J. Krishnamurti - Amsterdam 1981 - Public Talk 2 - A religious mind is a very factual mind
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- J. Krishnamurti - Amsterdam 1981 - Public Talk 2 - A religious mind is a very factual mind
Summary:
Can we observe together what is living and what it means to die?
Is it possible while one is living, with all the turmoil, with that energy, capacity, to end attachment?
Why has religion played such a great part in our lives from the most ancient of times until today?
A religious mind is completely without disorder.
In meditation there is no system, no practice; but the clarity of perception of a mind that is free, that has no direction, no choice, and is free to observe.
Conflict exists only when there is division. Where there is nationalistic, economic or social division there must be conflict. Inwardly, where there is the division between the observer, the one who witnesses, the one who experiences, different from that which he experiences, there must be conflict.
A mind that is practising, struggling, wanting to be silent is never silent.
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what he is saying is that when we have a thought, and another thought comes in and tries to do something with that thought, that creates separation, friction. But actually the thought that says that it has to control the other thought is just a thought, just like the one it tries to control. The intellect separates out one thought and calls it the "controller" that tries to control the other thoughts. It's all just a mental abstraction. Like when you start doubting yourself, the one who is doubting oneself is the fictitious imaginary "I" who tries get a hold of himself. But the separation between the thinker and the thought is very much that very thing which creates the suffering.
Brilliant... Beautifully Explained...
The very act of uploading is worth appreciation. Thank you.
Our thinker hero ...
When he sais that the controller is the controlled , I felt love for my self. And for the entire world.
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Good me too. Now I am in love with whole earth
Thanks from the bottom of my heart for uploading such a life transforming video series
Just realized why J.K. always speaks "the speaker." Genius ! Sending love to all of you
Why? I am new to his speeches. He means he is also observing, and he himself is not the one speaking? Is that so?
the speaker is what is said😊
He’s an amazing public speaker- never goes “um”etc. and very rarely corrects himself. His skill as a public speaker is legend
I was “living dead” and after coming across his speeches “now” I woke up to live.
cringe and lol
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@@kirklazarus8424 I think when you experience pain, cringe will take on a new meaning. No meaning at all. You don't care about cringe. Cringe becomes when you get your finger trapped in the door and weren't aware enough to step up to the pain. actually it's been two years. Maybe you think your comment was cringe now haha.
Maybe the best speach of sir Jiddu. How beautiful it is to die every day to all the illusions mind has accumulated.
Very few people are watching this valuable knowledge on other hand there is millions of views on garage based content .all that people just need is entertainment and stimulation
One needs to have tremendous courage to face the fact that he is an illusion put together by memory. Very few have the conditions to digest it.
O what a beautiful man he is ...
Eye opening speech
So glad that I hv come across this uploaded video!! Thank you so much for this. Learnt & gratitude! 🥰❤️👍🙏🙏🙏
To realize truth one should make his heart pure and mind clear then the truth is near. Secondly, Ego i.e (I. me,my,mine) is zero one becomes hero.
It's hard to believe, someone like JK lived in this earth -not so long ago.
And also, the world is still the same place - nothing has really changed!
His listeners must be 1 percent of this world ... He can't change world alone
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World is not different from you
The ones who are listening, if they change themselves, gradually the world will change. His efforts will not go to waste.
Thank you so much for uploading all these videos.
A "Religious Mind" is Free to observe ALL of its emotional thoughts & feelings that arise in ones daily relationships. "Religion" is Holistic Self-Awareness of all illusory activity arising in the mind. Religion is being free to question the validity of Emotional Traditions and never blindly obey beliefs, dogmas or saints. Illusion arises out of the Desire to Escape from Emotional Disturbance rather than to penetrate it. Avoiding my nature is being contradictory which is a rejection of being WHOLE, moral.
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at 33:33 He mentioned about a decease that will push us off. this is awakeneing to those who follows this man
what do you mean by that?
thanks a lot for sharing
Beautiful observations Valerie
Thank you sir
This at the wake of Paris massacre. K is like a loving, prompting grandma, a must for our brutal 20 century. Let's just hope humanity understands the Truth, that unless we want peace with such intensity, such desperation that there's no time, no space, but only immediate realization of ahimsa. Never anti-terror nor war, but be Peace. To K, To Gandhi, our real spiritual KinGs. One taught with decades of talks and the other with actions. Prism of LOVE : Truth, Beauty and ego-less.
Big thank u for all the upload.
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Woooooooo! Very fantastic . You want to save me from my self= ego= my thought
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I believe that K was a man generations ahead of his time and a genius really.
I have 4 questions which I wish someone had asked K. If anybody knows of any video or audio of him addressing them please share. Thanks in advance!
ON DESIRE: K used to say something along the lines that desire is created by thought, and is destructive, brings insecurity, which brings division, which leads to violence and all the rest of it. Nonetheless, didn’t he himself “desire” that the people listening to his lectures understood what he was trying to communicate to them? Of course he did! Did he desire to change mankind and stop human suffering? Of course he did! Thus, he desired! He desired to change the world!
ON DIVISION: K used to say that ANY type of division was “bad” (i.e. nationality, family, religion, etc.), but he himself often DIVIDED time between “psychological time” and “physical time”. Thus, his argument was often supported by division! The same applied to desire when he talked about desire for physical security being separate and distinct from desire for psychological security. He divided them!
ON THOUGHT: K used to say (something like) thought was always playing tricks on human beings, and could never lead to right action, and only led to sorrow and all the rest of it. Nonetheless, during his many talks with Dr. David Bohm, they both were systematically “thinking” about how to best coin a sentence. That was thought in action! Their words were a product of thought! They even mentioned having looked the meaning of world in the dictionary.
ON SECURITY: K stated that if one reached psychological security than physical security would be “all right”, because true psychological security would always lead to right action. He even said that if his house burned down, he would not care. Come on now! I would care (and guess I will always care) if my house burns down!
+Blue Jacky Thanks for all the K quotes.
Please note when you say that my "observations are pretty false" you are not really listening to them.
I am not "just comparing what Jiddu Krishnamurti says to what you believe and then criticizing". What I am doing is following his own recommendation and "going into it", "questioning it", "looking at it", "observing it".
I am under the impression that you may have taken offense in that, which if so is unfortunate.
Reading the quotes you kindly posted makes me wonder, there are arguably many contradictions. For example:
K: "My inquiry now is how to be free from the fear of the known , which is the fear of losing my family, my reputation, my character, my bank account, my appetites and so on"
My inquiry: Is that not DESIRE? The desire to be free from the known? Free from sorrow, pain and the rest of it?
K: "My difficulty is my desire to live in a certain frame. Can I not break the frame?"
My inquiry: Why does he desire to change? Who is the observer thinking there is a better way of living?
K: "Do we now know what fear is? Is it not the non-acceptance of what is?"
My inquiry: So, does that mean he was a fearful man, given this non-acceptance of the current state of affairs?
K: "How can I, who am a bundle of all these reactions, responses, memories, hopes, depressions, frustrations, who am the result of the movement of consciousness blocked, go beyond?"
My inquiry: Again, he displays a DESIRE for change.
Again, please don't take my inquiry as attacks, I am simply following K's own recommendation to question everything any guru says is true.
Also, going back to all the quotes, if mankind were to abandon psychological thought, what kind of society would we have?
If one only understands the meaning of the English words, one will not understand the Thing he is talking about. "The Word is not the Thing." he often said. So one needs to go beyond the words deeper to understand the real meaning.
ON DESIRE: He said he doesn't have any attachment to his audience at all, meaning he has no desire for them to listen to him or not listen to him. He has no desire to change mankind, he only shares to mankind. His actions do not base on Thought or Desire, but it comes from the Nothingness, Timeless, Ethereal that he talks about.
ON DIVISION: “psychological time” and “physical time” they are not the same thing, so there is no division. They are two separate things. Physical security is normal. But the need for Psychological security is created by Thought. There are videos that he talks about security.
ON THOUGHT: "Thought has its own place," he said. "We have to use thought to learn language, to speak, to communicate in English." So while talking/discussing we have to use thought. But his Thought doesn't come from the Self (put together by thought). His thought comes from Nothingness, Eternal, Love, Compassion or whatever the Thing is.
ON SECURITY: You said, "I would care (and guess I will always care) if my house burns down!" Yes, you can care, you can think, you can worry, you can be sad, be unhappy, or whatever, but the house had already burned down. It's a FACT! Unless you don't accept that fact, than you would try to change that FACT to ILLUSION. It becomes Illusion when the brain starts to create images of the house being OK or try to project that the house is actually not burned down. When one tries to change the FACT, that is when suffering happens. The harder thought try to change the FACT, the more pain it gets. That is an example of attachment in action?
Hope the explanation helps to some extend.
If you have not already, listen to this discussion might help. If one understands the whole thing in the discussion, it's Over.
ruclips.net/p/PL1n30s-LKus4ipHYdBpKt1-AdSN181Lc0
Selfish desire for material things could lead to corruption but selfless desires to eradicate poverty, suffering and mankind's ignorance will that lead to peace and happiness or destruction.
A rather cheerful talk, isn't it?
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He repeats and repeats that we all already knew. Hard to find something new from him.
Oh, but the last part of this video is genial. His speech is composed to 9 introduction : 1 core teaching.
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Its all belief even J K in this talk is showing his belief.
Its not belief it is realisation
37:38 What we mean by the word "RELIGION" .
Funny, strange and confusing moment at 18:00 when JK wonders whether the audience masters English sufficiently to understand what he is saying.
Dude bcoz the talk is in Amsterdam where Dutch is prevalent
@@lakshgarg6480 You miss the point old boy as JK would say... I am very well aware Dutch is the native tongue of most people in Amsterdam yet I maintain it is funny because Dutch people are reputed to have a very good command of English🤣
中文字幕,太棒了
是我电脑设置的问题还是怎么回事，整个系列都是简体中文的标题跟介绍，感恩🥹
The best thi g to be is to listen to JK
After all the ideas about being religious and spirituality K. is under no illusion that the religious mind is very factual mind. This seems to cut through any fantasising, any illusion of personal experience. Does that mean the religious is totally free from all experience in which the illusory self has subsided. Asking what this means with all of our energy and waiting for the outcome, waiting, waiting, waiting is all there is.
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Analiză magnifică a fiintei bărbătești..... din pacate cu minime intersectari cu ceea ce este ( simte ) femeia , dar nu este de mirare , pentru că foarte putini bărbați s,au hazardat ( și bine au făcut ) să incerce să înțeleagă complexitatea simțirii feminine si gândurile si acțiunile care decurg din asta .Yung a incercat , dar si el in mod timid !
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A RELIGIOUS MIND IS A FACTUAL MIND is so trying to TAKES AWAY TRUTH FROM A SRIRTUAL EXISTACE
To they that have reached understanding one word is to much
Will you share the beginning of all talks.
Respect to Sir Krishnamurti, the official owners of literature, convert in 19 language of world.They convert it in even Marathi,but did they really don't know that Hindi is our National Language,and it should be convert it into that too.It's Constitution's 8th schedule ,that given list of all language.Kindly do the needful.Thanks
Thank you for your message. Our subtitles are created by a large network of volunteers. We don't operate any selection on which languages should or should not be available. The more languages available, irrespective of popularity, the better. Hope this helps.
Hindi is not India's national language...there are official languages , English and Hindi ..
abhishek K J. We are divided.
Rather hear Krishnamurti then Trump or Biden
I was death, I resurrected with death. MEVLANA
@ 49 seconds, the speaker makes the statement "I am afraid this is the last talk". In the Public Talk 1, he states that he does not experience fear. Yet, being afraid is the experience of fear. I do not point this out to criticize. I just wonder if he meant that he had sorrow that it was the last talk.
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Dude ..that's too deep lol...it's just an expression ...without feeling behind it
It's just words, it has not deep meaning to him. Just like when he say, "Thanks God." Doesn't mean there is God.
Human beings aren't perfect, neither is Krishnamurti. Others have pointed out that what he said is merely an expression. If you search for errors in his speeches, you will find them, but instead of looking for errors you should be looking for whether you can learn something from this man, something you can acknowledge as true yourself, despite his minor errors.
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man do not need religion,don,t need a GOD.
So, Krishnamurti didn’t believe in God, is he?
You think god looks like us, he is a finite thing to believe or disbelieve. Religion was created by great humans and they introduced God to humanity so they can imply their rules on them.
Normally I agree with him, but religion and facts have nothing to do with each other.
But he clearly defines religion as something totally different to what is practiced by religions and probably different to what you consider to be religion. By his definition religion, facts, freedom, observation and truth are synonymous.
Sir once one brings about right living and truth there will be somthin you can't can't put in words ... let's call it bliss.. check out his note book thats as close to the understanding of what he's talking about in a religious life.. there's alot more to be said about this topic one just threw this out real fast with out thinking of coarse.
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