HF8 Haptic Feedback Seat Pad | Enter the NEXT LEVEL of immersion for Microsoft Flight Simulator!
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- Better than a ButtKicker? The new ''feel it'' haptic seat pad from Australian based NextLevel Racing is now out and available. Full review and set up guide, plus I take it for a test in VR in Just Flights wonderful Piper Arrow III. Great for both VR & 2D pilots.
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CHAPTERS:
00:00 Intro
01:16 Haptic?
02:13 HF8 Specs & Details
07:53 Software Set Up & Config
11:12 Test Flight in VR
20:55 Final Thoughts
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Hi all NLR have confirmed to me SU12 changed the way some of the telemetry data is used. Some may be having connection problems. A new beta is under test right now to correct these problems I was informed yesterday. Can’t get the software running?
Problems connecting. Try this..
1. Inside the HFS homepage, uncheck the "show installed" box
2. Navigate to the HFS Software settings and turn off "automatically detect current game”.
3. Close the HFS Software completely (including from the icon tray down the bottom right-hand side of the taskbar)
4. Start MSFS2020 and get into a flight using a default MSFS2020 aircraft
5. Once you are on the tarmac, start the HFS software from scratch and click on the MSFS2020 profile.
Want to check out the review for the Xbox? See here ruclips.net/video/54T30u6samY/видео.html
See my follow up video on alternative software here ruclips.net/video/hdz2FQDKOqs/видео.html
This does not work if you have the steam version of the game. The app does not recognize the steam version. Not good.
@@roadcyclist1 I am not aware of this, thanks for the heads up, use the freeware Simshaker software. Works very well.
@@roadcyclist1 I can’t put mine working. I bought after the review. I have MSFS2020 from Microsoft Store and doesn’t work. Anyone help?
@@roadcyclist1 checked with NLR. Does work with steam version. Make sure your connected to internet when first activating app.
@@roadcyclist1 Hi there, this is not true, the software will automatically detect the game regardless of version. The new update will address these issues (Version 1.1.2.7)
I’ve bought this within the first five minutes of watching your video I think your enthusiasm in the video done it for me
Me too!
I'm just about to place my order now
A year later and I just did the same thing. I'm going to use it with my Yaw VR motion simulator chair.
The aspect of sounds and touch slowly surface up a bit more adding to the immersion. Brilliant video! Gonna get this soon.
Excellent stuff! ..looked fun and immersive ,good to see you enjoyed it 😀
Thanks for the review
I've never seen you laugh so much Mark. How wonderful to see you having so much fun and you've convinced me to get one too. Thank you.
This sensory add on, which falls into the budget category, is great for both VR and 2D pilots. Pleasantly surprised and the HF8 will be a regular part of my flights in the future.
I have the Buttkicker, can not fly without it. So watching your review , excellent, there would be no advantage to use the two together?
@@michaelberthelot5038 technically there is no reason why you couldn’t. Best of both worlds 😊
Thanks for reply. I’m multi monitor and can’t afford frames loss. I was enamoured by your reactions when using this seat pad. I totally get the sensory add-on you speak about. I am going to take the plunge and get one. Will let you know my thoughts. Thank you again for you great work on your simhanger channel.
Alex
@@turbine.tv.1 look forward to your feedback! I’ll be putting out some profiles in the not too distant future. 👍
Thanks for your (as usual) excellent review. I've had a buttkicker since the early days of FS. Just ordered one, should get it Tuesday. Can't wait to see some of your profiles.
Cheers,
Steve
Thanks Mark! This is a very useful video. I appreciate your honesty and recommendation. Hopefully it will be available in my neck of the woods soon. 😊
Thanks for all the hard work you put into this channel Mark. Like others - I placed an order for the HF8 largely based on your review. So far its performing quite well. It will be interesting to see how the software develops to get the most out of the hardware. Simshaker could be another option if I manage to get it going. Cheers
Thank you, Mark, for this fun and enlightening review. I'm sold! I'll be purchasing my HF-8 _today_.
Thanks Mark, an excellent video and explanation/demonstration of a new feature bringing immersion to a another level. This one will definitely be on my bucket list!
Same here!
Great video Mark, ordered one arriving Tuesday 😀
Appears this is a must have with VR! Tks Mark. I enjoyed watching with your reactions! 😂 😂
😀
Thanks Mark, I have been thinking about a purchase, your review has been helpful in my decision.
Thanks Mark,
Your excellent demonstration makes me order the HF8 today!
I really liked your review. Based on what you had to what I saw in others, I decided to by this one. THAKS VERRY MUCH& Keep them coming.
Always Educational and Informative and Fun these videos Thank You
I just received mine yesterday and am still “setting up”. So far so good. Their software is limited a little and I have looked at Simshaker software for extra fine tuning… perhaps you could do a tutorial video on how to setup in MSFS…? Love your videos and you have made my Flightsim experiences so much better with Alpha, Bravo and VR etc etc tutorials. Thank you.
Thank you for this, I just ordered one.
Great video SimHanger! Couldn’t help laughing at your opening scene, all that chair needs is some wings :) great review.
Thanks again Mark! I’d love to hear you about this seat with a F-18 or airliner.
Thanks for the video and fun reactions! Will wait for your XBOX video before ordering
Enjoy watching yor channel. Thanks for the all experiences you share about fs2020.
I bought mine few weeks back and enjoyimg it a lot. I have hooked it to my Xbox series S. Although i dont have much management of the actuators that the PC users have I still found it worth the few hundred bucks I spent. I also bought hdmi splitter box for it as i found HF8 to be more responsive than connecting direct to the audio output of the joystick or Xbox controller.
Great review, keep up the good work
You explained it quite well Mark.
Enjoy your videos. A honest reaction video of the product. Will purchase.
Enjoyed your review planning on getting one.
Fantastic review thanks for sharing .
I made my own from a jet pad with electric motors ,I added airbladders inside the seat pad
Dave
Here’s the idea
ruclips.net/video/g4R7hXvzsJQ/видео.html
Dave
Good Stuff Mark. Very interesting.
Great and informative video man, and very honest also. Thankyou.
Sorry for the late reply, anyway thanks for all you`ve done. Yes the HF8 is like giving a Cat a bath :)) The Support back in Queensland is outstanding. I`ll wait until it matures a bit. All the best! Stef
This chair pad is very tempting to get. I like the way it looks as well. I wouldn't attach the control to my armrest as that is where I rest my arm but otherwise looks good.
Thanks Mark another great video and explanation with your honest opinion
Thanks 👍
Great video. Looks really interesting. I'm wondering if you could try it in some turbulence I would love to see what that is like.
Thanks for testing the airliners! :) :) :) - seriously though - good stuff!!! love it!!!
Hi Mark, great report. I went ahead and bought this product ($226 in the US). It is indeed a big immersion add-on. After a while you start recognizing little subtle differences. Like when the plane is working harder in an ascend, or under stress. I'm also trying to nuance using the different motors at different intensities for specific effects, to get even more feel out of it. Here is one thing I would challenge NextLevel Racing with: Different feeling for type of ground to taxi on (asphalt, grass, dirt).
I will report later on using this with the freeware simshaker software. Quite impressive so far!
Oh no! Just literally a day ago I was - after having to wait for so long - able to order my Velocity One Yoke..and thought this should be it.. Now I have to learn that the new "project" is just around the corner.. Oh well, guess I have to start saving money again.. 😉
Btw: thank you for this informative (and persuasive) video!! 👍
Excellent video as always. I Loved the flight and the controls are the velocity one I think? But the new force feedback system is sweet❤
Controls on show were the Honeycomb Alpha & Bravo.
Great video thanks! Will wait till they config for DCS
Very tempting, pricing on this seems reasonable, especially compared to its competitors. I have seen similar products that are twice as much.
Wow, Mark. What a great video. I see I need to make sure I'm a good boy so that Santa keeps me in mind for Christmas.
😂
Great video, as always! Keep up the great work. You're an inspiration.
I think you should try this haptic pad with a full motion simulator. What a ride that would be.
On order! Coming soon. 😊
@@SimHangerFS
Pricey but will consider if it works in ETS; ATS; and F1 2022 eh! Thanks Mark! Stay well!
Great review Mark, especially your first reactions! I wonder how this would compare to my SRS Haptic seat. 🤔
I don’t know, but would guess the feedback from the SRS unit would be more expansive and pronounced as it uses transducers etc. closer to the Buttkicker experience, the attraction of the NLR pad is its simplicity and just doing the basics well. 👍
Thank you.
The HF8 arrived today and the software is a bit hit and miss but I got it working. Your tip about closing it from the taskbar was invaluable, thank you! Unfortunately it doesn't work with the Astro One which I was really looking forward too and there is no real change in helicopters between idle and full collective, which is a shame. It's a lot of fun though and a great addition to my cockpit! Wonderful in the Spitfire but could do with more rumble at idle! (UPDATE - Use the Sim Shaker for Aviators software to get the most of your HF8 haptic pad, it is essential!!)
Yeah....The next haptic challenge will be the wind in the solo for instance so i am testing my leaf blower in msfs....Thanks again Mark!!
😂 brilliant!
Not a bad idea tbh, I actually did something similar and gives a ton of immersion! :)
well you've sold it to me , I only have 2D but a 3 x 32" 4K monitor set up .But I think it be great for Flight Sim and Car Racing games. Now I just have to sell it to the wife . My setups growing all the time just glad I have done it piece by piece as it now costs more than my old car lol
😂 this is not an inexpensive hobby!
The Winner Takes It All, thank you !
Hi Mark, flown with you once before & very interested in this device. Excellent video for me. It's seems well worth buying? Slainte, Con. Thank You, Mark ❤
I think my Buttkicker adds a lot but this looks much better. Thanks for a great review.
You can use them both together!
My Woojer West keeps doing the Job for almost 3 years 😊 but i realy miss a Buttkicker 😂
I have an important question, If I had to buy a yoke and throttle quadrant for the first time and not have to end up collecting different brands etc, which make/model would you recommend so I can get the best one on my first purchase? Your videos are absolutely top notch!
I have a ButtKicker and loved it! Have you tried the ButtKicker and HF8 together? I am thinking Hi Fidelity Sensory Input from the HF8 with the satisying thud of the BK. Great review especially for any BK owners - Thank you!
Very informative and enjoyable video as always! Thanks, Mark. One question: have you tried to use the Haptic Seat Pad together with ButtKicker? I can imagine the two devices would work very well together: BK produces very credible engine vibrations and the kick at touchdown, and the Pad adds all those 3D sensations, as you called them…
No not yet, but it is doable and a colleague on discord has done just that!
OK, for me, it's the Crystal! I pre-ordered back in Jan, so I hope I'm in the early delivery queue. Next, vid please run on a 30 series Nvidia card. Cheers!
From the time of your video when you quote approx £223 to my looking to buy one today, the price has increased to approx £268. Over £40, I think I'll wait. Didn't take them long to see an opportunity.
Thanks, Mark, that's a great review! Liked your 'wows!' when stalling etc, as that clearly conveys the immersion. Still, I can imagine that the impact of the HF8 is a bit bigger on GA planes since those planes are smaller and noisier. Did you try business jets or airliners too? I am curious to hear about your experience with such planes.
Not yet fully tested…but that will be coming up in a future video.
That's highly appreciated Mark! I have the Butkicker too, but as you mentioned, that's quite noisy, especially when other people in the house want to sleep 😀
It's my birthday today and my new HF8 arrived. Spent the last hr trying to get it running. Finally managed, so thought I'd try in VR but No!!! Can't seem to get it working at mo in vr but I'll keep trying lol
Happy Birthday 🎂. Should work in VR no problem, check your sound source in Windows.
@SimHangerFS I restarted my pc and the HF8 worked fine with the VR. My initial impressions weren't great but as I tweaked the settings I realised its actually pretty good. The flaps and landing gear actually feel like they are creating drag and slowing the aircraft :)
Great setup!
I am a big fan of your videos.
I am also a buttkicker user..
This is my first time seeing your very tidy sim-pit..
Question.. How do you use rudder pedals while sitting on a chair with castor wheels?
The chair is on a carpet and has wide castor wheels….it doesn’t move at all 😊
Can you imagine using this and buttkicker combined going forward, to capture the new 3D and old pronounced chunk or plonk?
They can work together with Simshaker 👍
This nonsense has been around for yrs, it just makes Simming creepy.
@@davewills6121I could not disagree more! Particularly in VR, the ButtKicker greatly enhances immersion (provided you spent some moments to set it up correctly with the SimShaker for Aviators add-in).
@@hanskrohn Same. Not sure what he is referring to.
Can thoroughly recommend.
I’m curious, if this would work in tandem with my haptic headset? I’m probably going to order in the next 10 minutes it anyway though. 😂 thanks for the your review. This company needs to be paying you!🤣
Great video - really enjoyed it! Could I just ask, is your Pico 4 better than the Q2 in MSFS2020?
I don’t have a Q2, but prefer it to my G2
Hey Mark, thanks for the video, interesting. I tried a competitor's product, similar to this, I think it was from somewhere over in eastern Europe, it was a friend's who let me have a try. I have also tried Buttkicker. The issue I had with the 'seat pad' was that it felt like the movement was being transmitted directly to points on my body, where the Buttkicker shook the entire chair, which I thought was far more realistic and immersive. Interested in hearing your thoughts about my observation if you wouldn't mind.
Valid comments, the Buttkicker is a very direct device, which if anything can overdo the vibration effect. Modern aircraft don’t shake and rattle that much arguably. The seat pad is far more subdued and subtle.
Hi Mark, I just bought it since you suggested it here on the channel, great product, which gaming chair should we use for this as many others complaint the two front left and right virbators are uncomfortable on some chairs, mine included, so need to upgrade to a gaming chair which would fit this one perfectly so it can be resessed somehow into the chair and does not give too much pressure on your legs if you know what I mean :-) thanks as always for your great videos
Recommend a chair that does not have ‘’turned up edges’’ on the seat and a foam based seat.
Hi Mark great review as per usual😊 just one question obviously there's vibration but is there less vibration into the floor as such than the butkicker?
Thanks again and well done..
Yes, it is the one thing I love about the pad, you feel the vibration but the noise level is next to nothing! If I am in my simpit no one can hear it 😊
@@SimHangerFS thank you 😊
Can you increase the intensity of the vibrations on landing? That and take-off, is when you really feel vibrations in RL.
Yes you can activate all spinners and dial it up to 100%. Still not as much as a Buttkicker though, it is a different experience. 👍
Already got a Jetseat.
Funny to see how SRS seems to be upping it's monthly number of Emails towards me for trying their product instead of this one. The HF8 haptic is certainly bringing some fire under their seats ;)
Hi Mark. I liked the video and it will be interesting to see your future updates using this haptic feedback seat. Maybe Jets and airliners? Also with a large amount of wind and turbulence?
You should arrange a visit with Steve VR Flight Sim Guy, as he has a similar seat but using transducers (U-Shake Haptic feedback seat pad by Sim Racing Studio) He did a review of this on 15 Dec 2022 if you haven't seen it. It would be very interesting to see a review from someone who had tried both.
The HF8 Haptic Feedback Seat Pad from NextLevel Racing is a lot cheaper than the Sim Racing Studio seat pad.
Maybe you will follow him by buying a DOF Reality H2 FULL MOTION RIG, which he currently raves about. An extra felling and another step towards reality maybe?
Hi Peter, motion rig review to follow as soon as mine arrives. 😊
I'm also curious to hear about the comparison results. Ahead of time though, I can say that simracer Karl Gosling did a (verbal) review on the HF8 and he was pretty underwhelmed, stating that the effects are laggy and less powerful compared to the transducer-based U-Shake6. I can imagine that effect lag plays a much bigger role when racing, compared to flying an airplane.
HI Mark - Thanks for the review...
Do you have any plans to do a comparative review of how it is to use with the XBox?
I'm very tempted... but just can't help thinking the experience based on the audio stream from the XBox is going to be much lower fidelity than the direct data feed available on PC...
Yes I will…coming soon!
Excellent video Mark. Certainly will consider if it works in conjunction with the Buttkicker too. Are there presets that come with it, GA, airliner’s and helicopter etc. or have you had to programme it all? Thanks as always.
Hi Brian, No reason it can’t work with Buttkicker, data is usb. No predefined configs unfortunately.
@@SimHangerFS thank you Mark. It worries me having to configure it. Of course I do have the application that I purchased for the Buttkicker. I’ll research a bit.
Just ordered one 👍🏻🙂
Sim shaker and SSA should improve things in terms of specific events flaps, gear and the like.
Thanks for the vid Mark.
Yes they do
Hi Mark. Thank you for the information. Can I ask, did you notice any perceptible FPS loss? Thanks in advance.
No I didn’t notice any impact.
Do you have FSRealistic yet ? I use the x plane version XPRealistic and works very well with a similar seat pad from Andre's Shop. Great Vids btw !
Yes I have and it is equally amazing in MSFS and with the HF8…great enhancement! 👍
Very nice video and the Haptic seat looks great, would you feel this offers anything for us 2D pilots over a ButtKicker??
It’s great in 2D & it is quicker and easier to set up than the Buttkicker.
Works great in DCS as well 😄
Oh…fantastic!
Thanks for the confirmation. I'm ordering one now 😉
I also bought HF8 aweek ago and couldn't find good setup HF level.
after I saw this i fly very realistic and enjoy it .
thank you very very much for this information.
how about showing us HOW to set it up for use with msfs2020 like how use a profile and how to activate the profile
This looks great! I have a ButtKicker but the cables and amp cause too much clutter for my set-up. Just looking at your VR frame rate it's so much smoother than mine (Virtual Desktop / Quest 3). Do you have any vids or recommendations for optimal MSFS settings for VR?
Check out my playlist essential VR in my channel plus VD settings
Can you imagine this along with a full motion seat (Yaw VR Pro, for example)? Either the immersion will be next level, or you will reach a point of diminishing returns.....(hopefully it would be the former).
I’ll know the answer soon…DOF Reality motion rig on order!
I have a motion platform, this and a BK FE with a 1000 watt amp. It’s amazing.
I took the pad apart and molded it into my sim chair. Now the chair looks and feels like a normal chair. You'd never know it has vibrators in it if it was turned off.
Thanks Mark. For the price, you shouldn't have to "supply" your own item to secure the controler down.
Literaly bought 2 these Dayton Audio BST-1 50 watts high power pro tactile bass shaker about 20 mins before your video went live. Do you thing the bass shaker and next level pad could compement each other? Or would there be a conflict of software?
They use a difference data point…audio and usb so should work together 😊
Great video as always, Sir. I have a buttkicker, but cannot use that much. Something with the setup not quite working for me. Do you think this is better? Also, what headset are you using?
Using the Pico 4 headset. It isn’t better, it’s very different. Personally I prefer it, but others may disagree.
Hello. I have a xbox x. Dont no if it works good enough ... what do you think?
Just ordered one after watching this... I wonder if you might give us your settings for a GA aircraft since you have tested and used it please?
I will get doing a video showing various profiles for different aircraft types in the not too distant future. Give me a shout on Discord and I'll drop the file for you :)
@@SimHangerFS Thanks Mark I have it on order so its going to be a couple of weeks to come so not sure if you will have a video out by then if not will give you a shout...Thank you al
Why don't you buy the new revision of the Honeycomb Alpha XPC? It has one big advantage over the old model, and a few nice little things.
What advantage?
Are you still pleased with the HF8? My Buttkicker amp has died on me and was thinking of getting one of these instead of an replacement amp. I loved your review of it.
Config is basic, but functional. Currently experimenting with SimShaker software.
Bought one yesterday.
Mark what version of GT omega chair did you use please.
Thank you very much for this informative video. I have a stupid question. Does it works with a wireless headset or you need to connect the jack on it ?
Only tested on PC, works with a wireless headset!
@@SimHangerFS Perfect, that’s what I hoped. Thank you very much 👍
Have you tried the motion platform that Steve ( VR Flight Sim Guy ) uses Mark, if so, how does it compare to this ?
No I haven’t, but one is coming. This does not compete with a motion platform…but would compliment it 👍
Another great review, Mark. Thanks so much. It's $230 USD at Amazon so I put it in my wishlist for now.
I was admiring your setup and though I also have the Honeycomb Alpha, I can't use it without my rudder pedals. I saw you also have the Turtle Beach pedals as I do. Unfortunately, I have hardwood floors and a chair with wheels. Pushing rudder pedals moves the chair back. I even tried a carpet but without success. The chair still moves. Locking casters are too much a problem (hard to reach and lock). Do you know if anyone makes an office or gaming chair (with wheels, of course) that have an easy lock mechanism for the casters. There is always a lever for height adjustment; just wished someone would invent one that locks the wheels just as easily.
Anyhow, thanks again from across the pond.
This is a bit basic but I use a 3/4 inch square length of timber (it was a garden stake) that fits between the gap in the casters. My chair stands on one of those vinyl carpet protectors which is quite slippery but the chair doesn't move when I am pushing against the pedals and is still easy to move when you get up. I only take the timber out when I need to move the chai to vacuum the floor.
My chair doesn’t move at all….the key is to use a carpet with a reasonably thick pile.
@@SimHangerFS Thanks. May try that again later. For now, if I use a carpet it has to be easy to clean up cat puke. 🙀
Hi Mark, I'm looking at buting a new chair so I can use the HF8, do you recommend the GT Omega?
Yes, it’s basic, but does the job admirably
Next step is a ejection seat 😀
PS: Can you stop your chair rotate and roll back?
Yes chair can swivel. It is on a carpet and does not roll back at all 😊
Need help please it dosen't matter what airplane i am selecting to fly it goes very slow on the run way because the throttle does not fully stay in, it keeps on popping backing out on its own
I keep on pushing the tjrottle in and it come right back out.Is there a way to fix that. I can not fly it it will roll on the runway
Turn off pilot auto assist functions in the assistance menu
Most people believe the feel of acceleration, of being pressed into their seats, comes from being pushed back by an increase in gravity, when in fact it comes from the accelerating aircraft pushing forward. I believe it's what's called "false gravity." It looks as if the HP8 takes full advantage of it.
I play all the sims or at least I have but right now I am into GT7.......not so much MSFS as of lately. I wonder If NLR will make it compatible with PS5. Might be a good idea? Any thoughts?
Not sure, but would be great if it did!
@@SimHangerFS I was about to delete my comment, found out it does work with play station.
Great option! I use 4 tactile transducers and this may be a terrific addon to create full spectrum vibes, especially with FSRealistic👍
I’m using it with FSRealistic now!
Have similar, which I like, as I can keep the comfort of my current seat.
Just ordered it from Amazon! Gonna use it in conjunction with my transducers setup. When or if ever my Yaw2 arrives it will be a great enhancement for it. You’re costing me a fortune Mark lol! 😊
@@kennykanada Which amazon did you buy from because amazon uk are about 100 euro more expensive that buying from next level themselfs
I received it in under 24 hours!! Gotta love Amazon. But after downloading their software, it doesn’t work. It doesn’t recognize or activate MSFS 😢
Can you feel the plane landing when in vr?