If you can’t even test the compound you’re selling (by your own admission) how can you possibly be comfortable marketing it to the masses? That's the part of this defense that I don't understand.
Jeff you clearly aren't capable of an unbiased opinion on this. what makes you say you can't test for it? and what do you mean by Greg's own admission? PS. ask your friend Eric helms to go over 2 recent papers on natural bodybuilding supplements and why he thinks beta alanine is great for bodybuilders. oh wait. you wouldn't do that because of more clear bias.
Honestly I was a huge Doucette fan for a couple years, always giving excellent advice and tips regarding diet, supplements as well as training, and just seeing how he’s becoming what he swore to destroy in the industry is just saddening.
Agreed, the fact of the matter is, Gregg is so stubborn and financial invested in his Turk crap that he’s doubling down. He doesn’t care if this Turk Saga” destroys his rep, he will ride this gravey train all the way to the bank 🏦 so long as their are gullible viewers for Gregg to scam. He’s full of shit on this video. Nice work Jeff Nippard!
My biggest issue is we trusted Greg and took this product and it ended up being something else. Just because it works doesn’t mean we agreed to take the ingredients found in what was suppose to be terk yet he gets mad when anyone mentions his massive fuck up. Imagine how the customers felt… Can’t just shove a mix of unknown ingredients in a pill and label it something else and get away with it.
This is the biggest problem with the supplement industry, the lack of regulation allows for this. A label can say one thing while the actual product is completely different and no one is held accountable.
I think it comes down to “false advertising” if people are going to take a supplement, they want to know what they are taking. Even if it still works, I want to know what I’m putting in my body
For life longevity and maximum health, it is best to stay away from all of these supplements and get your nutrition from real food. If you need to meet specific protein macros within minimal calories or cannot eat so much then a good whey protein isolate is the only supplement you really need. Everything else, even creatine, just stay away.
You may have “called yourself out” (after someone else did), but have you conducted hazardous health evaluations on the supplement to inform potential recalls due to mislabeling, potential new side effects, contraindications, etc? Have you taken it off your site? Have you rebranded / relabeled the product to be accurate to the findings? Have you resubmitted new documentation to the FDA based on the new contents of the supplement? Have ya even offered full refunds to every person to ever purchase it since they didn’t get what they thought they were buying?
He doesn’t need to do any type of hazardous health screenings on the product they were already done by the original manufacturer. He’s posted notifications of the variation within the product. Because the product works may work as a labeled and is not hazardous he doesn’t need to recall it. And he’s not legally required to submit anything to the FDA because the required tests were done by the original manufacture. Until the FDA changes their standards which they should he’s under no obligation.
The FDA has very limited control over supplements. Only if they can prove they are harmful can they do something. It is not against the rules with dietary supplements to claim they work and not have evidence that they do. I gave Greg a hard time about Turk at first, however at this point if people still want to buy it then it is on them. While I doubt it works, I have seen no evidence it is harmful in any way.
No he didn't stop selling it, nor when I tried to post a product review calling it out as purchaser that is was tested and found to be bunk would they post my review. That tells you everything, keep selling and block anything that calls it out.
I think once this current batch of labels get sold out he’s going to call it ectybuilder Technically on the label it’s Called Turk builder From turkesticia extract and The word turkesterone was never on the bottle or did it claim pure Turkestone like others companies . But I agree eventually he will change the name
“You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.” - PLOT TWIST He was ALWAYS the villan - Money doesn’t change you; it reveals who you are when you no longer have to be nice or need the approval of others.
Greg, I respect your work in general. But you can't strive to become one of the leading voices regarding Turkesterone, then complain when you are the one people associate with that supplement when there are issues and confusions with it. I understand that you're trying to do the right thing now by editing your old Turk Builder videos and coming clean about Turkesterone. That's honorable. But because of the confusion of the past year, you have to expect some criticism and doubt about Turk Builder, even if you now try to clarify that it's actually ecdysteroids that are working. How can we be sure that this time, we are getting real information? Count me as one of the people who respects you overall, but will wait for further studies on Turkesterone, or ecdysteroids.
@@chjeltness: Yes, that was embarrassing for Greg to say that about Creatine/Anavar! For anyone still wondering: the difference is that Creatine is a known substance, with perhaps hundreds of human trials that have shown repeated benefit. There might still be a placebo effect from taking Creatine, but it would be from taking Creatine -- not some unknown and untested substance.
He literally told you there's no solid info on it how can you blame him for something you blindly took. At what point is it not your own fault, especially when someone forewarned you about it. 😂 at this point you're still just a child that's incapable of reasonable decision making
As is the case with science, its a step by step process of refinement. No doubt this current stance will change over time, but it will get more refined then it is now.
Yeah that’s what I’m saying, Greg does give quality content to the people and not misleading people but I feel like he shouldn’t sell Turkesterone in the first place and just take it down but at least Greg is not telling us that Turkesterone works and build muscle and not telling us to buy it so I gotta give credit to Greg on that
@@matthewschenker3170 i think the real problem is that even if turkesterone or the ecdysteroids actually work, there is not enough research to say WHO is actually doing the job if someone is actually doing something, the problem with his argument of "it may be working, it may be other thing" is exactly that YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THE FUCK IS SUPPOSED TO WORK, therefore you can't dose it correctly and you can't market it as a safe a bet, you can't even market as a product, you're selling a dream, you may make your dreams come true but you may not
@@CounterSpice but living by cookbooks alone are not going to support his current lifestyle. A Man simply cannot live off of cookbooks and training alone. Not when they want houses, cars, toys and a farm.
Jeff isn’t correct because he is only looking at Turkesterone. And not the fact that most of the supplements have a variation of Ectysteroids that work in conjunction with Turkesterone. Not to mention the fact that he is referencing Greg in this mis characterization.
Greg: My Turkesterone product was tested and is completely bogus. Also Greg: Everyone go buy my Turkesterone product I gained 4 pounds in a month it’s amazing! How does he not realise this? 3 years ago Greg would have torn this money driven version of himself to shreds , G Shreds
What don’t you realize Danny? His turkesterone isn’t bogus, it’s just not 100% turkesterone. Not even 50% Turk, but the point is Greg is being 100% transparent and this supplement ACTUALLY WORKS for some people and doesn’t work as well if at all for other people… he explains this if you watch the video..
You and MPMD are supposed to be the trusted people in the fitness community but honestly you're not much better than anybody else. This has been going on for months and more people are starting to realize it.
@@MovieInTheMix I think the turk derek is selling has the same issues (aka, not countaining the marketing amout of turk). That and the fact he is selling turk to begin with
@@MovieInTheMix Derek and Greg are getting their Turk from the same supplier so they both have the same issues where they have almost no Turk in the product they are selling
If you claim to sell Creatine, but you actually sell Anavar, you should face legal consequences. If you claim to sell Turkesterone, but actually sell other random crap, you should also face legal consequences.
If you invest in any supplement it will make you want to train harder because you will want to make sure you get 100% of the possible benefits from it. That being said I’ve noticed over my 25 years of training a trend of wonder supplements coming and going. People gotta make money over others impatience.
Coming from someone that has used A LOT of supplements, I say: supplements in general are worthless. Maybe some vitamin D, magnesium and a multivitamin is ok. The rest is like throwing money in the toilet. This whole industry is a scam.
Right. Most people who are buying these wonder supplements are typically beginer or novice lifters so they'll make gains with or without these supplements, but because they've been convinced of the efficacy of the product they will attribute gains to the product.
It’s a bit off-putting to see how we started watching Greg for his “no-BS” approach and now he has started doing the same things that he called others out for. Jeff is right in saying that you cannot possibly launch a suplement and claim it works if you yourself have no idea what is actually in it. I get the fact that he is honest about the lab test results, but shouldn’t Greg have already known what compounds were in his own product ? Is it ethical to sell something and claim it is Turkesterone only to then be confronted with the reality and have to admit it is actually not ? That’s what’s wrong with Greg’s point: he shouldn’t have launched a suplement until he was 100% sure about its contents. As it seems to me right now, Greg probably just subcontracted some suplement manufacturer for the TurkBuilder without actually checking its authenticity for himself. And that is something you simply cannot do if your whole image is based around honesty and transparency between you and your audience.
How can he be 100% sure of anything if he isn't the one performing the tests himself. The supplier told him it's this and FDA said yeah it is this so he sold it. I highly doubt anyone critiquing him would've acted any diffrent.
@@TheSuperBoyProject I don't think that when you sell nutritional supplements (which are not nearly as tightly quality-controlled as medicine but are sometimes at the same level of complexity) you should just "trust" what a supplier claims. You should first require tests that prove those claims and even comission tests from a 3rd party lab before launching the product. I do not believe that you can ever be 100% sure about anything, but claiming that you simply couldn't have possibly known the truth about your product's content is not enough to lift the blame from upon yourself.
Greg: "If you were to buy creatine and used it and it worked and you put on muscle and you found out that it wasn't creatine, but anavar... Does that mean that it was just placebo?" No, greg. But I would definitely want my money back... So are you going to refund the people who bought your turkesterone product that isn't turkesterone?
That would make sense if people actually knew what turke really is. Since nobody really understands the biochemistry behind the compound, it doesn't seem very relevant, people were buying it because of its effect not it's name. That being said I would never buy a supplement that it's not heavily studied, no matter what the analytical bulletin says
I think that’s a funny analogy too considering he put Ashwaganda in it. A supplement that has actual evidence supporting a variety of benefits including reduced stress/anxiety, reduced cortisol, increased power output and even some evidence for increasing testosterone.
@@gregdoucette thats how you gain popularity didnt ya? You know this gets you attention than just fitness content. Just look at how many educational videos you made compared to reaction to other ppl fitness content. Dont be a hypocrite greg.
I've always enjoyed Greg's workout advice, but once he started selling supplements I already knew to turn my brain off to that part because once money becomes involved the more a person gets the more they will do to keep it because now they have more to lose. So I still stay for the advice, but I don't buy into any subject on anything that has something to do with a product he's selling.
Greg. Please just apologize for the discrepancy without any excuses. Every time you defend yourself I just cringe at the justifications. Big fan but I hate to see this.
They are almost all ecdy which do have a lot of studies and have anabolic effect. So much so that it's been referred to WADA to be banned from competition.
TURK BUILDER contains a variety of ECDYSTEROIDS but only trace TURKESTERONE but the ecdysteroids are whats been shown in studies to be effective. At least my company tells you that its not 50 mg of TURKESTERONE. Ask waht all the other companies claims are.
Greg may be a professional bodybuilder and powerlifter. But he could honestly try out for NFL cornerback with the level of backpedaling he did in this video. Shits just sad and disappointing after being a fan for years.
Probs because you was so LOUD about it, so now it is linked to you. You promoted it so heavily (even in vids that had nothing to do with it) so that it’s forever going to be associated to you, just how it goes
I mean they both have good points so I cool with watching both channels completely unfazed. This is just how fitness is mates. Even studies contradict each other but are both simultaneously useful. :)
Greg just stop selling Turk bro. We all love you and we all love Nippard. You’ve only hurt yourself with the Turk defending and we all wanna see you prosper my guy
I admire your effort to make things right and get the truth out regardless of how it may effect your business or your likeness. Much respect. I’m glad we have a community that isn’t afraid to correct and explain when information changes or advances.
LOL. Fanboyism is really something. He only reacted weeks after everything was already exposed, then tried to shift the blame on Derek, and still sells a fraudulent product. Thanks to people like you Gregg became the sellout he is now. Take care.
Only the fitness community would give a company or influencer a pass for selling a product without the claimed ingredient. And if that isn't enough, defend the guy for doing so. Lastly, are we supposed to be impressed that you took the time to edit the videos making those claims? You're lucky the product didn't contain something harmful.
@@christotheedge I didn't try turk builder per se, I used turkesterone supplement from another brand with same 10% plant extract and nothing additional.
I think people put way too much importance on supplements, and also training way more than they should if they are natural. Honestly, rest and sleep and eating properly are just as important as training.
Greg, it would probably be helpful to your argument if you went into more detail the process of deciding to sell a supplement. For example, I bet a lot viewers think that you're in the lab, mixing compounds with a lab coat and goggles on when in reality, you're actually contacting manufacturers to find already-available sources of this supplement (I assume). More clarity on this sourcing process, how you compared manufacturers etc. This would certainly help. All the best.
It’s still his responsibility to know what’s in the product he’s bringing to the market. It’s his responsibility to WORK WITH THE MANUFACTURER to make sure the product he’s selling meets his specifications. This is such a stupid comment. He sold it as Turkesterone for an extended period of time. He has no idea what is in each batch of this stuff. They are throwing random stuff in a pill and for some reason you people want to justify it. His brother said it’s being sold as Ecdy Builder in another comment yet it’s still being advertised and promoted as Turk Builder. There is a dedicated Turk builder tab on their website. You are okay with having no idea with what you’re putting in your body and following him blindly. Then when it’s Ecdy Builder, will you be equally as chill with them throwing whatever Chinese concoction the manufacturer chooses in it untested? Because they won’t need to tell you what’s in it then. It will be a blend. So dumb.
If he offered more clarity on it and all the kids that by his products because they think he’s actually formulating them would stop buying them. There is no way he won’t ever do that
@@billymurphy3 they don’t claim to have turkesterone in the product and they call it Turk builder. Do you really think they can instantly change the turkbuilder tab to the new one? They have to create new labels and packaging before they can advertise it
I thought Turk was already a dead topic in the industry. Only reason I’m still taking mine from Coach is simply for the ashwagandha benefits. And because I spent over $100 for the 3 pack😞😒 “Fool me once….”
@@gregdoucette maybe the gains were from breathing air harder then last time? you cant prove you didnt breathe more then before turk so you definitly made the gains through more oxygen
@@gregdoucette people want to know what’s exactly going in there bodies. It shouldn’t be labeled turkesterone. You cant just say it’s a mix of different things then.
Jeez people, just eat healthy, do strength and cardio training in a balanced approach, take some vitamins and protein if you really need to, and enjoy life. Stop trying to find a magic pill. Even if it works or doesn't, just keep it simple and in accordance with our natural state of being. Crazy times, crazy times.
okay you still sold a product you knew has no evidence of being efficacious towards performance or hypertrophy, and claim to test the product so you also sold it knowing theres not even any of the claimed snake oil in the bottle. Greg we all still like you and your content, just move on from turkesterone lol.
If you call yourself out that is still biased because you call something out to make yourself look good but deny others because 'I have reviewed myself and front myself not guilty'
Hey Greg what about the new test booster that you are selling? Why didn't you respond to the part of Jeff's video where he talks about test boosters? You have a video called "Top 3 || Best and Worst NATURAL Supplements For Putting On Muscle" where you say test boosters are basically useless
I agree with Jeff. I don't listen to detailed product information, or read labels to determine contents. If it's called Turk builder, I assume the product is 100% turkesterone; much in the same way that Coca Cola can also be assumed to be 100% coca. *EXTREME SARCASM INTENDED*
I know, right? When I buy Doritos I expect 100% Doritos in the bag. But then there's this mylar shit on the outside, nitrogen gas filling up half the bag.... and then when you read the ingredients, "Doritos" isn't even one of them! TF, I didn't order this "corn meal" crap! ;)
Greg, others aren't getting called out because it's you 2 who we trust the most. You and Derek have helped the fitness community grow more than the entire fitness RUclips combined. That's why everyone is simply more critical of you 2 guys.
Someone with integrity would never have put their name on a non-tested product and sell it. Especially someone who preaches about integrity and giving their fanbase the best products.
Let’s all remember that Greg’s product was high lighted that it was under dosed and mislabelled by a customer. Until then greg would of still been selling a false product.
The real question, is are you guys willing to make a supplement that is 100% turkesterone? I don’t understand why there isn’t a company out there that just makes super pure stuff, in order to stand out and win the market.
Greg is the most honest person on the internet that i know. Try to think another person who would sell something, sayi it MAY work, and than after FDA approval, test it by himself at a higher level, and call himself out for selling something else by mistake.
I tried Turk last year and it was pretty good I’ve had an injury since that stopped me training but overall it was good great video greg I might make a vid on my experience
@@RichardS-hz6wn I've taken SARMs before, I could tell a difference between the SARMS and turk builder. Not as effective but still much better than creatine. I went from 235 on bench with no pause to 250 with a pause. I went from 365 on deadlift to 405. 285 on squat to 335. This all happened in a month and a half, how is that placebo?
It does work for me, however, Greg on the turk I have, in the ingredients it specifcally says 500mg of Turk. You're only showing an updated ingredient list, which you have obviously changed to avoid backlash. This is what I bought from you.
To be fair, he explicitly acknowledges this in the video. He says there was a batch of labels made by the label-maker that erroneously stated the 500g figure, which has since been corrected.
I've been workingout for 10 years its definitely not placebo and it works. Just because it hasn't worked for you doesn't mean it hasn't worked for someone else.
Same experience, I felt the effects the first time I went to the gym, I had a different pump, no way it was placebo I know my body, people are ignorant.
For u and know u know you should never do it again. Human study done for yourself 👌that's how you should test every supplement u use. Test what works for u
I started taking Turkesterone and Ecdysterone 4 Months ago. I am definately stronger now. But I can't tell which product is better, as I started taking them at the same time.
Here’s the thing. A lot of people criticize Greg for making money off an unproven product. But, at the end of the day, you CHOOSE to buy something or not. As long as you’re not intentionally misleading customers, I don’t see the problem. Definitely, he messed up with the labeling, but I’m glad he’s taking accountability and telling us what he’s going to do about it. Everyone has fuck ups.
I had AMAZING results with turkesterone. I gained 45lbs of muscle in a year. It was newbie gains, sort of but I still think it’s a bit extraordinary. Also during that year, I plateaued severely whenever I ran out. When I was on it, I could do 5x5s and not get sore, or be minimally sore. They say it doesn’t work for everyone though
I mean guys, he did say newbie gains. 40lbs in a year after a few years is sketchy, but 40lbs in first year of training IF the person is ridiculously lacking muscle and never done much physical work, can easily rack on 40lbs
I took 9 bottles of Turk and i felt they worked so well for me, i could train longer and my pumps where awesome. And I’ve done hear it was probably the closest thing that I’ve felt since taking gear, i stopped taking it for a month and i felt something different i took it again and i felt awesome again my vascularity was insane even when i didn’t train, there was a point where i had to take 7 capsules instead of 6 bc i felt like i was building a tolerance but that was after like my 6th bottle.
Greg literally took his product off the market and is calling himself out instead of denial and subversion. By a marketing perspective denial and subversion is always the better route because consumers have the attention span of a gold fish. By calling more attention to himself and doing the "right thing" he is actually hurting himself. I admire this and hopefully this mistake is not made again.
We are calling you out because you’ve not really apologised or offered a refund for selling something which wasn’t what you said it was. Shameful. Profits over integrity.
"if you had bought creatine and used it and it worked and it put on muscle and you found out at the end that it wasn't creatine that it was actually anavar does that mean that it was just placebo?" 🤦♂🤦♂🤷♂🤷♂😂😂
I've always been a big fan of you Greg and thank you for many many great advices and for all the BS you debunked. But the day you started selling Turkesteron was the day I stopped watching your content. It's a shame
Seems like we have a problem where the GCMS (gas-chromatography mass-spectrometry) is being ultra-specific in its detection of different isomers, whereas the production of the product for human use has a large degree of variability in constitution. That is generally the case with compounds sourced "naturally" rather than in organic laboratory synthesis.
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If you can’t even test the compound you’re selling (by your own admission) how can you possibly be comfortable marketing it to the masses? That's the part of this defense that I don't understand.
This^
B-B-BUT 4lbs in a mOnTh tho :(
Boom roasted.
'Anecdotal evidence'
Jeff you clearly aren't capable of an unbiased opinion on this. what makes you say you can't test for it? and what do you mean by Greg's own admission? PS. ask your friend Eric helms to go over 2 recent papers on natural bodybuilding supplements and why he thinks beta alanine is great for bodybuilders. oh wait. you wouldn't do that because of more clear bias.
Honestly I was a huge Doucette fan for a couple years, always giving excellent advice and tips regarding diet, supplements as well as training, and just seeing how he’s becoming what he swore to destroy in the industry is just saddening.
i know right, but its so much fun to hatewatch him, hes digging himself deeper every month
It's not that bad. His content is still great. He's like what Bill Phillips should have been.
“YOU SWORE TO DESTROY THE SITH NOT JOIN THEM, BRING BALANCE TO THE FORCE NOT LEAVE IT IN DARKNESS”
Agreed, the fact of the matter is, Gregg is so stubborn and financial invested in his Turk crap that he’s doubling down. He doesn’t care if this Turk Saga” destroys his rep, he will ride this gravey train all the way to the bank 🏦 so long as their are gullible viewers for Gregg to scam. He’s full of shit on this video. Nice work Jeff Nippard!
Nobody cares about your life.
You just love drama
In an alternate universe Gregg would be calling out jeff for selling a bunk product. Times have changed
Money doesn’t change you; it reveals who you are when you no longer have to be nice or need the approval of others.
When you see yourself with a mansion, lambos, traveling the world…you end up losing your integrity
@@iamcorneliu1097
It’s “losing” NOT “loosing”
@@martysilber916 🤓
That’s why I stopped watching Greg a long time ago. Videos are very different now, it’s all about drama and selling stuff
My biggest issue is we trusted Greg and took this product and it ended up being something else. Just because it works doesn’t mean we agreed to take the ingredients found in what was suppose to be terk yet he gets mad when anyone mentions his massive fuck up. Imagine how the customers felt… Can’t just shove a mix of unknown ingredients in a pill and label it something else and get away with it.
This is the biggest problem with the supplement industry, the lack of regulation allows for this. A label can say one thing while the actual product is completely different and no one is held accountable.
I think it comes down to “false advertising” if people are going to take a supplement, they want to know what they are taking. Even if it still works, I want to know what I’m putting in my body
For life longevity and maximum health, it is best to stay away from all of these supplements and get your nutrition from real food. If you need to meet specific protein macros within minimal calories or cannot eat so much then a good whey protein isolate is the only supplement you really need. Everything else, even creatine, just stay away.
Avoid supplements. Who knows what's in em.
@@starrebornalpha why avoid creatine?
@@starrebornalpha I think creatine and protein powder is ok, why do you exclude creatine?
@@subject8776 probably because he thinks u should minimize the supplements intake so only protien is the one that can be necessery
You may have “called yourself out” (after someone else did), but have you conducted hazardous health evaluations on the supplement to inform potential recalls due to mislabeling, potential new side effects, contraindications, etc? Have you taken it off your site? Have you rebranded / relabeled the product to be accurate to the findings? Have you resubmitted new documentation to the FDA based on the new contents of the supplement? Have ya even offered full refunds to every person to ever purchase it since they didn’t get what they thought they were buying?
He doesn’t need to do any type of hazardous health screenings on the product they were already done by the original manufacturer. He’s posted notifications of the variation within the product. Because the product works may work as a labeled and is not hazardous he doesn’t need to recall it. And he’s not legally required to submit anything to the FDA because the required tests were done by the original manufacture. Until the FDA changes their standards which they should he’s under no obligation.
The FDA has very limited control over supplements. Only if they can prove they are harmful can they do something. It is not against the rules with dietary supplements to claim they work and not have evidence that they do. I gave Greg a hard time about Turk at first, however at this point if people still want to buy it then it is on them. While I doubt it works, I have seen no evidence it is harmful in any way.
No he didn't stop selling it, nor when I tried to post a product review calling it out as purchaser that is was tested and found to be bunk would they post my review. That tells you everything, keep selling and block anything that calls it out.
no because he turned into a money goblin
Anyone who wanted a refund due to the incorrect labeling should get that for all product they purchased before the relabeling
Maybe it should stop being called Turkesterone since that’s not the main ingredient that seems to be affecting peoples’ performance? 🤷♂️
Well coach calls it turk-builder, still misleading title since it barely has any turk in it 🤔
@@gogginz he was talking about placebo because that's the main ingredient..
I also think that instead of relabelling it, he should try to get the proper amount of Turk into the product
I agree that he should have changed the label to ectobuilder or something.
I think once this current batch of labels get sold out he’s going to call it ectybuilder
Technically on the label it’s Called Turk builder
From turkesticia extract and The word turkesterone was never on the bottle or did it claim pure Turkestone like others companies . But I agree eventually he will change the name
“You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.” - PLOT TWIST He was ALWAYS the villan - Money doesn’t change you; it reveals who you are when you no longer have to be nice or need the approval of others.
Greg, I respect your work in general. But you can't strive to become one of the leading voices regarding Turkesterone, then complain when you are the one people associate with that supplement when there are issues and confusions with it. I understand that you're trying to do the right thing now by editing your old Turk Builder videos and coming clean about Turkesterone. That's honorable. But because of the confusion of the past year, you have to expect some criticism and doubt about Turk Builder, even if you now try to clarify that it's actually ecdysteroids that are working. How can we be sure that this time, we are getting real information? Count me as one of the people who respects you overall, but will wait for further studies on Turkesterone, or ecdysteroids.
@@chjeltness: Yes, that was embarrassing for Greg to say that about Creatine/Anavar!
For anyone still wondering: the difference is that Creatine is a known substance, with perhaps hundreds of human trials that have shown repeated benefit. There might still be a placebo effect from taking Creatine, but it would be from taking Creatine -- not some unknown and untested substance.
He literally told you there's no solid info on it how can you blame him for something you blindly took. At what point is it not your own fault, especially when someone forewarned you about it. 😂 at this point you're still just a child that's incapable of reasonable decision making
As is the case with science, its a step by step process of refinement. No doubt this current stance will change over time, but it will get more refined then it is now.
Yeah that’s what I’m saying, Greg does give quality content to the people and not misleading people but I feel like he shouldn’t sell Turkesterone in the first place and just take it down but at least Greg is not telling us that Turkesterone works and build muscle and not telling us to buy it so I gotta give credit to Greg on that
@@matthewschenker3170 i think the real problem is that even if turkesterone or the ecdysteroids actually work, there is not enough research to say WHO is actually doing the job if someone is actually doing something, the problem with his argument of "it may be working, it may be other thing" is exactly that YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THE FUCK IS SUPPOSED TO WORK, therefore you can't dose it correctly and you can't market it as a safe a bet, you can't even market as a product, you're selling a dream, you may make your dreams come true but you may not
Jeff is 100% right…I don’t know what the issue is.
Delete that terrorist flag from your username
@@CounterSpice but living by cookbooks alone are not going to support his current lifestyle. A Man simply cannot live off of cookbooks and training alone. Not when they want houses, cars, toys and a farm.
That flag represents inbreeding and hate
Jeff isn’t correct because he is only looking at Turkesterone. And not the fact that most of the supplements have a variation of Ectysteroids that work in conjunction with Turkesterone. Not to mention the fact that he is referencing Greg in this mis characterization.
But I agree that turkesterone is backed by no human research.
Greg: My Turkesterone product was tested and is completely bogus.
Also Greg: Everyone go buy my Turkesterone product I gained 4 pounds in a month it’s amazing!
How does he not realise this? 3 years ago Greg would have torn this money driven version of himself to shreds , G Shreds
What don’t you realize Danny? His turkesterone isn’t bogus, it’s just not 100% turkesterone. Not even 50% Turk, but the point is Greg is being 100% transparent and this supplement ACTUALLY WORKS for some people and doesn’t work as well if at all for other people… he explains this if you watch the video..
You lives long enough to see yourself become the villain.
@@nicholasmarsico5968 and gained 4 pound of muscle in a month from lesser than 50% turk ?????? Then it would be a mind blowing natty supplement 🤣
Low calorie dense shreds mind you
it works bro try it
Great video by Jeff. Liked the video and Agreed on everything he said.
The dickening is crazy...
@Bahodi Zafa Not true. I do. Plus....that's a very unhelpful and negative comment to make. What exactly do you hope to achieve from it?
@@simonandfitness to stop people spending a lot of thier cash for nothing?
That's great, go watch some more of his videos
@@antonkucherov4491 I was saying not true to "nobody cares". I think you've the wrong end of the stick.
You and MPMD are supposed to be the trusted people in the fitness community but honestly you're not much better than anybody else. This has been going on for months and more people are starting to realize it.
What’s wrong with Derek? Haven’t seen him sell bottles false ingredients ..
@@MovieInTheMix I think the turk derek is selling has the same issues (aka, not countaining the marketing amout of turk). That and the fact he is selling turk to begin with
Greg was very informative around 2019-2020 but now he just spews garbage videos and will get angry when some one says turkesterone doesn’t work
@@MovieInTheMix Derek and Greg are getting their Turk from the same supplier so they both have the same issues where they have almost no Turk in the product they are selling
Trusting someone online.
If you claim to sell Creatine, but you actually sell Anavar, you should face legal consequences. If you claim to sell Turkesterone, but actually sell other random crap, you should also face legal consequences.
It never claimed to be 100% the name pf the product it's not 100%. The product it still has turk in it, does it really matter in wich proportion it is
@@marcofearg9956 yes, it obviously does
@@marcofearg9956 ok… if I sell you a bottle of sugar labelled “SALT” with 10% salt in the bottle. Are you ok with that? FRAUD IS FRAUD
If you invest in any supplement it will make you want to train harder because you will want to make sure you get 100% of the possible benefits from it. That being said I’ve noticed over my 25 years of training a trend of wonder supplements coming and going. People gotta make money over others impatience.
True
Coming from someone that has used A LOT of supplements, I say: supplements in general are worthless. Maybe some vitamin D, magnesium and a multivitamin is ok. The rest is like throwing money in the toilet. This whole industry is a scam.
Not really…. I invest in many supplements and still eat McDonald’s or pizza every day
Right. Most people who are buying these wonder supplements are typically beginer or novice lifters so they'll make gains with or without these supplements, but because they've been convinced of the efficacy of the product they will attribute gains to the product.
@@vibingwithkingnephi5117 He was talking about training specifically, nothing about diet
It’s a bit off-putting to see how we started watching Greg for his “no-BS” approach and now he has started doing the same things that he called others out for. Jeff is right in saying that you cannot possibly launch a suplement and claim it works if you yourself have no idea what is actually in it. I get the fact that he is honest about the lab test results, but shouldn’t Greg have already known what compounds were in his own product ? Is it ethical to sell something and claim it is Turkesterone only to then be confronted with the reality and have to admit it is actually not ?
That’s what’s wrong with Greg’s point: he shouldn’t have launched a suplement until he was 100% sure about its contents. As it seems to me right now, Greg probably just subcontracted some suplement manufacturer for the TurkBuilder without actually checking its authenticity for himself. And that is something you simply cannot do if your whole image is based around honesty and transparency between you and your audience.
How can he be 100% sure of anything if he isn't the one performing the tests himself. The supplier told him it's this and FDA said yeah it is this so he sold it. I highly doubt anyone critiquing him would've acted any diffrent.
@@TheSuperBoyProject I don't think that when you sell nutritional supplements (which are not nearly as tightly quality-controlled as medicine but are sometimes at the same level of complexity) you should just "trust" what a supplier claims. You should first require tests that prove those claims and even comission tests from a 3rd party lab before launching the product. I do not believe that you can ever be 100% sure about anything, but claiming that you simply couldn't have possibly known the truth about your product's content is not enough to lift the blame from upon yourself.
It's like batman. You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
Even if greg doesn't die from using turk, he will surely die from the stress of defending turk against the entirety of fitness youtube.
Watch this video before you comment on it.
Very sad when ppl dont watch the vid.
@@KR-bg6zy not that sad. Pretty representative of general population IQ
Greg can literally use clips of himself, yet brainlets will still comment this stuff. No point defending against trolls.
Greg: "If you were to buy creatine and used it and it worked and you put on muscle and you found out that it wasn't creatine, but anavar... Does that mean that it was just placebo?"
No, greg. But I would definitely want my money back... So are you going to refund the people who bought your turkesterone product that isn't turkesterone?
I wouldnt cuz creatine does not work for me, maybe anavar will
On the refund, but you are correct on turk
You know the supp industry is not regulated so it is buyer beware when it comes to everything upto and including vitamin C.
That would make sense if people actually knew what turke really is. Since nobody really understands the biochemistry behind the compound, it doesn't seem very relevant, people were buying it because of its effect not it's name.
That being said I would never buy a supplement that it's not heavily studied, no matter what the analytical bulletin says
Turk buyer🤡🤣
I think that’s a funny analogy too considering he put Ashwaganda in it. A supplement that has actual evidence supporting a variety of benefits including reduced stress/anxiety, reduced cortisol, increased power output and even some evidence for increasing testosterone.
I love the drama in RUclips fitness community more than the actual fitness content 😆
Ain’t that the truth!
Well yeah I don't even lift 😃
Ya unfortunately I get more views from drama then jsut educxaiton
@@gregdoucette thats how you gain popularity didnt ya? You know this gets you attention than just fitness content.
Just look at how many educational videos you made compared to reaction to other ppl fitness content. Dont be a hypocrite greg.
@@MrDarryl2053 ,, damn ,,, cry much?
Damn! The mental gymnastics this dude makes you do...
I've always enjoyed Greg's workout advice, but once he started selling supplements I already knew to turn my brain off to that part because once money becomes involved the more a person gets the more they will do to keep it because now they have more to lose. So I still stay for the advice, but I don't buy into any subject on anything that has something to do with a product he's selling.
Greg you’ve just sold out. Admit it, you were selling a product without knowing if it was effective
Greg. Please just apologize for the discrepancy without any excuses. Every time you defend yourself I just cringe at the justifications. Big fan but I hate to see this.
💯
Full expected this. Wonder if it's Turk being a placebo or having some noticeable improvements in performance. Mostly anecdotal in nature.
I had noticeable performance increase using turk but obviously that's anecdotal
@@8hrarmpepes23 you didn’t use Turk. You used some random Chinese Ecdysteroid.
@@billymurphy3 and highly under dosed at that.
They are almost all ecdy which do have a lot of studies and have anabolic effect. So much so that it's been referred to WADA to be banned from competition.
TURK BUILDER contains a variety of ECDYSTEROIDS but only trace TURKESTERONE but the ecdysteroids are whats been shown in studies to be effective. At least my company tells you that its not 50 mg of TURKESTERONE. Ask waht all the other companies claims are.
Stop slapping your legs lol
Lol. Can’t unhear that now. Ahhh so annoying now.
Jeff is like the prosecutor of turk and greg is the turk's lawyer
Watch the video
Did you watch the first minute of the video?
@@nguyenhoangquockhanh4930 still a valid analogy LOL
@@epicbehavior more like “the lawyer who agrees with everything the prosecutor said”
Better Call Greg
Greg may be a professional bodybuilder and powerlifter.
But he could honestly try out for NFL cornerback with the level of backpedaling he did in this video.
Shits just sad and disappointing after being a fan for years.
Probs because you was so LOUD about it, so now it is linked to you.
You promoted it so heavily (even in vids that had nothing to do with it) so that it’s forever going to be associated to you, just how it goes
I mean they both have good points so I cool with watching both channels completely unfazed. This is just how fitness is mates. Even studies contradict each other but are both simultaneously useful. :)
Not many people can find a good in everything. Nice to know some people aren’t closed minded and only in one camp. Saying the other is bad
@@thewatcher2145 Indeed, what i have been looking for!
Everybody wanna make sides of everything🤦♂️
Greg just stop selling Turk bro. We all love you and we all love Nippard. You’ve only hurt yourself with the Turk defending and we all wanna see you prosper my guy
I admire your effort to make things right and get the truth out regardless of how it may effect your business or your likeness. Much respect. I’m glad we have a community that isn’t afraid to correct and explain when information changes or advances.
Making things right would have been refunding people their money. Greg is trash
after already making bank of it
LOL. Fanboyism is really something. He only reacted weeks after everything was already exposed, then tried to shift the blame on Derek, and still sells a fraudulent product. Thanks to people like you Gregg became the sellout he is now. Take care.
Greg twisting himself in a knot to convince himself to continue to sell that placebo.
Mental gymnastics
Ecdysterone works so it is not a placebo effect.
The constant derek name dropping is annoying too
a placebo effect is actually better
You didnt watch the video for more than 3:30 smh.
Hey there kids,
Just don’t do drugs. Pick up the weights, then put them down. Eat in caloric surplus and go to sleep. Rinse-repeat.
Iam truly disgusted by the amount of people who a trying to justify the lie, while claiming Greg is the white knight of the fitness industry .
“4lbs of muscle in a month”
Only the fitness community would give a company or influencer a pass for selling a product without the claimed ingredient. And if that isn't enough, defend the guy for doing so. Lastly, are we supposed to be impressed that you took the time to edit the videos making those claims? You're lucky the product didn't contain something harmful.
¨You're lucky the product didn't contain something harmful.¨ - exactly!
Oh no his editors who are paid had to do work to cover up for him. Why edit if everything you said was true?
@@helios4425 And he is getting his money´s worth. Editor Steve is in the comment section defending the product as we comment.
@@jasonito23 it's a family run business
It’s a like a religion. Ppl following blindly. Can’t get any weirder than that
I just realized after watching Greg for a long time that Greg actually slaps his hand on his legs a little too much😂!
I was thinking the same thing, it got a little distracting lol
Same here🤣
my left ear does not like that very much =))
Haha yeah he did this alot this video....something new I guess
So annoying! You’re not alone.
I think the saddest part has been watching Gregg descend into a marketing ploy from where he used to be a high quality source of free information.
Tried turk, got leaner, and grow more lean muscle. I have abs now without changing my diet. It definitely works for me.
Greg...is that you?
weird because there wasn't even any Turk In the product they sold.
Me too, I’m training for years now with same intensity and diet and I got way stronger and got more muscles.
@@christotheedge I didn't try turk builder per se, I used turkesterone supplement from another brand with same 10% plant extract and nothing additional.
@@ruudvonder2716 I even got comments on how I got bigger and leaner, however my weight stayed the same. It's very surprising.
“You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.”
He was ALWAYS the villan...
People needs to watch the full video
Essentially Jeff nippard is correct
I think people put way too much importance on supplements, and also training way more than they should if they are natural. Honestly, rest and sleep and eating properly are just as important as training.
Agreed
Turk defender and apologist activated! 🤣
Greg, it would probably be helpful to your argument if you went into more detail the process of deciding to sell a supplement. For example, I bet a lot viewers think that you're in the lab, mixing compounds with a lab coat and goggles on when in reality, you're actually contacting manufacturers to find already-available sources of this supplement (I assume). More clarity on this sourcing process, how you compared manufacturers etc. This would certainly help. All the best.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Now he needs to rename his pig "Jesse Pinkman"..
It’s still his responsibility to know what’s in the product he’s bringing to the market. It’s his responsibility to WORK WITH THE MANUFACTURER to make sure the product he’s selling meets his specifications.
This is such a stupid comment.
He sold it as Turkesterone for an extended period of time.
He has no idea what is in each batch of this stuff. They are throwing random stuff in a pill and for some reason you people want to justify it.
His brother said it’s being sold as Ecdy Builder in another comment yet it’s still being advertised and promoted as Turk Builder. There is a dedicated Turk builder tab on their website.
You are okay with having no idea with what you’re putting in your body and following him blindly.
Then when it’s Ecdy Builder, will you be equally as chill with them throwing whatever Chinese concoction the manufacturer chooses in it untested? Because they won’t need to tell you what’s in it then. It will be a blend.
So dumb.
If he offered more clarity on it and all the kids that by his products because they think he’s actually formulating them would stop buying them. There is no way he won’t ever do that
@@billymurphy3 they don’t claim to have turkesterone in the product and they call it Turk builder. Do you really think they can instantly change the turkbuilder tab to the new one? They have to create new labels and packaging before they can advertise it
Just workout harder guys. Literally everything but a good diet and hard work is just a scam.
I thought Turk was already a dead topic in the industry. Only reason I’m still taking mine from Coach is simply for the ashwagandha benefits. And because I spent over $100 for the 3 pack😞😒 “Fool me once….”
Big props for admiting you fell into Gregs Trap. Not many people have the ego to do that.
What are the benefits of ashwagandha ? I'm new to all of this 🙂
I’m still taking it I still believe that it works there’s no way I got the games that I get from placebo
@@gregdoucette maybe the gains were from breathing air harder then last time? you cant prove you didnt breathe more then before turk so you definitly made the gains through more oxygen
@@gregdoucette people want to know what’s exactly going in there bodies. It shouldn’t be labeled turkesterone. You cant just say it’s a mix of different things then.
Animal M stak has had turkesterone for ages ...
Ah shit, here we again
Jeez people, just eat healthy, do strength and cardio training in a balanced approach, take some vitamins and protein if you really need to, and enjoy life. Stop trying to find a magic pill. Even if it works or doesn't, just keep it simple and in accordance with our natural state of being.
Crazy times, crazy times.
okay you still sold a product you knew has no evidence of being efficacious towards performance or hypertrophy, and claim to test the product so you also sold it knowing theres not even any of the claimed snake oil in the bottle. Greg we all still like you and your content, just move on from turkesterone lol.
did u watch the video?
Yeah he knew that there was problems so he made the necessary changes.
…but he still knew it wasn’t it claim it was
If you call yourself out that is still biased because you call something out to make yourself look good
but deny others because 'I have reviewed myself and front myself not guilty'
What happened to Greg is like the Dragon Sickness that Thorin Oakenshield came down with in The Hobbit. It's a genuine illness.
Good morning coach Greg hope you and Allie are having a wonderful summer
Hey Greg what about the new test booster that you are selling? Why didn't you respond to the part of Jeff's video where he talks about test boosters? You have a video called "Top 3 || Best and Worst NATURAL Supplements For Putting On Muscle" where you say test boosters are basically useless
Dang, goodbye Greg
I agree with Jeff. I don't listen to detailed product information, or read labels to determine contents. If it's called Turk builder, I assume the product is 100% turkesterone; much in the same way that Coca Cola can also be assumed to be 100% coca. *EXTREME SARCASM INTENDED*
I know, right? When I buy Doritos I expect 100% Doritos in the bag. But then there's this mylar shit on the outside, nitrogen gas filling up half the bag.... and then when you read the ingredients, "Doritos" isn't even one of them! TF, I didn't order this "corn meal" crap! ;)
Greg is so entertaining. Fitness advice and entertainment, whats not to like.
Didn't do anything for me. The only thing I noticed was an uncontrollable appetite.
Yhh same, it allowed me to eat more
That's something lol
@@victorsoto4821 *anything that its proponents claim to do
Looks like someone’s salty that their profits are gonna drop now.
Greg, others aren't getting called out because it's you 2 who we trust the most.
You and Derek have helped the fitness community grow more than the entire fitness RUclips combined.
That's why everyone is simply more critical of you 2 guys.
I have been waiting for this video
Someone with integrity would never have put their name on a non-tested product and sell it. Especially someone who preaches about integrity and giving their fanbase the best products.
But he wants to make big bucks too after seeing Derek making bank 💲💰🤑
Oh sorry.. I thought when a product was named a thing that it would have that thing in it. How stupid of me....
Let’s all remember that Greg’s product was high lighted that it was under dosed and mislabelled by a customer. Until then greg would of still been selling a false product.
The real question, is are you guys willing to make a supplement that is 100% turkesterone? I don’t understand why there isn’t a company out there that just makes super pure stuff, in order to stand out and win the market.
Greg is the most honest person on the internet that i know.
Try to think another person who would sell something, sayi it MAY work, and than after FDA approval, test it by himself at a higher level, and call himself out for selling something else by mistake.
For anyone who isn't able to see the dislikes; they're at about 40%.
I tried Turk last year and it was pretty good I’ve had an injury since that stopped me training but overall it was good great video greg I might make a vid on my experience
@@Farquad76.547 soon come bro 😈
Bought five bottles man, I lost confidence in the brand
lost confidence after 5!!! what did you think after 1.... nothing gained oh ill buy 4 more lol
Whenever I get on a turk cycle i have fuller muscles and PR in the gym every time I go into the gym after a week or two starting Turk Builder.
probably placebo
Me too, I’m training for years now with same intensity and diet and I got way stronger and got more muscles.
Gives me a constant erection. My boyfriend LOVES when I am on the Turk!
go watch space jam buddy same shit happens to them when they drink water with a false label on the bottle thinking its secret stuff
@@RichardS-hz6wn I've taken SARMs before, I could tell a difference between the SARMS and turk builder. Not as effective but still much better than creatine. I went from 235 on bench with no pause to 250 with a pause. I went from 365 on deadlift to 405. 285 on squat to 335. This all happened in a month and a half, how is that placebo?
Really disappointing to see Derek and Greg in this light. I wish I wasn't surprised, shows how greed can corrupt anyone.
It does work for me, however, Greg on the turk I have, in the ingredients it specifcally says 500mg of Turk. You're only showing an updated ingredient list, which you have obviously changed to avoid backlash. This is what I bought from you.
To be fair, he explicitly acknowledges this in the video. He says there was a batch of labels made by the label-maker that erroneously stated the 500g figure, which has since been corrected.
@@KurayamiShikaku he said he has *never* stated it had 500mg of turk. When it had that on the label, no circumvention.
You'd think regulating supplements would be the common sense option but for some reason we never talk about that.
I've been workingout for 10 years its definitely not placebo and it works.
Just because it hasn't worked for you doesn't mean it hasn't worked for someone else.
Same experience, I felt the effects the first time I went to the gym, I had a different pump, no way it was placebo I know my body, people are ignorant.
@@chadlington1 I was getting leaner and getting veins to pop out I've never seen. Especially in my legs. I'll be doing another cycle soon.
@@kennethbell532 yea I had new muscle and a new pump for sure, not to mention I felt great. I have a bottle left I'll be taking in the near future.
My personal experience with Turkesterone has led me to believe it's crap.
Been using 1G daily for 1 month and i didn't feel shiiiiiiiit! Worst supplement i ever used
For u and know u know you should never do it again. Human study done for yourself 👌that's how you should test every supplement u use. Test what works for u
@@Lewiski9356 yeah man you gotta try cat shit I’ve had great results personally
1g lmfao
It literally has steroids in it
The normal dose is 20g per day, hard to get results with 1/20 of that
Greg straight up sold out
I started taking Turkesterone and Ecdysterone 4 Months ago. I am definately stronger now. But I can't tell which product is better, as I started taking them at the same time.
Why did you start taking them at the same time?
🤣🤣🤣🤣
It’s probably hard to tell anyways unless you have each batch tested because each one probably has some random combination of Ecdysteroids
@@stephanea5364 because there’s no choice apparently
@@stephanea5364 because he's nit a researcher or product marketer. He's just a guy who bought some products to get some gainz...
Greg the type of guy to do a natty or not on himself
Here’s the thing. A lot of people criticize Greg for making money off an unproven product. But, at the end of the day, you CHOOSE to buy something or not. As long as you’re not intentionally misleading customers, I don’t see the problem. Definitely, he messed up with the labeling, but I’m glad he’s taking accountability and telling us what he’s going to do about it. Everyone has fuck ups.
More leg slaps than last time.
I had AMAZING results with turkesterone. I gained 45lbs of muscle in a year. It was newbie gains, sort of but I still think it’s a bit extraordinary. Also during that year, I plateaued severely whenever I ran out. When I was on it, I could do 5x5s and not get sore, or be minimally sore. They say it doesn’t work for everyone though
Every thought it may be placebo? That's why we use science and not personal testimonies to make decisions on what we put in our body.
45 lbs of muscle in a year? Stop lying man, even with pds its hard to get that much
I bet my nose you did not gain 45pounds of muscle a year
45lbs of muscle in a year😂😂😂
I mean guys, he did say newbie gains. 40lbs in a year after a few years is sketchy, but 40lbs in first year of training IF the person is ridiculously lacking muscle and never done much physical work, can easily rack on 40lbs
was waiting for this 💀
I took 9 bottles of Turk and i felt they worked so well for me, i could train longer and my pumps where awesome. And I’ve done hear it was probably the closest thing that I’ve felt since taking gear, i stopped taking it for a month and i felt something different i took it again and i felt awesome again my vascularity was insane even when i didn’t train, there was a point where i had to take 7 capsules instead of 6 bc i felt like i was building a tolerance but that was after like my 6th bottle.
Sounds right. The vascularity was crazy for me. Freaky. All the time
Jeff gets extra Buttermore tonight thanks to this vid.
I've used Turk myself, and I believe what it really does is help recup the muscles faster.
I believe eating a cucumber a day helped my muscles recover faster. Has about the same evidence as your claim.
I used turk myself and i believe i can levitate now
it’s funny coach greg trying to damage control after getting busted lol
Turkesterone works awesome,just like my Flintstones vitamins.
Greg literally took his product off the market and is calling himself out instead of denial and subversion. By a marketing perspective denial and subversion is always the better route because consumers have the attention span of a gold fish. By calling more attention to himself and doing the "right thing" he is actually hurting himself. I admire this and hopefully this mistake is not made again.
Admitting fault doesn't remover credibility,. If anything, it reinforces it.
Just call it Placebo Builder XD...
I was a doubter of turk. But then I tried it and yeah it worked.
We are calling you out because you’ve not really apologised or offered a refund for selling something which wasn’t what you said it was. Shameful.
Profits over integrity.
Don't forget the constant promotion aka 4lbs of muscles in a month. Ask greg if he ever gained 4 lbs of muscle while on anaoblic steriods in a month
What would you expect out of someone who even fakes their voice
I get that but Greg should not be the only one to be called out cause some other RUclipsrs sell Turkestorone they should be the one to be called out
Greg Doucette Backpeddling Challenge (HOW FAR CAN HE GO???)
This guy backpedaling this hard, after pushing Turk so hard (despite no labs test showing it actually works) is HILARIOUS 🤣
3:30 proves you wrong.
still works
Admitting faults and clarifying previous videos isn’t backpedaling. It’s owning up and moving forward.
I’m pretty sure he’s always said maybe it does or maybe it doesn’t work. He’s never said it works
Nothing quite like advertising the fact that spoken english is hard for you to understand. lol
Been waiting for this 😭😭
"if you had bought creatine and used it and it worked and it put on muscle and you found out at the end that it wasn't creatine that it was actually anavar does that mean that it was just placebo?" 🤦♂🤦♂🤷♂🤷♂😂😂
You’ve missed the point completely
Except I didn’t buy Anavar. That’s the issue.
Should just put Superdrol in every supplement and then they will all actually work.
Yeah, wtf... Like if i give my money for turk, i want a fking turk.
the difference here is someone's making money selling it.
I've always been a big fan of you Greg and thank you for many many great advices and for all the BS you debunked. But the day you started selling Turkesteron was the day I stopped watching your content. It's a shame
Seems like we have a problem where the GCMS (gas-chromatography mass-spectrometry) is being ultra-specific in its detection of different isomers, whereas the production of the product for human use has a large degree of variability in constitution. That is generally the case with compounds sourced "naturally" rather than in organic laboratory synthesis.
And it is, it’s snake oil just like Ectysterone was back 10 years ago
@Pinko Slink ya I’m sure they do 😂😂😂😂😂
@Pinko Slink sorry I must not be thinking straight. Clearly it’s so effective everyone is using it who wants to be natural 😂😂😂
@@mustang0619 Someone missed the trials
@@jtubef8620 yes someone clearly did