@@unironicasshole9041if you read Junger the battlefield was usually illuminated with flares and in any case anything being fired (like artillery) would be extremely easy to spot
Somewhere in Germany, 1917 Designer:"Damn it Erika, i told you to keep an eye on our son Hans while i'm working, he even put his drawing in my blueprint suitcase!" Erika:"oh c'mon he done no harm, no one is stupid enough to think your son's silly drawing is an actual blueprint" *100 years later* 0:20
+Forgotten Weapons There is an error in your reasoning of the hole for stock or static post. During that time airfields were fields without dedicated runways. The direction of landing or taking of depended totally on the wind.
"And, lo, did the good Lord, Gun Jesus, bring unto us his preferred method with which to illuminate targets with his most blessed of Puckle guns. As he raised it aloft, he spaketh of its functions and features: 'BEHOLD! THIS IS MINE FLARE PISTOL OF TRUTH! THE TRIGGER MAY BE HEAVY, BUT SO, TOO, IS THE WEIGHT OF MY WISDOM! THE UNREASONABLY LONG, CRUNCHY, NASTY PULL SHALL REMIND WHOMEVER SHOULD HAVE THIS BESTOWED UPON THEIR COLLECTION THAT THEY SHALL NOW BEAR THIS BURDEN. YET, THEY SHALL NOT DESPAIR OF THE WEIGHT, NOR OF THE GROSS TRIGGER PULL, AS SUCH A BURDEN CAN MAKE FOR A REALLY HANDY CLUB, IN A PINCH." -Book of Rock Island, Chapter 12, verse 15.
Oh look Herr Leutnant, they sent us some sort of pan flute. >starts whistling< Wait, what's the lever for? And that children was the day, when the mustache went out of fashion.
I have landed on a grass field lined with burn barrels at night in a light plane (Citabria). While the barrels were quite effective for lining up and easy to see from a distance, you couldn't see the grass surface, which was quite unnerving on an unimproved field. Top down illumination such as would be provided by flares would be much better (or perhaps both).
I can't help thinking how flammable WW1 aircraft were with their wood and doped fabric construction, and wondering how many aircraft were accidentally lost to flare-caused fires.
I wonder if the bracket on the pistol grip might be to allow it to be mounted on an aircraft to allow the pilot to illuminate his own landing spot. The lug or bracket looks a little like the mountings on some aircraft machine guns. In and just after WW1 up to the nineteen-thirties the RAF fitted electrically fired flares under the wings of some aircraft to act as landing lights before the advent of small powerful electric lamps. The huge trigger looks like it was designed to be used by someone wearing thick flying gauntlets.
Key words a lot of them because flares do not last that long and thus a limited amount of ammunition for them or time it can buy you. However Vin Diesel had a augmented night vision capability but it came with a major drawback. He could not see in the day with out a heavily light shielded set of goggles. And one could assume with out those goggles you could seriously damage his night sight just by exposing his eyes to light.
This was also a high light of the movie that fact that this space fairing civilization with all of its advanced technology could not keep the dark at bay.
when i was a very naughty boy in 1950's a had a Webley very pistol.when at last we found some flares for it (from croydon airport ) much fun was had .(and no animals where hurt ) the good old days..
I estimate, but don't quote me on it, that it would be something like catching a slightly above soft throw (baseball) but offcenter, like when it pulls your fingers back.
I've always wondered about this aspect of flares (mostly depicted as location in case of emergency or exfil tools), if there ever was a automatic/semiautomatic means to run them up. I mean, sure, i know about the shotgun shell variant, which could be run from the auto-shotguns, but back then, in the older days when they didn't question the how, more the need and just did it. A flare machine gun, or a flare minigun. :)) that'd be funny to shoot.
Every time Ian says in one of his videos "let me show you up close" instead in my head I hear Jörg Spraves saying, with his German accent, "Let me show you it's features!" and then his unique laughter. ;-)
I can't help thinking.... Hear I am trying to land my Folker tri-plane that is covered in the finest German linen on a rough grass field in the dark with dozens of magnesium flares going off around me... Yeah this is going to end well!!!
Is there a supplemental mag/clip safety on it? There is a stud on the bottom of the clip which seems to engage somewhere in the housing close the the trigger.
Can’t believe this didn’t sell. There must a military museum somewhere, perhaps in Germany, that could add it to their collection. And Ian is a terrific salesman - just though his knowledge. Oh well, perhaps it didn’t meet the reserve price.
How did they resist the urge to change the barrel lengths so it plays a rousing march as it fires. that things great. imagine a firebase ringed by those things. Is it a fence? Is it AAA? nobody knows!
Cool device. I doubt the point of four barrels was to illuminate large areas though. Rather the point would be to allow coded messages to be sent using color coded flare groups to direct defensive SOS artillery barrages on designated sectors, direct the pace of offensive barrages and call for zone fire on popup targets. This kind of fire direction was very important to German 1917-1918 tactics. If you had to do it with single flare pistols your odds of firing the correct signal, and having it picked up by rearward observes with field telephones, would naturally be much lower.
I think technically flare launchers should never be classified as guns. Illuminating tool that is, not damaging tool, although even with flashlight you can deliver some damage. But the GunJesus named it correctly a pistol, which is just a one hand grip with trigger (to deliver some filling into the holes f.e.) So not all pistols are forgotten weapons on this channel from now on.
I think a harmonica design would have been better. Have the barrel cluster advance when the trigger is released, thus ejecting the cluster after the last shot. Then you just insert a new cluster and keep firing.
Communication is critical in combat and flares are just about the best thing to use in a low light or night time situation. loud noises when you barely have a sense of direction in low light or night conditions are detrimental to the soldier. They also can illuminate the enemy. This isn't always good because as we all know tracers work both ways same goes for flares. *edit* unless you have a radio directly in your ear. But we are talking about the great war so radio headsets weren't that mobile.
I would imagine someone would hold it with the other hand on the hump on the back if it were the case to shoot it unmounted, this thing seems pretty unwieldy
From just a photograph, with nothing to tell you the scale, you'd think you were looking at a late 19th-early 20th century four barreled .22 or something.
That is a neat flare gun and all, but I am not sure it is all that needed. Flare guns at that time were not cheap plastic like they are today, so if you have a single shot and a pouch of flare, that should do the job just fine...but I still would not mind having this for my collection, ha.
I wonder which will be more effective against an enemy soldier. 1. Shoot four rounds of flare against the enemy and hope any of them hit him, and moreover gives effective damage than to just burn his cloth a little bit. 2. Hold the device reverse and swing it to smash the enemy with its rear part like an axe, pull the trigger to accelerate the swing using the recoil. I bet on number 2. It looks lethal by itself already.
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That's a great pistol to dual wield while screaming "I AM THE LIGHT!"
Dr_Kachu san Or i'm the bringer of light.
I AM THE runWAY!
I visualize this and giggle my ass off.
"I am the way and the light, but sometimes the light is muzzle flash." - Ian
I suddenly had a scene in my head featuring Nicolas Cage.
Even with flares it probably took one hell of a pilot to land those early aircraft at night.
It probably took one hell of a pilot to land those early aircraft.
JohnLeePedimore the fact they done night missions is dumb no night vision or much chance of finding any thing
j j the moon is actually kinda shiny at night
joe kurtz not a lot even during ww2 the airmen struggled
@@unironicasshole9041if you read Junger the battlefield was usually illuminated with flares and in any case anything being fired (like artillery) would be extremely easy to spot
Somewhere in Germany, 1917
Designer:"Damn it Erika, i told you to keep an eye on our son Hans while i'm working, he even put his drawing in my blueprint suitcase!"
Erika:"oh c'mon he done no harm, no one is stupid enough to think your son's silly drawing is an actual blueprint"
*100 years later*
0:20
I think the term Clipazine would work for this gun.
You know, you're not completely wrong
Before firing for illumination " Break yourself fool"...every round
Mosin nagant assault rifle full auto revolver
Laggy McLaggylag you know your right it kinda is isn't it
I think the best description would be a breech-loader with removable sets of barrels
"This darkness insults the Kaiser! Things will get bright now!"
I never thought one could use slaanesh qoutes for german ww 1 purposes....
Noise marine quotes. Slaanesh only would speak in orgasms and screams of pain.
Ohh slaanesh, this exquiste.
Even with a raging category 5 hurricane right outside my door, I never miss an upload of Forgotten Weapons. Greeting from USVI
Joan Summers Stay safe and good luck!
Fuck you internet still works?
Mine takes a slight wind to knock the fcker down
Hats off - I would be shittin' bricks in your place! The very notion of a category 5 hurricane, which reaches formula1 windspeeds make me shiver...
I watched ian as my bottom story flooded the last hurricane
Joan Summers Godspeed, buddy.
looks like they asked a child to draw a "cool gun"
Kobe it really does
and that child fucking delivered
Kobe MORE BARRELS MORE FUN
Seems like it might have a barrel axis problem.
I am fairly sure hands would fly off..
+Forgotten Weapons There is an error in your reasoning of the hole for stock or static post. During that time airfields were fields without dedicated runways. The direction of landing or taking of depended totally on the wind.
"And, lo, did the good Lord, Gun Jesus, bring unto us his preferred method with which to illuminate targets with his most blessed of Puckle guns. As he raised it aloft, he spaketh of its functions and features:
'BEHOLD! THIS IS MINE FLARE PISTOL OF TRUTH! THE TRIGGER MAY BE HEAVY, BUT SO, TOO, IS THE WEIGHT OF MY WISDOM! THE UNREASONABLY LONG, CRUNCHY, NASTY PULL SHALL REMIND WHOMEVER SHOULD HAVE THIS BESTOWED UPON THEIR COLLECTION THAT THEY SHALL NOW BEAR THIS BURDEN.
YET, THEY SHALL NOT DESPAIR OF THE WEIGHT, NOR OF THE GROSS TRIGGER PULL, AS SUCH A BURDEN CAN MAKE FOR A REALLY HANDY CLUB, IN A PINCH."
-Book of Rock Island, Chapter 12, verse 15.
I'm a few years late, but I must say that this is the most underrated comment in all of Forgotten Weapons' comment sections.
Oh look Herr Leutnant, they sent us some sort of pan flute.
>starts whistling<
Wait, what's the lever for?
And that children was the day, when the mustache went out of fashion.
Ringo Wunderlich
😂
😂
Seems like a good concealed carry pistol lmao
Best when used with basketball shorts
I have landed on a grass field lined with burn barrels at night in a light plane (Citabria). While the barrels were quite effective for lining up and easy to see from a distance, you couldn't see the grass surface, which was quite unnerving on an unimproved field. Top down illumination such as would be provided by flares would be much better (or perhaps both).
I can't help thinking how flammable WW1 aircraft were with their wood and doped fabric construction, and wondering how many aircraft were accidentally lost to flare-caused fires.
I wonder if the bracket on the pistol grip might be to allow it to be mounted on an aircraft to allow the pilot to illuminate his own landing spot. The lug or bracket looks a little like the mountings on some aircraft machine guns. In and just after WW1 up to the nineteen-thirties the RAF fitted electrically fired flares under the wings of some aircraft to act as landing lights before the advent of small powerful electric lamps. The huge trigger looks like it was designed to be used by someone wearing thick flying gauntlets.
It looks like it would work better as a club than as a flare pistol...
Regolith It looks like it weighs at least a good 3 pounds
As someone who has a tiny collection of flare guns it amazes me that one gun has more barrels then all mine combined. I want it.
They could've used a lot of these in Pitch Black.
Key words a lot of them because flares do not last that long and thus a limited amount of ammunition for them or time it can buy you. However Vin Diesel had a augmented night vision capability but it came with a major drawback. He could not see in the day with out a heavily light shielded set of goggles. And one could assume with out those goggles you could seriously damage his night sight just by exposing his eyes to light.
This was also a high light of the movie that fact that this space fairing civilization with all of its advanced technology could not keep the dark at bay.
Can't wait to dual wield these in BF1
would this thing use the fabled "magazine clip"?
Cpt Placeholder ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY CLIPAZINE!!
when i was a very naughty boy in 1950's a had a Webley very pistol.when at last we found some flares for it (from croydon airport ) much fun was had .(and no animals where hurt ) the good old days..
I had thought they all fired at once for some reason. Can you imagine the recoil?
Hahaha, I saw this in their catalog and thought it was hilarious. Glad you did a video on it, because it's actually pretty cool.
C96 Mauser: Yeah, I guess I have a relatively high bore-axis
Gebrüder Rempt: Hold my glühwein.
This would easily be my ideal EDC / Home Defense pistol. 4 man stopping 8 gauge slugs, with easy quick reload in a small package.
For maximum effect load them with buckshot and black powder and pray it doesn't blow your hand off.
Terribly Canadian I
which it undoubtedly will
Terribly Canadian
Aaaaannnnhddddddd...........a bunch of people gain the nickname "Lefty" very suddenly!
Terribly Canadian
Instructions unclear, penis stuck in 2nd chamber, thumb stuck in 4th chamber
Terribly Canadian
Aaaaaaannnnnnndddddddd a SWAT team just broke down my door, because I slipped and hit the trigger by accident.
Maybe we should call it a packet like the Blake Rifle?
Love your channel keep up the good work
I wonder how uncomfortable it would be to fire
I estimate, but don't quote me on it, that it would be something like catching a slightly above soft throw (baseball) but offcenter, like when it pulls your fingers back.
Crocodile dundee had one of these "that's not a flare gun, this is a flare gun!"
just found this channel and the host and the weapons are great. subbed boooiii!
I've seen double barrel flare pistols before. But that is a new one for me.
any idea how the trigger system was constructed? is there a patent drawing or a view inside somewhere available?
I've always wondered about this aspect of flares (mostly depicted as location in case of emergency or exfil tools), if there ever was a automatic/semiautomatic means to run them up. I mean, sure, i know about the shotgun shell variant, which could be run from the auto-shotguns, but back then, in the older days when they didn't question the how, more the need and just did it. A flare machine gun, or a flare minigun. :)) that'd be funny to shoot.
Assault Flare Gun?
why not?
Every time Ian says in one of his videos "let me show you up close" instead in my head I hear Jörg Spraves saying, with his German accent, "Let me show you it's features!" and then his unique laughter. ;-)
This actually looks like the Fusion Cutter weapon from Dark Forces!
Daaamn, it does. I knew it looked familiar and could _not_ figure out why.
The real life inspiration for the Jeron Fusion Cutter 😁
I can't help thinking.... Hear I am trying to land my Folker tri-plane that is covered in the finest German linen on a rough grass field in the dark with dozens of magnesium flares going off around me... Yeah this is going to end well!!!
What the hell are the flares for? The thing is so fucking big you can see it with a naked eye from the fucking stratosphere.
ian, everytime you post a video a tad bit of stress leaves me, thankyou
Would have loved to see the internals on this.
Is there a supplemental mag/clip safety on it? There is a stud on the bottom of the clip which seems to engage somewhere in the housing close the the trigger.
There is no auction on September 27 on the RIA web site.
At first I thought it was a rocket boosted butcher's knife.
Looks like that noisy thing on a pole they turn on every Friday at noon.
Wow this is the coolest looking flare guns ive ever seen...
Can’t believe this didn’t sell. There must a military museum somewhere, perhaps in Germany, that could add it to their collection. And Ian is a terrific salesman - just though his knowledge. Oh well, perhaps it didn’t meet the reserve price.
Whoa! A real life Jeron fusion cutter from Star Wars Dark Forces. Mind blown
could also double as a portable field artillery cannon if you need one.
You might as well make a special "magazine" that's just a cleaver head that attaches into the frame of this flare pistol.
That German was high off something to make a QUADRUPLE BARREL FLARE GUN. As if one flare wasn't enough.
Not if you want to illuminate an airstrip. Or the enemy trenchline. This is not a signalgun.
Mial isus *Googles* What in the World.......I am german, and thats too much for me.....
How did they resist the urge to change the barrel lengths so it plays a rousing march as it fires.
that things great. imagine a firebase ringed by those things. Is it a fence? Is it AAA? nobody knows!
I accidentally read that as QUAD BARREL FUN GUN.... and I think thats still probably a valid name for this
i wonder why they went for this design instead of pepperbox type revolver
altair1983 Simpler and quicker to reload with the clipizine system most likely
I think I would use the term cassette to describe the barrel/magazine assembly.
This, flare pistol was in Star Wars:Dark Forces as Jeron fusioncutter!
MythicFrost Well, something very similar and likely inspired by it sure was!
I searched for the comments to see if someone else caught this.
aww... I thougt it would fire all four at the same time.
would give you a nice line of flares =)
They need to make this one for the Pyro on TF2
Cool device. I doubt the point of four barrels was to illuminate large areas though.
Rather the point would be to allow coded messages to be sent using color coded flare groups to direct defensive SOS artillery barrages on designated sectors, direct the pace of offensive barrages and call for zone fire on popup targets. This kind of fire direction was very important to German 1917-1918 tactics. If you had to do it with single flare pistols your odds of firing the correct signal, and having it picked up by rearward observes with field telephones, would naturally be much lower.
Firing the topmost barrel must have been a real wrist-breaker. I'm guessing you'd probably want to hold the metal part at the back with your off-hand.
Use it to provide some light or knock somebody's lights out.
Despite its strange appearance. This device looked quite useful for its time.
I think technically flare launchers should never be classified as guns. Illuminating tool that is, not damaging tool, although even with flashlight you can deliver some damage. But the GunJesus named it correctly a pistol, which is just a one hand grip with trigger (to deliver some filling into the holes f.e.) So not all pistols are forgotten weapons on this channel from now on.
I think a harmonica design would have been better.
Have the barrel cluster advance when the trigger is released, thus ejecting the cluster after the last shot. Then you just insert a new cluster and keep firing.
Communication is critical in combat and flares are just about the best thing to use in a low light or night time situation. loud noises when you barely have a sense of direction in low light or night conditions are detrimental to the soldier. They also can illuminate the enemy. This isn't always good because as we all know tracers work both ways same goes for flares. *edit* unless you have a radio directly in your ear. But we are talking about the great war so radio headsets weren't that mobile.
Thank you for another great video, Gun Jesus.
Would it be possible to alter this to support automatic fire?
...just wonderin'.
This is in the September 8-10 auction.
I think this would be the only circumstance you could use the clipazine label
Perfect pronunciation of "Gebrüder Rempt".
Greetings from germany
Ian, do you have any info on the Kjellman machine gun? From my research the Kjellman actually predates the maxim by a few years.
The scout's flare gun is due for an upgrade. This would be so op if dice were ever to add this into bf1.
Looks like the fusion cutter from Star Wars: Dark Forces.
I would imagine someone would hold it with the other hand on the hump on the back if it were the case to shoot it unmounted, this thing seems pretty unwieldy
That was my conclusion as well.
Would be nice to see how it works inside...
It also doubles as a good bash your enemies face in thingermabob.
Just imagine firing a 10 gauge slug from the top barrel while holding the thing in your hands.
I wonder what it made at the auction.
Have you ever looked at a Vickers K machine gun? They look interesting and rather forgotten, if you can find one!
World's first flare gun conversion of pan flutes. That's the power of German engineering.
It looks like the fusion cutter for the Star Wars game Dark Forces.
From just a photograph, with nothing to tell you the scale, you'd think you were looking at a late 19th-early 20th century four barreled .22 or something.
Who would be operating the pistol - pilot, or airfield manager???
Reminds me of the Fusion Cutter from the Dark Forces game.
When not in use illuminating airfields it could be used as a makeshift ping pong paddle in place of the one Pvt. Franz lost.
“Hans fire ze flare gun!”
“Which one?”
“I don’t care one of them”
I would argue that that's a clip, not a magazine, since it has no spring, nor follower.
That is a neat flare gun and all, but I am not sure it is all that needed. Flare guns at that time were not cheap plastic like they are today, so if you have a single shot and a pouch of flare, that should do the job just fine...but I still would not mind having this for my collection, ha.
Would you recommend for edc?
how much did it end up being sold for?
I would think you could use different colored flares to send a limited number of predetermined messages across a wide area.
Imagine how utterly devastating it would be if you replaced the flares with some 00 buck and inserts.
Must be dual-purpose for melee combat
Good question on whether that is a clip or magazine. Since it also is the barrel maybe it could be called a clibarrezine. Haha
One of my godfather's prized possessions was a flare gun supposedly out of a B-17.
I wonder which will be more effective against an enemy soldier.
1. Shoot four rounds of flare against the enemy and hope any of them hit him, and moreover gives effective damage than to just burn his cloth a little bit.
2. Hold the device reverse and swing it to smash the enemy with its rear part like an axe, pull the trigger to accelerate the swing using the recoil.
I bet on number 2. It looks lethal by itself already.
Since its a WW1 design, I can see one of these doubling as a fantastic trench club.
Hell, even firing it at an enemy in the normal way sounds like it would be pretty unpleasant for the enemy. Magnesium burns _hot..._
The grip looks like one of a hebel
Hans, tell everyone in a 3000 mile radius we need help.
I know it’s a dead horse, but I would be so happy to use this in BF1.
Can flares be used for self defense?
$9,500 minimum estimate. Wooooo boy, don't think this one would be on my list.