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35. Dan and Mike are Fighting (Feat. Daniel O'Brien)
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- Опубликовано: 23 фев 2018
- Former Cracked Creative Head Daniel O'Brien joins Former Cracked Video Head Michael Swaim to work out some issues that have been developing between them over the last three to five years, and discuss the Cracked Layoffs and ensuing diaspora.
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Music by Pranab Sunder Raj.
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As long as Dan, Michael, Soren and Katie continue to meet in a diner once a month to pick apart pop culture, I'm OK with this. They don't even have to film it. Just as long as I know it keeps happening, it's fine with me.
This is literall just me commenting without proofreading to annoy the other guy
@@zomega4075 lol same what a qiondience
This didn’t age so good.
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After hours and Cracked were a big reason I first got into RUclips as a fan. I was genuinely sad when I heard the fate of Cracked.
I really hope he does bring back OPCD, that and After Hours were the only reason I was subbed to Cracked
Yeah, I agree completely.
Ditto. I discovered cracked by just coming across an OPCD and it was always the thing I anticipated most from the channel.
have you tried the old articles? from around 2007-2012?
I've pissed myself laughing so many times
TheImperfect I've binge-watched them start to finish it was almost like watching them grow up
And Escort Mission
Hearing how little you like the direct limelight, I'd just like to thank both you fine fellas for sharing your personalities (exaggerated or not) with the internet, it sure has been entertaining.
Noted Nuance damn right
I will honestly just throw money at Swaim and DOB for whatever they want to make, as long as they want to make it, I think y'all are doing good and important work.
Same
Can we just have podcasts forever with Swaim and former Cracked staff? This one was just so great.
The motion is seconded.
I call for acclimation.
Yes. This.
You two gave me my first legitimate writing credit on Agents of Cracked.
Since then, I've had whole books published! That's right... Plural! And all because people would look at the first line of my portfolio and go, "If you wrote for these guys, there's a good chance you don't completely suck."
AOC had some truly awesome writing, good job, man. You should link some of your books.
John Krane Thank you! The specific episode that I wrote was Friendly Fire Marshall (though, I'm pretty sure a few of my unused jokes from that script were then recycled into later episodes.)
To avoid this turning into a shameless plug, I won't leave a direct link but if you Google "Dead Things Mikey, Joel Farrelly", the Amazon page for my most recent novel should be the first link.
I've had more than a couple people tell me that its tone and style are reminiscent of David Wong, which is of course a massive compliment, though the comparison is probably not nearly as surprising when you know how I got my start.
Joel Farrelly i dont know you but great job! Keep up the good work.
+Joel Farrelly dude what you wrote the Fire Marshall episode? That is by far the best one lol. Swaim doing the Shock Jock Radio host bit and the Attack ads is one of the funniest things ever on Cracked.
“Sick your liberal dogs on me?!?!?”
You can see why (even with drama) these guys were chosen as the "face" of Cracked Online. They're equally captivating and interesting to listen to. I would watch Dan read the paper.
If Dan O'Brien were to make a podcast, where he talks about weird facts about American presidents and their quirky ways, it would be a dream come true.
No Name we need Daniel O'Brien on the Joe Rogen podcast!
Honestly if Dan read literally anything i would listen. He could do audiobooks, scientific papers, inspirational posters, shit posts.. literally anything.
this made me so happy... i would have listened to an 8 hour extension to this
corvid dude is your icon Rosdower? from MST3K Final Sacrifice?
Hahaha yes, It's actually a Rowsdower bobble-head.
corvid NiCE!!!
Me to this is so nice
When he said “In a thing” did anyone else think “Oh we’re in a thing Katy, this is us...in a thing”
heres the deal im just systematically going through these comments as a joke this comment means nothin'
@Charlie Bravo Omega.Seal
I loved hearing how open and not actually contentious this was. I hope the communication remains open and you get to spend more time together.
I just want you guys to know how much this conversation meant to me, and I'm sure many others, in providing some closure on the proverbial "death of Cracked". It brings genuine joy and warmth to my day to hear Mike and Daniel talk and laugh together again. I love you guys!
Swaim, I've been a fan of yours and DOB for years, and I really enjoyed every minute of this podcast. Not just because I'm a fan of who you both are, but for sharing with us all the beautiful honesty and friendship you two are rebuilding. As a depressed introvert It's refreshing to listen to friends (whom I've admired, no less) have such deep and meaningful conversation in a world that can feel so shallow and digitally sterile. I hold out hope for us creative types in this uncertain era, and I have no doubt that you both have yet to deliver your best works to the world. Sorry for the long comment, I've just felt the desire to express how thankful I am for your work here, especially in tales from the pit, and I know I'm not the only person who has been helped by your words
Very well said Andrew. I feel what you were feeling too.
Love hearing u guys in the same room again
This is the most grammatically correct comments section I've ever seen.
Hehe lmaooo
Im here to fuck that up for yah
Good to know that Dan is virtually the same person he was on camera. He's... real.
I want the two of you guys to know that I am in utter awe and disgust that Cracked seems to be keen on ridding itself of the talent that made it the internet cool spot that it was.
You guys are both idols for me and I dreamed of doing what you were with your shorts, Agents of Cracked, and articles. I cannot overstate how much laughter and mirth the two of you brought into my life. I have snorted, choked, and cried with a smile on my face more times than I can count because of you guys. I am SO glad I found this channel and grateful that you guys did this podcast and I hope to binge on any other work you two do (independent of each other or not.
You guys are fucking rock stars in my eyes. I love you and your work.
And Abe. Cause I know he was there too. 😉
Dan would be the first person I would drop cash into patreon for if he made an OPCD spinoff
This should be trending on RUclips.
Welp. The discussion regarding the future of the industry made me worried and sad. I love the type of content that Cracked used to produce, and it seems like that type of content won't be around for much longer.
I wish
@@BuildinWings I love watching the modern Rogue but I don't think it's very similar to any aspect of cracked
Agents of Cracked: Epilogue. I'd still love to see whatever Swaim or DOB do in the future
Hey i just want to say that you guys have made some of my favorite things i have ever seen aand i still go back and watch your cracked videos regularly. I loved listening to this. I ove you guys. Thank you for your contributions to my life. Miss you
Not even the bots are disliking this one! Nice to hear you two working things out. I had no idea the situation at Cracked was getting that bad. For what it's worth DB was clearly doing something right because I thought things were going well right before everyone was fired and videos went away.
I'm glad to see that you and several other Cracked alum are starting their own channels. I think the core Cracked contributors in the mid-late 2000s do not get the credit they deserve for the impact they had on internet creative culture. Agents of Cracked, After Hours, S.W.A.I.M, Those Aren't Muskets, etc.
Really happy on your win over alcoholism Swaim, I understand how difficult it can be. Also definitely try to have Daniel on more often, this has been my favorite episode yet. There was a lot to discuss this time around, but next time you guys could start a monthly pop culture/current events podcast type of thing. Just an idea. Thank you for the content!
These are my two favorites, talking openly about their feelings and communicating like adults. This is why I respect your both.
Oh god that pause and "...sure" 28 minutes in after mentioning John Cheese really hits after hearing all the fallout
So glad to hear from you guys. So much hard stuff covered in a way we just don't get to see online. Calm voices and feelings.
Hey Micheal and Dan. Just wanna say I miss getting to watch you guys. Things get rough in life, work relationships and friendships strain but I think this was a great example of how two friends can work through what's bothering them and express how they feel in a positive and constructive way. I look forward to seeing what you create in the future and what adventures comes with them.
Glad this finally posted and not at all disappointed there wasn't more fighting. This is the example we (as a society) need set for us: adults addressing potentially uncomfortable situations with maturity and honesty. I've lost friends over less because one or the other of us either didn't know how, or were unwilling, to reach out and say "what happened to us?".
Been of fan of both of you for years, and expect I will continue to be. Already a full content Beanie and I just bought Daniel's book on fighting presidents (just in case the opportunity presents itself).
Best wishes to you both on future endeavors.
I had a super similar situation with a friend. We worked together, and I just drifted out of feeling like I had a place at that company. I drifted away and found out later that he'd felt abandoned.
DOB , so happy you made it to small beans ! Great talk. Thanks Mike for more entertainment. Best of luck to you both
Dan and Michael: You two were my favorite contributors to Cracked, which is saying a lot, because I liked tons of what they did. Just keep sharing your work however you want.
5 months after this Dan O'Brien got a job as a HBO staff writer for "Last Week Tonight with John Oliver"
I’m listening to this Podcast basically realizing that I’m going on the job market as every university in the country is laying off people and slashing budgets, and it makes me feel so good to know that instability happens but life moves on.
I worked with ppl who were or became my closest friend. I can't stress enough how wise it was to talk about it and sort out how you both saw the situation.
I love Dan's "So what's the next idea" reply. "Tell me what you want and I'll make it - real great." I struggle with that to.
I feel like what happened to you guys at Cracked is essentially what many people in their 20s experience with their first "real job" that they become passionate about. Whether it's something creative, or just an office job, it's a microcosm of going through a massive change in your life, compounded by the pressures of what your job means to you, especially when run by people who don't have your best interest in mind.
The difference is that you also had to deal with it in a high profile way (at least, compared to us no-name office peoples). I don't envy that.
Also, Michael, hope you're doing well man! As of 2020 it sounds like you've really got things sorted out, and I'm happy for you.
Listening to DOB talk about his interest in politics shortly before he got a job and Emmy awards writing for Last Week Tonight makes my heart so happy😭😭
Listening to actual adults talk out their personal and professional relationship has been been very eye opening. Thank you for doing this podcast. I think I've been a bad friend my whole life.
I just found this after realizing Cracked hasn’t posted in three months.
NinjaBearFilms same 😒
Me too 😢😢😢
It's been 5 months for me. Don't feel to bad. lol
It's surreal that a website that has been such a huge part of my life since I was a kid disappeared months ago and I only just now notice. Granted it's been a hell of a year for me, so I guess I was distracted.
Lol
this is such a bittersweet listen; Cracked was a major part of my and my friends' lives in high school and my uni days; thanks for providing a bunch of nerds with endless trivia knowledge and in-jokes
32:56 there’s an unaired final episode of OPCD!?!?!?! Dont you put that evil on me Deanie O Beanski!
Update: I literally got into contact with someone from the old guard still working at Cracked through Facebook, they said they knew of the last after hours, they looked for it but they only have access to fully edited videos so it probably was never fully edited 😑
Shinigami damn that hella sucks :/
@@smac919 For anyone reading this now, FYI there's a 2020 table read of the final episode on Small Beans.
it was really great hearing these two together again I almost don't even mind that they spoiled the Last Jedi for me. I really hope that DOB continues to do something creative on the internet so I can continue to support him.
It's about 54:00 through 58:00 or so, but it isn't really all that spoiler-y.
I totally get 'art burnout'. Art school killed so much of my creative drive, I am still recovering (in the fetal position, hearing the words "WEEKLY CRITS!" echo in my brain hole)
I really miss both of you guys in both OCPD and After Hours. i loved those two shows and they're still some of my all-time favorite internet content ever. Thank you for enriching my life.
It is really heartwarming to see the thoughtfulness with which you both approach your friendships and your creative lives. In times like these where it has become the norm to let disagreements divide us, thank you for this lovely example of two friends doing the work to repair a breach. Blessings on you both.
It's really cool to see two adults have a problem, address that problem, be nice to each other, and work through that problem to each understand the other's point of view. The worls needs more of this happening.
Man it's so nice to hear Dan's voice again. You are an amazing creator, whatever project you set your sights on is bound to be well received.
You guys were making content for a year!!! And I didn't know?!
This crew was the only part of Cracked that worked.
Man... as much as it drove you guys to madness, thank you for being amazing personalities. I've been cheered up in some stressful times because of you, so it'd be great if you guys could continue something again where we get to see those awesome characters... but honestly I just wish all the Cracked writers and players of personalities the best and whatever would make them the happiest because you guys deserve it.
I miss you
I’m so sorry to hear that Dan is having such a difficult time transitioning to his post-Cracked life. He has incredible potential. Please take care of yourselves.
8:40 - Daniel explains how I deal with every problem in my life.
Joel Farrelly Me too, although I'm trying to improve on that.
Hair8Metal8Karen it’s tough, because you have the dialogue in your head when the person is right next to you. When I try to express what’s in my head it comes out as garbage lol
Laughed out loud at the intro. It really is great to hear two respected male comedians speak about their relationship and other serious topics while finding humor and a sense of reconciliation. Can tell you guys have been through a lot together...
You two are awesome. Really loved all of the stuff you've collaborated on. Hope there's more in the future, but if not, glad to know you'll both be hanging out together.
This was such an open honest conversation. Thank you much, I have admired both of you much for so long for your humor, my sincere thanks for your courage to be so vulnerable
Thank you guys for doing this, it's nice to finally get full context. I don't know what the future holds but I will value your content and art at the highest degree, thank you
It is really wonderful and interesting to hear a serious heart to heart from some hilarious and smart comedians. I found Cracked AFTER all the layoffs, watched everything and then it ran out. So, I was so happy to find their new projects, and it’s really interesting to hear how they got there.
Cracked was a big part of my 20s too, especially when I was fighting my own depression. The content you guys provided me with helped me get some laughs in my life when everything was so dark. Watching the new After Hours was sometimes the highlight of my entire month. I've then fallen out of the loop a bit and didn't knew things were going downhill (until now) and it makes me really sad (actually shedding a tear writing this lmao). I know the future have great things for you guys though, even though life sometimes really suck. And I guess we both have to let go of the past. But most of all: thank you so much. Give my love to Katie and Soren too.
//a 28 year old fan from Sweden
I'm sorry that your work environment went so down-hill and became toxic, but I must say I really miss you guys and the videos you starred in. I enjoyed watching you and listening to you so very much, and I'm glad I got the opportunity.
God it's great to hear you guys ago... but I found something absolutely terrifying reading between the lines: an issue often highlighted (ironically by both of you) in cracked about the current socioeconomic climate affecting millennials and the backlash which we are going through. Two possible almost iconic internet personalities, having to face the real life consequences of moving back home with their parents.
I know this story almost intimately: recovered alcoholic, surviving (barely) from rampant bipolar disorder, have a PhD in chemistry, yet living at home with my parents as I'm practically unemployable. Hearing this placed a heavy lead bar in my chest as it resounded so heavily within the context of my own narrative.
**hugs**
I don't listen to podcasts. I get bored of podcasts. I just love listening to you guys talk
It was good hearing you two laugh together
Thank you both, my biggest issue was with the overload of things I don't watch, OCPD, and After Hours was my go to. Plus I used to want to write for Cracked completely based off the work you two have done. Just putting that out there. Good luck in whatever you guys choose, I'll love it regardless.
You two guys are part of why I miss Cracked so much (to be fair i also like pretty much everyone involved on and off screen!) Thanks for sharing this, i know it's stupid but it gives closure on this for me... As well, i too lost a job that had become part of me and wondered "Well what do i do now?" Keep up the great content guys :)
I'm glad this was posted as a person who just casually watched, but very much enjoyed what was put out, I had no idea what had happened at the site as a whole and just abruptly noticed that some of my favorite stuff wasn't showing up.
On a personal not I do want to thank both of you and everyone else that helped make some great content that kept me very entertained
Thanks for the video. Hope the channel continues to grow and become a sustainable means of living for you and Abe
I miss you both.
Hearing all this behind the scenes stuff, I just really appreciate all the work and stress you guys have been through to create the content I love. This episode was both uplifting, to hear you talk openly and frankly about issues, problems, gripes, and also depressing to think of the future of content. Again, from the bottom of my heart, sincere thanks to you both, to all those Cracked contributors who were laid off. I wish you the best in all future endeavors.
Wow, cracked firing them is the first time any of these folks have ever gone through anything like that. This was so interesting.
Fascinating as well as depressing to a soul crushing degree. I've always been curious about the dynamic between Swaim and DOB, and this provided a lot of insight into that. It's just a bummer that it has to come seemingly at the end of their creative relationship.
I miss you all SO much.
Additional Note: I love you guys. Feel loved.
This is a very deep and brave dive into your brotherhood. Thank you for sharing.
Art and creativity suffer once they stop existing in a free environment and become a business. I worked as a freelance artist myself for a while and I ended up being literally sick of what used to be my big passion in life.
So unless you make it so big, and got so rich you can basically do what you want or unless you are from a rich family, there is no way to avoid this.
Not the way our current economic system works.
We need social reform. Capitalism is a failed system that benefits only those with money and power. Nobody is free as long as we're required to slave away for our masters to pay rent to our masters so we can sleep and be ready to work more for our masters.
Socialism is the future.
Great show, you two.
I'm glad y'all were able to work things out and hope that all of you are able to do more new content as well as variations of the originals.
Praying for happiness and prosperity for you all.
I very much enjoyed this. I would like to hear more if this. I also enjoyed Dan in general. I would appreciate more with him if possible. I also love Ska. This is unrelated but still I feel it is important to mention.
So, Dan in a Ska band is the goal of this statement?
Being laid off is always hard, and I think harder when it's from a creative job because you feel "oh, I guess my creative output just isn't good enough". It probably isn't true (maybe sometimes it is) mostly it seems to come about purely for _business_ reasons that don't give a crap about quality or people. And it can easily leave people in just the worst sort of depression and jaded personality. Especially in a city like LA. I lost a creative job back in early 2017 -- I didn't have a public-facing sort of position but so much of everything I did was art or writing that was out in the public space in the city where I live and being separated from that in what was a huge surprise to me that left me reeling and even now I'm still figuring out what I'm doing.
But the point of what I'm saying is that it's refreshing to have two people of decent popularity who got used up by a corporation and then tossed out and came out on the other side *not* being awful jaded people who are negative about everything and constantly trying to blame their former friends for everything that went wrong. The depression sucks, the uncertainty and challenge of finding your place afterward sucks as well. But I feel like this is a great example of how to move forward, doing the best to understand yourself and your peers.
Oh, and as an aside, like Dan I think that "scheduled content" like twitch is just the stupidest idea to go back to. We got to a point where content is there for us to watch whenever the heck we want to, at times that are convenient for us. Why on earth would I want to go backwards to missing stuff because I had to do something else at 6pm? Chat? I don't give a crap what a bunch of rabble are saying, and if the content is just someone reading comments I pass.
Figuring out the real future of content is hard to do. No one wants ads. No one wants to pay out the ass for bundles. Patreon is nice, but the vast majority can only support so many artists we like. I think that in maybe 10 years we'll see a real massive change, not only from technology but potentially from legislation and economic changes.
I love everything yall created. Been watching after hours since they have started and it was tragic when they ended, but it's good to know at least they're getting to do what they want now
Daniel and Michael, you have brought so much laughter to my life. You guys are awesome!!! Thank you
I hope so much that I can support you guys in whatever fashion I possibly can in your upcoming futures!
I was thrilled listening to this on my way to work yesterday. I would seriously listen to a Dan and Mike are fighting podcast every week! You are both intelligent, creative souls who have a tremendous amount to contribute to society in whatever you do. Thanks for the intimacy you shared! Can't wait to see what else you have in store.
OMG, you two... For being in a healing phase (which I get completely), you tangent with how the internet is doing business models like television does (and being created to be the opposite) is fantastic and I could listen to your thoughts on anything ALL DAY.
Thank you for sharing a peek into your personal conversations/relations with minimal "producing". I'm still aware that everything media is at least slightly fake (by definition, since normal lives don't get recorded, edited, and published), but this was nicely genuine.
This has been in a playlist for the last few months and I've been so busy that I didn't have an hour to sit and listen to it, and so glad I forced myself to sit and listen. This has been a much needed listen and it's got me going to speak to some of my old friends I haven't spoken with in quite some time off my because of my own stubbornness and lack of communication. It probably won't go this well, but it's worth the try.
You two are two of my favorite pop culture internet personalities and as sad as I am with what happened with cracked I'm glad to discover Michael is still putting out content and I'm glad to see you guys talking
It's heartbreaking to hear how the Cracked video department died. You guys were like the gang of cool kids (even you, DOB) that I wished that I was smart and witty enough to hang with. Part of me hates Cracked so hard that I never want to watch the videos again, but I know I'll watch Agents of Cracked, After Hours, Rom.Com, and the Harry Potter spoof more than is healthy. Goodnight, you Princes of Maine, you Fountains of Wayne... I don't have a clue about how the modern entertainment industry works, but, DAMN, there has got to be a place for you in it.
Thank you very much for sharing this with us, and for all the entertainment you provided us over the years.
Dan needs his own RUclips account. he was def the best part of cracked.
Well, this was very very insightful for a UK fan that utterly misses all of you!
I knew of stuff... But not.. the slightly more personal side... Only slightly is needed!
I used to watch Cracked to the point where I would have to take breaks to allow content to build up so I could binge on it again. I thought today what would I want to listen while trying to get through my work day. I was pretty upset to see the channel dead and even more upset to see that all my favorite people were no longer a part of it. I took some time to search up what you guys are doing now and found this channel. Glad to see you are still doing stuff and I will now binge this channel.
Loved the old channel because of you two, confused when updates stopped. Found you again and get to hear the story. As an artist myself, nothing gives me more inspiration than listening to the goings on (bull shit) and the integrity an artist. Be you, man. Love to creatives.
The best thing about Cracked productions like After Hours was really the visible chemistry between the people involved. It's great to see Michael and Dan moving forward separately, but I also hope there's a chance for some kind of collaborations in the future including Soren and Katie.
This was a nice conversation to listen to.
It's dark but it's nice to know that the popping of the media bubble isn't something that I'm just seeing as a person trying to get their own content out there and that those in the thick of it are seeing it too. You two were in it for the best time possible and I wish you luck in furthering your careers.
Didn't know Soren went to American Dad. That's pretty cool. I'm never sure at any given time if that show is even on anymore. Glad it is. it's awesome. It got the kind of second life Futurama deserved and didn't get.
Didn't futurama come back more than once? They had plenty of post original-series material.
There was sooooo much Futurama. I think it's fine that it ended. Season 5 is just made up of all their movie releases. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Futurama_episodes#Episodes
Joshua V they came back twice, but not in full force. Season five was not only done in the awkward movie-but-still-episodes format, and with a reduced budget and staff, but part of it was written during the writers' strike by David Cohen and I'm not sure who else. And it was fine.... But it was not the caliber of show that we got in the pilot episode, in "the devil's hands are idle playthings," or anywhere in between. It came back as sort of a loving imitation of itself, and I appreciate having that, but American Dad got the full fly-you-to-argentina-and-shoot-you-full-of-stem-cells-and-young-blood, all-hands-on-deck, this-show-is-a-star treatment. Huge difference in the outcome.
Heavy Metal Collector I know this is a controversial opinion, but I like the Orville. I think it works as a sci-fi show without much need to be funny. Also I'm not sure how much involvement Seth McFarlane actually has with American Dad these days, other than cashing a check. He quit doing voices for it early on.
Oh feck off. AD is nothing compared to the brilliance of Futurama. It's filthy trash humor 75% of the time when F was full of original plot lines and endless new adventure. Not even a compariso0n
thank you both for having this thoughtful earnest discussion, and letting us listen in. what you (and the other crackers) created, was extremely meaningful, and we miss you. having your discussion on a public forum has cleared up what went down, and has given me some catharsis. Thank you.
It's great to hear my two favorite Cracked guys work through stuff/ talk about things, etc. The future may be uncertain, but I'm sure you'll both have great careers.
Since you wound it up with what you binge watch, I just wanted to say I finally watched " Stranger Things" . It was driving me crazy who their science teacher reminded me of and realized it was Alex Schmidt!
I'm posting that here because I've boycotted Cracked since I heard about the layoffs.
Was Alex Schmidt the writer they were throwing shade at in that throw away comment Swaim made? They alluded to him being "history guy".
the end of this gave me a lot of hope, speaking as a young person trying right now to figure out how to navigate the logistics of creative work in our current environment, thank you so much
Sharing your uncertainties about making a living as writers in a weird way gives me comfort. It's helped me realize that I'm not the only one who's terrified about that. Sometimes it feels like when you can't find a consistent living being creative that it's just because you're not good enough. But, you guys worked at a website I've long wanted to write for, but never have. If you feel uncertain, I've come to realize that it's not just me. It's everyone. Being a creative individual is a tough path to follow. It's much more rewarding if you make it, but, there's no guarantee that you won't end up living in a van down by the river. Thanks for the insights guys.
I'm so happy you guys seem to have made some progress and patching things up I can't wait to see any collaboration that you have in the future thank you both for all the entertainment you given me and my family