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Why you SHOULD avoid mismatched damage equipment.
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- Опубликовано: 12 авг 2024
- update***Tyranny is good now extra dmg cap stuff makes it harder to cap now but the logic is still the same
A guide to how to build for the most effective characters + A solo Firewyrm for build proving
The Math formula = ((#Damage cap) - (#damage dealt with no Attack boost))/(#damage cap) = Amount of damage + to put on build
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00:00 Intro
0:17 Damage cap and maximizing damage
3:33 Supplementary damage and why its not required
7:35 Unrecommended sigils
9:02 Summary and over masteries
10:49 Extro
11:26 Solo firewyrm with build for proof of concept
I have since switched out one Overdrive assassin for a supplementary damage because of diminishing returns from two overdrive sigils
The overdrive assassin is mostly for performing breaks faster in blood lust and doing more SBA damage in overdrive as well because the cap on damage is very high typically. Try it you will notice a big difference in the bosses i kill you scenes. But a lot of people Min max only damage so Play how you want. I and most people are not speed runners or Mod hunters
I live by the creed: "Your DPS doesn't matter if you're dead on the floor"
This is true.. Better to not die than to risk it for the biscuit
That just means you're a bad support.
@@charlieflight6124 the dynamics changed since this video. I dont know anyone that runs support honestly. everyone just goes DPS potion hoarder
@@ryechew Well... Now I feel special with my stun,healer/debuffer Gran...
@@charlieflight6124 You should. Thats how i like to play garn/djeeta. I dont do healer though just because too many people run life on the line.
One stat i find very useful as a bonus is Uplift, i have 3 sigils with it as the secondary stat and that 30% SB gain really makes a difference, especially when using characters with high attack output like Charlotta (my main), Ferry, lancelot etc or on characters who lack sb gain like siegfried or eugen who attack slower for maximum dmg output
Getting your SBs fast really helps in fights where you want to cheese overdrives or boss mechanics, with a good party i've been getting 2 SBs in one rotation on proto bahamut consistently
Its so good to SBA Bahamut when he does the claw attack on the ship on a flyby. Freezes him in place so the party can get some deeps in.
Excellent info thank you.
You just gained a sub :)
Thanks i misspoke a little on Overdrive and bloodthirst though. I fixed it but it was mostly to perform breaks in bloodthirst mode.
Just stumbled on your channel champ and I’m going to say I dig your style and enjoy your break downs and explanations and showing real builds, because i know most want to show the same damage sigils but don’t explain survivability or real theory crafting builds so thank you good sir
I appreciate that. Also showing a build and saying saying thre suppV sigils and one is a Critrate supp with some other obviously nodded sigils is wild to tell people to run a build. Or even suggesting people running glass cannon is crazy haha
I am pretty sure that's not how overdrive works. Overdrive (and bloodlust) reduce the damage *caps* as well as the damage you deal. Overdrive reduces damage caps by ~10%-30%, and bloodlust by ~75%-90%. The cap is still there though - even in your fight on the fire dragon you can see fire dragon overdrive damage cap reduction is ~10% on first overdrive and 30% on second. You're doing 62k per ice bolt outside of overdrive, and 56k within the first overdrive, and 44k in the second overdrive. My builds on io with 0 overdrive assassin do the exact same numbers.
The main reason to "overcap" on damage is because some characters have wildly different damage caps per move. Io and Charlotta are good examples. Io's SBA is insanely hard to cap, most builds will not even reach 50% of the cap on most of its hits - this also makes SBA cap almost a dead stat on Io (and a lot of other characters). Io's god roll OM's are gonna be something like normal cap, crit, skill cap + one of either attack, sba damage (NOT cap), or chain burst damage. Charlotta's square/x finisher is similarly crazy hard to cap on its first 5 hits, with most builds barely reaching 20% of the cap. Whether or not it's worth it for you to massively overcap on raw damage just to improve the caps on those few abilities is up to players to decide. In *these* situations, something like overdrive assassin could be useful - but even then I think most players would prefer to always raise the damage on those abilities rather than have it be conditional.
Maygi has a spreadsheet of all the damage caps for almost every character in the game, you can play around with it to find out exactly what combination of sigils you need to hit the caps you care about.
This comment was helpful I got the words on bloodlust and overdrive mixed up I guess. I didn't know this about overdrive though. Imma have to do more testing now. You CAN hit the dmg cap pretty easy with combo booster on Io. Ille probably edit the overdrive part out of the vid out. Overdrive assassin still doubles the damage in BLOODLUST so that's been why my fights take way less time it performs breaks way quicker specially in a hole team of overdrive assassin ai. At the beginning of video I said to do the math with all the skills you care about not just one.
Everyone thought I was crazy running flight or fight with Lancelot. Thank you for giving that sigil props
Lancelot is a savage with it. "Heeya huuu heeya huu uuh uuh heeya"
Running dodge payback with it to get some attack back. Thinking of actually playing around a flight or fight Lancelot build revolving around skills and sba instead of all out attack. 🤔
you can try glass canon if you wanna push your damage cap further or you can try flight over fight if you love dodging (add improve dodge , nimble defense, and nimble onslaught for better effects), and add supplementary dmg
This game not just for full damage build you can try all build that suitable for your playstyle
Glass cannon is good on literally one character 😭
@@jamesonedwardsii4943 nope, i use it on my zeta or narmaya
I dislike glass cannon for everything not on slimepede and bahamut
@@ryechew its up to you, other than damage cap you truly free to make your own build to match your playstyle
@rflchannel I agree with that statement. As long as your hitting cap your doing good enough to not weigh team down. Well, as long as skill isn't butholes
It feels good to finally see someone who doesn't tell us to use full DMG Cap, Stamina, Tyranny and Sup DMG.
yeah i don't know why people are just focused on damage. The difference between max deeps and just damage cap is like 30 seconds.
For those who can consistently perfect dodge, i would highly suggest maxing Nimble onslaught because it extends invulnerability up to 7 seconds for free uninterrupted dmg, which is very useful against bosses that spam attacks like Galanza or when fighting multiple bosses at once, as well as other different situations. It also helps you skip some of the dangerous multi-hit attacks during bloodlust phases just by perfect dodging once every 7 seconds. Not to mention it also lowers cd and regens some SBA, which also contribute to extra dps in the long run.
Yeah i have since this video changed my build slightly. I kept overdrive though and now i have better sigils nimble offense is great though isnt it.
Fight or flight sounds insane, everyday I’m made more aware of sigils I had no idea about lol
I know there is one called stronghold I've never seen but some how some youtubers have 4 and claim ligit. It is not haha
@@ryechew you're not too bright, stronghold V is about the same as war elemental and supp V (no +) have 3 of each @ 150 hrs
@KG-mv5uo the drop rates are wild right. We know a lot more now. This video was 10 days ago.
But also rates could have changed since then. I know after slimes they changed the rates for rainbow slimes since release. We have a thousand quests in them.
I was talking more about the ones with v+ though. Like dark hero2s vids showed builds with SuppV+ crit hit rate early into then game wich was modded in for sure. Not there's anything wrong with that unless he was giving out farming advice which he wasn't so I don't care.
cygames really made like hundred unique sigils only for like 10 of them to be consistently used in endgame
Its very true. and sad. I have enjoyed using untouchable after this video. but its likedamage cap crit attack. then go glass cannon or use potion hoarder.... maybe 1 sigil per character for like combo booster os tyranny but its a great game. sigil is buttcakes though
The only fight I've felt comfortable using Glass Cannon is P.Baha. Fairly easy to just never get hit on that fight, but if you get hit once on something like Pyet-A you just get stun locked and die.
I did notice. a lot of speed runners using it outside P.bahamut. But how many runs did it take is always my first question. I saw a Rackam with 800% Atk on a character and thought it was funny.
Have you tried a team build with uplift, link together, break assassin and overdrive assassin for everyone on your team to see if it's better than just focusing on 1 character ?
Im actually going to run a test for one link and sba character, a stunner and either 2 DPS or Another stunner. right now Im making a parts breaking guide though.
Would love to see a vane version of this been struggling trying to build him and fit everything i think i need in but seems like i dont need what i thought i needed
once you ascend the terminus weapon anything over 60% attack boost is pretty much overkill unless its for a specific purpose like the crystals with shields in bahamut. Assuming you have overdrive assassin
I got REALLY lucky with Curios and have 3 supplementary damage Vs. The 100% uptime on multiple ticks is crazy good for folks like Percival. Kinda sad that even after all that I've yet to see a single War Elemental though
that is sad. I got a supp damage IV + and it was sealed sba resistance. so funny.
I should consider my self lucky having a couple improved dodge + but then I remember I don't have a single war elemental so nvm
I know. Its like The drop rates are different dependent on the day or something.
I never run dps without drain. Its nice to get clipped and immediately get that health back with the insane amount of damage you produce
Thats very true. Though Latter so many things just absolutely crush you.
Specking into more defense will result into better uptime and more successful runs for the most people. And it is even preferable for hardcore players that are progging new content.
We like what we like to play you know. as long as you come close to damage cap i dont think you are missing out on anything
@@ryechew I was actually agreeing with some of the messaging in your video. Maybe I've pharsed it poorly though
Like other people said, it's a shame we have to lock down multiple slots for Cap.
I think a more elegant way would be if it were an inherent thing on weapons, gaining DamCap+ per upgrade up to the max (or near max) at level 150
OR
if each weapon had it's own Cap+ rating, say Terminus gives 45 ranks wheras the stun or flat atk weapon gives 10, the rarer weapon being clearly stronger, but alleviating a bit of the burden on builds regardless.
they just did it so if a character ever goes broken they can edit the caps i think. But i don't know. i do agree that 4 slots is just egregious. And three if you have a best wright stone but that is dumb.
To offset Glass canon use Potent Greens
this is a good idea i didnt even think about it. But 30 percent of damage cap onto of a 400% cap Isn't worth it to me to build around.
the thing is, assassin sigils are conditional, the moster needs to be in a certain state so you can deal more damage, while other sigils might be better cuz they work all the time
your correct. Bahamut is fine for glass cannon I think.
yes they are but monsters are also conditional and phases play a big part in how to do stuff. I have since switched out one of my overdrives for a supp sigil.
I am desperately trying to get a War Elemental sigil, but the curios just aren't dropping it for me. I have two Supp. DMG Vs I'm using as a way to get around the fact that even with five DMG Cap V+s, I'm still hitting damage cap. Got pretty good OMs for caps, but my fully Awakened weapon on Rackam is hitting that wall lmao. Haven't gotten to the last mission to farm my Terminus yet.
Ah yes the ladder to get there. do you know about the collection masteries and getting a bonus regardless if you wield the weapon or not
@@ryechew Yeah, I've got all 5 of his pre-Terminus weapons maxed as well already, with the Ascension weapon fully Awakend and +99'd.
As of this response, I just defeated Radis Whitewyrm as I climb the ladder to Proto Bahamut. I've just been having absolutely no luck on the curios for War Elemental is all.
What about glass canon with flight or fight? Do you think you can still cap on dmg?
glass canon not worth it for casual quests imo maybe when you speedrun
i agree. glass cannon only adds 30% cap on 400% + its like 8% damage if your lucky.
I think if you do flight or fight you should just go improved dodge and raw dps. if you have an ascended terminus weapon it wont be that hard to cap out.
What are Honors and how are they calculated
mesure of usefullness in battle (skill used, damage done) calculated by addititon (they add numbers together).
They made this system way more complicated than needed lol
They know that ppl like seeing big numbers.
We shouldn’t have to jump through all these hoops just to see numbers go up 😂
I like complex systems like this. When its to simple to many things get exploited.
I have a flight of fight+ with cascade, i have it on a Vaseraga just so i have a vaseraga that you have to try to die to actually die.
Sure i lose damage cap on Combo B.... but at least i still damage cap on Combo C and the 2 skills that chain to a charged attack. hehe.
it is a crazy sigil. I pulled a flight or fight an hour after i uploaded the video. It almost takes the fun out of the game.
@@ryechew i've been called a hacker for being able to live through mechanics on vaseraga because of that... :'))))
All i have is Flight over fight, nimble onslaught 15, nimble defense 15, improved dodge 15, guts, potion hoarder 15, steel nerves 15. (Originally i had steady focus too :) )
Vaseraga has almost perma access to stoutheart by default.
Can still blast through everything, with the exception of you just cant die.
620 curios in... still waiting for my first Supplemental damage sigil 🙏
Mine didnt come till 600 and it was a IV. Now i have two 5's and a 4 so it feels like the higher the quest the better the curio but i have no reference point
Has any1 found a good place to farm crit v+?
the worst vacation ever im pretty sure has the best drop rate for that.
Music in the videos or Nah??
There is an argument for more DPS Just to hit the cap Inside bloodthirst but an extra 25% damage in overdrive isn't worth it to me. But a lot of people Min max only damage so Play how you want. I and most people are not speed runners or Mod hunters
Please no music. Great video 💯
@Painaaporo thanks. Took it out. Trying new stuff with YT
no music is better
@@TeraSlayer THATS TWO FOR NO
Yes music
Made it easier to get through imo
Ahh so much of this stuff is complicated and I’m awful at math. How do I know my damage is capped in the first place?
the numbers have a shiny line through the number around them when you hit. also if its the same number every time with an ability or skill you are probably capped
I thought i had my dmg cap but seems like i miss stargaze charge 100.000 thats sad 😢 anyway good vid. Io buddy
yeah that 2 million is a crazy number to see
I Deleted My Supp DMG IV too Brother i feel you🫡
It's so sad. Right.
if i have 3 Sup 5 is it better than overdrive lvl 30?
watch the video lol
We also have to consider what type of overdrive boss has and can you afford to dish out damage at that time instead of dodge dancing.@@ryechew
this is true. its all just going to come down to player preference. and ultimately one overdrive sigil and one supp sigil will net the most results anyway du to diminishing returns on maxing out skills.
I just got my first crit rate + dmg cap sigil holy sheettttttt... Any other sigil with dmg cap sub stat? 🙏🏻😮
the solid orange is Attack. so far it seems like you cant roll with a two solid orange sigil or a sigil with two of the same properties. So no Life on the line/stamina but yes Crit rate/stamina. I do think Damage cap counts as an attack sigil even though its under special but as I dont use mods i cant give you drop rates and say for sure.
You can actually roll Character-specific sigils+ with Damage cap as a subtrait. In fact, Character-specific sigils+ can roll any non-character-specific trait.
@@ryechew You can get multiple damage caps though on one Wrightstone freeing up space if lucky, even if you cant get them on a sigil. I just rolled a Crit 7, DMG Cap 6, DMG Cap 5 stone.
@Halaster That's cool. Unfortunately it maxes out 65. So I only need 5 dmg cap on a stone or nothing but fully maxed out damage caps on a stone. I'm exited for the future content
I knew this, watched the video and still don't understand T_T
Yeah games don't really normally do damage cap so its weird. but its great at balancing the game so i think that's why they did it.
Take a shot every time he says damage 😂
oof. drunk by 4 minutes lol
Its quite annoying even having damage cap be a thing. Id rather have complete build freedom/variety instead of being forced to use 4 sigil slots for literally ever single character.
I think they did it for balancing so that they could put each character in a DPS/support/tank category as far who gets what abilities and attack patterns without making anyone straight up op. I used to hate it till i realized all the characters are viable, unlike most games with characters as a battle choice. Like some of the warframes in warframe just suck. It is not the case in granblue.
That makes sense, but even if a character is more support/tank they still have to add damage cap its weird. Each terminus weapon is geared toward straight up damage. They should have made each weapon unique then and geared towards certain strengths. Like max hp for Vane/Captain with all their support skills, or high stun on someone else. As is half the cool sigils like weak point bonus, combo boost/finisher are useless. Everyone runs damage cap, and stamina with a bit of crit rate thrown in. No variety.@@ryechew
@@jakeryan2805I agree. The weapons should have been unique. Like giving Rosetta CC abilities.
Don't worry guys the game just started they have a lot of ideas and content coming soon
@@W_95 it's very exciting. Right
Where do you get the guarenteed V anyway?
Curios, i think, i always get level V sigils, even though they're trash.. just keep grind that curios..
@@n8than26 ah fair, want sure if there was a tropy
I'm doing some tests with proto bahamut and curios to check something I hope it bears results
What exactly did you mean when you said "your damage is uncapped while the monster is in overdrive"
you would have to nearly 2.5 your damage to hit your damage cap in overdrive. so its impractical to worry about your damage cap in overdrive unless you are really trying to squeeze seconds out of fights. I guess the phrasing could have been better
@@ryechew but that's not how it works
@@ajilitypoints7896it just means the monster has increased defence making your dmg lower
Overdrive comes with a big defense buff and you'd either have to stack a lot of attack sigils or overdrive assassin. Honestly 30lvls was over kill but I wanted to hit the caps for the video. Ille be removing that sentence out of the video because this comment was just the first
I have sense realized I'm an idiot and just wanted to talk about the bloodlust time in overdrive. I edited it out though so i appreciate the comments.
lol i got 3 supp dmg V and 2 supp dmg IV+ with 120 hour ingame, am i cheating? ofc not, i just want to say that the drop rate is not that bad, ppl are just unlucky.
Ille definitely be deleting it out. I agree with this statement after discovering it. Also I don't even mind if people mod them especially for solo speedruns.
so attack boost is not necessary?
Are you asking about the Attack Power sigil itself? It's flat ATK, and you would need quite a bit of it to outscale any of the %ATK sigils like Tyranny, Life on the Line, Stamina, etc. I would not recommend the Attack Power sigil itself over a percentage based one, unless it is a secondary stat on a sigil you need.
I agree. Especially if you get the terminus weapon ascended. Most people cap out on a not overdrive monster with around 65% attack up on a crit so anymore is wasted in my opinion unless your speed running for an extra couple seconds
Its not difficult to have 3 SupV if you've been grinding curios (unless you are mad unlucky).
SupV+ with good second trait is impossible rare, I doubt there's more than a handful of honest people in the world who have 3x of those.
I've since come to realize this. Ille be editing out that part tomorrow. Thank you!!!
Lol what if you have 100% supplementary you are cheating. Yeah ok bud. If you have 3 supplementary damage 5+ you are almost certainly cheating. Supp damage Vs are nowhere close as rare. Once you get into the silver centrum grind I’m sure you will have them too.
Yeah i have since realized my error and took that part out. I guess my game just hated me.
200 hours in the game all terminus weapons and I only have one supp5 and just got a war elemental the other day guess I'm just wicked unlucky then because they aren't common for me
Man, I feel this, haha. I have all terminus weapons, and 5 of them are fully awakened. Only supp sigil (V), and one war elemental that I got recently (after 4th fully awakened weapon). It be like that, lol
@@mustang_ken9562 I didn’t say anything about war elemental lol but yeah bad curio seed. That’s rough.
@Zexxthecrow I know you didn't was just using it as a example of my rng because I keep seeing people saying you should have these as they are pretty common before you hit end game and they are very much not at least for me lol
Man, this is the best explanation of the game I've ever seen 🫡💜
Everything is clear and understandable, thank you for the great video ❤
So let's make it clear, we have :
DMG Cap
ATK
Supp DMG
DMG Dealt
All of these depend on the character you choose 😊
its correct. I also put a formula for the math in the description for anyone that wanted it.