Interesting Video, I wanna start a debate on a few of your points tho if you're up for it Right so, first off, idk why this is in my recommended, it was one of those "Here watch a small creator" things on my frontpage I guess. I wrote down your points and am going to tell you whether or not I agree with them and if not, why DISCLAIMER: Wall of Text Something about me first: I've been playing games since I was 8, was/still am big into MMOs and Esports Titles but recently started playing less and focusing on other things. I've been high ranked in Brawlhalla (+ coached players there) and Rocket League (+ played in tournaments and collegiate league + small amounts of coaching for lower ranked teams). I'm currently in uni for CS and am working on the side as a programmer. - Gaming = Instant Gratification while Life works totally differently This really depends on the game, I don't think Elden Ring or Souls-Games have ever given me instant gratification. Neither did Esports games with a huge learning curve (Rocket League, Brawlhalla, LoL, CSGO in my case), you have to put in the hours and study to get the gratification of finally feeling like you're achieving something. You also mentioned life goals are much harder to get compared to ingame rewards. I've spent ~800 hours on Brawlhalla to get to a High level where I was also able to coach people (Which I did for ~200 hours, not counting time outside the game chatting with students). In Rocket League I've spent ~4000 hours, but that also includes like 100 hours of coaching already. I don't think 4000 hours is instant gratification, it's something I've worked hard for, with a training routine, analysis and teambuilding - Nothing left after turning off PC I still have Prize Pool Money, the feeling of having achieved something, the Skills I've learned (fine motor control, quick thinking, reaction time, teamwork, communication, etc) and the friends I've made. You mentioned you're playing Baseball. What happens when you stop playing Baseball? Do you have more left over than me? You also only have the Skills you aqcuired and friends you made left over (and the Bat you bought ig) - Time Wasted - Gaming is an Addiction, not a Passion, just playing out of habit What is Passion but the Habit of doing something you're interested in? What is Passion but the thing you'd want to do/think about all the time? Atleast that's how I see it. I have friends who are "addicted" (per your definition) to drawing, that's their passion. When they're bored, they draw. - Can't stop playing -> Addiction Partly agree, imo an Addiction is when you're supposed to stop, but can't. So when you don't have anything else to do and you decide to play video games instead -> Not Addicted When you SHOULD be doing smth else that's important, but you can't stop playing -> Addicted - Games just there to make you addicted / Just there for dopamine Agree with a lot of Esports Games and MMOs, they have many systems in place to make you keep coming back so that they can make you buy smth in the ingame shop or smth. Singleplayer Games don't really have this issue a lot of the time. What is my reason to come back to Final Fantasy after finishing it? I don't have one except when I want to re-experience the game. - Conclusion I think there's a lot of points here where I don't agree with you, I hope my view on the topic was interesting for you. In the end whether or not someone wants to stop/continue Gaming really depends on the person. How addictive games are is also very different from person to person. Personally, Gaming is a really big passion for me and also a social hobby since I am connecting with so many people that share the same interests as me. I've made many great memories and made many great friends (and kept up with old ones) through gaming which I'll never forget
Hi, thanks for this comment. Some of the points are potentially a bit controversial but the point of the video was to help those in need with a video game addiction, I guess the RUclips algorithm started recommending it to everyone so you might not be the target audience of the video. My perspective with gaming is that as long as you are not addicted, it doesn't really matter as long as you are in control of it. However, sometimes people are addicted to gaming but they fail to recognize that and that's when it becomes problematic. If gaming is something you enjoy, go ahead and play! Do be aware of the many risks that come with gaming addiction, though.
@@Extrode I see, yeah my RUclips loves to throw curveball videos at me lately. Normally I just click "Not Interested" and move on, but this one caught my eye lol As an Addiction Prevention video, it is quite well made, but I feel like both title and a bit of the phrasing in the video isn't quite fitting then, since for most of the points, you talk like it applies to all games and everyone who plays them I think a bit of differentiation is important here. Totally agree with you tho, that Addiction is a major risk, but that goes for any hobby imo
Yeah I agree, the way I phrased things in the video definitely made it seem like it was targeted towards all people who played video games, which wasn't the intention but I guess it turned out that way. I'll definitely try to remove that kind of phrasing in the future videos. I think I phrased the video that way to help people who are potentially on edge of quitting gaming, but they aren't sure if it is right for them yet, so that is why it does seem a bit generalized.
Incredible video Ex! If you ever want to catch up with all of us on cord, none of us really game anymore. I haven't been on Fort for three months. Most of us are focused on fitness, investing, work, etc, and it's become much more a server about self improvement and just talking with friends. Would love to hear more about how you are doing, love to see you doing so well.
The reason "video game addiction" isn't understood by most people as you say in your description is likely because it's not actually real. Years ago when the WHO classified it as a mental disorder, a ton of psychologists and more objected, including the American Physchiatric Association. They said that video games aren't the addiction, they are the outlet. People "addicted" to video games are actually suffering through other things, like depression, and video games are a coping mechanism and not the issue itself. Literally any hobby you throw yourself into could then be an "addiction" if you do it an unhealthy amount as a way to run from your problems. Likely the only reason video games are singled out is the continued hatred video games get from idiots who want to blame the game instead of bad parenting or other real reasons like actualy mental health issues.
I'm not too clear on the classification from WHO, to be honest. There does seem to be a correlation with suffering through other things and video games, since a lot of people use video games to escape reality. To be honest, the classification of what video games are doesn't matter too much since the key should be to help those in need, and video games do get a lot of unnecessary hate for no reason.
I don't think video game addiction is something that exists, more of an escape to not deal with things you have in the inside (if it were an addiction you'd be tweaking and burning up in fever by the 2nd day of not playing anything) I agree sometimes the escapism of videogames is too alluring for people that have complex issues (I'm including myself in this) and may be an issue to some extent. I've been a gamer since I was a little kid, having a gameboy advance as my first console and before that the snake game on the nokia. Been in love since then, I sometimes in my life have gone long periods of time and haven't missed gaming a single bit, there's just a general missconception about why videogames are so popular nowadays (Granting you stimulation while at the same time isolating you of the rest of things, that can be very attractive to people that are generally overwhelmed and overstimulated) I appreciate this video even if I don't agree with you, there's still so much to learn about different perspective and opnions backed with experience!
Thanks for this comment! There's definitely many different perspectives regarding this, and seeing a perspective that is different from mine is really enlightening.
Having to constantly be productive and make money 100% of the time is a horrible mindset that will lead to burnout and maybe even depression. Which funny enough might end up with coping using video games.
@@TheScientistAlbertEinstein If playing with little sticker covered boxes with a Bop-It button on his desk was so impressive, maybe he should have been making videos about them instead of crying about video games for a year straight.
You don't have to take my advice if you don't want to. The video is only really supposed to be targeted towards those who are struggling with a video game addiction, but I guess RUclips recommended it to everyone.
What really gaming do. Is that it remove your time if you put too much into it. I know video games are fun, but having a job give money. Doing farming give you food, but video game gives illusions of success. Yes, its a fun moment if you use it that way. But if you play like more then 2 hours a day.. It's harmful.
Interesting Video, I wanna start a debate on a few of your points tho if you're up for it
Right so, first off, idk why this is in my recommended, it was one of those "Here watch a small creator" things on my frontpage I guess.
I wrote down your points and am going to tell you whether or not I agree with them and if not, why
DISCLAIMER: Wall of Text
Something about me first:
I've been playing games since I was 8, was/still am big into MMOs and Esports Titles but recently started playing less and focusing on other things. I've been high ranked in Brawlhalla (+ coached players there) and Rocket League (+ played in tournaments and collegiate league + small amounts of coaching for lower ranked teams).
I'm currently in uni for CS and am working on the side as a programmer.
- Gaming = Instant Gratification while Life works totally differently
This really depends on the game, I don't think Elden Ring or Souls-Games have ever given me instant gratification. Neither did Esports games with a huge learning curve (Rocket League, Brawlhalla, LoL, CSGO in my case), you have to put in the hours and study to get the gratification of finally feeling like you're achieving something.
You also mentioned life goals are much harder to get compared to ingame rewards. I've spent ~800 hours on Brawlhalla to get to a High level where I was also able to coach people (Which I did for ~200 hours, not counting time outside the game chatting with students). In Rocket League I've spent ~4000 hours, but that also includes like 100 hours of coaching already. I don't think 4000 hours is instant gratification, it's something I've worked hard for, with a training routine, analysis and teambuilding
- Nothing left after turning off PC
I still have Prize Pool Money, the feeling of having achieved something, the Skills I've learned (fine motor control, quick thinking, reaction time, teamwork, communication, etc) and the friends I've made.
You mentioned you're playing Baseball. What happens when you stop playing Baseball? Do you have more left over than me? You also only have the Skills you aqcuired and friends you made left over (and the Bat you bought ig)
- Time Wasted - Gaming is an Addiction, not a Passion, just playing out of habit
What is Passion but the Habit of doing something you're interested in? What is Passion but the thing you'd want to do/think about all the time? Atleast that's how I see it. I have friends who are "addicted" (per your definition) to drawing, that's their passion. When they're bored, they draw.
- Can't stop playing -> Addiction
Partly agree, imo an Addiction is when you're supposed to stop, but can't.
So when you don't have anything else to do and you decide to play video games instead -> Not Addicted
When you SHOULD be doing smth else that's important, but you can't stop playing -> Addicted
- Games just there to make you addicted / Just there for dopamine
Agree with a lot of Esports Games and MMOs, they have many systems in place to make you keep coming back so that they can make you buy smth in the ingame shop or smth.
Singleplayer Games don't really have this issue a lot of the time. What is my reason to come back to Final Fantasy after finishing it? I don't have one except when I want to re-experience the game.
- Conclusion
I think there's a lot of points here where I don't agree with you, I hope my view on the topic was interesting for you. In the end whether or not someone wants to stop/continue Gaming really depends on the person. How addictive games are is also very different from person to person.
Personally, Gaming is a really big passion for me and also a social hobby since I am connecting with so many people that share the same interests as me. I've made many great memories and made many great friends (and kept up with old ones) through gaming which I'll never forget
Hi, thanks for this comment. Some of the points are potentially a bit controversial but the point of the video was to help those in need with a video game addiction, I guess the RUclips algorithm started recommending it to everyone so you might not be the target audience of the video. My perspective with gaming is that as long as you are not addicted, it doesn't really matter as long as you are in control of it. However, sometimes people are addicted to gaming but they fail to recognize that and that's when it becomes problematic. If gaming is something you enjoy, go ahead and play! Do be aware of the many risks that come with gaming addiction, though.
@@Extrode I see, yeah my RUclips loves to throw curveball videos at me lately. Normally I just click "Not Interested" and move on, but this one caught my eye lol
As an Addiction Prevention video, it is quite well made, but I feel like both title and a bit of the phrasing in the video isn't quite fitting then, since for most of the points, you talk like it applies to all games and everyone who plays them
I think a bit of differentiation is important here.
Totally agree with you tho, that Addiction is a major risk, but that goes for any hobby imo
Yeah I agree, the way I phrased things in the video definitely made it seem like it was targeted towards all people who played video games, which wasn't the intention but I guess it turned out that way. I'll definitely try to remove that kind of phrasing in the future videos. I think I phrased the video that way to help people who are potentially on edge of quitting gaming, but they aren't sure if it is right for them yet, so that is why it does seem a bit generalized.
@@Extrode Seems to be attracting people atleast, so that worked lmao
Good luck with your future content man!
Thanks!!
there is video game addiction. and there's online multiplayer addiction.
Yeah I've found multiplayer games to be much worse in general.
What an amazing and extremely valuable video 😭😭😭
Sorry if this video wasn't helpful.
@@Extrode Dude.. what?
I couldn't tell if it was sarcastic or something since I saw the crying emojis, I'm sorry about that.
@@Extrode Its tears of joy, im sorry but this emoji 😂😂😂 does not work even though its called tears of joy
Oh, I must have misinterpreted this emoji, sorry about that!
Incredible video Ex! If you ever want to catch up with all of us on cord, none of us really game anymore. I haven't been on Fort for three months. Most of us are focused on fitness, investing, work, etc, and it's become much more a server about self improvement and just talking with friends. Would love to hear more about how you are doing, love to see you doing so well.
Thanks!! That's great to hear. I hope everything is going well for you as well!
I've been twerking particle physics for 14 hours straight and at the first glance of this comment, I though he was your ex lol.
Lol what
Cool video bro
Thanks!
I do it to beat the boredom.
Boredom is a state of mind.
Yeah that's fair. Sometimes a bit of boredom is good to have though!
maybe don't mesmerize me with the rubik's cube if you want me to pay attention.
Sorry about that, it was just supposed to be background footage.
@@Extrode idk y but it was eye candy for me 😅
The reason "video game addiction" isn't understood by most people as you say in your description is likely because it's not actually real. Years ago when the WHO classified it as a mental disorder, a ton of psychologists and more objected, including the American Physchiatric Association. They said that video games aren't the addiction, they are the outlet. People "addicted" to video games are actually suffering through other things, like depression, and video games are a coping mechanism and not the issue itself. Literally any hobby you throw yourself into could then be an "addiction" if you do it an unhealthy amount as a way to run from your problems. Likely the only reason video games are singled out is the continued hatred video games get from idiots who want to blame the game instead of bad parenting or other real reasons like actualy mental health issues.
I'm not too clear on the classification from WHO, to be honest. There does seem to be a correlation with suffering through other things and video games, since a lot of people use video games to escape reality. To be honest, the classification of what video games are doesn't matter too much since the key should be to help those in need, and video games do get a lot of unnecessary hate for no reason.
Everything in moderation this goes for everything in life.
Agreed.
Yep, I do everything from crack, heroin and alcohol, in moderation.
I don't think video game addiction is something that exists, more of an escape to not deal with things you have in the inside (if it were an addiction you'd be tweaking and burning up in fever by the 2nd day of not playing anything) I agree sometimes the escapism of videogames is too alluring for people that have complex issues (I'm including myself in this) and may be an issue to some extent.
I've been a gamer since I was a little kid, having a gameboy advance as my first console and before that the snake game on the nokia. Been in love since then, I sometimes in my life have gone long periods of time and haven't missed gaming a single bit, there's just a general missconception about why videogames are so popular nowadays (Granting you stimulation while at the same time isolating you of the rest of things, that can be very attractive to people that are generally overwhelmed and overstimulated)
I appreciate this video even if I don't agree with you, there's still so much to learn about different perspective and opnions backed with experience!
Thanks for this comment! There's definitely many different perspectives regarding this, and seeing a perspective that is different from mine is really enlightening.
Wait bro how is Cubing not instant gratification 😂.
It sort of is, to be honest.
Got lots todo with programming, no need to sit infront of my pc without gaining money. Its so pointless.
Yup programming is a great hobby and skill to have!
Fun is never pointless.
If having fun without any monetary gain is pointless to you, please never have children.
@@99mage99 oops to late
Having to constantly be productive and make money 100% of the time is a horrible mindset that will lead to burnout and maybe even depression. Which funny enough might end up with coping using video games.
Nah, I don't take life advice from lets player grifters who transitioned from garbage games like Fortnite to playing with actual children's toys.
@@TheScientistAlbertEinstein If playing with little sticker covered boxes with a Bop-It button on his desk was so impressive, maybe he should have been making videos about them instead of crying about video games for a year straight.
You don't have to take my advice if you don't want to. The video is only really supposed to be targeted towards those who are struggling with a video game addiction, but I guess RUclips recommended it to everyone.
@@SuperScoopsW troll??
Wait what
Well, that's 15 mins of my time wasted. You had nothing significant to say.
Sorry if this video wasn't helpful.
What really gaming do. Is that it remove your time if you put too much into it. I know video games are fun, but having a job give money. Doing farming give you food, but video game gives illusions of success. Yes, its a fun moment if you use it that way. But if you play like more then 2 hours a day.. It's harmful.
Yeah, that's a great point. I really do see it that way, an illusion of success.