@@Cyan_Nightingale I've been using Linux for over a decade now... My last job forced me to use Windows 11 for two years... The ridiculous amount of uninformative errors, constant not-responding apps ,unnecessary amount of reboots, lack of a decent package-manager or app-store, settings that reset themselves after an update, etc ... It got me so frustrated, that one day I just stood up walked to my bosses desk and quit on the spot... One of my next job requirement is a Linux OS, or I don't sign a contract!
@@Cyan_Nightingale Linux is really easy to use if you know how to use a search engine, anyways most people likely just browse the web which is pretty much the same on Linux and Windows.
There are ways to do it... I find that the ones I have tried eventually there are issues after a few months. Its definitely not something like 75%+ of windows users would be able to implement
@@dragonsystems5973 For that reason, Linux will be THE way to go real soon! It seems to me that it will be WAY easier to use Linux than it will be to install Windows 11 on these older PCs.
For Personal Use and Tech Oriented User, it's fine. But for Average Joe and Jane who use it for work and business like my client, I won't risk it. I'd rather lose a customer for declining a Win 11 bypass job that will ruin their work workflow or worse, their data, and ultimately, tarnishing my name, me the one who did that job for a quick buck.
@mrgtmodernretrogamingtech6891 this is something that a majority of the "just use Linux" and "i dumped Microsoft 20 years ago" folks just cannot understand
FYI for people out there new to linux: Pretty much all hardware out there is linux supported. The only problem spots you may have is with Nvidia GPUs as they have limited support. Stick to AMD GPUs and you should be fine.
@@mz7315 I have nvidia on all my computers, I use linux on all my systems. That is false, the thing is that nvidia drivers are proprietary, and AMD are not, but NVIDIA cards are far superior in performance, so that is a trade anyone will have to make, just to make it clear they work just as good everything does work g-sync, fsr, etc.. If you use something like pop OS you even have a nvidia build that will auto upgrade drivers for you when they are released
Well... the discussion is really kinda centering on stuff that is old but not ancient, talking 4-7th gen hardware. And as a hardware reseller, I will tell you, the majority of hardware floating around on the second hand market is 4th-7th gen
@@dragonsystems5973Fair, but is a PC with an Intel i3-2100 still good, I've had this PC for over a decade and considered making a NAS or some form of server, Is that worth the effort? It has a 1tb HDD, which might makes it viable for the options i mentioned.
@@dragonsystems5973 Also, computers don't necessarily need to be ancient to install Linux for. I use Ubuntu Linux on my desktop, it suites all my needs for programming, gaming, and browsing the web, etc. Just like on Windows, but better. And my PC has an i9-13900K, 128 GB DDR5 RAM, and a RX 7900 XTX. Not an ancient PC lol
All Microsoft has done is killed off one of their customers, me. Been using Windows since the days of 3.1 and I've finally had enough. I'm done, I'm out. I can't be the only one who feels this way.
that is why i freaking move to linux almost 6 years ago. PS i kinda wait for this thing to happen because it is going to kill intel's 8th gen and if this processors will be little cheaper with ddr4 ram it is going to be awasome platform for hobbyst home server also if this happens problamy 2nd and 3rd generation of graphic card it is going to be cheaper as well
8th gen is already pretty cheap. I snapped up an HP elitedesk SFF i5 8500/16gigs of ram/256gigs of nvme for 120$. 2x3.5 inch drive bays and 1 2.5 inch drive bay. Probably the cheapest way to get 6 cores without xeons. IGPU with VAAPI (because quicksync for 10th gen and below is depreciated) is great for jellyfin
I will keep running Win10 until games and browsers stop supporting it. After that I just hope that Linux is ready for playing the games I enjoy. I will skip Win11.
@@Baxiljn Perhaps they are. I am not getting a new PC to run Win11 and if I have to tinker with my existing hardware to get it running, I might as well just use Linux instead.
@@Baxiljn Wundows 11 is not worth it. I wish I went with 10 instead every single time there's an update it breaks. Then I have to go through the settings and fix something then 2 days later there's a patch and it breaks again then 2 days after that another patch and it breaks again. If I didn't have a dual bios board my PC would be bricked by 11.
Yup, and the ability to run a current OS is making the machine a lot more useful than it would be if you had to run Windows 7 isnt it? Thats what we are loosing here
@@Rullino32 He plays 1080p on a 42-inch tv pretty well. He will be 7 in January so I will probably try to bump it up a little then with his help. I was informed it is in fact not Fortnite but Lego Fortnite that he plays
Microsoft's standards for CPU requirements for Windows 11 are completely arbitrary and unnecessary. They are creating untold tons of e-waste for noting.
“Windows is not activated” - Average Consumer thinks there is a virus LOL I did a 24H2 Windows 11 update yesterday and it “checked compatibility” again. Uh oh…
This is an absoute godsend. You can buy really nice hardware now for next to nothing. There is even a fully functional Ubuntu distro for 1st gen MS Surface devices!
I'll keep my i7 3770 + GTX 1650 machine going on Windows 10 extended support for $30/year or whatever the price ends up being, if reasonable. It's still very snappy for Photoshop and video editing at 1080p.
Or you could also install Windows 10 LTSC from Massgrave since it'll be supported for much longer, the Enterprise version will be updated up until 2027 and IoT LTSC will be updated up until 2032, there's also a subreddit about it if you have any questions.
totally valid, and I'm sure you're having a great time. but when it comes to the average joe, it's unlikely that they'll go through the installation process and learn how to use Linux (sadly the ease of use and familiarity isn't there yet) also when it comes to gaming it'll depend on the games the person likes (games are getting more and more locked down with anti-cheat especially) the moral is, don't worry about the technical fellas, they'll manage but the average joe, they'll be getting pushed around
@bukh well those people can just run a Live version off a usb drive, they can play and get comfortable with it. I just downloaded the latest Fedora KDE live image to play with on an older piece of hardware still running Win 7.
@@bukh As an average 70 year old joe Linux mint looks like windows 10 for the most part. Anyone that is familiar with windows can find their way around on mint. I'm sure most people can find a helper to get it loaded on their computer and if not, there are tutorials to help with downloading and installing. Running updates is very similar too. As for older people that just want to surf the net, watch RUclips and email or shop its all fairly easy to accomplish. And if all else fails buy a new computer! 🤣
I got an old laptop, which has an i5 2450m CPU (literally slower than a single zen4 core) and after installing super debloated windows 10, it was barely running it, despite having ssd installed with dual channel ram. Also, trying to install GPU drivers has pretty much killed windows... twice. Windows 7 was running a bit better, tho, I couldn't install any new software. After switching to lubuntu 22.04 and disabling all vulnerability mitigations, not only my GPU started working just fine, system is also booting in like 10 seconds. The gaming performance using wine is also better compared to windows. You know you're doing something wrong, when the piece of software which emulates windows environment, runs better than the actual windows.
@@dragonsystems5973 No, the point of my comment was that it's not particularly the hardware's issue, but rather the software one. In this case, windows is so unoptimized and bloated, it's just impossible to use. Speaking of my laptop, I can't upgrade it's gpu which is barely running 15 year old games anyway, so it doesn't really matter.
On these older PCs, Linux will actually be the path of least resistance; so Linux will be, by far, the world's most popular operating system within the next few years. Yes, this means that Steam will start catering more to Linux users than Windows users!
The more "online services" people use the less important it is the os it's running. If you exclude game, anything can run an office suite in a web browser. If printer and scanner are supported, then you've got a perfectly fine computer under Linux.
Microsoft is not a hardware provider but still do not know the logic behind this stupid decision. If they needed extra security, it could have been an auto feature which turns on if it detects proper hardware. Its not that difficult.
I think 10 series NVIDIA is pretty obsolete at this stage 1060 and 1070 doesn't really hold up now the 1080 ti and Titan XP are doing just fine but I think the more hardware Microsoft excludes the more Linux grows. Linux doesn't have a hardware cut off so people can run stuff basically forever on Linux
I use 24H2 on an i7-5500U, everything is working just fine... I would say everything 4th Gen+ is fine for Windows 11, 4th Gen should be the minimum Requirement if Microsoft insists on Minimum Requirements, since 4th Gen Intel CPU's they support AVX2 and this is a really useful feature, without it you can run in basic tasks already in a sluggish experience... So for used PC Marked 4th Gen is totally fine Edit: No joke I'm 1:50m in the Video and he said what I thought damn is the 4790K a great CPU! And the worst thing that could happen is if these Hardware Parts just get thrown away, I wanna save this stuff
Yeah, I mean, it is true eventually hardware reaches the end of its usefulness, but that is deffinitely not the place 4th gen is in, not by a long shot. a 4790K with an RTX 2070 can handle almost anything out there at a playable(framerate) and enjoyably(detail setting) level
For gamers. On Linux. Here is what you need to install. Linux Mint and from Mints Software Manager install>Steam>Wine Experimental>Proton>Heroic Launcher.....Steam will cover Steam Games and Heroic Launcher will cover EPIC and GoG stores. AMD drivers work best so get an AMD card if your Nvidia card sucks. I am playing TONS of WIndows Games in Linux. And once installed games run automatically from either Steam or Heroic launchers without fiddling with any command line code. Like Cyberpunk 2077, Doom Eternal, Stellaris, Timberborn and a ton of others.
don't forget Windows 11 LTSC IoT 2024 doesn't need TPM, Secure Boot, Copilot, Recall, or a Microsoft Account signin and possibly tha only version of W11 to not need those features to operate
True, they try to push crap like Trusted Platform Module and similar shit as mandatory. Also the patches for the various exploits such as Meltdown and Spectre (and others) of course cause MASSIVE performance hit on older CPUs.
Ironically a i7 4790k was about as good as it gets until the 8th generation of intel CPUs unless i/o is somehow more important. But most end users wouldn't know the difference between ssd and Nvme anyway. So that's actually good specs yet.
I just hope Microsoft doesn't do these shenanigans again with a potential Windows 12. The argument for the CPU requirements for Windows 11 was TPM 2.0 & Secure Boot for better security, and I even upgraded my i7-4790K to an i7-12700KF just to make my primary PC compatible with Windows 11. What could be the next CPU feature that could be required for a future Windows? Some kind of AI security function? I just hope that some EU directives would in the next year force Microsoft to make older CPUs official compatible with Windows 11, CPUs without either Secure Boot or TPM 2.0. Do we really want a mountain of e-waste because of older but functioning hardware not being able to run Windows 11, and with Windows 10 soon not getting more security updates? I know many would say "just use Linux", but I'm not that confident that a majority of non-technical people really would want to learn anything new when they've used Windows most of their time with computers. My guess is that this group of people rather would by a new PC instead of learning Linux, and I would not blame them for that.
Shit... I should have had you right the damn script for the video, you have phrased this far better than I ever could, you have hit the nail on the head. You are completely right about non technical people... im reasonably technical, I service what are effectively robots for my day job... I *could* learn Linux, but these people who go on about "just learn linux" seem to have zero respect for the fact that doing so would turn probably many hours of stuff I do each day into "a learning experience" rather than just sitting down and doing it, I dont currently have the time... maybe ill turn it into content, but right now I am focused on making these tech talk videos and hardware videos
Wrong point. Going from 3.1 to 95, re learn everything. Going from 7 to 8 and from 8 to 10, re learn everything. Just choose a différent path, you will re learn only once
Perhaps it would help on how exactly is W11 affecting legacy component's. For example i swapped a SSD who's OS W10 was from an old all in one Pc, i didn't reset that drive, installed it to a new-ish pc and loaded windows 11, while the program loaded a massage pop up indicating the component's are not compatible to W11 that it may not run correctly or not be able to support windows updates, me thinking that the software detected the limitations that the ol pc SSD were the drive came from ,i pushed it along finally installed and OS W11 updated to the newer component's detected it ran fine, this issue got me to think about you conversation and the behaviors of W11 against legacy component's, id like to hear more on your insights on this issue in another video,,thanks for the posted video,,be well.
I switched Os many time between windows 10, 11 and linuxes . Linux works , but to figure stuff out takes so much time. Windows 11 is unstable on the memory core isolation and windows 10 just works .
News to Microsoft - The New Mac Mini is affordable, and most of the existing "old" computers will run some variant of Linux. I won't be going with Windows 11 or Windows 12. Ever.
@dragonsystems5973 That is correct. For 50 dollars alone you can still have a nice smooth running system and skip the requirements for Windows 11 installation like I did. Lol
@@cableapostle I actually bought a Gigabyte X99 UD4 + i7 5960X basically for Funzies a few months ago plus I also have an ASUS X99 Sage + i9 9820X as well… again, funzies :)
I know many people who have Windows laptops and use them offline. They might have max RAM and Storage. They use it to save music, movies, recipes, etc.
Win XP and Win 7 are already part of of the growing Retro Computing Group, Linux runs like The Roadrunner on older hardware (Beep-Beep!) and for folks who like MacOS but prefer older versions or own pre-scam Adobe versions and know who to use them, it's cheap Hackintosh time. Need a low cost Chrome box? There's an x86 version for that. Cheap, perfectly good computers for all! Remember when IBM tried to remodel the emerging PC industry with their line of New! Improved! Incompatible Microchannel architecture? The only vestige left of that debacle are a couple of keyboard/mouse ports these days. This shift could play out very differently than Microsoft thinks.
I get that 4th gen i5 and up is still usable for home use, I also understand that Microsoft would want to drop some legacy support. The issue is that they've picked too recent hardware. A 7th gen i7 is vastly overkill for any and all desktop/office tasks. They should have offered a Windows 11 legacy hardware version with less extreme requirements. Maybe a cutoff at 2nd gen core i3/5/7. All it'd take is compiling that version to not use instructions for those CPU features. Another issue is dropping Windows 10 support too close to Windows 11 release thus leaving the hardware with no supported Windows release. That's fine for Pentium 4 through to first gen core as that hardware is far too old to care about. They could just extend the security support for Windows 10 to the LTSC 2019 one (2029) and nobody would care as then 7th gen would be over 12 years old. it's the same OS anyway, they could deprecate the extra "features" and just offer security updates as they'll be forced to make them anyways. As a side note. Get a nose hair trimmer.
I was looking for a new pc/used pc. I saw anything not readily upgradable to Win 11 selling pretty cheap. I just decided to bite the bullet and buy a new Power Spec from Microcenter with a I5 12400f and a RTX 4060 with 16 gig of DDR4 ram. It was only $750.
@MrModamanReviews this is exactly what I was afraid would happen... its going to drive up the value of the lowest end systems that support 11, and everything that doesn't will become ewaste to everyone except like 5 percent of the most tech savvy users.. for like 99% of people a 4790k with a gtx 1070 is still a computer they would consider fast. If I did not have the money to buy better I'd still be fine with that hardware myself
Well, i got 3 refurbished machines, all dells. Optiolex 990 and a 5040 with a latitude E5470 laptop all at one point or another, ran Windows 11 without issue
I talk to a lot of people about how awful windows 11 is for the PC hardware market, and a lot of people just say "you can get it working if you turn of the tpm requirement" and yes, that's true. But like you said, most people don't want to deal with that. Especially if that causes any system breaking issues in the future. It's just annoying for PC builders when you're trying to build a cheap gaming PC for your friend or something and the only operating system that's supported on that hardware is Linux, which introduces its own nuances.
I'm a gamer and use Fedora Linux daily, but I don't feel Linux is yet in a place where I would want to give/sell my friend a PC with Linux on it. Gaming works really well, but for other tasks it can take some time to figure it out (Specifically office work or photo editing), and if the person isn't willing to learn the OS, it's best to just use windows in my opinion.
@@callisoncaffrey Wow way to make fun of peoples hobbies. Must feel big there hey? Also if Linux is for children then Windows is for people who don't care about their own privacy. Have fun with being spied on from Recall AI when they eventually roll that out to all CPU types and also have fun with those built in ads and lack of customization.
@@SlunkenFist I hate to break it o you, but have you ever heard of "you will own nothing and you will be happy"? Tell me, how many of those games you have on Steam will still work if Steam bans you or it shuts down? Then there is the spyware issue that you have have Steam running while you play, but not only that is enough. I had to allow three additional IPs on average to play any modern game. Why do you think that is? So yeah, any game since 2010 is spyware. How are you any better than the proprietary cultists? Also Windows has been constantly spying on people since windows 10. With 7 it only phoned to the data collecting agencies when you changed something. You just have to run tcpdump or even Microsoft's own NetworkMonitor on Windows itself. People are just upset with Recall, because Microsoft told them. I run OpenBSD mainly. Though not for servers. Oh, and I wrote my own fork of the original Team Fortress, which I obviously play on my (still) Arch box, since it has an Nvidia card, so Gentoo doesn't make any sense there, because musl doesn't work with the proprietary drivers, and I'm not compiling the whole system just to use the same old and bloated components anyway. In case you are wondering, I don't like Arch, even though it runs amazingly well, because of systemd, so the jump from glibc to musl was just natural. Anyway, anything else you like to accuse me of? No, wait! I got more. Are you familiar with the axiom of "get woke, go broke"? Because that's what has been in stores for Linux since 2018. Rust in the kernel is the biggest symptom of that, well, at least it was until Linus himself said he is woke, and since he gave his racist reasoning for being against Russians, when they were kicked out of the Kernel. Oh, wait! The even kicked someone out who didn't like that they kicked out people. So yeah, I give Linux maybe another good 10 years, unless someone drastically changes society. So yeah. Anything else?
@@SlunkenFist i had to edited this a few times for the yt overlords not to make it disappear. so forgive the lalas. I hate to break it to you, but have you ever heard of "you will own nothing and you will be happy"? Tell me, how many of those games you have on Steam will still work if Steam bans you or it shuts down? Then there is the spyware issue that you have have Steam running while you play, but not only that is enough. I had to allow three additional IPs on average to play any modern game. Why do you think that is? So yeah, any game since 2010 is spyware. How are you any better than the proprietary cultists? Also Windows has been constantly spying on people since windows 10. With 7 it only phoned to the data collecting agencies when you changed something. You just have to run tcpdump or even Microsoft's own NetworkMonitor on Windows itself. People are just upset with Recall, because Microsoft told them. I run OpenBSD mainly. Though not for servers. Oh, and I wrote my own fork of the original Team Fortress, which I obviously play on my (still) Arch box, since it has an Nvidia card, so Gentoo doesn't make any sense there, because musl doesn't work with the proprietary drivers, and I'm not compiling the whole system just to use the same old and bloated components anyway. In case you are wondering, I don't like Arch, even though it runs amazingly well, because of systemd, so the jump from glibc to musl was just natural. Anyway, anything else you like to accuse me of? No, wait! I got more. Are you familiar with the axiom of "get lalawokelala, go lalabrokelala"? Because that's what has been in stores for Linux since 2018. Rust in the kernel is the biggest symptom of that, well, at least it was until Linus himself said he is lalawokelala, and since he gave his racist reasoning for being against Russians, when they were kicked out of the Kernel. Oh, wait! The even kicked someone out who didn't like that they kicked out people. So yeah, I give Linux maybe another good 10 years, unless someone drastically changes society. So yeah. Anything else? Oh, right, I wasn't making fun of anyone's hobby. I just said what Linux was for. Stop putting words into my mouth.
Exactly, I doubt there are many things that cannot be made to work, its all just developers actually choosing to support linux as just another option, id be soo down for that
@@Mr.Wiksila My angst is just that they appear to know they cant win on merit, hence why they waited to spring this till they got everyone in a place where there wasnt a great alternative, right now Linux is an alternative, but not a catch all fix
@@dragonsystems5973 hopyfully in time they will be, thini few years back no one didint even think linux and now they atleast have a chance to challenge windows they just needs more 3rd party on their side
After 10 years of windows 10 support MS is finally pulling the plug. You can still run it but it will lack support like all previous version. They can`t support all hardware forever, it`s just a shame it seems so arbitrary. But hey, it just seems time for something else, so they have decided.
I think you really miss the point here. End of support for windows 10 is not the problem. The problem is that Windows 11 supports hardware back at least as far as 4th gen just fine. Microsoft is not satisfied with the natural speed at which the hardware is obsoleting and has decided to step and do what is not happening on its own, and force the hardware to not work with the new os, even though it does just fine as many people here have stated.
@@dragonsystems5973 You can still just run it. Maybe lack of support is not as bad as it seems, still better than running Linux and it`s poisonous community
I am going to be experimenting with linux . I have a old z 440 with a 14 core cpu that runs beautifully livestream and gaming and i am not ready to give it up yet. Maybe setting up a pre installed linux to sell maybe it will encourage Microsoft to stop being monoply bullies .
Just like you, I have been into computers since 2000, 2005. Think about stepping outside the Microsoft Box for once and embrace Linux. Now's the time. The world is changing, soon Microsoft is as relevant as Nokia and Kodak.
@mahzorimipod for sure, i do believe a limit might be near as to what they can do... occasionally i hear rumblings of what comes after silicon as we know it today.. I'll probably do a video.. but yeah, we could get to the point where they are just trying to figure out how to force us to buy stuff we don't need
Its weird to think of that. Graphene was the way of the future, but I doubt it. Also the dumb AI is "making" more fps (Dlss). Its not improving the game. Its generating pictures, not increasing performance. This doesnt improve lack of optimization
@gabrielv.4358 i disagree with you about DLSS, it has shown, when you only lean very lightly on it, to give a solid boost in games like Cyberpunk... I'd have a problem with it being advertised as "just as good" as increased performance, but i see it more as just another tool in the box i can use
And this in a time where everyone is sooo concerned with climate change. I'm sure this doesn't conflict with millions or even billions of people being forced to buy new computers for no reason whatsoever.
Really HP, Dell and other system integrators are going to see a spike in sells in October 2025. Why those 2 are named? Those are what is in physical retail stores that most consumers who just want a machine that will run will get one of those 2 brands.
true,true...but it is not recent i have my old pc listed for 200euro at least 2 y now its a 4th gen xeon i7 4770 equivalent 16 gig of ram rx 570 monitor 2.1 sound system mouse keyboard and no one wants it
The hardware is yours. You have a license to use the unpatched OS. If you are not careful (or there will be a vulnerability that compromises you even if you are careful) your data will be the hacker's.
@Kyanzes there is always someone with a complaint about a video... my general response is if you don't like how I do it, go make your own... its impossible to please everyone... that said, I think im doing a pretty good job of making the videos short and to the point and the thumbnails reasonably representative of the content of the video
At the end of the day it appears they are unhappy with the current speed hardware is natural obsoleting at.... which is incredibly unfortunate because it is in fact amazing people are happy with ten year old hardware, not something that should be punished
And so far I have determined I will have to learn a new photo editor, a new video editor, and most likely at least one of my Elgato capture cards will definitely not work, and it will be hit and miss whether my games will work, each one will require specific troubleshooting. Until I can actually replace Windows with Linux, not merely trade one bad experience for another bad experience, what sense does that make? For the purpose of this channel, the popularity of this topic does appear to demand that I try it, but there is no way I could replace windows with Linux at this time
Windows compares to the state this world is in: WOKE and woke Ai. While I watch this video my yt feed shows a video with title: Microsoft killed windows. They did...
bros in the comments, stop talking about linux. I will only use it when it supports gaming natively without any % of coding. I dont use steam. I will get 10 LTSC and use it till my processor dies.
Maybe they don't want the poor to have computers.
Eat zee bugz!
Eat zee bugz!
Bingo, but manufacturers will still sell them obsolete garbage that barely works, and lasts at most a year before its hardware is completely obsolete.
"you will own nothing and be happy"
There is always Linux...
Its fine… This will only force free os like linux to grow. In the end it may beneficial for everyone.
... only if Linux is not too difficult for the masses.
@@Cyan_Nightingale There are rock solid distros like Mint that are easier to use then windows in my opinion.
@@Cyan_NightingaleLinux is very easy to use, it is just that people say it is hard as coping that they can't adapt to new things
@@Cyan_Nightingale I've been using Linux for over a decade now...
My last job forced me to use Windows 11 for two years... The ridiculous amount of uninformative errors, constant not-responding apps ,unnecessary amount of reboots, lack of a decent package-manager or app-store, settings that reset themselves after an update, etc ... It got me so frustrated, that one day I just stood up walked to my bosses desk and quit on the spot...
One of my next job requirement is a Linux OS, or I don't sign a contract!
@@Cyan_Nightingale Linux is really easy to use if you know how to use a search engine, anyways most people likely just browse the web which is pretty much the same on Linux and Windows.
Watching this on windows 11 installed on non supported hardware.
There are ways to do it... I find that the ones I have tried eventually there are issues after a few months. Its definitely not something like 75%+ of windows users would be able to implement
@@dragonsystems5973 For that reason, Linux will be THE way to go real soon! It seems to me that it will be WAY easier to use Linux than it will be to install Windows 11 on these older PCs.
For Personal Use and Tech Oriented User, it's fine. But for Average Joe and Jane who use it for work and business like my client, I won't risk it. I'd rather lose a customer for declining a Win 11 bypass job that will ruin their work workflow or worse, their data, and ultimately, tarnishing my name, me the one who did that job for a quick buck.
@mrgtmodernretrogamingtech6891 this is something that a majority of the "just use Linux" and "i dumped Microsoft 20 years ago" folks just cannot understand
@@dragonsystems5973 yup sure we can't
Laughs using Linux supported hardware. It'll last as long as it physically does not when Microsoft needs to up its share price.
FYI for people out there new to linux: Pretty much all hardware out there is linux supported. The only problem spots you may have is with Nvidia GPUs as they have limited support. Stick to AMD GPUs and you should be fine.
@@mz7315 AMD GPU's if you want the game. Nvidia GPUs if you also want to do productivity work. In Linux it DOES matter.
@@mz7315 I have nvidia on all my computers, I use linux on all my systems. That is false, the thing is that nvidia drivers are proprietary, and AMD are not, but NVIDIA cards are far superior in performance, so that is a trade anyone will have to make, just to make it clear they work just as good everything does work g-sync, fsr, etc.. If you use something like pop OS you even have a nvidia build that will auto upgrade drivers for you when they are released
Solution: For shiny new computers just install Windows 11. For old and used computers just install Linux on them.
Well... the discussion is really kinda centering on stuff that is old but not ancient, talking 4-7th gen hardware. And as a hardware reseller, I will tell you, the majority of hardware floating around on the second hand market is 4th-7th gen
Either that or Windows 10/11 LTSC in case an app like MS Office or Adobe Suite may not work on Linux.
@@dragonsystems5973Fair, but is a PC with an Intel i3-2100 still good, I've had this PC for over a decade and considered making a NAS or some form of server, Is that worth the effort?
It has a 1tb HDD, which might makes it viable for the options i mentioned.
@@dragonsystems5973 Also, computers don't necessarily need to be ancient to install Linux for. I use Ubuntu Linux on my desktop, it suites all my needs for programming, gaming, and browsing the web, etc. Just like on Windows, but better. And my PC has an i9-13900K, 128 GB DDR5 RAM, and a RX 7900 XTX. Not an ancient PC lol
@@Rullino32 There is free alternatives for Adobe
All Microsoft has done is killed off one of their customers, me. Been using Windows since the days of 3.1 and I've finally had enough. I'm done, I'm out. I can't be the only one who feels this way.
Maybe they will cry a river.
Untouchable syndrome destroyed many empires.
indeed, as soon as support drops bye windows
Linux is now more user friendly and runs great even on a potato PC...
that is why i freaking move to linux almost 6 years ago.
PS i kinda wait for this thing to happen because it is going to kill intel's 8th gen and if this processors will be little cheaper with ddr4 ram it is going to be awasome platform for hobbyst home server also if this happens problamy 2nd and 3rd generation of graphic card it is going to be cheaper as well
8th gen is the baseline for 11, its everything old than 8th gen on the chopping block
8th gen is already pretty cheap. I snapped up an HP elitedesk SFF i5 8500/16gigs of ram/256gigs of nvme for 120$. 2x3.5 inch drive bays and 1 2.5 inch drive bay. Probably the cheapest way to get 6 cores without xeons. IGPU with VAAPI (because quicksync for 10th gen and below is depreciated) is great for jellyfin
I will keep running Win10 until games and browsers stop supporting it. After that I just hope that Linux is ready for playing the games I enjoy. I will skip Win11.
Good thing that 10 and 11 are quite similar under the hood.
@@Baxiljn Perhaps they are. I am not getting a new PC to run Win11 and if I have to tinker with my existing hardware to get it running, I might as well just use Linux instead.
@@Baxiljn Wundows 11 is not worth it. I wish I went with 10 instead every single time there's an update it breaks. Then I have to go through the settings and fix something then 2 days later there's a patch and it breaks again then 2 days after that another patch and it breaks again. If I didn't have a dual bios board my PC would be bricked by 11.
@@BaxiljnAt least I can disable update on Windows 10 by software.
Linux is already great option for gaming and more, you can expect smooth transition
I built a 6-year-old a Fortnite machine for $65. AMD 2700X, a cyberpower case, B350 Gigabyte Motherboard, 16GB Ram, and OEM 1070 from an estate sale.
Yup, and the ability to run a current OS is making the machine a lot more useful than it would be if you had to run Windows 7 isnt it? Thats what we are loosing here
Does it hold up well even after the release of Unreal Engine 5?
@@Rullino32 He plays 1080p on a 42-inch tv pretty well. He will be 7 in January so I will probably try to bump it up a little then with his help. I was informed it is in fact not Fortnite but Lego Fortnite that he plays
Here in Sweden, only a used 1070 approx. 100-130 USD converted.
@@Avicularia69 Oh I got lucky there is no doubt.
I bet a lot of used systems will be sold wt Linux on them....
Microsoft's standards for CPU requirements for Windows 11 are completely arbitrary and unnecessary. They are creating untold tons of e-waste for noting.
“Windows is not activated” - Average Consumer thinks there is a virus LOL
I did a 24H2 Windows 11 update yesterday and it “checked compatibility” again. Uh oh…
Yeah, I mean, for my own builds fun and games are fine, but I cannot in good faith sell a machine with such questionable long term OS viability.
i'm the first pirate mind you but, you really don't activate it? it's even 1 euros in some keys websites lol
i wont get it activated on a random laptop i got for free that is 10 years old. it just doesnt make sense
@@WeatherMan2005 Why not activate it? It takes less than a minute to do it for free.
@@Jon717 wdym free? It costs money to buy a key for it
This is an absoute godsend. You can buy really nice hardware now for next to nothing. There is even a fully functional Ubuntu distro for 1st gen MS Surface devices!
I'll keep my i7 3770 + GTX 1650 machine going on Windows 10 extended support for $30/year or whatever the price ends up being, if reasonable. It's still very snappy for Photoshop and video editing at 1080p.
Or you could also install Windows 10 LTSC from Massgrave since it'll be supported for much longer, the Enterprise version will be updated up until 2027 and IoT LTSC will be updated up until 2032, there's also a subreddit about it if you have any questions.
@@Rullino32 Good call. Totally an option.
This is what they want you to do. A Windows subscription because the new OS sucks .
Instead of buying new hardware, I installed Fedora a while back and doing everything as I was used to. Windows gone out of window.
totally valid, and I'm sure you're having a great time.
but when it comes to the average joe, it's unlikely that they'll go through the installation process and learn how to use Linux (sadly the ease of use and familiarity isn't there yet)
also when it comes to gaming it'll depend on the games the person likes (games are getting more and more locked down with anti-cheat especially)
the moral is, don't worry about the technical fellas, they'll manage
but the average joe, they'll be getting pushed around
@bukh well those people can just run a Live version off a usb drive, they can play and get comfortable with it. I just downloaded the latest Fedora KDE live image to play with on an older piece of hardware still running Win 7.
@@bukh As an average 70 year old joe Linux mint looks like windows 10 for the most part. Anyone that is familiar with windows can find their way around on mint. I'm sure most people can find a helper to get it loaded on their computer and if not, there are tutorials to help with downloading and installing. Running updates is very similar too. As for older people that just want to surf the net, watch RUclips and email or shop its all fairly easy to accomplish. And if all else fails buy a new computer! 🤣
@@michaelkeudel8770 Good point, I agree that's how I started with linux distros too.
you're just a r3trded person.
I got an old laptop, which has an i5 2450m CPU (literally slower than a single zen4 core) and after installing super debloated windows 10, it was barely running it, despite having ssd installed with dual channel ram. Also, trying to install GPU drivers has pretty much killed windows... twice. Windows 7 was running a bit better, tho, I couldn't install any new software. After switching to lubuntu 22.04 and disabling all vulnerability mitigations, not only my GPU started working just fine, system is also booting in like 10 seconds. The gaming performance using wine is also better compared to windows. You know you're doing something wrong, when the piece of software which emulates windows environment, runs better than the actual windows.
@gh2286 I find 4th gen to be the cutoff for being useful and not feeling slow if properly configured
@@dragonsystems5973 No, the point of my comment was that it's not particularly the hardware's issue, but rather the software one. In this case, windows is so unoptimized and bloated, it's just impossible to use. Speaking of my laptop, I can't upgrade it's gpu which is barely running 15 year old games anyway, so it doesn't really matter.
My laptop is a i3 2330m cpu and run Linux mint on it. Runs great!
@@northof49 disable meltdown and spectre mitigations and install real time 5.x kernel to make it much faster
On these older PCs, Linux will actually be the path of least resistance; so Linux will be, by far, the world's most popular operating system within the next few years. Yes, this means that Steam will start catering more to Linux users than Windows users!
i doubt windows will drop below 50% of all os marketshare. not saying linux wont grow of course. that could be good
This dude thinks the world is made of Microsoft Windows.
The more "online services" people use the less important it is the os it's running. If you exclude game, anything can run an office suite in a web browser. If printer and scanner are supported, then you've got a perfectly fine computer under Linux.
Microsoft is not a hardware provider but still do not know the logic behind this stupid decision. If they needed extra security, it could have been an auto feature which turns on if it detects proper hardware. Its not that difficult.
I think 10 series NVIDIA is pretty obsolete at this stage 1060 and 1070 doesn't really hold up now the 1080 ti and Titan XP are doing just fine but I think the more hardware Microsoft excludes the more Linux grows. Linux doesn't have a hardware cut off so people can run stuff basically forever on Linux
I use 24H2 on an i7-5500U, everything is working just fine... I would say everything 4th Gen+ is fine for Windows 11, 4th Gen should be the minimum Requirement if Microsoft insists on Minimum Requirements, since 4th Gen Intel CPU's they support AVX2 and this is a really useful feature, without it you can run in basic tasks already in a sluggish experience... So for used PC Marked 4th Gen is totally fine
Edit: No joke I'm 1:50m in the Video and he said what I thought damn is the 4790K a great CPU!
And the worst thing that could happen is if these Hardware Parts just get thrown away, I wanna save this stuff
Yeah, I mean, it is true eventually hardware reaches the end of its usefulness, but that is deffinitely not the place 4th gen is in, not by a long shot. a 4790K with an RTX 2070 can handle almost anything out there at a playable(framerate) and enjoyably(detail setting) level
For gamers. On Linux. Here is what you need to install. Linux Mint and from Mints Software Manager install>Steam>Wine Experimental>Proton>Heroic Launcher.....Steam will cover Steam Games and Heroic Launcher will cover EPIC and GoG stores. AMD drivers work best so get an AMD card if your Nvidia card sucks.
I am playing TONS of WIndows Games in Linux. And once installed games run automatically from either Steam or Heroic launchers without fiddling with any command line code.
Like Cyberpunk 2077, Doom Eternal, Stellaris, Timberborn and a ton of others.
Fortunately, we can still install Linux distros to run the hardware until it dies
don't forget Windows 11 LTSC IoT 2024 doesn't need TPM, Secure Boot, Copilot, Recall, or a Microsoft Account signin and possibly tha only version of W11 to not need those features to operate
True, they try to push crap like Trusted Platform Module and similar shit as mandatory. Also the patches for the various exploits such as Meltdown and Spectre (and others) of course cause MASSIVE performance hit on older CPUs.
Ironically a i7 4790k was about as good as it gets until the 8th generation of intel CPUs unless i/o is somehow more important. But most end users wouldn't know the difference between ssd and Nvme anyway. So that's actually good specs yet.
I just hope Microsoft doesn't do these shenanigans again with a potential Windows 12. The argument for the CPU requirements for Windows 11 was TPM 2.0 & Secure Boot for better security, and I even upgraded my i7-4790K to an i7-12700KF just to make my primary PC compatible with Windows 11.
What could be the next CPU feature that could be required for a future Windows? Some kind of AI security function? I just hope that some EU directives would in the next year force Microsoft to make older CPUs official compatible with Windows 11, CPUs without either Secure Boot or TPM 2.0. Do we really want a mountain of e-waste because of older but functioning hardware not being able to run Windows 11, and with Windows 10 soon not getting more security updates?
I know many would say "just use Linux", but I'm not that confident that a majority of non-technical people really would want to learn anything new when they've used Windows most of their time with computers. My guess is that this group of people rather would by a new PC instead of learning Linux, and I would not blame them for that.
Shit... I should have had you right the damn script for the video, you have phrased this far better than I ever could, you have hit the nail on the head. You are completely right about non technical people... im reasonably technical, I service what are effectively robots for my day job... I *could* learn Linux, but these people who go on about "just learn linux" seem to have zero respect for the fact that doing so would turn probably many hours of stuff I do each day into "a learning experience" rather than just sitting down and doing it, I dont currently have the time... maybe ill turn it into content, but right now I am focused on making these tech talk videos and hardware videos
Wrong point. Going from 3.1 to 95, re learn everything. Going from 7 to 8 and from 8 to 10, re learn everything. Just choose a différent path, you will re learn only once
Perhaps it would help on how exactly is W11 affecting legacy component's.
For example i swapped a SSD who's OS W10 was from an old all in one Pc, i didn't reset that drive, installed it to a new-ish pc and loaded windows 11, while the program loaded a massage pop up indicating the component's are not compatible to W11 that it may not run correctly or not be able to support windows updates, me thinking that the software detected the limitations that the ol pc SSD were the drive came from ,i pushed it along finally installed and OS W11 updated to the newer component's detected it ran fine, this issue got me to think about you conversation and the behaviors of W11 against legacy component's, id like to hear more on your insights on this issue in another video,,thanks for the posted video,,be well.
I switched Os many time between windows 10, 11 and linuxes . Linux works , but to figure stuff out takes so much time. Windows 11 is unstable on the memory core isolation and windows 10 just works .
News to Microsoft - The New Mac Mini is affordable, and most of the existing "old" computers will run some variant of Linux. I won't be going with Windows 11 or Windows 12. Ever.
My i7 5930K is still smooth AF. 6 cores is still plenty and I got her at 4 GHz just fine. I built my rig in 2015.
@@cableapostle just FYI, 5960xs can be had for sometimes sub $50
@dragonsystems5973 That is correct. For 50 dollars alone you can still have a nice smooth running system and skip the requirements for Windows 11 installation like I did. Lol
@@cableapostle I actually bought a Gigabyte X99 UD4 + i7 5960X basically for Funzies a few months ago plus I also have an ASUS X99 Sage + i9 9820X as well… again, funzies :)
I know many people who have Windows laptops and use them offline. They might have max RAM and Storage. They use it to save music, movies, recipes, etc.
Win XP and Win 7 are already part of of the growing Retro Computing Group, Linux runs like The Roadrunner on older hardware (Beep-Beep!) and for folks who like MacOS but prefer older versions or own pre-scam Adobe versions and know who to use them, it's cheap Hackintosh time. Need a low cost Chrome box? There's an x86 version for that. Cheap, perfectly good computers for all!
Remember when IBM tried to remodel the emerging PC industry with their line of New! Improved! Incompatible Microchannel architecture? The only vestige left of that debacle are a couple of keyboard/mouse ports these days. This shift could play out very differently than Microsoft thinks.
I get that 4th gen i5 and up is still usable for home use, I also understand that Microsoft would want to drop some legacy support. The issue is that they've picked too recent hardware. A 7th gen i7 is vastly overkill for any and all desktop/office tasks. They should have offered a Windows 11 legacy hardware version with less extreme requirements. Maybe a cutoff at 2nd gen core i3/5/7. All it'd take is compiling that version to not use instructions for those CPU features.
Another issue is dropping Windows 10 support too close to Windows 11 release thus leaving the hardware with no supported Windows release. That's fine for Pentium 4 through to first gen core as that hardware is far too old to care about. They could just extend the security support for Windows 10 to the LTSC 2019 one (2029) and nobody would care as then 7th gen would be over 12 years old. it's the same OS anyway, they could deprecate the extra "features" and just offer security updates as they'll be forced to make them anyways.
As a side note. Get a nose hair trimmer.
I was looking for a new pc/used pc. I saw anything not readily upgradable to Win 11 selling pretty cheap. I just decided to bite the bullet and buy a new Power Spec from Microcenter with a I5 12400f and a RTX 4060 with 16 gig of DDR4 ram. It was only $750.
@MrModamanReviews this is exactly what I was afraid would happen... its going to drive up the value of the lowest end systems that support 11, and everything that doesn't will become ewaste to everyone except like 5 percent of the most tech savvy users.. for like 99% of people a 4790k with a gtx 1070 is still a computer they would consider fast. If I did not have the money to buy better I'd still be fine with that hardware myself
All the more reason for you to hustle linux now
I hope Huawei makes its coming PC OS, Harmony OS, available for general use.
Well, i got 3 refurbished machines, all dells.
Optiolex 990 and a 5040 with a latitude E5470 laptop all at one point or another, ran Windows 11 without issue
I talk to a lot of people about how awful windows 11 is for the PC hardware market, and a lot of people just say "you can get it working if you turn of the tpm requirement" and yes, that's true. But like you said, most people don't want to deal with that. Especially if that causes any system breaking issues in the future. It's just annoying for PC builders when you're trying to build a cheap gaming PC for your friend or something and the only operating system that's supported on that hardware is Linux, which introduces its own nuances.
I am not a gamer but understand gaming is becoming a thing with Linux now. Some distros are better than others too.
I'm a gamer and use Fedora Linux daily, but I don't feel Linux is yet in a place where I would want to give/sell my friend a PC with Linux on it. Gaming works really well, but for other tasks it can take some time to figure it out (Specifically office work or photo editing), and if the person isn't willing to learn the OS, it's best to just use windows in my opinion.
if this accelerates the arrival of an easy gui linux for us then I am all for it.
been thinking about getting another m.2 to dual boot linux anyway
Dropped Windows for Linux over a decade ago. I also play AAA games. I use Arch BTW...
Cool. It's very important that every Arch user always has to mention that they use Arch.
Linux is for children and video games. Case in point.
@@callisoncaffrey Wow way to make fun of peoples hobbies. Must feel big there hey? Also if Linux is for children then Windows is for people who don't care about their own privacy. Have fun with being spied on from Recall AI when they eventually roll that out to all CPU types and also have fun with those built in ads and lack of customization.
@@SlunkenFist I hate to break it o you, but have you ever heard of "you will own nothing and you will be happy"? Tell me, how many of those games you have on Steam will still work if Steam bans you or it shuts down?
Then there is the spyware issue that you have have Steam running while you play, but not only that is enough. I had to allow three additional IPs on average to play any modern game. Why do you think that is? So yeah, any game since 2010 is spyware. How are you any better than the proprietary cultists?
Also Windows has been constantly spying on people since windows 10. With 7 it only phoned to the data collecting agencies when you changed something. You just have to run tcpdump or even Microsoft's own NetworkMonitor on Windows itself. People are just upset with Recall, because Microsoft told them.
I run OpenBSD mainly. Though not for servers.
Oh, and I wrote my own fork of the original Team Fortress, which I obviously play on my (still) Arch box, since it has an Nvidia card, so Gentoo doesn't make any sense there, because musl doesn't work with the proprietary drivers, and I'm not compiling the whole system just to use the same old and bloated components anyway.
In case you are wondering, I don't like Arch, even though it runs amazingly well, because of systemd, so the jump from glibc to musl was just natural.
Anyway, anything else you like to accuse me of?
No, wait! I got more. Are you familiar with the axiom of "get woke, go broke"? Because that's what has been in stores for Linux since 2018. Rust in the kernel is the biggest symptom of that, well, at least it was until Linus himself said he is woke, and since he gave his racist reasoning for being against Russians, when they were kicked out of the Kernel. Oh, wait! The even kicked someone out who didn't like that they kicked out people. So yeah, I give Linux maybe another good 10 years, unless someone drastically changes society.
So yeah. Anything else?
@@SlunkenFist i had to edited this a few times for the yt overlords not to make it disappear. so forgive the lalas.
I hate to break it to you, but have you ever heard of "you will own nothing and you will be happy"? Tell me, how many of those games you have on Steam will still work if Steam bans you or it shuts down?
Then there is the spyware issue that you have have Steam running while you play, but not only that is enough. I had to allow three additional IPs on average to play any modern game. Why do you think that is? So yeah, any game since 2010 is spyware. How are you any better than the proprietary cultists?
Also Windows has been constantly spying on people since windows 10. With 7 it only phoned to the data collecting agencies when you changed something. You just have to run tcpdump or even Microsoft's own NetworkMonitor on Windows itself. People are just upset with Recall, because Microsoft told them.
I run OpenBSD mainly. Though not for servers.
Oh, and I wrote my own fork of the original Team Fortress, which I obviously play on my (still) Arch box, since it has an Nvidia card, so Gentoo doesn't make any sense there, because musl doesn't work with the proprietary drivers, and I'm not compiling the whole system just to use the same old and bloated components anyway.
In case you are wondering, I don't like Arch, even though it runs amazingly well, because of systemd, so the jump from glibc to musl was just natural.
Anyway, anything else you like to accuse me of?
No, wait! I got more. Are you familiar with the axiom of "get lalawokelala, go lalabrokelala"? Because that's what has been in stores for Linux since 2018. Rust in the kernel is the biggest symptom of that, well, at least it was until Linus himself said he is lalawokelala, and since he gave his racist reasoning for being against Russians, when they were kicked out of the Kernel. Oh, wait! The even kicked someone out who didn't like that they kicked out people. So yeah, I give Linux maybe another good 10 years, unless someone drastically changes society.
So yeah. Anything else?
Oh, right, I wasn't making fun of anyone's hobby. I just said what Linux was for. Stop putting words into my mouth.
Market is flooding computers that don't run Windows, so we can have free computers for Debian users.
Microsoft solving scalability issues for modern world
Maybe this make more devs adapt more apps for linux that would be a W in my books
Exactly, I doubt there are many things that cannot be made to work, its all just developers actually choosing to support linux as just another option, id be soo down for that
@dragonsystems5973 windows 11 would be my last windows pc at that point
@@Mr.Wiksila My angst is just that they appear to know they cant win on merit, hence why they waited to spring this till they got everyone in a place where there wasnt a great alternative, right now Linux is an alternative, but not a catch all fix
@@dragonsystems5973 hopyfully in time they will be, thini few years back no one didint even think linux and now they atleast have a chance to challenge windows they just needs more 3rd party on their side
Just preload them all with Linux.
My system was built in 2014 and it is still good.
After 10 years of windows 10 support MS is finally pulling the plug.
You can still run it but it will lack support like all previous version.
They can`t support all hardware forever, it`s just a shame it seems so arbitrary.
But hey, it just seems time for something else, so they have decided.
I think you really miss the point here. End of support for windows 10 is not the problem. The problem is that Windows 11 supports hardware back at least as far as 4th gen just fine. Microsoft is not satisfied with the natural speed at which the hardware is obsoleting and has decided to step and do what is not happening on its own, and force the hardware to not work with the new os, even though it does just fine as many people here have stated.
@@dragonsystems5973 You can still just run it.
Maybe lack of support is not as bad as it seems, still better than running Linux and it`s poisonous community
watching this on a laptop that's about 10 years old. windows 10.
It's all about the Pentiums baby!
If I have to upgrade a a high-end specs to use Windows, then why not big Mac?
msoft its plan to change from open system to close like apple with the macbook already publish the ISO for arm systems
@@BlitzkriegGT that appears to be a thing, yes
I am going to be experimenting with linux . I have a old z 440 with a 14 core cpu that runs beautifully livestream and gaming and i am not ready to give it up yet. Maybe setting up a pre installed linux to sell maybe it will encourage Microsoft to stop being monoply bullies .
Just like you, I have been into computers since 2000, 2005. Think about stepping outside the Microsoft Box for once and embrace Linux. Now's the time. The world is changing, soon Microsoft is as relevant as Nokia and Kodak.
this is going to be even crazier as time goes on and silicon continues to stagnate
@mahzorimipod for sure, i do believe a limit might be near as to what they can do... occasionally i hear rumblings of what comes after silicon as we know it today.. I'll probably do a video.. but yeah, we could get to the point where they are just trying to figure out how to force us to buy stuff we don't need
Its weird to think of that. Graphene was the way of the future, but I doubt it. Also the dumb AI is "making" more fps (Dlss). Its not improving the game. Its generating pictures, not increasing performance. This doesnt improve lack of optimization
@gabrielv.4358 i disagree with you about DLSS, it has shown, when you only lean very lightly on it, to give a solid boost in games like Cyberpunk... I'd have a problem with it being advertised as "just as good" as increased performance, but i see it more as just another tool in the box i can use
@@dragonsystems5973 Hey, I dont disagree! But as I mentioned, it generates images, not more frames.
Im still running at 12600k and a gtx 1080 and it runs everything great
@@tootalltoft35 that is effectively a current gen platform
And this in a time where everyone is sooo concerned with climate change. I'm sure this doesn't conflict with millions or even billions of people being forced to buy new computers for no reason whatsoever.
*Rufus.
Nobody is buying Haswell machines for 400 bucks. There are nearly new 12th gen and 13th gen towers with GTX 1660s for that price now. NEW.
@tonysteele3805 who said they where?
Really HP, Dell and other system integrators are going to see a spike in sells in October 2025. Why those 2 are named? Those are what is in physical retail stores that most consumers who just want a machine that will run will get one of those 2 brands.
Yup, and regardless of work arounds, those people are not going to do that, they just want their stuff to work
true,true...but it is not recent i have my old pc listed for 200euro at least 2 y now its a 4th gen xeon i7 4770 equivalent 16 gig of ram rx 570 monitor 2.1 sound system mouse keyboard and no one wants it
Nope, there's always Linux to jump to, MS can pound sand.
All the more reason to use Linux!!
windows 10 iot enterprise LSTC 2021 support until 2032
The question is, whose computer is it?
The hardware is yours. You have a license to use the unpatched OS.
If you are not careful (or there will be a vulnerability that compromises you even if you are careful) your data will be the hacker's.
EXACTLY!!!! "You will own nothing and be happy"
This was hard to watch
Why?
@Kyanzes there is always someone with a complaint about a video... my general response is if you don't like how I do it, go make your own... its impossible to please everyone... that said, I think im doing a pretty good job of making the videos short and to the point and the thumbnails reasonably representative of the content of the video
Linux will finally go mainstream!
Use linux, pop os and be happy
What ENFORCED hardware restrictions, call yourself an expert, 22h2 and 24h2 runs perfectly on my 14 Yo Toshiba laptop Why cant you do it?
All for profit.
At the end of the day it appears they are unhappy with the current speed hardware is natural obsoleting at.... which is incredibly unfortunate because it is in fact amazing people are happy with ten year old hardware, not something that should be punished
Switch to linux mint 22.
And so far I have determined I will have to learn a new photo editor, a new video editor, and most likely at least one of my Elgato capture cards will definitely not work, and it will be hit and miss whether my games will work, each one will require specific troubleshooting. Until I can actually replace Windows with Linux, not merely trade one bad experience for another bad experience, what sense does that make? For the purpose of this channel, the popularity of this topic does appear to demand that I try it, but there is no way I could replace windows with Linux at this time
Not exactly.
Microsoft is actually trying to force users to go AMD.
@@ThunderTheYellowJolteon okkkk mind elaborating?? Cause what they are doing affects older AMD hardware too
@@dragonsystems5973 ...What?
What AMD CPUs are Microsoft trying to kill?
@@ThunderTheYellowJolteon Pretty support for Ryzen only goes back to 3000 series
@@dragonsystems5973 Glad it's not the 4000 or 5000 series.
I have laptop that has intel i7 10th generation cpu
Hmmmm.... I suspect this most likely is not a problem for you... though other... *shortcomings* might be..
Linux just got more popular! 😁
ty very much
@@EricDiliello just sharing my feelings on the matter, I'm glad I'm not the only one
Windows compares to the state this world is in: WOKE and woke Ai.
While I watch this video my yt feed shows a video with title: Microsoft killed windows.
They did...
bros in the comments, stop talking about linux. I will only use it when it supports gaming natively without any % of coding. I dont use steam.
I will get 10 LTSC and use it till my processor dies.
Serious users do other things than just gaming on cracked softwares, kiddo
@@CaptainDangeax But "serious users" wont use linux until the any% of coding is fixed. Period
@@gabrielv.4358 2/3 of the cloud run Linux. 100% of top500 run Linux. NASA and CERN run Linux. No more to say, kiddo
@@CaptainDangeax I'm not a kid. I'm saying that the average user will not use it until there is only ONE that is literally Windows-like. Which is sad.
There is always Troonix.
one of many reasons why i have installed , learned and have been enjoying linux for about a year .. BYE BILL lol