One other thing that irks me is the song “The First Noel” more specifically the part on “on a cold winter’s night that was so deep” that completely makes no sense because 1. As mentioned in the video “Joshua” would have been born in Spring not winter, 2. They are in the middle east so snow would have been highly unlikely even if it were winter,
The fact that very little is written in Scripture about Jesus' birth, including the date, proves the entire event is insignificant, and was never expected to be celebrated by Christ's followers.
You can pretty much say that about most people's birthdays. The fact that most birthdays aren't written in a holy book proves that birthdays in general are insignificant and were never expected to be celebrated. Except that most people do put special significance on their birthdays. Some don't work on their birthday. Some take cakes to work, some have parties. Now we know for a fact that birthdays were celebrated from Genesis. Pharaoh had a birthday. In the NT Herod had a birthday celebration. It's not a stretch to assume that birthday celebrations were a common thing. So why not celebrate Jesus birthday? The angels certainly did
@@TheMeefive because he never asked for it to be celebrated.... He gave two things to remember him by, communion and baptism. For which christians seem to discount to focus upon the man made holidays of Christmas and Easter. 🙄
@@Lutherson1962 I don't understand what you mean by Christians seem to discount communion and baptism. Most churches I know keep these ordinances. When Jesus gave commands it was for Christians to not neglect the things he commanded. He didn't give commands for us to exempt everything else. For instance we celebrate Father's Day, Mother's Day, Thanksgiving. We have Youth Sundays, Men's Sundays, Women's Sundays, Pastoral anniversaries, Pastoral installation services etc... None of these were commanded by Jesus but neither were any of them forbidden. The argument that something is wrong because Jesus didn't command it, doesn't make sense.
@@Lutherson1962 You say "christians" and you're close. Capital C Christians celebrate Christmas and Easter, and the ordinances of baptism and the Lord's Supper. People who go to church only for Christmas and Easter aren't capital C Christians. CEOs, submarines, there are many names for them, but Christian isn't one.
Regarding the Thames Frost Fayres. Whilst the climate was slightly colder in Dickens' time it should be noted that some of reason why the Thames froze-over was because it was much wider and so slower-flowing than today. Dickens wrote a Chistmas Carol in 1843. While the Medieval London Bridge existed (which was until 1831) it acted as a constraint to the flow of the Thames thereby further slowing the flow of the river. This in turn also made it more likely that it would freeze-over.
I don't know anyone in the U.S. who has turkey on Christmas Day. I guess some people do, but most people are stilled turkeyed-out from Thanksgiving. In my family, we always had ham (except for one aunt, who always made spaghetti).
In Germany the Christmas decoration are generally taken down around January 6th, when we celebrate the Three Wise Men being at the cradle. That is generally seen as the end of Christmas celebrations.
Incorrect when it comes to the main dish in Sweden. At least for most place in these modern times in the Christmas Ham. Fish however is common but often seen more as a side dish. Note that in Sweden there is a seasonal version of the smörgåsbord called a Jubbord, the buffet we are known for, where you get everything from Ham to Fish to porridge and to whatever else you can think of. That more than anything is the central experience of Swedish cuisine during the season. Of course, this is often eaten multiple time during the season. And different families have different traditions. Especially what is on that smörgåsbord. Edit: To make this a bit more complicated. The Julbord is generally eaten later in the evening. It is not uncommon for there to be a traditional dinner too but it a more minor thing in the middle of the day. And I guess that it more likely to have the main course be fish then. But this dinner is more minor event compared to the Julbord. Again, different families may have different traditions.
In the Roman Catholic Church, the Season of Advent begins on the 4th Sunday before December 25; thus Advent can last as long as 4 full weeks (in those years when Dec 25 falls on a Sunday) or as short as 3 weeks and 1 day (when Dec 25 falls on a Monday).
English Christmas- the Turkey on Christmas thing is English , in America it varies regionally or depending on the family’s cultural background very widely . There’s no set menu like Thanksgiving, also some families do the big dinner on Christmas Eve
The “Jesus never existed” is pretty silly. Jesus has different names and pronunciation in every language. So has every single other person in the Bible. It’s more of an adaptation of a name from another language than it is an interpretation.
Jingle Bells is really the first "hot rod" song. The main character goes around with a different woman in each verse trying to impress her with his ride. Also not Cjristmas music are Let It Snow, Winter Wonderland, and Handel's Messiah (whicg was commissioned to celebrate Easter).
The Saturnalia myth is splitting hairs. While both co-existed uncomfortably for some time, many of the Saturnalia traditions got absorbed into Christmas. Jeremiah 10: 3-4 tells readers not to cut down trees, decorate it, and nail it to walls like the heathens (paraphrasing), which is exactly what they did in Saturnalia. It's worth noting that Jeremiah was written around 500 years ACE. It seems a lot of these traditions got absorbed by each other over the centuries depending what gods were being served at the time.
Your “paraphrasing” Jeremiah 10 to say what it doesn’t even say. It’s describing the crafting of an idol out of wood plated in precious metals. Not nailing a tree to a wall. Where in the process of making a Christmas tree does a “craftsman shape it with his chisel” ??? they cut a tree out of the forest, and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel. 4 They adorn it with silver and gold; they fasten it with hammer and nails so it will not totter. 5 Like a scarecrow in a cucumber field, their idols cannot speak; they must be carried because they cannot walk. Do not fear them; they can do no harm nor can they do any good.
I like how Santa is looked at strictly as a fable (unless you're a kid) because who could visit every house in the world in only one night but a magical sky wizard who can read your thoughts isn't.
What is it that offends Christians? Everyone understands that the purpose of Christmas is to commemorate the birth of Jesus Christ. Russian Orthodox celebrate it in January, while some Christians do not, and the Philippines Catholic Church celebrates Christmas for five months.
You note that early Christians agreed on the date of "annunciation". Is there any information to be found on how they decided that date? I.e., what information they used to deduce it. For example, Easter's date is basically calculated from the story of the Last Supper, which is believed to have been a part of the pass over observance (at least, that's my understanding... I guess that could be another myth).
Also no adjustment made for the switch from the Julian calendar to the Gregorian? I mean, the early Christians were definitely not using the Gregorian calendar, were they?
The belief that Jesus had a perfect number of years and was therefore either born or conceived on the day he died , was common in a number of educated Christians in the third century at least. There’s not hardly a month that hasn’t been proposed as Jesus’s birthday month. But before it was settled people usually believed it to be around Passover or around nine months after Passover. In 221 Julius Africanus places Jesus’s conception at March 25 1 BCE which would mean nine months later is December 25. Hippolytus writing at almost the same time in 222 CE puts the date Jesus died, the Passover of 29 CE, March 25. But he also said the beginning or Γένεσις of Christ was April 2 in another note. (Γένεσις is a word that it is debated whether it means “ beginning , origin, becoming” as in conception or birth. From other contemporaries it can be argued it was generally believed to mean conception. Some held that January 6 was the birth date and it could be they used the April 2nd date to calculate this. (Once again April 2nd-January 6th is 280 days, precisely nine months) Hippolytus was working with limited knowledge of the Jewish lunar calendar and got it three years off. But his dates got widespread enough to be carved in stone so you can assume it was accepted by many people . On the Julian Calendar March 25 was the vernal equinox and December 25 was the winter solstice. So there could have been some cosmological reasons for putting it at those dates as well. The Eastern Orthodox keep Christmas at January 7. That may also be because they were contrary about how to date Christmas after the switch from Julian to Gregorian calendar in 1582 , everything shifted 13 days . The Catholic Church chose to keep the December 25 date that it was on Julian Calendar, but on the Gregorian Calendar. The Eastern Orthodox churches felt it more “accurate” to move it to 13 days later because December 25 on the Julian Calendar is January 7 on the Gregorian calendar. I hope that makes sense? It is confusing because earlier in history many did also observe Jesus’s birth and his baptism on Jan 6 on the Julian calendar , especially in Alexandria. But that’s not directly tied to why the Eastern Orthodox churches observe it on Jan 7 now. The change in calendars happened gradually over the 15th-17th centuries so it’s not relevant to discussions on third century Christianity determining the computus for christmas
Also of note , I forgot to say , it’s definitely in the gospel texts that Jesus died on Passover, 15 of Nisan on the Jewish calendar (but which year is debatable). Matthew 26:2 “You know that the Passover is two days away-and the Son of Man will be handed over to be crucified” Regardless of whether it actually happened it was canon as early as the first century when the gospels were written down. It was universally accepted that that was the date. (Though the gospel of John says the day before Passover technically “the Day of Preparation” , 14 Nisan) Sorry to overwhelm you with information. When I deconstructed from my faith I was left with a lot of knowledge that’s useless now mostly and I bring it up with my family on holidays but they hate it
Celebration of birthdays is an aspect of life that varies widely across cultures, so it's not surprising that a culture might not think to celebrate Jesus' "birthday" and another, after becoming Christian, would prefer to do so. Birthdays of prominent figures are also often celebrated, or at least historically were, on specially chosen days not the actual DOB of that person- it's very common for royalty and is still the case for the British monarch today. Not at all shocking. Although I could see an argument from a Christian perspective that Easter is FAR more important, since it represents the fulfillment of Jesus' putative mission and the establishment of his new covenant between man and creator. But Christmas is a happier notion and we're a VERY happy-talk kind of culture in the modern English speaking world. Since at least the Victorians.
(5:40) Well this is wrong… cause many places in America are snowing *especially Colorado* yet this shows that it’s very unlikely that it would snow… we had like three winter storms and we have like a lot of snow here.
It’s true , date of Annunciation. 25 March. The day of conception and the day He was Died in Cross. This calculation based on his cousin birth, St John Baptist, while Annunciation, St John was 6 months in the womb. And when St John was conceived, September, was his father performing service in the Temple.
@@andrijastankovic4372 okay much of it is, but the Quote from “De Pascha Computus” , 243 CE, is about the 28th of March and not the 25th of December . A bit of a nitpick but still .
It used to be german tradition to eat a goose or duck etc. on christmas but since it´s too much of a hassle to get that done well once a year most opt out. Some e.g. have chosen other move convenient dishes as their christmas tradition like vienna sausages with potato salad. Generally it´s supposed to be a special meal though ;D. Traditionally that might have meant killing one of your precious animals and eating a lot of meat for once. Today it could be seafood or sushi etc.
Most of the traditions we associate with Christmas have emerged from around the 16th century so I kind of doubt it? Like, Saturnalia died out in the 4th century but then somehow wassailing in mediaeval England is a direct revival of that, hundreds ofyears later? I just have my doubts
4:02 The Pascha Computus of 243 does not say Jesus was born on December 25, they are saying “on the day that the Sun was born” and in context of the whole text , the reasoning is the Sun was created on March 28, fourth day of Creation. March 25 was considered the day the biblical creation started , by some. Not December 25th(which was the winter solstice on the Julian calendar at the time, but not considered “the birth of the sun”)
(As a real disciple of the truth) I normally put stuff like this on for entertainment and I correct the commentary in my head while I listen. But for the first time ever I'm agreeing with everything and I was shocked to hear you also know the understanding of Yeshuahs name. Most people even in Hebraic Roots don't even understand His English name is Joshua. Great Job!
We all basically know that the majority of the Nativity story is crap. But it’s a nice time of the year ( for most of us ) & if it makes people behave a bit nicer to each other then that in itself is a great thing . So rightly or wrong Merry Christmas to everyone everywhere.👍
Ah finally some western brought some eastern knowledge. It just stupid argument that christmas = sol invictus, and people dont know the different between Julian and Gregorian calendar
Honestly if you cover all the holiday's that would be awesome and it gives you a couple future videos. I like learning how Christianity ties into holiday's and events. I am christian and take part in all holiday's. Some Christians don't because they believe the holiday's have pegan origins. I know some Christians that don't even celebrate birthdays. And I don't think it is reasonable
Es un buen asado en casi todo América del sur, que turkey sacame eso, encima lleno de verduras wacala, trae el asado con papá y huevo man. Love your videos
There is but one problem with the birth of Christ being in December: How could he be with lambs in the manger in December when they are not born until March? The Pagan birth of the sun was the midwinter celebration of Summer breaking the back of Winter and was always celebrated just after the midwinter solstice ( the shortest day aka December 21st ) This would mean prior to accurate knowledge of the number of days in a year they would organize the festival as quickly as possible to celebrate the days getting longer and Summer being on the way, along with that they have enough food to last until the season change.
Great video. I was expecting propaganda but it is actually chock full of information. Some of it I knew but I learned things too. And the fact that what I did know was correct gives je faith in thenother information. Well done.
Of course Christmas was set at that time of the year in replacement of Saturnalias, which in turn replaced pagan winter eclipse celebrations. Duration and exact dates may vary, sometimes on purpose, but the common celebrated themes are not anecdotal.
Okay, whilenI agreed with most. However, his name getting translated through languages doesn't mean he never existed. This would be like saying Paris and Berlin don't exist because in America we pronounce them differently.
The Bible was originally written in Hebrew, later being translated to Greek and Aramaic. Jesus is just a translation anyway, he only ever would have been adressed in Hebrew or Latin, with Hebrew being the language of His earthly ancestors, and Latin being the universaly accepted language of the time. Maybe rarely aramaic. Also, people seem to forget that Israel is basically a desert and on a similar longitude as the southern US states, and therefore would have mild winters compared to Europe and the majority of the US. Winter would be something more of a wet season where fields are healthier than in the warm months. I also point out Matthew 2 takes place approximately 2 years after Christ is born. I do admit that is an assumption based on verse 16 where Herod orders the killing of all male infants two years old or younger.
Nope. Every single time Jesus is quoted directly in the Bible (instead of being narrated what he said), the words are in Aramaic (Mark 5:41, and many other). The common language of the people was Aramaic at that time, Hebrew was mostly a ceremonial language used in religious services. And Latin was not that common in the Eastern part of the Roman empire, Greek was the lingua franca (the language people used to communicate of they didn't share a common language). Greek was the language of administration in those parts, and the most common language a Roman would address the locals in, because it was more widely known. So, Jesus had Aramaic as a mother language, certainly knew Hebrew very well because of his ministry, could likely get along in Greek (just like most educated people today know at least some English), and likely knew and used only very little Latin if at all.
Yeah white christmas is almost non existing at my hometown :D We had two or three (i don't know exactly) white Christmas in 26 years. Atleast from the point i am remembering anything. 90% of the time it rains and is arround 5-10 °C. The real snow wich stays atleast more then a few hours or days is most of the time not before january or february but even that only every few years, or only one or two days and thats it.
Canada gets more snow than the USA. Why do you keep on comparing UK to USA. They are not the only countries in the world. Why not say North America since Canada has pretty much the same as the Americans.
True, Christmas is not based on Saturnalia. And Christmas, or yule, was celebrated before the Christians claimed it. The winter solstice happens on or around the 21st or 22nd,however most should know the day the sun truly starts to move back to summer is the 25th.
Jesus birth coincides with the Roman emperors decree of tha Pax Romanus or Roman peace or cessation of hostilities on the world. This is in Jewish records in the library of Sofia and in the Vatican,as are the complete writings of pontious pilate on the story of Jesus .
What is your 'must have' with Christmas dinner?
Homemade Ravioli!!
Twice baked potatoes.
(Ot is a must have any time my wife can be persuaded to make them, however)
@@rhoetusochten4211 sounds yum!
So long as there is a meal, that's a plus.
Yorkshire pudding
Thanks for this video, I will now be an insufferable know-it-all, this Christmas.
😆 that's what we aim for
At this point nobody cares...amidst all the chaos and civil distress, everyone just wants an escape and an excuse to enjoy life for a while.
One other thing that irks me is the song “The First Noel” more specifically the part on “on a cold winter’s night that was so deep” that completely makes no sense because
1. As mentioned in the video “Joshua” would have been born in Spring not winter,
2. They are in the middle east so snow would have been highly unlikely even if it were winter,
Many Christmas carols talk of cold weather, which I agree is ridiculous.
You realise t snows in the middle East right?? Like a couple years ago load of refugees in Syria were freezing in the tents,
@@eyeball7465 While it happened it was something that hadn’t happened in a looooong time, only because of climate change.
@@jamesmoyner7499 ive been snowboarding a couple hundred miles from Israel.
@@eyeball7465 Okay whatever. Doesn’t seem like it given the location on the hemisphere. If you say it is it must be so.
On the 12 days of Christmas my true love gave to me, 12 Christmas Myths 11 Theories 10 Christmas Gifts
The fact that very little is written in Scripture about Jesus' birth, including the date, proves the entire event is insignificant, and was never expected to be celebrated by Christ's followers.
You can pretty much say that about most people's birthdays. The fact that most birthdays aren't written in a holy book proves that birthdays in general are insignificant and were never expected to be celebrated.
Except that most people do put special significance on their birthdays. Some don't work on their birthday. Some take cakes to work, some have parties. Now we know for a fact that birthdays were celebrated from Genesis. Pharaoh had a birthday. In the NT Herod had a birthday celebration. It's not a stretch to assume that birthday celebrations were a common thing. So why not celebrate Jesus birthday? The angels certainly did
@@TheMeefive because he never asked for it to be celebrated.... He gave two things to remember him by, communion and baptism. For which christians seem to discount to focus upon the man made holidays of Christmas and Easter. 🙄
@@Lutherson1962 I don't understand what you mean by Christians seem to discount communion and baptism. Most churches I know keep these ordinances.
When Jesus gave commands it was for Christians to not neglect the things he commanded. He didn't give commands for us to exempt everything else. For instance we celebrate Father's Day, Mother's Day, Thanksgiving. We have Youth Sundays, Men's Sundays, Women's Sundays, Pastoral anniversaries, Pastoral installation services etc... None of these were commanded by Jesus but neither were any of them forbidden. The argument that something is wrong because Jesus didn't command it, doesn't make sense.
@@Lutherson1962 You say "christians" and you're close. Capital C Christians celebrate Christmas and Easter, and the ordinances of baptism and the Lord's Supper. People who go to church only for Christmas and Easter aren't capital C Christians. CEOs, submarines, there are many names for them, but Christian isn't one.
@@TheMeefive The angels didn't celebrate his birth but we sent to announce his birth.
Regarding the Thames Frost Fayres. Whilst the climate was slightly colder in Dickens' time it should be noted that some of reason why the Thames froze-over was because it was much wider and so slower-flowing than today. Dickens wrote a Chistmas Carol in 1843. While the Medieval London Bridge existed (which was until 1831) it acted as a constraint to the flow of the Thames thereby further slowing the flow of the river. This in turn also made it more likely that it would freeze-over.
I don't know anyone in the U.S. who has turkey on Christmas Day. I guess some people do, but most people are stilled turkeyed-out from Thanksgiving. In my family, we always had ham (except for one aunt, who always made spaghetti).
We go to Chinese Buffet...lol!
We do a Turkey because it saves money to buy two frozen turkeys at thanksgiving
We had the big dinner on the evening of Christmas Eve before late mass. After that most people have enough leftovers to last quite a while
Ham is gross. My family does Prime Rib on Christmas.
@@47d75 ooh fancy
In Germany the Christmas decoration are generally taken down around January 6th, when we celebrate the Three Wise Men being at the cradle. That is generally seen as the end of Christmas celebrations.
Merry Christmas Everyone!
Wally who? "Skee-ruh"? Not even remotely close. I mean, it’s almost like you’ve never seen a documentary about the history of humans in space.
Incorrect when it comes to the main dish in Sweden. At least for most place in these modern times in the Christmas Ham. Fish however is common but often seen more as a side dish. Note that in Sweden there is a seasonal version of the smörgåsbord called a Jubbord, the buffet we are known for, where you get everything from Ham to Fish to porridge and to whatever else you can think of. That more than anything is the central experience of Swedish cuisine during the season. Of course, this is often eaten multiple time during the season. And different families have different traditions. Especially what is on that smörgåsbord.
Edit: To make this a bit more complicated. The Julbord is generally eaten later in the evening. It is not uncommon for there to be a traditional dinner too but it a more minor thing in the middle of the day. And I guess that it more likely to have the main course be fish then. But this dinner is more minor event compared to the Julbord. Again, different families may have different traditions.
In the Roman Catholic Church, the Season of Advent begins on the 4th Sunday before December 25; thus Advent can last as long as 4 full weeks (in those years when Dec 25 falls on a Sunday) or as short as 3 weeks and 1 day (when Dec 25 falls on a Monday).
Our Christmas dinner is spiral ham. :) Turkey is for thanksgiving.
Christmas has truly been commercialized
It's common sense that Advent starts on Advent Sunday.
The first Sunday of Advent you mean. There are four Sundays in the Advent season.
Now I know exactly who to blame! Oh the debauchery of myths!
What is the Traditional Christmas Dinner where you are from?
The average chicken, pork, etc
Shit
@@Bobobobobobo1714 🤢
Ham.
It is too close to Thanksgiving for my wife to have forgotten how involved making a turkey is.
@@rhoetusochten4211 😆 it is quite a task!
Of course, there'd be no room at the inn. They'd all be sodding closed due to lockdown.
Proper title woould be "The 12 MYTHS Of USA CHRISTMAS | DEBUNKED"
thank you!
English Christmas- the Turkey on Christmas thing is English , in America it varies regionally or depending on the family’s cultural background very widely . There’s no set menu like Thanksgiving, also some families do the big dinner on Christmas Eve
The “Jesus never existed” is pretty silly. Jesus has different names and pronunciation in every language. So has every single other person in the Bible. It’s more of an adaptation of a name from another language than it is an interpretation.
I spoke to him and he said the same thing and then he told me I was too drunk and I imagined it all
The biblical Jesus is an obvious fiction, but the character could be based on a number of mythological characters.
@@peterjf7723 what is your proof for that?
@@ISmellYoureFeetWhat's your proof that he could walk on water, I can walk on ice
@@K_ingh16 I believe he’s real, I’m not saying he’s obviously real…
Jingle Bells is really the first "hot rod" song. The main character goes around with a different woman in each verse trying to impress her with his ride. Also not Cjristmas music are Let It Snow, Winter Wonderland, and Handel's Messiah (whicg was commissioned to celebrate Easter).
Thanks for the extra info! Merry Christmas
I love these vidoes. They provide me with great info in a entertaining way.😂
I’m just glad he didn’t debunk Santa himself.
great video!
The Saturnalia myth is splitting hairs. While both co-existed uncomfortably for some time, many of the Saturnalia traditions got absorbed into Christmas. Jeremiah 10: 3-4 tells readers not to cut down trees, decorate it, and nail it to walls like the heathens (paraphrasing), which is exactly what they did in Saturnalia. It's worth noting that Jeremiah was written around 500 years ACE. It seems a lot of these traditions got absorbed by each other over the centuries depending what gods were being served at the time.
Your “paraphrasing” Jeremiah 10 to say what it doesn’t even say. It’s describing the crafting of an idol out of wood plated in precious metals. Not nailing a tree to a wall. Where in the process of making a Christmas tree does a “craftsman shape it with his chisel” ???
they cut a tree out of the forest,
and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel.
4 They adorn it with silver and gold;
they fasten it with hammer and nails
so it will not totter.
5 Like a scarecrow in a cucumber field,
their idols cannot speak;
they must be carried
because they cannot walk.
Do not fear them;
they can do no harm
nor can they do any good.
i always thought the white christmas was just a northern way of soothing ourselves about how cold it gets lol
I like how Santa is looked at strictly as a fable (unless you're a kid) because who could visit every house in the world in only one night but a magical sky wizard who can read your thoughts isn't.
Very well descriptions with accurate passages from the Bible.
Here in Norway christmas is on the 24 of desember
Very well presented and in a way that should in no way be offensive to most Christians. It all makes sense.
What is it that offends Christians? Everyone understands that the purpose of Christmas is to commemorate the birth of Jesus Christ. Russian Orthodox celebrate it in January, while some Christians do not, and the Philippines Catholic Church celebrates Christmas for five months.
@@deokspatch8458 speak for yourself some may not understand
@@Messup7654 i dont get you.
I do get you
@@deokspatch8458 because so many Christians are thin skinned and get offended easily. Some them lose their over Harry Potter or a rock song .
"... four decades before Albert entered Victoriaʻs throne room". 💀
Christian, Atheist, or Other - is there anyone who did not believe in at least one of these myths? I had a couple of my beliefs debunked.
Me
"The sun was born on December 25th "? ...says whom?
That would've needed some elaboration.
Btw, goose is far better than turkey!!!
You note that early Christians agreed on the date of "annunciation". Is there any information to be found on how they decided that date? I.e., what information they used to deduce it. For example, Easter's date is basically calculated from the story of the Last Supper, which is believed to have been a part of the pass over observance (at least, that's my understanding... I guess that could be another myth).
Also no adjustment made for the switch from the Julian calendar to the Gregorian? I mean, the early Christians were definitely not using the Gregorian calendar, were they?
The belief that Jesus had a perfect number of years and was therefore either born or conceived on the day he died , was common in a number of educated Christians in the third century at least. There’s not hardly a month that hasn’t been proposed as Jesus’s birthday month. But before it was settled people usually believed it to be around Passover or around nine months after Passover. In 221 Julius Africanus places Jesus’s conception at March 25 1 BCE which would mean nine months later is December 25. Hippolytus writing at almost the same time in 222 CE puts the date Jesus died, the Passover of 29 CE, March 25. But he also said the beginning or Γένεσις of Christ was April 2 in another note. (Γένεσις is a word that it is debated whether it means “ beginning , origin, becoming” as in conception or birth. From other contemporaries it can be argued it was generally believed to mean conception. Some held that January 6 was the birth date and it could be they used the April 2nd date to calculate this. (Once again April 2nd-January 6th is 280 days, precisely nine months) Hippolytus was working with limited knowledge of the Jewish lunar calendar and got it three years off. But his dates got widespread enough to be carved in stone so you can assume it was accepted by many people . On the Julian Calendar March 25 was the vernal equinox and December 25 was the winter solstice. So there could have been some cosmological reasons for putting it at those dates as well.
The Eastern Orthodox keep Christmas at January 7. That may also be because they were contrary about how to date Christmas after the switch from Julian to Gregorian calendar in 1582 , everything shifted 13 days . The Catholic Church chose to keep the December 25 date that it was on Julian Calendar, but on the Gregorian Calendar. The Eastern Orthodox churches felt it more “accurate” to move it to 13 days later because December 25 on the Julian Calendar is January 7 on the Gregorian calendar. I hope that makes sense? It is confusing because earlier in history many did also observe Jesus’s birth and his baptism on Jan 6 on the Julian calendar , especially in Alexandria. But that’s not directly tied to why the Eastern Orthodox churches observe it on Jan 7 now. The change in calendars happened gradually over the 15th-17th centuries so it’s not relevant to discussions on third century Christianity determining the computus for christmas
Sorry where I said “15th-17th centuries “ read it as the late 1500s to the 1700s aka the 16th-18th centuries. Classic blunder
Also of note , I forgot to say , it’s definitely in the gospel texts that Jesus died on Passover, 15 of Nisan on the Jewish calendar (but which year is debatable). Matthew 26:2 “You know that the Passover is two days away-and the Son of Man will be handed over to be crucified”
Regardless of whether it actually happened it was canon as early as the first century when the gospels were written down. It was universally accepted that that was the date. (Though the gospel of John says the day before Passover technically “the Day of Preparation” , 14 Nisan)
Sorry to overwhelm you with information. When I deconstructed from my faith I was left with a lot of knowledge that’s useless now mostly and I bring it up with my family on holidays but they hate it
Celebration or mass hate crime at 13:29?? Loved this video.
This is a wonderful way to wake up!
I knew most of this but now I have proof to slap into my family's faces. 😏
Best gift this year yet. 👌
This man briefly went over a bunch of debatable topics. This is not proof by any means.
So being a narcissist is more important than anything.
Everyone knows that tacos are the traditional Christmas dinner.
😋 I loves me some tacos! 🌮 Hard or Soft Shell?
Celebration of birthdays is an aspect of life that varies widely across cultures, so it's not surprising that a culture might not think to celebrate Jesus' "birthday" and another, after becoming Christian, would prefer to do so. Birthdays of prominent figures are also often celebrated, or at least historically were, on specially chosen days not the actual DOB of that person- it's very common for royalty and is still the case for the British monarch today. Not at all shocking. Although I could see an argument from a Christian perspective that Easter is FAR more important, since it represents the fulfillment of Jesus' putative mission and the establishment of his new covenant between man and creator. But Christmas is a happier notion and we're a VERY happy-talk kind of culture in the modern English speaking world. Since at least the Victorians.
(5:40) Well this is wrong… cause many places in America are snowing *especially Colorado* yet this shows that it’s very unlikely that it would snow… we had like three winter storms and we have like a lot of snow here.
i still like the myth about mary kissing a tabby cat on the forehead and leaving an m on them
Thanks, I hadn't heard of this one.
Saint Nick's suit red-n-white for amineta(sp) muscaris (mushroom). Manna.
A wonderful haircut once again.
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@@uncommonsimon5775 thank you! That makes us feel very special 😊
It’s true , date of Annunciation. 25 March. The day of conception and the day He was Died in Cross. This calculation based on his cousin birth, St John Baptist, while Annunciation, St John was 6 months in the womb. And when St John was conceived, September, was his father performing service in the Temple.
Merry Christmyth everyone!
Brilliant! Why didn't we think of that 👍
@@DebunkedOfficial I dont know, but I'm a skeptic for hire if you need one lol.
@@DeconvertedMan 😉
@@DebunkedOfficial seriously tho I'd love to be a voice on this
failed to mention the tree is a symbol of paganism
Queen Charlotte is not monarch. She is royal consort.
He gets all sorts of things wrong in this. I think he -or whoever researched and wrote this- literally just skimmed Wikipedia
@@83croissant No, everything else is true.
@@andrijastankovic4372 okay much of it is, but the Quote from “De Pascha Computus” , 243 CE, is about the 28th of March and not the 25th of December . A bit of a nitpick but still .
i dont know about others but asian pagans had a day called nardugan which was pretty like Noel they also decorated pine trees
Keep up the good work..
It used to be german tradition to eat a goose or duck etc. on christmas but since it´s too much of a hassle to get that done well once a year most opt out. Some e.g. have chosen other move convenient dishes as their christmas tradition like vienna sausages with potato salad. Generally it´s supposed to be a special meal though ;D. Traditionally that might have meant killing one of your precious animals and eating a lot of meat for once. Today it could be seafood or sushi etc.
BUT, many of the customs of Saturnalia are celebrated in Christmas even though the dates are off.
Most of the traditions we associate with Christmas have emerged from around the 16th century so I kind of doubt it? Like, Saturnalia died out in the 4th century but then somehow wassailing in mediaeval England is a direct revival of that, hundreds ofyears later? I just have my doubts
4:02 The Pascha Computus of 243 does not say Jesus was born on December 25, they are saying “on the day that the Sun was born” and in context of the whole text , the reasoning is the Sun was created on March 28, fourth day of Creation. March 25 was considered the day the biblical creation started , by some. Not December 25th(which was the winter solstice on the Julian calendar at the time, but not considered “the birth of the sun”)
(As a real disciple of the truth) I normally put stuff like this on for entertainment and I correct the commentary in my head while I listen. But for the first time ever I'm agreeing with everything and I was shocked to hear you also know the understanding of Yeshuahs name. Most people even in Hebraic Roots don't even understand His English name is Joshua. Great Job!
We all basically know that the majority of the Nativity story is crap. But it’s a nice time of the year ( for most of us ) & if it makes people behave a bit nicer to each other then that in itself is a great thing . So rightly or wrong Merry Christmas to everyone everywhere.👍
@ 5:05 You do know February only has 28/29 days, don't you?
Yea sorry that graphic slipped through the net 😬
im going to be so annoying at my Christmas dinner, im going to disprove everything they say at the dinner table. Thanks to this!
😆 pleasure, good dinner talk ammo
SKEE-RAW!!! Yikes.
nice
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Its not katalúma, its katálema
Apologies, thank you for the correct pronunciation.
Ah finally some western brought some eastern knowledge. It just stupid argument that christmas = sol invictus, and people dont know the different between Julian and Gregorian calendar
Nice
what are the similarities and differences to Sinterklaas?
Thus was awesome I really like when you cover things with Christianity and the Bible.
Is there anything in particular you would like to see us cover in a future video? Thanks for watching
Honestly if you cover all the holiday's that would be awesome and it gives you a couple future videos. I like learning how Christianity ties into holiday's and events. I am christian and take part in all holiday's. Some Christians don't because they believe the holiday's have pegan origins. I know some Christians that don't even celebrate birthdays. And I don't think it is reasonable
@@richardwhyte8893 Good idea to cover other holidays 👍
none of the holidays have anything to do with Christianity and I can prove it to you name a holiday
@@DebunkedOfficial whether Jesus existed or not
Feels ages since the last Debunked. Which is obviously, too long. Must have for Christmas dinner...seconds!
Es un buen asado en casi todo América del sur, que turkey sacame eso, encima lleno de verduras wacala, trae el asado con papá y huevo man. Love your videos
Wow.
You missed the fact that Mary can't be human since parthenogenesis isn't possible for mammals.
There is but one problem with the birth of Christ being in December: How could he be with lambs in the manger in December when they are not born until March?
The Pagan birth of the sun was the midwinter celebration of Summer breaking the back of Winter and was always celebrated just after the midwinter solstice ( the shortest day aka December 21st ) This would mean prior to accurate knowledge of the number of days in a year they would organize the festival as quickly as possible to celebrate the days getting longer and Summer being on the way, along with that they have enough food to last until the season change.
Great video. Just to clarify. Puerto Rico is a part of the United States not a separate country.
I was always told that December 25th was taken from the Cult of Mithras.
We actually don’t have a date attached to Mithras’ “birth” (he emerged from a rock) it was a Roman mystery religion so we don’t know much about it
Ham is Christmas Turkey is Thanksgiving
So dose Batman smell or not and I highly doubt Robin would run away even if he did
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Great video. I was expecting propaganda but it is actually chock full of information. Some of it I knew but I learned things too. And the fact that what I did know was correct gives je faith in thenother information. Well done.
Of course Christmas was set at that time of the year in replacement of Saturnalias, which in turn replaced pagan winter eclipse celebrations. Duration and exact dates may vary, sometimes on purpose, but the common celebrated themes are not anecdotal.
in my mother tongue.. they call Jesus 'Yeshu'.. I always wondered where that came from
शिशु
we call him Isa pbuh
Well that's my Christmas ruined.
Okay, whilenI agreed with most. However, his name getting translated through languages doesn't mean he never existed. This would be like saying Paris and Berlin don't exist because in America we pronounce them differently.
By cutting trees is it not people are harming environment during Christmas
The Bible was originally written in Hebrew, later being translated to Greek and Aramaic. Jesus is just a translation anyway, he only ever would have been adressed in Hebrew or Latin, with Hebrew being the language of His earthly ancestors, and Latin being the universaly accepted language of the time. Maybe rarely aramaic. Also, people seem to forget that Israel is basically a desert and on a similar longitude as the southern US states, and therefore would have mild winters compared to Europe and the majority of the US. Winter would be something more of a wet season where fields are healthier than in the warm months. I also point out Matthew 2 takes place approximately 2 years after Christ is born. I do admit that is an assumption based on verse 16 where Herod orders the killing of all male infants two years old or younger.
Nope. Every single time Jesus is quoted directly in the Bible (instead of being narrated what he said), the words are in Aramaic (Mark 5:41, and many other). The common language of the people was Aramaic at that time, Hebrew was mostly a ceremonial language used in religious services. And Latin was not that common in the Eastern part of the Roman empire, Greek was the lingua franca (the language people used to communicate of they didn't share a common language). Greek was the language of administration in those parts, and the most common language a Roman would address the locals in, because it was more widely known.
So, Jesus had Aramaic as a mother language, certainly knew Hebrew very well because of his ministry, could likely get along in Greek (just like most educated people today know at least some English), and likely knew and used only very little Latin if at all.
White Christmas? I live south of the equator, so nope!
BBQ Xmas?
@@DebunkedOfficial If it ain't raining. Lazy days at the beach 😜
Yeah white christmas is almost non existing at my hometown :D We had two or three (i don't know exactly) white Christmas in 26 years. Atleast from the point i am remembering anything. 90% of the time it rains and is arround 5-10 °C. The real snow wich stays atleast more then a few hours or days is most of the time not before january or february but even that only every few years, or only one or two days and thats it.
I've been pointing #4 out to people for years! 😂
Canada gets more snow than the USA. Why do you keep on comparing UK to USA. They are not the only countries in the world. Why not say North America since Canada has pretty much the same as the Americans.
Here, here! Or is it hear, hear??
Apparently Canada turkey tradition doesn’t count.
Are we being to sensitive?
Or am I being too polite 😉?
True, Christmas is not based on Saturnalia. And Christmas, or yule, was celebrated before the Christians claimed it. The winter solstice happens on or around the 21st or 22nd,however most should know the day the sun truly starts to move back to summer is the 25th.
Yule is the Nordic winter festival and it post-dates Christmas
If you put a red stripe at the bottom of a thumbnail it looks like I watched it. Einstein
Aha, I should probably change that then. Thanks
DIE HARD is a Christmas movie.
It‘s so right that here in the uk a single snowflake makes us think white christmas lol
Do you think we'll get one this year? 🌨
@@DebunkedOfficial With the crazy ranges of weather we have had recently it could literally be anything at this point
@@lewishendo9328 very true indeed 🤔
the news show santa tho
i never realised how racist it was for use to dress up in little sheets as turbans lol
In Denmark it’s actually on the 24th Idk why but that’s how it is
31 days in February 😅
we eat bunnys at christmas
Not Easter Bunnies? 😳
In Sweden it’s on 24s
Actually advent started on the 28th not the 29th.
We refer to advent in 2020, as this video was originally intended to be released before Advent. Sorry for the confusion, and thanks for watching
Why does your February have 31 days
Oops that graphic slipped through the net 😬
Nah it funny I like it
Jesus birth coincides with the Roman emperors decree of tha Pax Romanus or Roman peace or cessation of hostilities on the world. This is in Jewish records in the library of Sofia and in the Vatican,as are the complete writings of pontious pilate on the story of Jesus .
Christmas is on the 25th day of the last month of the Christian calendar. The earliest Christians were Jews. Hanukkah is on the 25th day of Kislev.
Joshua
Josh H. Christ.
Has a certain ring to it 🤔 😆
@@DebunkedOfficial 😂😂😂