His dream is not to play at those festivals. His dream is to attend it as an audience. He wants to travel to those concerts. He sings at a bar to make money not because he wants to be a singer in the future or anything.
Adam thinking that Sand is the only one in Thailand with a scooter and therefore had to be the one that ran Mew over has left me in tears laughing. I love y'all's recaps!
Boston told Nick that they were just friends with benefits. However, his words do not align with his actions. When Boston and Nick were in the pool, Boston basically describes wanting to have a relationship. He wants all of the benefits of a boyfriend with none of the responsibility. In the final moments of the episode, Ray offers to answer all of Sand's questions. This was a golden opportunity to clear the air, but Sand is too scared to find out the truth. He instead assumes the worst and puts all of his walls back up.
The weird experience dates Top took Mew on made me think that Top read like a Buzzfeed list of top date ideas and was just checking them off. Like he really thought that these were normal dates while we are all wondering what happened to dinner & a movie. Did he think that because he wasn't getting any bedroom activity then he'd have to do some other active thing.
I believe that Top is fully in love with Mew. Top in my opinion has never gone to these lengths to have anyone want him before, he hasn’t had to being Top tier. He is used to being pursued so used to it that he’s rather oblivious when the waiter and the host check him out because it just happens all the time for him. He is really putting in effort planning new experience dates for Mew like laser tag, water boarding, silent disco and this episode the blind dinning. He can’t tell Mew about the Boston hookup because he knows it will all be over,for sure,if Mew knows. I also think he is remorseful because he tells Boston in the elevator that it was his “mistake” putting the blame on himself also letting Boston know that this mistake will never happen again.
I’m so glad you guys talked about the blind dining scene since a lot of people missed the whole point behind the scene and just thought it was creepy and not about Mew trying to see the real Top.
To answer your question: Yo was their senior from the same university (they mentioned it on 1st episode where sand calls Yo and tells her ‘Ray was your junior do you know where he lives?’ to take ray home.) so the lgbt people from that university hangs out at that place since it’s owned by Yo. Not necessarily a gay bar but a lgbt friendly place
Listen, i’m currently working in South Korea as an English teacher. Defiantly working to live lol. When i’m out, i’m out. Time for Boys Love boys love ok?! Thank you! Also love your dog! Always draws my eyes. Beautiful boy.
So, on the whole question of whether Top loves Mew, I always had in my mind that the whole reason Boston was able to manipulate him into sex was insecurity. It's sort of implied that people have only ever really been with Top bc of his body and/or money, no one has ever really wanted more from him or he's at least never been able to believe that anyone wanted more with him. Sometimes the hottest people are the most insecure deep down. But Mew has not only said he wants a real relationship w/ Top, he's proven it. Mew shows he's attracted to Top, but also that he doesn't want sex w/out commitment. Mew clearly enjoys spending time w/ Top and lets Top treat him, but their time together is always about doing something interesting to get to know each other better instead of about how much money Top is willing to spend to spoil him (this is why i don't mind their groupon dates, bc it would have been too easy for Top to just blow money on micheline restaurants or helicopter rides but he chooses more grounded, sensory experiences instead). All that makes Top extra scared of losing Mew, which is why (for me at least) I didn't see his silence about the Boston thing as a lack of guilt. It's terror. Should he be honest and let Mew decide whether it matters that Top was manipulated into a hookup when they were kinda-sorta-but-not-officially in the early stages of dating? Yeah, absolutely. Do I think Top's too deeply fallen for Mew by this point that he won't risk being honest even if he knows it's the right thing bc he's still too insecure to trust that Mew would still want him after finding out? 100%. Top has also convinced himself that since he does love Mew now, and is determined to never stray again bc now he knows he's enough for Mew and vice versa, that his 1 mistake doesn't ultimately matter. As long as he does the right thing by Mew from that point forward and Mew never finds out, he can just forget about it. Which, and cancel me if u want, I personally think he's mostly not wrong to believe. I mean think about it, if you were 80 yo and found out that your partner who you'd been w/ for 60 years had slept w/ someone else when you were in those very early stages of the relationship, before you'd really discussed exclusivity and before either of you had fully fallen in love, but for the rest of your shared life together they were perfectly loyal, would it honestly matter to you at that point? Pretty sure it wouldn't to me, even if it was only a year or 2 later. Don't get me wrong, it would suck that they kept this secret, but I think in Top's head he just needs time to prove to Mew that he's in love and committed. Once enough of that love and trust is built up, if Mew finds out about his transgression later then the effects of time and all their good memories together will make it seem like a small mistake in the distant past instead of the big recent fuckup it would be if it were revealed now. Now, am I probably reading way too much into Top's thought processes and it's blinding me to the fact that it was a poor writing choice to not show Top feeling at least a little guilty bc feeling bad about it shows that he's worried about consequences so it would have made the audience more willing to trust that he really does love Mew if he shows that he's scared the consequence of his mistake being losing Mew? Yeah, yeah I am. But I'll gladly wear the Top apologist crown. It's a burden I'm more than willing to bear. I also found the parallel they created this episode so perfect, w/ Mew noticing how everyone wants his boyfriend and becoming increasingly aware that he's always going to be viewed as inadequate by outsiders looking in on their relationship which is mattering to him for the first time in his life. Top is worried that he won't be enough for Mew, while Mew is worried about whether the rest of the world will think he's good enough for Top.
I think this is a good read of Top's motivations I never really thought much about. But the issue with Top sleeping with Boston and never coming forward with it, isn't just that he slept with someone else early on in their relationship. It's that he slept with one of Mew's best friends. Sleep with a rando your partner doesn't know and won't ever interact with, then maybe you can carry it to your grave and it won't matter. Sleep with someone your partner cares about, regularly sees, trusts and will confide intimate details about your relationship with? Yeah, that's something that will only be more hurtful the longer you don't own up to it. Boston could very well end up being in the wedding party, standing right behind Mew while they are exchanging vows. Mew could want Boston to be the godparent of their children. He'll theoretically be at birthdays, anniversary parties, for years to come being pally with your partner who you know they would stab in the back in a heartbeat because you know they have and you were a willing participant. If I found out my partner and best friend kept a secret like that for several decades, I wouldn't just get over it and probably wouldn't ever trust them again. If they can lie about that for that long, what else have they lied about in cahoots with one another?
Aside from this show being good I think one of my favorite things about it is the fact that people have such WILDLY different opinions of the characters and their journeys through the show. Age, Experience, and Perspective is everything when it comes to how you feel about these characters as well as how much you actually pick up in terms of context, subtext, etc. I'm having a good time hearing your opinions and can't wait to see the rest of your recaps!! 🤣😆
i literally run to see these just to enjoy how much you opinions change as the story moves, it's so entertaining after knowing the whole thing... tbh, until the last second, you can't really make conclusions with this show, so just enjoy the heartache
really like to get both the reaction commentary on patreon (i actually love how much time you already spend talking about the show during your first watch - even though it must be bonkers to edit) because some things i haven't thought about that deeply (ray basically going after nick to hurt boston). first series i watched with book and i had a lot of fun seeing him act!
Possible spoiler warning: Everytime you guys mention something like the "seeing him" metaphor...i literally jump lol the 3 some notion...jumped! I cant wait til the other episodes come thru and we can talk more...cause this show is wild!! The fact that both of those things become sooo much more than just pebbles in a lake for these characters.
About the blind date scene. Its not something deep or whatever. One of the script writers wrote on his twitter that he wrote that scene out of a personal experience. He went to one of those and he thought it will be nice for top and mew to connect more. So he wrote exactly what happened in his date
Okay, guys, I'm 7 days late but... you beautiful, innocent souls just admitted to stalking the heck out of a 10/10 guy... Can we, as gay people, FINALLY admit that maybe, just maayybee, we're a little bit like Nick?!?! He did nothing wrong in my eyes!!! He was just protecting himself cuz when us girlies know, WE KNOW... I'm sorry but I will support gay rights and gay wrongs!!
also...i think boston was still messing with mew because he knows that mew doesn't know boston slept with top and that might be a thing that would stop mew from sleeping with top. but he doesn't tell him and instead boston encourages mew to have sex KNOWING he'll be devastated when/if he finds out.
@@leratoashley not sure he is deliberatedly cruel like that. judging by his tweet he just wants mew to get the sex done so (he presumes) top will lose interest. it's a dick move but it feels like he doesn't believe that top is actually in it for love
How digmatized is Nick to go as far as taking the red pill for Boston. I wouldn't be surprised if Boston had been the one to introduce Andrew Tate to him lol
Just to add to the pain of that last scene... people pointed out after sand rolls away from him ray checks his phone and seems upset. Theory is he saw top's hard launch post of him and mew and knows they're now official. Even when he's lying in bed with sand his thoughts are still with mew 😬😬
It was not though since the extended scene actually shows he cared about sand and it had nothing to do with mew. I don't think that update from top could bring ray close to tears
Guys don't worry it is established in the FirstKhao fandom that Khao is a way better singer than First. No one is coming for you at least for now
His dream is not to play at those festivals. His dream is to attend it as an audience. He wants to travel to those concerts. He sings at a bar to make money not because he wants to be a singer in the future or anything.
Adam thinking that Sand is the only one in Thailand with a scooter and therefore had to be the one that ran Mew over has left me in tears laughing. I love y'all's recaps!
Boston told Nick that they were just friends with benefits. However, his words do not align with his actions. When Boston and Nick were in the pool, Boston basically describes wanting to have a relationship. He wants all of the benefits of a boyfriend with none of the responsibility.
In the final moments of the episode, Ray offers to answer all of Sand's questions. This was a golden opportunity to clear the air, but Sand is too scared to find out the truth. He instead assumes the worst and puts all of his walls back up.
that's still friends with benifits though. just monogamous.
The weird experience dates Top took Mew on made me think that Top read like a Buzzfeed list of top date ideas and was just checking them off. Like he really thought that these were normal dates while we are all wondering what happened to dinner & a movie. Did he think that because he wasn't getting any bedroom activity then he'd have to do some other active thing.
I for one greatly enjoy RJ's candid and descriptive ways of talking about le jism
I have a way with words
You guys, I clock out so fast, my boss thinks i dont like my co workers
We're just work to live girlies! 👏🏼
I believe that Top is fully in love with Mew. Top in my opinion has never gone to these lengths to have anyone want him before, he hasn’t had to being Top tier. He is used to being pursued so used to it that he’s rather oblivious when the waiter and the host check him out because it just happens all the time for him. He is really putting in effort planning new experience dates for Mew like laser tag, water boarding, silent disco and this episode the blind dinning. He can’t tell Mew about the Boston hookup because he knows it will all be over,for sure,if Mew knows. I also think he is remorseful because he tells Boston in the elevator that it was his “mistake” putting the blame on himself also letting Boston know that this mistake will never happen again.
Adam's face when RJ said Drew Barrymore and not Cameron Diaz what brilliant! RJ immediately knew he done fucked up 🤣🤣
I’m so glad you guys talked about the blind dining scene since a lot of people missed the whole point behind the scene and just thought it was creepy and not about Mew trying to see the real Top.
To answer your question: Yo was their senior from the same university (they mentioned it on 1st episode where sand calls Yo and tells her ‘Ray was your junior do you know where he lives?’ to take ray home.) so the lgbt people from that university hangs out at that place since it’s owned by Yo. Not necessarily a gay bar but a lgbt friendly place
Listen, i’m currently working in South Korea as an English teacher. Defiantly working to live lol. When i’m out, i’m out. Time for Boys Love boys love ok?! Thank you! Also love your dog! Always draws my eyes. Beautiful boy.
ok adam may be asking some career advice
So, on the whole question of whether Top loves Mew, I always had in my mind that the whole reason Boston was able to manipulate him into sex was insecurity. It's sort of implied that people have only ever really been with Top bc of his body and/or money, no one has ever really wanted more from him or he's at least never been able to believe that anyone wanted more with him. Sometimes the hottest people are the most insecure deep down. But Mew has not only said he wants a real relationship w/ Top, he's proven it. Mew shows he's attracted to Top, but also that he doesn't want sex w/out commitment. Mew clearly enjoys spending time w/ Top and lets Top treat him, but their time together is always about doing something interesting to get to know each other better instead of about how much money Top is willing to spend to spoil him (this is why i don't mind their groupon dates, bc it would have been too easy for Top to just blow money on micheline restaurants or helicopter rides but he chooses more grounded, sensory experiences instead).
All that makes Top extra scared of losing Mew, which is why (for me at least) I didn't see his silence about the Boston thing as a lack of guilt. It's terror. Should he be honest and let Mew decide whether it matters that Top was manipulated into a hookup when they were kinda-sorta-but-not-officially in the early stages of dating? Yeah, absolutely. Do I think Top's too deeply fallen for Mew by this point that he won't risk being honest even if he knows it's the right thing bc he's still too insecure to trust that Mew would still want him after finding out? 100%.
Top has also convinced himself that since he does love Mew now, and is determined to never stray again bc now he knows he's enough for Mew and vice versa, that his 1 mistake doesn't ultimately matter. As long as he does the right thing by Mew from that point forward and Mew never finds out, he can just forget about it. Which, and cancel me if u want, I personally think he's mostly not wrong to believe. I mean think about it, if you were 80 yo and found out that your partner who you'd been w/ for 60 years had slept w/ someone else when you were in those very early stages of the relationship, before you'd really discussed exclusivity and before either of you had fully fallen in love, but for the rest of your shared life together they were perfectly loyal, would it honestly matter to you at that point? Pretty sure it wouldn't to me, even if it was only a year or 2 later. Don't get me wrong, it would suck that they kept this secret, but I think in Top's head he just needs time to prove to Mew that he's in love and committed. Once enough of that love and trust is built up, if Mew finds out about his transgression later then the effects of time and all their good memories together will make it seem like a small mistake in the distant past instead of the big recent fuckup it would be if it were revealed now.
Now, am I probably reading way too much into Top's thought processes and it's blinding me to the fact that it was a poor writing choice to not show Top feeling at least a little guilty bc feeling bad about it shows that he's worried about consequences so it would have made the audience more willing to trust that he really does love Mew if he shows that he's scared the consequence of his mistake being losing Mew? Yeah, yeah I am. But I'll gladly wear the Top apologist crown. It's a burden I'm more than willing to bear.
I also found the parallel they created this episode so perfect, w/ Mew noticing how everyone wants his boyfriend and becoming increasingly aware that he's always going to be viewed as inadequate by outsiders looking in on their relationship which is mattering to him for the first time in his life. Top is worried that he won't be enough for Mew, while Mew is worried about whether the rest of the world will think he's good enough for Top.
I think this is a good read of Top's motivations I never really thought much about. But the issue with Top sleeping with Boston and never coming forward with it, isn't just that he slept with someone else early on in their relationship. It's that he slept with one of Mew's best friends. Sleep with a rando your partner doesn't know and won't ever interact with, then maybe you can carry it to your grave and it won't matter. Sleep with someone your partner cares about, regularly sees, trusts and will confide intimate details about your relationship with? Yeah, that's something that will only be more hurtful the longer you don't own up to it. Boston could very well end up being in the wedding party, standing right behind Mew while they are exchanging vows. Mew could want Boston to be the godparent of their children. He'll theoretically be at birthdays, anniversary parties, for years to come being pally with your partner who you know they would stab in the back in a heartbeat because you know they have and you were a willing participant. If I found out my partner and best friend kept a secret like that for several decades, I wouldn't just get over it and probably wouldn't ever trust them again. If they can lie about that for that long, what else have they lied about in cahoots with one another?
yall are literally the funniest ppl ever
Aside from this show being good I think one of my favorite things about it is the fact that people have such WILDLY different opinions of the characters and their journeys through the show. Age, Experience, and Perspective is everything when it comes to how you feel about these characters as well as how much you actually pick up in terms of context, subtext, etc. I'm having a good time hearing your opinions and can't wait to see the rest of your recaps!! 🤣😆
i literally run to see these just to enjoy how much you opinions change as the story moves, it's so entertaining after knowing the whole thing... tbh, until the last second, you can't really make conclusions with this show, so just enjoy the heartache
To me, all characters are gay until proven straight
and say that
I love a museum cafe. The Field Museum cafe...I was there in 2022 after seeing Ateez in concert there.
really like to get both the reaction commentary on patreon (i actually love how much time you already spend talking about the show during your first watch - even though it must be bonkers to edit) because some things i haven't thought about that deeply (ray basically going after nick to hurt boston). first series i watched with book and i had a lot of fun seeing him act!
Possible spoiler warning:
Everytime you guys mention something like the "seeing him" metaphor...i literally jump lol the 3 some notion...jumped! I cant wait til the other episodes come thru and we can talk more...cause this show is wild!! The fact that both of those things become sooo much more than just pebbles in a lake for these characters.
RJ has uncovered the Groupon sponsored agenda on the show 🤣🤣
this podcast has got it all: trauma and thoroughly moderm millie!
GIMME GIMME THAT THING CALLED LOVE I CRAVE IT
Me that clocks out before time 😂😂.
Only Friends the musical is just RENT but in this one no one has the forevers!
About the blind date scene. Its not something deep or whatever. One of the script writers wrote on his twitter that he wrote that scene out of a personal experience. He went to one of those and he thought it will be nice for top and mew to connect more. So he wrote exactly what happened in his date
Mr Producers, drop the link for the crowd funding for Only Friends - The Stage Show!
Okay, guys, I'm 7 days late but... you beautiful, innocent souls just admitted to stalking the heck out of a 10/10 guy... Can we, as gay people, FINALLY admit that maybe, just maayybee, we're a little bit like Nick?!?! He did nothing wrong in my eyes!!! He was just protecting himself cuz when us girlies know, WE KNOW... I'm sorry but I will support gay rights and gay wrongs!!
I did not give any spoilers btw you can read my comments
kamden, Brian and Jiho from boys planet recently debuted in a group called Ampers&one can you guys react to their debut song on and on.
rj is out of town until after thanksgiving but as soon as he’s back it’s on the list!!!
I don't think ray was trying to get back at boston, he was actually trying to warn nick...cuz nick is really trying to get with the biggest douche!
also...i think boston was still messing with mew because he knows that mew doesn't know boston slept with top and that might be a thing that would stop mew from sleeping with top. but he doesn't tell him and instead boston encourages mew to have sex KNOWING he'll be devastated when/if he finds out.
@@leratoashley not sure he is deliberatedly cruel like that. judging by his tweet he just wants mew to get the sex done so (he presumes) top will lose interest. it's a dick move but it feels like he doesn't believe that top is actually in it for love
How digmatized is Nick to go as far as taking the red pill for Boston. I wouldn't be surprised if Boston had been the one to introduce Andrew Tate to him lol
Not Andrew Tate
nick is about to make an x account to defend toxic masculinity
Boston does give off that kind of "no fats no fems" vibe
Just to add to the pain of that last scene... people pointed out after sand rolls away from him ray checks his phone and seems upset. Theory is he saw top's hard launch post of him and mew and knows they're now official. Even when he's lying in bed with sand his thoughts are still with mew 😬😬
It was not though since the extended scene actually shows he cared about sand and it had nothing to do with mew. I don't think that update from top could bring ray close to tears
Not the “seeding” 😂 (doesn’t that require penetration though since it implies 🪴)