@@michaeleverett1376 shut up dude z is better just face it,i am sure u think super is better lol aka the show that thinks goku is the only person on the planet
The first broly was fun to watch, but it failed to really make it feel like a fight. Nevermind how bad Vegeta was handled in the Z movies (epic intros, but then quickly knocked out) I always wanted to see a longer more drawn out fight towards the end when Goku was powered up enough to take him on. It left alot to the imagination. -if there was no comet, would goku's borrowed power last long enough to effecively beat broly? Could Goku have fought more seriously earlier on but decided to bide his energy the whole time cuz everytime he measured himself against broly he realized he wasnt strong enough yet... I like to think the latter, but it still woulda been nice to have a longer fight sequence at the end of the first Broly. The second Broly movie gave us the unrestricted super saiyan look of broly, as well as his huge meteor sized energy blast at the end, but it fell short in fighting even more than the first Broly did. while it did have some fighting between Broly and Gohan before Broly went Legendary, the actual fight between Legendary Broly and Gohan was far shorter than the Goku vs Broly fight was, before the final family kamehameha sequence started. Broly's lines were also drastically reduced to just screams, kakarots, and "not until you lie dead at my feet" being the only real line from him in the entirety of the 2nd movie. This movie could have passed as 2-3 filler episodes in Z, and thats ignoring the first half of the movie until Broly shows up lol. (at least the first part of the 1st broly movie was more interesting) Fully agreed on Bio-Broly, we can all agree that SSJ swamp thing was a bad idea lol. Now Im not saying I disliked the first 2 broly movies, but they couldve been so much better than they were, and DBS: Broly pretty much did ALL the things in that regard.
@@LordZeroTheNightmare Yeah, i always asked me, how powerful Broly really was. Was he powerful to beat Gohan when he went SSJ2 at the Cell Games? Or was he "only" a real strong SSJ who was as strong as the Androids 17 & 18? And yes, as much as i love the old berserk Broly, i truly like the new one. I think, if he could control his enormous strength, he could be a really good guy who fits into the group of Z Fighters :)
the broly movie have a better fight and music, but broly look so boring rage here and there.while dbs broly this one have many potential, and it have gud story and decent fight too
Broly already destroyed a galaxy and had the hair and power going in. The whole mental trauma and anger towards goku is the emotional driving force for his transformation. Think about the others who transformed due to emotional sadness and pure rage over a loved one. Then recall Vegeta completely giving up on being a super saiyan and screaming in frustration about it then reaching it. The trigger has been the pure emotion of mostly some form of mental rage. With Broly's potential already so large and fighting endlessly his super saiyan feat made sense. Easy explanation and you have a DB avatar, get out of here. No seriously, its a super avatar...eww...
@@Fate862 For most people, its just the fact that broly is having a trauma because goku cried as a baby.....and thats it. BABIES WHO WHERE NOT EVEN HALF A YEAR OLD! Humans dont even remember the first 1-3 years, and even if they do remember moments, they are totaly unclear on the level of "I think i was ..angry? Maybe? Dont know..." And i tend to think Sayajn are the same in that regard.
The non Canon broly was so bad ass tho and just worked so much better. He looked like a legendary super saiyan. The new one looks and sounds like a lesbonic super saiyan. I prefer the hatred for goku compared to him not knowing him at all. In the new one it's his dad's hate for vegeta, the old one his dad hates vegeta but broly hates goku and paragus can't contain him then broly kills him in a savage way. The only downfall of the first film is the way broly is killed cause there's clearly no thought put into it. Now he's gonna be a Z fighter which makes no sense
*What ruined Dbs* Goku being stupid Super Saiyan Blue is overused Who's Gohan again? No danger in death (Goku bringing himself back to life) (Master Roshi coming back to life) Goten and Trunks have no purpose Not enough strategy (just *WOW HE MAKE BOOM*) The writing is childish (Dyspo super ultra light speed mode) No blood (not asking for Gore but OG dbz)
"Super Saiyan Blue is overused" So they should go the DBZ way and make every new achievement a pushover in the next arc? "No danger in death (Goku bringing himself back to life) (Master Roshi coming back to life)" They werent really dead in the first place. And about the Danger of Death, what Dragon Ball Heroe hasn´t died at least once in Z?
Ok so, Bulma originally had purple hair but her hair color changed to blue later in the series for some reason, Trunks had Purple hair because of Bulma's original character design, but then, to be consistent with the now blue-haired Bulma, they rechanged his hair color to Blue to fix that continuity shit
@@CassiusStelar I honestly have no fucking clue about that one, I guess they just went like: ' ''hey uh, his hair changes color when he grows up yknow uh yeah, notice how bulma had purple hair as a kid but now she has blue hair? yeah, that''
@@pootis9180 just tell your son goten we want more of him in the next series with trunks too. But he isn't your kid. Genetics whatever goku. Lucky you have the same hair all ur life.
No offense but here’s my reasons why DBZ is better than Dragon Ball Super: - brutally, dismemberment, and blood spilling - Videl as a badass Tomboy - Gohan grown from a scared kid to a warrior with potential - Piccolo as a more prominent character - Vegeta’s anti hero role with some badass one liners - Tien, Yamcha, and Krillin being relevants throughout the arcs, except the Buu Saga - Bruce Fauconer’s scores - Emotional and dramatic moments that makes us fans tear up. - Intense battles and destruction - Future Trunks’s muscular tone and purple hair - Pikkon and the other world combatants - Non-Canon villains from movies (Cooler, DBZ Broly, Hirudegarm, Janemba, etc) - Frieza Saga - Son Goku given a more noble/heroic role than his original continuity. - King Kai’s Training - Z-Fighters vs the Ginyu Force - TV Specials (Bardock: The Father of Goku and the History of Trunks) that are tied to the main arcs -Bardock with his green armor and his badass red bandanna.
I agree with all of your points! Seriously, I miss Bruce Faulconer. This video claims that Super handles side characters, like the other Z fighters, better than Z handled them. But I couldn't disagree more with points like that. I really wish we could see a true return of the other Z fighters in the same capacity as we did in Z. Things like Piccolo and Kami's fusion, Tien smashing the hell out of Cell with his Tri-beam , or Gohan being considered stronger than all of the other fighters, or even just the adventures of Gohan, Krillin, Piccolo, and Vegeta on Namek while Goku was essentially MIA. Those made for awesome and meaningful moments in the series. I feel like anime writing in general is a bit too ADD these days. It often doesn't slow down to truly build meaningful moments anymore.
It really isn't, there's a bunch of plot holes and as a show there are much better ones, the writing was sloppy at times and oh my god the pacing of it was horrendous. DBZ just has that nostalgic value and some really powerful scenes like Future Gohan's death or Frieza's death (''YOU MUST DIE BY MY HAND!'' ''YOU FOOL!'' such a sick line), either way Super is a bit better in that sense since it inplements stuff like the S-Cells, Fusion n shit
calling Z a masterpiece just makes you seem ignorant. People recall Z on a pedestal due to nostalgia and the fact that most people were on the younger side. If you watch Z again as an adult you will see a bunch of potholes, inconsistencies, dumb power jumps (piccolo, Goku, gohan...), zero character development other than vegeta (this one is a problem on all Db series), the lack of storytelling and repeated plot ( villain appears, they get ass kicked, they go to the temple room, train, power-up, they win). Super had a bunch of problems (a lot of them were inherited from Z) and overall Id say it is understandable that people like Z better (it's overall better) but Z was far from perfect, way too far.
dude dbz got me being nostalgic like i remember sitting back eating my cereal watch dbz goku kick ass, but dbs literally just didnt make goku care about anything, they also made their transformations copied, how u gonna tell me that ssjg isnt a cppy of goku in his base form how u gonna tell me ssjgss isnt a copy of ssj like they just being lazy
@@98Supremee Dragonball was suggested for 12 year old and up, and Western kids are more mature about violence while Japanese kids are more mature about sex at a young age than Westerners are, look at yourself as an example.
He's still a pervert, he just doesn't let it cloud his thoughts and judgement in fights anymore, he even used it to his advantage in one of the ToP fights
@@tamz-b1h Agreed, she was kind of annoying; still though I wish they hadn't sidelined her, especially when you consider her Goku level affinity for ki control.
@@towa.m People like you need to be quiet. DBZ fans are always complaining. Back when Akira TRIED to make Gohan the main character, yall complained, so he just brought back kid goku in the form of goten, and yall STILL complained. And now 20 years later, yall are complaining about Goten NOT being the main character?
@@endofyeww20 I liked Cauflia and Cabba as characters, I just HATED Kale, she was so annoying and added nothing to the story besides someone for cauflia to fuse with.
@@jantheking7028 I really liked caulifla, but I didn't really like cabba, and I actually liked kale, I just would've preferred if they developed her to the point where she isn't so dependent on her sister, and I feel like those 3 are coming back whenever his series returns, so we can expect some real development from them.
@@aliserag7010 uhh yeah, zeno would erase the universes that aren't doing their jobs anyways so if not for Goku making the TOP to happen, the universes with low mortal levels will be erased. Also, no Goku making TOP to happen, no TOP arc sooo.
@@GuyChooo i think what he means is he prefers goku's serious tone and funny tone balanced to be honest super goku just wants a good fight while in z goku says it himself "i like to avoid fights if i can" so what they did is they completely changed gokus personality
Idk what y'all were talking about with female saiyans. The way they became super Saiyan and the way their arc went is one of the biggest let downs, causing for finally having female saiyans, but them just being lame
The thing is, the U6 Saiyans were much more powerful than the U7 saiyans. In Z it seems to me there is a particular power level that must be achieved and then a triger to achieve super saiyan. Not only were the U6 saiyans way more powerful in base but their genetics were different as well. As far as the tingly back thing Im sure there would be many sensations you would feel if you could transform and radically alter your strength. Imagine being able to mutate on command. Lmfao I respect your opinion though.
Some of these weren't bad points, like handeling Broly, or introducing female super saiyans, but here is a couple big issues I personally had with it. 1: Yes they introduced female saiyans and even super saiyans, but they picked up on super Saiyan so quickly that it seemed unearned, and then super Saiyan 2 as well. Kale was better as she has the same power as Broly, but still, it felt cheap. 2: They did in fact explain the fusion breaking, but it seems like they only did that because they realized that the fans were creating different answers and wanted to create something concrete. they wrote themselves into a hole and had to dig their way out, and while the fans had great ideas, they were tossed away because once again they wrote themselves into a hole with merged zamasu and had to dig their way out. 3: Future trunks was handled terribly, inconsistent time line problems in both z and here with Mai's age, and also the spirit sword was bs though I did like that he reached ssj2, the problem was that he was once again painted as incredibly powerful only to then become useless immediately. 4: The jokes, simply are not that great in my opinion. They seemed to take inspiration from TFS and made Goku into a bumbling idiot who thought kissing was yucky, and while we never seen him kiss chi-chi no one denied that he should have considering the wedding. 5: Speaking of inconsistency's, trunks in the main timeline is messed up as well, he is supposed to be what? 13 here. . . he hasn't grown at all since he was 8 and we seen him at this age in the special where he looked much bigger. They literally only did this to have him and Mai at the same age because of his future self but that don't make sense because that mai never got reverted and should be closer to 60 by now if not older. These are just a few issues, I have many more. Honestly while not perfect the manga was a lot better.
33jedi Damn. You hit the nail on the head i swear. Just to piggyback, I feel that Goku and Vegeta’s relationship throughout the course of DBZ and DBS has progressed in accordance to time the way it should have, therefor saying that they depicted their relationship better in Super than in Z isnt even a fair comparison. DBZ wasnt setup for them to be complete friends just yet since Vegeta was still angry at how far Goku has surpassed him in strength still. Also, idc about something being cannon or not, DBS definitely has more fillers than Z. You can literally watch “Battle of Gods” and “Return of Freeza” then start at the tournament and be caught up with the series. Tis all
@@silly3man15 thank you, I've been a huge fan since I started with the first episode of Dragon ball. Super is definitely filler and none of it makes any sense. Okay technique over power sure, I agree with that, but in a tornament with people who can blow up planets and even solar systems by simply powering up, Roshi, Tien, Krillin should have died instantly surrounded by all of that. C17 and 18 should have been taken out quickly. Piccolo and Gohan should have held on for a bit, but let's be real here only gods stood a real chance so Frieza, Goku, and Vegeta were the only ones that should have made it through especially after Goku reached ultra instinct and Vegeta mastered ssjb. The other seven should have been fodder, and I hate saying that because Gohan Piccolo and Krillin are some of my favorite characters.
33jedi It’s like Dbs used TOP Characters in place of the characters we know and love also. Female Saiyan are cool but why tf wouldn’t Gohan be able to get some new transformation. Why are the new characters at ssj2 painted to be stronger than Gohan and Piccolo?? Trunks can hang with Zamasu in ssj2???? Jirens backstory 🚮
@LeftTheNegotiator Yeah they mentioned that kinder Saiyans produce more S-Cells which boosts their potential to go Super, if they concentrate it all in one spot and merge it with their Ki in one big energy explosion, they'll most likely unlock super for a bit atleast. That's why Gohan had trouble turning super in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, he didn't have that rage that made his blood flow and energy burst, that was until 16 was killed and he snapped releasing all his energy. Caulifla and Cabba call it back tingles cause they're talking in a more chill, non-chalant way. So uh, yeah that's how it goes
They pick up on supersayain the same way gohan did in the the chamber. Just think of lost hurt and pain.. goku did the same thing when killin died right in front of him.
Dragon ball Z had alot of slice of life moments like when the 7 year time skip ended and there were those episodes where gohan went to high school,or the 10 day period while waiting for the cell games,when goku and his family hung out and went to places together
Jijii Y. Yeah, which is a whole bunch, and I loved it. But almost all of those was just Goku’s family. Dragon Ball Super showed pretty much a whole bunch of people’s slice of life
Legendary Warlord ok so here’s the thing in that 7year leap I was like yesss and then Gohan started putting on that stupid costume then Vedel started to show up and she’s terrible like I hate her character like then I started comparing the bad ass future gohan to that teenager bs then when he started to get serious it wasn’t the same so I just started to like trunks and goten look all I’m saying is that I miss young gohan
Lol this vid had the most tilted scales wit a sjw narrator thinking the female super saiyans were anything but wasted and yeah they included broly as dbs 😐😐😐
@@Charlie-qi9rr SJW is purely an American term. Japan especially doesn't care about such things, thus the female Saiyans aren't a problem in most parts of the world.
Yeah, Animation should never ever come into the equation when it has a fucking 19 year difference like bruh. 19 years between the end of DBZ and the start of Super. Oh yeah bruh Super Mario Bros for the NES is worse than Super Mario Odyssey for the Switch cause it has worse graphics Like that point makes no fucking sense whatsoever
Reasons that DBZ was way better: 1)The characters were way more badass 2)The characters power was not nerfed that much unlike super 3)Transformations are unlocked by hard training and not just joining hands and getting massive power up, or getting power by just coincidence 4)Z fighters had more value 5) Beautiful realistic art, blood, Destruction and more realistic effects 6) Power Levels were more something back then 7) For obvious reasons the Bruce Faulconer Score 8) It didn't have that massive spotlight on Goku compared to super 9) CBR obviously does not recognise dbz's true quality and legacy (CBR in many of the videos says bullshit anyways) 10)it was drawn on hand and not by some stupid computer unlike super that made it's artstyle look like pile of crap 11) Goku was more like a noble and smarter Saiyan and not a dumb fuck like in super The only thing I appreciate from Super Art are for obvious reasons Nataoshi Shida Scenes
Another thing: Why didnt Champa train the Saiyans before the tournament? He obviously should know about Super Saiyan because the angels shoulda informed him. So in other words, all of his Saiyans shoulda been SSJ God/SSJ Blue level entering the tournament. Hell, everyone entering shoulda had God ki. Not just Goku, Vegeta and Piccolo (yes Piccolo has God Ki he fused with Kami remember; he just hasnt mastered it)
@@budgiecat2885 Um what? You expected Champa to train 2 non-super sayains and train them enough to be SSB within 10 days? If that happened, it would give DBZ fans more reasons to hate DBS.
@@jantheking7028 How can non Super Saiyans turn into Super Saiyan? lol i know what you meant but your wording is poor there. You meant 3 (not two since theres the other guy) Saiyans that only one of them could transform to SSJ while one of the other two was hiding her abilities anyway. Well...the answer to that is they all shoulda been SSJ from the start; not first impression weaklings. Then through Champa's alien's training; gain SSB or whatever. Or, this coulda also been a way to properly introduce SSJ4 into the main canon since they were from a different universe anyway; but they fucked that up since they established that they didnt have tails.
I believe that every Dragon Ball franchise is always be the best, even Goku as the main prognaist which makes the show to be intresting as a 🐐 anime character
I also loved how they were able to make things out of their Ki. Like that time Golu planted landmines for Jiren and stuff.. Or making weapons out of Ki. I think those were cool.
Dragon Ball Super definitely did not have higher stakes. Not once did I feel like things were going to end badly. Only time I thought it felt remotely close to that was during the Goku Black Arc.
The humor on DBS was hilarious, seriously - the male love recital ?? XD And also the animation is much better on mass fights. The multiverse tournament had Many vs many while DBZ had 99% of the times fight 1 on 1 (except the movies and history of trunks). it was always something that bothered me on DBZ
I personally prefered the episode Goku and Piccolo learned how to drive in dbz more than all the fillers DBS showed for comedy purposes. Making Arale go toe to toe with god tier Goku and Vegeta wasn't comedy it only made them look bad. Their god forms are not supposed to be a joke.
For my Thoughts,the only thing that is not ok with super is Everything... Its changed even the work of drawing,very poor drawing,the muscles the proportion of the budy,everything is made more shitty,when u saw songoku and others,they were painted with dignity,and with something special in it,now they all look like Some half pottatoes ... sory for my english.
How about you try to be an animator for a popular series on a really rushed time schedule trying to replicate Akira Toriyama's art style for about 3500 - 5000 keyframes (which for even skilled animators could take a hour or two) for every single episode , not to mention the in between frames which smooth the animation out.
Ok so make a really good episode that copy’s Akira toriyamas art style in like 2 weeks at max and having a good story written with no V reference imma wait
@George McCrary, II they made android 17 as strong as blue and krillin could clash with them. Let alone the master roshi and frieza asspulls. They can do anything at this point
They can cook up a transofrmation for Piccolo, and some really weird stuff for tien probably lol. I mean, Neo tri beam against Semi perfect cell was still an incredible feat for his character even now, when you think about how strong characters were at that time. I def agree that we need other characters in the spot light, though Super has done that well too actually, giving us Trunks as the hero of a story that had SSGSS Vegito, and 17 as the last man standing in the ToP while Goku shared the final push alongside Frieza for one of the best fight sequences in the series next to DBS: Broly lol. I have a feeling we'll see more when the time comes.
@@LordZeroTheNightmare piccolo could have something similar to those namekians from universe 6 ( if that was the right one ) As of tien he has a ton to do with meditation... he could get some recognition from that arch angel for that ( still wished roshi got the ultra instict honestly lol )
I want some more Dragon Ball Online story elements to start coming into play because toriyama wrote the plot for that game, plots like: Tenshinhan's New Crane School which has sort of happened in super, Kuririn becoming the master of the New Turtle School, Goten and Trunks start their own school called the Kikoukenjutsu or Qigong Swordsmanship probably inspired by Future Trunks, Gohan and Yamucha's sword use; Gohan writes a scientific book on Ki Control for Martial Artist, King Kai actually teaches the Earth's populace to use the Kaioken, and Yardrats come to Earth to teach their techniques to Earthlings now likely inspired by Vegeta and Goku learning from them. These need to happen at least after the Moro Arc.
Honestly, one of my favorite parts about Super was the calmer moments and the conversations some characters had with each other. Bulma talking to Jaco and Goku and Jaco and that squid interacting and Goku and Vegeta talking about how they love the fiercer sides of Bulma and Chichi, with Vegeta revealing that it's because of their Saiyan blood while Piccolo is having a crisis in the background, or when Goku and 17 talked in that island before the tournament and Goku straight up said that he wasn't a hero and all that. These conversations are really interesting and it's fun to see these characters interacting like this. I feel like in Z the world was just CONSTANTLY in danger and there wasn't much time to slow things down and focus on these kind of things but Super does that really well.
@@TheFracturedfuture yeah sure, the first two arcs look like shit, Z didn't exactly have the best art ever either, it was just more consistent and even then looked like shit a considerable amount of time too.
I’m assuming you missed this in the dbs movie since they were only in the background but Bardock’s gang that got killed in Z by Dodoria and those other 3 guys were seen in the background with the other saiyans while king cold was introducing Frieza. And Toyotoro drew them in their dbs outfits moments before Dodoria killed them so they couldn’t contact Bardock so I’d still consider them canon. They even had some other key moments that were offscreen from the bardock special in the dbs broly movie like bardocks fight with Frieza men outside the ship since Bardock’s armor was damaged like in the original non-canon version
I’m highly curious to see what these guys say. Because as of right now, the only thing I can think of that Super did better than Z is the dub translation.
@@jantheking7028 the comedy was made for teenagers and lower, so the typical Anime audience, I guess the fight sequences look like they don't even belong to Dragon Ball - the animation style is way too different, and choreography could be less random and sped up
Let’s be perfectly clear though. #2 as described isn’t “raising the stakes” from a narrative perspective. That entire bit is just crediting super for having “stronger” foes and greater jumps in power leveling/scaling. Because to say that DBS “raises the stakes” better or more than DBZ is really hard to argue considering that’s one of DBZ’s greatest strengths. Considering the framing of Dragonball coming into Z you have things like Goku immediately fighting for for the life of his young son teaming up with the big bad of the previous series and giving up his life to do it, saving the earth from the saiyans, traveling to Namek and preventing Frieza a galactic level threat which latently becomes Goku avenging and protecting the legacy a heritage he just recently had to accept (Goku initially didn’t accept that he was a saiyan like Raditz but by the Frieza Saga he’s almost fighting with his entire race on his back Among other things). There’s a need to save the Future AND the past...to change DESTINY to save causality, Gohan has to overcome his feelings of weakness and inadequacy to save the world from Cell to become the strongest or risk losing not only his life but everything and everyone he loves (Gohan being a much more emotionally involved/attached character than even his father) and having his father’s sacrifice be in vain...not able to fill the shoes of his father who believed in him if he failed, etc. The stakes are EXTREMELY high and are gradually raised throughout DBZ on the individual, personal and literal power levels. DBS is so busy marginalizing their own characters and story it really can’t compare the the depth and drama of Z. It’s like DBS doesn’t even respect itself enough to take itself seriously as a story. It feels cheap. Not the production value but the writing itself. So many cheap cop outs and cliche anime tropes used carelessly and without thought imo. But yeah ultimately you can’t say DBZ didn’t do a great job of handling what was at stake and raising those stakes for everyone on so many different levels outside of “who is stronger than who”.
Also I want to add that it doesn’t help Super that they have the Beerus and Whis characters hang around who are immediately interpreted to be so strong that most of the conflict in Super could have been snuffed out without any trouble had the aforementioned two ever decided to stop being joke characters by nature and actually get involved in the fights to save everyone. Also until the narrative is adjusted slightly at the very end in the Tournament of Power the fact that from the beginning we know Goku and Vegeta have access to Super Saiyan Blue makes every and all fights where they start fighting in SSJ1 or SSJ2 feel like “this fight is a wash and Goku could easily turn SSB and disintegrate this guy if he was really trying”. It cheapens most of the fights. ToP starts to highlight SSB and SSG can’t be used for long durations because of strain which was nice but that got attention WAY too late like towards the end. For what it’s worth the pre use for ToP being a ring out free for all tournament was cool but wish they did more with it. For like half a second it made other characters that weren’t SSB level fighters relevant for a bit which was refreshing if not short lived.
@@faraz_3834 either this year or they are announcing a new movie this year super comes next year. They want to make sure there is plenty of manga to go off of
He meant to say "Goku is now able to stack his KK on top of SSJB". Also, Autonomous Ultra Instinct is a Technique for the Gods. Mortals like Goku have to undergo a transformation in order to obtain the form. Gods like beerus can easily activate Ultra instinct at will (Manga).
Android 17 being a good guy saving his universe was worth every bit of super being just as good as any dragon ball z material. He was awesome to see him fight and improve and not be bantha fodder for cell.
I liked the new one, and really old broly.. "kakarot!!!!" Yea im gonna pass on that version, but it was fun to watch, and super broly couldn't control his power so made it the same broly tbh.
I disagree. DBZ Broly was unnecessarily motivated to target Goku. And the fact that his trigger was Goku even when Paragus states that they're both supposed to hate Vegeta is a direct conflict in villain motives.
Don’t get me wrong I loved the new Broly movie. The only thing I would’ve changed about it is I would’ve made him evil The way he was in the DBZ movies. You dig. It’s what I liked most about him. He declared himself the devil and shit. I thought it was so metal back in 7th grade when I ordered the BROLY VHS from Japan. I was a total metalhead back then though
So I clicked on this to have a good laugh, but what I got wasn't laughs. Literally everything this guy said was wrong and infuriating instead. Compared to Super, Z had no faults at all. Notice what I just said. COMPARED TO SUPER, Z had no faults. In reality, Z absolutely had flaws, but Super as a whole was flawed from the beginning and only got worse until it ended. I actually could sit here and go though every single point and explain why it's wrong, but let's be real...no one is going to read it. Honestly, even GT is better. Much better in fact. GT also had major flaws, but nowhere near as much as Super. DBS was so bad that it actually made some people watch GT and they came out and said "Oh. You know what? It's not as bad as I thought.". That's right. DBS made GT better than what people thought for those who actually watched it. I don't hate Super by any means...but it could have been SO much better than what it was. Not better than Z for what we were given, but better than what we got.
disagree DBZ transformations were more authentic . DBS you get one tranformation then after 5 episodes or so get another they dont last. SSJ was crucial for a huge part of DBZ.
@@SoulJustInCase They do, since they have more useful perks like GoD being energy conservative. SSJ Blue being tacticallly used for more power and speed bursts, etc. UI being a technique. SSJ levels lasted but were honestly overhyped, mainly by Vegeta.
Dragonball Z is a pure Masterpiece. Super on the other hand is mediocre period. Except for the movie it was good but still lacked sense of scale though!
@@FEdelasJONSEnjoyer super movie lacked sense of scale , like really with all that power their still in the same continent like they should be destroying planets by now. Inconsistency at its best nothing new in the table
dragon ball super was good not legendary like dbz but it had its moments like ultra instinct and the goku black saga was decent but it should be called the adventures of goku and vegeta instead of dragon ball super lol
DBZ obviously the GOAT. They had blood 🩸! Come on now, how could Super compete with that! Blood is offensive to ppl in today’s generation. SMH. But I still think DBS held its own and lived up to the standards of DBZ in its own way unlike that disgusting non Toriyama filth DBGT.
That would defeat the point of the entire video. It's much more interesting to point out the things the perceived inferior series does better than the perceived superior series, than it is to do the reverse.
Literally everyone is saying that Z is better than Super. I mean, come on, Z isn't love and life. It's not just Z, Z, Z, Z, Z, Z, Z, Z, Z, Z, Z, Z, Z, Z, Z all the time. At least give some room to point out the more unpopular opinions and perceptions. Like, for example, this video.
ailon92 - They did not say there were only 28 planets, but 28 planets with life. Not difficult to imagine that Freezer could have asked life to be wipe out on some planets or even destroyed some.
Do you not understand that it was problematic because he couldn't fight with the universe because there were women warriors from other universes and he wouldn't be able to fight while they are there
Anybody else think this guy's points are just bad... For example 1. Comedy in Z was far and few between but felt great and was funny. As for Super there was a lot of comedy but it felt very childish and stupid. (Pretty sure I didn't laugh throughout the entire Super series until the broly movie came out.) 2. He argues that Super Trunks is better than Z Trunks because he plays a bigger role in Super and doesn't get "sidelined" like he did in Z. I'm pretty sure that everyone loved Z Trunks much more and I definitely don't think he got sidelined in Z just because he didn't kill the villain. 3. For some reason he puts a huge emphasis on Kale and Kefla just because they are female saiyans and goes as far as to say "they are interesting characters and a major breath of fresh air." Kale and kefla where characters pretty much made just for fan service and had some of the worst power scaling and character development I've ever seen in a DB character and because of that pretty much the entire fan base hated them. (Even Japanese fans didn't like them.) And the list goes on. this is just 3 examples.
"The Same franchise" That's where the problem kicks in they had over 20 years to make a good series but they just made it worse even Z has flaws and is overrated in my opinion the only underrated series in the franchise is the OG DB in my opinion also super is trash power scaling sucks why is frieza back why no blood why is broly god level why was gohan in ultimate in BOG but not in ressurection of shit
@@okyes3717 The artists left No blood because its PG Broly is god level because hes a legendary Super Saiyan with limitless potentional which was also his DBZ side duhh? Friezas back because he was wished back duhhh? Gohan was ultimate in BOG because he simply powered up duhh? He just found out about Videl being pregnant in BOG. Rof hes obviously gone into full fatherhood and stopped fighting until T.O.P. Why are you commentating about DB when you know nothing about it wether you think you do or not you clearly dont to be pointing out such easy answering plot points. Plus give me a break about DB it was an adventure show between a horny ass teenager and a clueless Goku that was one tapping enemies unless its Piccolo or Tao
Dragonball z showed more growth and made fan hope and dream more. I disagree with all your points about super as it just copied dragonballz and really never understood why they did what they did. My opinion.
14:57 Man talk about best for Last. You’re right pal, I don’t care what anyone says. Caulifla and Kale are indeed the best thing to come out of Dragon Ball Super.
they are alright, I like Hit and some of the neat fighters near the end better though. those 2 girls were basically a stepping stone to show off what goku can do now, rather than being important. if they get more screen time in a future saga, maybe that will change.
Why? The cheapened going Super Saiyan..."oh look It took me 10 minutes to do this thing, it took these people all their lives to accomplish and before that generations of Saiyans weren't able to do, but...WE know about the tingling and can do it in a few minutes!"...It's stupid, and I understand why they did it, but it doesn't make sense
I like how they coordinated more team battles. Z had a few but were mostly just one on one spars. Imagine if the Z warriors had a full out assault on the Saiyans when they came to Earth. Especially without Vegeta wanting to join in the beginning it would have been cool seeing the gang attack Napa and the Saibamen
I was skepticle there were this many things 'better' but I admit most of this was true except comparing a 2019 full funded movie's animation to a 1990s anime.. especially when most of supers actual animation is awful with next to no fight choreography at all.
chocolate sensei sama i imagine that high Ki levels allow people to access psychic powers. Though, they kinda dropped this after the Freeza saga. With the exception of Freeza still doing it now and then.
@@neoanimefreak_7606 Actually ki doesn't allow that but helps you create traps,weapons,lasers and more! Unless you're frieza, it doesn't apply to goku in any way , and also before you try to say some shit like that use actual evidence, like come on,how can you use raw power to read minds?or telekanisis ? Or even seeing through illusions? Explain that.
@@quanturiaowens2643 Can't read minds, but you can read a persons aura and get things off them, nothing like mind reading but yeah. And you can manipulate things with your ki, people even do it in real life. Illusions are just when you get right down to it, tricks of the mind. Just like how you can use your ki on things, you can use your ki on your surroundings.
DBZ raised stakes everytime the same way(goku is away, friends are getting their ass kicked ,at long last goku makes the grand entry , fightt every saga its the same way stakes r raised ) DBZ is pure nostalgia but DBS (until hit comes to the scene is bullshit) after hit it really gets interesting DBS s5 is just WOW correcting the flaws it raised stakes in a diversified way not the same way again and again.
right? ENough of this hate Nonsense, just stop talking about super if they hate it so much, they don't have to worry about it. i don't even see much people talk about GT, cause they grew up and got over themselves.
Exactly what I came on here to say. Best thing about Super is that we got more Dragon Ball. Let's just enjoy it for what it is. As shitty as GT was, it was a further Dragon Ball fix. And Super is a massive improvement on GT
I have to disagree with the trunks, cuz in dbs trunks arc is....he had no arc And bad animation BAD ANIM ATIONS!?!?!?! Yes in the first 2 arcs but not after that
It seems that everybody is complaining about the animation, so I'm here to clear this up: It is not the animator's fault, it was due to a short time period to animate between each episode, resulting in them putting rough drafts in place of a finished piece of animation, a lot of people will say that it's due to inexperienced animators which is not true, a lot of the animators there were actually veterans from DBZ such as, Masahiro Shimanuki, Hiroyuki Itai, Osamu Ishikawa, Yoshitaka Yashima, Hirotaka Nii, Shuichiro Manabe, Yuichi Karasawa, Futoshi Higashide, Noaki Tate, and the legend.... Naotoshi Shida! But anyways, please don't hate on Dragon Ball Super for it's animation, hate on the people that gave the animators very little time to complete the episodes.
I loved dragon ball super and thought the animation was well. I like the humor in it. I haven’t been able to watch dragon ball z so that could be a reason why. I hope they either continue or make another sequel series
ZEUS B312 kinda had no choice, I wanted to watch it but no way. DBS had all the episodes on demand so I watched that and really enjoyed it. I want to watch the original and Z just working on a way to watch it without breaking the bank.
@syed jawad It has it's variety but i had no problem with that really. My personal favorite totally hypes it up ''Army Awakening'' but there is no doubt that the early Ocean dub has the phenomenal soundtracks.
Hang on, the reason Goku lost control of his ki was due to combining super sayain blue with kioken times 20 which is a risky power boost not because of a baseball match it was when universe 7 and 6 had a small tournament
Ah yes here we go~
*Gets popcorn and goes to read comment section*
LOL I think that it is what we all do.
Same
I gave you your hundredth like. Don’t be a douche and edit your comment thanking everyone for all the likes. That would make u gay
Thats exactly what i did 😂
loool
Nothing beats DBZ Abridged tho......
True. To me it's the default version that comes to mind when thinking about DB
Yes the real dbz beats
Except DBS abridged once it’s released
@@alessandrobaggi6129 errors have been made. guess the scene?
@@airofglass7464 "why... they keep kicking me... in the d**k?" 🤣
Dragon Ball Z was a pure masterclass and possibly the greatest piece of television ever produced
True, but Super has done some things better than Z did.
@@michaeleverett1376 lol. Like what?
@@michaeleverett1376 shut up dude z is better just face it,i am sure u think super is better lol aka the show that thinks goku is the only person on the planet
@@folakamau9463 Don't fuck with us dragon ball fans
We don't know what hell is an opinion
@@imdarkmonster3697 pfffffff
I personally liked the two first Broly Movies. The Bio Broly thing... ahhh let's not talk about that. That never happend, ok?
The first broly was fun to watch, but it failed to really make it feel like a fight. Nevermind how bad Vegeta was handled in the Z movies (epic intros, but then quickly knocked out) I always wanted to see a longer more drawn out fight towards the end when Goku was powered up enough to take him on. It left alot to the imagination. -if there was no comet, would goku's borrowed power last long enough to effecively beat broly? Could Goku have fought more seriously earlier on but decided to bide his energy the whole time cuz everytime he measured himself against broly he realized he wasnt strong enough yet... I like to think the latter, but it still woulda been nice to have a longer fight sequence at the end of the first Broly.
The second Broly movie gave us the unrestricted super saiyan look of broly, as well as his huge meteor sized energy blast at the end, but it fell short in fighting even more than the first Broly did. while it did have some fighting between Broly and Gohan before Broly went Legendary, the actual fight between Legendary Broly and Gohan was far shorter than the Goku vs Broly fight was, before the final family kamehameha sequence started. Broly's lines were also drastically reduced to just screams, kakarots, and "not until you lie dead at my feet" being the only real line from him in the entirety of the 2nd movie. This movie could have passed as 2-3 filler episodes in Z, and thats ignoring the first half of the movie until Broly shows up lol. (at least the first part of the 1st broly movie was more interesting)
Fully agreed on Bio-Broly, we can all agree that SSJ swamp thing was a bad idea lol.
Now Im not saying I disliked the first 2 broly movies, but they couldve been so much better than they were, and DBS: Broly pretty much did ALL the things in that regard.
@@LordZeroTheNightmare Yeah, i always asked me, how powerful Broly really was. Was he powerful to beat Gohan when he went SSJ2 at the Cell Games? Or was he "only" a real strong SSJ who was as strong as the Androids 17 & 18? And yes, as much as i love the old berserk Broly, i truly like the new one. I think, if he could control his enormous strength, he could be a really good guy who fits into the group of Z Fighters :)
the broly movie have a better fight and music, but broly look so boring rage here and there.while dbs broly this one have many potential, and it have gud story and decent fight too
That was for goten and trunks fans. They got there own movie
Well I didn't really like the movies, nothing in super tops the frieza and android saga
Seriously, the non-cannon Broly turned into his Legendary Super Saiyan form just because he saw Goku.
yeah it was so dumb, the only reason we weren't outraged, was because the movie was pretty Lit.
Broly already destroyed a galaxy and had the hair and power going in. The whole mental trauma and anger towards goku is the emotional driving force for his transformation. Think about the others who transformed due to emotional sadness and pure rage over a loved one. Then recall Vegeta completely giving up on being a super saiyan and screaming in frustration about it then reaching it. The trigger has been the pure emotion of mostly some form of mental rage. With Broly's potential already so large and fighting endlessly his super saiyan feat made sense. Easy explanation and you have a DB avatar, get out of here. No seriously, its a super avatar...eww...
Yyyyyyyyyyeah
@@Fate862 For most people, its just the fact that broly is having a trauma because goku cried as a baby.....and thats it. BABIES WHO WHERE NOT EVEN HALF A YEAR OLD! Humans dont even remember the first 1-3 years, and even if they do remember moments, they are totaly unclear on the level of "I think i was ..angry? Maybe? Dont know..." And i tend to think Sayajn are the same in that regard.
The non Canon broly was so bad ass tho and just worked so much better. He looked like a legendary super saiyan. The new one looks and sounds like a lesbonic super saiyan. I prefer the hatred for goku compared to him not knowing him at all. In the new one it's his dad's hate for vegeta, the old one his dad hates vegeta but broly hates goku and paragus can't contain him then broly kills him in a savage way. The only downfall of the first film is the way broly is killed cause there's clearly no thought put into it. Now he's gonna be a Z fighter which makes no sense
Dragon Ball super’s animation was actually good after the 1st two arcs
I'd say only golden frieza arc was badly animated the others were pretty good and top arc was just the best
@@ShadowMarcus77 thats so true
@@ShadowMarcus77 and thats why i like the top saga more than any saga
It Is because the animators are overworked
Ya but if you watch movies of those arcs u will find it way better
if we listen carefully this guy is giving dbz more points
Exactly lol originality is way better.
Bardock
i didn't hear him say that he pointed out what Super did more satisfyingly
Actually no I heard super did more with 15
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@@mcfly4706 Sometimes new things are better.
*What ruined Dbs*
Goku being stupid
Super Saiyan Blue is overused
Who's Gohan again?
No danger in death
(Goku bringing himself back to life)
(Master Roshi coming back to life)
Goten and Trunks have no purpose
Not enough strategy (just *WOW HE MAKE BOOM*)
The writing is childish (Dyspo super ultra light speed mode)
No blood (not asking for Gore but OG dbz)
Goten and Trunks are forgotten about that much in character development that they haven't even been bothered to age them 😂
"What ruined Dbs
Goku being stupid" Turn in your Dragon Ball fan card now, it has been revoked.
"Super Saiyan Blue is overused"
So they should go the DBZ way and make every new achievement a pushover in the next arc?
"No danger in death
(Goku bringing himself back to life)
(Master Roshi coming back to life)"
They werent really dead in the first place. And about the Danger of Death, what Dragon Ball Heroe hasn´t died at least once in Z?
@@AlastorD DameFame: No, this isn't how you're supposed to play the game.
@@rambofan334 Of course he's dumb he literally bumped his head as a kid
Everyone else: Freaks out over Trunks's hair being blue.
Me: Oh cool he dyed his hair.
Ok so, Bulma originally had purple hair but her hair color changed to blue later in the series for some reason, Trunks had Purple hair because of Bulma's original character design, but then, to be consistent with the now blue-haired Bulma, they rechanged his hair color to Blue to fix that continuity shit
@@Mindless0 OK, I know that. That was just my first reaction. (Snce that is the case, why didn't they also give Kid Trunks blue hair at this point?)
@@CassiusStelar I honestly have no fucking clue about that one, I guess they just went like:
' ''hey uh, his hair changes color when he grows up yknow uh yeah, notice how bulma had purple hair as a kid but now she has blue hair? yeah, that''
I guess it's genetic. Nothing we can do about that, right?
@@pootis9180 just tell your son goten we want more of him in the next series with trunks too. But he isn't your kid. Genetics whatever goku. Lucky you have the same hair all ur life.
I love how when it came to trunks, vegeta had no hesitation giving his energy away unlike the times when he's asked to give goku his energy
Yeah because vegetaikes trunks more then he likes goku
@@coal8895 That's obvious cause trunks is his godamed *son*
No offense but here’s my reasons why DBZ is better than Dragon Ball Super:
- brutally, dismemberment, and blood spilling
- Videl as a badass Tomboy
- Gohan grown from a scared kid to a warrior with potential
- Piccolo as a more prominent character
- Vegeta’s anti hero role with some badass one liners
- Tien, Yamcha, and Krillin being relevants throughout the arcs, except the Buu Saga
- Bruce Fauconer’s scores
- Emotional and dramatic moments that makes us fans tear up.
- Intense battles and destruction
- Future Trunks’s muscular tone and purple hair
- Pikkon and the other world combatants
- Non-Canon villains from movies (Cooler, DBZ Broly, Hirudegarm, Janemba, etc)
- Frieza Saga
- Son Goku given a more noble/heroic role than his original continuity.
- King Kai’s Training
- Z-Fighters vs the Ginyu Force
- TV Specials (Bardock: The Father of Goku and the History of Trunks) that are tied to the main arcs
-Bardock with his green armor and his badass red bandanna.
I appreciate most of this, except DBZ completely undid any Gohan good with the buu saga.
@RcrStyxRaspytin I had that issue too. Especially Super treated his character very poorly until the Tournament of Power.
I agree with all of your points! Seriously, I miss Bruce Faulconer.
This video claims that Super handles side characters, like the other Z fighters, better than Z handled them. But I couldn't disagree more with points like that. I really wish we could see a true return of the other Z fighters in the same capacity as we did in Z. Things like Piccolo and Kami's fusion, Tien smashing the hell out of Cell with his Tri-beam , or Gohan being considered stronger than all of the other fighters, or even just the adventures of Gohan, Krillin, Piccolo, and Vegeta on Namek while Goku was essentially MIA. Those made for awesome and meaningful moments in the series. I feel like anime writing in general is a bit too ADD these days. It often doesn't slow down to truly build meaningful moments anymore.
@@Spiarmf I agree but I feel OPM is good with that just look at the manga and webcomic if u haven't since the anime is behind
I clicked ‘like’ for Piccolo.
Dbz is just a plain masterpiece,,,
Super, while having it’s moments just can’t compare to the pure awesomeness of akira’s best creation.
The AnimatorGuy john wick, the raid
The AnimatorGuy dragon ball z is a sequel 😂💀
It really isn't, there's a bunch of plot holes and as a show there are much better ones, the writing was sloppy at times and oh my god the pacing of it was horrendous. DBZ just has that nostalgic value and some really powerful scenes like Future Gohan's death or Frieza's death (''YOU MUST DIE BY MY HAND!'' ''YOU FOOL!'' such a sick line), either way Super is a bit better in that sense since it inplements stuff like the S-Cells, Fusion n shit
Karmon Dhindsa exactly, db is the goat
calling Z a masterpiece just makes you seem ignorant. People recall Z on a pedestal due to nostalgia and the fact that most people were on the younger side. If you watch Z again as an adult you will see a bunch of potholes, inconsistencies, dumb power jumps (piccolo, Goku, gohan...), zero character development other than vegeta (this one is a problem on all Db series), the lack of storytelling and repeated plot ( villain appears, they get ass kicked, they go to the temple room, train, power-up, they win). Super had a bunch of problems (a lot of them were inherited from Z) and overall Id say it is understandable that people like Z better (it's overall better) but Z was far from perfect, way too far.
DB: Krillin is a Fighter in his prime.👍
DBZ: He is very helpful at time by assisting either Goku or Gohan
DBS: Why are you making him weak? 🤦♂️
And "super" short lol.
Krillin=Ssblue in Super lol
Well krillin is still human and is in his forties I’m sure age and having kids affects him differently but still is the strongest human ever.
@@denniswildcat28 I would say tien is
@@denniswildcat28 Technically 17 is the strongest human even.
You forgot that they brought back the kaioken technique
Completely ruined and without it's drawbacks.
@@dukkemonterier3429 because god ki😐obviously his body handled it better than before thanks to his super saiyan blue you dingus!!
@@Zoroislostagaian I think what I enjoyed about Kaioken was its drawbacks. It made fights more interesting that it was used in.
@@chriscoughs5774 It did have drawbacks, Goku almost died when he first used it against hit.
They brought it back in dbz too with the super kaioken
dude dbz got me being nostalgic like i remember sitting back eating my cereal watch dbz goku kick ass, but dbs literally just didnt make goku care about anything, they also made their transformations copied,
how u gonna tell me that ssjg isnt a cppy of goku in his base form
how u gonna tell me ssjgss isnt a copy of ssj
like they just being lazy
@@blockify5598 ah yes a show made in the early 90's will definitely have better animation than a show made after 2015
One thing dbz does better than super: being a better series
Nobody disagrees but super ain't that bad either
@@SonGoku-777 agreed. super isn't bad by any means, but (maybe nostalgia speaking) I just find z better
@Torris Smith Jr yeah the characters definitely felt more accomplished at least. especially when goku, vegeta and gohan went ssj/ssj2
@Torris Smith Jr and you think that wasnt the same with super
@@airofglass7464 i respect that opinion
Master Roshi being a pervert is a thing that should not be took away
The show is clearly geared towards a younger demographic and you want them to see perversion? You sick my guy lmao
@@98Supremee Dragonball was suggested for 12 year old and up, and Western kids are more mature about violence while Japanese kids are more mature about sex at a young age than Westerners are, look at yourself as an example.
He's still a pervert, he just doesn't let it cloud his thoughts and judgement in fights anymore, he even used it to his advantage in one of the ToP fights
Gio Benzo That’s apart of his character dumbass
Nah he just didn't let it get to him for the Tournament of Power, that was it he didn't stop being a pervert
Unpopular opinion: “The Pilaf Gang is a fun and entertaining trio and they‘re good helpers for Bulma”
I share said unpopular opinion.
That1Nerd share?
@@moro-og-739 I also think the Pilaf Gang are fun and entertaining.
They have been fun characters since the begining, especialy in super
dareal_ yuyu I find them funny and they help the gang with minor things like Bulma’s pregnancy and when the time machine was burning
Videl really needs to come back as a tomboy martial artist we all know and love
A.J Thomas yes. With pigtails and an aggressive personality
Nah i actually hated her but i think it was because she thought her dad was the strongest in the world tho
@@idontpost9397 that's the exact reason I didnt like her, cause I cant stand hercule.
@@tamz-b1h Agreed, she was kind of annoying; still though I wish they hadn't sidelined her, especially when you consider her Goku level affinity for ki control.
I never liked Videl in Z she was rude and she whines
I don't care how long it takes for super to return just as long as we get longer arcs and better story telling
Jose Garcia n new forms for other people like trunks
シF i n e s s i n g not new forms, people were bitching when caulifla and kale became ssj, just make the characters good
@@towa.m People like you need to be quiet. DBZ fans are always complaining. Back when Akira TRIED to make Gohan the main character, yall complained, so he just brought back kid goku in the form of goten, and yall STILL complained. And now 20 years later, yall are complaining about Goten NOT being the main character?
@@endofyeww20 I liked Cauflia and Cabba as characters, I just HATED Kale, she was so annoying and added nothing to the story besides someone for cauflia to fuse with.
@@jantheking7028 I really liked caulifla, but I didn't really like cabba, and I actually liked kale, I just would've preferred if they developed her to the point where she isn't so dependent on her sister, and I feel like those 3 are coming back whenever his series returns, so we can expect some real development from them.
i prefer the DBZ Series because the characters didn't playing around like DBS series.
Did play around? You didn’t see the Goku Black Arc? The Tournament of Power arc? You kidding me??
Black arc is fan service it was good at the start also TOP is gokusfault that idiot super goku who's a shell of z goku is selfish
@@aliserag7010 uhh yeah, zeno would erase the universes that aren't doing their jobs anyways so if not for Goku making the TOP to happen, the universes with low mortal levels will be erased. Also, no Goku making TOP to happen, no TOP arc sooo.
@@GuyChooo i think what he means is he prefers goku's serious tone and funny tone balanced to be honest super goku just wants a good fight while in z goku says it himself "i like to avoid fights if i can" so what they did is they completely changed gokus personality
@@sageninja7260 goku sucks in super lol, and even in the top arc he wasn't even taking it seriously until the end where he goes mui
*How dare you say something to controversial and yet so brave*
in contrast: top 100 thing dbz does better than dbs
wow opinions exist? It's almost like both sides are right because they are allowed to have opinions XD
okay and can you name all 100 of them? thanks
No
chocoburger senpai
Normie
@@anejionatana6964
Same to ya buddy.
Idk what y'all were talking about with female saiyans. The way they became super Saiyan and the way their arc went is one of the biggest let downs, causing for finally having female saiyans, but them just being lame
The thing is, the U6 Saiyans were much more powerful than the U7 saiyans. In Z it seems to me there is a particular power level that must be achieved and then a triger to achieve super saiyan. Not only were the U6 saiyans way more powerful in base but their genetics were different as well. As far as the tingly back thing Im sure there would be many sensations you would feel if you could transform and radically alter your strength. Imagine being able to mutate on command. Lmfao I respect your opinion though.
Some of these weren't bad points, like handeling Broly, or introducing female super saiyans, but here is a couple big issues I personally had with it. 1: Yes they introduced female saiyans and even super saiyans, but they picked up on super Saiyan so quickly that it seemed unearned, and then super Saiyan 2 as well. Kale was better as she has the same power as Broly, but still, it felt cheap. 2: They did in fact explain the fusion breaking, but it seems like they only did that because they realized that the fans were creating different answers and wanted to create something concrete. they wrote themselves into a hole and had to dig their way out, and while the fans had great ideas, they were tossed away because once again they wrote themselves into a hole with merged zamasu and had to dig their way out. 3: Future trunks was handled terribly, inconsistent time line problems in both z and here with Mai's age, and also the spirit sword was bs though I did like that he reached ssj2, the problem was that he was once again painted as incredibly powerful only to then become useless immediately. 4: The jokes, simply are not that great in my opinion. They seemed to take inspiration from TFS and made Goku into a bumbling idiot who thought kissing was yucky, and while we never seen him kiss chi-chi no one denied that he should have considering the wedding. 5: Speaking of inconsistency's, trunks in the main timeline is messed up as well, he is supposed to be what? 13 here. . . he hasn't grown at all since he was 8 and we seen him at this age in the special where he looked much bigger. They literally only did this to have him and Mai at the same age because of his future self but that don't make sense because that mai never got reverted and should be closer to 60 by now if not older. These are just a few issues, I have many more. Honestly while not perfect the manga was a lot better.
33jedi Damn. You hit the nail on the head i swear. Just to piggyback, I feel that Goku and Vegeta’s relationship throughout the course of DBZ and DBS has progressed in accordance to time the way it should have, therefor saying that they depicted their relationship better in Super than in Z isnt even a fair comparison. DBZ wasnt setup for them to be complete friends just yet since Vegeta was still angry at how far Goku has surpassed him in strength still. Also, idc about something being cannon or not, DBS definitely has more fillers than Z. You can literally watch “Battle of Gods” and “Return of Freeza” then start at the tournament and be caught up with the series. Tis all
@@silly3man15 thank you, I've been a huge fan since I started with the first episode of Dragon ball. Super is definitely filler and none of it makes any sense. Okay technique over power sure, I agree with that, but in a tornament with people who can blow up planets and even solar systems by simply powering up, Roshi, Tien, Krillin should have died instantly surrounded by all of that. C17 and 18 should have been taken out quickly. Piccolo and Gohan should have held on for a bit, but let's be real here only gods stood a real chance so Frieza, Goku, and Vegeta were the only ones that should have made it through especially after Goku reached ultra instinct and Vegeta mastered ssjb. The other seven should have been fodder, and I hate saying that because Gohan Piccolo and Krillin are some of my favorite characters.
33jedi It’s like Dbs used TOP Characters in place of the characters we know and love also. Female Saiyan are cool but why tf wouldn’t Gohan be able to get some new transformation. Why are the new characters at ssj2 painted to be stronger than Gohan and Piccolo?? Trunks can hang with Zamasu in ssj2???? Jirens backstory 🚮
@LeftTheNegotiator Yeah they mentioned that kinder Saiyans produce more S-Cells which boosts their potential to go Super, if they concentrate it all in one spot and merge it with their Ki in one big energy explosion, they'll most likely unlock super for a bit atleast. That's why Gohan had trouble turning super in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, he didn't have that rage that made his blood flow and energy burst, that was until 16 was killed and he snapped releasing all his energy.
Caulifla and Cabba call it back tingles cause they're talking in a more chill, non-chalant way. So uh, yeah that's how it goes
They pick up on supersayain the same way gohan did in the the chamber. Just think of lost hurt and pain.. goku did the same thing when killin died right in front of him.
Dragon ball Z had alot of slice of life moments like when the 7 year time skip ended and there were those episodes where gohan went to high school,or the 10 day period while waiting for the cell games,when goku and his family hung out and went to places together
Jijii Y. Yeah, which is a whole bunch, and I loved it. But almost all of those was just Goku’s family. Dragon Ball Super showed pretty much a whole bunch of people’s slice of life
Legendary Warlord ok so here’s the thing in that 7year leap I was like yesss and then Gohan started putting on that stupid costume then Vedel started to show up and she’s terrible like I hate her character like then I started comparing the bad ass future gohan to that teenager bs then when he started to get serious it wasn’t the same so I just started to like trunks and goten look all I’m saying is that I miss young gohan
When your confused about DBZ then you move on to DBS, everything makes more sense.
Or maybe you would not be confused of dbz if you watch the og db
a non-pervert turtle sage? that's it, then. I'm not watching it.
True
what does master roshi becomes without his pervertness ? that's right the next yamcha.
The narrator's mistaken. Roshi only suppressed his perversion for the tournament, and nearly failed at it.
Non-perverted? This man tried to straight up force himself on Yurin, and Caway's comments (Japanese) about him are questionable.
@@AwesomeNinjaXD Yup, he's actually more rapey this time around.
Comparing a high budget movie that had plenty of time to a normal episode with a specific deadline...lmaooo
They said anything from DBZ, so I guess they're also comparing it to the old movies. Regardless, it's still a positive.
Lol this vid had the most tilted scales wit a sjw narrator thinking the female super saiyans were anything but wasted and yeah they included broly as dbs 😐😐😐
@@Charlie-qi9rr SJW is purely an American term. Japan especially doesn't care about such things, thus the female Saiyans aren't a problem in most parts of the world.
@God Of Savages I thought the T.o.P. arc was around 6-8 weeks of development.
Yeah, Animation should never ever come into the equation when it has a fucking 19 year difference like bruh. 19 years between the end of DBZ and the start of Super.
Oh yeah bruh Super Mario Bros for the NES is worse than Super Mario Odyssey for the Switch cause it has worse graphics
Like that point makes no fucking sense whatsoever
Reasons that DBZ was way better:
1)The characters were way more badass
2)The characters power was not nerfed that much unlike super
3)Transformations are unlocked by hard training and not just joining hands and getting massive power up, or getting power by just coincidence
4)Z fighters had more value
5) Beautiful realistic art, blood, Destruction and more realistic effects
6) Power Levels were more something back then
7) For obvious reasons the Bruce Faulconer
Score
8) It didn't have that massive spotlight on Goku compared to super
9) CBR obviously does not recognise dbz's true quality and legacy (CBR in many of the videos says bullshit anyways)
10)it was drawn on hand and not by some stupid computer unlike super that made it's artstyle look like pile of crap
11) Goku was more like a noble and smarter Saiyan and not a dumb fuck like in super
The only thing I appreciate from Super Art are for obvious reasons Nataoshi Shida Scenes
Master Luigi couldnt have said it better myself
Another thing: Why didnt Champa train the Saiyans before the tournament? He obviously should know about Super Saiyan because the angels shoulda informed him.
So in other words, all of his Saiyans shoulda been SSJ God/SSJ Blue level entering the tournament.
Hell, everyone entering shoulda had God ki. Not just Goku, Vegeta and Piccolo (yes Piccolo has God Ki he fused with Kami remember; he just hasnt mastered it)
@@budgiecat2885 Um what? You expected Champa to train 2 non-super sayains and train them enough to be SSB within 10 days? If that happened, it would give DBZ fans more reasons to hate DBS.
@@jantheking7028 How can non Super Saiyans turn into Super Saiyan? lol i know what you meant but your wording is poor there. You meant 3 (not two since theres the other guy) Saiyans that only one of them could transform to SSJ while one of the other two was hiding her abilities anyway. Well...the answer to that is they all shoulda been SSJ from the start; not first impression weaklings. Then through Champa's alien's training; gain SSB or whatever. Or, this coulda also been a way to properly introduce SSJ4 into the main canon since they were from a different universe anyway; but they fucked that up since they established that they didnt have tails.
I really like both DBZ and DBS. In my opinion they are on par with each other, and are good series' in their own respects
@TITAN VEGAS do you know what on par means?
@@mixedmf52 shut the fuck up
Fuck no dbs barely better than gt don’t ever put it on the same level as db and dbz 😂
Hey we got someone who
doesn’t respect opinions here.
@@patrickzachinfinity8888 No I don’t think I will.
I believe that every Dragon Ball franchise is always be the best, even Goku as the main prognaist which makes the show to be intresting as a 🐐 anime character
Lanre Akerele yes gt goku is the best one
@@whymustyoudisagree9158 GT goku personality wise is one of the best especially DBS goku personality
I also loved how they were able to make things out of their Ki. Like that time Golu planted landmines for Jiren and stuff.. Or making weapons out of Ki. I think those were cool.
Gok not golu (Misspled) happens to the best of us
Judging by the Thumbnail I thought this was gonna be about how it has better animation.
Super is better, you boomers are blinded by nostalgia glasses.
Dis nigga has have to have a dent in his head for thinking that stupid shit
I knew the comment section was gonna be epic after he talked down Z like that
Dragon Ball Super definitely did not have higher stakes. Not once did I feel like things were going to end badly. Only time I thought it felt remotely close to that was during the Goku Black Arc.
The humor on DBS was hilarious, seriously - the male love recital ?? XD
And also the animation is much better on mass fights. The multiverse tournament had Many vs many while DBZ had 99% of the times fight 1 on 1 (except the movies and history of trunks).
it was always something that bothered me on DBZ
Best opinion ever.
@@GOD_lovesyousomuch ikr his is so good
The reason I love dbs......
Ultra instinct
Weird ..
@@ghrey8557 how?
@@ghrey8557 how and why. I love ultra instinct
bro the time period of the animation is a major difference so animation shouldn't have been brought up
True!
There is basically no difference between the Time periods...
Dragonballs Animation is still done the same way. People drawing on paper 24/7
@@mikay7866 Well, they do use CGI for aura and such, iirc. (Jiren, Beerus, etc.)
Yes it should've it sucked at the start
So modern cars are not better than 1930's cars ?
I personally prefered the episode Goku and Piccolo learned how to drive in dbz more than all the fillers DBS showed for comedy purposes. Making Arale go toe to toe with god tier Goku and Vegeta wasn't comedy it only made them look bad. Their god forms are not supposed to be a joke.
That was one of the best DBZ episodes for sure!
For my Thoughts,the only thing that is not ok with super is Everything...
Its changed even the work of drawing,very poor drawing,the muscles the proportion of the budy,everything is made more shitty,when u saw songoku and others,they were painted with dignity,and with something special in it,now they all look like Some half pottatoes ... sory for my english.
Have you seen ToP arc?
Luta Most likely not
How about you try to be an animator for a popular series on a really rushed time schedule trying to replicate Akira Toriyama's art style for about 3500 - 5000 keyframes (which for even skilled animators could take a hour or two) for every single episode , not to mention the in between frames which smooth the animation out.
Ok so make a really good episode that copy’s Akira toriyamas art style in like 2 weeks at max and having a good story written with no V reference imma wait
5:54 Ah sh-t here we go again Naruto talks about his past
Edit: OMG THANKS SO MUCH FOR 75 LIKES I THAW IT WONT EVEN GET A LIKE
Would’ve been cool to see a Dragon Ball x Naruto crossover
Gogeta SSGSS I accidentally stopped on your comment on that scene, never had to go back.
How
Oh you meant 556
We want Gohan and the Z Fighters be more relevant in the future arcs.
Goku and Vegeta had already had theirs moments.
@George McCrary, II they made android 17 as strong as blue and krillin could clash with them. Let alone the master roshi and frieza asspulls. They can do anything at this point
They can cook up a transofrmation for Piccolo, and some really weird stuff for tien probably lol.
I mean, Neo tri beam against Semi perfect cell was still an incredible feat for his character even now, when you think about how strong characters were at that time.
I def agree that we need other characters in the spot light, though Super has done that well too actually, giving us Trunks as the hero of a story that had SSGSS Vegito, and 17 as the last man standing in the ToP while Goku shared the final push alongside Frieza for one of the best fight sequences in the series next to DBS: Broly lol. I have a feeling we'll see more when the time comes.
@@LordZeroTheNightmare piccolo could have something similar to those namekians from universe 6 ( if that was the right one )
As of tien he has a ton to do with meditation... he could get some recognition from that arch angel for that ( still wished roshi got the ultra instict honestly lol )
Piccolo is stronger than a SSJ2, he legit deserves more space
I want some more Dragon Ball Online story elements to start coming into play because toriyama wrote the plot for that game, plots like: Tenshinhan's New Crane School which has sort of happened in super, Kuririn becoming the master of the New Turtle School, Goten and Trunks start their own school called the Kikoukenjutsu or Qigong Swordsmanship probably inspired by Future Trunks, Gohan and Yamucha's sword use; Gohan writes a scientific book on Ki Control for Martial Artist, King Kai actually teaches the Earth's populace to use the Kaioken, and Yardrats come to Earth to teach their techniques to Earthlings now likely inspired by Vegeta and Goku learning from them. These need to happen at least after the Moro Arc.
Honestly, one of my favorite parts about Super was the calmer moments and the conversations some characters had with each other. Bulma talking to Jaco and Goku and Jaco and that squid interacting and Goku and Vegeta talking about how they love the fiercer sides of Bulma and Chichi, with Vegeta revealing that it's because of their Saiyan blood while Piccolo is having a crisis in the background, or when Goku and 17 talked in that island before the tournament and Goku straight up said that he wasn't a hero and all that. These conversations are really interesting and it's fun to see these characters interacting like this. I feel like in Z the world was just CONSTANTLY in danger and there wasn't much time to slow things down and focus on these kind of things but Super does that really well.
Ayeeee nice infamous Pfp
Essentially it's more boring.
@@TheFracturedfuture essentially it has substance.
@@infamousplayer8772 What good is substance if it looks like shit.
@@TheFracturedfuture yeah sure, the first two arcs look like shit, Z didn't exactly have the best art ever either, it was just more consistent and even then looked like shit a considerable amount of time too.
I loved everything about dragonballZ and Dragonball Super.
Yesss
Thank you
Everything?? The female saiyans the teletubbies?
@@zeusb3127 the teletubbies were purposefully made to be hated by everyone
@@zeusb3127 😁😁😁
This man just kale and caulifla are interesting characters😂 them thots ain’t interesting
They are.
@@TheBlond49 how
@@TheBlond49 They pretty much break everything we know about SSJ's just so they can compete with Goku. Terrible writing and useless characters.
they are
I like Caulifla's approach to transformation. Rather than unlocking ssj with anger, just learn the technique.
Most of the humor that he mentioned was in like, filler episodes.
The Dragon ball Super Manga is way more serious. It has a tone like DBZ
That's definitely not the design of SS2 Goku!
It’s just a different image of ssj1
DBZ the goat
I’m assuming you missed this in the dbs movie since they were only in the background but Bardock’s gang that got killed in Z by Dodoria and those other 3 guys were seen in the background with the other saiyans while king cold was introducing Frieza. And Toyotoro drew them in their dbs outfits moments before Dodoria killed them so they couldn’t contact Bardock so I’d still consider them canon. They even had some other key moments that were offscreen from the bardock special in the dbs broly movie like bardocks fight with Frieza men outside the ship since Bardock’s armor was damaged like in the original non-canon version
I’m highly curious to see what these guys say. Because as of right now, the only thing I can think of that Super did better than Z is the dub translation.
Super did its major fights better, it does comedy better, and thats about it.
@@jantheking7028 the comedy was made for teenagers and lower, so the typical Anime audience, I guess
the fight sequences look like they don't even belong to Dragon Ball - the animation style is way too different, and choreography could be less random and sped up
@@turbotrup96 yeah but the animation is better and more clear to see unlike z
Master Roshi bein' a perv is hilarious tho.
But he couldn't fight like that
Let’s be perfectly clear though. #2 as described isn’t “raising the stakes” from a narrative perspective. That entire bit is just crediting super for having “stronger” foes and greater jumps in power leveling/scaling. Because to say that DBS “raises the stakes” better or more than DBZ is really hard to argue considering that’s one of DBZ’s greatest strengths. Considering the framing of Dragonball coming into Z you have things like Goku immediately fighting for for the life of his young son teaming up with the big bad of the previous series and giving up his life to do it, saving the earth from the saiyans, traveling to Namek and preventing Frieza a galactic level threat which latently becomes Goku avenging and protecting the legacy a heritage he just recently had to accept (Goku initially didn’t accept that he was a saiyan like Raditz but by the Frieza Saga he’s almost fighting with his entire race on his back Among other things). There’s a need to save the Future AND the past...to change DESTINY to save causality, Gohan has to overcome his feelings of weakness and inadequacy to save the world from Cell to become the strongest or risk losing not only his life but everything and everyone he loves (Gohan being a much more emotionally involved/attached character than even his father) and having his father’s sacrifice be in vain...not able to fill the shoes of his father who believed in him if he failed, etc. The stakes are EXTREMELY high and are gradually raised throughout DBZ on the individual, personal and literal power levels. DBS is so busy marginalizing their own characters and story it really can’t compare the the depth and drama of Z. It’s like DBS doesn’t even respect itself enough to take itself seriously as a story. It feels cheap. Not the production value but the writing itself. So many cheap cop outs and cliche anime tropes used carelessly and without thought imo. But yeah ultimately you can’t say DBZ didn’t do a great job of handling what was at stake and raising those stakes for everyone on so many different levels outside of “who is stronger than who”.
Also I want to add that it doesn’t help Super that they have the Beerus and Whis characters hang around who are immediately interpreted to be so strong that most of the conflict in Super could have been snuffed out without any trouble had the aforementioned two ever decided to stop being joke characters by nature and actually get involved in the fights to save everyone. Also until the narrative is adjusted slightly at the very end in the Tournament of Power the fact that from the beginning we know Goku and Vegeta have access to Super Saiyan Blue makes every and all fights where they start fighting in SSJ1 or SSJ2 feel like “this fight is a wash and Goku could easily turn SSB and disintegrate this guy if he was really trying”. It cheapens most of the fights. ToP starts to highlight SSB and SSG can’t be used for long durations because of strain which was nice but that got attention WAY too late like towards the end. For what it’s worth the pre use for ToP being a ring out free for all tournament was cool but wish they did more with it. For like half a second it made other characters that weren’t SSB level fighters relevant for a bit which was refreshing if not short lived.
Talking good sense to me.
@@RedShogun13nope
They need to go into the Moro arc when they bring the anime back
@Jeremiah Menzie it is coming back they already confirmed super 2
Super Saiyan Bro when is it coming back?
@Jeremiah Menzie They r
@@supersaiyanbro
When it is coming ??
@@faraz_3834 either this year or they are announcing a new movie this year super comes next year. They want to make sure there is plenty of manga to go off of
Did- did this guy just say that kaioken and ultra instinct are transformations? I want whatever it is that he's smoking
He meant to say "Goku is now able to stack his KK on top of SSJB". Also, Autonomous Ultra Instinct is a Technique for the Gods. Mortals like Goku have to undergo a transformation in order to obtain the form. Gods like beerus can easily activate Ultra instinct at will (Manga).
Ultra Instinct
Gods = Technique
Mortals = Next Level/Form
More, doesn't mean, better, God damn.... we don't need multiuniversal God characters jeeeez
The best animation in super was better than the best animation in z, but the overall animation was better in z, at least in my opinion
Consistency.
Android 17 being a good guy saving his universe was worth every bit of super being just as good as any dragon ball z material. He was awesome to see him fight and improve and not be bantha fodder for cell.
Like where were these characters when earth was being threatened by Cell or Buu?
And DBZ Broly is way better than DBS version. I like Broly evil. Not a good guy
I liked the new one, and really old broly.. "kakarot!!!!" Yea im gonna pass on that version, but it was fun to watch, and super broly couldn't control his power so made it the same broly tbh.
I disagree. DBZ Broly was unnecessarily motivated to target Goku. And the fact that his trigger was Goku even when Paragus states that they're both supposed to hate Vegeta is a direct conflict in villain motives.
Michael Guest i heavily disagree. The old broly was such a waste of a character. Completely uninteresting and we wasted three movies dedicated to him
@Micharl Guest What’s wrong with not liking both?
Don’t get me wrong I loved the new Broly movie. The only thing I would’ve changed about it is I would’ve made him evil The way he was in the DBZ movies. You dig. It’s what I liked most about him. He declared himself the devil and shit. I thought it was so metal back in 7th grade when I ordered the BROLY VHS from Japan. I was a total metalhead back then though
Super is phenomenal, I grew up on Z And I will gladly say I LOVE super.i love the power levels, I love the gods etc.
DBS was a homage to DBZ.
It’s probably not apparent on the first watch but there are many throwbacks and subtle references to DBZ.
"Goku and friends" whenever you say that I can't help but laugh because it's so accurate lmao.
Dragon Ball Super: Broly is the first Dragon Super movie! Battle Of The Gods and Resurrection F is Dragon Ball Z movies right?
correct
So I clicked on this to have a good laugh, but what I got wasn't laughs. Literally everything this guy said was wrong and infuriating instead. Compared to Super, Z had no faults at all. Notice what I just said. COMPARED TO SUPER, Z had no faults. In reality, Z absolutely had flaws, but Super as a whole was flawed from the beginning and only got worse until it ended. I actually could sit here and go though every single point and explain why it's wrong, but let's be real...no one is going to read it. Honestly, even GT is better. Much better in fact. GT also had major flaws, but nowhere near as much as Super. DBS was so bad that it actually made some people watch GT and they came out and said "Oh. You know what? It's not as bad as I thought.". That's right. DBS made GT better than what people thought for those who actually watched it. I don't hate Super by any means...but it could have been SO much better than what it was. Not better than Z for what we were given, but better than what we got.
Super at least made a lot more sense than z did for me.
disagree DBZ transformations were more authentic . DBS you get one tranformation then after 5 episodes or so get another they dont last. SSJ was crucial for a huge part of DBZ.
It was crucial until Trunks showed up, so not even that long.
@@KonariVibez True but do the dbs transformations last though?
@@SoulJustInCase They do, since they have more useful perks like GoD being energy conservative. SSJ Blue being tacticallly used for more power and speed bursts, etc. UI being a technique. SSJ levels lasted but were honestly overhyped, mainly by Vegeta.
Dragonball Z is a pure Masterpiece. Super on the other hand is mediocre period. Except for the movie it was good but still lacked sense of scale though!
Cry.
A pure masterpiece has no flaws, i hate making babies cry but, Z has flaws so no its not a "pure" masterpiece
@@pastjdzz hahah look who is talking cant take a good criticism in the face
@@FEdelasJONSEnjoyer why?
@@FEdelasJONSEnjoyer super movie lacked sense of scale
, like really with all that power their still in the same continent like they should be destroying planets by now. Inconsistency at its best nothing new in the table
dragon ball super was good not legendary like dbz but it had its moments like ultra instinct and the goku black saga was decent but it should be called the adventures of goku and vegeta instead of dragon ball super lol
50 things Dragon Ball Z does better than Dragon Ball Super LOL 😂
Natsu Dragneel 「AMV」 GT trash asf😂😂
@Natsu Dragneel 「AMV」 gt trash
Fuck out of here
@@SonGoku-777 yeah gt is trash but dbs is just pure shit.
well everything has to have haters, yet Super is loved by a pretty sizeable group, just as it's hated.
@@TheUltimateRare true
Goku singing Cha-La
DBZ obviously the GOAT. They had blood 🩸! Come on now, how could Super compete with that! Blood is offensive to ppl in today’s generation. SMH. But I still think DBS held its own and lived up to the standards of DBZ in its own way unlike that disgusting non Toriyama filth DBGT.
What about everything Z does better than super?
That would take years to explain
That would defeat the point of the entire video. It's much more interesting to point out the things the perceived inferior series does better than the perceived superior series, than it is to do the reverse.
Literally everyone is saying that Z is better than Super. I mean, come on, Z isn't love and life. It's not just Z, Z, Z, Z, Z, Z, Z, Z, Z, Z, Z, Z, Z, Z, Z all the time. At least give some room to point out the more unpopular opinions and perceptions. Like, for example, this video.
The thing it did worse: Why and how are there only 28 Planets with mortals in the universe? Is Freezers Empire supposed to be so small?
ailon92 - They did not say there were only 28 planets, but 28 planets with life. Not difficult to imagine that Freezer could have asked life to be wipe out on some planets or even destroyed some.
Roshi liking women is "problematic"? You're why everything is so serious nowadays... its supposed to be comical.
Do you not understand that it was problematic because he couldn't fight with the universe because there were women warriors from other universes and he wouldn't be able to fight while they are there
This is the feminist take on DB lol CBR is a feminist mouth piece. Trying to find MeToo & Identity politics tag lines.
Yeah well why that cant be said about super
Anybody else think this guy's points are just bad... For example
1. Comedy in Z was far and few between but felt great and was funny. As for Super there was a lot of comedy but it felt very childish and stupid. (Pretty sure I didn't laugh throughout the entire Super series until the broly movie came out.)
2. He argues that Super Trunks is better than Z Trunks because he plays a bigger role in Super and doesn't get "sidelined" like he did in Z. I'm pretty sure that everyone loved Z Trunks much more and I definitely don't think he got sidelined in Z just because he didn't kill the villain.
3. For some reason he puts a huge emphasis on Kale and Kefla just because they are female saiyans and goes as far as to say "they are interesting characters and a major breath of fresh air." Kale and kefla where characters pretty much made just for fan service and had some of the worst power scaling and character development I've ever seen in a DB character and because of that pretty much the entire fan base hated them. (Even Japanese fans didn't like them.)
And the list goes on. this is just 3 examples.
Oh you better delete this...
Those ride-or-die Z fans will go crazy.
😂😂
dragon ball super is far better animated than dbz
Are u blind?
And I just realized this video was only posted 26 min ago
And i just realized this comment was only made 26 min ago
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Dogboi76 why are you offended both are the same franchise
@@MrScythe6 Explain the part where I'm offended
Dogboi76 “Nothing” despite that’s literally the title of the video. We all love dbz and know its better but there are credits for dbs too
"The Same franchise" That's where the problem kicks in they had over 20 years to make a good series but they just made it worse even Z has flaws and is overrated in my opinion the only underrated series in the franchise is the OG DB in my opinion also super is trash power scaling sucks why is frieza back why no blood why is broly god level why was gohan in ultimate in BOG but not in ressurection of shit
@@okyes3717 The artists left
No blood because its PG
Broly is god level because hes a legendary Super Saiyan with limitless potentional which was also his DBZ side duhh?
Friezas back because he was wished back duhhh? Gohan was ultimate in BOG because he simply powered up duhh? He just found out about Videl being pregnant in BOG. Rof hes obviously gone into full fatherhood and stopped fighting until T.O.P.
Why are you commentating about DB when you know nothing about it wether you think you do or not you clearly dont to be pointing out such easy answering plot points. Plus give me a break about DB it was an adventure show between a horny ass teenager and a clueless Goku that was one tapping enemies unless its Piccolo or Tao
Dragonball z showed more growth and made fan hope and dream more. I disagree with all your points about super as it just copied dragonballz and really never understood why they did what they did. My opinion.
14:57 Man talk about best for Last.
You’re right pal, I don’t care what anyone says. Caulifla and Kale are indeed the best thing to come out of Dragon Ball Super.
they are alright, I like Hit and some of the neat fighters near the end better though. those 2 girls were basically a stepping stone to show off what goku can do now, rather than being important. if they get more screen time in a future saga, maybe that will change.
Why? The cheapened going Super Saiyan..."oh look It took me 10 minutes to do this thing, it took these people all their lives to accomplish and before that generations of Saiyans weren't able to do, but...WE know about the tingling and can do it in a few minutes!"...It's stupid, and I understand why they did it, but it doesn't make sense
Lol how??
DBZ was/is/always will be the best 😌
@Ultra Dragon Ball I prefer dbs
Are you kidding super has better forms? Super saiyan original is better than everything than super so iconic
Super is actually waaaaaaay funnier than Dragon ball z
Yes
@TFK RMN don't even try to be salty
Super is not nearly as trashy as z
I like how they coordinated more team battles. Z had a few but were mostly just one on one spars. Imagine if the Z warriors had a full out assault on the Saiyans when they came to Earth. Especially without Vegeta wanting to join in the beginning it would have been cool seeing the gang attack Napa and the Saibamen
nobody? The fusion with the pantaras is permanent, when one of two is a kai, not both, only one has to be a kai
Right the old Kai got fused with a fan witch 🧹🙆
I was skepticle there were this many things 'better' but I admit most of this was true except comparing a 2019 full funded movie's animation to a 1990s anime.. especially when most of supers actual animation is awful with next to no fight choreography at all.
I kinda wish they did more things that seemed weird for certain characters like Goku reading minds Vegeta raising rocks out of the ground
chocolate sensei sama i imagine that high Ki levels allow people to access psychic powers. Though, they kinda dropped this after the Freeza saga. With the exception of Freeza still doing it now and then.
@@SakuraAvalon No they don't dumbfuck they just help you use lasers and blast and shit
@@quanturiaowens2643 You can channel your ki into inanimate objects and move them.
@@neoanimefreak_7606 Actually ki doesn't allow that but helps you create traps,weapons,lasers and more! Unless you're frieza, it doesn't apply to goku in any way , and also before you try to say some shit like that use actual evidence, like come on,how can you use raw power to read minds?or telekanisis ? Or even seeing through illusions? Explain that.
@@quanturiaowens2643 Can't read minds, but you can read a persons aura and get things off them, nothing like mind reading but yeah. And you can manipulate things with your ki, people even do it in real life. Illusions are just when you get right down to it, tricks of the mind. Just like how you can use your ki on things, you can use your ki on your surroundings.
1:43 “Another thing that Super does better than DBZ is raising the stakes”
I swear to god I almost clicked off this video after I heard that
DBZ raised stakes everytime the same way(goku is away, friends are getting their ass kicked ,at long last goku makes the grand entry , fightt every saga its the same way stakes r raised ) DBZ is pure nostalgia but DBS (until hit comes to the scene is bullshit) after hit it really gets interesting DBS s5 is just WOW correcting the flaws it raised stakes in a diversified way not the same way again and again.
ah the good ol days, watching funimation and having only two commercials ever playing.... bio broly and some fullmetal alchemist videogame commercial
I'm just happy for more Dragon Ball....
right? ENough of this hate Nonsense, just stop talking about super if they hate it so much, they don't have to worry about it. i don't even see much people talk about GT, cause they grew up and got over themselves.
Exactly what I came on here to say. Best thing about Super is that we got more Dragon Ball. Let's just enjoy it for what it is. As shitty as GT was, it was a further Dragon Ball fix. And Super is a massive improvement on GT
@@mattbarlow1398 Oh hell no it aint
For fucks sake, more ppl that misunderstand z broly
I have to disagree with the trunks, cuz in dbs trunks arc is....he had no arc
And bad animation BAD ANIM ATIONS!?!?!?! Yes in the first 2 arcs but not after that
It seems that everybody is complaining about the animation, so I'm here to clear this up: It is not the animator's fault, it was due to a short time period to animate between each episode, resulting in them putting rough drafts in place of a finished piece of animation, a lot of people will say that it's due to inexperienced animators which is not true, a lot of the animators there were actually veterans from DBZ such as, Masahiro Shimanuki, Hiroyuki Itai, Osamu Ishikawa, Yoshitaka Yashima, Hirotaka Nii, Shuichiro Manabe, Yuichi Karasawa, Futoshi Higashide, Noaki Tate, and the legend.... Naotoshi Shida! But anyways, please don't hate on Dragon Ball Super for it's animation, hate on the people that gave the animators very little time to complete the episodes.
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I loved dragon ball super and thought the animation was well. I like the humor in it. I haven’t been able to watch dragon ball z so that could be a reason why. I hope they either continue or make another sequel series
So you watched super without watching Z?
ZEUS B312 kinda had no choice, I wanted to watch it but no way. DBS had all the episodes on demand so I watched that and really enjoyed it. I want to watch the original and Z just working on a way to watch it without breaking the bank.
@@matthewlupinacci9380 you can download the goat anime app from the play store
I honestly rate DB higher than DBZ.
It's funnier for sure
@@ahtalk9847 I don't know for me it doesn't feel as serious as Z
IMO the fact that DBZ has Bruce Falconers music literally is enough. Its hard to imagine my favorite DBZ Scenes without his epic music!.
Screw that, Ocean Dub was the REAL thing from the get-go. Even if i'm the only one who thinks that.
@syed jawad It has it's variety but i had no problem with that really. My personal favorite totally hypes it up ''Army Awakening'' but there is no doubt that the early Ocean dub has the phenomenal soundtracks.
Hang on, the reason Goku lost control of his ki was due to combining super sayain blue with kioken times 20 which is a risky power boost not because of a baseball match it was when universe 7 and 6 had a small tournament
Ultra instinct isn't a form it is a technique
One thing dbz does better than dbs: always uploads episodes early