I know she meant she was physically and emotionally still with him (and it’s a call back to the previous episode where she says “I’m still here BoJack” after he says everyone has left), but on my first watch of the episode I initially took it as “I’m still alive arent I”
Also she didn’t just “date him” for seven years, she has been in his life for twenty five years and was his agent/manager/producer for over ten years During which she bent over backwards trying to get him roles even when everyone thought he was washed up and he kept turning down any opportunity, while having to deal with his self destructing and self loathing behavior, while he constantly disrespected/ignored her boundaries Their scene in the finale was really sweet but I’m glad she also distanced herself from him both personally and professionally
“ive also hurt alot of men” why does he say this like it makes the situation any better 💀, if anything it probably makes him look even worse cause he just admitted he hurt even more people wtf
@@falconeshield shit i just realised that, i wonder what happened to Gina tho, we know that after what bojack did she was going through alot of trauma but we never find out if she ever did manage to move on from bojack
They say things change when you become a parent. PC was obviously hurt when Bojacks admitted that Sarah Lynn was the only woman he loved. That was bad enough but now that she has a daughter she's really rethinking her relationship with him. Is this a guy she really wants her child to be around? Especially knowing what he almost did to Charlottes daughter and did to Sarah Lynn? Or would she be teaching her daughter that the relationship she had with Bojack is what women should go for? Or would she even be putting her as risk of being hurt by Bojack? PC becoming a mom helps her realize that as much as she cares about Bojack she still really needs to distance herself from people like him. Especially when he already crossed that line with Charlottes child. Like PC, Charlotte was a romance interest for Bojack and a good friend. That still didn't stop him from betraying Charlotte in the worst way possible that endagerd her daughter. Bojack also knew Sarah Lynne since she was little but that also didn't stop him from being inappropriate with her. So why would PC want to risk her daughter being around him? Especially when he has already betrayed her and his other freinds repeatedly. These are uncomfortable truths that she has to accept now.
Plus PC is beginning to regret her decision to help 'spin' Bojack's horrible deeds in a more sympathetic light to save his reputation and professor career. Sure PC has had a history of doing these things for Bojack in his acting career, but there were clear moments where she should have stopped being Bojack's agent AND girlfriend. That is why I love that she is making it abundantly clear to Bojack that she is not going to continue saving him or telling him things will be okay, but that she is going to do what is important to her: spending time with her daughter, Ruthie.
Agreed. As much as Bojack claims he wants to change, in the end he always goes back to the same cycle. It doesn't matter if that mouse lady took advantage of the situation and spun it to make Bojack look bad. After knowing the truth about SL and how Bojack abandoned her when she could have been saved if he didn't leave her for seventeen minutes, only proves to PC that Bojack will do anything to hurt anyone just to make himself feel better. Be it women, men, friend, or lover. And now that she has Ruthie and is being serious about becoming a mom, PC understands that Bojack can not be in her life and have her daughter be exposed to this kind of behavior and believe it's normal. Because Ruthie might end up like Charlottes daughter or even SL, if not by Bojack then by someone like him.
I’m glad she’s setting boundaries now but I wish she did this sooner, specifically when he choked Gina. There’s a lot of things you can write off when it comes to PC tolerating Bojack’s behavior, since she didn’t witness most of it, but she was on set and saw first hand what happened. She shouldn’t have set up that good PR interview and left him that day, only stepping in to help Gina. There was no coming back for him, he almost committed second degree murder while blacked out on painkillers. I love PC, she’s my favorite character, but that was not a good moment for her 😔
“I think you have three hours before this interview airs and your world changes completely. You should think about how you should want to spend that time.” It’s chilling how haunting that line is. That interview was basically Bojacks death sentence.
Oh, so that's when he relapsed. I mean, she didn't know what would happen. If it did, she didn't wanna be responsible for cleaning it up again, like so many times before. 😤😩
I noticed that PC usually has this kind of tone in her voice. It sounds eager, encouraging, determined. U can be going through some stuff and her saying anything with that tone could make even the worse news a bit lighter But here? It’s practically gone. She sounds flat, disappointed, annoyed. She realizes how much Bojack has screwed up. It’s not only the actions, it was his own attitude. She sees how little he respects her and her input as an agent and someone who’s extremely close to him. Like she said, she told him to stop while he was ahead, he didn’t listen, it blew up in his face, and he’s back to his “Waaa I’m the victim! No one cares! I’m the one who’s suffering and has issues! It’s not fair! It’s not my fault! Waaaaa!” schtick. He is completely back to his old toxic behaviors (she saw it before the 2nd interview and after the first one and I bet u PC was hoping this wasn’t what the case and was hoping he’d really change) and doesn’t even really see or care what he’s done wrong. He hasn’t really changed. He’s also made it perfectly clear to her that it doesn’t matter how much you mean to Bojack Horseman, he will not hesitate to throw you under the bus if he or his precious image was in trouble. PC realized here that she’s going in circles with him, and as a close friend, a past romantic partner, an agent, and as a mother to a daughter, she needs to let him go and deal with his own issues by himself. As much as it probably hurts and she still cares for him, he’s an attention seeking/addicted, selfish person and a danger to anyone around him, especially to women.
I'm guilty of ignoring the red flags in people, hoping that through it all, the good in them will eventually come out. Heck, we ALL are. But there comes a time where you have to realize and accept that some people will never change; they don't want to. They enjoy feeling depressed, hopeless, alone, etc. As pointed out in BoJack's case in season 3, it becomes a fetish to them. As the saying goes: "Misery loves its company". In which case, you need to cut them loose from your life, even if it hurts. And yes, they're probably going to manipulate emotions into thinking you don't really care for them, you only care for yourself, blah blah blah; they're essentially describing themselves in the projection.
As Wanda once said "you know it's funny when you look at someone through rose tinted glasses all the red flags just look like flags" Princess Carolyn has been enabling Bojack for so long that she just looked past his bad behavior until finally she couldn't anymore and realized she could no longer help him and that he needed to help himself and that she also had to distance herself from him for her sake and her daughter's sake too no matter how much she still cared for him and always would.
The fact that he didnt even recgonize the different tone in PC's voice (or possible lack of care of it) and they were together over 7 years. Talk about being full of it
This was the moment when PC stopped both sugarcoating the truth for Bojack and telling him what he wanted to hear. She knew he had fucked up the interview, and that there was no turning back. His life was going to change forever.
She also cut him out of her life for good, know just what kind of person he truly is and always will be. He will never change, because he's too lazy to even try.
@@nevaehhamilton3493 Well, let's give him credit, he did try to change, and by the end of the series we see some improvement. But that doesn't mean that his past mistakes are absolved. They still haunt him, and the people he hurt and disappointed, like PC, moved away because they knew there were better off by distancing from him. Bojack can still change, but he will have to make new relationships and learn to live with those he ruined.
The worst (best, on the writing perspective) thing about that is... Bojack genuinly thinks that also hurting men makes his actions less disgusting. Like, dude? WHAT YOU SAID JUST MAKES IT EVEN WORSE! You just admited to yourself that you are a toxic person who NOBODY is safe from! He's so in his head, he doesn't even realize what he's saying (as always). I can't get enough of this show, it's so painfully brilliant...
The scary part is that not only does he hurt both men and women, but he also hurts his family be shitty to them, scared them, and traumatized them he can even trust himself or even repect himself it's like it's like evil is in a shell
0:06 Bojack is so unable to see outside himself that he is incapable of realizing that he's dead wrong here. Biscuits could have easily gone about her day. She could have said "Well my job here is done." And she was going to, was more than happy to. She said herself that she got the ratings she wanted with the first interview. She would have gained nothing from the second interview. But Paige helped her see things differently. Similarly to what Diane's done or tried to do for almost the entire show (which is interesting because Diane is a protagonist, but many see Paige and Max as villains for digging up Bojack's shit), Paige got Biscuits to see the bigger picture. That Bojack has gotten off easy so many times even though he's done so many unforgivable things. Going easy on people like Bojack is contributing to the toxic nature of Hollywood and nothing is going to get better until we start holding them accountable. I think that's the reason Biscuits went so hard on Bojack. Not because of ratings like he thinks, but because she's genuinely disgusted. She was passionate when she spoke, tore into him relentlessly. When she said, "I'm talking now, you're not talking" I felt her contempt. Biscuits is a woman and Bojack's actions towards other women genuinely upset her
Great points- though plenty of people continue to see Diane as the villain too. Starting to think maybe some of these viewers just don’t like it when women specifically hold men accountable
@@BringerOfGeekdomthey think Penny and Charlotte are villains too. That’s really the problem with this show’s vocal fan base: they started watching this show as teens and young adults but never grew up and learned how to critically think about the media they consume. And because they came around a time where relating completely to a character they like was in vogue, suddenly an attack on Bojack is an attack on them. Bojack can’t be a sexual predator or abuser because what does that say about them? It’s easier to vilify fictional women than it is to confront the gross reality of being a parasocial weirdo about a fictional character.
This is it. This is where Princess Carolyn realized that Bojack never truly appreciate her. She only stuck by Bojack because she wanted her first love story to have a happy ending, but with this guy? The guy she spent so much time trying to help and yet was never rewarded, never thanked by her efforts, her sacrifices? Is this the type of man she wants her daughter to stick by? When Bojack said that Sarah Lynn was the ONLY woman he ever truly loved, PC realized that she could never have what she wanted with Bojack. And thinking back on all the years she has been with him, dated and slept with him, she just woke up. She had to break out of this once and for all. She could have still been alongside Bojack had he just gone back to Connecticut like she said, but he didn't and done the second interview. This proves once again that PC's time with Bojack never made an impact and now she's done. With Bojack. Now PC has the child she always wanted in Ruthie, a partner who is there for her and helps her in every aspect (Judah), and boundaries between her work life and personal life. But if she stood by Bojack, it would get damaged and she does not want that. Bojack may have been PC's first love, but not all love stories end happily.
@@butdoicaretho no, when the story and it's main character stagnated. They could have easily put the most interesting concepts into 2 seasons, instead of 3 seasons. Then, BoJack could have grown after this bottom at the end of season 3 (and still had to made-up for his mistakes). Instead off: "well, I am gonna be better! Oh wait no, I will stagnate ánd make more mistakes. And end up with the dog without an fulfilling ending of show and most of its main characters. Oepsie!"
@@trueblade3636The stagnation was the whole point. To show how difficult ut is to change. This isn't the "main charakter hears the right words and he gets it" fairytale.
It was at this moment that PC was done with BoJack. She had had enough. Even the way she responds to his antics says she's tired of it all; she doesn't have the energy to argue or reason with him. She just..........gives up. I personally would. You can only go so far with trying to help a friend before you need to cut them off for your own good.
it’s so interesting to me how bojack loses all steam and immediately starts assuaging once PC yells at him. he’s confronted with accountability and direct consequence and can’t even bring himself the courage to address that. he’s a coward
the crazy part is all he had to do was listen to PC and not do the second interview, but he still deserved it so Im torn but i mostly think he deserved it
@bubbledoubletrouble Yes. I've always thought the same thing. Due to his narcissism and sense of entitlement, he never fathomed how that interview could go wrong. Or even that he had anything to be ashamed of, and he still didn't. Even afterwards, he felt that viewers would side with him.
Sadly he's a lot like his mother. Sure, they both had a shit childhood, but the amount of damage they've done erodes most of the goodwill that could've been had.
I believe this is the moment when PC decided to distant or cut ties with Bojack. She had helped him all she could and he still had to push his luck by not listening to her. She saved him, but he continues to self-destruct despite her efforts for him.
Bojack knows his actions are unjustified, but they are easy/cheap ways to satisfy any selfish motives and needs he may have at the time, he talks and talks in order to convince himself that he’s in the right, and to hopefully gain validation for his actions whether it be through himself or another person
@@anthonyf616she was also his gf at time and a close friend so some would associate her with that or unfairly blame her for his actions or think she didn't do ENOUGH to help him.
Bojack never cared about any of it. Sure, he always made a big show of how much he hated hurting people and how he was always trying to atone for his past mistakes, but it’s never because he actually cares about how it affects them when you really look at it. It’s always done in this self-pitying and infantilizing way, so he could perpetuate his own misery. It’s really evident in episodes like this one or the one where he stalked Penny at her college, which he’s doing to reassure himself that he ruined her- it was all so he could continue victimizing himself in his own mind. There wasn’t a point throughout the entire show where Bojack cared about the person he hurt beyond his own selfish desire to be a helpless victim of addiction, not even at the very end of the series when his big question to all of his old friends was, “What about me?”
yeah they really dropped the ball on his character writing after the third season. its almost like they kept him in an unrealistic state of perpetual self-ignorance until netflix decided to cancel the show, then they hastily tied everything up at the last minute. its almost like the whole show was focus grouped to perfection so as to not cause distaste in a wide swath of the netflix audience. its almost like.
I don’t know why till this day I still find myself feeling bad for Bojack. Even though he CAUSED everything to happen. He’s not evil but he’s very mentally sick. I don’t hate him though. I relate to him on some level maybe not the abusing women part. But in terms of always self sabotaging no matter how many good things happen to me
it's because no one's a complete piece of shit. s1-3 was an establishment of Bojack's shitty behavior, the very next truly big shitty thing he did was choking Gina. But in s4-6 he was truly trying to put his shittiness behind him (being by his mother when she freaked out instead of insulting her, helping Hollyhock find her mom, getting Todd his date), especially in s6 where he tried to get a new life. the conflicts there were that his consequences would catch up to him, and that it would make his progress all worthless, and that did happen, but then in the finale, it was established he had nothing else to do but keep on living, better. that's the lesson of the show: everyone is good at times and bad at times, and it is in their hands what to do moving forward
Going back to early season 1: -Episode 1 starts with Bojack absolutely bombing an interview -He breaks up with PC in the first episode, forgets to take her home and she spends the night in his place against her will, and later keeps having sex with her throught the next eps
He also spends most of his time in his big house, drinking and watching Horsin' Around. In episode 1, we're teased that BoJack dies with the Horsin' Around finale, in which the Horse dies. The final episode does this exact same trick.
The sad thing is I think PC could have at least done something. I think it still would have been bad, but I think she could have made it look less bad if she wanted to. However, she was done trying. Even if she could have fixed it, Bojack would have ruined it again. The whole reason he's in the current situation is because he didn't listen to her when she said "don't do another interview." Also, she realized it wasn't Bojack feeling bad anymore like it looked when he talked about feeling bad about Sarah Lynn in the previous episode. This was him caring about his image now, and what that meant for his career. In the end, PC was done trying, and knew whether she could fix it or not, Bojack would just find a way to make it even worse. Completely understandable why she didn't try to help him after this moment.
The way the only positive they could say for his relationship with PC is that she isn't dead.. How is bojack so blind his mistakes that he can't even see that the best option that can happen out of relationship as bojack is NOT DYING.
@@MoonLoonie69 Definitely not!! He is a complete monster. I feel like the only reason why I feel pity for him is because he actually wants to change and better himself. And I know no men like that. But.... If he TRULY wants to better himself, he needs to bite the hard pill. And my GOD is it hard to watch. Like, you'd think it would be satisfying?
Bojack deserved the repercussions of that second interview because he 1. Never should have done it 2. He would have kept getting away with his bad behavior if not for the 2nd interview. However part of me feels bad for him because the whole interview was just a hit piece for ratings I don't think Biscuits truly cared about what he did it was all just for clickbait really.
Yey i do think what shady did say about biscits is 100 percent worng in my opinion and johnny did make a really good point that shes a journalist and we know what really happend as a aduince but we shouldn't expect people in universe to have the full context and if he had payd attention it was page who suggested to get more info and plus after she got the info from a horse that is supposed to be a therapist but isnt and did what page said but we cant deny that bojack still did those shitty things and it effects people like penny dispute bojack changed before the second interview incident penny still veiw bojack as a monster and well who could blame her and even charttlate as well and even more people he effected and heck the pete is still traumatized by the alchol incident and how bojack abandoned both pete and maddie at a hospital without actually helping theme out frist and well proves more that krama came back to bite his butt in the second interview this is what happends if you view everything as a sitcom you think you got away but actions has consequences and karma will come back to bite you someday
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"We dated for 7 years. You think I took advantage of you?"
"...I'm here, aren't I?"
That's the most indirect 'Yes' I've ever heard from a character.
Oh?
Ouch. If it were me I'd probably say that trying to agree and then realize that I could almost be disagree and then realize I in fact do
Lmao “I got you this interview that was meant to make you letting a girl die seem not as bad. That should give you enough of an answer.”
I know she meant she was physically and emotionally still with him (and it’s a call back to the previous episode where she says “I’m still here BoJack” after he says everyone has left), but on my first watch of the episode I initially took it as “I’m still alive arent I”
Also she didn’t just “date him” for seven years, she has been in his life for twenty five years and was his agent/manager/producer for over ten years
During which she bent over backwards trying to get him roles even when everyone thought he was washed up and he kept turning down any opportunity, while having to deal with his self destructing and self loathing behavior, while he constantly disrespected/ignored her boundaries
Their scene in the finale was really sweet but I’m glad she also distanced herself from him both personally and professionally
“ive also hurt alot of men” why does he say this like it makes the situation any better 💀, if anything it probably makes him look even worse cause he just admitted he hurt even more people wtf
He never brings Gina up.
@@falconeshield shit i just realised that, i wonder what happened to Gina tho, we know that after what bojack did she was going through alot of trauma but we never find out if she ever did manage to move on from bojack
@@AlexPinna531 apparently she’s still a famous movie actress. You see her poster on a billboard in the background
It makes it seem like he’s not a sexist. “Yea I’m bad person but I’m not misogynistic. I’m just a shitty person in general”
@@marlom7882damn i never realised that, which scene is the billboard?
They say things change when you become a parent. PC was obviously hurt when Bojacks admitted that Sarah Lynn was the only woman he loved. That was bad enough but now that she has a daughter she's really rethinking her relationship with him.
Is this a guy she really wants her child to be around? Especially knowing what he almost did to Charlottes daughter and did to Sarah Lynn? Or would she be teaching her daughter that the relationship she had with Bojack is what women should go for? Or would she even be putting her as risk of being hurt by Bojack?
PC becoming a mom helps her realize that as much as she cares about Bojack she still really needs to distance herself from people like him. Especially when he already crossed that line with Charlottes child. Like PC, Charlotte was a romance interest for Bojack and a good friend. That still didn't stop him from betraying Charlotte in the worst way possible that endagerd her daughter. Bojack also knew Sarah Lynne since she was little but that also didn't stop him from being inappropriate with her. So why would PC want to risk her daughter being around him? Especially when he has already betrayed her and his other freinds repeatedly.
These are uncomfortable truths that she has to accept now.
Plus PC is beginning to regret her decision to help 'spin' Bojack's horrible deeds in a more sympathetic light to save his reputation and professor career. Sure PC has had a history of doing these things for Bojack in his acting career, but there were clear moments where she should have stopped being Bojack's agent AND girlfriend. That is why I love that she is making it abundantly clear to Bojack that she is not going to continue saving him or telling him things will be okay, but that she is going to do what is important to her: spending time with her daughter, Ruthie.
Agreed. As much as Bojack claims he wants to change, in the end he always goes back to the same cycle. It doesn't matter if that mouse lady took advantage of the situation and spun it to make Bojack look bad. After knowing the truth about SL and how Bojack abandoned her when she could have been saved if he didn't leave her for seventeen minutes, only proves to PC that Bojack will do anything to hurt anyone just to make himself feel better. Be it women, men, friend, or lover. And now that she has Ruthie and is being serious about becoming a mom, PC understands that Bojack can not be in her life and have her daughter be exposed to this kind of behavior and believe it's normal. Because Ruthie might end up like Charlottes daughter or even SL, if not by Bojack then by someone like him.
@@cosmok-1367 Did Bojack change but as you said at the end he didn't?
I’m glad she’s setting boundaries now but I wish she did this sooner, specifically when he choked Gina. There’s a lot of things you can write off when it comes to PC tolerating Bojack’s behavior, since she didn’t witness most of it, but she was on set and saw first hand what happened. She shouldn’t have set up that good PR interview and left him that day, only stepping in to help Gina. There was no coming back for him, he almost committed second degree murder while blacked out on painkillers.
I love PC, she’s my favorite character, but that was not a good moment for her 😔
PC's choice was an excellent one, without a doubt.
“I think you have three hours before this interview airs and your world changes completely. You should think about how you should want to spend that time.”
It’s chilling how haunting that line is. That interview was basically Bojacks death sentence.
Yup. Basically, do anything you want right now, because there's no coming back from this.
Oh, so that's when he relapsed. I mean, she didn't know what would happen. If it did, she didn't wanna be responsible for cleaning it up again, like so many times before. 😤😩
I noticed that PC usually has this kind of tone in her voice. It sounds eager, encouraging, determined. U can be going through some stuff and her saying anything with that tone could make even the worse news a bit lighter
But here? It’s practically gone. She sounds flat, disappointed, annoyed. She realizes how much Bojack has screwed up. It’s not only the actions, it was his own attitude. She sees how little he respects her and her input as an agent and someone who’s extremely close to him. Like she said, she told him to stop while he was ahead, he didn’t listen, it blew up in his face, and he’s back to his “Waaa I’m the victim! No one cares! I’m the one who’s suffering and has issues! It’s not fair! It’s not my fault! Waaaaa!” schtick. He is completely back to his old toxic behaviors (she saw it before the 2nd interview and after the first one and I bet u PC was hoping this wasn’t what the case and was hoping he’d really change) and doesn’t even really see or care what he’s done wrong. He hasn’t really changed. He’s also made it perfectly clear to her that it doesn’t matter how much you mean to Bojack Horseman, he will not hesitate to throw you under the bus if he or his precious image was in trouble.
PC realized here that she’s going in circles with him, and as a close friend, a past romantic partner, an agent, and as a mother to a daughter, she needs to let him go and deal with his own issues by himself. As much as it probably hurts and she still cares for him, he’s an attention seeking/addicted, selfish person and a danger to anyone around him, especially to women.
I'm guilty of ignoring the red flags in people, hoping that through it all, the good in them will eventually come out. Heck, we ALL are. But there comes a time where you have to realize and accept that some people will never change; they don't want to. They enjoy feeling depressed, hopeless, alone, etc. As pointed out in BoJack's case in season 3, it becomes a fetish to them. As the saying goes: "Misery loves its company".
In which case, you need to cut them loose from your life, even if it hurts. And yes, they're probably going to manipulate emotions into thinking you don't really care for them, you only care for yourself, blah blah blah; they're essentially describing themselves in the projection.
Which makes Hollyhock’s decision to cut off ties with Bojack all the more right!
"I'm tired of running in circles."
Yes, this!
As Wanda once said "you know it's funny when you look at someone through rose tinted glasses all the red flags just look like flags" Princess Carolyn has been enabling Bojack for so long that she just looked past his bad behavior until finally she couldn't anymore and realized she could no longer help him and that he needed to help himself and that she also had to distance herself from him for her sake and her daughter's sake too no matter how much she still cared for him and always would.
The fact that he didnt even recgonize the different tone in PC's voice (or possible lack of care of it) and they were together over 7 years. Talk about being full of it
This was the moment when PC stopped both sugarcoating the truth for Bojack and telling him what he wanted to hear. She knew he had fucked up the interview, and that there was no turning back. His life was going to change forever.
She also cut him out of her life for good, know just what kind of person he truly is and always will be. He will never change, because he's too lazy to even try.
He probably should of thrown Sarah Lynn's mom under the bus when he had the chance
@@nevaehhamilton3493 Well, let's give him credit, he did try to change, and by the end of the series we see some improvement. But that doesn't mean that his past mistakes are absolved. They still haunt him, and the people he hurt and disappointed, like PC, moved away because they knew there were better off by distancing from him. Bojack can still change, but he will have to make new relationships and learn to live with those he ruined.
I have also hurt A LOT of men is sickly hilarious
At least he’s not a sexist just a shit guy in general. Gotta kinda respect that
The worst (best, on the writing perspective) thing about that is... Bojack genuinly thinks that also hurting men makes his actions less disgusting. Like, dude? WHAT YOU SAID JUST MAKES IT EVEN WORSE! You just admited to yourself that you are a toxic person who NOBODY is safe from! He's so in his head, he doesn't even realize what he's saying (as always).
I can't get enough of this show, it's so painfully brilliant...
The scary part is that not only does he hurt both men and women, but he also hurts his family be shitty to them, scared them, and traumatized them he can even trust himself or even repect himself it's like it's like evil is in a shell
I still feel bad for Herb and Todd
"I'm not racist, I hate all races equally"
0:06
Bojack is so unable to see outside himself that he is incapable of realizing that he's dead wrong here. Biscuits could have easily gone about her day. She could have said "Well my job here is done." And she was going to, was more than happy to. She said herself that she got the ratings she wanted with the first interview. She would have gained nothing from the second interview.
But Paige helped her see things differently. Similarly to what Diane's done or tried to do for almost the entire show (which is interesting because Diane is a protagonist, but many see Paige and Max as villains for digging up Bojack's shit), Paige got Biscuits to see the bigger picture. That Bojack has gotten off easy so many times even though he's done so many unforgivable things. Going easy on people like Bojack is contributing to the toxic nature of Hollywood and nothing is going to get better until we start holding them accountable.
I think that's the reason Biscuits went so hard on Bojack. Not because of ratings like he thinks, but because she's genuinely disgusted. She was passionate when she spoke, tore into him relentlessly. When she said, "I'm talking now, you're not talking" I felt her contempt.
Biscuits is a woman and Bojack's actions towards other women genuinely upset her
Great points- though plenty of people continue to see Diane as the villain too. Starting to think maybe some of these viewers just don’t like it when women specifically hold men accountable
@@BringerOfGeekdomWho the hell thinks Diane was the villain????
@@JustinCage56at one point i did not like her ngl
@@BringerOfGeekdomthey think Penny and Charlotte are villains too. That’s really the problem with this show’s vocal fan base: they started watching this show as teens and young adults but never grew up and learned how to critically think about the media they consume. And because they came around a time where relating completely to a character they like was in vogue, suddenly an attack on Bojack is an attack on them. Bojack can’t be a sexual predator or abuser because what does that say about them? It’s easier to vilify fictional women than it is to confront the gross reality of being a parasocial weirdo about a fictional character.
I wish you could applaud other people’s analyses on here, I really like this one
He doesn't know when to stop, exactly the same as when he tried to go back and talk to Herb again.
Also when he let Penny in to his boat
i think bojack gets addicted when people like him because thats what his parents never gave him
@@saulgoodmanactionfigure I think if he can't make people like him he'll make people hate him
@@ursidae97Jesus that’s depressing
This is it. This is where Princess Carolyn realized that Bojack never truly appreciate her. She only stuck by Bojack because she wanted her first love story to have a happy ending, but with this guy? The guy she spent so much time trying to help and yet was never rewarded, never thanked by her efforts, her sacrifices? Is this the type of man she wants her daughter to stick by?
When Bojack said that Sarah Lynn was the ONLY woman he ever truly loved, PC realized that she could never have what she wanted with Bojack. And thinking back on all the years she has been with him, dated and slept with him, she just woke up. She had to break out of this once and for all.
She could have still been alongside Bojack had he just gone back to Connecticut like she said, but he didn't and done the second interview. This proves once again that PC's time with Bojack never made an impact and now she's done. With Bojack.
Now PC has the child she always wanted in Ruthie, a partner who is there for her and helps her in every aspect (Judah), and boundaries between her work life and personal life. But if she stood by Bojack, it would get damaged and she does not want that. Bojack may have been PC's first love, but not all love stories end happily.
"Is it possible that you letting go is the happy ending" -BJ Horseman
The best part about this is, while we as an audience are pissed at Bojack, we're not pissed at the show.
Because the show did something incredible.
Nah. After season 3, the show went downhill
@@trueblade3636Oh so you mean when storylines continued to be more serious and compelling?
@@butdoicaretho no, when the story and it's main character stagnated.
They could have easily put the most interesting concepts into 2 seasons, instead of 3 seasons.
Then, BoJack could have grown after this bottom at the end of season 3 (and still had to made-up for his mistakes).
Instead off: "well, I am gonna be better! Oh wait no, I will stagnate ánd make more mistakes. And end up with the dog without an fulfilling ending of show and most of its main characters. Oepsie!"
@@trueblade3636thats the whole point of the show, when you think you couldnt fall lower you end up falling more
@@trueblade3636The stagnation was the whole point. To show how difficult ut is to change. This isn't the "main charakter hears the right words and he gets it" fairytale.
It was at this moment that PC was done with BoJack. She had had enough. Even the way she responds to his antics says she's tired of it all; she doesn't have the energy to argue or reason with him. She just..........gives up.
I personally would. You can only go so far with trying to help a friend before you need to cut them off for your own good.
it’s so interesting to me how bojack loses all steam and immediately starts assuaging once PC yells at him. he’s confronted with accountability and direct consequence and can’t even bring himself the courage to address that. he’s a coward
the crazy part is all he had to do was listen to PC and not do the second interview, but he still deserved it so Im torn but i mostly think he deserved it
The reason he deserved it is the reason he did the second interview
@@bubbledoubletrouble damn i actually never thought about it that way
@bubbledoubletrouble Yes. I've always thought the same thing. Due to his narcissism and sense of entitlement, he never fathomed how that interview could go wrong. Or even that he had anything to be ashamed of, and he still didn't. Even afterwards, he felt that viewers would side with him.
I know Bojack has been through a lot of shit but I don't think anything can excuse his selfish and unempathetic nature.
Sadly he's a lot like his mother.
Sure, they both had a shit childhood, but the amount of damage they've done erodes most of the goodwill that could've been had.
I believe this is the moment when PC decided to distant or cut ties with Bojack. She had helped him all she could and he still had to push his luck by not listening to her. She saved him, but he continues to self-destruct despite her efforts for him.
Bojack knows his actions are unjustified, but they are easy/cheap ways to satisfy any selfish motives and needs he may have at the time, he talks and talks in order to convince himself that he’s in the right, and to hopefully gain validation for his actions whether it be through himself or another person
Wow... Bojack really didn't care to the end. He's not worried how this will effect PC or her family.
How would it? She's just an agent doing what agents do
@@anthonyf616she was also his gf at time and a close friend so some would associate her with that or unfairly blame her for his actions or think she didn't do ENOUGH to help him.
@@anthonyf616She's a big manager by then. Association with Bojack could've hurt her business.
Bojack never cared about any of it. Sure, he always made a big show of how much he hated hurting people and how he was always trying to atone for his past mistakes, but it’s never because he actually cares about how it affects them when you really look at it. It’s always done in this self-pitying and infantilizing way, so he could perpetuate his own misery. It’s really evident in episodes like this one or the one where he stalked Penny at her college, which he’s doing to reassure himself that he ruined her- it was all so he could continue victimizing himself in his own mind.
There wasn’t a point throughout the entire show where Bojack cared about the person he hurt beyond his own selfish desire to be a helpless victim of addiction, not even at the very end of the series when his big question to all of his old friends was, “What about me?”
yeah they really dropped the ball on his character writing after the third season. its almost like they kept him in an unrealistic state of perpetual self-ignorance until netflix decided to cancel the show, then they hastily tied everything up at the last minute. its almost like the whole show was focus grouped to perfection so as to not cause distaste in a wide swath of the netflix audience. its almost like.
I don’t know why till this day I still find myself feeling bad for Bojack. Even though he CAUSED everything to happen. He’s not evil but he’s very mentally sick. I don’t hate him though. I relate to him on some level maybe not the abusing women part. But in terms of always self sabotaging no matter how many good things happen to me
it's because no one's a complete piece of shit. s1-3 was an establishment of Bojack's shitty behavior, the very next truly big shitty thing he did was choking Gina. But in s4-6 he was truly trying to put his shittiness behind him (being by his mother when she freaked out instead of insulting her, helping Hollyhock find her mom, getting Todd his date), especially in s6 where he tried to get a new life. the conflicts there were that his consequences would catch up to him, and that it would make his progress all worthless, and that did happen, but then in the finale, it was established he had nothing else to do but keep on living, better. that's the lesson of the show: everyone is good at times and bad at times, and it is in their hands what to do moving forward
Going back to early season 1:
-Episode 1 starts with Bojack absolutely bombing an interview
-He breaks up with PC in the first episode, forgets to take her home and she spends the night in his place against her will, and later keeps having sex with her throught the next eps
He also spends most of his time in his big house, drinking and watching Horsin' Around. In episode 1, we're teased that BoJack dies with the Horsin' Around finale, in which the Horse dies. The final episode does this exact same trick.
And then has sex with Sarah lynn the episode after that
@@dionbucys1514 actually the third ep, but yeah
Imagine if she said just give me 17 minutes ore something at the end-
The sad thing is I think PC could have at least done something. I think it still would have been bad, but I think she could have made it look less bad if she wanted to. However, she was done trying.
Even if she could have fixed it, Bojack would have ruined it again. The whole reason he's in the current situation is because he didn't listen to her when she said "don't do another interview." Also, she realized it wasn't Bojack feeling bad anymore like it looked when he talked about feeling bad about Sarah Lynn in the previous episode. This was him caring about his image now, and what that meant for his career.
In the end, PC was done trying, and knew whether she could fix it or not, Bojack would just find a way to make it even worse. Completely understandable why she didn't try to help him after this moment.
@@MarcoStrange
Huh? Oh no no not her fixing it!
Like he says what can I do and she says wait 17 minutes as an insult/reference towards what he did
The way the only positive they could say for his relationship with PC is that she isn't dead.. How is bojack so blind his mistakes that he can't even see that the best option that can happen out of relationship as bojack is NOT DYING.
Everything that comes after this second interview Bojack brought on himself.
I hate that the whole Gina thing wasn't brought up. Bojack got off the hook for what he did to her while we see Gina traumatized from the event.
That was Gina's choice as she did not want to be associated with that event for her entire life.
@@lpallad1 yeah, though I wonder what would happen if he did reveal that.
@@bcrunch4232 yeah.
@@lpallad1 what do you think would have happened?
@@bcrunch4232 I dont know.
34 minutes ago?
godamn i love bojack
He may have hurt alot of men, but what he did to women was unforgivable too. He needs to know that
Princess carolyn is literally me holy shit
They could never make me hate you Bojack Horseman :(
I really wish he just did the one interview. He deserved punishment but the end was just ...too much
No he deserved to be punished. He can’t keep running away from the actions he’s caused that hurt other people.
@@MoonLoonie69 he so does deserve it. But I felt so overwhelmed by everything. But Sarah Lynn deserves this for her too
@@tulipplant9317 I know it’s hard to see but what he did to Sarah Lynn, Penny, and other younger women is this the kind of hero you want to win?
@@MoonLoonie69 Definitely not!! He is a complete monster. I feel like the only reason why I feel pity for him is because he actually wants to change and better himself. And I know no men like that. But.... If he TRULY wants to better himself, he needs to bite the hard pill. And my GOD is it hard to watch. Like, you'd think it would be satisfying?
Bojack deserved the repercussions of that second interview because he 1. Never should have done it 2. He would have kept getting away with his bad behavior if not for the 2nd interview. However part of me feels bad for him because the whole interview was just a hit piece for ratings I don't think Biscuits truly cared about what he did it was all just for clickbait really.
Yey i do think what shady did say about biscits is 100 percent worng in my opinion and johnny did make a really good point that shes a journalist and we know what really happend as a aduince but we shouldn't expect people in universe to have the full context and if he had payd attention it was page who suggested to get more info and plus after she got the info from a horse that is supposed to be a therapist but isnt and did what page said but we cant deny that bojack still did those shitty things and it effects people like penny dispute bojack changed before the second interview incident penny still veiw bojack as a monster and well who could blame her and even charttlate as well and even more people he effected and heck the pete is still traumatized by the alchol incident and how bojack abandoned both pete and maddie at a hospital without actually helping theme out frist and well proves more that krama came back to bite his butt in the second interview this is what happends if you view everything as a sitcom you think you got away but actions has consequences and karma will come back to bite you someday
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I agree