This island from hell broke us | Special Forces Journey
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- Опубликовано: 9 июн 2022
- This is one rucking mistake we will NOT make again. That is life people, live, learn and make adjustments. See you on the next one!
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Hey Sean, what is the backpack you are using please? Thanks!
Catalina 1, FNG 0 ... We need to see a rematch bro. 🥺
I don't know about military gear, but with civilian gear the weight should be on your hips, not your shoulders. When I saw your belly band undone, I knew the weight was on your shoulders. Not good.
I hope that after the frustration passes you will consider making more videos like this. It's a learning curve that everyone goes through. The important thing is not give up, and to learn from every mistake made. Keep moving forward. Great videos.
thanks homie! more to come for sure!
@@FNGACADEMY agreed really liked watching this series
Oh this is just the tip of the iceberg. We will push it to the limit!
Failing is the best teaching tool there is in my opinion. You either learn or not. Great video as always Boyz! Teach the next generation there is no such thing as shortcuts. Always forward! 🤘🏼🏴
appreciate ya homie
Dude shout out to Abel for sackin up to go with you guys. Can’t tell the story without him and he just went for it.
Props to y’all man that was hilarious. Better luck on the next one.
Can we take a moment to appreciate the cinematography edition of the intro 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
Abel is getting better every video, he'll appreciate this
I’ll be sticking with my 10lb base weight pack and my Altra hiking shoes. Thanks.
Everybody has an e4 with that Abel attitude and I fucking love it hahaha.
This whole series reminds me of two things.
1) all the stories from SF guys in the early GWOT who said within a few years they had cut so much weight from their gear just highlights that military v. civilian difference in gear.
2) how much hills change your pace count and timings. Map reading and hill walking to the micro orienteering level is a crazy skill that isn’t just about our paces over 100m but also the difference in speed/pacing both uphill and downhill that needs an understanding of boy your own capabilities and the terrain you are covering.
“Thank God I had my poles”
- Buck, 2022.
Bro tip: there is a small company out of Texas called Packit Gourmet that makes some great food for hiking.
From someone who has some experience with the TCT, thank you guys so much for doing this!!!! Totally took me back through the highs and lows of this trail! That thing can be mad gnarly!! That last section with Abel sounded exactly like my brother when we landed back in long beach lmao!!! If you guys are ever back in CA, try Weaver Lake in Kings Canyon National Park. It's designated wilderness in the Sequoia region so no permit needed, and the fishing is rad!!!
You guys have truthfully made this my absolute favorite RUclips channel to watch! Your candor, encouragement, and your incredible relatability and humility despite being some of the most badass dudes on the planet, is astounding!!! Thank you all for your efforts and for being people that us regular dudes can aspire to be.
Buck drops a ruck vid on a Friday an hour before I go rucking. Helllll yea. Thanks Buck!!! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
you bet bro!
Worked in an Outdoor shop for years. This is why you buy your hiking boots half-whole (depending on your shoesize) size larger than your regular shoes, to avoid the toe crushing. Just make sure to lace them right to prevent sliding and blisters.
Ruck in a tropical or jungle environment for the next video.
Kurt at 14:03 describing the classic Vietnam version of the green beret mission, "we under prepared, over committed and we didn't test our gear" 🤣 Ah boys i'm just talking shit, love these kind of 'trip progression' training videos. Full of useful information.
Great video! I like Kurt's positive attitude during the hike. The main thing is it was a learning experence. The next hike will be better. Looking forward to more videos.
Got to keep it positive!
Your the three best friends that anybody could have.
I work on Catalina Island. I go there every Tuesday and Wednesday. It would have been so cool to meet you there.
Next time, we will be back!
Everything I ever watch I say to myself, I could do that sh*t all day no problem.
The real world humbles us all at times, in our prime or not in our wheelhouse or not.
Real world situations are changing and the climate is more intense than ever, keep frosty out there boys.
F N G ACADEMY 2022 I love the content and support the channel.
When the down hill is worse than the uphill... I feel your pain.
Ty for letting Gustav along you gentleman are an inspiration
R.I.P. Elvis Osborne, the last U.S. Army Infantryman to die in the Vietnam War. June 1972.
I appreciate the honesty
Just beautiful ! 👁👁
Important lessons here. Thank you for the good content as always.
When you start hurting every step is a mental battle and every small blister, chaffing and prickly heat ends up being a physical challange. Good work Boyz 👏
Love what you guys are doing, I need to find a good way to prep my knees and ankles for old injuries to build up to this point without taking myself out of it. You guys are killing it! Much love.
I participated in the 20th Anniversary of the White Sands Bataan Memorial March back in 2009, heavyweight division weighing in with a 56lb ruck (minimum is 35lb). Lost alot of time resting at mile 11 (the thought of quiting set in), pushed on however, and completed the ruck... 9hrs 30 something mins... I highly recommend attending, and those oranges were amazing (If you know, you know). Was never SF, but representing the 97th SFS out of Altus AFB, OK.
I worked for a retired colonel who survived the Bataan Death March. He was 95, and when that tsunami hit Japan, god bless him! He would sit and look up the news coverage on his iPad and giggle like a schoolgirl. He wasn’t a mean man, either, so you could tell it was bad even though he wouldn’t talk about it. He also wouldn’t eat his food if I put pepper in it because he said it looked like the bugs in the scant food they got under the Japanese. He lived a good long life in spite of them, and went on to work on the atomic program. When I asked about that he gave me the side eye and asked me why I wanted to know lol. Like I might be kgb or something. God bless Col Parazzo.
Goddarnit, now you made me appreciate my hiking sandals a lot more!
Love you, guys! Stay positive!
Great video. Thank you for being honest about what went wrong and why it went wrong
Great effort. Just trying is more than what most people would do. 👍👍
It’s amazing how much beautiful scenery while rucking or running can add a little boost of motivation when you feel like absolute s**t. It’s one of the reasons I loved rucking and running at Ft. Lewis. Mt. Rainer was an awesome motivator…when it was visible thru the rain.
The struggle of the hike is what makes the views so amazing and rewarding. Easy hiking isn’t nearly as satisfying. If you guys want an awesome hike, hit the 25 mile North fork trail with some spots to camp on the edge of the ridge line overlooking a massive valley. Only issue is there is one “fresh water spring” on the north fork and other then that no more water
Longer hikes needs proper pre planning, we all have learned that one way or other :)
Making Friday even better! Thank you!
thanks man!
Gut check to the max! Always something to learn/ take away from these experiences. Good stuff broskis.
thanks homie
Great video, awesome production, thanks for making this!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Nice, wish I would have bumped into you guys on my home town Long Beach CA, but I moved 50 mins south of it now..
The production quality on this channel's videos are insane. Even look the changing of the aspect ratios to make it more cinematic in the previous vid from this trail.
Love the production in these videos you should do more of these strenuous adventures like military rucking vs civilian backpacking
on it!
Nice been waiting for this new one to come out
enjoy! we didnt lmao
Great video with great lessons learned. You didn't fail; you bettered yourself. You learned what not to do and you showed it so that people can set themselves up for success. Much respect.
thanks homie!
I'm seeing a lot of comments with genuinely nice encouragement and telling Sean "don't give up man" and all that. But like lads you know these boys are retired Green Berets right? lol. Enjoyed the video as always anyway.
Great video and picked up a lot of rucking pointers, but my hat's off to Kurt man, his attitude is contagious.
Yes!!!
I have been waiting for the end results of this trip.. I loved all 3 videos!💚🖤
Thank you!
@@FNGACADEMY You're very welcome!!
I found your channel not long ago and been falling down the rabbit hole of movie and beer breakdowns. I am loving them! 💚🖤
Great editing well done guys in all parts
Are you sure you guys are former Special Forces!? I’m an army veteran from 1985-1990, and at 61 years of age, I complete more difficult hikes (class 3 and some class 4) over *very* rugged mountainous terrain than Catalina Island.
Good shit, way to get after it!
Aight bro
WTF?!? No plate carriers, no ammo loadout, no weapons, and no greasy ass fish flavored foreign MRE's?? I must have the wrong channel.......... This was way too easy!!! 🤣😋😉
Your videos are so well done brother! They just keep getting better.
amen, content, angles, and editing are top notch!
thank you! Abel puts a lot into everything we shoot, feels good that people notice
You totally should do a Beers and Breakdown of this.
"What not to do" with Buck and Kurt
Lmao. I'm so disappointed
boom!
you also have to realize that you still went above and beyond average; most people would've just stopped after 1 to 5 miles but y'all went WAY above that average. good stuff guys remember y'all still went above and beyond average that most people wouldn't do
Black shirts in a desert?
Try 5.11 Strike Pant. Four way stretch & rip stop fabric. PCT thru-hikers have a LOT of great suggestions for walking shoes that can last 500+ mi.
Use bandana’s under hat. It works like socks do to shoes (get wool/smartwool if you can). Helps keep glasses on too when sweating because you pin your ears into the bandana
Actually get wool as much as you can, socks, shirt etc. works better in desert than cotton.
That opuntia cacti are great foraging, looks like they’re fruiting too. All edible & good moisture.
🏆🏆🏆👍🇺🇲🙏
Thank you for sharing.
thanks homie
More of this please 😁
Inspiration.
appreciate it
VERY nice video, awesome shots. All in all, IMO, very well done.
Enjoyed seeing you guys suffering a bit somehow ;)
Big greetings out of Thailand
thanks homie!
selection to POLSOF is in mountains 7 days with backpack u walk for 7 days for over 260km and last day is marathon run on time with backpack.
Buck I got the Fox River socks for rucking at the FNG shop. They're amazing. Thanks.
you bet!
No wonder Abel wasn’t the first to quit, he was chasing 12:28 cake the entire time.
Nice follow-up video.
If you guys do a hike again, check out parts of the Appalachian trail. Especially near the Harper's Ferry area.
I feel you guys. My wife and I hiked Catalina just as tourists and about halfway in we were like, we didn't pack enough water. Heat stroke was setting in. We got through it, but we weren't carrying a bunch of gear.
We saw the same with some of the other hikers we passed that weren't as prepared.
How do the deer survive out there??
16:10 Best part of the whole video hahahahaha. Good job guys!
thanks homie!
If you want to do Pikes Peak, do it from the Crags…it’s half the distance but twice as hard
The presidential traverse in the white mountains new Hampshire, heck of a hike and great weather most of the time
we'll check it out
Wow high production quality nice🇺🇲
thanks!
As a lifetime civilian who has hiked for over 30 years in both mountain and desert environs, with both civilian and military gear, using military gear can be frustrating. When an empty military ruck weighs nearly 8 lbs, that really cuts into a 45 lb. weight budget. Even a 5 lb (empty) 3 day pack feels excessive - it seems like all the military gear is just a little heavier and a little bulkier than it "needs" to be.
That said, whether using military or civilian gear, a few hard earned lessons I've learned - I always try to pack so the weight is as close to my body (my back) as reasonable. So no stuff hanging off the back of my backpack. The further that stuff gets out there, the more it feels like it's just trying to pull you down.
Also, keep everything as tight as you can. Every ounce that is flopping around is just sucking energy from your body. 4 or 5 miles you might not really notice it. 10 or 20 miles - you definitely notice it. Kurt's pack looked a lot more efficient to pack - Bucks ruck hurt me even looking at it. I know you guys have tactical considerations you have to make in the military (like making sure your IFAK is easily accessible, so probably strapped to the outside, can't be to tall because you need to be able to lift your head if you go prone, etc), but maybe this can help you guys a little.
Regardless, kudos to you for making a go of it and testing new gear and setups. And for giving us all this great content.
Agreed on many parts here, the one disagreement is that the weight of the ruck is hard to decrease if your building a ruck designed to last many years with a military without getting shredded. Going below 500 denier is fine on a civi pack, but I’ll advised if you need longevity. One of these days we will have a lighter material which can hold up to the destruction.
@@m783w TLDR; Does a pack need to be bombproof 1050d nylon made to last 50 years - NO - And it's not just the packs that need to be lighter.
First, the nylon weight isn't just what I'm talking about. One of the big things that makes most military rucks so heavy is all the extra garbage added to them, in addition to the heavy nylon used. On most military packs, nearly every inch is covered with extra webbing sewn on (literally once inch spacing of extra heavy duty webbing), extra straps, extra buckles and extra pockets. Take a look at the 5.11 Rush12, or the Basic Molle Assault pack.
The problem with a lot of the military stuff is nearly every single item, not just the pack, is heavier and bulkier than it needs to be. It's true that much of the stuff will need to be heavier than it's civilian version, but it doesn't need to be 2 or 3 times as heavy. Maybe 1.2 or 1.5 times as heavy, but not 2 or 3 or 5 times as heavy. I believe this is why Buck said in the first video that the military stuff needs to come closer to the civilian stuff and kind of "meet in the middle".
Remember, for a soldier "Mobility is synonymous with Survivability".
If you are reducing a soldiers mobility by making all their kit twice as heavy as it needs to be, then you are reducing their survivability. What good is the extra heavy duty backpack and gear if the soldier doesn't survive.
Some people think the extra weight for the gear isn't a big deal, but all the rucking induced injuries coming out of the military say otherwise. I need to find the reference, but recently completed long term studies indicate you can carry about 10% of your body weight indefinitely without risk of injury, 20% for extended periods with some risk of injury (and likely some mild cumulative injuries), and somewhere in the 30%-40% you are guaranteed to be injuring yourself (even if it's "just" cumulative long term injuries). These injuries regularly take soldiers out of the fight, both regular forces and special forces. That is expensive and reduces fighting effectiveness.
Also, I'm not sure how much toughness for longevity you really need out of a pack. One of my favorite packs of all time was a 1.5lb 15L pack made from "special" ripstop 210d nylon. I wasn't gentle on that pack. I strapped sharp ice tools (ice picks), axes and machetes to it. After 18 years of hard hiking, mountaineering, camping, ice climbing and rock climbing it was finally showing serious abrasion damage (some small holes) from the line hauling during climbing. I'm sure it would have lasted longer, but it got stolen. It's the only high quality pack I've ever had that showed any real wear. You could say it's a one-off, but I bought a newer version when my old one got stolen. That was about 6 years ago, and it's going strong. Also my brother has a similar make he's had for nearly 20 years and he uses it for similar things, and it's still functioning fine.
Now, would that 1.5lb 210d nylon pack have lasted 18 years under military conditions? Probably not. But would it have lasted 5 years? Probably. Is that long enough? Probably. Maybe it needs to last 10 years. But does it need to last a guaranteed 30 years or 50 years. Almost certainly not. Building rucking gear to last a guaranteed 30 years is what makes gear excessively heavy, and is part of what causes load carriage injuries.
And honestly, I have never actually seen a properly made pack that has gotten worn out and failed. Not civilian, not military. Not anything made within the last 30 years with any decent level of quality by any decent manufacturer. (**) I have bought a lot of old used packs, and almost invariably the only reason the people were selling them were either they had stopped doing outdoors stuff or they were upgrading to a newer, lighter more comfortable pack.
** - Now, I know that in certain jungle conditions certain molds will eat nylon, but that is an entirely different problem with a different solution. Making stuff heavier doesn't fix that problem.
I’ve done the Pikes Peak hike around 13 miles straight up it was fun but broke me off.
Hit the white mountains in NH. Toughest part of the Appalachian trail
Able rocks!
Ok got it
Should try some nicks hotshot boots … handles weight and steep angles… feet should love them
So you guys really winged it? Jesus! Reminds me of Goggins running the San Diego One Day on three days notice and no prep. Well, I guess you guys know now eh? : )
I’ll be expecting another video of you guys conquering this hike. Give it a year and come back for redemption collected and prepared. Don’t let it have the final win! Good job though. Love the content. Failure equals lessons learned.
we are going back with civ gear to compare the difference
@@FNGACADEMY hell yeah
Like I once was told mind over matter try to put your in another place make shorter goals and feel better mentally each time you accomplished one
Watching your videos is like George Jetson when he watches himself work out on TV.
lmao! nice!
"don't give up" says the man in the couch to the ex special forces operator
I decided to finally drop a packet my class date is in February. Thank you for all the advice Buck I really appreciate it and can't thank you enough. I can't wait for that ruck trainer to drop.
My selection date is February also. I ship July 5th for 18x contract
that is bad ass! link up with each other and start some accountability, learning how to care about others is what selection is all about
Both wearing black shirts
I knew Buck was a glutton for punishment, but Kurt too?? 😂
Thanks for the upload.
Can you provide some advice on preparing for the Nasty Nick assault course at SFAS? What happens if guys struggle to negotiation 1-2 obstacles properly? Can they still pass or do they get binned there and then?
Cheers
as a former 12 bravo, the biggest mistake in rucking...is whining about it. just move out, soldier!!! 🏃🏃🏃
So when’s that molle ruck trainer releasing? Would be nice to have asap
I feel the need to tell a story of mine now.
I hiked from nikkaluokta to kebnekaise in sweden, that is 20 km up the whole way. And that was with a 25kg ruck, old military one that wasn’t fitted for me, military pants, and military heavy boots that was one size to big. On top of that, it was my second time hiking ever. The day after that I walked up kebnekaise and down again, and the day after that 20km home again. Then a 15 hour drive between me and another guy.
Definitely had to dig deep on that one.
Regardless, good content.
If you really wanna make your life suck can always do the delta 40 miler
Technically speaking, I believe Catalina is not a desert, but a "mild sub-tropical climate".
Its a good thing no one was a heat causality. The first time was in Iraq and the second time was a movement to contact drill which was 300 meters in full kit in 100 degree weather multiple times that day and the third was mount training all day and the funny thing is it was all desert areas with full kit. The first time it happens to you your body the more likely youll get it and can be life threatening. Glad everyone made it back home and oh that 10lb camera is about the weight of a m4 with optics and a mag not including the light or pac-15. 11 BaNG bANG BAby.
Research the hike Terran as well
It’s the goddamn Catalina wine mixer!!
I hear you when you say it’s more difficult with military gear on but why not use the best gear possible? Most of these quality hiking packs might not be camo but they are extremely tough. No point to not use superior gear. That being said, I always hike in pants out in the East coast because you never know when you will be pushing through brush
Great film and the Island looks awesome.
The walking poles are the trick. Use them everyday.
But that's why the German and Japanese army's used bicycles in WW2.😆
they really are!
Man! I've opened trails in the moutains for a couple of years after the military...11 miles in the heat and the ups and downs, that is very good brothers!
If everything turned out easy this vid would have been...not very usefull to the young guys who want to get into military. Rucking sucks all kinds and they just witness that even sf dudes can be broken by the terrain and mission ahead.
Topographical maps are your friend.
“Shouldn’t you be filming SOMETHING?!” F- you, man! Lose my number! 😂
Hikers also don't need to carry stuff to get into a firefight with.
What the homie not going to answer the phone 🤦🏿♂️😂😂😂😂
Did I miss it - which backpacks are you using?
Next beers and breakdown- the kill team.
On netflix
up and down all the time? sounds like Mountain Phase at Dahlonega.
I think, you guys should attempt this again with Andy and maybe some other SF guys or team guys. Would be GREAT content lol. Maybe split the group between retired and still active duty guys? Would be cool to see the contrast, just an idea