Starmer sacking rebels could backfire | Claire Cohen
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- “There is a fine line between ruthless and reckless.”
Keir Starmer’s “purging” of "hard left candidates" could backfire as it makes the path to scrapping the two child benefit cap “even harder”, says The Times and Sunday Times’s Claire Cohen.
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It was a three line whip on the matter of getting through their first kings speech. If you break a three line whip then you are suspended. No matter who you are
Not reckless, but a strong leader!
Starmer actually getting stuff done and removing obstacles is only looking a "hard" act after all that non-action of the last Tory led decades
In my opinion the 2 child cap will be abolished when the money is available
It was clear he was not going to change the policy. Said it during election multiple times.
I once met Sir Kid Starver at a charity do. He was surprisingly down to earth and extremely funny
Didn't the Tories implement that policy?
@@patrikfloding7985 yes, Labour decided to keep it 👍
Nah. In the immortal words of Lee Anderthal, it’s calling “backbone “. 😂😂
*THE RIGHT WING* children are expensive - if you cant afford them dont have them
*THE RIGHT WING* Why are young people NOT having kids??? We need productivity...!!!
So, we’ve gone from “If you can’t afford kids, if you can’t get a mortgage, if you can’t pay for childcare, if you haven’t got a job, if you haven’t got anywhere to live …….. don’t have babies” to ……. “HAVE BABIES OR OUR COUNTRY WILL DISAPPEAR “. 😂😂
It’s really why you should ignore people like this. You can’t win. They want to moan and will find any way to do so.
Another version I’ve come across is:
“I don’t trust doctors. They’ll diagnose you with anything. Go by your gut.” *proceeds to act as if they know more*
“If you’re that concerned then go and see the doctor. They’ll know what to do”
We didn't see these headlines against the scummy Tories did we?
Yes all the time when borris did it re Brexit???
That's because it's taken for granted that the Tories are nasty. Stockholm syndrome. And now people expect instant miracles from Labour. People need to give them some time.
Starmer is ruthless when it comes to attacking socialists. Less so when it comes to ending child poverty.
Considering how badly socialists mangle both the economy and the politics of a country - he should. conservatives couldn't keep their wackjobs in check , and Starmer isn't an idiot, and he is intending to not repeat their mistakes. It's not the policy he is fighting over. It's an excuse to dump some dead weight and consolidate control of the party.
Not British, but I'm pretty impressed with Starmer far. I think his approach of 'ruthless moderation and pragmatism' is actually a breath of fresh air. The west faces some really hard problems. Childhood poverty is also a problem - but he needs to pick his battles and fight on the things that are actually possible and that are popular. People are sick of the goverment and just want to see it function. Once you have done the very hard work of getting people to trust it again - then you can get a bit more aggressive policy wise.
60% of the country doesn't want the benefit beyond more than 2 people - right or wrong - it's what they want. Political capital is a limited resource and it must be spent wisely. He may have earned some political capital from the center of the country by going this way so publically. Next time he asks for something, people are gonna be a lot more inclined to be open minded.
The fact you use terms like ‘political capital’ and ‘consolidating control’ on an issue like child poverty tells me all I need to know. Heartless.
@@chrisrobinson1209 You may have forgotten that the west is in a war against actual fascism.
Yes I talk in those terms. It's actually important that the bad guys lose, lest we find ourselves - through either incompetence or malice - a world war.
Also this is how every political leader in history, including the great ones who actually advanced great causes - thinks. It's strategy, and trade-offs.
Choosing to not sacrifice yourself over an issue to keep your powder dry so you can do something else is actually important. If labor starts instituting policies that ignore the will of the public, they will be out of power. That is how it works.
Starmer also understands his mandate. It's a mandate against chaos. It's not a progressive reinventing of England. But if Starmer does well - then more progressive policy does become possible.
@@chrisrobinson1209 He can't fix all problems in a few weeks. But he can get the party in shape.
These seven are totally unfit for government. They prefer eternal opposition and ideological purity.
Starmer's probably happy to see the back of them.
No it's not £25-00 Child Benefit. It's being able to claim Universal Credit for more than two children...Giles doesn't seem to know what he's talking about...
And Diane Abbott ends up as Mother of the House. I'm no left-winger, but, after the prolonged shabby treatment, which she met with dignity, that really cheers me up!
This is the dumbest part of the row: Labour has suspended seven rebel MPs for voting for an amendment that aligns with Labour policy.
There's a lot of nuance to this situation, but the result is that Labour is now having a row about a policy on which they all seem to agree. It looks like government politics hasn't stopped being utterly crazy after all.
It's a cap on universal credit, not child benefit; this will go, but only when it is affordable, e.g., in the budget and costed, you can't have it both ways, can't demand to have a responsible party and then demand irresponsible actions.
It was just a case of idiot MP's forcing a pointless situation. Even the Tories did not have this level of in-house stupidity.
- A good and balanced run down here, ruclips.net/video/Xx2Od_B8T24/видео.html
It's a party. Not a chicken farm.
We had a debate on this and we should move on. When I was growing up some people would have kids to get a pay rise from the state and we're getting more money than people with 2 kids having to work
Could backfire?.Lets wait and see shall we? So tired of all this speculation, and commentary based on the personal opinion of people nobody has ever heard of.
He's a huge majority doesn't need them
What is the confusion about? 10 minutes of wondering...
Perhaps the perants could direct funding to their children. Instead of investing in cable TV, computers, and gaming, Mobile phones for every member, Smoking products. Not in all cases but in quite a few.
The amount of power Starmer has is quite worrying. MPS are supposed to represent the people who voted them in not some power crazy party dictator. We vote for a person in the general election not a party.
*HE HAS LOST MY VOTE* I did my duty and voted lesser of two Ev's to get the Tories out - I was hoping the authoritarian stuff was JUST to get elected but NOPE/
He is an authoritarian who can NOT abide dissent.
A few weeks in... Grow up.
Good for Starmer...
I'm generally supportive of Starmer, but this is being ruthless for the sake of it. A handful of rebels is absolutely no threat to a government with a massive majority, and severely punishing MPs for voting to ease poverty isn't a great look and doesn't seem morally justifiable.
She kind-of repeats herself
Doesn’t this sound like a Dictator.
What is the point in this so-called democratic system if it's only to choose a dictator.
It could but it won't. The rebels signed up to the pledges and knew what would happen if they rebelled. It seems the right have more pressing issues including the reluctance of Farage to publish his financial affairs which is compulsory for all MPs. He could be suspended. Also, the tories are still tearing themselves to bits with 5 MPs contemplating defecting to Reform.
He thinks he is the ruler of the uk
Labour… Yes let’s concentrate on naughty mp’s instead of the safety of our people…! Bold move
Buying cigs with child $$, yeah seen that happen.
So we should starve hudreds of thousands of kids then...????
You know you are a bad person right...?
Respect Cohen top journo but she's wrong
He will not last 49 days
Just 30 days to go then...I look forward to your comment on 23rd August....It'll give us all a laugh...
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I wonder if anybody spoke up about Saville when Starmer was in THEE position to do something about it.
Wonder if anyone got silenced and suspended then.
He threw Rayner straight under hw bus and a week later he's doing this...sats alot about him as a person of loyalty and understanding.
Rayner is under a bus?
Keep on wondering.
Thatcher's pet child molester, Savile?
Who escaped punishment, because she ordered he not be investigated, victims intimidated, and existing evidence destroyed?
So the CPS had nothing to build a case with?
He just showing how is boss