That's epic. The closest I ever got to that where everybody was confused at my call was a dropped third strike with two outs and the bases loaded. The catcher scooped up the ball and hustled to get clear of the runner to throw it to first base. In his hustle, he stepped on home plate. I signaled the out and walked back to my water bottle before the catcher even let go of the ball--which sailed well past the 1st baseman down the right-field line. Everyone was going bananas telling the runners to go. If memory serves, R3 and R2 crossed the plate well before the ball came back in and there was a play on R1 at the plate. Only when nobody made a call (I was alone that day) did anybody even notice that I had completely disengaged from the action. I told the coach of the offensive team what happened and he went nuts saying that the catcher did not mean to step on the plate so that shouldn't count. That was a fun day.
This is where game management can be handled better. You know that the out at home is difficult to see and no one else knew there was an out. You can get big here and make sure that people see you have an out right there at the plate - also the inning is over. Disappearing is not the right thing to do. This is preventable.
Just goes to show how ignorant of the rules the coaches are......aside from that, just curious, were you emphatic about your out call to avoid the confusion??
@@prsguitars42 I probably should have been more so to get the play to stop as pointed out by Mark Rowan. All I would have had to do was stand on the plate waving my arms to kill the play--but I didn't. I did point back and forth between the plate and R3 with my mask hand, signaled the out with my right hand while yelling twice, "This runner is out!" The problem was that the entire crowd was so focused on either the batter-runner getting to first or the catcher's throw to first that nobody heard me. When the ball got past the first baseman, the volume went up as people were literally jumping up and down in excitement. That's when I decided to just let the play die naturally and then explain. I would handle it differently if it happened again...but that's how it went down.
Wow, that is a crazy situation and great teaching moment for both umpires, coaches, and players. Good to point out the needed appeal for R2 missing home plate as that is a unique wrinkle.
1st runner scored, 3rd runner is out for passing 2nd runner, batter is out for passing 2nd runner, and 2nd runner either touched home and was safe or missed home and was called out on appeal.
I've worked a lot of games where weird sh** happens, usually rec ball. I'll be honest, I might consider for a fraction of a second trying to get away without making that call. You know damn well no one would understand calling three outs on an over the fence homerun and only counting one run. But then my ethics would take over my brain and I would make the damn call and wait for the Fallout, hoping like hell that somebody got it on video. Everyone in your circles would be talking about the call you made, right or wrong. There would be inquiries and Senate hearings. Someone would probably want your head on a platter. Man anything and everything can happen and those younger age groups. Who am I kidding, this kind of stuff happens and ALL age-groups groups.
Great job again. This is an appeal play. Umpire looked like he was showing that something was wrong before anyone else noticed 🤣. Tough situation to be in, especially in a youth game.
Passing a (unobstructed) runner is an immediate out. No appeal necessary. The appeal would come in R2 for not touching the plate if the play started with 0 outs.
@@jamesrivera6068 your original comment was ambiguous in not referring to which part of the play is an appeal play. Touchdown thought you were saying the runner passing a preceeding runner was an appeal play when it's not, the runner missing home is.
What are they appealing here? Aren't the trailing runners out immediately after passing the lead runner? No appeal needed there. If they are appealing R2 didn't touch the base, then they would have to put the ball back in play which was never done (unless they are playing by highschool rules I guess). So, the umpire signals out on the appeal, which would mean that would be 3 outs if he's saying R2 didn't touch the base, right?
So we had this happen in a game....2 outs, runners on 2nd and 3rd. Ball hit to left field. Kid on 3rd stopped thinkong he might need to tag up and kid from 2nd passes him, they correct themselves and both come home in correct order. The out is called for passed runner to end the inning, no run scores. The question is....does it count as a legal at bat for the batter or is he the lead off hitter next inning?
The batter completed their at bat, whoever is listed after them is the proper batter at the start of their next offensive half inning. The at bat is complete when the batter legally becomes a batter runner, just as if the other runner was tagged out instead of ruled out.
I watch every time. They do miss the plate .......ALOT. It's comical in the reaction I get from the catcher when the next batter comes up and I'm about to call the first pitch whispering into the catcher's ear, "Ya know, that last runner missed home..." LOL!!!!!
@closecallsports so to be clear, assuming that there were 0 outs to begin this play, R3 has scored, R1 is out when he passes R2, BR is out when he passes R2, and then assuming that R2 touches home plate (which it looks like he did) he is safe at home and scores. 2 outs. If there were 1 or 2 outs to begin the play, then only R3 scores. Is that correct?
What is the case if R2 missed third and R1 touched 3rd before R2 returns back touch up at 3rd? Same situation as in video but 2 outs already on the board?
A runner loses the right to return and touch a missed base once a following runner legally acquires that base. This wouldn't be a passing runner issue though, just that regardless of if that runner ran back to touch the missed base it wouldn't legally count as if they'd touched it, they would still be out on proper appeal.
Riiigggghht......and with a comment like that, you're OBVIOUSLY NOT an umpire. That said, what do you suppose the opposing coach is going to think of your call??
One thing no one has picked up on so far. The umpire blows the appeal right from the beginning. Before the appeal can take place on this play the ball has to be put back in play. Before that can happen, the umpire must be behind the catcher with the catcher ready to receive and the batter in the box. Then he puts the ball back in play and an appeal can be made. Now, even with that mechanic blown, the pitcher blows the appeal and the umpire incorrectly makes a ruling. The pitcher must disengage the rubber before throwing the ball to the catcher to make the appeal. In this play the pitcher comes set and throws the ball. This, he has delivered a pitch and that pitch should be called ball or strike. This is not a proper appeal in any way shape or form.
Dead ball appeals are allowed under the NFHS code and some youth levels, and live ball appeals are allowed under all codes, so it really depends what code this game is governed by.
@@CloseCallSports this is true. No argument. This age group the average youth league does not allow for a dead ball appeal but you are correct that some do. Nice call on that.
@@CloseCallSports True, but under NFHS rules the defense would not need to throw the ball and step on the plate. The rule allows them to simply say "R2 missed the plate".
He may have, but I'm thinking that unless there are no outs, the other 2 runners passing him would end the inning since that happened before the inning ended. With no outs, my guess would be that his run would count, then it'd be 2 runs scoring. That's my guess,
That's epic. The closest I ever got to that where everybody was confused at my call was a dropped third strike with two outs and the bases loaded. The catcher scooped up the ball and hustled to get clear of the runner to throw it to first base. In his hustle, he stepped on home plate. I signaled the out and walked back to my water bottle before the catcher even let go of the ball--which sailed well past the 1st baseman down the right-field line. Everyone was going bananas telling the runners to go. If memory serves, R3 and R2 crossed the plate well before the ball came back in and there was a play on R1 at the plate. Only when nobody made a call (I was alone that day) did anybody even notice that I had completely disengaged from the action. I told the coach of the offensive team what happened and he went nuts saying that the catcher did not mean to step on the plate so that shouldn't count. That was a fun day.
Ouch that's not much fun🤦🏻 SMH it's the correct call, but an even funnier story to share lololol
This is where game management can be handled better. You know that the out at home is difficult to see and no one else knew there was an out. You can get big here and make sure that people see you have an out right there at the plate - also the inning is over. Disappearing is not the right thing to do. This is preventable.
@@MetallicaXDrums That's a good point
Just goes to show how ignorant of the rules the coaches are......aside from that, just curious, were you emphatic about your out call to avoid the confusion??
@@prsguitars42 I probably should have been more so to get the play to stop as pointed out by Mark Rowan. All I would have had to do was stand on the plate waving my arms to kill the play--but I didn't.
I did point back and forth between the plate and R3 with my mask hand, signaled the out with my right hand while yelling twice, "This runner is out!" The problem was that the entire crowd was so focused on either the batter-runner getting to first or the catcher's throw to first that nobody heard me. When the ball got past the first baseman, the volume went up as people were literally jumping up and down in excitement. That's when I decided to just let the play die naturally and then explain. I would handle it differently if it happened again...but that's how it went down.
Imagine hitting a grand slam and it being scored as a triple play against you.
The play is more important than the celebration kiddos. Do your job. Score the run, high five back in the dugout.
Wow, that is a crazy situation and great teaching moment for both umpires, coaches, and players.
Good to point out the needed appeal for R2 missing home plate as that is a unique wrinkle.
1st runner scored, 3rd runner is out for passing 2nd runner, batter is out for passing 2nd runner, and 2nd runner either touched home and was safe or missed home and was called out on appeal.
Does the pitcher disengage with the mound on the appeal? Sure doesn't look like it.
I am really glad that I wasn't at that baseball field
Good lord that’s a flipping mess!!!! So glad I didn’t have that game.
Thank goodness for the camera that justifies U1's call from the fallout later on lol‼️
I've worked a lot of games where weird sh** happens, usually rec ball. I'll be honest, I might consider for a fraction of a second trying to get away without making that call. You know damn well no one would understand calling three outs on an over the fence homerun and only counting one run. But then my ethics would take over my brain and I would make the damn call and wait for the Fallout, hoping like hell that somebody got it on video. Everyone in your circles would be talking about the call you made, right or wrong. There would be inquiries and Senate hearings. Someone would probably want your head on a platter.
Man anything and everything can happen and those younger age groups. Who am I kidding, this kind of stuff happens and ALL age-groups groups.
I don’t know the rules in this league but I thought passing is something that should be called immediately by the umps, no?
How do you not touch home plate? I understand sometimes you miss it, but those two kids turned around without even trying. That's Baseball 101.
Great job again. This is an appeal play. Umpire looked like he was showing that something was wrong before anyone else noticed 🤣. Tough situation to be in, especially in a youth game.
Passing a (unobstructed) runner is an immediate out. No appeal necessary. The appeal would come in R2 for not touching the plate if the play started with 0 outs.
@@touchdown62 I said that, without saying that. 🤷🏽♂️. What did I say different
It's hard to tell but I think R2 might have touched home during the celebration. If so then there's nothing to appeal.
@@jamesrivera6068 your original comment was ambiguous in not referring to which part of the play is an appeal play. Touchdown thought you were saying the runner passing a preceeding runner was an appeal play when it's not, the runner missing home is.
Omg, bet some parents lost their minds!!!🤣
THAT ISN'T FAIR!
You cannot tell for certain whether R2 touched the plate or not.
he was never close of touching the plate till the batter runner came around and since r1 already pass r2 without touching plate
@@critter2 he might have touched it during the celebration.
@@utterchaos63 doesn't matter he would be out for all the interference caused by the celebrating players.
What are they appealing here? Aren't the trailing runners out immediately after passing the lead runner? No appeal needed there. If they are appealing R2 didn't touch the base, then they would have to put the ball back in play which was never done (unless they are playing by highschool rules I guess). So, the umpire signals out on the appeal, which would mean that would be 3 outs if he's saying R2 didn't touch the base, right?
Don't the adults bother to teach the players anything?
So we had this happen in a game....2 outs, runners on 2nd and 3rd. Ball hit to left field. Kid on 3rd stopped thinkong he might need to tag up and kid from 2nd passes him, they correct themselves and both come home in correct order. The out is called for passed runner to end the inning, no run scores. The question is....does it count as a legal at bat for the batter or is he the lead off hitter next inning?
The batter completed their at bat, whoever is listed after them is the proper batter at the start of their next offensive half inning. The at bat is complete when the batter legally becomes a batter runner, just as if the other runner was tagged out instead of ruled out.
you be surprise how many kids miss plate as well i mean i don't say anything cause i really can't
I watch every time. They do miss the plate .......ALOT. It's comical in the reaction I get from the catcher when the next batter comes up and I'm about to call the first pitch whispering into the catcher's ear, "Ya know, that last runner missed home..." LOL!!!!!
@@prsguitars42 You should never tell the defense about a missed base. That's just wrong.
@@alanhess9306 I know....but this one team gave me grief while I was doing the plate this one game. Won't happen again.
@closecallsports so to be clear, assuming that there were 0 outs to begin this play, R3 has scored, R1 is out when he passes R2, BR is out when he passes R2, and then assuming that R2 touches home plate (which it looks like he did) he is safe at home and scores. 2 outs. If there were 1 or 2 outs to begin the play, then only R3 scores. Is that correct?
confusing, but you're getting the hang on this!
What is the case if R2 missed third and R1 touched 3rd before R2 returns back touch up at 3rd? Same situation as in video but 2 outs already on the board?
A runner loses the right to return and touch a missed base once a following runner legally acquires that base. This wouldn't be a passing runner issue though, just that regardless of if that runner ran back to touch the missed base it wouldn't legally count as if they'd touched it, they would still be out on proper appeal.
Coach these kids are knuckleheads enjoying the game. That's my call.
Riiigggghht......and with a comment like that, you're OBVIOUSLY NOT an umpire. That said, what do you suppose the opposing coach is going to think of your call??
Still laughing at 'opposing coach'. HAHAHA
@@gradyrm237 LOL!!!.....That's all you got??!!!
i mean, they're kids who cares
One thing no one has picked up on so far. The umpire blows the appeal right from the beginning. Before the appeal can take place on this play the ball has to be put back in play. Before that can happen, the umpire must be behind the catcher with the catcher ready to receive and the batter in the box. Then he puts the ball back in play and an appeal can be made. Now, even with that mechanic blown, the pitcher blows the appeal and the umpire incorrectly makes a ruling. The pitcher must disengage the rubber before throwing the ball to the catcher to make the appeal. In this play the pitcher comes set and throws the ball. This, he has delivered a pitch and that pitch should be called ball or strike. This is not a proper appeal in any way shape or form.
Dead ball appeals are allowed under the NFHS code and some youth levels, and live ball appeals are allowed under all codes, so it really depends what code this game is governed by.
@@CloseCallSports this is true. No argument. This age group the average youth league does not allow for a dead ball appeal but you are correct that some do. Nice call on that.
@@CloseCallSports True, but under NFHS rules the defense would not need to throw the ball and step on the plate. The rule allows them to simply say "R2 missed the plate".
To me, it looked like R2 touched the plate as part of the celebration.
He may have, but I'm thinking that unless there are no outs, the other 2 runners passing him would end the inning since that happened before the inning ended. With no outs, my guess would be that his run would count, then it'd be 2 runs scoring. That's my guess,
@@davej3781 Yea...he had a "Oh shit" moment.............we all have!!!