Why The EV Critics Continue To Miss The Point
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- Опубликовано: 21 май 2024
- It's not difficult - you just search for the articles and read them. Yet for many EV critics, that's just too much effort. That's why I wasn't surprised to see people yet again miss the point when I commented on BP's attempt to buy the Tesla Supercharger network. So what's really going on? Stick around as Dave Takes It On.
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I must be a Wally, everyone says don't get an EV and I did, I didn't listen to anyone and I'm happy in my wallyworld
With you bro.
I bought a v6 f type because I don’t want to fall asleep at the wheel
@@mikeolly67 Well, if that's a problem that you often have you should buy an EV. My Renault Mégane shouts at me if I start driving erratically and tells me to take a break. Just one of the multitude of safety features that EVs are packed with. And neither is it boring to drive either. Again, like all EVs, instant acceleration, and, in sports mode, it's just as nippy as most cars that I have ever had.
@@brianbarcroft9167 you obviously don’t understand the adrenaline rush and drama of a real car. As long as I’ve got 2 bollocks hanging between my legs I’ll never be convinced to part with my hard earned on an iPhone on wheels
It's difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on not understanding it.
My issue with that video is that some of your comments were manifestly wrong. In the opening stages you said that BP Pulse had no experience of locating sites, dealing with DNOs, planning permissions etc and that they were putting chargers on their existing forecourts. This is not correct. BP Pulse do have teams working on identifying sites, they do deal with all of the necessary arrangements to get them installed and like other charger providers (including Tesla) they then work with various contractors and sub-contractors to do the installs.
BP Pulse have for some time now been working with Local Authorities to install chargers on public car parks, they also have sites elsewhere that they have brought forward with land owners, I used one in Tamworth the other day (spending some of my free credit that came with my insurance) and was getting around 120kW from one of units in a 10 bay site, close to KFC but not a BP forecourt in sight.
As for BP buying out Tesla chargers, my interpretation of the original Bloomberg report was that BP Pulse were looking to pick up the Tesla sites that had stalled when the supercharger team were fired, this makes sense as much of the hard work had been done so all they would have had to do is bring in their own branded devices.
I just don't understand why the small minority of EV hates feel the need to troll the Internet trying to put down & spread misinformation about something just because they've decided they don't want one, I have no personal interest in buying women's sanitary products but I don't waste my time & everyone else's trying to persuade other people not to go out and buy them.
I don’t condone it, but I can understand it, especially when people perceive EVs as a threat to their livelihoods etc. Some are clearly on the payroll of the fossil fuel industry.
People do not understand EVs and I like it that way. Once there is enough EVs on the road the government will TAX them. Please spread the word that EVs are rubbish. I pay 5% on my EV fuel. I want to keep it that way for as long as possible. No petrol, no tax for the government, how do you think that they will fill the black hole? EVs are rubbish do not get one, or I will end up paying through the nose for mine.
They have all owned a cheap laptop that had a nicad battery that lost it’s useful life in a year, so don’t try to convince them that today’s batteries are a different animal because they have personal experience even though it was totally different technology….
@@keithdenton8386As EV's are more expensive than their ICE equivalent then the government already get extra money through VAT. And of course come 2025 VED applies to EV's
Governments arnt forcing people to buy women’s sanitary products, and the manufacturers of women’s sanitary products don’t lie about the product’s capabilities. Also , women’s sanitary products won’t set the path for restriction of movement and a cashless society.
Dave, to quote Alfred “Some men just want to watch the world burn”
Agree with you Dave, can't argue with zeolots/fanatics they are not worth the effort. Please just don't waste you time keep doing what you do rather than waste effort on them
Excellently put Dave. These are the types of videos that makes me excited on getting my first EV. Keep up the good work 😊
You'll learn when you've helped the UN to do away with all personal transport.
@@thisisnumber0 its all a conspiracy
@@TheWinstn60 Well spotted. For more detail, view the websites of the UN, the World Economic Forum and C40 Cities Organisation. They even state their ambition to eliminate air travel.
You omitted theory, so I assume you know it's fact and all in black and white.
Just make sure you lease it and don’t buy it
I used to listen to Dave Ramsey's podcast. I learned from him a saying that seems fitting to your observation of The Critics: "Those convinced against their will are of the same opinion still." There's no getting through to some people that are more committed to holding their own *opinions* as facts rather than being willing to learn something.
Most deniers are imitating US and Australian blogs that all feed off each other. Best to ignore them while maintaining your own integrity. Keep up your great work. It’s well appreciated.
Dave the problem isn't just with EV information. There are a lot of people on (anti) social media who comment on subjects that they know very little about and they will not let FACTS get in the way of their biased views. You read it every day, So don't take it personally these idiots just don't know any different and should be pitted. There is a big difference in having a difference of opinion and dogma IMHO.
I don't think BP wanting to buy the Tesla network has anything to do with their ability to install chargers. They are quite capable of organising and getting contractors to do work on large infrastructure projects.
The real reason is because Tesla is the only network trying to push down prices and BP wants to keep them as high as possible to keep profits up longterm to keep the shareholders happy.
I admire Dave's metal in handling these so called haters. I would have had a heart attack by now..
Having worked in the lubricants business for 40 years, Castrol then BP, this is the way they work - everything is contracted out. BP simply doesn't have enough staff to do it all.
I bought the Kia Niro EV its simply the best car I've ever owned. My misses stuggles with technology, so doing a lot of things on the touch screen, as I assume you do with a Tesla (please correct me if I'm wrong), would have been a nightmare for her.
But do keep going Dave, I enjoy your posts!
The BP Pulse charger I use regularly was installed relatively recently (within the last year) and the highest I've managed to pull from it was 110KW when my battery was at 28% state of charge just this week. It usually averages out around 60KW and unless i'm going for 100% state of charge for a long trip, I can get to 80 in approximately 20 minutes which is plenty of time to pop into the local starbucks across from the garage and get a coffee whilst I wait.
They claim they can do 150KW but I've never seen it go that high, even though I'm well aware my Ioniq 5 can do up to and above 250KW because of the fast charge tech installed.
That said, I agree with you that BP are trying to take the easy way out, cut down the cost of hiring an external to install and maintain their own chargers by buying an already established network complete with its own maintenance teams and knowhow.
As for the EV Critics, people are quick to type a gut reaction to videos when it comes to comments and dont spend the time to research before they answer, it's unfortunately a common problem with the internet and I wouldn't pay them no mind.
I've learned a lot about EV's and chargers in general and it's always a pleasure to see how much joy you get out of making these videos so keep doing what you're doing Dave, ignore the haters!
Bp pulse is very expensive to use.
I got a peak of around 120kW from a BP Pulse unit with my Ioniq 5. I had set it in the satnav so the battery pre-conditioning was on. My total charge was only around 12 minutes though so it didn't last long.
As for BP buying out Tesla, I don't think that was right, I think they were only looking at the stalled sites. Bloomberg said they had around $1bn to spend, a quick Google search says the Tesla Supercharger network has a turnover of around $1.74bn a year and a worth estimated to be around $100bn so there was no way BP was going to acquire the whole network for the $1bn they were planning on spending.
@@anthonyboyle5078 It's the cheapest near me at £0.69p KW/H with a subscription, its not as cheap as Tesla or some other subs but I unfortunately do not have any nearby as the next nearest is £0.89p KW/H
So for my personal circumstance it's the best I can get near me.
Spot on Dave cheers mate
Thanks for the info
Well said Dave, we know how good EV's are and we know the data can prove most of the EV haters arsenal are based on are wrong. LFP batteries are now in more and more EV's and they don't burst into flames , EV's don't cause potholes, there are tons and tons of EV Chargers about. 3 years ago it was the odd 2 50 kWh chargers, now most have upgraded and you can find 10,20 or even 30 in some of these locations. Older EV's may charge slower but 45 minutes will do most of those, time for coffee and cake! Newer ones could be 20-25 minutes, so you may need to skip the food!
Great video Dave. Can can't do anything with these types.
Keep up the great work Dave your real life reviews are a great source of information
Fab video Dave, don’t stop
Well said Dave.
There are people who where convinced abs brakes cause accidents and that they could out brake any computer controlled system, they have probably found a new bone.
I remember when seat belts became mandatory to be worn and next morning, the media had stories of people who miraculously escaped from their vehicle because they weren't constrained by a seat belt. Jumping out of a car going over a cliff, every day occurrence for some it seemed.
@@user-sf9lj6dy6w Not sure where you're going with that? Aviation fuel, kerosene burns, just like petrol and diesel. Seems like a bad idea to me! :)
If the suggestion is that an EV battery burns like a jet engine, that would be odd since an EV battery isn't a safety system, hence the comparison makes no sense. Elabourate to bring us back on track?
@@user-sf9lj6dy6w Apart from your lack of understanding what paragraphs are, you know what they are right?
You've immediately jumped to your single instance of a T bone incident but don't seem to have viewed or considered all of the T bone crash testing and yet have assumed an outcome. Surely the Tesla that went of a cliff with the family of 4 inside should have immediately combusted at the first scratch yet they all survived and no fire.
Nor can we make an assumption that there's always time to get out of a fuel fire. Having been in a train crash that involved going through a diesel fireball, a crash which took 31 lives, I have my own experience too.
The list goes on. There are no perfect scenarios and there will always be edge cases, you know what they are right? I hope you don't mind me responding with a) readable paragraphs and b) the same level of withering condescention? ;)
@@user-sf9lj6dy6w Protecting the battery is a key objective in the design, just as fuel is. Both are subject to potential risk, being trapped or whatever. The idea that any impact or scratch results in a major fire is simply inaccurate.
Did you see the Trains in China that somersaulted multiple times, an absolute mess. It didn't burst into flame either and all survived.
It's pointless just continually trying to cherry pick either side of the argument as there's evidence for both.
Wait, what? Now we switch to an entirely different topic about copper?
Ok then let's switch again and discuss 340,000 deaths due to air pollution...
Stick on track.
@@user-sf9lj6dy6w The moment you go for the jab angle, I'll just pop you in the box with the other flat earthers. 🤡
I have 2 BP pulse forecourt chargers near me. They regularly output 100+kW.
I got a good friend like this. I just showed him a video of new battery technology being used in newer EVs, and he went into immediate defence lecture of ICE and accused me of trying to force EV onto him. I just showed him a 75 second video I thought was cool technology that showed some of the new batteries don't explode as bad.... I don't even own an EV.
@user-sf9lj6dy6w lol. Wow all that crap over me showing a friend a battery video and him over reacting like a conspiracy nutter, just like you!
Great video Dave
You are great
As an EV driver of three years i can see why some people get irate at EV's. If you own an ICE car the vast majority of drivers have to fill up at a petrol station. EV driver/owners fall into two categories. Those that can charge at home and those that can't. A lot of sanctimonious comments come from the charge at home brigade. Why we need to know they can charge overnight at 8p per kw i dont know. Smacks of bragging. That can piss others off. I'm in the can't charge at home squad and am totally reliant on public EVSE's as are a lot of people. I see the same cars and drivers at my local council run EVSE. This is in my opinion where the problem lies. Public charging infrastructure. Where i live there are two council run EVSE at a reasonable price and 8 private run EVSE's at an extortionate price. 79p per kw i believe. So the council ones sre busy. So busy they regularly breakdown and they aren't fixed very quickly. The max ouput is 50kw but one never gets beyond 36kw so there is inevitably a queue at times. Also some locals leave their car overnight on the fast charger which prohibits others from 'topping up'. They do this because they cant charge st home. Inconvenient for the rest of us. I dont think EV critics are in denial. I think most don't like this idea of hanging around for hours charging or waiting to charge. They just have better things to do with their spare time.
The number of EV shills that I've encountered bragging about the availability of charging, the ability to charge at home, and ridiculous claims of EV performance is staggering. I've even had one mock me for being too poor to buy a house when I reminded him that most of the country lives in apartments, especially in cities where they don't have a private driveway outside their building. (Apparently, he doesn't realize that rich people in cities like New York live in multimillion-dollar apartments.)
I've also had to explain that infrastructure is lagging far behind the government-mandated deadline for 100% EV sales in America. I've had to explain that in my "small town" of 130,000, there are just 23 charging stations across 15 locations. 12 of these locations are hotels with charging stations "for guest use only." All of these locations are clustered in the southwest corner of town, around 10-15 minutes from my house. (For public transportation, the city employs a small fleet of CNG-powered buses and taxis.)
And California, the state leading the charge toward mandatory EV adoption, had great difficulty keeping the lights on _before_ the EV craze. With the state's infamous brownouts and rolling blackouts during summer months, plus constant interruptions from infrastructure lost to wildfires and mudslides, residents would rightly be concerned about the effects of adding hundreds of thousands of EVs to the power grid.
For the majority of Americans, EVs simply aren't practical enough to meet our needs, yet they're being forced onto us by government mandates.
Great video
The reason for having a car has changed dramatically over recent years, no more going to the pub, cinema, out to eat, visiting friends as we can’t drink and drive (shouldn’t have anyway) no need to eat out just order in whilst talking to friends and family on zoom, WhatsApp etc. The days of the ‘great open road’ are over, people are upset and want to rant at something…enter EV’s. Cars were our last bit of freedom and now thats going soon getting from A to B will be an app and a driverless car appearing to take you to work, another shade of grey added to our our day
Cars will disappear because they are way too expensive for youngsters to buy and insure. And youngsters aren’t interested in them anyway. It’s just a matter of time.
@@ouethojlkjn absolutely correct, its getting harder to justify owning one of these things isn’t it.
Apparently premiums have jumped by over 25% in this year alone as insurance companies fight to keep their margins and profits high.
Garages want more to fix stuff plus folk generally seem no longer able to fix their own vehicles either due to the complexity of what’s under the bonnet or just plain never learned from Dad how to do it.
As I alluded to, we older folk bought cars was for the independence they brought but nowadays cars seem to have dropped back a few points overtaken by the internet, mobile phones and other less expensive diversions, soon they will be an on-demand product and the age of the cars as we know it will be over, priced out of most peoples range and restricted by red tape, can’t drive into town go over the low speed limits etc. Maybe it will be a good thing too ?. Less deaths and injuries, less theft of cars but more drab a World, there you go
I like your channel but I disagree with your comments about BP buying Tesla supercharger network. BP have never said this . What they did say is that in USA they were interested in any sites that that Tesla were no longer going to use. Elon Musk stated that any sites where work had not yet started were to be stopped.
That was my interpretation of the original Bloomberg report which makes sense because the bulk of the work needed to get these sites approved had been done so BP would just have to acquire them and arrange for charger installation.
It seems Dave still hasn't read the headline and understood it.
BP are doing what they were always going to do, over charge! 83p per KWh! That is €0.46 in France. They should be barred from owning the Tesla network as they will continue to inflate prices. This market needs regulation asap!
I like your very informative channel and I also like the fact that you are not afraid to voice opinions. As an ev driver myself (i3, Nissan Arya and the BMW CE04 scooter in our household) I don't need convincing. If I don't agree with you (such as you stating VW got cold feet over ev's) I do my checks and comment that I cannot find any evidence from VW to support your statement. Personally I think Tesla cars are massively over hyped but I somewhat appreciate what Elon has done for future transportation. Hence, I don't see Tesla in as much a positive light as you do.
I am currently preparing my own video explaining why Tesla super chargers s*ck if you don't use a Tesla to charge there.
The latest model 3 is superb for the money and a significant improvement over the old one. You will not find a better 40k EV. Don’t agree with you about Tesla chargers for non Teslas . They are excellent, easy to use and generally much cheaper and more reliable than others.
I used to think the same about Tesla, I started with a Leaf and then an EV6... But then I got an extended test drive in a Model 3... I was blown away, the efficiency, the charging, the simplicity, the power, the handling.
And to caveat, I can't stand Elon, I find him immensely annoying. But they do make the best EVs.
I must be really cynical. An oil company buying the only decent charger network....my immediate thought is it's to break it in order to slow down EV adoption to maintain the oil profits rolling in for as long as possible. Tesla proved EV's being a viable option is directly linked to a decent charging network. I am on my 2nd EV and there is no going back to ICE for me, I want ICE off the road, mainly for air quality reasons (I live next to a main road)
Dave. All you are doing is getting yourself in to a stressful vicious circle. Best to just ignore the unintelligent criticism. Failing that you probably need to consult someone who can explain this type of mentality especially in social media as it does not matter a jot what you say.
If BP Pulse buys the Tesla Super Charger network will they be doing this to protect their global EV / OIL businesses revenue and help delay EV rollout, allowing them to hike the costs to around £0.80p ? They the Oil companies and other EV charging companies can then dictate the costs and even hike them to similar to ICE stations? I do hope Tesla stays independent to create competition something we all need.
Also if Tesla sells their charger network how will this benefit Tesla drivers ?
Buy up the competition and close them down
If you go back to the Bloomberg report it seemed to be suggesting that BP Pulse were looking to buy up the sites that had been earmarked for Tesla chargers but that had stalled due to the Supercharger team being fired. I'm not sure it was suggesting they would buy out existing installations. Presumably buying sites that already had all of the necessary consents in place would make it easy to get them up and running quickly.
There is a good reason for a kWh costing more at the DC charger than the the electricity from your utility it is that there are costs involved other the cost of electricity.
The same realisation as I am having. Don't argue with people who want to ramain ignorant.
As I’ve been saying for years - once you believe the truth no longer matters. That applies to a great many things in life and seems to be a flaw of humanity! Belief is a dangerous concept whether it be in religion, politics, hero worship, EV haters etc!
it is not trolling, the manufactures are lying about range costs insurance, the only way to get the miles they say drive at 28mph, no heaters, no sudden accelerateion ,no cold days, ask sweden about electric buses in winter ,
you can't convince a lot of these people. I've been involved in numerous EV discussions on-line and even faced with data like the 'iamkate' national grid live stats, they will claim it's all a government conspiracy and all made up. I've decided that it's not them i'm trying to convince, it's the next person who comes along and reads the discussion, at least i'm adding balance to it and they might be a little more open-minded. Just keep doing what you're doing, you're adding that balance against the EV hater channels.
EV critics are not missing the point, they are just after clicks and there is a huge market for FUD out there. What they will miss though is the Bus, when the only choice is an EV or public transport.
Shock horror BP don’t install any of their petrol/diesel pumps, tanks and infrastructure either…..they use contractors, who are specialists in their own fields. I don’t have to google this because I supervised the installation of an on-site petrol and diesel refuelling facility for another oil company and I just put the work out to tender……Oil Companies like BP want to get into green technologies like EV charging, windfarms or carbon capture so they can “green” their business and continue to make profits whilst continuing to pay huge sums of money in tax to the UK government.
Hi it's a bit like a denial about the injection when covid was about same with the Eevee critics they just don't want to listen
Certain channels, you know who they are are creating hate those channels should not be allowed to create hate since I have owner an EV I have a number of things including people trying to race you angry with you for the slightest thing just being impatient and I believe it’s all because I own an EV I have even had people coming up to me asking me about my car and then start negative things about it. And that because what they are seeking on RUclips. And all that for a car you wouldn’t believe crazy world we live. They need to get over it.
If they don't need planning permission, who oversees the new building regs that require chargers to be x metres away from commercial buildings as a fire precaution?
The Planning Department deals with planning consent, Building Control deals with Building Regulations, they are two different disciplines and have different statutory processes. I'm not sure if EV chargers can be installed under the Competent Persons Scheme that can apply to certain types of works under Building Regulations.
Don’t worry, buildings don’t catch fire often the chargers will be fine
Finally got my Highland Long Range Dave, my first electric car. Range is not an issue, the car can EASILY out live my girlfriends bladder. In fact it went from 19% to 40% at a V4 faster than we could share a packet of crisps. Smart charged the car at home overnight for £3. These ICE nutters either don’t have a clue or deliberately sabotage a car/journey to catch the car out.
The Cybertruck isn't even available in your country, it doesn't pass safety standards. Musk fired the entire supercharger department while expecting to expand it to other car manufacturers. Remember as well, most of our electrical powergrid is older than I am (53), and in a lot of countries they still burn coal for power. All of that said, I'm not hating on EV's, I think it's a cool concept, I just don't think the world is properly set up to support them yet and the battery technology needs to come further before they're viable for real world usage.
I don't live my life based on what other countries can't do and think about mine that can. I simply love f=driving round at 2p per mile. Yesterday I went to Harrogate, about 150 mile round trip and it cost me £3 in fuel. A plastic fuel container full of petrol for an ICE car costs twice that and wouldn't even get me there. EVs are the real world to me and have been for 4 years.
I observe that the less these people know about EVs, the stronger their opinions. Don’t forget Dave, nobody can beat stupid……
For 90% of the people, a PHEV with 60 or more miles range is just fine. Coming to your nearest car dealer in 2024.
One former Tesla Model 3 Performance owner cited his new Audi S7 eHybrid being much better value for his money than prementioned Tesla. Biggest faults of Tesla being eyewatering deprechiation and very dull interior. Good car, but not worth it. Musk and Musk's "bloodpath" EV price war made him a never Tesla person.
Just as well many of these 'EV deniers' were not born a couple of generations earlier or they may well still be using horses as their method of daily transport :)
i don't really care about others, as long as i can get my EV charged, My quotes to most are from ice grettins
Got anxiety rage? My reply is the following
No, and why would i, my avg daily use is 60 miles similar to yours.
or
No, but it's cost you more in fuel this week, and taking you more time to fill up with petrol, me i just get home plug in and forget until the morning.
Hello mate
Look if we all had EVs we would pay the tax of petrol and diesel cars somehow to fill the void. This is the honeymoon period of EVs once they have 25% of the market the government will find a way to make EVS pay. Do not buy an EV. I want cheap motoring for myself. I am not a EV hater, I just hate new people getting them.
Dinosaurs need to change with the what is happening now now is the future like it or not I have solar panels battery storage and an ev I don't use gas I absolutely love the choices I've made and they save me money now and in future move with the times because they are going to happen whether you like it or not oh and to finish with loving your work dave
I often criticise Dave for his devotion to his mate "Elon". Not to Tesla by the way who have much to admire. But Musk is a truly appalling right-wing conspiracy theorist. But, that being said, on this point Dave is absolutely spot on except to say that it is not just Dave's facts that the EV haters fail to check - it's almost any facts that relate to EVs. It's almost as if Google doesn't exist. And it's not only facts that they seem unaware of, it's reality as well. One guy recently told me that EVs explode if they get wet, presumably they are forever driving their ice cars around the burning carcasses of EVs after every shower. It's just bizarre that anyone would publicly post that comment when it is obvious to all and sundry that wet EVs don't explode!
@@user-sf9lj6dy6w Absolutely no idea what that means.
@@user-sf9lj6dy6w Fair enough or you could have explained.
I sympathise Dave. I have been an idiot magnet all my life. Just ignore them and like the goldfish brains they are they will forget they saw you and will move on when their 5 second attention span kicks in to some other poor idiot magnet.
These critics create their own narrative and try to force it on others believing that if they say it often enough and loud enough people will have to believe it. It’s a bit like a religion.
@@user-sf9lj6dy6w there are no gods, just people with an agenda.
They are bots run by AI you can’t win against them
Why don't you address the "Critics" concerns instead of downplaying them?
Hello Dave I'm not sure what you're talking about. You try to prove that Tesla is the only and worldwide leading charging point operator. That might be OK if we're looking at the United States maybe in some regions of regional Europe. I do know British petroleum has a very bad reputation in UK. But this is not true for the rest of Europe. And all I told you Aral Pulse in Germany is one of the major ChargePoint operators. I never had less than 180 kW on the other hand my car won't take more. Aral in Germany a 100% subsidiary of BP is beside Fastnet the only operator installing charging hubs for commercial trucks. Your British view of things is eyewatering narrow sided. I don't care if you believe I am an EV hater. I have a proven history of four different vehicles in fully electric over the past seven years.
It's not worth it. You'll never win an argument with an idiot no matter what facts you present.
I guess one of the issues with RUclips is you cant paste links or graphics showing facts in your comment, so an idiot will just keep denying facts exist.
Much easier to refer to an ICE car as a boomer-mobile, and answer bull💩 with a simple "OK Boomer". It seems to keep them happy.
First comment!
Do your parents know you're playing on the computer again.
Behold, King Sycophant is here....
@@user-ol6rd7pl5t No, please don't tell them 🤫
Please stop spreading positive promotion of EV's! As long as a minority own EV's, we will have a tax free and cheap method of transport. Let the ICE owners pay the tax, the high fuel costs and servicing.
@@user-sf9lj6dy6w I’m saving £270 per month on fuel for my work, regardless of road tax. I know it will change, it’s been announced. By the way… the spelling is “school” not skool!
People bought EVs because of the lure of cheap motoring. Now the perks are all but gone, they are no longer interested. There’s only a few who bought an EV for the right reason.
@@user-sf9lj6dy6w Not sure why you think I would pay 79p/kwh. I have driven 8k in the last six months and only used a public charger twice. Solar cost nothing and the night time rate is 7p/kwh. As I said previously, as long as the EV haters are a thing, the government will delay the road tax hike. It's coming anyway but even with the road tax I am saving £300 per month in fuel. Keep up the good work!
There are some studies that explain A LOT of this; right wingers are mostly driven by feelings, not critical reasoning. Our feelings are mostly based on what we ourselves have experienced, not on what we have not experienced. Information does not change what they have experienced. As a result right wingers easily become trapped in beliefs that match their own experience, and that cannot be changed by information. They need to experience something to believe it. (Mostly.)
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_political_orientation