Deadwood - George Hearst Explains Capitalism
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- Hearst: Gold is every man's opportunity. Why do I make that argument? Because every defect in a man and in others a way of taking him, our agreement that gold has value gives us power to rise above.
Odell: Fond as you are of my mother, without that gold I showed you, I don't expect we'd be out here talking.
Hearst: That is correct. And for your effrontery at our meal a moment ago, I'd have seen you shot or hanged without second thought. The value I gave the gold restrained me, you see - your utility in connection to it. And because of my gold those at the other tables deferred to my restraint. Gold confers power. Power comes to any man who has the color.
We organize to seek the color
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Among the many many moments from Deadwood that stuck with me since the first time I saw it, this is one of the best!
Commodity fetishism in a nutshell. What a great character.
yeah this is more like hearst explains the commodity form
This is the finest, most underrated show to ever grace our screens. A masterpiece.
The kind of dialogue actors live for, as McRainey said.
Looks like McRainey got it. That may not sound like much, but not all actors get what is trying to be said.
Writers need actors who get it. They're useless without it.
@@romancandle416David milch going into the bag of tricks to pull out Major fucking Dad as the greatest antagonist in tv history
If David Milch had been allowed to make the show he originally wanted, this would have been a scene about Paul the Apostle explaining Christianity's ability to unify the Roman world to centurion who's son he helped quit drinking.
Notice Hearst is visibly hurt (the only time in the whole series) by the fact that he is hated in the camp. His obsession with the color means he has no room for connections to other people - and he knows this, and wants to tear down the thing that reminds him of that fact.
I think he is an apt personification of capitalism itself - unfeeling, efficient, inherently self-organizing - and, also, intensely at odds to anything that stands in its way, which in this respect is a community of people trying to work with each other to make their way in the wilderness.
I think its important to point out that markets can exist without capitalism. Capitalism is merely an ownership structure of commerce - a fiefdom of lords and ladies who preside over their economic territories, bending the less powerful to their will.
In the 1800's (such as Deadwood) that entailed threats, thievery, bribes, and murder (often using Pinkerton agents). Nowadays, that coercion is a lot less violent - and legal, since corporations can spend however much they want on writing laws. Funnily enough, they still use the Pinkertons (see the latest story on Amazon's union-busting tactics in Alabama).
Well put!
' he has no room for connections to other people - and he knows this, and wants to tear down the thing that reminds him of that fact.'' like Odell. Killing his 'Mammy's' son was less about the con[he lost nothing] but was a way to further alienate himself from the human feelings he expressed to Odell[tho I forget if at that point he had already decided to murder him, and was using him as a human tissue, to be thrown into the garbage after absorbing his tears].
Just like 'There Will Be Blood's' severing of ties with the foster son, the two men deliberately destroy their own humanity and feeble ties to same, and embrace solitude and monsterhood.
The difference is Hearst lies to himself that he is a pillar of civilization and even a martyr for it, while admitting he wants to destroy Deadwood as it stands and will kill whomever he chooses...never seeing the contradiction
Meanwhile, DDL's character admits he just hates people and feels the need to dominate others.
He's the more honest sadist, but that honesty makes him the less interesting character
There's even a parallel of emotional vulnerability followed by murder: Hearst and Odell, DDL's character and the preacher that made him 'confess his sin' [tho it was just faux 'I abandoned my son' angst, he still ends up killing the preacher]
Hearst as portrayed in Deadwood was more human, wanting to believe he's 'good' like most people, just doing what needs done, while the other guy is utterly inhuman.
This makes Hearst much more hateable and loathsome, because he is more relatable. We understand him. We understand that he uses hypocrisy and self-justification to murder good people. His main agent is an SK. He knows it, but only fires him when his woman-murdering might compromise him.
There Will Be Blood is a monster movie about an unsatisfiable dragon sitting on a pile of gold, its star a metaphor for greed and unbridled capitalism. He wanted a brother, connection, true, but when that was provided well, the need for dominance and power was insulted by his failure to detect the lie. So he killed a friend, after abandoning his son for no reason other than he no longer needed him as a theatre prop
So to me, that's the difference: Deadwood is a drama, There Will Be Blood is a monster movie
Beautifully put forward...no go seek the colour
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@Raylan Givens Who said anything about Marx? I certainly didnt. All the same, its extremely telling how quick to judgement your post is when all that was *actually* said was a mere critique of American capitalism. Which shouldn't be confused with an affirmation or proclamation for an alternative economic system.
But yes, to belabor my point 1 year later :) markets can exist without a capitalist structure. They can even exist within a socialist structure! Markets actually existed long before capitalism was even a thing, funnily enough.
If you want to run your mouth about shitheel posts, maybe educate yourself on economics (turns out, American capitalism isnt the only game in town). And, you know, maybe not be so typical with your stupid cowboy hat? I know "owning the libs" is all the rage on YT these days, but try to be a little more original.
He hath disgraced me, and hindered me half a million; laughed at my losses, mocked at my gains, scorned my nation, thwarted my bargains, cooled my friends, heated mine enemies; and what's his reason?
I'm glad other people see the beauty of this scene. I have it almost memorized and have delivered bits (not exactly verbatim just close enough that it sounds unusual) of it when talking/arguing about politics or whatever. in the video info there the line about, every defect in a man being overcome by our agreement gold/money has value, always makes people think. I usually think of this when people have a childish view of what money is and what it can do. I think of it also when people are being nice to people they hate for money or being mean to someone nice that has nothing.
I took this scene to be a demonstration of how compelling the bootstrapping lie is.
Hearst says all this while at the same time planning to murder Odell, practically his own family, and a few weeks later he does.
The point of this scene is to communicate that if we ever hear this line of bullshit, to know someone's coming for our throat.
Keep your hand on your gun.
Glorifying and valorizing the abdication of humanity in service of ego, extraction, and capital ... "these men are nihilists Donny". BTW, I'm not here to argue the academic or formal distinctions between the cultural and the ontological, the sense of this scene goes way beyond conceptual pissing contests.
It's just fantastic. This scene gives ME power to rise above. Just truly fantastic writing.
If you think Hearst is the kind of man to look up to, you missed the entire point of his character.
This is not merely an explanation of capitalism.
The question I have is. was Odell killed over his lame con Hearst easily deciphered, or was he killed because he broke down in front of Odell?
Likely the former. The latter may have been a bit over emphasized in order to help falsely assure Odell that he was not in any danger, so that Hearst could execute his plan later without causing suspicion from Odell or his mother.
Interesting
He's right, if you have wealth in this world (be it gold, cash, other forms of currency and valueables) you are everything in this world. Money can't buy happiness or love but it can just about buy every single other thing on this planet. 90-95% of the people in this world get up every day and go to work just to have a little bit of cash, just enough to get by and be able to live in society. They'll never know the kind of wealth Hearst is talking about. Sadly I don't think I ever will either lol.
The gap is growing. The west is allowing companies to monopolize without restrictions, and small business is dying off. The possibility of gaining riches are utterly low for common cilivians. What did people think work forces would be used for? Their own benefit?
Still not sure why he had Odell killed. To me it’s one of the shows mysteries. They found out he was a fraud?
I understand what you mean. after several rewatches and a lot of thinking I have settled on 2 possibilities. the first is that aunt lou's boy was killed without Hearst's involvement. he says in the show that a man with so many interests as his sometimes it amazes him that he's not blamed for the rising of the sun. and the other possibility is that he simply didn't like aunt lou having any other focus besides himself. aunt lou tells her boy to gtfo of deadwood as soon as she sees him. tells him don't let Mr. Hearst see you. he wasn't just some rich white man.
@@thedelta88 I think you’re theories are very good.
It definitely had to do with Hearst. But if your second theory is correct than Hearst is a sick man
Hearst is the dark side of capital
Hearst is right. In the world of humankind there is only one color that matters: Gold.
do you realize the character is the villain in deadwood?
And it was all a put on to kill O Dell
The Judge, The Devil. Pure Evil.
the golden rule explained perfectly
"He who has the gold makes the rules?"
@@gayrambo4529I guess jews are our rulers then.
Seize the means. Now!
the indians were the good guys
That your head in Al's box then?
If you say so
This is a good description of bitcoin.
This explains the pronounced flaws in capitalism.
*pronounced flaws that are fundamental within all of humanity. It is through common belief and interest that any given object has value within any functional society, especially when the object is dependant on a man's ambition (or desperation) to acquire it to rise above and out of their station of poverty.
Greed can run wild… greed will put man on his knees on the brink of destruction.
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