It's really rare for non American films to win an oscar. For example, Disney films every year get nominated, they're good, but studio ghibli and many others that are arguably better either don't win or get nominated in the first place.
@@faustinuskaryadi6610 But asians arent asian Americans, so for asians America to watch asians TV to want a asian American main role isnt possible.. We are full blooded Americans and deserve the same respect as white ppl in America. This is our country grown and raised. Why can't whites just watch TV in Europe than. Wait i forgot, majority of them can't speak French, German, nor Romanian. Same with asian Americans, just cuz they are asians doesnt mean they automatically know Japanese, Korean, Chinese. Asian Americans arent foreginers in their homeland America , for majority of asians American this is their home. Why would any of us need to watch asian TV if we arent asian and we want our asian American representation on TV?
Gavino Suarez Ever thought why a white man is filling the role for a Japanese character? How can you argue that it’s not racially motivated, when race is considered in the first place?
+Horace Galaxi it really doesn't matter that he was technically an alien, the movie basically stripped the original of any asian influence and basically made it into a generic disney movie where some high schooler gets super powers and has to save the world.
Flap Jackson That's the whole point of my comment, the problem isn't just him being white, its the whole story being white as if DBZ had sex with saved by the bell.
No, because that’s Asian cinema made in Asian countries for people that live there. There are no such things as “white” movies. Just movies in America. And there are ALL types of people in America
The problem is that there aren't enough Asian roles. And in those rare ones available, Asian actors still have to compete against their non-Asian counterparts to get them.
What makes it even worse is that no Japanese women were allowed to read for the part either, it was open only for white women, just like the hunger games.
Katniss lives in District 12, also known as the Appalachia region of West Virginia. If we assume that the ethnic demographics of the futuristic Appalachia reflect District 12 demographics, maybe we can guess at Katniss' racial background. According to the Census Board, White persons make up 93.9% of West Virginia (compared to the national 72..4%). So, the odds are pretty overwhelming that Katniss is a white person (of indeterminable origin). Still, she could be in the remaining 4.1%! (Note that people of African descent constitute 3% of that 4.1%.)[3] If we make the very shaky assumption that District 12's racial demographics mirror modern demographics, the odds weigh heavily on Katniss being of Caucasian origin. Of course, Caucasians can come from North Africa, Middle East and some parts of Asia as well as Europe. www.quora.com/Is-Katniss-Everdeen-a-woman-of-color (get sourced)
Asian actors, Black actors, Latino actors - They are just as equally talented as white actors. The industry does not care about that though, they just want big-name white actors to sell their movies. The only beef here is that minority actors are not given a fair shot or even considered when in comes to casting decisions. That's what needs to change. Hollywood says the public will not see a movie with a non white actor lead, and as a consumer, I feel that's a bunch of crap. Give us a good movie and I promise you the masses will see it, regardless.
+Chilpoctli Sometimes it goes the other way, though. Oscar Issac, who is Guatemalan, was cast as English King John in Ridley Scott's Robin Hood. Just saying
+Gumaro R. Villamil +Gumaro R. Villamil OK yes in that instance it did go the other way but if you think that makes it even, I'm sorry but no. Please find me another movie where that happens, and if you have to Google it then that only furthers my point. Look dude, I'm not here to argue the morality of yellow-face or white-face or whatever. I have my opinion, you have yours and I'm sure nothing we say to each other is gonna change that. I'm just stating a fact, that when it comes to Western main stream media, there's a disproportionate amount of minority actors to white. That's a fact. I bet most people would struggle to name 10 Asian actors, 15 Latino, or 20 Black but have no problem naming 50 white actors.
+Gumaro R. Villamil Oscar Issac is half Guatemalan, his father is Cuban. He's still Caucasian, Hispanic yes, but Hispanic isn't a race, it's an ethnicity and Oscar is fairly light skin man
To be fair, he has claimed in many interviews and stand ups on how proud he is to be part filipino. Comparison to him in Chuck and Larry isnt the best, but his portrayal in Big Daddy and 50 first dates is the closest to representing a filipino than any white actor.
Same with black women. For some reason people are fine with casting dark skinned black men but a dark skinned black woman with afro texture hair are never chosen. And if she is, she is put at the butt of numerous racist jokes.
+tigana - the one-drop fuckery is behind that though. If all it takes is one drop to make someone black, then all Hollywood has to do is cast the lightest most racially ambiguous person they can find, put them in the black-female character role and tick off the diversity quota because black people in America accept anything as black anyway.
Honestly, they're creating more problems for themselves and the future of Hollywood by not casting Asians. Hollywood could cast more big-name Asians actors for different movies, if they would just cast some Asians for big movie roles.
I agree! And nowadays the Asian film market is growing larger and larger, so there are plenty of actors to choose from. Not to mention the support that the film will gain if they cast an Asian actor for a great role!
Henrique Martins There was "labor reform" and "labor education", the labor reform is just like what i said, criminals will work while they are in the jail, they get commutation and wages, and the "labor education" is a bit different, it's actually not counted as going in to the jail, it's a lighter punishment than being jailed, designed for those who committed crime but not bad enough to going in to the jail, mostly teenagers, their labor job in the jail is just for correcting their bad attitudes, this kinds of detention (in China this is like going in to jail but not that bad) was canceled at 2013, so teenagers no longer going in to a children jail nowadays
sure, go ahead and cast ppl of other race for a role. But don't give them "asian" makeups or "asian heritage" in the movie! Is it that hard to understand?
@@007Fusiion No, I think what Kaitlyn meant was reconfigure the story to fit a a non-asian ( presumably American) character. So the character is no longer asian and their stories are remodeled and tweaked to fit their western persona... Now I agree it's not possible with every story being told in Hollywood, but the ones that are purely fiction can have this, like they did with Jessica Alba's ' the eye' sort of...
@@violettaschmieder2096 Asians are pretty public, I mean you can't really forget that they exist. Most directors are white and for some of them, it might be easier to write a white character (I actually do this when I roleplay in MMOs) because they're familiar. I think that there's a broad range of Asian talent and that it's actual yellowface when they aren't cast for Asian parts, but if the director's vision is somehow changed by the character being Asian then I think it is right to change the nationality of the character.
I feel like Cloud Atlas was justified because it's about the characters being reincarnated. Halle Berry becomes a white Jewish woman, Doona Bae becomes a Mexican lady, Hugh Grant is a Hawaiian cannibal from the future, etc. The make up was reasonably convincing.
I agree the whole point of Cloud Atalas os that was the souls of the individual characters re-incarnating along a specific time line and the best way to show that is by having the same people playing them
+Noah Vickers I feel iffy about the actors playing other races, it's just weird. I think it would have been great if the characters were played by other actors every time they reincarnate.
+Noah Vickers What about the several raunchy-type comedies whose characters weren't even meant to be taken seriously? Or the commercial with Ashton Kutcher which was similarly cast in a totally joking manner?
As an Asian person, I'd say living in Canada, there isn't much direct racism, although never seeing Asians in main roles kinda makes me feel like I'm not supposed to be a main character in the world. So thank you Vox for speaking up about this!
Tay Maree I think that in Canada or America in general, people are already more aware that there are many races and ethnicities who live there than in "Asia" (at least in S.Korea). There is also a big difference between S.K and Canada in terms of mixed populations, it's not really comparable
But it's not as bad as in the US... Canadian shows have more Asian characters in shows and movies. I agree leads aren't really given to Asians. But look at shows like Kim's Convenience, and Second Jen. I remember seeing Asian characters in Katts and Dog, and Danger Bay where they didn't play stereotypical characters.... They played marine biologist and a cop. These were old shows decades ago. In film, Double Happiness with Sandra Oh which basically launched her career into a Gray's Anatomy, Arli$$, etc. So I think Canada showed more Asian representation earlier than America who weren't portrayed as waiters, restaurant and laundromat owners, gang members or martial artists. The only American show that had a positive Asian actor was George Takei's character in Star Trek. Huge Chinese and Asian in news ie. Andrew Chang (CBC), Mutsumi Takehashi (CTV Montréal - she's been there for decades!), and I'm sure there's more whether it be on national or regional newscasts. Personally, I think Canada is more progressive than the US in many respects. Remember, we pride ourselves on multiculturalism. Even South Asians like Ian Hanomansing, Camille Ross, etc are main anchors and hosts.
Call me a special snowflake or a triggered liberal but this is true: Representation Matters. When I was little I rarely saw any asian characters in books or movies. (except for mulan) I started wishing In was white from the age of FOUR. i remember dressing up as a cinderella and wearing a yellow scarf on my head for “blonde” hair and wishing i could just disappear into that character. not because theatrical reasons (i have not acting talent whatsoever) but because i just wished I wasn’t chinese. i felt different, less valued, and less beautiful from everyone else. by the way, I am not exaggerating at all. as a child I always had a big imagination and in my daydreams i was always white. i never thought of it as a problem until many years later looking back. I hated being chinese almost up until middle school. yeah, the push of asian american representation seems so microscopic in the midst of things but this could make many little asian american kids happier and prouder of their beautiful ethnic background. at least it would’ve helped mini me. sorry for this little rant with horrible capitalization i just needed to get it off my chest:)
Gabby I feel you. Western movies and shows filled the television slots for my dad and mom when I was a kid, at the age of 3 or 4 I wondered why I wasn’t born in America. When the ABC comedy series Fresh Off The Boat came out, I was so happy to see an Asian American family acting just the same way as my family did, but on TV. Representation DOES matter.
Gabby Same. Being raised Asian-American is scary. I wasn't familiar with people or, famous celeberties "like me". I thought I was a outcast as a kid since when I pretended to be a superhero or a celeberity they would mock me with gibberish and stretch their eyes
Vi Le lmfao white people wont understand. They don’t feel like they don’t belong because of their race. I use to have such an inferiority complex because whenever Asians were on tv it was to mock them.
I mean some people can read it as a misspelling of grow up. In some Asian accents the R sound is replaced with an L and vice versa. So grow would turn into glow.
@I'm Jack's Nipples Except the white barely make a minor dent in the population, and I don't know which of these Asian made movies you talked about, but even back when Bruce Lee was alive and was treated poorly by Hollywood (ran by overwhelmingly, if not all white people) but even his Chinese made movies allowed white and black actors in it, at a time when racism and bigotry was prevalent in America. And almost always when Asian creates films and movies it's usually based around their cultures, and the people of said cultures.
It goes to show you that nonwhites still gotta fight for opportunity in this country. And when issues like this relating to minorities struggle, right wingers, including the same ethnic people in that group, tries to put it down claiming it's not a problem or the problem is too little to even thought about. But when white right wingers sees nonwhites playing a role in Hollywood movies all of a sudden it's a problem that's gotta be said.
and don't forget 2 things: -Michael Bay's Transformers is better than DB Evolution, so -All of you need to woke up & accept that Hollywood actually Support "Anime is Satan" movement
+Errold Tumaque I feel like, and I try to not bring emotions into this but they're kind of relevant, that people are getting upset with the fact that the 'reporting' leaves quite a bit to be desired. They're making the issue about race, thus, some feel that it implies racism towards whites because it actually is racist to tell a specific race 'hey, you can't do that because you're [specific race]'. That leads to the fighting in the comments etc etc. The real issue, in my opinion, is that not everything is being considered. By this I mean that Vox is postulating that race alone is the reason why an actor can not be cast as another race not their own, rather than something reasonable such as they have better skills or chemistry for the project they are working on. While they do have a point in the fact that there is some misrepresentation that is not what should be the main point, the idea that skills>race should be the main point. Sorry for rambling, it's a very complex subject and it takes a lot of thought to fully wrap one's head around it. tl;dr: Misrepresentation should be the main focus, not the race of the individual vs the race of another, i.e. making it about race usually leads to racism in itself.
If you were born in Japan, it means you lived your childhood in a homogenous society --- Asian people everywhere, representation 100%. To Asian-Americans who were born in the United States, though, this matters so, so much. They're rarely given a voice. Please view it from their perspective.
It's the whole "Asians are only foreigners" myth that gets projected in film and television that is very damaging imo. You are right too. There are many many Asian-Americans born and raised here. Yet people always treat them like they are foreigners from "somewhere else" and are viewed with disdain from the "locals" in some places. Sad :(
I was born and raised in nyc where there was a lot of diversity in cultures so I don’t fully understand. However, when I visited Oregon, there wasn’t a handful of Asian there so it felt like they treated us as foreigners
Vox has another video called "The myth of race, debunked in 3 minutes" claiming that "race isn't real." So, how can they make this video? Hypocrites! It's called acting. Get over it. There's plenty of white characters portrayed by non-white actors. It works both ways. And, according to your previous video, there's no way to prove that Emma Stone is not Asian. In Cloud Atlas, the movie mentioned in this video, Halle Barry plays a white woman in one of the sequences. The whole point of that movie was that you had a few actors each playing several different roles, many of different races, timelines, etc.
I mean, shouldn't happen none of them,I hope the spike Spiegel 's actor does a good job on the Netflix adaption of cowboy bebop,I hope it is even a good thing and not straight up garbage.
I don't think Cloud atlas could be used as an example in this context. After all the movie did blackface, yellowface and 'whiteface' and a male actor portraying a female character. the whole main cast had multiple roles. The whole point of the story was the continuum between all the characters. In all the other movies i find it actually disgusting how they whitewash many fictional characters and then cast white actors, as if it would somehow be a bad thing to be anything other than white...
True true but at least the other "faces" didn't look like aliens. When I was watching that movie, I didn't realize that they were human for a few minutes.
Well said. At first viewing I wondered if that particular timeline was a time when society considered looking "Korean" to be the desirable norm - even to the extent of having/being forced to have (shitty) plastic surgery. Like some kind of meta commentary. But that doesn't hold up with regards to the continuum-theory.
nutcracker when ppl think asia they think china and japan while the philippines gets constantly passed over- to american born filipinos (like me) they feel invisible and often feel distanced from their culture
nutcracker that’s perfectly valid, and that’s your own experience. but a lot of other filipino-americans (especially those who don’t live in an area with a lot of asian-americans like me) feel this way, which is why some get astonished when their own ethnicity is acknowledged
Why can't hollywood just accurately cast people? It's not that hard to get a Japanese actor who could do the role just as good as a white woman. It's like a pattern in behavior.
In Asia, we don't paint Asian white to play white character, we just hire one. Only one exception, when the character is Jesus, we hire Korean to play him.
That’s not true, in Japan whenever they adapt a movie from a novel or anime or there’s a comercial and the characters are western they still hire Asian actors and they even use white/black/latino stereotypes and racist jokes sometimes and I don’t see anyone giving a bat about that Not only japan but I’ve seen China and other Asian countries do this too
Did you all not watch Cloud Atlas or did you just not understand it? The same souls are being reincarnated in different genders and different races, any of the Korean parts who were not reincarnations of characters seen earlier would have gone to Koreans. Halle Berry, for example, was incarnated as a white person at one point. If anything that film played with and questioned the way Hollywood casts people. All that went right over your heads! I think the message that souls don't have a race was wonderful, and you had to spit on that! There was also the suggestion that souls did possibly have a gender, and with a transgender writer and director you can see how the theme would resonate and be taken seriously.
+Rachel Cho An example is an example; The fact that it's 1 in so many, doesn't change the fact that it's still a thing. Yellowface is only a small percentage of all movies, but that doesn't make it any less of an issue.
YaBoiMou Here's a little list you can go through that I posted in a comment. All of these western movies, plus a lot more have been remade in Asia with Asian casts. "The remains of the Day", "A Few Good Men", "Sideways", Breaking Away", "When Harry met Sally", "Entourage", "Only You", "Primal Fear", "I Know what you did last Summer", "West Side Story", "The Good Wife", "Philadelphia", "It happened one Night", "Cellular", "Unforgiven", "Ghost", "It", "On the Waterfront", "Le Diner De Cons", "Knight and Day", "Lost", "Gone Girl", "The Miracle Worker", "Cold Case", "Seven Brides for Seven Brothers", "Ugly Betty", "Overboard", "U-Turn", "Reservoir Dogs", "Mrs. Doubtfire", "The Godfather", "The Silence of the Lambs", "A Kiss before Dying", "Kramer Vs Kramer", "12 Angry Men", "Chinatown", "Cavité", "What women Want", "Blood Simple", "A Nightmare on Elm Street" etc etc etc. I was even made aware there is a Nigerian remake of Titanic out there somewhere...
I love that Hollywood pretends to be "diverse" and "inclusive" but when they do, it's just stereotypes, caricatures and black people. No offence to black people but blackwashing characters is not how one does diversity.
L should be the palest most disgusting human being who hasn't showered in months, since he's literally a walking brain, his body is just there. Black L looks ways to clean, you just don't get the sense that this guy literally spends all this time indoors infront of a pc.
kuro neko I’m okay with subtle representation but most representation in the media is “HEY IM BLACK what’s your name? My names black guy I’m black did you know I’m black it’s pretty hard to be black you know I know cause I’m black.”
And its not only in hollywood too, we were playing this play for a theatre and there was a Chinese actress better than ANYONE in there and yet she didn't get picked, but the ones who did were all white
RawVegan PeacefulGoddess they don't often look white though. Just because their features are not particularly Asian, doesn't mean they are white. Also many anime series are not set in Japan (FMA, attack on Titan etc.).
RawVegan PeacefulGoddess i don't think anybody will say that most anime characters are asian, the characters were made to be different from them, so it would not be normal and boring
it's actually honestly such a big issue, and so many people are not taking it as so. And it hurts; it's sad, and insulting to Not be considered as an equal to white and black races - to be unknowingly unfairly treated, and blamed when even such an idea of asian racism is suggested. Asian racism is honestly such a real thing - for the Indians, to the Chinese, to the Philippians, and to every other asian race there is. It may not be the things like lower wages or unfair law (actually, it could be as well), but it's certainly dehumanizing and hurtful to hear others using asian jokes without thinking twice about it. It is dehumanizing to hear whatever the next untrue stereotype is, and actually seeing people believe it. and what is worse is that a lot of people see it as a normal thing, asian racism; little people would think asian racism is a big deal. And what is such a big thing as well is that Asian slavery is not so much as even mentioned in most textbooks, and most people - including asian descendants themselves - do not even know about the slavery. The poverty in china the past few years is rarely talked about as well. I am certainly not lessening the concern of other racisms or problems of other races - every racism, and poverty, and prejudice and inequality are all just as terrible, and important and big of an issue. JUST to be clear, I am not complaining. I truly believe and want to see a world without inequality and prejudice in all its form, for all the races and genders, and sexualities. please just consider this.
Fanfiction Scrutinizer no, the whole comment was about equality for all. That's why they mentioned gender and sexuality. They were making a broad overview that this video covers, which is racism and inequality in general.
Brenda L you aren't viewed any different from the blacks. You guys understand us... we both been though things in the past. You guys know how it is. We're all the same bc we know how it is to be treated different just bc of the color of your skin
I don't think cloud atlas should be included. Both the Korean and black actors were put in whiteface for the movie. All the main actors went through race transformations.
Totally agree here. The who point of that story was to show the reincarnations of the same people in the differing roles, races, and stories. It was essential and integral to the story. No was was pretending to be any single race but more acting as a single multiracial entity. Boo, on you Vox. That movie was the exception and you know it.
As an Asian, I'm really happy that in recent years we've been getting more *ACTUAL* representation. In the last 3 years, we've seen 2 Asian-directed films win Best Picture, a Marvel movie with an Asian MC, the first Asian to win Best Actress and the explosive popularity of Kpop. I'm glad that we can build a name for ourselves without having other races interfere and misrepresent us.
Cloud Atlas is not a good example, it was the point of the movie. All of the cast played different characters of different ethnicity, gender in different timeline. The korean girl seen in the scene with him had also played the role of a rich white woman a spanish lady. It's not a fair example
Mindy Park (The Martian) doesn't make much sense either. I believe Park is a common Korean name but no description of race is ever given with the character in the book. Funnily the explicit racial change they did make was Venket Kupur. He was an older Indian man and they replaced him with a younger black actor. I wonder why that wasn't mentioned.
This is a great video, with an important point. One small thing however - Tilda Swinton is not playing a Tibetan character. The production company couldn't sell the movie in China with a Tibetan character, so they changed the character to be Celtic. Tilda Swinton got cast to play a Celtic character. The film was hence sold in China.
@@w2385-i2s - you can’t have any characters that would seem as pro Tibet. Hence making a Tibetan character now white. The Chinese government would ban the whole film and probably subsequent films and even alot of Disney projects in their market. So oddly enough movie studios make choices that impact source material in order to be able to make a profit overseas. Take a look at Taskmaster in black widow, They had to change the costume because anything resembling a skull couldn’t be allowed in Chinese movie screens.
@@spidermancares why white? there are other Asian characters living with the Ancient One in Tibet. Did China complain about the Asian characters? It's Hollywood White washing. Hollywood could have use the other Asian actors in the movie as the Ancient One.
DigitalYojimbo All I know is that an Asian guy is never the hero in Hollywood. Big historical action adventure move set in ancient China? Write it for a white guy to save the day.
+Gmork Have you seen Cloud Atlas? one of its underlying themes was a criticism of racism, and you could argue it criticized yellowface and blackface. Halle Berry played a white woman in it, for example. This video was a very superficial review of a very serious problem that people take seriously. When people just vomit up a poorly researched video like this with such flippancy they discourage people from taking the point seriously! On the other hand, I'd say any of the down voters who didn't down vote it for being so shallow are probably just racists who think it's okay that most hollywood movies only have white actors and that of the top 15 cast there are never more than 3 women.
And until now most of western are people often mistaken about Asian and tend to generalize them, like for example in Anaconda that took place in Borneo, Indonesia, there's an Indonesian character called Tran (that name doesn't exist in Indonesia, it's Vietnamese name) and played by American Korean actor, it's a kind of generalization of Asian, but fortunately he pronounced some Indonesian words well.
Omg I'm laughing at this irony 😂 they think black people in hollywood had it worst. oh no they don't. They forgot that diversity is also including asian people.
Generalizations are terrible but I don' t think characters need to be played by the nationality they're supposed to be if someone from a different nationality can give a better perfomance. There are French actors that played American characters or Americans that play British characters.
@@TimLimDimSims Filipinos, Indonesians, Malaysians, and basically Southeast Asia belong in a group called Malay. Yes, we kind of differ from Northeast Asians thats because we mixed with other indegenous groups in our areas.
This is so angering. Hollywood was built to essentially be white people congratulating other white people on their talents to be watched by other white people. They were even going to try and whitewash a live-action version of Mulan but everyone was pissed. Me included. The whole movie is based on Chinese culture and a sense of duty and honour prevalent in Asian households so whitewashing that would be distracting, confusing and extremely distasteful in the kindest words. I didn’t even bother watching the movie with Emma Stone cause I realised this was the biggest bull, as if they don’t have any other roles to take?? Seriously?? Take someone else’s idea and don’t even stay true to the character and their identity!
The creator of ghost in the shell approved it. m.ign.com/articles/2017/03/21/original-ghost-in-the-shell-director-mamoru-oshii-has-no-problem-with-live-action-remake
I highly doubt Hollywood is built around racist white people. You making all of these accusations are a little hypocritical, don't you think? You're saying Hollywood is white people congratulating white people and being watched by white people. Pretty racist to me if I'm going to be honest. If you haven't noticed, there is a lot more diversity in actors nowadays in terms of gender, sexual orientation and race than there was in previous decades. We're making progress, but I don't think you understand how talent works. There are talented people of colour in the film industry and a lot of them are absolutely fantastic to watch, but they're talented. We can't have this equal diversity of people in a certain industry if there isn't an equal distribution of talent, you feel me? It's progressing, but currently it's just not the case lmao. About the whitewashing, I don't overly mind or find it too offensive unless it's too overboard like Ashton Kutcher was. It's not the fault of film companies to want to make money from their films and the best way they'll do that is to put a common famous celebrity in their film. They could hire an appropriate cast for each role according to their race in the film, but why does it matter so much? I mean it's obviously not to make fun of that race or discriminate against the race otherwise they wouldn't be making a serious film with a character of colour. It doesn't make sense to me why that might be offensive at all.
invalid example: cloud atlas keeps the actors between reincarnation through history. in the previous reincarnation the asian woman of the couple was wearing white face. the plot would have been much more confusing if it wasnt for the yellow face and the white face, as the recognizable character faces allow us to match who is the reincarnation of what.
Totally agree, cloud atlas couldn’t just have casted an actual Asian to play those roles. It had to be the same actors. They also casted Doona Bae for a major role and not a white actor
Jason React have you seen the film, it's about the clash of cultures and how they learn to coexist, the film wouldn't make sense if tom cruise's role was someone who was already from Japan.
I've seen it more than once in the past, and the title illustrated itself that it was last about the Last Samurais, that alone could have been a good reason for Hollywood depict the war between Samurais and their emperor till the end. But did they? no, and why would they? Hollywood has their own track record of poorly portraying Asians in their movies, and given Asian roles to white actors especially when it's based on real life stories. And the clash of cultures you speak of was Hollywood excuse of adding in someone white. I like Tom Cruise, but they could have given him the supportive role.
Jason React it's about alot more than just a war between samurai, it's how there was a clash of cultures and how Japan was becoming more westernised and the repercussions of that, one side of that being the fall of the samurai feudal system. While the film isnt historically accurate it is however based loosely on true events and people. I can't remember exactly but I do know Tom cruise's character is based on a French captain who actually fought alongside the samurai in the Meiji rebellion. The thing is at the end of the day this film is made for a western audience as entertainment. People want to be able to relate to the main characters so out of all the characters in this film to portray the main protagonist why not the westerner. If anything to be more historically accurate tom cruises role should have been that of a French captain, not an American one and the role played by a French actor you could say but then again who would an American in general want to be their avatar into this world of fantasy. When it comes to the last samurai people clutch at straws to say it's white washing. If you want to see hollywood white washing look up the 'asian' land lord in Breakfast at Tiffany's.
ikr? meanwhile if that mindset was shared in the academic world, affirmative action wouldn't exist. "the best actors get the job, race shouldn't matter" VS "it doesn't matter how good of a student you are, as long as your race meets the school quota, you'll be accepted". smh.
No the smiley face said you're salty, your opinion means nothing apparently. They should remove all acting colleges/classes and just hire random ethnic group people because that is a far superior system. Lol imagine going to the movies watching terrible actors all hazily thrown together based on their ethnic backgrounds, you'd probably think you were watching a home movie or some RUclips footage because of the poor acting, hey if your a minority race like me we could be a in a movie together acting terribly!
Im mongolian and when i found out Genghis Khan was cast as a non asian man i was not surprised and i was like 9 when i found out because hollywood always does this
Avatar: The Last Airbender the movie was an abomination and an utter disappointment, and it's not just due to the bizzare yellowface/brownface (of every main character! An Indian guy played Zuko???)
I understood the fire nation to be Japanese. earth nation yo be China. water nation to be inuit and the air nomads to be Tibetan. if you wanted to be very percise about racial consistant.
+gustavo pena +Skinnymarks I agree with Skinnymarks, however, East Asian looking actors would've made it a bit better for the nations other than the Water tribe and "doing justice" do the original series. I feel like it's Japanese in the sense of their names, Zuko, Azula, Lord Ozai, which sounds Japanese and other elements that I don't have the time to explain now.
Michail Highland hmmm... Ill just state what's going through my head There are three cultural references in the fire nation Pre Colombian Mexican Indian And Japanese Thoughts?
gustavo pena because the fire nation is a chain of islands next to the earth nation. Much like Japan is next to China. Also there is a lot of Japanese cultural immagery in the fire nation. Earth nation has a lot of China cultural immagery Water nation Inuit. And air nomads have a bit of a mix of Indian and Tibetan cultural immagery. Though to be fair Tibet and India did influance eachother religious and cultural features quite a bit.
Cloud Atlas is a poor example. One of the purposes of using the same actors throughout the film was to provide story line continuity, not because they didn't want to hire other actors. It's a movie that hasn't engaged in whitewashing. Not sure why it was brought up; you had hundreds of other examples at your disposable.
Agreed, its similar to just looking at the trailer of the movie without having actually watched it. The Great Wall with Matt Damon is also quite controversial too but actually I believe the Chinese funded it to promote Chinese culture and used Matt Damon because he was a big name and could bring in sales. In a sense, Matt Damon is used as a trojan horse against American audiences because Hollywood felt it wouldn't be enough to have only Chinese actors in the film. That being said, I still agree with the majority of the video
It is and it isn't. It's just a weird example. The sound design behind Hugo Weaving messing with Tom Hanks as the devil was extremely good. Everything else was just weird.
You have to admit, though, when you see those white actors in that alien-ish makeup that's supposed to make them look Asian, it's startling and more than a little grotesque. I can easily see why people would find it offputting or offensive.
nobody knows another term for yellowface. its a widespread term many people know so that's what they used. the term itself is problematic in my opinion because it should be separated from blackface because they're different issues but also it only considers pale east asians but should really include south asians, south west asians, etc b/c they're brown they don't have yellow undertones
Well, i mean its animation, alot of anime characters dont look particularly 1 race over another..... still doesnt mean that kusanagi couldnt have been asian....
@@MrEvldreamr The original director of the anime, Mamoru Oshii defended the casting of Scarlet many times. Saying that it is not a case of whitewashing since they are a cyborg, not to mention what I have mentioned before, they never imagined the character as specifically Asian.
RecoveringChristian that’s what I think too. And she’s a cyborg, not in her real body. Who knows what happens to her real one right? That’s what I think.
***** ...the hell? Perhaps I should explain it again. The whole point of the movie is that the same heroic qualities and ideals can appear in very different people from very different generations and cultures. That's why the same few actors play all these characters: despite appearing to be a different race on the outside they're all really the same on the inside. White actors play Asian characters, Asian actors play white characters, similar situation for black actors, and a man even plays a woman at one point. It's not racist. It's probably about the farthest you could possibly be from being racist, it's almost a deconstruction of the very concept of race.
Excuse me, Cloud Atlas has all the reasons for the actors to play an "asian role" EXACTLY because of the reincarnation, as all the actors throughout the movie play so many characters. Just like what you are claiming, you could say it's whitewashing when Doona Bae plays a white woman in one of the arcs. I don't disagree with the point of the video, just think this example was a very badly chosen one.
Representation does matter. I remember when I was little, I was surrounded with all these movies with no asian representation at all. I started wishing to be someone else, a different race. Now that I’m older, I’ve started to love myself because of kpop ngl. It made me love myself for myself.
I literally feel like crying just looking at all these examples of Asians being dismissed and pushed aside, even for a role of an Asian character. People may think it's a non-issue, but this hurts me on such a personal level. It's telling me that "people like me" aren't even good enough to play ourselves. It breaks my heart...
CLOUD ATLAS is such a maligned movie. It should not be taken at... Literally face value. You have to watch the movie to understand the underlying tone and message. Also, to understand why a character is depicted in different races makeup meant to illustrate reincarnation and karma.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't ghost in the shell not whitewashed? I thought that the point was that the "shell" was mass produced. And the race and identity change really gave major a disconnect. (I'm not very familiar with the anime, this is just a question)
I don't see it as whitewashed. Her soul/ghost is Japanese. + look at the rest of the cast, they could have easily filled the roles with white actors, they didn't.
ThatOneAsianBroChick So people can only be put in bodies identical to their original body? Seems to undermine the whole point. Anyway, no one’s soul was put anywhere - it’s a movie. If you object to what characters in the movie did take it up with them. But I’ve seen movie characters do worse things than put the wrong person in the wrong race’s body.
The movie is like taking the anime script to shredding machine, taking five pieces and making up all the rest. The only connection are visuals and the movie script is a terrible mess.
The irony of people who attack pieces like this for being "SJW" or "PC" is that they are clearly threatened by the opinion presented, yet criticize those making the argument as "oversensitive." Yet cast one or even "gasp" TWO Star Wars movies in a row with female and minority leads and those people immediately start complaining in the comment sections that it's the result of liberal SJW control of the film industry.
+Neal X I don't think it's as cut and dry as that. I think ordinary people who don't think about this stuff all day long have a hard time distinguishing between a good, relevant piece like this and hack opinion pieces. For example, the other day Vox posted a criticism of Kimmy Schmidt for Titus's yellow face play. It was a grossly unfair hot take that deliberately ignored the context of what Kimmy Schmidt is as a show and the style of commentary it does. There is a legitimate feeling that some elements of the media are using throaty opinion pieces to silence reasonable disagreements. Disagreements that aren't racist but maybe do want some objectivity in editorials. Often the motivations of new media companies like Vox, Buzzfeed, Mic, etc. aren't based in actually solving racial inequality, they're focused on stoking certain uncomfortable cultural differences to drive clicks. So my point is that there will of course be outrageously bigoted responses to a piece like this but they're not always based in pure racial hatred like it appears at first. And the more moderate disagreeable responses certainly aren't. Often it is just ordinary people who incorrectly judge this to be just another example of that editorial overreach. The culture of some of these companies (liberal and conservative) are often so uniform that a reasonable amount of debate doesn't happen at an editorial level. Often there is one opinion that is never challenged, and because these new media companies are overtaking old media like the NY Times, Washington Post, etc. as our main sources of news, a lot of normally moderate people get quite angry about the lack of balance and have reasonable fears about our right to disagree without being attacked. Balance doesn't necessarily mean letting Rush Limbaugh write a guest post, but it might mean keeping someone on staff who at least values the moderate opinion. I really think we as a culture have to stop labelling our opponents as outrightly bad just because they disagree with us. Their motivations aren't always what they first appear.
@Steffen Bodar in the current definition it is rascist. But if white people can only play white,asians play asians and so on, you're being racist twice: first you look at the race of the character and then you have to find an actor with the "right" race for the role which is racist.
Agree with everything except the Clout Atlas comment. That wasn't necessarily "yellow face." The story wasn't attempting to make Hugo Weaving an asian caricature or "white wash" that character. It was based on the premise that our soul moves from one body to another, and we are reincarnated again and again as different people, races, in different times and places.
+Chris M I know. I also felt like the Cloud Atlas comment was uncalled for.Plus the Asian actress was in "white face", if thats a thing, at the end of the movie how come that wasn't a problem? The premise of the movie was so that all the actors play their various reincarnation forms. I agree with everything else tho.
I think we gotta cut Cloud Atlas some slack though, that story was related to reincarnation and most of the cast had different versions of themselves from different times, but with a similar look.
Agree fully. CLOUD ATLAS is such a maligned movie. It should not be taken at... Literally face value. You have to watch the movie to understand the underlying tone and message. Also, to understand why a character is depicted in different races makeup meant to illustrate reincarnation and karma.
That's ok, but realize that these kind of characters are sometimes the only Indians people see in their life (especially in childhood, when many prejudices are formed).
What's worse: having non-Asians play Asian roles or having Asians in your film but doing very stereotypical/cringey roles? I really don't know.
Honestly, the first one is better
As an Asian I would say the first one is better
A non-Asian play Asian role, while doing stereotypical/cringed roles......(my opinion tho)
I think the second one is worse.
They both bad 😭
And don’t get me started with the “Indian” actors...
Eperox skskskdjk ik their accents had me rolling ☠️🤣
What’s wrong with them?!
@@sweetea777 I am pretty sure Spill that Tea meant their comment in a way like this, "What's wrong with them, how could they do that?!"
Lukas Sprehn OHHHH
ik omfg
Flash forward to 2020 “Parasite” has became the first non English movie to win an Oscar 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼.
Vanessa Oscar for best picture*. There’s a category for foreign films, was just the first one to win best picture.
It's really rare for non American films to win an oscar. For example, Disney films every year get nominated, they're good, but studio ghibli and many others that are arguably better either don't win or get nominated in the first place.
@@zacheryjequinto7259 And also Disney has monopolized pretty much everything... SMH😒
Wrote the history.
Parasite isn't a Hollywood movie though. Hollywood still has a long way to go.
asians playing main characters are nowhere to be found but when hollywood needs people as market sellers or terrorists they got so many of them smh
That's why Asian in Asia watch Asian movie if they wanted Asian as main Character.
@@faustinuskaryadi6610 But asians arent asian Americans, so for asians America to watch asians TV to want a asian American main role isnt possible.. We are full blooded Americans and deserve the same respect as white ppl in America. This is our country grown and raised. Why can't whites just watch TV in Europe than. Wait i forgot, majority of them can't speak French, German, nor Romanian. Same with asian Americans, just cuz they are asians doesnt mean they automatically know Japanese, Korean, Chinese. Asian Americans arent foreginers in their homeland America , for majority of asians American this is their home. Why would any of us need to watch asian TV if we arent asian and we want our asian American representation on TV?
@@chesssenuggets3940 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 Preach
@@chesssenuggets3940 LET EM KNOW.
@@chesssenuggets3940 Hey, at least your people get portrayed as smart and a 'model minority'.
*we don’t talk about the Dragon Ball movie. That- that scarred me.*
For life.
the movie is just bad in general
I was a very confused child after that movie
That’s a thing?!?
@@marcusi.7740 YEAH, whiteys fault.
And an Asian guy being rejected to play an Asian character in Netflix’s life adaptation of the anime Death Note.
...dodged a bullet, it was a poorly done adaptation 😂
Ever thought of the possibility that maybe he was just untalented at acting as to why he was rejected? Not everything is about race
Gavino Suarez Ever thought why a white man is filling the role for a Japanese character? How can you argue that it’s not racially motivated, when race is considered in the first place?
@@gavinosuarez7398 ok Gavino Suarez...you are right nothing is about race and there is no racism and you don't have a hispanic name. ok. got it.
That's nightmare
still mad about Goku in Dragonball evolution
Actully he isn't Asian or white. He's most likely Asian but since he's an alien he should look different than all races
+Horace Galaxi it really doesn't matter that he was technically an alien, the movie basically stripped the original of any asian influence and basically made it into a generic disney movie where some high schooler gets super powers and has to save the world.
+Beyondfate132 Honestly, that movie would have sucked no matter who played Goku or the color of his skin.
Flap Jackson That's the whole point of my comment, the problem isn't just him being white, its the whole story being white as if DBZ had sex with saved by the bell.
Beyondfate132 Yeah I was agreeing with you, while adding my 2 cents
1:25 i'm not asian but i'm offended as a member of the human race
THanK yoU everyone should have this decency
1:28 literally my reaction when that white guy played as asian
I'm sorry I found it funny 😂😂😂
I don't wear makeup, but even III can draw brows better than that
Bravo make up artists. Really got me. Sonmi too?
Asia is not only consists of Japan, Korea, and China
They did mention India
They literally mentioned koreans, chinese, japanese, Tibetans, Filipinos, and Indians
I know riigggghhhtttt??!?!
They mentioned other nationalities, stupid.
Hanza Bachtiar did u watch the video dumbass?
Dear Hollywood,
Asians exist. Cast them.
Thank You, Everyone.
No, because that’s Asian cinema made in Asian countries for people that live there. There are no such things as “white” movies. Just movies in America. And there are ALL types of people in America
@@MAXIMUS-yk5vs there are also all types of people in Asia you dumb moron, 1% of Hong Kong is white, 2% of America is East Asian.
I believe yes they should but ghost in the shell was ok in terms of casting...
The problem is that there aren't enough Asian roles. And in those rare ones available, Asian actors still have to compete against their non-Asian counterparts to get them.
megin na people who are Born outside of Asia are not Asian.
AND NOW WE HAVE CRAZY RICH ASIANS TO BRING US ASIANS JUSTICE!
Yasssssssssss
Addie Mei YES
Never forget that they wanted to whitewash crazy rich asians but Kwan was having none of that
samminos Yah and so are Japanese people and Koreans but we weren’t in crazy rich Asians. I’m pretty sure it was all Singaporean
@@sheppin_ lmak not even. Just check the wikipedia of the casts.
the fact people think asian = having monolids scares me
Thank the Mongolians for that
I have double eyelids, but if I look up, I have monolids...
yeah! i’m asian and i have double lids, and so does my mom
Yeah they are many east Asians with double lids, they just use this stereotypical depiction of east Asians😐
anxious starstuff same here
What makes it even worse is that no Japanese women were allowed to read for the part either, it was open only for white women, just like the hunger games.
Hunger games was set in post apocalyptic america dude. So you can kinda get the idea for that specific role call.
Callan Attwood
so all people of color just died?
Clarify for me, if you will, what Asian characters in the Hunger games novels was snubbed for a whitey.
Callan Attwood
none that I can recall but Katniss was supposed to be brown and they made her white.
Katniss lives in District 12, also known as the Appalachia region of West Virginia. If we assume that the ethnic demographics of the futuristic Appalachia reflect District 12 demographics, maybe we can guess at Katniss' racial background.
According to the Census Board, White persons make up 93.9% of West Virginia (compared to the national 72..4%). So, the odds are pretty overwhelming that Katniss is a white person (of indeterminable origin). Still, she could be in the remaining 4.1%! (Note that people of African descent constitute 3% of that 4.1%.)[3]
If we make the very shaky assumption that District 12's racial demographics mirror modern demographics, the odds weigh heavily on Katniss being of Caucasian origin. Of course, Caucasians can come from North Africa, Middle East and some parts of Asia as well as Europe.
www.quora.com/Is-Katniss-Everdeen-a-woman-of-color
(get sourced)
Y'all really couldn't find a mixed Asian/Hawaiian? REALLY? LMFAO
jogatu they could; they just don’t want to
They didn’t even have to look for that specific mix. Just someone that looks like it 💀
There are plenty of them IN Hawaii for God's sake!
RIGHT??? Like in 50 first dates. When Rob Schneider played a native hawaiian.
Logic.
Asian actors, Black actors, Latino actors - They are just as equally talented as white actors. The industry does not care about that though, they just want big-name white actors to sell their movies.
The only beef here is that minority actors are not given a fair shot or even considered when in comes to casting decisions. That's what needs to change. Hollywood says the public will not see a movie with a non white actor lead, and as a consumer, I feel that's a bunch of crap. Give us a good movie and I promise you the masses will see it, regardless.
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+Chilpoctli You what? TELL ME!! :D
+Chilpoctli Sometimes it goes the other way, though. Oscar Issac, who is Guatemalan, was cast as English King John in Ridley Scott's Robin Hood. Just saying
+Gumaro R. Villamil +Gumaro R. Villamil OK yes in that instance it did go the other way but if you think that makes it even, I'm sorry but no. Please find me another movie where that happens, and if you have to Google it then that only furthers my point. Look dude, I'm not here to argue the morality of yellow-face or white-face or whatever. I have my opinion, you have yours and I'm sure nothing we say to each other is gonna change that. I'm just stating a fact, that when it comes to Western main stream media, there's a disproportionate amount of minority actors to white. That's a fact. I bet most people would struggle to name 10 Asian actors, 15 Latino, or 20 Black but have no problem naming 50 white actors.
+Gumaro R. Villamil Oscar Issac is half Guatemalan, his father is Cuban. He's still Caucasian, Hispanic yes, but Hispanic isn't a race, it's an ethnicity and Oscar is fairly light skin man
Reincarnated as Korean is... Wow
@Afifa Mostafa
Seriously tho. He's everywhere.
Are there atleast 20 people with the same RUclips account (Ray Mak)?😂
Why do I see you EVERYWHERE! Who are you 👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀
Hi
Bro you’re everywhere
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"(Rob) Schneider is a quarter Filipino so... progress?"
I kinda feel bad for laughing hysterically at that line.
Don't worry, we all did
how asian is enough asian to play an asian
Tbh quarter Filipino
Is not considered as part filipino
Bc ur only quarter of it ;;
Yeah they got the appearance
But it's minimally seen or noticed
i don't. it was funny. ah, so ! vellly velly funny !
To be fair, he has claimed in many interviews and stand ups on how proud he is to be part filipino. Comparison to him in Chuck and Larry isnt the best, but his portrayal in Big Daddy and 50 first dates is the closest to representing a filipino than any white actor.
every time they make a middle east they pick the most light skin person they can find
Revok Sixth And then when they use Indian actors it's to play an originally Chinese culture
Same with black women. For some reason people are fine with casting dark skinned black men but a dark skinned black woman with afro texture hair are never chosen. And if she is, she is put at the butt of numerous racist jokes.
+tigana yes. exactly
+tigana - the one-drop fuckery is behind that though. If all it takes is one drop to make someone black, then all Hollywood has to do is cast the lightest most racially ambiguous person they can find, put them in the black-female character role and tick off the diversity quota because black people in America accept anything as black anyway.
Revok Sixth Unless that character is supposed to be a "terrorist", then they find the darkest dude with the biggest beard.
Honestly, they're creating more problems for themselves and the future of Hollywood by not casting Asians. Hollywood could cast more big-name Asians actors for different movies, if they would just cast some Asians for big movie roles.
Yoyo handsome Big wow here it is again
How about Seohyun oder Sooyoung? They are good actors. :x just an idea.
Gale K I agree, as an Asian American I have my own film studio!!! Hollywood you're making a HUGE MISTAKE!!! Pulp, Fictional times...
I agree! And nowadays the Asian film market is growing larger and larger, so there are plenty of actors to choose from. Not to mention the support that the film will gain if they cast an Asian actor for a great role!
*There is no Avatar the Last Airbender movie in Ba Sing Se*
Here we are safe
_Here we are free_
There is no war in Ba Sing Se
Hi I'm Ju-dee
Sadly this movie has spread across earth, it exists every where, even political censored countries 😢
@@quanyuan6760I hoped I wouldn't have to use this...
*The Earth King invites you to Lake Laogai.*
Henrique Martins There was "labor reform" and "labor education", the labor reform is just like what i said, criminals will work while they are in the jail, they get commutation and wages, and the "labor education" is a bit different, it's actually not counted as going in to the jail, it's a lighter punishment than being jailed, designed for those who committed crime but not bad enough to going in to the jail, mostly teenagers, their labor job in the jail is just for correcting their bad attitudes, this kinds of detention (in China this is like going in to jail but not that bad) was canceled at 2013, so teenagers no longer going in to a children jail nowadays
last airbender movie was just trash but the animated series was my favourite
+taegan:
Too me? The whole thing was a delete scene!
The animated series is legendary
sure, go ahead and cast ppl of other race for a role. But don't give them "asian" makeups or "asian heritage" in the movie! Is it that hard to understand?
Kaitlyn Song So they are Asian but don’t look Asian ? That doesn’t work either
@@007Fusiion No, I think what Kaitlyn meant was reconfigure the story to fit a a non-asian ( presumably American) character. So the character is no longer asian and their stories are remodeled and tweaked to fit their western persona... Now I agree it's not possible with every story being told in Hollywood, but the ones that are purely fiction can have this, like they did with Jessica Alba's ' the eye' sort of...
@@mdCreationz But wouldnt that also just erase asian people further from the public eye?
@@violettaschmieder2096 Asians are pretty public, I mean you can't really forget that they exist. Most directors are white and for some of them, it might be easier to write a white character (I actually do this when I roleplay in MMOs) because they're familiar. I think that there's a broad range of Asian talent and that it's actual yellowface when they aren't cast for Asian parts, but if the director's vision is somehow changed by the character being Asian then I think it is right to change the nationality of the character.
Kaitlyn Song we all remember what happened when they tried that in DeathNote...Never again
I feel like Cloud Atlas was justified because it's about the characters being reincarnated. Halle Berry becomes a white Jewish woman, Doona Bae becomes a Mexican lady, Hugh Grant is a Hawaiian cannibal from the future, etc. The make up was reasonably convincing.
+Noah Vickers Story-wise, it makes sense, but the make up was HORRIBLE
I agree the whole point of Cloud Atalas os that was the souls of the individual characters re-incarnating along a specific time line and the best way to show that is by having the same people playing them
+Noah Vickers I feel iffy about the actors playing other races, it's just weird. I think it would have been great if the characters were played by other actors every time they reincarnate.
+Nanny G ._.
+Noah Vickers What about the several raunchy-type comedies whose characters weren't even meant to be taken seriously? Or the commercial with Ashton Kutcher which was similarly cast in a totally joking manner?
Okay but... Her name is *Anna May* Wong...
*Anime* Wong
I thought it was a joke or something 😂😂
heckin weeb
I used to think that "anime" is pronounce "ae-nahym"
Anime wrong
Rule 34 artists: WRITE THAT DOWN!!!
As an Asian person, I'd say living in Canada, there isn't much direct racism, although never seeing Asians in main roles kinda makes me feel like I'm not supposed to be a main character in the world.
So thank you Vox for speaking up about this!
You clearly don't even understand his comment smh.
Tay Maree I think that in Canada or America in general, people are already more aware that there are many races and ethnicities who live there than in "Asia" (at least in S.Korea). There is also a big difference between S.K and Canada in terms of mixed populations, it's not really comparable
But it's not as bad as in the US... Canadian shows have more Asian characters in shows and movies. I agree leads aren't really given to Asians. But look at shows like Kim's Convenience, and Second Jen. I remember seeing Asian characters in Katts and Dog, and Danger Bay where they didn't play stereotypical characters.... They played marine biologist and a cop. These were old shows decades ago. In film, Double Happiness with Sandra Oh which basically launched her career into a Gray's Anatomy, Arli$$, etc. So I think Canada showed more Asian representation earlier than America who weren't portrayed as waiters, restaurant and laundromat owners, gang members or martial artists. The only American show that had a positive Asian actor was George Takei's character in Star Trek. Huge Chinese and Asian in news ie. Andrew Chang (CBC), Mutsumi Takehashi (CTV Montréal - she's been there for decades!), and I'm sure there's more whether it be on national or regional newscasts. Personally, I think Canada is more progressive than the US in many respects. Remember, we pride ourselves on multiculturalism. Even South Asians like Ian Hanomansing, Camille Ross, etc are main anchors and hosts.
Tay Maree are you..... are you brain dead?
Tay Maree if it’s an ASIAN role, it should be played by an ASIAN actor. there is no need for a white person to play an Asian? it’s pretty offensive...
Call me a special snowflake or a triggered liberal but this is true: Representation Matters. When I was little I rarely saw any asian characters in books or movies. (except for mulan) I started wishing In was white from the age of FOUR. i remember dressing up as a cinderella and wearing a yellow scarf on my head for “blonde” hair and wishing i could just disappear into that character. not because theatrical reasons (i have not acting talent whatsoever) but because i just wished I wasn’t chinese. i felt different, less valued, and less beautiful from everyone else. by the way, I am not exaggerating at all. as a child I always had a big imagination and in my daydreams i was always white. i never thought of it as a problem until many years later looking back. I hated being chinese almost up until middle school. yeah, the push of asian american representation seems so microscopic in the midst of things but this could make many little asian american kids happier and prouder of their beautiful ethnic background. at least it would’ve helped mini me. sorry for this little rant with horrible capitalization i just needed to get it off my chest:)
Gabby I feel you. Western movies and shows filled the television slots for my dad and mom when I was a kid, at the age of 3 or 4 I wondered why I wasn’t born in America. When the ABC comedy series Fresh Off The Boat came out, I was so happy to see an Asian American family acting just the same way as my family did, but on TV. Representation DOES matter.
Zhi Hzccz this country is like 50% white, it’s not a white country either. You can’t just ignore the way the other 50% grows up
Gabby
Same. Being raised Asian-American is scary. I wasn't familiar with people or, famous celeberties "like me". I thought I was a outcast as a kid since when I pretended to be a superhero or a celeberity they would mock me with gibberish and stretch their eyes
Vi Le lmfao white people wont understand. They don’t feel like they don’t belong because of their race. I use to have such an inferiority complex because whenever Asians were on tv it was to mock them.
That's such a mean gesture to do to someone! I feel so sorry for you. Nobody deserves to be mocked that way.
1:08 she kinda looks like lord farquaad
weiwei and Edna😂
She's from that movie she devil it's great movie should totally check it out :)
boo hollywood....cmon now time to glow up
Underrated comment.
'glow' is actually kinda racist... am I too sensitive? Probably so.
I mean some people can read it as a misspelling of grow up. In some Asian accents the R sound is replaced with an L and vice versa. So grow would turn into glow.
@@mikezhao8544 'sensitive' ? Yeah ir racist
It's like that, weird
Proof that progress is very very very very slow.
What progress ?
nong Sick What You on fool??!!!
NoobKiller Roof Progress= White Jealousy
@I'm Jack's Nipples
Except the white barely make a minor dent in the population, and I don't know which of these Asian made movies you talked about, but even back when Bruce Lee was alive and was treated poorly by Hollywood (ran by overwhelmingly, if not all white people) but even his Chinese made movies allowed white and black actors in it, at a time when racism and bigotry was prevalent in America. And almost always when Asian creates films and movies it's usually based around their cultures, and the people of said cultures.
It goes to show you that nonwhites still gotta fight for opportunity in this country. And when issues like this relating to minorities struggle, right wingers, including the same ethnic people in that group, tries to put it down claiming it's not a problem or the problem is too little to even thought about. But when white right wingers sees nonwhites playing a role in Hollywood movies all of a sudden it's a problem that's gotta be said.
Yeah.... Let's not bring up Avatar and Dragon Ball Z movies again please, they hurt too much.
I know right? It's so bad I don't even know why they made it at the first place.
and don't forget 2 things:
-Michael Bay's Transformers is better than DB Evolution, so
-All of you need to woke up & accept that Hollywood actually Support "Anime is Satan" movement
Yoyo handsome Big gotta save some money
I don’t even know why they mentioned avatar. None of the characters were Asian in the anime
White Lantern they were Asian
why so many dislikes though
this video was informative and well put together
+dhodz hoddy L
That's a joke right?
Lol no
+The Middle Man no? i honestly don't get whats wrong with it
+Errold Tumaque
I feel like, and I try to not bring emotions into this but they're kind of relevant, that people are getting upset with the fact that the 'reporting' leaves quite a bit to be desired.
They're making the issue about race, thus, some feel that it implies racism towards whites because it actually is racist to tell a specific race 'hey, you can't do that because you're [specific race]'. That leads to the fighting in the comments etc etc.
The real issue, in my opinion, is that not everything is being considered. By this I mean that Vox is postulating that race alone is the reason why an actor can not be cast as another race not their own, rather than something reasonable such as they have better skills or chemistry for the project they are working on. While they do have a point in the fact that there is some misrepresentation that is not what should be the main point, the idea that skills>race should be the main point.
Sorry for rambling, it's a very complex subject and it takes a lot of thought to fully wrap one's head around it.
tl;dr: Misrepresentation should be the main focus, not the race of the individual vs the race of another, i.e. making it about race usually leads to racism in itself.
It’s really shocking how this hasn’t been widely discussed. Also that this has been going on for so long and no one was talking about it ?!
@ did people really hate it because of race? I thought the character itself is pretty bad. Nothing to do with her race imo.
And the sad part is, it’s happened recently and no one is talking abt it
@@heycarlxyz the fans literally smothered her with racial slurs and bullied her off instagram. I'd say it's quite racist
Probably because people screams racist at almost anything other than Asians getting mocked on the TV and the west laughs like there's no tomorrow.
I'm sure asians were back then but no one cared
If you were born in Japan, it means you lived your childhood in a homogenous society --- Asian people everywhere, representation 100%. To Asian-Americans who were born in the United States, though, this matters so, so much. They're rarely given a voice. Please view it from their perspective.
Nguyen Le Phuc I agree so much with this.
It's the whole "Asians are only foreigners" myth that gets projected in film and television that is very damaging imo.
You are right too.
There are many many Asian-Americans born and raised here.
Yet people always treat them like they are foreigners from "somewhere else" and
are viewed with disdain from the "locals" in some places.
Sad :(
I was born and raised in nyc where there was a lot of diversity in cultures so I don’t fully understand. However, when I visited Oregon, there wasn’t a handful of Asian there so it felt like they treated us as foreigners
Vox has another video called "The myth of race, debunked in 3 minutes" claiming that "race isn't real." So, how can they make this video? Hypocrites!
It's called acting. Get over it. There's plenty of white characters portrayed by non-white actors. It works both ways. And, according to your previous video, there's no way to prove that Emma Stone is not Asian.
In Cloud Atlas, the movie mentioned in this video, Halle Barry plays a white woman in one of the sequences. The whole point of that movie was that you had a few actors each playing several different roles, many of different races, timelines, etc.
LOL. You clearly didn't understand the gist of the video. Race isn't real but racism is.
White actor: *plays as asian*
Asian actor: *plays as white person*
*insert suprised pikachu face*
Also asian actor & white actor : play as black people
I would like to see this one irl.
@@storm6245 if you want to see Asian act white go see "Oh my English" that show really shows white fetishes more than study English...
I mean, shouldn't happen none of them,I hope the spike Spiegel 's actor does a good job on the Netflix adaption of cowboy bebop,I hope it is even a good thing and not straight up garbage.
i can't think of a single white person who would be offended by that
The cloud atlas guy was a korean character??????? His home was full on oriental japanese and there wasn’t a single korean feature in his home wtaf
Q L Seriously?
Maybe a Korean that is heavily interested in Japanes culture? I dont know.
@@unknowngaming1432 knowingly what history koreans have with Japan I doubt mate
Coming from people who wear dreads, it's not surprising they think the ornaments are the same for all East Asians
@@moxenremon3251 ikr
This is a shoutout to Grey's anatomy because of their lack of Filipino doctors and nurses
How can a hospital exist without Filipino staff ?
I don't think Cloud atlas could be used as an example in this context. After all the movie did blackface, yellowface and 'whiteface' and a male actor portraying a female character. the whole main cast had multiple roles. The whole point of the story was the continuum between all the characters. In all the other movies i find it actually disgusting how they whitewash many fictional characters and then cast white actors, as if it would somehow be a bad thing to be anything other than white...
Agreed.
True true but at least the other "faces" didn't look like aliens. When I was watching that movie, I didn't realize that they were human for a few minutes.
Asian here, and I agree.
Well said. At first viewing I wondered if that particular timeline was a time when society considered looking "Korean" to be the desirable norm - even to the extent of having/being forced to have (shitty) plastic surgery. Like some kind of meta commentary. But that doesn't hold up with regards to the continuum-theory.
Yep. Cloud Atlas is having its actors play all types of roles. It's for story, not just because.
with china becoming a huge market in the movie industry now, they better start casting more chinese actors
juki0h tuki yep, it’s happening, they’re casting Liu Yifei as Mulan in the live action movie, thank god it’s not someone like Scarlett Johansson
stopped watching shallow-storied pathetic hollywood crap long time ago
CDLLBOSS Lee 骂谁呢！ 你一辈子都没她有才华
we better say they ran out of excuses using White women for this character
like that hot chick in the great wall and king kong?
when you said “filipino” i almost dropped the food in my hand i never expected anyone to actually mention us lol vox you guys are awesome
Yoyo handsome Big I had one
Yoyo handome Big You´re so pathetically stupid and brainwashed, it´s sad
j wat..
nutcracker when ppl think asia they think china and japan while the philippines gets constantly passed over- to american born filipinos (like me) they feel invisible and often feel distanced from their culture
nutcracker that’s perfectly valid, and that’s your own experience. but a lot of other filipino-americans (especially those who don’t live in an area with a lot of asian-americans like me) feel this way, which is why some get astonished when their own ethnicity is acknowledged
Why can't hollywood just accurately cast people? It's not that hard to get a Japanese actor who could do the role just as good as a white woman. It's like a pattern in behavior.
@@nikolemiranda9640 her name is completely japanese and the whole thing plays in japan you have to be joking
@@nikolemiranda9640 Her name is motoko though
@@nikolemiranda9640 No she is supposed to be Japanese, everyone who read the manga and watch the anime know it.
@@nikolemiranda9640 they said they‘re ok with them use Scarlet to act as her, but everything they write about her indicate she’s Japanese.
@@nikolemiranda9640 Also the movie fail, american alway try to whitewash everything, that’s why all of their anime adaptations fail.
In Asia, we don't paint Asian white to play white character, we just hire one. Only one exception, when the character is Jesus, we hire Korean to play him.
But they do like to put on blackface all the time
That’s not true, in Japan whenever they adapt a movie from a novel or anime or there’s a comercial and the characters are western they still hire Asian actors and they even use white/black/latino stereotypes and racist jokes sometimes and I don’t see anyone giving a bat about that
Not only japan but I’ve seen China and other Asian countries do this too
Explain FULLMETAL ALCHEMIST then. How a fictional country in the manga supposedly based on Germany has Japanese people in blonde wigs.
jesus isnt white who lied to you
in Asia, Jesus and Buddha went for a Roller coaster ride.
Did you all not watch Cloud Atlas or did you just not understand it? The same souls are being reincarnated in different genders and different races, any of the Korean parts who were not reincarnations of characters seen earlier would have gone to Koreans. Halle Berry, for example, was incarnated as a white person at one point.
If anything that film played with and questioned the way Hollywood casts people. All that went right over your heads!
I think the message that souls don't have a race was wonderful, and you had to spit on that! There was also the suggestion that souls did possibly have a gender, and with a transgender writer and director you can see how the theme would resonate and be taken seriously.
You're comment only applies to that one movie. This video talks about the lack of racial representation in general.
+Rachel Cho An example is an example; The fact that it's 1 in so many, doesn't change the fact that it's still a thing. Yellowface is only a small percentage of all movies, but that doesn't make it any less of an issue.
RUclips IS THE FRONT LINES OF MODERN PHILOSOPHICAL DISCOURSE
The most racist industry
That is white people, and jews for you, man.
Thats false, remember slavery??
Really!? Just as it's racist for Asian countries to remake western movies with all Asian casts...?
auritone and where have you seen this I’ve seen Asian films with Americans portrayed as Americans
YaBoiMou
Here's a little list you can go through that I posted in a comment. All of these western movies, plus a lot more have been remade in Asia with Asian casts.
"The remains of the Day", "A Few Good Men", "Sideways", Breaking Away", "When Harry met Sally", "Entourage", "Only You", "Primal Fear", "I Know what you did last Summer", "West Side Story", "The Good Wife", "Philadelphia", "It happened one Night", "Cellular", "Unforgiven", "Ghost", "It", "On the Waterfront", "Le Diner De Cons", "Knight and Day", "Lost", "Gone Girl", "The Miracle Worker", "Cold Case", "Seven Brides for Seven Brothers", "Ugly Betty", "Overboard", "U-Turn", "Reservoir Dogs", "Mrs. Doubtfire", "The Godfather", "The Silence of the Lambs", "A Kiss before Dying", "Kramer Vs Kramer", "12 Angry Men", "Chinatown", "Cavité", "What women Want", "Blood Simple", "A Nightmare on Elm Street" etc etc etc.
I was even made aware there is a Nigerian remake of Titanic out there somewhere...
I love that Hollywood pretends to be "diverse" and "inclusive" but when they do, it's just stereotypes, caricatures and black people. No offence to black people but blackwashing characters is not how one does diversity.
Are you from twitter
I agree with what you said
need an Asian oscars movement.
kek
I need a Russian superpower, and a wasteland called America.
+COOLOD1 Bring it on; slick
Rinko Kikuchi managed to get nominated for her role in 'Babel'.
thesonski93 Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon was one of the best movies I ever saw and that film was crawling with Asians.
Representation matters.
but please don't cast a black man to play L. (Netflix)
L should be the palest most disgusting human being who hasn't showered in months, since he's literally a walking brain, his body is just there.
Black L looks ways to clean, you just don't get the sense that this guy literally spends all this time indoors infront of a pc.
kuro neko I’m okay with subtle representation but most representation in the media is “HEY IM BLACK what’s your name? My names black guy I’m black did you know I’m black it’s pretty hard to be black you know I know cause I’m black.”
what show is this
Sydney Lightbourn the unholy movie adaptation of Death Note
L isnt Asian. L is white.
And its not only in hollywood too, we were playing this play for a theatre and there was a Chinese actress better than ANYONE in there and yet she didn't get picked, but the ones who did were all white
Sad to think that Linda Hunt won't play Edna Mode in the live action Incredibles movie 😂
Damn
RawVegan PeacefulGoddess they don't often look white though. Just because their features are not particularly Asian, doesn't mean they are white. Also many anime series are not set in Japan (FMA, attack on Titan etc.).
RawVegan PeacefulGoddess i don't think anybody will say that most anime characters are asian, the characters were made to be different from them, so it would not be normal and boring
RawVegan PeacefulGoddess Well, historically they the artstyle was inspired by American cartoons. But yeah, kind of odd to me too.
I mean hey, we let girls play the role of men and no one cares.
Strigidae Strigiformes I mean you're not the only one who thinks that about anime.
it's actually honestly such a big issue, and so many people are not taking it as so. And it hurts; it's sad, and insulting to Not be considered as an equal to white and black races - to be unknowingly unfairly treated, and blamed when even such an idea of asian racism is suggested. Asian racism is honestly such a real thing - for the Indians, to the Chinese, to the Philippians, and to every other asian race there is. It may not be the things like lower wages or unfair law (actually, it could be as well), but it's certainly dehumanizing and hurtful to hear others using asian jokes without thinking twice about it. It is dehumanizing to hear whatever the next untrue stereotype is, and actually seeing people believe it. and what is worse is that a lot of people see it as a normal thing, asian racism; little people would think asian racism is a big deal. And what is such a big thing as well is that Asian slavery is not so much as even mentioned in most textbooks, and most people - including asian descendants themselves - do not even know about the slavery. The poverty in china the past few years is rarely talked about as well. I am certainly not lessening the concern of other racisms or problems of other races - every racism, and poverty, and prejudice and inequality are all just as terrible, and important and big of an issue. JUST to be clear, I am not complaining. I truly believe and want to see a world without inequality and prejudice in all its form, for all the races and genders, and sexualities. please just consider this.
brenda l You went into movie roles and somehow ended up in genders and sexualities.
Get over yourself.
Fanfiction Scrutinizer no, the whole comment was about equality for all. That's why they mentioned gender and sexuality. They were making a broad overview that this video covers, which is racism and inequality in general.
brenda l Preach. I'm tired of all those racist jokes people would say to me just because I'm asian
+ Great comment
Brenda L you aren't viewed any different from the blacks. You guys understand us... we both been though things in the past. You guys know how it is. We're all the same bc we know how it is to be treated different just bc of the color of your skin
I don't think cloud atlas should be included. Both the Korean and black actors were put in whiteface for the movie. All the main actors went through race transformations.
+Conswa McGaga Not to mention the entire story is based on changing ethnicity. Bad example
Totally agree here. The who point of that story was to show the reincarnations of the same people in the differing roles, races, and stories. It was essential and integral to the story. No was was pretending to be any single race but more acting as a single multiracial entity.
Boo, on you Vox. That movie was the exception and you know it.
Yup. It's just ignorant, retarded social justice warriors having no clue what they're talking about.
As an Asian, I'm really happy that in recent years we've been getting more *ACTUAL* representation. In the last 3 years, we've seen 2 Asian-directed films win Best Picture, a Marvel movie with an Asian MC, the first Asian to win Best Actress and the explosive popularity of Kpop. I'm glad that we can build a name for ourselves without having other races interfere and misrepresent us.
Cloud Atlas is not a good example, it was the point of the movie. All of the cast played different characters of different ethnicity, gender in different timeline. The korean girl seen in the scene with him had also played the role of a rich white woman a spanish lady. It's not a fair example
The part about sgt motuko was also unfair, her robotic body was clearly white compared to the japanese population around her
@@BlueNorth313 the others i understand, i was only talking about her
They made her a dam GINGER beautiful done 😂
Mindy Park (The Martian) doesn't make much sense either. I believe Park is a common Korean name but no description of race is ever given with the character in the book.
Funnily the explicit racial change they did make was Venket Kupur. He was an older Indian man and they replaced him with a younger black actor. I wonder why that wasn't mentioned.
Hispanic lady, Hispanic isn't the same as Spanish.
"Goku" was a pain to watch.
That's why I just watch movies from Asia 😂😅
Monbebe.Melody.MyDay MonToDay
WEEB
I Hate 2D animation profiles nah they’re better than stupid American movies
Anica Xie
Did You Even Watch the New BLade Runner and 11.22.63
Jane E
Watch Treasure PLanet
Monbebe.Melody.Carat MonToTeen lol same
This is a great video, with an important point. One small thing however - Tilda Swinton is not playing a Tibetan character. The production company couldn't sell the movie in China with a Tibetan character, so they changed the character to be Celtic. Tilda Swinton got cast to play a Celtic character. The film was hence sold in China.
An Asian actor played Wong. They could have done the same for The Ancient One.
@@w2385-i2s - you can’t have any characters that would seem as pro Tibet. Hence making a Tibetan character now white. The Chinese government would ban the whole film and probably subsequent films and even alot of Disney projects in their market. So oddly enough movie studios make choices that impact source material in order to be able to make a profit overseas. Take a look at Taskmaster in black widow,
They had to change the costume because anything resembling a skull couldn’t be allowed in Chinese movie screens.
@@spidermancares why white? there are other Asian characters living with the Ancient One in Tibet. Did China complain about the Asian characters? It's Hollywood White washing. Hollywood could have use the other Asian actors in the movie as the Ancient One.
Matt Damon playing the lead in The Great Wall... Just saying ...
damnjustassignmeone weren't the characters portrayed Caucasian ? the issue is when roles made for Asian are not being portrayed as Asians.
DigitalYojimbo All I know is that an Asian guy is never the hero in Hollywood. Big historical action adventure move set in ancient China? Write it for a white guy to save the day.
Because it's a movie designed for the Chinese market and they love Matt Damon for whatever reason.
damnjustassignmeone Well he play the rol of merchant he could be white unless being a merchant from Europe means he has to be asian..
He played a character who wasn’t Asian tho....
NO idea why this video has so many down votes.....did people just read the title and call it a day? Everything seemed on point.
+Gmork People can disagree silly.
+Gmork They also imply stuff like "racist jokes are never ok" and "NO! Only people of X race can play X race", etc/
+Gmork Some people like to pretend that racism hasn't existed since slavery and don't like to be reminded of the reality.
+Gmork Have you seen Cloud Atlas?
one of its underlying themes was a criticism of racism, and you could argue it
criticized yellowface and blackface. Halle Berry played a white woman in it, for example.
This video was a very superficial review of a very serious problem that people take seriously. When people just vomit up a poorly researched video like this with such flippancy they discourage people from taking the point seriously!
On the other hand, I'd say any of the down voters who didn't down vote it for being so shallow are probably just racists who think it's okay that most hollywood movies only have white actors and that of the top 15 cast there are never more than 3 women.
thisjerksaguy Ugh, you still don't get it.
And until now most of western are people often mistaken about Asian and tend to generalize them, like for example in Anaconda that took place in Borneo, Indonesia, there's an Indonesian character called Tran (that name doesn't exist in Indonesia, it's Vietnamese name) and played by American Korean actor, it's a kind of generalization of Asian, but fortunately he pronounced some Indonesian words well.
Yoyo handsome Big ooo another one
Omg I'm laughing at this irony 😂 they think black people in hollywood had it worst. oh no they don't. They forgot that diversity is also including asian people.
+Fmungs well I don't see Asians screaming. they must be OK with it
most asian people are chill, they are used to such a thing, for better or worse *shrug*
Generalizations are terrible but I don' t think characters need to be played by the nationality they're supposed to be if someone from a different nationality can give a better perfomance. There are French actors that played American characters or Americans that play British characters.
Is it just me or the term "yellowface" is extremely racist?
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How? I could understand how the act of yellowface is racist (because it was made to be). But not the term..?
@@andrew-song People get offended over anything
huh? it’s basically the same as saying black face. black ppl obviously don’t have black skin, and asian ppl don’t have yellow skin.
If that's the case, than wouldn't "Blackface" be extremely racist?
I’m a quarter Asian and when she said the guy was a quarter Asian and was like “progress?” That hurt
Hopefully it will get better for minorities.
In my country in Asia, half Asians are not even considered Asian so you’re as “non Asian” as you can get according to them if you’re only a quarter 💀
sorry hon, you aren't enough asian for this woman.
Well some Filipinos tend to already be not fully Asian. Not all of them mind you. But a lot of Filipinos I've seen already look half Asian.
@@TimLimDimSims Filipinos, Indonesians, Malaysians, and basically Southeast Asia belong in a group called Malay. Yes, we kind of differ from Northeast Asians thats because we mixed with other indegenous groups in our areas.
This is so angering. Hollywood was built to essentially be white people congratulating other white people on their talents to be watched by other white people. They were even going to try and whitewash a live-action version of Mulan but everyone was pissed. Me included. The whole movie is based on Chinese culture and a sense of duty and honour prevalent in Asian households so whitewashing that would be distracting, confusing and extremely distasteful in the kindest words. I didn’t even bother watching the movie with Emma Stone cause I realised this was the biggest bull, as if they don’t have any other roles to take?? Seriously?? Take someone else’s idea and don’t even stay true to the character and their identity!
Emma Stone was in Mulan?
I don’t care if Emma Stones was in Mulan, because it’s a good movie nonetheless lol.
The creator of ghost in the shell approved it. m.ign.com/articles/2017/03/21/original-ghost-in-the-shell-director-mamoru-oshii-has-no-problem-with-live-action-remake
...but a lot of the producers for these films were Ashkenazi-Euro mixed. I don't care either way, but it isn't exclusively a "white thing."
I highly doubt Hollywood is built around racist white people. You making all of these accusations are a little hypocritical, don't you think? You're saying Hollywood is white people congratulating white people and being watched by white people. Pretty racist to me if I'm going to be honest. If you haven't noticed, there is a lot more diversity in actors nowadays in terms of gender, sexual orientation and race than there was in previous decades. We're making progress, but I don't think you understand how talent works. There are talented people of colour in the film industry and a lot of them are absolutely fantastic to watch, but they're talented. We can't have this equal diversity of people in a certain industry if there isn't an equal distribution of talent, you feel me? It's progressing, but currently it's just not the case lmao. About the whitewashing, I don't overly mind or find it too offensive unless it's too overboard like Ashton Kutcher was. It's not the fault of film companies to want to make money from their films and the best way they'll do that is to put a common famous celebrity in their film. They could hire an appropriate cast for each role according to their race in the film, but why does it matter so much? I mean it's obviously not to make fun of that race or discriminate against the race otherwise they wouldn't be making a serious film with a character of colour. It doesn't make sense to me why that might be offensive at all.
Linda Hunt is literally Edna
Edna Mode x Lord Farquaad
invalid example: cloud atlas keeps the actors between reincarnation through history. in the previous reincarnation the asian woman of the couple was wearing white face. the plot would have been much more confusing if it wasnt for the yellow face and the white face, as the recognizable character faces allow us to match who is the reincarnation of what.
Shush, don't bring logic and rationality into this.
@@SKeeetcher ok I actually laughed out loud. Your reply is too accurate
Totally agree, cloud atlas couldn’t just have casted an actual Asian to play those roles. It had to be the same actors. They also casted Doona Bae for a major role and not a white actor
@@FlyingGrizz Yes, as Asian I found Cloud Atlas is not problematic. They still let Donna Bae as lead role in Neo Seoul story arc.
@@faustinuskaryadi6610 Yeah. She was there.
we can't forget The Last Samurai was Tom Cruise and The Mexican was Brad Pitt lol there are many more to
How would the last samurai even make sense if tom cruise was replaced by an Asian!!?!????
Arron Mckain
Because whites aren’t samurais, dumb ass
Jason React have you seen the film, it's about the clash of cultures and how they learn to coexist, the film wouldn't make sense if tom cruise's role was someone who was already from Japan.
I've seen it more than once in the past, and the title illustrated itself that it was last about the Last Samurais, that alone could have been a good reason for Hollywood depict the war between Samurais and their emperor till the end. But did they? no, and why would they? Hollywood has their own track record of poorly portraying Asians in their movies, and given Asian roles to white actors especially when it's based on real life stories. And the clash of cultures you speak of was Hollywood excuse of adding in someone white. I like Tom Cruise, but they could have given him the supportive role.
Jason React it's about alot more than just a war between samurai, it's how there was a clash of cultures and how Japan was becoming more westernised and the repercussions of that, one side of that being the fall of the samurai feudal system. While the film isnt historically accurate it is however based loosely on true events and people. I can't remember exactly but I do know Tom cruise's character is based on a French captain who actually fought alongside the samurai in the Meiji rebellion. The thing is at the end of the day this film is made for a western audience as entertainment. People want to be able to relate to the main characters so out of all the characters in this film to portray the main protagonist why not the westerner. If anything to be more historically accurate tom cruises role should have been that of a French captain, not an American one and the role played by a French actor you could say but then again who would an American in general want to be their avatar into this world of fantasy. When it comes to the last samurai people clutch at straws to say it's white washing. If you want to see hollywood white washing look up the 'asian' land lord in Breakfast at Tiffany's.
Here come the people screaming "the best actors get the job race shouldnt matter"
Salty.
ikr? meanwhile if that mindset was shared in the academic world, affirmative action wouldn't exist. "the best actors get the job, race shouldn't matter" VS "it doesn't matter how good of a student you are, as long as your race meets the school quota, you'll be accepted". smh.
mishi kim no dumbass the whole point of those things are bc that isnt what happens
Adam Blackler are you saying all Asians are bad actors?
i am half asian and idgaf about race, cast who u want i care about people's acting skills not their race
No the smiley face said you're salty, your opinion means nothing apparently. They should remove all acting colleges/classes and just hire random ethnic group people because that is a far superior system.
Lol imagine going to the movies watching terrible actors all hazily thrown together based on their ethnic backgrounds, you'd probably think you were watching a home movie or some RUclips footage because of the poor acting, hey if your a minority race like me we could be a in a movie together acting terribly!
Cloud atlas isn't a fair comparison. It was essential to the story
I thought the same thing
exactly! there were women who played men in cloud atlas! is *that* also insulting?
I agree and I'm Asian. If there is a reason for it, it's all cool.
And men who played women! It's strange they chose to get upset about Hugo Weaving playing an Asian character but not a woman, in the same movie!
Agreed
Remember the "Nepalese" guy in Indiana Jones that was played by Malcom Weaver.
The Asian woman's name is _Anna May?_
Boy that's gotta get confusing
@@underwater.__. That's actually Tina Turner's birth name, but "May" is spelled "Mae" I believe.
Winifred Li I think his point is that it’s not a white name, but rather it’s typically not an Asian name.
@@arthurmorgan319 no, the point is it sounds like anime
The woosh in these replies is strong
@@underwater.__. The point is her name sounds like anime when said out loud. Anime is a well known Japanese word relating to animation. Big ol woosh.
I just want Hollywood to respect the original materials, I want my Human Torch white and Goku Asian, is it really that hard?
lloooooollll
but Goku isn't Asian, he's an alien
Tony Stark I know man, I kno (shakes head in complete shame)
Tony Stark it's Hollywood elite actors. star power. it's stupid
joshua doe so is Superman but Superman is still white. and Goku is clearly asian.
hmmm ok so we need a filipino actor?...
right well ummm...how about this blond-haired caucasian man instead, eh?
yes
Caucasians aren't white =_=
Rosy Rose most are
prickollo No, Caucasians are from the middle east .
prickollo In the Caucasus regions , we're not white
Imagine my confusion as a kid when all the "native Africans" in Tarzan were white.
Im mongolian and when i found out Genghis Khan was cast as a non asian man i was not surprised and i was like 9 when i found out because hollywood always does this
Avatar: The Last Airbender the movie was an abomination and an utter disappointment, and it's not just due to the bizzare yellowface/brownface (of every main character! An Indian guy played Zuko???)
I understood the fire nation to be Japanese. earth nation yo be China. water nation to be inuit and the air nomads to be Tibetan.
if you wanted to be very percise about racial consistant.
Skinnymarks fire nation Japanese? How is that referenced anywhere? I understand the rest just not that one
+gustavo pena +Skinnymarks I agree with Skinnymarks, however, East Asian looking actors would've made it a bit better for the nations other than the Water tribe and "doing justice" do the original series. I feel like it's Japanese in the sense of their names, Zuko, Azula, Lord Ozai, which sounds Japanese and other elements that I don't have the time to explain now.
Michail Highland hmmm... Ill just state what's going through my head
There are three cultural references in the fire nation
Pre Colombian Mexican
Indian
And Japanese
Thoughts?
gustavo pena because the fire nation is a chain of islands next to the earth nation. Much like Japan is next to China.
Also there is a lot of Japanese cultural immagery in the fire nation.
Earth nation has a lot of China cultural immagery
Water nation Inuit.
And air nomads have a bit of a mix of Indian and Tibetan cultural immagery. Though to be fair Tibet and India did influance eachother religious and cultural features quite a bit.
Cloud Atlas is a poor example. One of the purposes of using the same actors throughout the film was to provide story line continuity, not because they didn't want to hire other actors. It's a movie that hasn't engaged in whitewashing. Not sure why it was brought up; you had hundreds of other examples at your disposable.
the cloud atlas example felt strange to me too.
Agreed, its similar to just looking at the trailer of the movie without having actually watched it. The Great Wall with Matt Damon is also quite controversial too but actually I believe the Chinese funded it to promote Chinese culture and used Matt Damon because he was a big name and could bring in sales. In a sense, Matt Damon is used as a trojan horse against American audiences because Hollywood felt it wouldn't be enough to have only Chinese actors in the film. That being said, I still agree with the majority of the video
It is and it isn't. It's just a weird example. The sound design behind Hugo Weaving messing with Tom Hanks as the devil was extremely good. Everything else was just weird.
I agree, Cloud Atlas is a poor example. It has Asian cast members playing white and Latino characters.
You have to admit, though, when you see those white actors in that alien-ish makeup that's supposed to make them look Asian, it's startling and more than a little grotesque. I can easily see why people would find it offputting or offensive.
Calling them yellow is not a good look either, vox
Asians are yellow. Deal with it.
@@andersongodoi8080 indians are asians and they are brown
@@jnmks think they meant oriental Asian
@@andersongodoi8080 nope racist
nobody knows another term for yellowface. its a widespread term many people know so that's what they used. the term itself is problematic in my opinion because it should be separated from blackface because they're different issues but also it only considers pale east asians but should really include south asians, south west asians, etc b/c they're brown they don't have yellow undertones
In ghost in the shell, the author of the Manga literally said that they never imagined the character as specifically Japanese.
Well, i mean its animation, alot of anime characters dont look particularly 1 race over another..... still doesnt mean that kusanagi couldnt have been asian....
@@MrEvldreamr The original director of the anime, Mamoru Oshii defended the casting of Scarlet many times. Saying that it is not a case of whitewashing since they are a cyborg, not to mention what I have mentioned before, they never imagined the character as specifically Asian.
Little Big Heart.s this is an echo chamber. The character's LITERAL SHELL is of a Caucasian woman. Inconvenient facts.
RecoveringChristian that’s what I think too. And she’s a cyborg, not in her real body. Who knows what happens to her real one right? That’s what I think.
AutoAnubis it also doesn’t mean they’re automatically not white! You gotta choose one or the other. You aren’t gonna pick a mix of all races, are you?
Shouldn't include Cloud Atlas in this.
Because just about every big actor is playing multiple roles, both of their own race and otherwise. It's kind of the whole point of the movie.
***** ...the hell? Perhaps I should explain it again.
The whole point of the movie is that the same heroic qualities and ideals can appear in very different people from very different generations and cultures. That's why the same few actors play all these characters: despite appearing to be a different race on the outside they're all really the same on the inside. White actors play Asian characters, Asian actors play white characters, similar situation for black actors, and a man even plays a woman at one point.
It's not racist. It's probably about the farthest you could possibly be from being racist, it's almost a deconstruction of the very concept of race.
***** I would like to remind everyone of this person's username. Don't bother.
Wakon Fair point
***** ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Excuse me, Cloud Atlas has all the reasons for the actors to play an "asian role" EXACTLY because of the reincarnation, as all the actors throughout the movie play so many characters. Just like what you are claiming, you could say it's whitewashing when Doona Bae plays a white woman in one of the arcs. I don't disagree with the point of the video, just think this example was a very badly chosen one.
Well said 👍
Representation does matter. I remember when I was little, I was surrounded with all these movies with no asian representation at all. I started wishing to be someone else, a different race. Now that I’m older, I’ve started to love myself because of kpop ngl. It made me love myself for myself.
That seems like a problem with you, not with movies.
There is a problem if anyone is getting their self-worth from movies.
Thank God you saw an Asian in a movie! Who knows what would have happened to you!
Vox, you did a good job this time. Why on earth would they choose White actors to play the role as Asians?
+Aditya William McAuliffe-Sudjatmiko The Major is not Asian. Have you watched the movies?
+systematic101 I mean, she IS from japan, but her prosthetic body is definitely ambiguous as to what race it's trying to portray.
I literally feel like crying just looking at all these examples of Asians being dismissed and pushed aside, even for a role of an Asian character. People may think it's a non-issue, but this hurts me on such a personal level. It's telling me that "people like me" aren't even good enough to play ourselves. It breaks my heart...
CLOUD ATLAS is such a maligned movie. It should not be taken at... Literally face value. You have to watch the movie to understand the underlying tone and message. Also, to understand why a character is depicted in different races makeup meant to illustrate reincarnation and karma.
I'm glad someone said this.. Otherwise I was going to have to. 👍
also a reminder.. non-white actors played white characters as well for the same reason.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't ghost in the shell not whitewashed? I thought that the point was that the "shell" was mass produced. And the race and identity change really gave major a disconnect. (I'm not very familiar with the anime, this is just a question)
@@pariahsgrit I completely agree
I don't see it as whitewashed. Her soul/ghost is Japanese. + look at the rest of the cast, they could have easily filled the roles with white actors, they didn't.
@ThatOneAsianBroChick no
ThatOneAsianBroChick So people can only be put in bodies identical to their original body?
Seems to undermine the whole point.
Anyway, no one’s soul was put anywhere - it’s a movie.
If you object to what characters in the movie did take it up with them.
But I’ve seen movie characters do worse things than put the wrong person in the wrong race’s body.
The movie is like taking the anime script to shredding machine, taking five pieces and making up all the rest. The only connection are visuals and the movie script is a terrible mess.
correct title: "Yellowface is racism! Racism is not a joke, Hollywood!"
"bad look"= when I use short-shorts, a half-shirt, long socks in leather shoes is a "bad look".
Anime wong
Wtf? Saying yellow face is racism, is like saying black face, brown face or red face is racist
Cracked what have you done.. oh wait, this is Vox.
Why Crack?
+armvex because it's cheaper than meth
To be fair Clout Atlas Faced everyone.
They even white-faced lol
This is sad. I've noticed that it has been getting a bit better recently though, like I got to see Kris Wu in a hollywood movie recently
What movie was it again? I remember it was the one with Vin Diesel but I can't be for sure.
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Donnie yen in rogue one
hell yeah
OMG! !!I love kris wu
That starship troopers casting broke my heart. 💔😢 Cause im filipino
Well , I dunno if a filipino dude would be better for that cast....
Wait... wasn't the character in the story line originally Filipino?? And why would he not be better for the cast? Just curious, thanks.
#proudtobefilipino pilipino ka ren
yooo what up po
énzo salvador Tangina ang drama mo Gago
That face reborn as Korean is just hilarious
The irony of people who attack pieces like this for being "SJW" or "PC" is that they are clearly threatened by the opinion presented, yet criticize those making the argument as "oversensitive." Yet cast one or even "gasp" TWO Star Wars movies in a row with female and minority leads and those people immediately start complaining in the comment sections that it's the result of liberal SJW control of the film industry.
+Neal X I don't think it's as cut and dry as that. I think ordinary people who don't think about this stuff all day long have a hard time distinguishing between a good, relevant piece like this and hack opinion pieces. For example, the other day Vox posted a criticism of Kimmy Schmidt for Titus's yellow face play. It was a grossly unfair hot take that deliberately ignored the context of what Kimmy Schmidt is as a show and the style of commentary it does. There is a legitimate feeling that some elements of the media are using throaty opinion pieces to silence reasonable disagreements. Disagreements that aren't racist but maybe do want some objectivity in editorials. Often the motivations of new media companies like Vox, Buzzfeed, Mic, etc. aren't based in actually solving racial inequality, they're focused on stoking certain uncomfortable cultural differences to drive clicks.
So my point is that there will of course be outrageously bigoted responses to a piece like this but they're not always based in pure racial hatred like it appears at first. And the more moderate disagreeable responses certainly aren't. Often it is just ordinary people who incorrectly judge this to be just another example of that editorial overreach. The culture of some of these companies (liberal and conservative) are often so uniform that a reasonable amount of debate doesn't happen at an editorial level. Often there is one opinion that is never challenged, and because these new media companies are overtaking old media like the NY Times, Washington Post, etc. as our main sources of news, a lot of normally moderate people get quite angry about the lack of balance and have reasonable fears about our right to disagree without being attacked. Balance doesn't necessarily mean letting Rush Limbaugh write a guest post, but it might mean keeping someone on staff who at least values the moderate opinion.
I really think we as a culture have to stop labelling our opponents as outrightly bad just because they disagree with us. Their motivations aren't always what they first appear.
Let's not forget Eddie Murphy playing an Asian man in Norbit
Master Sietra Norbit it's a comedy it was probably intentional
@@tacoface6029 That's what white folks used to say as an excuse to do blackface back in the day - "a comedy". It's not ok at all.
@Steffen Bodar in the current definition it is rascist. But if white people can only play white,asians play asians and so on, you're being racist twice: first you look at the race of the character and then you have to find an actor with the "right" race for the role which is racist.
Is the Asian man stereotypical or something?
@Steffen Bodar so racial joke is unacceptable?
Agree with everything except the Clout Atlas comment. That wasn't necessarily "yellow face." The story wasn't attempting to make Hugo Weaving an asian caricature or "white wash" that character. It was based on the premise that our soul moves from one body to another, and we are reincarnated again and again as different people, races, in different times and places.
+Chris M I know. I also felt like the Cloud Atlas comment was uncalled for.Plus the Asian actress was in "white face", if thats a thing, at the end of the movie how come that wasn't a problem? The premise of the movie was so that all the actors play their various reincarnation forms.
I agree with everything else tho.
Guy, get a clue, get your head out of your ass, and get over yourself as a white person.
Neville600
You know what? No one who really live in Asia care
Cloud atlas was about reincarnation of the same soul. Halle Berry played a full white woman in one era.
Was looking for this comment, totally. The Asian actress here plays a white lady later on - they cherry picked their examples!
ikr she didnt do enough research for that example
Even though I’m black I understand too that every race needs representation without all those stereotypes. Hollywood is doomed.
I think we gotta cut Cloud Atlas some slack though, that story was related to reincarnation and most of the cast had different versions of themselves from different times, but with a similar look.
Besides, the non white actors/actress also played characters outside their races, which were important for the reincarnation subject.
Agree fully.
CLOUD ATLAS is such a maligned movie. It should not be taken at... Literally face value. You have to watch the movie to understand the underlying tone and message. Also, to understand why a character is depicted in different races makeup meant to illustrate reincarnation and karma.
I'm Indian, I find those Indian renditions amusing! 😂🤣😂🤣 Kutcher killed it!
That's ok, but realize that these kind of characters are sometimes the only Indians people see in their life (especially in childhood, when many prejudices are formed).
@@dodec8449 Bollywood exists btw
Omg the girl reporting at the end should be in movies 😂 she's beautiful
Her name is joss fong
That's indian thinking
She reminded me of Maggie Q
As an Asian I dont really care as long as it's not just flat out being racist
Kinetic how?