In regards to the interior materials, and specificqally you mentioned headliner, the interior you have is the nappa leather, a $2,290 option on S500s and standard on S580s although much of production after April has had the Nappa grade unavailable and therefore thr S580s have had the base interior with a "Credit for missing standard". This changes the seats from Mercedes' traditional leather offering to a Nappa grade with the beautful diamond stitching, and changes the inner door trim to be a matching leather and stitch pattern, while the rest of the interior remains largely the same as the base leather option (some markets in Europe even have a lower grade Artico/Mb-Tex offering) with MB-Tex on the dash and upper door, plastic on the lower door, and a cloth headliner. Every S580 you have driven has the "Exclusive" Nappa leather, a $3,110 addition (making it a $5,400 option on the 500) which has the same seats, but adds nappa leather to the upper door and full dash, plus it makes the full headliner including pillars is suede and it adds wood and ambient lighting to the bakc of the front seats. I velieve it also changes the lower doors to leather or MB-Tex. It also adds two color choices. While all three interiors (leather, nappa, exclusive) offer the Brown, the Beige, and the red, the Exclusive adds the options for Gray and Red. The 2023 model will add the option for "Signature leather), whihc should be the same grade as exclusive naooa but adds special floor mats, two tone steering wheel, and comes in some unique colors inclusing deep white, yellow, dark brown, medium brown, and blue. The Maybach meanwhile has an even higher grade of leather and it adds leather on the roof and lower door, plus an optinal Manufaktur leather package adds special pillows and a few othere details.
@@joe_smalls The 2023 is unchanged aside from the new signature interior option and the new plug in hybrid model, as well as different, usually less shortages for options and potentially the new option for rear seat screens on basic models. If any of that interests you, order a 2023. If you can find a 2022 you like and get at or under MSRP (easy on a 500, slightly harder on a 580), just get one that's already out there.
Ben, really appreciate the detail on the 2022 vs 2023 models. I recently drove the S500 and S580, both 2022 models. Very nice car and the rear wheel steering was amazing. I generally like buttons and screens, but I found the setup in the S class to work very well with the slider switches on the steering wheel, and the large center screen is capacitive, so there is some feel. Do you know the details on the coming plug in hybrid and what sort of electric only range it may get.? Thank you,
@@markjames8160 Yes, in Europe the S580e is claimed at 100 km/ 60 miles. I would expect to consitently see 45-55 miles real world, which is pretty amazing. It will be arriving some time this fall and orders are already open.
Not sure where in the US you live but there are plenty suburban towns in the midwest and south where houses in decent neighbourhood costs around the price of an S class.
I agree with you MotoMan. I would go S500 and save the money. However I like the “flowing lines” interior. I almost bought an new E53 a few months ago and I ordered it with that trim. Looks classy. I bought a Macan S instead.
Just letting you know that you can option it up to have all the luxury items found in the S580. In Canada this model only comes in the short wheelbase form, and I personally think it is great. Be that as it may, my absolute favourite is the European S580e 4Matic. We are suppose to get that here in North America one day… hopefully sooner rather than later. On a side note, the Lexus LS500h is LESS efficient than the S500. Imagine that!
Your understated pretentiousness and bougiosity is always a pleasure to watch. Only Motoman can make you feel like a 6 figure car is peasant ashtray money.
That saying at the beginning reminds me of a house down the street from me. Small 1 level ranch but completely remodeled and facelifted. Surrounded by homes going for no more than $150k and in their driveway is a 2022 Mercedes S600 and a 2022 fully loaded Escalade. Just makes me wonder...2 cars worth way more than the house.
I know these big tablet like screens are the future and I normally upgrade to the new S-Class model change but I might keep my 2018 S-Class because these screens seems distracting and a finger print magnet. Hopefully I'll feel differently after driving one.
For me, I'd take a de-badged W213 E63. Or maybe an S213 E63 wagon to have something more unique. And, yeah, the lack of discrete buttons and knobs is totally verrückt...especially considering the target market.
Beautiful color combination. However I still find it mind-boggling that the company that prides itself on safety and technology, does not have any radio or HVAC knobs.
I'll buy one now, park it, and in 15 years when I'm.a retired 60 year old I will have it. If I wait till I'm 60, everything will be a self driving egg shaped pod
Totally agree about the nobs. I had a EQS 580 Pinnacle edition and it was so distracting to even try to change the radio station. The the swipe button on the steering wheel are horrible as well. What was wrong with the last generation like my 2018 S63. The swipe is horrible. And don't waste your money on the mircrofiber headliner ($1,600 option); it is NOT alcantara; it looks cheap. And the charging network in Texas is horrible. Went to Corpus in it from Houston and had 41 miles of range when I got there. It took over 3 hours to charge it up to 100% over 2 days. Only 2 higher llevel chargers in all of Corpus; one at Mercedes and one at Nissan with both being closed on Sunday. Needless to say I sold it after that horrible experience and a HUGE waste of time. No more fully electric cars for road trips! AND, the EQS is NO SClass. Interior is cheaper looking and feeling as well as smaller seats and a much smaller back seat! Well I tried going electric but that was a failure in my opinion. I am not into wasting a lot of my time on a road trip.
The difference in breaking could come from it maybe having the smaller breaking system installed. I think that the bigger system is standard on the 580. No idea how anyone would spec it with the small breaks, but people do crazier things….
Seems you have given-up complaining about the tactile aspects of the HVAC etc.. surely these are most important on a car north of $100k. A touch screen on a Kia feels the same as it does on an S class?
Bought S500 over 580 after driving both . 4.7 sec vs 4.8 times for 0-60 mph for extra $15k difference isn't worth it. Get a $899 tuner chip and S500 wins....
I Agree: Knobs, toggles, and push buttons should always be a part of the driving experience. It's muscle memory on the road. ✅✔️☑️
In regards to the interior materials, and specificqally you mentioned headliner, the interior you have is the nappa leather, a $2,290 option on S500s and standard on S580s although much of production after April has had the Nappa grade unavailable and therefore thr S580s have had the base interior with a "Credit for missing standard". This changes the seats from Mercedes' traditional leather offering to a Nappa grade with the beautful diamond stitching, and changes the inner door trim to be a matching leather and stitch pattern, while the rest of the interior remains largely the same as the base leather option (some markets in Europe even have a lower grade Artico/Mb-Tex offering) with MB-Tex on the dash and upper door, plastic on the lower door, and a cloth headliner. Every S580 you have driven has the "Exclusive" Nappa leather, a $3,110 addition (making it a $5,400 option on the 500) which has the same seats, but adds nappa leather to the upper door and full dash, plus it makes the full headliner including pillars is suede and it adds wood and ambient lighting to the bakc of the front seats. I velieve it also changes the lower doors to leather or MB-Tex. It also adds two color choices. While all three interiors (leather, nappa, exclusive) offer the Brown, the Beige, and the red, the Exclusive adds the options for Gray and Red.
The 2023 model will add the option for "Signature leather), whihc should be the same grade as exclusive naooa but adds special floor mats, two tone steering wheel, and comes in some unique colors inclusing deep white, yellow, dark brown, medium brown, and blue.
The Maybach meanwhile has an even higher grade of leather and it adds leather on the roof and lower door, plus an optinal Manufaktur leather package adds special pillows and a few othere details.
What else do you know about the 2023 s580? Should I order one or just get the 2022?
@@joe_smalls The 2023 is unchanged aside from the new signature interior option and the new plug in hybrid model, as well as different, usually less shortages for options and potentially the new option for rear seat screens on basic models. If any of that interests you, order a 2023. If you can find a 2022 you like and get at or under MSRP (easy on a 500, slightly harder on a 580), just get one that's already out there.
@@benjaminkohl342 thanks for the information!
Ben, really appreciate the detail on the 2022 vs 2023 models. I recently drove the S500 and S580, both 2022 models. Very nice car and the rear wheel steering was amazing. I generally like buttons and screens, but I found the setup in the S class to work very well with the slider switches on the steering wheel, and the large center screen is capacitive, so there is some feel. Do you know the details on the coming plug in hybrid and what sort of electric only range it may get.? Thank you,
@@markjames8160 Yes, in Europe the S580e is claimed at 100 km/ 60 miles. I would expect to consitently see 45-55 miles real world, which is pretty amazing. It will be arriving some time this fall and orders are already open.
Your one of the best car reviewers, eloquent, and a true car guy. I'm surprised you don't have more views.
Thank you . . . my pleasure!
Cars are now same priced as real estate. 🙂
Yep to expensive
Not really you can't get a house for this price unless your in a bad neighborhood well in the US of course
In other countries you can buy a decent house....ei Jamaica has houses that cost a car like this
Not sure where in the US you live but there are plenty suburban towns in the midwest and south where houses in decent neighbourhood costs around the price of an S class.
@@wicked_smaaht I'm live in Houston Texas everything is hight here even groceries
I agree with you MotoMan. I would go S500 and save the money. However I like the “flowing lines” interior. I almost bought an new E53 a few months ago and I ordered it with that trim. Looks classy.
I bought a Macan S instead.
You may choose the leather or microfiber headliner in i6 or v8 so long as you choose the “exclusive” leather options
Would love to see one of these with E-ABC!
Just letting you know that you can option it up to have all the luxury items found in the S580. In Canada this model only comes in the short wheelbase form, and I personally think it is great. Be that as it may, my absolute favourite is the European S580e 4Matic. We are suppose to get that here in North America one day… hopefully sooner rather than later. On a side note, the Lexus LS500h is LESS efficient than the S500. Imagine that!
There’s is only a standard wheelbase the extended is the maybach
Your understated pretentiousness and bougiosity is always a pleasure to watch. Only Motoman can make you feel like a 6 figure car is peasant ashtray money.
Such a beautiful car, it just works. Unlike the try hard new 7-series
10:34 100%, M. 100%!
As to your question, M. I'd rather have the W213 E63 AMG over the W223 S500. I just can't get myself to like the W223.
And where do you stand on that new i7?
@@MotoManTV I walked right into this one, didn't I?
Buttons over touch sensitive glass surfaces are preferred in my eyes but in a balanced way.
That saying at the beginning reminds me of a house down the street from me. Small 1 level ranch but completely remodeled and facelifted. Surrounded by homes going for no more than $150k and in their driveway is a 2022 Mercedes S600 and a 2022 fully loaded Escalade. Just makes me wonder...2 cars worth way more than the house.
I know these big tablet like screens are the future and I normally upgrade to the new S-Class model change but I might keep my 2018 S-Class because these screens seems distracting and a finger print magnet. Hopefully I'll feel differently after driving one.
For me, I'd take a de-badged W213 E63. Or maybe an S213 E63 wagon to have something more unique.
And, yeah, the lack of discrete buttons and knobs is totally verrückt...especially considering the target market.
I like the car. I like the color. And I like Daniel Craig peeking over the blue Alfa Romeo.
Beautiful color combination. However I still find it mind-boggling that the company that prides itself on safety and technology, does not have any radio or HVAC knobs.
E63 over this all day long but man that dark green is gorgeous
The reflection of the air vents in the windshield would drive me crazy
Yea its like a head up display lol
Where did you get 4.7 seconds from? The S580 does 0 to 60 in 4.4 seconds.
Great job Motoman.
I'd love to get that color combo in an E-Class
Excellent takeaway & review 👏🏾
Awesome video!
I'll buy one now, park it, and in 15 years when I'm.a retired 60 year old I will have it. If I wait till I'm 60, everything will be a self driving egg shaped pod
Totally agree about the nobs. I had a EQS 580 Pinnacle edition and it was so distracting to even try to change the radio station. The the swipe button on the steering wheel are horrible as well. What was wrong with the last generation like my 2018 S63. The swipe is horrible. And don't waste your money on the mircrofiber headliner ($1,600 option); it is NOT alcantara; it looks cheap. And the charging network in Texas is horrible. Went to Corpus in it from Houston and had 41 miles of range when I got there. It took over 3 hours to charge it up to 100% over 2 days. Only 2 higher llevel chargers in all of Corpus; one at Mercedes and one at Nissan with both being closed on Sunday. Needless to say I sold it after that horrible experience and a HUGE waste of time. No more fully electric cars for road trips! AND, the EQS is NO SClass. Interior is cheaper looking and feeling as well as smaller seats and a much smaller back seat! Well I tried going electric but that was a failure in my opinion. I am not into wasting a lot of my time on a road trip.
NICE CAR
The difference in breaking could come from it maybe having the smaller breaking system installed. I think that the bigger system is standard on the 580. No idea how anyone would spec it with the small breaks, but people do crazier things….
And why is this not called an S300?
Optional steering wheel heating...really?😒
Everything looks nice.
Except the speedometer region.
Not my taste.
Great car probaly.
🇺🇸 behind the v6, turbo, hybrid, transmission is 3 hamster!
Value comparison: Genesis G90 VS
S 580 &
BMW 7 SERIES
Maybe if one day genesis offers massaging seats or air suspension. Otherwise totally different league.
"You will own nothing and be happy"
Same test with the s580
What model year is this Merc you are reviewing?
yes definitely missing knobs and buttons in the ux... i found this to be extremely distracting while driving
I do not like the screens where are the good old manual clusters
I wish you would include the Nm in addition to the pound foot measurement.
its not torque converter its an electric device that rotate the shaft then a clutch engage after launching up
Remember the 3 rules of real estate?: Location, Location, Location
Compare the new BMW 7 SERIES
Seems you have given-up complaining about the tactile aspects of the HVAC etc.. surely these are most important on a car north of $100k. A touch screen on a Kia feels the same as it does on an S class?
@10:20 it’s his opinion
The interior is more Tesla than Mercedes. If I was in the market, the overly tech interior would keep me from buying
💖💖💖👍🤩
Whose looking over the Alfa
at about 5 minutes…?
Bond. James Bond.
Weird
Can I own it for 10 years without putting $10k in reserve for repair?
Of course not, it's an S class with MHEV tech. The car that fits your description is a Camry
Today’s Word: Delta
Coulda had a V8. 😏
600lb? that cant be right?
hate the interior so much, especially with that *gloss black* everywhere
Bought S500 over 580 after driving both . 4.7 sec vs 4.8 times for 0-60 mph for extra $15k difference isn't worth it.
Get a $899 tuner chip and S500 wins....