When I see drumming like this, I think it explains why drummers die more than any other musician and turn into green goo. I don't know how you can follow the base, the keyboard, and keep your own rhythm. You truly prove that good drumming is about creativity and finesse than it is about speed or loudness.
at first, this song sounded so weird to me, because of this rhythm so hard to understand and to digest... but then I insisted, and now I love it, and the whole album as well! I'm not a musician nor drummer, but this looks really complex to play! amazing job, Leo!
Check out the Restless Boy play through! Im a drummer and this one seems easy in comparison. 🤣 Still, this is a great song and excellent complex drumming!
@@markototev dude, I'm listening to Leprous and, damn, it's super dope!!! Illuminate, but also at the bottom, the sky is red... man, amazing songs, extremely beautiful! thank you for recommending! can't stop now! :D
Amazing work. It's all buried in the album version (and that's not a criticism at all) so it's good to have a chance to hear Leo's work more clearly. And as always, he did an amazing work.
If you like what you’re seeing, check out my other videos on my own channel! Pain of Salvation playthroughs and much more! ruclips.net/user/leoslavovic
In the intro, the synth pattern seems to be based on a count of 14, straying from and returning back to the count. The song is in triplet feel so each count is divided by 3. I heard the following (1 = 1 count, | = pattern dividers): *14 | 10 + 11/3 | 1/3 + 16 | 8 + 11/3 | 1/3 + verse...* (Mathed together: 14 | 13+2/3 | 16+1/3 | 11+2/3 | 1/3 + verse...) As you can see, the 2nd and 4th synth patterns end with a fast triplet 11-thingy ("Dun dun du-dun dun dun" or 2+2+1+2+2+2 = 11). The 3rd pattern and the verse have a slow start where the first synth note is 1/3 longer (4/3 instead of 3/3 = 1), which compensates for the previous patterns cutting 1/3 short. So without the kooky 1/3 false starts, it would be 14 | 14 | 16 | 12. 16 + 12 = 14 + 14, and more importantly you can hear Leo kinda ignoring the different pattern division there anyway. My musical vocabulary isn't very good so if you didn't understand, any tips on how to explain it more clearly are appreciated. Just an amateur home drummer with a piano background.
Intro, verse and first chorus are in 7 with a triplet feel in the kick. Synth is in 4 for three measures, then follows hi hat to finish the grouping. The reason it sounds weird is because the synth adjusts you to 4/4, and then once the phrase finishes, it sounds like the downbeat is 1/16th early
As a new fan to the band, I'm ashamed it took me so long to find PoS. Panther is an absolute masterpiece, and as an amateur drummer, I always latch onto the astounding and creative drumming all throughout the album. It's nice to hear you doing your thing here Leo! Thank you for the inspiration!
A masterclass on grooving. Man, you are breathtaking this álbum. Hope in the Future we can hear more things like accelerator and restless boy. Very precise and complex work, but sounds simple and fluid.
@@omairsh8 all pos members are drinking from the youth fountain. I Saw leo here (Brasil) some years Ago and he looks fine, but now he really seems better, despite the Gray hair.
Wow Leo, you are truly a giftet musician! I love all of your Drum Playthroughs [i also desperadly try to play along with my edrums]. You also have some impressive recording and mixing skills, I would love to see some footage which will give some inside in your technique.
Incredibly complex structure played as a very simple one. This is what I see in professional drummers like Leo. Please keep publishing more video like this. Thank you!
This is such a stunning piece of music! We can only hope for more play throughs (other instruments are also very welcome 😅) from the album, but until then I will be watching this 2-14 times a day! This groove is so cool 😎
Le montage est de plus en plus en léché, avec l'image et la captation au top c'est vraiment vraiment cool. Merci pour ces vidéos, hâte de voir ça en live !
Jake Staffin there’s a huge difference in style between Pain of Salvation and The Sea Within, but it’s a worthwhile trip to taste everything Pain of Salvation and Daniel have offered up
PoS had a spree of albums in their early career that are all some of the best prog albums ever made! And Daniel's voice back then was next-level impressive. A range larger than 5 octaves.
Leo you make everything look so simple! Please provide a score for this. I can't figure out the time signature for the life of me and I'm usually pretty good at that. You always do so much with a simple set (Ala Dream Theater) and your skill is so mind blowing.
Which part is giving you the most trouble? It's in slow 7/8 with a subdivision of triplets. So make sure can feel all 7 triplets in a row clearly through all the cymbal accents. The "hiccups" that happens every 2 bars or so are just strong accents on the last part of the triplet on either the 4th or 7th beat of the bar. When it happens at the end of the bar (end of the 7th triplet) it is followed by an empty downbeat on one. That rest on 1 right after the upbeat of 7 might be throwing you off.
Haha :) Well I’ve actually been working out for almost 8 years, but the thing is it never really shows until your body fat percentage drops considerably! :)
Leo, to not get lost in the rhythm, is it better first play the drum/snare pattern (sextuplet subdivision) and then add the 8th cymbal line "over" or think in all parts together (I figure out a 7/8 time signature)?
For me switching to a 7/8 there would be super strange as it would imply a new tempo that has nothing to do with the previous one... So I guess it’s “just” a matter of getting used to the subdivision, practice groups with a metronomes, alternate 4 16th with quintuplet and then septuplets until it becomes natural... But be aware that it could take years... :D
I just don't understand why you edited the videos. In my opinion, an amazing drummer like Leo should be allowed to shine in real time. Anyway, very fun to watch and still listen to some of my favourite music.
Holy crap! This is amazing! I was driven to decipher and transcribe the intro: it's 3 bars of 21/8 + a bar of 18/8. Or you could say 3x 7/4 + 6/4 with triplets. Transcription here: gist.github.com/japgolly/94242805800d8dc17c4eef55ec1550d6 That's so creative and groovy. I'm in awe.
I don't get it..is it supposed to sound like a groove with a "limp" up until 3:57 or is that just me who doesn't cpmprehend this complex rhythm? Like serious, this is my 3rd listen and i'm trying but it just feels so odd up until that point
Try counting in groups of 7 non-stop along to the same speed of that synth in the intro (or just follow the hi-hat). Once you find the steady beat don't change the speed no matter what the accents are doing around it. You will notice everything revolves around 7 perfectly steady beats no matter what. It's in slow 7/8 with a subdivision of triplets. So make sure can feel all 7 triplets in a row clearly through all the cymbal accents. The "hiccups" that happens every 2 bars or so are just strong accents on the last part of the triplet on either the 4th or 7th beat of the bar. When it happens at the end of the bar (end of the 7th triplet) it is followed by an empty downbeat on one. That rest on 1 right after the upbeat of 7th triplet might be throwing you off.
@@Proghead88 Thank you so much for this explanation! I never expected such a deep analysis but thanks to you i can now enjpy the song as much as everyone else! :D
Proghead88 I am pretty sure the verses are alternating bars of 7 and 8 but the triplets still as you explained. If you count the entire thing in 7.. then you get really weird syncopated accents, if you alternate 7 and 8 each bar the accents stay in the same beats
This is my favourite song on the album. It does sound somewhat similar rhythmically to Leprous' song Illuminate, but I'm not a musician so I may be just having the wrong impression.
Some kind of polymeter with 5/16s in 3/4 with probably 7/8 alterations in the outer time. No idea though, it's a difficult rhythm to work out, even compared to Meshuggah's most complex rhythms
It's a nice drum piece, but this album is really random. The classic case of a band trying to innovate and getting something really random and nonsense. Seems PoS lost track long time ago, unfortunately.
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Thanks everybody for the amazing response! I can’t WAIT to show you my next playthrough! (See what I did there...? 😉😉)
Haha we'll be RESTLESS until then! Thanks for making these playthrough videos, they are so cool to watch. Awesome work!
YESSSSSSS give us that 13+11/16 love Leoooo
Just great. I love this alpha cymbals stil sounds awesome!
hell yeah, keep them coming, please! We'll WAIT :D
You deserve the best Leo. such a nice and humble guy you are. good job!
When I see drumming like this, I think it explains why drummers die more than any other musician and turn into green goo. I don't know how you can follow the base, the keyboard, and keep your own rhythm. You truly prove that good drumming is about creativity and finesse than it is about speed or loudness.
That freaking snare man❤
It's not a sound I'm used to hearing from a snare, but it is really cool, sounds big
Yeah, first this did not compute because the snare is so shallow..... Then I saw the diameter :O Great sound!
at first, this song sounded so weird to me, because of this rhythm so hard to understand and to digest... but then I insisted, and now I love it, and the whole album as well! I'm not a musician nor drummer, but this looks really complex to play! amazing job, Leo!
Check out the Restless Boy play through! Im a drummer and this one seems easy in comparison. 🤣 Still, this is a great song and excellent complex drumming!
@@steve.hoffman yeeeeaaahh I saw restless boy first actually! Super dope too! 😅🙂
You may enjoy Leprous, especially songs like Illuminate if you want to enjoy weird, complex patterns that also sound catchy :).
@@markototev cool! I've heard about Leprous but never listened to any of their songs. I'm gonna look for it now! thanks :))
@@markototev dude, I'm listening to Leprous and, damn, it's super dope!!! Illuminate, but also at the bottom, the sky is red... man, amazing songs, extremely beautiful! thank you for recommending! can't stop now! :D
Such a bizarre kick and hat pattern the syncopation is knarly killer job
I need a playthrough video from Leo of every PoS song! 🤘
There are many on my channel if you missed them :)
Amazing work. It's all buried in the album version (and that's not a criticism at all) so it's good to have a chance to hear Leo's work more clearly. And as always, he did an amazing work.
I wouldn't say it's buried tbh. The large absence of distorted guitars means the mix has more space for the other instruments, including the drums
If you like what you’re seeing, check out my other videos on my own channel! Pain of Salvation playthroughs and much more! ruclips.net/user/leoslavovic
3:41 Me when I try to see if one of the legs of my table is uneven
What an awesome drummer Leo is. And I was surprised to see what a great voice he has as well!
Mind is blown...🤯
ohhhh man....just as intense....cabt fint the word as a french canadian...awesome bro,,,,
I'm usually pretty good at detecting time signatures and finding the pattern in the beat. But I can't wrap my head around this one.
It definitely has something like 15/16 in there somewhere
In the intro, the synth pattern seems to be based on a count of 14, straying from and returning back to the count. The song is in triplet feel so each count is divided by 3. I heard the following (1 = 1 count, | = pattern dividers):
*14 | 10 + 11/3 | 1/3 + 16 | 8 + 11/3 | 1/3 + verse...* (Mathed together: 14 | 13+2/3 | 16+1/3 | 11+2/3 | 1/3 + verse...)
As you can see, the 2nd and 4th synth patterns end with a fast triplet 11-thingy ("Dun dun du-dun dun dun" or 2+2+1+2+2+2 = 11).
The 3rd pattern and the verse have a slow start where the first synth note is 1/3 longer (4/3 instead of 3/3 = 1), which compensates for the previous patterns cutting 1/3 short.
So without the kooky 1/3 false starts, it would be 14 | 14 | 16 | 12.
16 + 12 = 14 + 14, and more importantly you can hear Leo kinda ignoring the different pattern division there anyway.
My musical vocabulary isn't very good so if you didn't understand, any tips on how to explain it more clearly are appreciated.
Just an amateur home drummer with a piano background.
Intro, verse and first chorus are in 7 with a triplet feel in the kick. Synth is in 4 for three measures, then follows hi hat to finish the grouping.
The reason it sounds weird is because the synth adjusts you to 4/4, and then once the phrase finishes, it sounds like the downbeat is 1/16th early
It took me a few listens to get it right in my head as well, kinda weird beat, it's really cool tho
Lmao same here the 1 is somewhere by default or some tricky shit i bet
As a new fan to the band, I'm ashamed it took me so long to find PoS. Panther is an absolute masterpiece, and as an amateur drummer, I always latch onto the astounding and creative drumming all throughout the album. It's nice to hear you doing your thing here Leo! Thank you for the inspiration!
He managed to raise a HUUUGE respect in a brief period of time, no words for this outstanding performer!
It only took 13 years in the band! 😂
Love the rhythm. Very unique.
That triplet "Glitch" sound at 4:57 is just amazing!
Agreed! LOVE that part, especially on the studio version
16th note, but yeah. Very cool.
fuck yeah, this song is too good.
I thought it's an intended distortion in the mixing process to give an effect of halting, but damn PoS deceived my ears
@@rajacichlid251 well, you're not wrong. It IS a mix effect.
KILLER bass drum grooves!!!
A masterclass on grooving. Man, you are breathtaking this álbum. Hope in the Future we can hear more things like accelerator and restless boy. Very precise and complex work, but sounds simple and fluid.
A masterclass on grooving [2]
Leo is one of the highlights of the album for me
🙏❤️
@@LeoMargarit1 I saw you mention that you lost a lot of weight, looking good Leo :)
@@omairsh8 all pos members are drinking from the youth fountain. I Saw leo here (Brasil) some years Ago and he looks fine, but now he really seems better, despite the Gray hair.
Absolute beast!
Wow Leo, you are truly a giftet musician! I love all of your Drum Playthroughs [i also desperadly try to play along with my edrums]. You also have some impressive recording and mixing skills, I would love to see some footage which will give some inside in your technique.
Wow Leo! Snyggt jobbat!
If they every do a remix-version the drums should be punchy like this...great playing ! Thx1
Cool Léo !
Leo should do a tutorial on how to get that unique amazing drum sound
Haha, maybe I will :)
Incredibly complex structure played as a very simple one. This is what I see in professional drummers like Leo. Please keep publishing more video like this. Thank you!
Truly amazing !
LOVE IT! SO INSPIRING!
Great drumming on the whole album
Love that dark sounding hi-hat.
one of my favourite new tunes! Cheers for this, i've been trying to nail that kick beat
This is such a stunning piece of music! We can only hope for more play throughs (other instruments are also very welcome 😅) from the album, but until then I will be watching this 2-14 times a day! This groove is so cool 😎
Crazy work!
Very nice
Good work
Le montage est de plus en plus en léché, avec l'image et la captation au top c'est vraiment vraiment cool. Merci pour ces vidéos, hâte de voir ça en live !
I like their classic prog and this too
Remarquable batteur avec un jeu unique !
Love it
Really nice drum pattern dude! Thank you!
Waiting for drum videos of each song from "Panther" :)
Now obligatory!
Che Dio ti benedi'a, come si dice a Pisa!
This is the first song of theirs I've heard, coming from listening to Daniel sing for The Sea Within. I'm really liking this!!
Jake Staffin there’s a huge difference in style between Pain of Salvation and The Sea Within, but it’s a worthwhile trip to taste everything Pain of Salvation and Daniel have offered up
PoS had a spree of albums in their early career that are all some of the best prog albums ever made! And Daniel's voice back then was next-level impressive. A range larger than 5 octaves.
Oooh man, have fun checking out the discography! 🤯
Amazing song and amazing drummer.
This sounds better than the studio version.
Who gives this a thumbs down? This is magnificent drumming :o !
And this should be the official video for the song. Not running Daniel but the drummer who's playing this amazing bass drum fill))
Как же мало сейчас надо для видео, даже поразительно!;-)
это не official video, это playthrough
Igor Sydorenko я про другое, что вообще сейчас для контента разного не так и много надо. Достаточно делать свою работу.
He looks great.
Holy metric modulation.
Du grand art !!!!
давно меня так никто не удивлял!!!
I fucking love this band!
This is awesome! I'm impressed by how much of it is just one foot :P I wish your drums were mixed like this on the album though :(
Amazing, as usual Léo!!
Ulubiona piosenka
Incredible. Leo is a beast!
So good. Great job! 👌👌
Léo is a monster! Many thanks for a great video !
So unique! Excellent!!!!
This is a beast!!!! 😍😍😍😍💪💪💪
It reminds me "Illuminate" from Leprous !
Gorgeous !!!
Leo, you make me choose the Paiste cymbals! ))
Love it, was hoping for this video!!
Somebody's been working out 🙂
Fantastic job, as always!!!
Leo you make everything look so simple! Please provide a score for this. I can't figure out the time signature for the life of me and I'm usually pretty good at that. You always do so much with a simple set (Ala Dream Theater) and your skill is so mind blowing.
Which part is giving you the most trouble?
It's in slow 7/8 with a subdivision of triplets. So make sure can feel all 7 triplets in a row clearly through all the cymbal accents. The "hiccups" that happens every 2 bars or so are just strong accents on the last part of the triplet on either the 4th or 7th beat of the bar. When it happens at the end of the bar (end of the 7th triplet) it is followed by an empty downbeat on one. That rest on 1 right after the upbeat of 7 might be throwing you off.
I would like to hear you count
YEAH!!!!
I think that nowadays, if you are a member o POS , Daniel obliges you to go to the gym e Leo?...haha.. Great playing as always you're one of he best!
Haha :) Well I’ve actually been working out for almost 8 years, but the thing is it never really shows until your body fat percentage drops considerably! :)
You masterize slow motion now :D. Zo good !
Wait until you see the next video...! 😂
Leo, to not get lost in the rhythm, is it better first play the drum/snare pattern (sextuplet subdivision) and then add the 8th cymbal line "over" or think in all parts together (I figure out a 7/8 time signature)?
For me switching to a 7/8 there would be super strange as it would imply a new tempo that has nothing to do with the previous one... So I guess it’s “just” a matter of getting used to the subdivision, practice groups with a metronomes, alternate 4 16th with quintuplet and then septuplets until it becomes natural... But be aware that it could take years... :D
I just don't understand why you edited the videos. In my opinion, an amazing drummer like Leo should be allowed to shine in real time. Anyway, very fun to watch and still listen to some of my favourite music.
😎👍❤🇫🇷🇺🇸🥁💣🎼 LEO!!!
amazing!
COOL
you can always bet on a cool grove from POS.
Holy crap! This is amazing! I was driven to decipher and transcribe the intro: it's 3 bars of 21/8 + a bar of 18/8. Or you could say 3x 7/4 + 6/4 with triplets. Transcription here: gist.github.com/japgolly/94242805800d8dc17c4eef55ec1550d6
That's so creative and groovy. I'm in awe.
Actually it stays in 7 all the way, it's just that the last hit of 4th bar is syncopated and there's no accent on the 1 when it starts over...
Oh wow thanks@@LeoMargarit1 !! Absolutely loving your work!
Next level shit bro
The secret is in good ol' shoes
I still have no freaking idea which timesigs are used here.
This guy is absolutely insane, doing crazy unnormal poyrythms.. i wanna see how he plays full throttle tribe
ruclips.net/video/QdaopHaXKVU/видео.html
Drum stick upside down on snare, why is that? Amazing job by the way, one of my fv bands ever.
More power! Portnoy plays like that too.
Great as always! Now Daniel should record a vocal playthrough too..well, all the band 2gether hahahaha
I don't get it..is it supposed to sound like a groove with a "limp" up until 3:57 or is that just me who doesn't cpmprehend this complex rhythm? Like serious, this is my 3rd listen and i'm trying but it just feels so odd up until that point
try about 30 times and you will get used to it :)
Those are rookie numbers, son. I'm on my 15th listen, still trying to figure it out.
Try counting in groups of 7 non-stop along to the same speed of that synth in the intro (or just follow the hi-hat). Once you find the steady beat don't change the speed no matter what the accents are doing around it. You will notice everything revolves around 7 perfectly steady beats no matter what.
It's in slow 7/8 with a subdivision of triplets. So make sure can feel all 7 triplets in a row clearly through all the cymbal accents. The "hiccups" that happens every 2 bars or so are just strong accents on the last part of the triplet on either the 4th or 7th beat of the bar. When it happens at the end of the bar (end of the 7th triplet) it is followed by an empty downbeat on one. That rest on 1 right after the upbeat of 7th triplet might be throwing you off.
@@Proghead88 Thank you so much for this explanation! I never expected such a deep analysis but thanks to you i can now enjpy the song as much as everyone else! :D
Proghead88 I am pretty sure the verses are alternating bars of 7 and 8 but the triplets still as you explained. If you count the entire thing in 7.. then you get really weird syncopated accents, if you alternate 7 and 8 each bar the accents stay in the same beats
Does anyone notice that he's playing the snare with the end of his drumstick?
its very common
Yeah people do it because its heavier and also for cross sticking
Well I wouldn't be surprised if he was a massive fan of Portnoy..
@@Adiaf8oros Though he is on a completely different level in terms of technical ability(and also in musicality IMHO).
@@facepalmjesus1608 why is that? does it influence the sound in some way, or is it a matter of comfort, or just a schtick, or...?
Those legs have their own brain
LEO KICKING EVERYONE'S ASS
Brilliant piece of drumming, just not sure about the song as a whole.
damn I can't fucking count it. Good Job!
That bass drum patern is hard to follow
This is my favourite song on the album. It does sound somewhat similar rhythmically to Leprous' song Illuminate, but I'm not a musician so I may be just having the wrong impression.
I think this is what Lars Ulrich was trying to do on some kind of monster.......but failed miserably lol
Some kind of polymeter with 5/16s in 3/4 with probably 7/8 alterations in the outer time. No idea though, it's a difficult rhythm to work out, even compared to Meshuggah's most complex rhythms
the loose china cymbal is giving me anxiety...
It's a nice drum piece, but this album is really random. The classic case of a band trying to innovate and getting something really random and nonsense. Seems PoS lost track long time ago, unfortunately.