Superb Discussion for integrators and av dealers like myself to better understand Def Tech products ,from the lovely intelligent pannel about how passive radiators work,and especially why definitive uses it,how the low freq part is handled by the built in active sub and adjusts the bass according to the input passive signals from the avr or stereo amp in the definite line up,also the visuals on how the sound is projected by a bi polar speaker as compared to traditional front firing/rear firing gave me a good insight.Thank youall , Lookin forward to more informative videos.
This is really awesome and thanks for doing this. Great discussion and it makes me appreciate being a proud owner of these amazing speakers. I was initially the owner of athe bp9020 towers, but I was fortunate enough to be able to upgrade to the 9060s through bestbuy’s trade in program. And while the 9020s were awesome, boy these 9060s really set off my entertainment room. I constantly get compliments from friends on my set up. My usual go to tracks to showcase these bad boys is some lossless audio which my pioneer elite AV supports. Lastly, this solidified my doubts about using the LFE input with my AV. Won’t be doing that now for sure. Thanks for this nice content.
@@madcrabber1113 this was a few years ago and Best Buy doesn’t not have the program anymore which sucks. I wanted to go up to the bp9080s not so much for the bigger subs, but rather for the bigger mid ranges.
Yafet BP-9080X Bipolar Tower Speaker l purchase from best buy cuple months a go but the Speakers turned off with the my receivers and not working what do you think about BP-9080X Bipolar Tower Speakers ?
@@madcrabber1113 This was quite a while ago in my local area based in MD. I simply asked them if i can do a trade and to my surprise, they said they can do that since this is an upgrade. I am so glad i upgraded to the 9060s although the BP9020s had quite a punch.
I have been enjoying the BP7006's with rear surround speakers exclusively for music only, purchased in 2010.....Unfortunately the woofer amp just blew in one of them. These are the best speakers I have ever heard, bar none. I actually had a neighbor asked me how long I've been playing piano - except I don't have or play a piano. It was a recording played through the BP7006s
Amazing video Phil! I just subscribed to the channel and in the three videos I've watched, I have learned so much. I'm super thankful for this content. This video in particular helped so much because BP9000 are not your typical speakers and they're so many opinions on how to place speakers, crossovers, etc that don't necessarily follow suit with the 9000's. Thank you so much 🙏🏼
This answers a lot of questions for me! Ive had the 9060s for 3 years and bp speaker are not like other speakers there is a Learning curve but an awesome experience nonetheless
I wish the atmos modules could be installed on the ceiling or at least make a ceiling mount module. I would prefer it coming down on me than bouncing it.
I guess I'm "old skool" Definitive. I have BP30s L/R, BP3000 powered sub center, BP10s sides, BPX surrounds and two Powerfield 1500 subs. Bought back in the late 90's and all are still going strong. I looked at the newer powered towers a few years back and they were light and had plastic end caps instead of polished gloss wood. What a joke compared to the heyday when Sandy Gross was running things. After the BP7000, it seemed like the bean counters came in. I wish the company well but they put out a lot of plastic trash that damaged their reputation IMHO. They seem to be holding on to the same basic design philosophy but making it with less quality while raising the prices. I haven't checked out the Atmos stuff, hopefully it is better built. Looks like they put some thought into the elevation module connections. (Edit): No plastic after 8000 series yeah! Running all through 2 Sunfire Cinema Grands with the mains Bi-Amped. I've heard tons of systems of all price ranges and I'm still happy 25+ years later.
the amps on these speakers dont last 2 months ago my cs9080 amp stoped working, and now my bp-9080 x stoped working ,they sent me the amp for my center channelbut now they are giving me A hard time replacing the amps i bought it in 2018 so i think for audio it is warranted for 5 yrs , but what will happen 4 yrs after putting the amps will they go also ?
My Definitive technology system just came in yesterday, I have 2 BP9060 towers and the Cs9060 center speaker, I love the Bp9060s but not so happy with the Cs9060, I heard the Focal Chora center speaker and love it do you think I can get away with using the Focal Chora center speaker with the BP9060 towers?
I currently have a new set of BP9080x fronts, CLR3000 center and a set of BP2000TL rears. I need to figure out how to get this all set up. I would love to get to atmos some day.
I have 4 bp7004's but can't use 1 of them as the hum sound coming from the amp is so loud it isn't listenable sadly. 2 are making the hum but not so loud that I can't listen to them yet and 1 is still quiet. Where can I find replacement amps or repair information that isn't ridiculously priced? I also have 2 subs that stopped working years ago but when I called customer service the process and costs were more than buying a new SVS PB1000.
Holy moly.... I really want at setup of this speakers for my amature cinema. I traded my B&W DB1 for two Definitive Technology Reference subs. (wanted two cheaper subs for better/ more even preasure in my room. Then this guy (whom I suspect wanted to do me a solid one🤪), comes along, and asks if I would trade my DB1 for his two DT Ref. (I had never heard of this sub, started researching, and in my research, ended up wondering why the hell he wanted to trade???) Well...we traded, and the "new" subs are so insanely amazing that the rest of my system (which was good enough before), now is a bit meeh 🤪 Need to start saving for a complete DT setup now 🤷♂️
Wow, guys, thank you for this info. I'm new to using your products and I'm so thrilled. I have a set of 9020's, with the toppers A-90's and the 9060 for Center channel. For sb I have the 800 pro-monitors. I still have to upgrade my subwoofer and my AV from Pioneer to Marantz. My only concern is I can barely hear my A-90, would be ok to crank levels up a few notches? Thanks again!
Great videos on the def techs 9000. Just bought some 9080x and have a question, is there any power cords you guys recommend to extend from the included 6ft to a 10ft cord?
WOW, they do a great job about not answering a question but just saying how great they are. Be man and say how far from the wall as a minimum they need to be. We get it you don't want to use the LFE. That's fine but almost everyone out there says to set your mains to small (never larger) and just cross over lower than the normal 80htz if you want better lower end. I have 2 SVS PC 2000 PRO's and want to make sure they get the right information not just the DT speakers. All of what you talked about was great for 2 channel listening. Most to all Home Theaters all have an external sub and would be nice to now how to use YOUR PRODUCT with what I have. Calling your customer care is about as useful. Maybe just return the 9080 center and 9060 towers and stop the headache.
Connect with speaker wire to front right and left, set receiver to LFE not LFE/Mains, set size to large, crossover at 80 hz from mains to sub, set center etc to small and crossover at each speakers recommended level or higher. Took me some time to get mine sounding decent but with these settings they sound as good as I've ever heard them sound. My other system has seperates, 2 SVS subs big ass Klipsch speakers up front and passive Def Techs for center and surrounds. Sounds awesome 👌😎
I have had Definitive Technology speakers since the BP6 and BP10. I now have the BP9060 and the CS9040 center. The only complaint I have with my towers is I have had to replace my amps 3 times on both towers. Please enlighten me on why the amps keep going out? I bought these in November of 2019 so they are still under warranty. But my concern is what happens once the warranty has expired?
That's terrible, I have infinity towers from 1998 and still works like new (knock on wood). Was thinking about buying some DEF towers, but this is concerning. Good luck with your amps, wondering if this is a consistent problem. Thanks...
@@leosalas41ify The second set of amps CS was trying to tell me that I didn’t give the amps time to break in. Whaaat?? I have never heard of a amp having to break in. It either works or it doesn’t.
We frequently have John Calder from Acoustic Geometry as a guest at our webinars. He would be the ideal person to ask this sort of question. He will be a guest next week (Oct 14 and Oct 15). You can register at www.soundunited.com/webinars Hope to see you there - Jen
I have a pair of BP9080 towers as my L/R channel n two dedicated subs. Most recommended I set the 9080s as "small" in the AVR. You guys are saying set to "large". Which way is the right way? thx
I was wondering the same thing. I been trying to do research on this as i just bought an entire setup with the a90 toppers. Did you ever find a answer?
@@MindTesla I had the BP8080 towers and I tried each way. I found that setting them to Small at 80Hz and using the LFE option sounded the best for me for my setup!
@@FalconsATL yes I have one in each 9020. I'm gonna hook it all up tonight. But my question is this. What size system do I have? Lol. I have two rear speakers. A center. Two towers. Then a90s on both towers. I know each tower has a sub but does that count? Is it a 5.1 or 7.2 system? I'm confused lol
Hey Michael - what department were you trying to reach? you can email the training team at soundunitedtraining@soundunited.com We can help with some things (but not everything) - Jen
@@SoundUnitedTraining ,Was Trying to Contact Phil or Anyone that Can Give Me Feedback about My Exchange Situation!!!! I've Been Waiting Months Now, And Hoping I'll Get Legitimate Item Now , Since I'm Speaking Abroad About the Waiting I'm Experiencing!!!! Don't Really Know what's Actually Going on???
Please email us at soundunitedtraining@soundunited.com Please include all details - country, product, issue, etc. I can hopefully forward the email to the right team to resolve - Jen
Superb Discussion for integrators and av dealers like myself to better understand Def Tech products ,from the lovely intelligent pannel about how passive radiators work,and especially why definitive uses it,how the low freq part is handled by the built in active sub and adjusts the bass according to the input passive signals from the avr or stereo amp in the definite line up,also the visuals on how the sound is projected by a bi polar speaker as compared to traditional front firing/rear firing gave me a good insight.Thank youall , Lookin forward to more informative videos.
Thanks for this great comment. If you ever want to attend a live session, we have a new webinar registration page: www.soundunited.com/webinars
Thank you for the note on the LFE
I just purchased the 9060 definitive towers and sound amazing, thank you 🙏
This was a great discussion! So much R&D into those towers... looking forward to trying out the BP9060s in my room soon!
This is really awesome and thanks for doing this. Great discussion and it makes me appreciate being a proud owner of these amazing speakers. I was initially the owner of athe bp9020 towers, but I was fortunate enough to be able to upgrade to the 9060s through bestbuy’s trade in program. And while the 9020s were awesome, boy these 9060s really set off my entertainment room. I constantly get compliments from friends on my set up. My usual go to tracks to showcase these bad boys is some lossless audio which my pioneer elite AV supports. Lastly, this solidified my doubts about using the LFE input with my AV. Won’t be doing that now for sure. Thanks for this nice content.
How did you get them to take speakers? I went on their website and it isn't an option.
@@madcrabber1113 this was a few years ago and Best Buy doesn’t not have the program anymore which sucks. I wanted to go up to the bp9080s not so much for the bigger subs, but rather for the bigger mid ranges.
Yafet BP-9080X Bipolar Tower Speaker l purchase from best buy cuple months a go but the Speakers turned off with the my receivers and not working what do you think about BP-9080X Bipolar Tower Speakers ?
@@madcrabber1113 This was quite a while ago in my local area based in MD. I simply asked them if i can do a trade and to my surprise, they said they can do that since this is an upgrade. I am so glad i upgraded to the 9060s although the BP9020s had quite a punch.
I have been enjoying the BP7006's with rear surround speakers exclusively for music only, purchased in 2010.....Unfortunately the woofer amp just blew in one of them. These are the best speakers I have ever heard, bar none. I actually had a neighbor asked me how long I've been playing piano - except I don't have or play a piano. It was a recording played through the BP7006s
Amazing video Phil! I just subscribed to the channel and in the three videos I've watched, I have learned so much. I'm super thankful for this content. This video in particular helped so much because BP9000 are not your typical speakers and they're so many opinions on how to place speakers, crossovers, etc that don't necessarily follow suit with the 9000's. Thank you so much 🙏🏼
I wish y’all would do a video like this on your in ceiling Atmos speakers.
This answers a lot of questions for me! Ive had the 9060s for 3 years and bp speaker are not like other speakers there is a Learning curve but an awesome experience nonetheless
Glad they went back to the same number of drivers on the front and back again.
I wish the atmos modules could be installed on the ceiling or at least make a ceiling mount module. I would prefer it coming down on me than bouncing it.
I guess I'm "old skool" Definitive. I have BP30s L/R, BP3000 powered sub center, BP10s sides, BPX surrounds and two Powerfield 1500 subs. Bought back in the late 90's and all are still going strong. I looked at the newer powered towers a few years back and they were light and had plastic end caps instead of polished gloss wood. What a joke compared to the heyday when Sandy Gross was running things. After the BP7000, it seemed like the bean counters came in. I wish the company well but they put out a lot of plastic trash that damaged their reputation IMHO. They seem to be holding on to the same basic design philosophy but making it with less quality while raising the prices. I haven't checked out the Atmos stuff, hopefully it is better built. Looks like they put some thought into the elevation module connections.
(Edit): No plastic after 8000 series yeah!
Running all through 2 Sunfire Cinema Grands with the mains Bi-Amped. I've heard tons of systems of all price ranges and I'm still happy 25+ years later.
Since 2013 running 8040 towers & 8040 surrounds delivering great bullets sound flying.
Excellent video everyone. Great information!
the amps on these speakers dont last 2 months ago my cs9080 amp stoped working, and now my bp-9080 x stoped working ,they sent me the amp for my center channelbut now they are giving me A hard time replacing the amps i bought it in 2018 so i think for audio it is warranted for 5 yrs , but what will happen 4 yrs after putting the amps will they go also ?
My Definitive technology system just came in yesterday, I have 2 BP9060 towers and the Cs9060 center speaker, I love the Bp9060s but not so happy with the Cs9060, I heard the Focal Chora center speaker and love it do you think I can get away with using the Focal Chora center speaker with the BP9060 towers?
Yes. Just adjust your levels and crossovers in your avr or prepro.
I currently have a new set of BP9080x fronts, CLR3000 center and a set of BP2000TL rears. I need to figure out how to get this all set up. I would love to get to atmos some day.
Is there no way to get the 9080 size drivers without the atmos upfiring. I prefer atmos in ceiling but don't want smaller drivers from 9060
I have 4 bp7004's but can't use 1 of them as the hum sound coming from the amp is so loud it isn't listenable sadly. 2 are making the hum but not so loud that I can't listen to them yet and 1 is still quiet. Where can I find replacement amps or repair information that isn't ridiculously priced? I also have 2 subs that stopped working years ago but when I called customer service the process and costs were more than buying a new SVS PB1000.
So this speakers have Amped and you still need an external amp right?
Holy moly....
I really want at setup of this speakers for my amature cinema. I traded my B&W DB1 for two Definitive Technology Reference subs. (wanted two cheaper subs for better/ more even preasure in my room. Then this guy (whom I suspect wanted to do me a solid one🤪), comes along, and asks if I would trade my DB1 for his two DT Ref. (I had never heard of this sub, started researching, and in my research, ended up wondering why the hell he wanted to trade???)
Well...we traded, and the "new" subs are so insanely amazing that the rest of my system (which was good enough before), now is a bit meeh 🤪
Need to start saving for a complete DT setup now 🤷♂️
Wow, guys, thank you for this info. I'm new to using your products and I'm so thrilled. I have a set of 9020's, with the toppers A-90's and the 9060 for Center channel. For sb I have the 800 pro-monitors. I still have to upgrade my subwoofer and my AV from Pioneer to Marantz. My only concern is I can barely hear my A-90, would be ok to crank levels up a few notches? Thanks again!
Great discussion!!😬
Hi sound united can u tell me if the dn12 or 10 better than the older model the supercube 6000 and will a JL dominion d110 beat it
Is it possible 🤔to use these speakers in a auro 3d layout, because to me it seems that they are designed only for Dolby Atmos.
Great videos on the def techs 9000. Just bought some 9080x and have a question, is there any power cords you guys recommend to extend from the included 6ft to a 10ft cord?
Friends I have a question should I use the audessey to calibrate them I am using a marantz 6011 ?
WOW, they do a great job about not answering a question but just saying how great they are. Be man and say how far from the wall as a minimum they need to be. We get it you don't want to use the LFE. That's fine but almost everyone out there says to set your mains to small (never larger) and just cross over lower than the normal 80htz if you want better lower end. I have 2 SVS PC 2000 PRO's and want to make sure they get the right information not just the DT speakers. All of what you talked about was great for 2 channel listening. Most to all Home Theaters all have an external sub and would be nice to now how to use YOUR PRODUCT with what I have. Calling your customer care is about as useful. Maybe just return the 9080 center and 9060 towers and stop the headache.
Connect with speaker wire to front right and left, set receiver to LFE not LFE/Mains, set size to large, crossover at 80 hz from mains to sub, set center etc to small and crossover at each speakers recommended level or higher. Took me some time to get mine sounding decent but with these settings they sound as good as I've ever heard them sound. My other system has seperates, 2 SVS subs big ass Klipsch speakers up front and passive Def Techs for center and surrounds. Sounds awesome 👌😎
I have had Definitive Technology speakers since the BP6 and BP10. I now have the BP9060 and the CS9040 center. The only complaint I have with my towers is I have had to replace my amps 3 times on both towers. Please enlighten me on why the amps keep going out? I bought these in November of 2019 so they are still under warranty. But my concern is what happens once the warranty has expired?
That's terrible, I have infinity towers from 1998 and still works like new (knock on wood). Was thinking about buying some DEF towers, but this is concerning. Good luck with your amps, wondering if this is a consistent problem. Thanks...
@@leosalas41ify The second set of amps CS was trying to tell me that I didn’t give the amps time to break in. Whaaat?? I have never heard of a amp having to break in. It either works or it doesn’t.
I don't know how well that would work in my room. I have the curtains hung all around the room. The backfired speakers would be dampened considerably.
We frequently have John Calder from Acoustic Geometry as a guest at our webinars. He would be the ideal person to ask this sort of question. He will be a guest next week (Oct 14 and Oct 15). You can register at www.soundunited.com/webinars Hope to see you there - Jen
I have a pair of BP9080 towers as my L/R channel n two dedicated subs. Most recommended I set the 9080s as "small" in the AVR. You guys are saying set to "large". Which way is the right way? thx
100% large
I don’t understand why Definitive Technology recommends not using the LFE input on the super towers… Then why is it there?
I was wondering the same thing. I been trying to do research on this as i just bought an entire setup with the a90 toppers. Did you ever find a answer?
@@MindTesla I had the BP8080 towers and I tried each way. I found that setting them to Small at 80Hz and using the LFE option sounded the best for me for my setup!
@@FalconsATL hmmm I have the 9020 with a90 topper.
@@MindTesla Do you have separate subs?
@@FalconsATL yes I have one in each 9020. I'm gonna hook it all up tonight. But my question is this. What size system do I have? Lol.
I have two rear speakers. A center. Two towers. Then a90s on both towers.
I know each tower has a sub but does that count? Is it a 5.1 or 7.2 system? I'm confused lol
Now I understand why Cameron Carpenter uses the BP10. The pipe organ traditionally isn’t a instrument that just comes out of a “source”
They dont say much about the center channel ...
Phil Gang
Seems Like Sound United/Denon is Unreachable or Closed For the Holidays??? Or What's Going on Please??? Can't Contact Any Sources There Of????
Hey Michael - what department were you trying to reach? you can email the training team at soundunitedtraining@soundunited.com We can help with some things (but not everything) - Jen
@@SoundUnitedTraining ,Was Trying to Contact Phil or Anyone that Can Give Me Feedback about My Exchange Situation!!!! I've Been Waiting Months Now, And Hoping I'll Get Legitimate Item Now , Since I'm Speaking Abroad About the Waiting I'm Experiencing!!!! Don't Really Know what's Actually Going on???
Please email us at soundunitedtraining@soundunited.com Please include all details - country, product, issue, etc. I can hopefully forward the email to the right team to resolve - Jen
No Lfe or you are messing with the engineers design. Just got the Bp 9020 and they are awesome
Great stuff guys. Phil how can i contact you guys. Can you share any contact details. Didn't find anything on your about page
Hi - you can contact us at SoundUnitedTraining@soundunited.com - Jen
@@SoundUnitedTraining thanks jen
how far should the speakers be away from the wall to get the best sound, and for the CS9040 what is the best crossover. Thanks
IMAX, yes, but the caveat of the need to match center with elevated center or...! and that is a monster center.