Artex doesn't shrink, plaster does slightly!the artexers back in the day when I started out 30 years ago would get the labourers doing the skrimming!if the artex isn't skrimmed properly your hard work will crack on those joints, I learned the hard way!to guarantee your hard work, over board and re cove and if the customer doesn't want to pay then tell them to get someone else rather than jeopardise your good name 😊😊😊
If your unsure about SBR on these Jobs try beeline sealer (cheap) it's PVA emulsion so don't have any stickyness. When dry in about 30mins with fans apply plastering PVA and skim. Gardz is a similar product that just costs a bit more than beeline. They are competing brands. Never fails Re SBR in PVA. They are said not to mix together as different products but people do ok. Whatever works I guess, but I like the beeline for what it does at the cost Great work though 😊
Been a member of the Facebook a wile know and there are a few ridiculing people posting asking for help and being told you shouldn't be doing it if you don't no but I suppose your always gonna get those plasterers with that mentality but there are some great guys as you say
Any comments like that the person is permanently banned mate & they cannot get back in the group. The group is now at 5.5k members 1 or 2 will always slip through the net but they always show themselves through comments then we deal with them. The group is a positive space, like anything it takes constant work to maintain 👍
Good info pol... got a halls stairs landing next week... all over that blown artex ( spayed on stuff). Done a fair few before Tbf. On your vid just, do you class that first coat , the one with bonding in, as your first coat ? In other words , do you lay in as normal or are you gonna start again with two coats of normal multi? On that job where I’m there a few days I use some grit. Give it a go pal, Brilliant stuff, Alpha Chem , £22 inc delivery. That’s for 10 L. Been using it for about 3 years now. Nice one👊🏻
Hello mate thanks for watching. Yes we class this as first coat no need to bond out the artex just add bonding to your first coat then a nice wet mix of multi to top it off 👍
This is exactly what, I was thinking 🤔 same as a trades people, almost everyone is put in danger ⚠️, if they had leaks from upstairs below from a central heating pipe, plumber comes in and starts to cut trough a ceiling , and I give you 100% owner , only will care to fix a leak in the house, I really dislike that , I believe they should bring this under health and safety regulations, no skimming allowed.
Good video fella, just a quick question, well two what tape is that on the coving and also when you so the bonding to multi mix what ratio you going off roughly? And also when you lay the first coat does it still hang Around cause if it goes too quick when you put you're second coat on surely you're have background lines where it's dried comming through?
It's hippo tape from selcos. We put around 20 / 30 % bonding coat in the mix & as for background lines no never, thats where suction control comes into play just treat same as any 2 coat job 👍
@@troweltalk2719 in terms of the consistency of the mix when adding bonding to the multi finish, do we mix it the same kind of consistency as we would when we’re mixing up multi finish on its own?
Hi Drew, SBR is a highly concentrated bonding agent / primer used for plastering & rendering. As far as taking the artex off, most artex is a pig to remove.. although it can be possible to get it off, this would take much time & effort with the risk of discovering a shot/ cracked ceiling beneath that would need skimming either way if you are wanting a flawless smooth finish
Can be aspestos in the artex potentially so a good rule of thumb is to not disturb the background or get it tested and removed if contains aspestos. Easier to cover it up than to remove.
Got an artex ceiling myself and was thinking to do the same.. what happen when the next owner comes in and decides to take the ceiling of not knowing whats hiding??
The ceiling in the video is negative result for asbestos always ask to see test result before plastering artex. If positive, then do not scrape! If the artex contains asbestos then it should be removed by asbestos removal company. If you skim over an asbestos positive ceiling then you should make the buyer aware of the situation.
This is exactly what, I was thinking 🤔 same as a trades people, almost everyone is put in danger ⚠️, if they had leaks from upstairs below from a central heating pipe, plumber comes in and starts to cut trough a ceiling , and I give you 100% owner , only will care to fix a leak in the house, I really dislike that , I believe they should bring this under health and safety regulations, no skimming allowed.
Anything artexed before 1983 had asbestos in it ( the mix was 4% of gray asbestos (blue was more dangerous)). My dad was an artexer for over 30 years of his working life
Alright mate, I do as you do with going over artex adding some bonding to the first coat, only issue I’m having is it’s taking forever to go off enough to go over with my second coat. I’m not a plasterer by trade, more a decorator who can plaster to a decent standard so was wondering if i can do anything to speed up the process. Had windows open today, flattened it off multiple times with my plastic speed skim but it was still nearly 2 hours before i could second coat it!
Hello mate we use a product called halftime by easymix we did a vid on this too it will speed up the set time on the plaster 👍 ruclips.net/video/D0LmnkGIdv8/видео.html
Hi. How much sbr did you add to the pva please and how much bonding did you add to the first mix and was it one coat of multifinish after that? Thanks, Gav
Hi mate, Around 50 / 50 neat SBR neat pva Add roughly 30 % bonding coat some lads will add 50% And yes just one coat of multi finish for second coat pal 👍 Thanks for watching the channel Stu Trowel Talk
Hi mate what make is the blue tape you use on the coving? Struggling to find one that doesn't take the paint off when you peel it away after towelling up
Hi Jonathan, I have used grits in the past but I find PVA is reliable after almost 20 years it has never let me down. Occasionally we add sharp sand to the PVA which is very effective
Hi JD we do overboard when we need to but we find in most cases if the artex is in sound condition & tested negative we get a great finish skimming over it
Hi Ed, Most artex is applied direct to board. Which is why us plasterers usually skim over it. Also be careful removing artex get it tested for asbestos beforehand. Thanks for watching
Thanks for advice, obviously needs a specialist to do that , what I dislike people could cheat , before they selling house and add value to it or if any trades person comes into property installing anything and they need to make a holes 🕳 trough a ceiling , they’re now put in danger ⚠️….
Artex doesn't shrink, plaster does slightly!the artexers back in the day when I started out 30 years ago would get the labourers doing the skrimming!if the artex isn't skrimmed properly your hard work will crack on those joints, I learned the hard way!to guarantee your hard work, over board and re cove and if the customer doesn't want to pay then tell them to get someone else rather than jeopardise your good name 😊😊😊
Nice to see good plasterers u learn something new every day spr not heard that one
Some tip is Asda food dye in the pva
No misses
Good video but don’t know why you mix pva with sbr just put 1 coat of sbr neat and jobs a good en dry in 15 mins max
If your unsure about SBR on these Jobs try beeline sealer (cheap) it's PVA emulsion so don't have any stickyness. When dry in about 30mins with fans apply plastering PVA and skim.
Gardz is a similar product that just costs a bit more than beeline. They are competing brands. Never fails
Re SBR in PVA. They are said not to mix together as different products but people do ok.
Whatever works I guess, but I like the beeline for what it does at the cost
Great work though 😊
Good videos mate - keep up good work👍
nice work guy's , i also add bonding to the first lay on when covering artex, good luck with your chanel
Thanks Graham 👍
Been a member of the Facebook a wile know and there are a few ridiculing people posting asking for help and being told you shouldn't be doing it if you don't no but I suppose your always gonna get those plasterers with that mentality but there are some great guys as you say
Any comments like that the person is permanently banned mate & they cannot get back in the group. The group is now at 5.5k members 1 or 2 will always slip through the net but they always show themselves through comments then we deal with them. The group is a positive space, like anything it takes constant work to maintain 👍
Good info pol... got a halls stairs landing next week... all over that blown artex ( spayed on stuff). Done a fair few before Tbf. On your vid just, do you class that first coat , the one with bonding in, as your first coat ? In other words , do you lay in as normal or are you gonna start again with two coats of normal multi? On that job where I’m there a few days I use some grit. Give it a go pal, Brilliant stuff, Alpha Chem , £22 inc delivery. That’s for 10 L. Been using it for about 3 years now. Nice one👊🏻
Hello mate thanks for watching. Yes we class this as first coat no need to bond out the artex just add bonding to your first coat then a nice wet mix of multi to top it off 👍
Stu Roberts nice one Stu. Yep different suction is a fooker.
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This is exactly what, I was thinking 🤔 same as a trades people, almost everyone is put in danger ⚠️, if they had leaks from upstairs below from a central heating pipe, plumber comes in and starts to cut trough a ceiling , and I give you 100% owner , only will care to fix a leak in the house, I really dislike that , I believe they should bring this under health and safety regulations, no skimming allowed.
Best of luck with your Channel mate🤝
Thank you brother 👊
another nice video, so how much SBR do you add to the PVA
Good video fella, just a quick question, well two what tape is that on the coving and also when you so the bonding to multi mix what ratio you going off roughly? And also when you lay the first coat does it still hang Around cause if it goes too quick when you put you're second coat on surely you're have background lines where it's dried comming through?
It's hippo tape from selcos. We put around 20 / 30 % bonding coat in the mix & as for background lines no never, thats where suction control comes into play just treat same as any 2 coat job 👍
Great vid Stu. What was the ratio of bonding to multi for the 1st coat ?
Around 80 / 20 pal being 20% bonding coat. If the pattern is particularly deep we might add a bit more 👍. Chuck a few big handfuls in the mix 👍
@@troweltalk2719 in terms of the consistency of the mix when adding bonding to the multi finish, do we mix it the same kind of consistency as we would when we’re mixing up multi finish on its own?
Good morning sir ! I'm new to this , what is SBR , ,,, & why not take the artex off completely ?
Hi Drew,
SBR is a highly concentrated bonding agent / primer used for plastering & rendering.
As far as taking the artex off, most artex is a pig to remove.. although it can be possible to get it off, this would take much time & effort with the risk of discovering a shot/ cracked ceiling beneath that would need skimming either way if you are wanting a flawless smooth finish
Can be aspestos in the artex potentially so a good rule of thumb is to not disturb the background or get it tested and removed if contains aspestos.
Easier to cover it up than to remove.
that was probably painted with contract emulsion that stuff is powdery and dry as chalk
What you think of using Bostik cementon instead of pva ?
Got an artex ceiling myself and was thinking to do the same.. what happen when the next owner comes in and decides to take the ceiling of not knowing whats hiding??
The ceiling in the video is negative result for asbestos always ask to see test result before plastering artex. If positive, then do not scrape!
If the artex contains asbestos then it should be removed by asbestos removal company.
If you skim over an asbestos positive ceiling then you should make the buyer aware of the situation.
This is exactly what, I was thinking 🤔 same as a trades people, almost everyone is put in danger ⚠️, if they had leaks from upstairs below from a central heating pipe, plumber comes in and starts to cut trough a ceiling , and I give you 100% owner , only will care to fix a leak in the house, I really dislike that , I believe they should bring this under health and safety regulations, no skimming allowed.
Anything artexed before 1983 had asbestos in it ( the mix was 4% of gray asbestos (blue was more dangerous)). My dad was an artexer for over 30 years of his working life
Good info! I've never heard about that suction problem before, is Blue Grit better than PVA?
Grit is very popular but is expensive & also takes a long time to cure before you can plaster onto it mate
@@troweltalk2719 OK! Yeah it is a bit pricey. Cheers for the info!
@@ORGPPL1 Your welcome thanks for watching & commenting 👍
Alright mate, I do as you do with going over artex adding some bonding to the first coat, only issue I’m having is it’s taking forever to go off enough to go over with my second coat. I’m not a plasterer by trade, more a decorator who can plaster to a decent standard so was wondering if i can do anything to speed up the process. Had windows open today, flattened it off multiple times with my plastic speed skim but it was still nearly 2 hours before i could second coat it!
Hello mate we use a product called halftime by easymix we did a vid on this too it will speed up the set time on the plaster 👍
ruclips.net/video/D0LmnkGIdv8/видео.html
@@troweltalk2719 cheers mate, I’ve never used any of those, I’m not slow but I’m not particularly quick so dunno if I’d come unstuck using that!
Nice works lads, what is the blue tape called you used on the Coving ?
Hi Kirk it's hippo tape from Selcos
@@troweltalk2719 cheers buddy, I’m yet to find a tape that doesn’t pull the paint off the coving👍🏻
Stu once u put the magic mix on do u just put one coat of skim on or do u pit two on
One coat of skim after magic mix mate 👍 thanks for watching the channel appreciate it
Hi. How much sbr did you add to the pva please and how much bonding did you add to the first mix and was it one coat of multifinish after that? Thanks, Gav
Hi mate,
Around 50 / 50 neat SBR neat pva
Add roughly 30 % bonding coat some lads will add 50%
And yes just one coat of multi finish for second coat pal 👍
Thanks for watching the channel
Stu
Trowel Talk
@@troweltalk2719 thanks for the reply 👍 Could you use sbr and pva mix to slow suction down on all surfaces?
How much Bonding do you put in your first mix? thanks!
Roughly around 20 - 30% 👍
Use blue grit mixed with pva you will never look back
Hi mate what make is the blue tape you use on the coving? Struggling to find one that doesn't take the paint off when you peel it away after towelling up
Hi Pauly the tape is called hippo masking tape mate we buy it from selcos here is a link pal 👍
www.selcobw.com/hippo-14-day-masking-tape-38mm-x-50m
Great video good sir
Where can I get the red platforms
Thank you 🙏🏻
Hi Paulmilton thanks for watching you can get the worktall boots here mate
www.worktall.co.uk
@@troweltalk2719 top man thank you
@@MyPaul1234567
I have done a product review on the boots mate have a watch 👍
ruclips.net/video/tto2YvgWMxs/видео.html
Did u not consider blue grit?
Hi Jonathan,
I have used grits in the past but I find PVA is reliable after almost 20 years it has never let me down. Occasionally we add sharp sand to the PVA which is very effective
What's the brown spots mate
We add handful of plaster in PVA mate to see it better on white ceilings
@@troweltalk2719 try food colouring
I wouldn't touch that it's covered in mould
HI ray it's not mould its my pva & sand mixture 3:07
@@troweltalk2719 sound
You don’t plaster over artex you bored it
Hi JD we do overboard when we need to but we find in most cases if the artex is in sound condition & tested negative we get a great finish skimming over it
Don't show your results try to show how you doing it
We show the whole process in the video what is it you need help with?
@@troweltalk2719can't see hand movement because you rev the video 👀. Thanks
What a waste of money, still artex under those coatings , best way is to remove it all and painted over the smooth ceiling…
Hi Ed,
Most artex is applied direct to board. Which is why us plasterers usually skim over it. Also be careful removing artex get it tested for asbestos beforehand. Thanks for watching
Thanks for advice, obviously needs a specialist to do that , what I dislike people could cheat , before they selling house and add value to it or if any trades person comes into property installing anything and they need to make a holes 🕳 trough a ceiling , they’re now put in danger ⚠️….
But with a light scrape you get that with pink. Bonding and skimming yo would lose coving