans used to be matrifocal, which honestly makes more sense. from a reproductive standpoints females are more valuable, why would you endanger them by sending them off to a stranger group taht may or may not kill her, or she might get attacked by animals on the way to the new territory. male dispersal is just less risky for everyone involved, but well you can't build patrilineal dynasties with this system, which human males became obsessed about at some point in pre history.
I more blown away by how you drew almost perfect circle
Love your work! Cheers!
Cool topic! Great video
Quite amazing! You are a great science communicator, keep it up.
I would love to somehow meet and learn about these long gone people, they're so fascinating.. I'd love to know more about their culture, about the things we could never figure out from just looking at bones.
I've always been more interested in the day-to-day lives and cultural beliefs of extinct hominids, much more than the "big picture" kinds of information that tends to be all that can be verified when we only have bones to deal with. A scarce amount of bones, too.
Behavioral differences prevent hybridization quite often. Tiger sexy is a little different than lion sexy.
My guess is that the stubby chinless Neanderthals of both sexes thought the tall lean Homo sapiens were smokin hot !!
"Our dating methods are just not accurate enough" - and that's why I can't get a gf
Another great video! Truly human history is a "headscratcher". Especially knowing about all these female movements. Now I wonder whether they did what's known as "bride kidnapping". I am not trying to portray them as "brutal beasts" but the tradition is still known in the Central Asia and some other pirametes are known to do that.
I have never forgotten the story of a Anglo-Saxon princess married off to a Rus prince in the early 900's to cement a trade agreement. She was fourteen. She was first despised because she did not speak the language (and her husband did not speak Anglo-Saxon) and her clothes and manners were so different. However when the women saw her stitching in the Anglo-Saxon style (which is considered by art historians the highest form of needlework of the period in Europe) she was accepted. She taught the women the embroidery which still, even now, has traces of the style.
Her Russian was never good, but she and her husband had five children.
Caves were frequently the perfect graveyards (sacred ground) for a village for thousands of years. We only stopped this practice in the modern era.
I've been waiting for this! You're so good at these kinds of videos, Stefan! Sitting back to soak it all in, now.
On an unrelated (but very important) note, please, please take time to tell your loved ones you love them EVERY chance you get. Tomorrow is not a given; you're never promised the next sunrise.
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Rest in Peace, Matthew. Momma will miss you every day of my life! 😢
I'm sorry for your loss, made sure to tell my mama I love her extra tonight
Great episode as usual. Dr Skov's voice reminds me of Prof. Heinz Wolff from 'The Great Egg Race' on British TV - anyone else old enough to remember him?
Responding to the lack of denisovan admixture in the other caves, I wonder if it could also maybe be that our genetic picture of denisovans is not accurate enough to discern such admixture? Or maybe denisovans were fairly uncommon in the area or close to extinction on the whole, and just happened to appear in Denisova cave but didn't have the numbers to make an imprint on the wider population. Of course though it's hard to discern any explanation from "the other caves just thought denisovans were smelly" or some other arbitrary/cultural reasoning.
I also always wonder how complete of a picture looking at caves can give us. Maybe there were other communities in the area but above ground or in other places that don't preserve as well. Maybe the people who lived in caves were the weirdos while everywhere else neanderthals and denisovans got down and dirty with glee.
Wonderful discussion, presentation and artwork! Thanks again.
And to think people have this crazy idea the planet's only 6k years old, so silly. Amazing information man, thank you.
What made you believe it's older than that? Neanderthal DNA ... the fact that we can still sequence it with enough precision to make any conclusion about the connection between "homo sapiens" and "neanderthal man" points to a much younger age of the specimen than is suggested. When I look at these skulls, I see the remains of human beings. We all descend from Noah and his sons and daughters-in-law, and ultimately from Adam and Eve. Don't be fooled by the "wise scientists" with their "millions of years" that they need to explain God away. Repent and read the Bible.
Ever notice the Bible also says "He changes times and seasons"? Gods time is eternal, so yes the 6000 club is dumb, just adding numbers but not giving God absolute power over time? What is longer than everlasting to everlasting?
@@BenSmith-jw8zy "we" take the 6000 years from reading God's word in a natural way. Yes God is outside time, but in His word, He tells us He made day and night and the lights in the sky and the seasons for us, so that we have regularity and predictability and can be productive (genesis 1 and 2). He did manipulate time (or rather, the movement of earth and all other celestial bodies) after creation week at some moments as a sign/miracle. But the general rule is that everything is stable and predictable, like all the natural laws that He made. If you read the bible it's all quite clear really.
Time is NOT. 1000 years is a day and a day is as a 1000 years, the 70 weeks of daniel means 490+ years? Im not arguing the prophecies are spot on sometimes, and we definitely have the technology for a mark of the beast now, which even 40 years ago seemed crazy, but I think units of time in the Bible are far different than what we observe now, because things like a nation being destoryed in an "hour" ive heard pastors say that means a day and others say its literal. Its very hard to draw absolutes from text as everyone is going to have a slightly different interpretation of what they read, which i guess is good as long as it doesnt cause strife hate and division. the main message of loving others as long as its possible is the most important thing, and trying to live with a clean conscience, which ive had to "reset" quite a few times as it is difficult to truly live as morally as the Bible asks us to. Of course, thats my opinion lol@@sandorrabe5745